WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 22 August

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live mate.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for watching so much to get

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<v Speaker 1>to this evening, including a very big win in the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate today. Sadly it was the Greens yet again, the

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<v Speaker 1>tail wagging, the government being the puppy here. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to pay. I'll explain what that means in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got more inside details about what may would be

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<v Speaker 1>coming for the user Pay's age care system. And Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Hocke he took time out from not listening to Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton to talk to me. We'll have a chat to

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<v Speaker 1>him in a moment or two his time, but a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people seem to like that. I started the

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<v Speaker 1>show last night with a bit of good news, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'll continue on until the complaints come the other way.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm nothing but a servant here. Three bits of good

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<v Speaker 1>news before we get into everything else today. The hero

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<v Speaker 1>police officer from the Bondeau stabbings is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>honored this weekend as part of a wireder honoring support

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<v Speaker 1>and recognition of the emergency services in New South Wales

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<v Speaker 1>by the World of Rugby League. Now of course Bondo

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<v Speaker 1>Junction it is part of the Eastern Suburbs club the Roosters.

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<v Speaker 1>So she will be arriving Chopper and all with a

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<v Speaker 1>game ball and she'll be celebrated this weekend. Congratulations to

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Scott on that honor, and I hope that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>takes to their feet and gives her the welcome that

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<v Speaker 1>she deserves. Now, we haven't really updated much about the

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<v Speaker 1>United Kingdom since the riots from a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Well thankfully those riots have calmed down, but the incident

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<v Speaker 1>that is central. Two things getting out of hand was

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<v Speaker 1>the three little girls that were stabbed in England and

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<v Speaker 1>a police to say, well, not good news in any way,

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<v Speaker 1>shape or form. The news I want to bring you

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<v Speaker 1>tonight is that King Charles didn't just attend, didn't just

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<v Speaker 1>go to the memorials for them, but actually met with

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<v Speaker 1>the families, showing of course that they are not forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>in what has been a while few weeks where they

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<v Speaker 1>were largely forgotten because of some of the reaction and

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to anyone who was stuck on a roller

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<v Speaker 1>coaster today on the Gold Coast, but that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>happened today as people were hitting the peak and then

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<v Speaker 1>they were stuck. Life is a rollercoaster, a band I've

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten from the nineties once said the good news, they're off.

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<v Speaker 1>They're okay, now to the big stuff. Now. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter whom the politician is. But in this case, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to focus in on the prime minister. They say

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the same thing after every election, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>especially so when just a third of the country's primary

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<v Speaker 1>votes were for the party and the person who has

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<v Speaker 1>become our prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can promise all Australians this, no matter how

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<v Speaker 2>you voted today, the government I lead will respect every

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<v Speaker 2>one of you every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Really well. Of course we know that they have got

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<v Speaker 1>after the other third, the bit of people who decided

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for anyone but the government this time when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to the Liberal Party, and they have tried

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<v Speaker 1>endlessly to suggest that it's only the Liberal side of

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<v Speaker 1>politics that's evil, rusty, mean, weird.

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<v Speaker 2>What I see is his relentless negativity, all the carping

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<v Speaker 2>and the negativity to those offers of more negativity under

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton. Peter Dutton, another day, another bit of negativity.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've got to say world under Chris Kenny. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the one who watched this brought it to our attention.

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<v Speaker 1>I repeat what he had to say when he was

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<v Speaker 1>watching a debate in the Senate today because the reality

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<v Speaker 1>of somebody representing the government, somebody a shadow deputy minister

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<v Speaker 1>in the government, completely tells us the truth of what

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<v Speaker 1>they really think of you. Unless you are part of

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<v Speaker 1>their tribe, they turn on you. If you are somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who is openly antagonistic or questions what they do, they

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<v Speaker 1>come for your throat. Now we know that this Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister's gutless decision not to have a proper royal commission

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<v Speaker 1>or national inquiry into what happened in COVID is to

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<v Speaker 1>his eternal shame, because to this very day there are

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<v Speaker 1>people who are either still financially affected by lockdowns, the

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<v Speaker 1>failures when it comes to supporting our children that has

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<v Speaker 1>affected their mental health and their education, let alone the

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<v Speaker 1>traumas of absurdity that took place as people were forced

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<v Speaker 1>to wear head to toe protective clothing. Ppe Remember that

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<v Speaker 1>poor lady who had to wait for fourteen days before

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<v Speaker 1>she could go and see her father, Well, he of

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<v Speaker 1>course died without that contact. She had to be dressed

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<v Speaker 1>as if she was going into Chernobyl because that was

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<v Speaker 1>our attitude at the time. There were too many people

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<v Speaker 1>who died alone, and part of a Royal commission race

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<v Speaker 1>serious investigation into what happened would and should have concluded

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<v Speaker 1>that no human should ever die alone if their families

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<v Speaker 1>are willing to roll the dice to even potentially threaten

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<v Speaker 1>their your own health, to make sure that they can

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<v Speaker 1>hold the hands of those whom they love. My mate

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<v Speaker 1>Mark jessp Well, I've given you plenty of examples of

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<v Speaker 1>the story he told about his dad, who again was

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<v Speaker 1>put in one of these scenarios. Disgusting, unforgivable. So today

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<v Speaker 1>there was an attempt from some of the minor parties

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the more conservative senators to have a formal,

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<v Speaker 1>larger inquiry into COVID. Yet, of course this government that

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<v Speaker 1>claimed on day one that they would respect everyone, including

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<v Speaker 1>the people who didn't vote for them, well we all

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<v Speaker 1>know that's garbage. You're either with them or you're against them,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you're against them, bugger you. Perfect example, look

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening right now in regional Australia when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the rollout of the energy grid from the people

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<v Speaker 1>who wouldn't dare upset their doggie parks. But you have

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<v Speaker 1>to see your area change forever when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the rollout of tens of thousands of kilometers of cable

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<v Speaker 1>or tens of thousands of solo pans or wind turbines.

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<v Speaker 1>But more importantly, I want to introduce you to a

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<v Speaker 1>bloke that you may well not have heard of. Again, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>donder Chris Kenny for pointing this out. And he's the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why I'm talking about this right now. Well, tim As.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim As is that one of the Deputy Ministers for Trade,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's hardcore labor, he's hardcore union, and he decided

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<v Speaker 1>today this is what he said about the people who

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<v Speaker 1>want a proper inquiry into COVID. This man is a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a wellspring, a sort of fetted wellspring of

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<v Speaker 3>COVID conspiracy theorists, and some of them, some of them,

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<v Speaker 3>some of them in habit the benches over there. We

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<v Speaker 3>know that Senator Babbitt, we know that Senator Babbitt comes

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<v Speaker 3>from the outer reaches of some of the more kooky

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<v Speaker 3>conspiracy theorist views. We know that we know that it

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<v Speaker 3>is it is obvious one nation party have always sought

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<v Speaker 3>to manipulate these kind of these kind of conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 3>for their own purposes. That is that is well known,

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<v Speaker 3>and there is, of course, and always has been a

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<v Speaker 3>group of people in the community who you know, mobilized

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<v Speaker 3>by concerns about chemtrails or lizard people or fluoride conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think there should be a broad inquiry that

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<v Speaker 1>would investigate and presumably conclude, because it is so obvious

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<v Speaker 1>that kids should always go to school and unless there

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<v Speaker 1>is a natural disaster or an emergency playing out on

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<v Speaker 1>that school's campus, it should always be open and the

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<v Speaker 1>kids should always go to school. They're putting you in

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<v Speaker 1>with the lizard people people. That's the government that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to respect everyone, regardless of how you voted. This bloke

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<v Speaker 1>continues in an extraordinary rant. This wasn't a speech, this

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<v Speaker 1>was a rant. This again is a disgrace. You want

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<v Speaker 1>a proper inquiry into COVID. This is what they think

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<v Speaker 1>of you.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's there's always the pseudo scientific language, always the

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<v Speaker 3>sort of resort to things that sound important but aren't.

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<v Speaker 3>Always discussions about gene therapy is if something's really going

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<v Speaker 3>on here that is different, and you are always used

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<v Speaker 3>and if you can encourage people to believe this set

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<v Speaker 3>of conspiracy theories. It's part of the radicalization pathway that

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<v Speaker 3>is designed by people who sit at the heart of

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<v Speaker 3>these and sometimes people don't know that they have been

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<v Speaker 3>engaged in a radicalization pathway.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the wildest, dumbest stuff from the Twitter karens

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<v Speaker 1>back in twenty twenty that any and anyone who thought

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<v Speaker 1>anything other than what you were told by the Chief

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<v Speaker 1>Health Officer that somehow you're part of some dark, weird,

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<v Speaker 1>crazy conspiracy. Do I agree with every word that has

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<v Speaker 1>been said against every decision that was made of government?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course not. But if the choices are have a

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<v Speaker 1>proper open inquiry into COVID that would hold state governments accountable,

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<v Speaker 1>That would guarantee that our kids keep going to school

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<v Speaker 1>and no one dies alone because of something that since

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<v Speaker 1>everyone left the house, has claimed far more lives. Because

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<v Speaker 1>now we've all got to the position where people's attitudes

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<v Speaker 1>are completely different. It is outrageous that this bloke carried

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<v Speaker 1>on like this. But there's a third and final part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. And again, if you believe people shouldn't die

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<v Speaker 1>alone of COVID, if you're a person who thinks the

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<v Speaker 1>kids should go to school, if you're a person who

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<v Speaker 1>thinks that you should be able to have your small

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<v Speaker 1>business open because there's no other way to pay off

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<v Speaker 1>your home loan or to pay the ever increasing electricity

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<v Speaker 1>bills of this government. Then what's the term they use?

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently you're a cooker.

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<v Speaker 3>And I understand that is uncomfortable. I understand that people

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to hear it because they want the easy

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<v Speaker 3>ride in politics. They don't want to have to call

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<v Speaker 3>out extremism. They want to have to call out bad

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<v Speaker 3>behavior because it's so much easier to do the backslapping

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<v Speaker 3>and the she'll be right mate, and don't worry about that,

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<v Speaker 3>and to surf in on the support of some of

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<v Speaker 3>the nastiest extreme cooky elements in Australian politics.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not have enough words to describe all about

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<v Speaker 1>how offensive and how deliberately and intentionally antagonistic and disgraceful

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<v Speaker 1>that performance was. Now I get it, there'll be a

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<v Speaker 1>drinking game in his office. Aha, look at who we've

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<v Speaker 1>peede off today. How good is this? Don't worry about me, Powell,

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<v Speaker 1>worry about the hundreds of thousands of people who, once

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<v Speaker 1>they see this message, will see you and your government

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<v Speaker 1>for what you are, which are people who will crush

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who thinks what you have done is wrong. This bloke,

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<v Speaker 1>this government, and the media who ignored his behavior today

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<v Speaker 1>are all part of the problem. The problem being that

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<v Speaker 1>there should be accountability for the failures of that period

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<v Speaker 1>of time, not the first six months. We all didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what was going on. We didn't know whether the

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<v Speaker 1>blob was going to make its way from the hospitals

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<v Speaker 1>of Italy across our borders, and we didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>was going to happen. But we all knew where we

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<v Speaker 1>were six months in litt alone, multiple years later, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted absolutely clear kids go to school and people don't

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<v Speaker 1>die alone, and to be dismissed in the fashion of

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<v Speaker 1>which this bloke, this government, the people who report on it,

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<v Speaker 1>if you happen to be of a different view to them,

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<v Speaker 1>tells you everything about what they really think about you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't really care what they think about me. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the Senate today, business got a lot harder

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<v Speaker 1>for many Australian businesses. You see the Greens, well, they

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<v Speaker 1>got together with all of the usual suspects on the

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<v Speaker 1>cross bench today, like David Pocock, like Jackie Lamby like

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<v Speaker 1>the person who used to work with Jackie Lamby but

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<v Speaker 1>then broke away from Jackie Lamby, but nobody talks about

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<v Speaker 1>her failure to hold a team together. Don't worry and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>David Van google his name. And what some colleagues have

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<v Speaker 1>said in the past, Well they all got together to

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<v Speaker 1>launch a brand new program. It is referred to as

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<v Speaker 1>a mega deal in the Australian newspaper. Today we are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the Net Zero Economy Agency. Net Zero Economy Agency.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me read the description of what has just become

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<v Speaker 1>law in Australia. The bill makes it mandatory for companies

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<v Speaker 1>to disclose climate risks. The legislation captures all businesses with

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<v Speaker 1>a turnover, not profit, turnover of fifty million dollars or more.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, big companies. But still this is even as

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<v Speaker 1>farmers and the coalitions called for agriculture in particular to

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<v Speaker 1>be carved out of what is called Scope three reporting requirements.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll explain now what Scope three is, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>now the law of the land. Scope three includes emissions

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<v Speaker 1>along the supply chain, so you now become responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>the environmental impacts of people who are in your supply chain.

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<v Speaker 1>Not in your business, which are not directed, which are

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<v Speaker 1>not generated directly by a company within its fence line

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<v Speaker 1>or through its electricity consumption. Farmers who supply big supermarkets

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<v Speaker 1>and other large companies they will have to make climate

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<v Speaker 1>disclosures under the program have warned that their exports will

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<v Speaker 1>be consequently become less competitive. Now, of course this matters

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<v Speaker 1>because if you are going to pull in how much

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<v Speaker 1>you produce because of what the environmental consequences are, and

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<v Speaker 1>how much environmental consequences there are. When you put whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you grow, whatever you make, on the back of a

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<v Speaker 1>truck and the truck makes its way towards the port,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you've got to work out the environmental consequences

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<v Speaker 1>of the thing that takes what you are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>send to the other side of the world, be it

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<v Speaker 1>via ship or by plane. Well, of course you produce

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<v Speaker 1>less when margins are very thin at the moment. Producing

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<v Speaker 1>less will mean that you have less income. If you

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<v Speaker 1>have less income, your chance of turning a profit. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>of course it goes backwards. If the Australian dollar goes

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<v Speaker 1>lower than it currently is, then again what you are

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<v Speaker 1>exporting to the rest of the world. Again, all of

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<v Speaker 1>this comes into the calculations because the expectation then may

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<v Speaker 1>be that it might be good to export on one

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<v Speaker 1>hand financially, but bad to export on another because of

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<v Speaker 1>the environmental costs. This has passed the Parliament today. Of course, China,

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<v Speaker 1>who is often a destination for a lot of this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but of course is a place that exports an awful

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<v Speaker 1>lot of garbage to us. Remember they're a developing country,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that they have hosted two Olympic Games

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<v Speaker 1>so far this century, They've got a space station. They

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<v Speaker 1>of course are a developing country. And as they developing country,

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<v Speaker 1>they are allowed to continue to pollute multiple times what

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<v Speaker 1>Australia could even dream of putting into the atmosphere. And

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<v Speaker 1>they can keep surging until twenty thirty. And it's only

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty thirty that they will be measured. We are

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<v Speaker 1>being measured on two thousand and five. We are one

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the world's emissions. There are thirty. We are

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<v Speaker 1>fighting already with one hand tied behind our back because

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<v Speaker 1>of the costs of labor, the cost of transport, the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of electricity. But now the other hand is being

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<v Speaker 1>dragged behind your back. As the Washington Post said about China,

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<v Speaker 1>that China is close to its peak when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to emissions, but of course they don't want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it and they won't give us any of the information.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a deeply serious decision which has been made today.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't say that because I'm in denial of

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<v Speaker 1>climate change or don't understand that Australian needs to do

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<v Speaker 1>its bit about one percent of the world world's problems.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we have now made it harder for the

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<v Speaker 1>people who make things in this country to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to make more of them, to sell more of them,

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<v Speaker 1>to ship more of them, than we have made a

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<v Speaker 1>bad decision. But does that surprise you, Because of course

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<v Speaker 1>this decision is not influenced by anyone who produces. It's

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<v Speaker 1>influenced by the people who sit in the parliament and

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<v Speaker 1>preen and show off and think that everything just grows

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<v Speaker 1>in the shop. Nobody had to make it, nobody had

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<v Speaker 1>to import it, nobody had to try to export it.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody somewhere else to help subsidize the product. This will,

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<v Speaker 1>of course be, as I say, climate change denial. No,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this a very bad deal that we will

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<v Speaker 1>now be signed up to, and any attempt to change

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<v Speaker 1>it will of course be going back to the dark ages.

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<v Speaker 1>Well watch this space. When it comes to the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 1>He has been clobbered, absolutely clobbered for the past couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks. In question, the Government has been appalling in

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<v Speaker 1>the way that it has explained itself for dealt with

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<v Speaker 1>or not explained the situation revolving visas coming from wartorn

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the Middle East. Yet again, another day where

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<v Speaker 1>the parliamentary term has finished for a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 1>and the government was beaten black and blue metaphorically.

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<v Speaker 4>I refer to the government's issuing of tourist visas to

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<v Speaker 4>nearly three thousand people from the terrorists controlled Gaza war zone,

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<v Speaker 4>with nearly one thousand, three hundred already arrived in Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>Can the Prime Minister provide details on any concerns raised

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<v Speaker 4>by the New South Wales State Police or the New

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<v Speaker 4>South Wales Government regarding this matter?

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<v Speaker 5>Prime Minister, will individuals currently in the terrorist controlled Garsa

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<v Speaker 5>war zone who have already been granted a visa by

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<v Speaker 5>this government be subject to face to face interviews or

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<v Speaker 5>biometric checks before they arrive in Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>My question is to the Prime Minister how many people

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<v Speaker 4>from the Gaza war zone has Qatar accepted.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, no questions, with no answers whatsoever, instead just spinning

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<v Speaker 1>wheels and pretending that there's the opposition that has the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>not the government being held account for its actions. Now

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<v Speaker 1>nine times out of ten, the press gallery, as I

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<v Speaker 1>so often talk about, they just swallow the labor line.

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<v Speaker 1>They run the labor line, thankfully. Every now and then

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<v Speaker 1>there are some examples of the truth pushing through, like

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Riley did a couple of nights ago on.

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<v Speaker 5>Seven correct question how many of the two nine hundred

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<v Speaker 5>visas from Gaza have been canceled?

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<v Speaker 1>It's an indirect answer.

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<v Speaker 2>We take the same advice from the same security agency.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course there are plenty of people that are

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<v Speaker 1>willing to be the praetorian guard around their preferred Prime

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<v Speaker 1>minister and their preferred government. Seemingly one of those would

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<v Speaker 1>work for the Channel nine newspapers. It's not just my view,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the view, of course, of Peter Dutton about a

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<v Speaker 1>blow called David Crow. When Murferou, the old Guardian journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>joined the Prime Minister's office to become a spin doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton decided and couldn't help but say that the

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<v Speaker 1>real outrage was that David Crow missed out what more

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<v Speaker 1>must he do to prove his credentials to be formally

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<v Speaker 1>employed by the Labor Party, And that has seemingly never

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<v Speaker 1>been truer than what happened in the past couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, one of the lines of defense of those

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<v Speaker 1>that have no defense for their actions was to pretend

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<v Speaker 1>that this is just a small issue, that nobody cares

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<v Speaker 1>about it whatsoever, That there isn't baked into the DNA

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<v Speaker 1>of Australia a love of its borders, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>protect its culture, an awareness of the multicultural nature of

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<v Speaker 1>our country. But the point being that there must be

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<v Speaker 1>a system of processes that mean that you're able to

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<v Speaker 1>get here, and only the people who fit the highest

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<v Speaker 1>standards are the ones who end up coming here. Now again,

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<v Speaker 1>why am I talking about this bloke? Because this was

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<v Speaker 1>the defense from the Labor Party when they were getting

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<v Speaker 1>beaten senseless metaphorically in the Parliament this week. Beggars belief.

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<v Speaker 6>When this is the main game right around Australia, that

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<v Speaker 6>those opposite can't manage to ask even a single question

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<v Speaker 6>about the cost of living pressures that people are confronting,

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<v Speaker 6>not one idea about fighting inflation, not one policy for

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<v Speaker 6>the cost of living.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you see a version of that. There were many

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<v Speaker 1>versions of it that were there turned up in the

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<v Speaker 1>analysis section of the person who's also the straight news

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<v Speaker 1>journalist in the other part of the paper. Tell me

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<v Speaker 1>how that works. But still Dutton is placing all these

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<v Speaker 1>bets on an issue not crucial to voters, because you

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<v Speaker 1>see they're pretending nobody anywhere is talking about what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the Middle East. And if you are,

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<v Speaker 1>it's only kind of five percent of the country. No,

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<v Speaker 1>the extreme majority of Australians have opinions about our borders.

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<v Speaker 1>Every poll, every time tells us this. How he holds

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<v Speaker 1>water for the Labour Party. Here is the big question

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<v Speaker 1>for the coming election is whether this will matter. Will

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<v Speaker 1>this relentless focus on Garza work for Dunton, Will it

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<v Speaker 1>help Green's leader Adam band or will it help the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister Anthony Ibnezi appeal to Australians with a moderate message.

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<v Speaker 1>See again see the sales pitch there. Oh, the craziest

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<v Speaker 1>is to the left of the crazies. To the right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the man in the Middle who's oh so reasonable,

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<v Speaker 1>the man of the Middle who can't answer the yes

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<v Speaker 1>no question, the yes no question about the support of

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<v Speaker 1>a terrorist organization extraordinary right. So while there will be

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<v Speaker 1>no professional consequences, no doubt because of even my criticism,

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<v Speaker 1>you know he'll be named Journalists of the Year and

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<v Speaker 1>get lots of awards. Remember, David Crowe also has to

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<v Speaker 1>write the stories about the opinion polls. It is own

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper like this one that shows that when asked, fifty

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of people think the moderate Prime Minister his

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<v Speaker 1>performance is poor or very poor. The issue is not

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<v Speaker 1>about the Middle East. The issue is about borders, protecting

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<v Speaker 1>the borders and maintaining the standards of who gets to

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<v Speaker 1>cross them to join us here in the greatest country

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<v Speaker 1>of all And as I have said a thousand times before,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have to say for one thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are those that will deliberately and intentionally misrepresent

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<v Speaker 1>as I have said, as I have caused great offense

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<v Speaker 1>to some people. It is very obvious that Australia has

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<v Speaker 1>a refugee program and from all parts of the world

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<v Speaker 1>and all conflicts of the world, if people meet the standard,

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<v Speaker 1>then they are accepted into our country. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of our refugee system, the idea that those people

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<v Speaker 1>should somehow have different types of checks depending on where

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<v Speaker 1>they come from. Yeah, people do have an opinion on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Meantime to the age care side of things here, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was some pressure that has finally been put onto

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<v Speaker 1>the government to actually tell us what is going on here,

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<v Speaker 1>What is going on when it comes to aged care

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<v Speaker 1>and user pays and how much more will people have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay? And who is going to be declared rich?

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<v Speaker 1>Will it be the amount of money in your bank account,

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<v Speaker 1>your super the value of your house, All of this

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<v Speaker 1>matters well. Jim Charmers was approached and asked about it

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<v Speaker 1>today and according to news dot Com that I you,

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<v Speaker 1>he was mum on the issue, simply saying nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>Obviously, we've been really focused on really cognizant on the

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<v Speaker 6>anxieties that people might have about changes in aged care.

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<v Speaker 6>In my view, it's not tenable, it's not viable to

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<v Speaker 6>continue the current system the way that it is forever.

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<v Speaker 6>When we have more to say about aged care reform,

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<v Speaker 6>obviously a big part of that will be being upfront

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<v Speaker 6>with people about what we're asking of them and what

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<v Speaker 6>the transitional arrange TAMS would be to assuage some of

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<v Speaker 6>those concerns that you raise.

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<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah. The exception to the rule of the press

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<v Speaker 1>gallery is Philip Curry. I'm sure it brings him and

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<v Speaker 1>others great delight that I cite him as a good

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<v Speaker 1>example of bloke who literally does call the balls and

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<v Speaker 1>strikes down in the middle. He's been leading the reporting

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<v Speaker 1>about what's going on inside this age care situation and

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<v Speaker 1>telling us about what's being negotiated while it's being negotiated,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than just turning around whether you take it or

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<v Speaker 1>leave it attitude this government normally as now, remember a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days ago we told you the Australian Financial

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<v Speaker 1>Review has revealed in the past that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>proposals that was put to the opposition was a lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>contributions cap going from seventy six thousand to more than

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand dollars above that number to now one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety thousand dollars. The cap would be abolished altogether. However,

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to home care, so if there's no cap,

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<v Speaker 1>then yes, you could be eventually bled financially dry if

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<v Speaker 1>you decide to stay at home for as long as

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<v Speaker 1>possible trying to have the home care package. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>this has consequences. That's why this should remain front and center.

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<v Speaker 1>Will They had an updating to his reporting which came

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<v Speaker 1>through today, saying that age care wait list exemptions will

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<v Speaker 1>be granted as parties close in on a deal, so

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<v Speaker 1>all of this only kicks in once you get into

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<v Speaker 1>a place or you get a package, not what you

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<v Speaker 1>are waiting for it. He claims that the major parties

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<v Speaker 1>have got to some sort of a deal when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the funding model. On Wednesday, sources on both

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<v Speaker 1>sides confirmed in principal agreement have been reached on Chapter

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<v Speaker 1>four of a new Age Care Act, which contains the

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<v Speaker 1>funding reforms under which those entering care will have to

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<v Speaker 1>quote pay a bit more for their care, while home

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<v Speaker 1>care recipients will pay more for services those with the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest means the financial the family home excluded. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you've got significant amount of super significant amount of shares,

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<v Speaker 1>significant amount of money in the bank, you will have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay a lot contribution if you choose to stay

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<v Speaker 1>at home. There'll be no cap Wait. Watch, There's plenty

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<v Speaker 1>more in this story, and we will continue to keep

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on it, even though there is not an

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<v Speaker 1>awful lot of TV pict just to throw around it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know how much you care because it's all

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<v Speaker 1>of our lives that they're filling and playing with currently

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<v Speaker 1>behind closed doors. So as you know, the Democratic National

0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Committee coming to a close in the next twenty four hours.

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Obama in a pantsuit. Sorry, Kamala Harris will of course

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 1>take to the stage to become the new Queen of Friedel.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the endless themes of the Democratic National

0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Committee is that if you vote blue, you're better than

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>the evil, bad, nasty Orange man.

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<v Speaker 7>Their Project twenty twenty five will make things much, much

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 7>harder for people who are just trying to live their lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump is like an old boyfriend, well you broke

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 3>up with, but it just won't go away.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's talk about Project twenty twenty five, Donald Trump's

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 2>roadmap to ban abortion.

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>In all fifty states. Now, this is a very deep

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<v Speaker 1>cut for people who spend way too much time on

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>the Internet or way too much time watching lefty television.

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Project twenty twenty five is put together by a think tank, yes,

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 1>of a lot of people who used to work in

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration who would have a hope of being

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 1>in the next Trump administration. But Donald Trump himself has

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 1>said that's not me. I'm not doing it. And isn't

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>it amazing that the very same party that's trying to

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 1>tell you that Kamala Harris used to believe all of this,

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>but now she believes all of that, thinks that rule

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>only applies to them. Trump has said it's not happening.

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Yet they just keep on pounding away. But again, the evil,

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 1>the nastiness, the heartlessness, the carelessness of Donald Trump. Well

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>today he was holding a rally, but for the first

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>time since he was shot, he did so out in

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>the open. You can see all that plastic glass that

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>was around him. Well, this bloke who apparently is so

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 1>nasty and it's all about him. Now, remember he was

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 1>shot at the PTSC that any of us would feel

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 1>in that situation. He didn't hide behind the glass. Yes,

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>he delivered the speech, but then when a person at

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the rally collapsed, look what he did. He left the stage.

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>The security would have clearly freaked out at the moment,

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 1>and then he gave the lady a cuddle. I mean, honestly,

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>think about think about that, right if any of the

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Dems any and God forbid and knowing no never never

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 1>never never never, right, but if somebody has been shot

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>at and they've got all the bullepoof glass around them,

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 1>imagine the stones to not just not be afraid to

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>go back and put your head into the the lion's mouth,

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>but then to walk away from the protect. Unbelievable stuff.

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 1>All right, the fight, fight, fight, you saw when the

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>blood was coming down his face is still there to die.

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>But also can I call that again? Some bas from

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the Democratic National Committee, they constantly talk about dimefod for

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Trump because that would be going backwards.

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 7>Let us choose optimism over cynicism, because that's.

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 8>The best of America.

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 4>And let us choose inclusion over retribution.

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Let us choose common sense over none.

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 7>Since we got seventy six days, that's nothing.

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 1>There'll be time to sleep when you're dad. That's how

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 1>we'll turn the page on Donald Trump.

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 9>When Kamala Harris as president, every day will begin with.

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>You, you, you, you. But every single day of the

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 1>convention has been the greatest hits. Bill Clinton has been

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>addressing the Democratic National Convention for forty years. Joe Biden

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>was front and center of Democratic politics for fifty years.

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Obama's first speech was twenty years ago, and these were

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the headline acts on all of the nights. And then,

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of course there was Michelle Obama, who's the greatest of

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>all time because her greatest achievement during the eight years

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 1>of the White House was a vegetable garden. And I've

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 1>got to say, I'm sorry. I know, way more popular

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>and people love and I'm about to get flamed on

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 1>the internet, but someone's got to say it. How does

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>she have the internal strength to say this? She and

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 1>my father didn't aspire to be wealthy.

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 4>In fact, they were suspicious of folks who took more

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 4>than they needed.

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Took more than they needed. She was brought up be

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>suspicious of people who take more than they need. This

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>is the lady with not one, not two, not three,

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>but four mansions, four mansions. This is apparently the main

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.719
<v Speaker 1>place they live in a place called Martha's Vineyard. And

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 1>remember when a legal immigrants turned up there, Well, they

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>got turned away quickly. You wouldn't want to spoil the

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>view would you die? But most likely the most important

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>thing that will happen in the next twenty four to

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours is that Robert Kennedy Junior will give

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>up his quest for the presidency. Now every pole is

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Toolesey is no chance of flipping a state, let alone

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 1>winning the presidency. His vice presidential candidate said yesterday on

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>the Internet and today on Fox News that they have

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>a choice, and the choice most likely is to team

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>up behind Donald Trump.

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:49.040
<v Speaker 8>It's Bobby's decision. I came into this supporting him wholeheartedly

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 8>to win the selection, and I have to say there's

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 8>only one party that has obstructed a fair election for us,

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 8>and unfortunately it was a Democratic Party. They've done everything

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 8>they can, including creating packs, to prevent us from being

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 8>able to have ballot access.

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Now, while nationally not a big story, in the seven

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 1>states that matter, it's a massive issue because previously, when

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 1>it was Biden, about sixty forty percent of their support

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>was coming from Democrats. Now most of that vote went

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 1>back to the Democrats, So now it's sixty forty people

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 1>who most likely would end up going for Trump. So

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 1>in states where Harris is leading by less than a

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>point five points up for grabs is going to help Trump.

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>The same in Georgia with four six points in Michigan,

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 1>In Nevada, he could put his foot down and put

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 1>it away. In North Carolina, a tie would quickly become

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 1>a Trump lead. The same in Pennsylvania, in Wisconsin and

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>so many other places. So watch this space. All of

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 1>that tomorrow. But of course, the great pants Obama and

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>pants I don't care, I do not care. Betting markets,

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 1>by the way, is still in favor of Trump. It's

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>only middle of August. We'll see what happens next week,

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 1>next month. But right now, game on. Speaking of quick

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>break back with more, Who's the winner and loser of

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the week. We'll crown one in a second, and then

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Joe Hockey in Chicago, and we talk about the real deal,

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 1>not the spin, no knocking around. Let's get to it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Plenty to talk about, with the wonderful Michael Kroger joining

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 1>us from Melbourne in the man Cave right now is

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Eily Die, of course, from the Center of Independent Studies.

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Hello do you both, Michael. I'll start with you. David

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Crowe claims that the focus of the past couple of

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.440
<v Speaker 1>weeks is on a minor issue nobody cares about. But

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:41.839
<v Speaker 1>he is gas lighting about what the past two weeks

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:45.280
<v Speaker 1>has been about. It has not been the obsessive extreme

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 1>minority who are deeply and front and center involved. It's

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.360
<v Speaker 1>about the border and everyone cares about the border and

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:56.399
<v Speaker 1>Australians have been very clear since two thousand and one

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 1>what their position is on the border. So let's deal

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 1>with this narrative game that's being played out of the

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>press gallery. Yeah.

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 7>Mate, I think David's unfortunately suffering from the Canberra bubble syndrome.

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.400
<v Speaker 7>It's the worst type of affection for journalists to catch,

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 7>and it's basically that syndrome, which is when you're in

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 7>Canberra for too long and you only talk to Canberra

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 7>based journalists, particularly those in the Fairfax Press and the ABC,

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 7>you are a world away, a world away from what

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 7>people in marginal seats in the suburbs around Australia, particularly

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 7>rural Australia, are thinking. And I can tell you this

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 7>issue is a light across the country and people are appalled,

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 7>they're shocked. Labor supporters are profoundly disappointed at Albow. Everyone

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.720
<v Speaker 7>else is just appalled. No, I don't think David's reading

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 7>the room right, and in any case, I'm sure don't.

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 7>We'll get back on to cost of living in due course. David,

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:51.760
<v Speaker 7>I don't think he's going to run this to the election.

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 7>But in the meantime, this issue is an issue of

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 7>profound importance to Australians. They have no idea what's going on.

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 7>And while Beneath has done this, and while we've taken

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 7>six times more than any other country in the world, well.

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>And also Emily, the reality is that that again, you

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 1>can have whatever views you have about the conflict, the situation,

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.320
<v Speaker 1>the future, that part of all of that stuff, right, Yeah,

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 1>but it can be completely divorced from the conversation about

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>the process in which people come into the country. And

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 1>I think that it is again gas lighting is the

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 1>only word I can keep using here to pretend that

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 1>that's not what this conversation is. That is what they

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>have asked questions about for two weeks straight.

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I mean, I think the focus on this has

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 10>been quite intense and probably a bit unhelpful for the

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:41.360
<v Speaker 10>Liberal Party and for the coalition. I think there's a

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 10>huge generational divide on this on this issue, and that

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 10>gen Z voters are said, well, why not, like, why

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 10>aren't we looking but letting them in. They're looking at

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 10>their social media feed, They're seeing those images and are

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 10>looking at it from a very different perspective than a

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 10>lot of your older voters and the voters that Michael's

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.319
<v Speaker 10>references in the suburbs. I think that these people, that

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:05.839
<v Speaker 10>the younger voters, are going to be further alienated from

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:07.759
<v Speaker 10>the Liberal Party if it continues down there.

0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:11.399
<v Speaker 1>So you don't think that there's the capacity to two

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 1>things to be true at the same time. But again,

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 1>younger voters can see what's happening, right, Yeah, absolutely see

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 1>what's happening, but also understand that you have to have

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>an immigration process that has a series of controls in it.

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 10>Oh. I think that younger voters can understand that, and

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 10>I would fully support of it. Let's bring in refugees absolutely,

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 10>we should also absolutely have those checks and should be

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 10>very careful and we should expect integration. It's something that

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 10>my colleague Peter Curty has been talking about quite a bit.

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 10>Is you come to Australia, you need to join the community,

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 10>hold to Australian values and be productive members of society,

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 10>which I hope and I think that a lot of

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:51.760
<v Speaker 10>these people will be grateful to Australia and will respond accordingly.

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Correct, Let's talk about the age care stuff because Michael, again,

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>this is all being worked out behind closed doors, and

0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, when it's bipartisan it's either absolutely necessary nation

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 1>building stuff or dirty deal. Let's both agree not to

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>blame each other because we help fix the bigger problem. Now.

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I know the change in a lifetime cap for people

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 1>who go into age care, Okay, it's very big, changing

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:17.759
<v Speaker 1>from sort of the high seventies to one hundred and

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 1>ninety thousand. But the idea that there may will be

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:23.279
<v Speaker 1>no lifetime cap for people staying in their homes, this

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:27.359
<v Speaker 1>is going to be very big. But what both sides

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 1>are going to sign offident So therefore we can't talk

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>about it no way.

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 7>I would think that's unlikely, mate, I would think that's unlikely.

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 7>There's got to be a cap. I mean, you can't

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:39.840
<v Speaker 7>have you can't have an uncapped scheme like this. I

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 7>mean people have got to know what they're going to

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 7>be up for. And look, I gather the coalition and

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 7>pushing for a couple of things. One is to say

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:51.320
<v Speaker 7>that there does have to be grandfather. If you're watching

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:53.319
<v Speaker 7>tonight and you're in a home or your parents are

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 7>about to go into home on a waiting list, and

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 7>they've already made a pre commitment, you have the grandfather

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 7>those people. You can't change the rules on someone who's

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 7>already in an age care facility. That would be completely wrong.

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:07.880
<v Speaker 7>So we're talking about a situation which is only going

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 7>to apply going forward. Is everyone going to have to

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 7>pay a little more, Yes, everyone is going to have

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 7>to pay a little more, but there's got to be

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 7>a cap mate, and I think ultimately they're going to

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.400
<v Speaker 7>have to reach a situation where there is a lifetime

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 7>cap because uncapped schemes for people are paying out their

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 7>own pocketticularly when they're elderly, that ain't going to work

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 7>in this country.

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, I look absolutely, which is why I keep talking

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 1>about it. Right, this is not this an issue where

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I've never more hoped to be wrong. But I'm following

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the reporting that is again not telling us that that's

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 1>currently on the table. We'll wait and see together that. Emily,

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 1>let's make the most of your experience with the CIS,

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.879
<v Speaker 1>and particularly when it comes to gm Z and their

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 1>attitudes when it comes to corporate activism, the assumption from

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<v Speaker 1>those of us that are not as across it as

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<v Speaker 1>you are in your learned fashion is that because the

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<v Speaker 1>younger employees are more socially active and therefore they demanded

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<v Speaker 1>in their bos. Is it true.

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<v Speaker 10>Absolutely not. We looked at the data and we asked

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<v Speaker 10>about a bunch of young people what they thought about

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<v Speaker 10>corporate activism, and it was a pretty tepid response. Yes,

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<v Speaker 10>gen Z is the most aware of corporate activism. Yes

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<v Speaker 10>they're most aligned with it. But they're also the people

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<v Speaker 10>that are leaving organizations and droves because of it. Really, so,

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<v Speaker 10>we've got, particularly the more moderate gen Z and millennial voters,

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<v Speaker 10>they are leaving businesses because they're feeling so alienated by

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<v Speaker 10>this activism, and rather than pushing their employers to get

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<v Speaker 10>involved in corporate activism, they feel that they themselves are

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<v Speaker 10>being judged on that activism that's coming out of companies.

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<v Speaker 10>About half of them think that they're not judged solely

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<v Speaker 10>on their merit, but on their ability to toe a

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<v Speaker 10>politically correct corporate line.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascinating stuff. Center of Independent Studies website. I'll make sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's up on our socials. Congrats, right, Mirkael just before

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<v Speaker 1>we go. We could do winnows and loses, but I

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<v Speaker 1>really want to ask you about David A Andson. He goes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think next year his tenure at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the ac give me the thirty second exit interview.

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<v Speaker 7>I welcome David's departure. I think he was completely ineffectual.

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<v Speaker 7>As I've said before, he was just a cork bobbing

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<v Speaker 7>in the ocean. He wasn't running the organization. He was

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<v Speaker 7>following the organization. And let's just hope the board can

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<v Speaker 7>appoint someone who's going to adhere to the ABC charter,

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<v Speaker 7>which is fair and impartial in the gathering and delivery

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<v Speaker 7>of news and current affairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Look if they can find a way so that Laura

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<v Speaker 1>Tingle can both be on television and running it, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that's what they'll probably conclude, or something like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, mate, do appreciate it. Thank you, Emily. In

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, Joe Hockey from the United States live from

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<v Speaker 1>that Democratic Convention. One day to go, A barman in

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<v Speaker 1>a pant suit coming soon to a TV New Years.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's one person I love talking about American politics with,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a man who well knows it like the back

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<v Speaker 1>of his hand, not just because he's deeply interested across

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<v Speaker 1>all of it. Knows plenty of people in the US

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<v Speaker 1>works in the United States, but course was our former ambassador,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm pleased to say he's my friend. Joe Hockey

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<v Speaker 1>joins us from the Democratic National Convention. Great man, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the feel like? You know? I keep hearing that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is an amazing party and all the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But aren't all of them exactly the same every four

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<v Speaker 1>years where they all think that they're about to win

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<v Speaker 1>and win big.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm tempted to agree with you, but I can't this.

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<v Speaker 9>There is a high level of enthusiasm here, Paul, and

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<v Speaker 9>part of it is relief that Joe Biden is no

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<v Speaker 9>longer the candidate. That's been a big issue for the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 9>He got to the point where he was unelectable against

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<v Speaker 9>Donald Trump, and so a lot of Democrats are relieved

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<v Speaker 9>that he is not the candidate. But there's also a

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<v Speaker 9>level of enthusiasm, to be honest, for Carmala Harris. And

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<v Speaker 9>you can't you can't dismiss that because she's had all

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<v Speaker 9>the firepower come out, including who's speaking now, Clinton. But

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<v Speaker 9>the Obama's Joe Biden himself. But we still haven't heard

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<v Speaker 9>from the candidate, and I think there's a long way

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<v Speaker 9>to go on this election campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree completely. I mean literally, you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the betting markets today, it's Trump. Just you look at

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<v Speaker 1>this pole aggregator, it's heard. Just you look at this

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<v Speaker 1>pole aggregator, it's him. Just Nate Silver says, anything that's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of between fifty five and forty five is a

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<v Speaker 1>coin flip. But I wanted to put it to you

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<v Speaker 1>more so this way. Right. If it's about the economy,

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<v Speaker 1>he wins. If it's about abortion, she wins. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>about the past four years, he wins. If it's about

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<v Speaker 1>Obama and a pantsu, she wins. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>it's about?

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<v Speaker 9>It's cost of living. It's got to be cost of living.

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<v Speaker 9>That's a number one issue for everyday Americans. And the

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<v Speaker 9>number two issue is a legal immigration and you can

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<v Speaker 9>feel it everywhere right across America. This isn't just about

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<v Speaker 9>the southern border. It's about people and stealing jobs and

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<v Speaker 9>there is. They are the two big issues, and Donald

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<v Speaker 9>Trump is leading on them. The problem is and it

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<v Speaker 9>frustrates me, and I know you've interviewed Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>I know Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 9>I really wish he would get back to dealing with

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<v Speaker 9>the issues rather than running commentary on the color of

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<v Speaker 9>Harris's skin or you know, whether all the various conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 9>The bottom line is, if he talks about costs of

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<v Speaker 9>living pressures, if he talks about illegal immigration, he will win.

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<v Speaker 9>If he talks about everything else, he will lose.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's interesting again, you have a look inside the numbers, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Her unfavorable number is forty seven percent. His unfavorable number

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<v Speaker 1>is sixty percent. Right, so we know if it's about

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<v Speaker 1>who do you want to have dinner with all the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of it, I know I would choose Trump, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>but generally speaking, we know where that's going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>But why do you think he's not able to laser in.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that in his muscle, in his DNA. You

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<v Speaker 1>know he's ready for the fight with Biden. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>to let it go. But also when you're leading on

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<v Speaker 1>the issues and you need to start to close the deal,

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<v Speaker 1>to put a little bit bit of cushion right to

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<v Speaker 1>break some of that hope that people can can hear

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<v Speaker 1>hearing behind you right now? Why do you think he's

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<v Speaker 1>lacking this ability? Does he not have the same people?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he just a little bit older? Is he sort

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<v Speaker 1>of frankly not as fired up.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, the thing about Donald Trump, which is the most

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<v Speaker 9>valuable commodity and politics anywhere in the world in twenty

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<v Speaker 9>first century, think about Donald Trump is he is authentic.

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<v Speaker 9>He drifts away even privately, when you have a conversation

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<v Speaker 9>with him. He'll go from topic to topic to topic

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<v Speaker 9>to topic in a very short order. And you know

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<v Speaker 9>he's got a very active brain. He's got a curious mind.

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<v Speaker 9>But you can't meander when you're speaking with people, when

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<v Speaker 9>you're trying to cut through message, and his speeches are

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<v Speaker 9>a boring and turgid at the moment, he's lacking is

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<v Speaker 9>a one trick pony with his big rallies. He's got

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<v Speaker 9>to come up with something new. And importantly, he needs

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<v Speaker 9>to define Harris. That is absolutely essential. All of this noise,

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<v Speaker 9>all of these speakers are defining Kamala Harris before she

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<v Speaker 9>has even defined herself. Most Americans don't know what she

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<v Speaker 9>stands for and who she is. And the fact is

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<v Speaker 9>Donald Trump needs to define her on the one hand,

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<v Speaker 9>but also define her by the policy failings of Biden

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<v Speaker 9>Harris over the last four years. If he does that,

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<v Speaker 9>he'll win. If he's talking about all the other side issues,

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<v Speaker 9>he'll lose.

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<v Speaker 1>You know in politics that if you're hoping for your

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<v Speaker 1>opponent to make a mistake, you're probably in the wrong place.

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<v Speaker 1>That said, we know that Kamala Harris can read the

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<v Speaker 1>prompter right, and it feels like they're building the Ginger Tower.

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<v Speaker 1>But as soon as she's away from the teleprompter. And

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<v Speaker 1>last time I checked, when you were kind enough to

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<v Speaker 1>invite me into the oval, there aren't any teleprompters in

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<v Speaker 1>the Oval office. Right. You have to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>speak off the top of your head and with a

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<v Speaker 1>certain sense of strength. And I think that even the

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<v Speaker 1>hardest of hardcore in that room is frightened when she's

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<v Speaker 1>asked a question by a normal person or god forbid,

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<v Speaker 1>a reporter or in the debate. So, how are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to fix inflation? Because she has never shown that skill.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, that's right, and look, you know, the fact is

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<v Speaker 9>only one candidate wants to increase taxes. And if you

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<v Speaker 9>increase taxes on companies like Walnut or Safeway or Target,

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<v Speaker 9>they will pass it on to consumers in higher prices.

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<v Speaker 9>So if inflation is the number one issue, if the

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<v Speaker 9>cost of living is the number one issue, then you've

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<v Speaker 9>got to say, well, Harris and the Democrats to increase

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<v Speaker 9>taxes and increase prices, and that's the state of policy.

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<v Speaker 9>If you want to prosecute the argument about legal immigration,

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<v Speaker 9>you say you're going to build the wall and finish

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<v Speaker 9>it and you're going to stop all that illegal immigration.

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<v Speaker 9>Now Trump's got a proven track record on that heading

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<v Speaker 9>in the right direction, it stopped, he could do it again.

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<v Speaker 9>If you do that, If Donald Trump can prosecute that

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<v Speaker 9>argument and have the Republicans united in prosecuting that argument,

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<v Speaker 9>then Kamala Harris needs to respond. She needs to respond

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<v Speaker 9>with new policies. You are absolutely right. When is that

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<v Speaker 9>first press conference going to happen? And how is she

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<v Speaker 9>going to handle it? And what we've seen is everyone else,

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<v Speaker 9>including the Democrats, elevating her to a high, high level.

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<v Speaker 9>But it's a very big four. She hasn't been tested,

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<v Speaker 9>and when she is tested.

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<v Speaker 1>The fall could be so dramatic that.

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<v Speaker 9>Donald Trump comes sweeping back into the lead.

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<v Speaker 3>H