Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live mate.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for watching so much to get
Speaker 1: to this evening, including a very big win in the
Speaker 1: Senate today. Sadly it was the Greens yet again, the
Speaker 1: tail wagging, the government being the puppy here. You're going
Speaker 1: to pay. I'll explain what that means in a second.
Speaker 1: I've got more inside details about what may would be
Speaker 1: coming for the user Pay's age care system. And Joe
Speaker 1: Hocke he took time out from not listening to Bill
Speaker 1: Clinton to talk to me. We'll have a chat to
Speaker 1: him in a moment or two his time, but a
Speaker 1: lot of people seem to like that. I started the
Speaker 1: show last night with a bit of good news, so
Speaker 1: I'll continue on until the complaints come the other way.
Speaker 1: I'm nothing but a servant here. Three bits of good
Speaker 1: news before we get into everything else today. The hero
Speaker 1: police officer from the Bondeau stabbings is going to be
Speaker 1: honored this weekend as part of a wireder honoring support
Speaker 1: and recognition of the emergency services in New South Wales
Speaker 1: by the World of Rugby League. Now of course Bondo
Speaker 1: Junction it is part of the Eastern Suburbs club the Roosters.
Speaker 1: So she will be arriving Chopper and all with a
Speaker 1: game ball and she'll be celebrated this weekend. Congratulations to
Speaker 1: Amy Scott on that honor, and I hope that everyone
Speaker 1: takes to their feet and gives her the welcome that
Speaker 1: she deserves. Now, we haven't really updated much about the
Speaker 1: United Kingdom since the riots from a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Well thankfully those riots have calmed down, but the incident
Speaker 1: that is central. Two things getting out of hand was
Speaker 1: the three little girls that were stabbed in England and
Speaker 1: a police to say, well, not good news in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. The news I want to bring you
Speaker 1: tonight is that King Charles didn't just attend, didn't just
Speaker 1: go to the memorials for them, but actually met with
Speaker 1: the families, showing of course that they are not forgotten
Speaker 1: in what has been a while few weeks where they
Speaker 1: were largely forgotten because of some of the reaction and
Speaker 1: shout out to anyone who was stuck on a roller
Speaker 1: coaster today on the Gold Coast, but that's exactly what
Speaker 1: happened today as people were hitting the peak and then
Speaker 1: they were stuck. Life is a rollercoaster, a band I've
Speaker 1: forgotten from the nineties once said the good news, they're off.
Speaker 1: They're okay, now to the big stuff. Now. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter whom the politician is. But in this case, I'm
Speaker 1: going to focus in on the prime minister. They say
Speaker 1: exactly the same thing after every election, and this is
Speaker 1: especially so when just a third of the country's primary
Speaker 1: votes were for the party and the person who has
Speaker 1: become our prime minister.
Speaker 2: And I can promise all Australians this, no matter how
Speaker 2: you voted today, the government I lead will respect every
Speaker 2: one of you every day.
Speaker 1: Really well. Of course we know that they have got
Speaker 1: after the other third, the bit of people who decided
Speaker 1: to vote for anyone but the government this time when
Speaker 1: it comes to the Liberal Party, and they have tried
Speaker 1: endlessly to suggest that it's only the Liberal side of
Speaker 1: politics that's evil, rusty, mean, weird.
Speaker 2: What I see is his relentless negativity, all the carping
Speaker 2: and the negativity to those offers of more negativity under
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton. Peter Dutton, another day, another bit of negativity.
Speaker 1: But I've got to say world under Chris Kenny. He's
Speaker 1: the one who watched this brought it to our attention.
Speaker 1: I repeat what he had to say when he was
Speaker 1: watching a debate in the Senate today because the reality
Speaker 1: of somebody representing the government, somebody a shadow deputy minister
Speaker 1: in the government, completely tells us the truth of what
Speaker 1: they really think of you. Unless you are part of
Speaker 1: their tribe, they turn on you. If you are somebody
Speaker 1: who is openly antagonistic or questions what they do, they
Speaker 1: come for your throat. Now we know that this Prime
Speaker 1: Minister's gutless decision not to have a proper royal commission
Speaker 1: or national inquiry into what happened in COVID is to
Speaker 1: his eternal shame, because to this very day there are
Speaker 1: people who are either still financially affected by lockdowns, the
Speaker 1: failures when it comes to supporting our children that has
Speaker 1: affected their mental health and their education, let alone the
Speaker 1: traumas of absurdity that took place as people were forced
Speaker 1: to wear head to toe protective clothing. Ppe Remember that
Speaker 1: poor lady who had to wait for fourteen days before
Speaker 1: she could go and see her father, Well, he of
Speaker 1: course died without that contact. She had to be dressed
Speaker 1: as if she was going into Chernobyl because that was
Speaker 1: our attitude at the time. There were too many people
Speaker 1: who died alone, and part of a Royal commission race
Speaker 1: serious investigation into what happened would and should have concluded
Speaker 1: that no human should ever die alone if their families
Speaker 1: are willing to roll the dice to even potentially threaten
Speaker 1: their your own health, to make sure that they can
Speaker 1: hold the hands of those whom they love. My mate
Speaker 1: Mark jessp Well, I've given you plenty of examples of
Speaker 1: the story he told about his dad, who again was
Speaker 1: put in one of these scenarios. Disgusting, unforgivable. So today
Speaker 1: there was an attempt from some of the minor parties
Speaker 1: and some of the more conservative senators to have a formal,
Speaker 1: larger inquiry into COVID. Yet, of course this government that
Speaker 1: claimed on day one that they would respect everyone, including
Speaker 1: the people who didn't vote for them, well we all
Speaker 1: know that's garbage. You're either with them or you're against them,
Speaker 1: and if you're against them, bugger you. Perfect example, look
Speaker 1: what's happening right now in regional Australia when it comes
Speaker 1: to the rollout of the energy grid from the people
Speaker 1: who wouldn't dare upset their doggie parks. But you have
Speaker 1: to see your area change forever when it comes to
Speaker 1: the rollout of tens of thousands of kilometers of cable
Speaker 1: or tens of thousands of solo pans or wind turbines.
Speaker 1: But more importantly, I want to introduce you to a
Speaker 1: bloke that you may well not have heard of. Again, Well,
Speaker 1: donder Chris Kenny for pointing this out. And he's the
Speaker 1: reason why I'm talking about this right now. Well, tim As.
Speaker 1: Tim As is that one of the Deputy Ministers for Trade,
Speaker 1: but he's hardcore labor, he's hardcore union, and he decided
Speaker 1: today this is what he said about the people who
Speaker 1: want a proper inquiry into COVID. This man is a disgrace.
Speaker 3: There is a wellspring, a sort of fetted wellspring of
Speaker 3: COVID conspiracy theorists, and some of them, some of them,
Speaker 3: some of them in habit the benches over there. We
Speaker 3: know that Senator Babbitt, we know that Senator Babbitt comes
Speaker 3: from the outer reaches of some of the more kooky
Speaker 3: conspiracy theorist views. We know that we know that it
Speaker 3: is it is obvious one nation party have always sought
Speaker 3: to manipulate these kind of these kind of conspiracy theories
Speaker 3: for their own purposes. That is that is well known,
Speaker 3: and there is, of course, and always has been a
Speaker 3: group of people in the community who you know, mobilized
Speaker 3: by concerns about chemtrails or lizard people or fluoride conspiracy.
Speaker 1: If you think there should be a broad inquiry that
Speaker 1: would investigate and presumably conclude, because it is so obvious
Speaker 1: that kids should always go to school and unless there
Speaker 1: is a natural disaster or an emergency playing out on
Speaker 1: that school's campus, it should always be open and the
Speaker 1: kids should always go to school. They're putting you in
Speaker 1: with the lizard people people. That's the government that's going
Speaker 1: to respect everyone, regardless of how you voted. This bloke
Speaker 1: continues in an extraordinary rant. This wasn't a speech, this
Speaker 1: was a rant. This again is a disgrace. You want
Speaker 1: a proper inquiry into COVID. This is what they think
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 3: And there's there's always the pseudo scientific language, always the
Speaker 3: sort of resort to things that sound important but aren't.
Speaker 3: Always discussions about gene therapy is if something's really going
Speaker 3: on here that is different, and you are always used
Speaker 3: and if you can encourage people to believe this set
Speaker 3: of conspiracy theories. It's part of the radicalization pathway that
Speaker 3: is designed by people who sit at the heart of
Speaker 3: these and sometimes people don't know that they have been
Speaker 3: engaged in a radicalization pathway.
Speaker 1: This is the wildest, dumbest stuff from the Twitter karens
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty that any and anyone who thought
Speaker 1: anything other than what you were told by the Chief
Speaker 1: Health Officer that somehow you're part of some dark, weird,
Speaker 1: crazy conspiracy. Do I agree with every word that has
Speaker 1: been said against every decision that was made of government?
Speaker 1: Of course not. But if the choices are have a
Speaker 1: proper open inquiry into COVID that would hold state governments accountable,
Speaker 1: That would guarantee that our kids keep going to school
Speaker 1: and no one dies alone because of something that since
Speaker 1: everyone left the house, has claimed far more lives. Because
Speaker 1: now we've all got to the position where people's attitudes
Speaker 1: are completely different. It is outrageous that this bloke carried
Speaker 1: on like this. But there's a third and final part
Speaker 1: of it. And again, if you believe people shouldn't die
Speaker 1: alone of COVID, if you're a person who thinks the
Speaker 1: kids should go to school, if you're a person who
Speaker 1: thinks that you should be able to have your small
Speaker 1: business open because there's no other way to pay off
Speaker 1: your home loan or to pay the ever increasing electricity
Speaker 1: bills of this government. Then what's the term they use?
Speaker 1: Apparently you're a cooker.
Speaker 3: And I understand that is uncomfortable. I understand that people
Speaker 3: don't want to hear it because they want the easy
Speaker 3: ride in politics. They don't want to have to call
Speaker 3: out extremism. They want to have to call out bad
Speaker 3: behavior because it's so much easier to do the backslapping
Speaker 3: and the she'll be right mate, and don't worry about that,
Speaker 3: and to surf in on the support of some of
Speaker 3: the nastiest extreme cooky elements in Australian politics.
Speaker 1: I do not have enough words to describe all about
Speaker 1: how offensive and how deliberately and intentionally antagonistic and disgraceful
Speaker 1: that performance was. Now I get it, there'll be a
Speaker 1: drinking game in his office. Aha, look at who we've
Speaker 1: peede off today. How good is this? Don't worry about me, Powell,
Speaker 1: worry about the hundreds of thousands of people who, once
Speaker 1: they see this message, will see you and your government
Speaker 1: for what you are, which are people who will crush
Speaker 1: anyone who thinks what you have done is wrong. This bloke,
Speaker 1: this government, and the media who ignored his behavior today
Speaker 1: are all part of the problem. The problem being that
Speaker 1: there should be accountability for the failures of that period
Speaker 1: of time, not the first six months. We all didn't
Speaker 1: know what was going on. We didn't know whether the
Speaker 1: blob was going to make its way from the hospitals
Speaker 1: of Italy across our borders, and we didn't know what
Speaker 1: was going to happen. But we all knew where we
Speaker 1: were six months in litt alone, multiple years later, I
Speaker 1: wanted absolutely clear kids go to school and people don't
Speaker 1: die alone, and to be dismissed in the fashion of
Speaker 1: which this bloke, this government, the people who report on it,
Speaker 1: if you happen to be of a different view to them,
Speaker 1: tells you everything about what they really think about you.
Speaker 1: And I don't really care what they think about me. Meantime,
Speaker 1: Also in the Senate today, business got a lot harder
Speaker 1: for many Australian businesses. You see the Greens, well, they
Speaker 1: got together with all of the usual suspects on the
Speaker 1: cross bench today, like David Pocock, like Jackie Lamby like
Speaker 1: the person who used to work with Jackie Lamby but
Speaker 1: then broke away from Jackie Lamby, but nobody talks about
Speaker 1: her failure to hold a team together. Don't worry and yes,
Speaker 1: David Van google his name. And what some colleagues have
Speaker 1: said in the past, Well they all got together to
Speaker 1: launch a brand new program. It is referred to as
Speaker 1: a mega deal in the Australian newspaper. Today we are
Speaker 1: talking about the Net Zero Economy Agency. Net Zero Economy Agency.
Speaker 1: Let me read the description of what has just become
Speaker 1: law in Australia. The bill makes it mandatory for companies
Speaker 1: to disclose climate risks. The legislation captures all businesses with
Speaker 1: a turnover, not profit, turnover of fifty million dollars or more.
Speaker 1: So yeah, big companies. But still this is even as
Speaker 1: farmers and the coalitions called for agriculture in particular to
Speaker 1: be carved out of what is called Scope three reporting requirements.
Speaker 1: I'll explain now what Scope three is, and this is
Speaker 1: now the law of the land. Scope three includes emissions
Speaker 1: along the supply chain, so you now become responsible for
Speaker 1: the environmental impacts of people who are in your supply chain.
Speaker 1: Not in your business, which are not directed, which are
Speaker 1: not generated directly by a company within its fence line
Speaker 1: or through its electricity consumption. Farmers who supply big supermarkets
Speaker 1: and other large companies they will have to make climate
Speaker 1: disclosures under the program have warned that their exports will
Speaker 1: be consequently become less competitive. Now, of course this matters
Speaker 1: because if you are going to pull in how much
Speaker 1: you produce because of what the environmental consequences are, and
Speaker 1: how much environmental consequences there are. When you put whatever
Speaker 1: you grow, whatever you make, on the back of a
Speaker 1: truck and the truck makes its way towards the port,
Speaker 1: and then you've got to work out the environmental consequences
Speaker 1: of the thing that takes what you are trying to
Speaker 1: send to the other side of the world, be it
Speaker 1: via ship or by plane. Well, of course you produce
Speaker 1: less when margins are very thin at the moment. Producing
Speaker 1: less will mean that you have less income. If you
Speaker 1: have less income, your chance of turning a profit. Well,
Speaker 1: of course it goes backwards. If the Australian dollar goes
Speaker 1: lower than it currently is, then again what you are
Speaker 1: exporting to the rest of the world. Again, all of
Speaker 1: this comes into the calculations because the expectation then may
Speaker 1: be that it might be good to export on one
Speaker 1: hand financially, but bad to export on another because of
Speaker 1: the environmental costs. This has passed the Parliament today. Of course, China,
Speaker 1: who is often a destination for a lot of this stuff,
Speaker 1: but of course is a place that exports an awful
Speaker 1: lot of garbage to us. Remember they're a developing country,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that they have hosted two Olympic Games
Speaker 1: so far this century, They've got a space station. They
Speaker 1: of course are a developing country. And as they developing country,
Speaker 1: they are allowed to continue to pollute multiple times what
Speaker 1: Australia could even dream of putting into the atmosphere. And
Speaker 1: they can keep surging until twenty thirty. And it's only
Speaker 1: at twenty thirty that they will be measured. We are
Speaker 1: being measured on two thousand and five. We are one
Speaker 1: percent of the world's emissions. There are thirty. We are
Speaker 1: fighting already with one hand tied behind our back because
Speaker 1: of the costs of labor, the cost of transport, the
Speaker 1: cost of electricity. But now the other hand is being
Speaker 1: dragged behind your back. As the Washington Post said about China,
Speaker 1: that China is close to its peak when it comes
Speaker 1: to emissions, but of course they don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it and they won't give us any of the information.
Speaker 1: This is a deeply serious decision which has been made today.
Speaker 1: And I don't say that because I'm in denial of
Speaker 1: climate change or don't understand that Australian needs to do
Speaker 1: its bit about one percent of the world world's problems.
Speaker 1: But when we have now made it harder for the
Speaker 1: people who make things in this country to be able
Speaker 1: to make more of them, to sell more of them,
Speaker 1: to ship more of them, than we have made a
Speaker 1: bad decision. But does that surprise you, Because of course
Speaker 1: this decision is not influenced by anyone who produces. It's
Speaker 1: influenced by the people who sit in the parliament and
Speaker 1: preen and show off and think that everything just grows
Speaker 1: in the shop. Nobody had to make it, nobody had
Speaker 1: to import it, nobody had to try to export it.
Speaker 1: Somebody somewhere else to help subsidize the product. This will,
Speaker 1: of course be, as I say, climate change denial. No,
Speaker 1: this is this a very bad deal that we will
Speaker 1: now be signed up to, and any attempt to change
Speaker 1: it will of course be going back to the dark ages.
Speaker 1: Well watch this space. When it comes to the Prime Minister.
Speaker 1: He has been clobbered, absolutely clobbered for the past couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. In question, the Government has been appalling in
Speaker 1: the way that it has explained itself for dealt with
Speaker 1: or not explained the situation revolving visas coming from wartorn
Speaker 1: parts of the Middle East. Yet again, another day where
Speaker 1: the parliamentary term has finished for a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: and the government was beaten black and blue metaphorically.
Speaker 4: I refer to the government's issuing of tourist visas to
Speaker 4: nearly three thousand people from the terrorists controlled Gaza war zone,
Speaker 4: with nearly one thousand, three hundred already arrived in Australia.
Speaker 4: Can the Prime Minister provide details on any concerns raised
Speaker 4: by the New South Wales State Police or the New
Speaker 4: South Wales Government regarding this matter?
Speaker 5: Prime Minister, will individuals currently in the terrorist controlled Garsa
Speaker 5: war zone who have already been granted a visa by
Speaker 5: this government be subject to face to face interviews or
Speaker 5: biometric checks before they arrive in Australia.
Speaker 4: My question is to the Prime Minister how many people
Speaker 4: from the Gaza war zone has Qatar accepted.
Speaker 1: Yes, no questions, with no answers whatsoever, instead just spinning
Speaker 1: wheels and pretending that there's the opposition that has the problem,
Speaker 1: not the government being held account for its actions. Now
Speaker 1: nine times out of ten, the press gallery, as I
Speaker 1: so often talk about, they just swallow the labor line.
Speaker 1: They run the labor line, thankfully. Every now and then
Speaker 1: there are some examples of the truth pushing through, like
Speaker 1: Mark Riley did a couple of nights ago on.
Speaker 5: Seven correct question how many of the two nine hundred
Speaker 5: visas from Gaza have been canceled?
Speaker 1: It's an indirect answer.
Speaker 2: We take the same advice from the same security agency.
Speaker 1: But of course there are plenty of people that are
Speaker 1: willing to be the praetorian guard around their preferred Prime
Speaker 1: minister and their preferred government. Seemingly one of those would
Speaker 1: work for the Channel nine newspapers. It's not just my view,
Speaker 1: it's the view, of course, of Peter Dutton about a
Speaker 1: blow called David Crow. When Murferou, the old Guardian journalist,
Speaker 1: joined the Prime Minister's office to become a spin doctor,
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton decided and couldn't help but say that the
Speaker 1: real outrage was that David Crow missed out what more
Speaker 1: must he do to prove his credentials to be formally
Speaker 1: employed by the Labor Party, And that has seemingly never
Speaker 1: been truer than what happened in the past couple of days.
Speaker 1: You see, one of the lines of defense of those
Speaker 1: that have no defense for their actions was to pretend
Speaker 1: that this is just a small issue, that nobody cares
Speaker 1: about it whatsoever, That there isn't baked into the DNA
Speaker 1: of Australia a love of its borders, I want to
Speaker 1: protect its culture, an awareness of the multicultural nature of
Speaker 1: our country. But the point being that there must be
Speaker 1: a system of processes that mean that you're able to
Speaker 1: get here, and only the people who fit the highest
Speaker 1: standards are the ones who end up coming here. Now again,
Speaker 1: why am I talking about this bloke? Because this was
Speaker 1: the defense from the Labor Party when they were getting
Speaker 1: beaten senseless metaphorically in the Parliament this week. Beggars belief.
Speaker 6: When this is the main game right around Australia, that
Speaker 6: those opposite can't manage to ask even a single question
Speaker 6: about the cost of living pressures that people are confronting,
Speaker 6: not one idea about fighting inflation, not one policy for
Speaker 6: the cost of living.
Speaker 1: Well, you see a version of that. There were many
Speaker 1: versions of it that were there turned up in the
Speaker 1: analysis section of the person who's also the straight news
Speaker 1: journalist in the other part of the paper. Tell me
Speaker 1: how that works. But still Dutton is placing all these
Speaker 1: bets on an issue not crucial to voters, because you
Speaker 1: see they're pretending nobody anywhere is talking about what's happening
Speaker 1: when it comes to the Middle East. And if you are,
Speaker 1: it's only kind of five percent of the country. No,
Speaker 1: the extreme majority of Australians have opinions about our borders.
Speaker 1: Every poll, every time tells us this. How he holds
Speaker 1: water for the Labour Party. Here is the big question
Speaker 1: for the coming election is whether this will matter. Will
Speaker 1: this relentless focus on Garza work for Dunton, Will it
Speaker 1: help Green's leader Adam band or will it help the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Anthony Ibnezi appeal to Australians with a moderate message.
Speaker 1: See again see the sales pitch there. Oh, the craziest
Speaker 1: is to the left of the crazies. To the right,
Speaker 1: it's the man in the Middle who's oh so reasonable,
Speaker 1: the man of the Middle who can't answer the yes
Speaker 1: no question, the yes no question about the support of
Speaker 1: a terrorist organization extraordinary right. So while there will be
Speaker 1: no professional consequences, no doubt because of even my criticism,
Speaker 1: you know he'll be named Journalists of the Year and
Speaker 1: get lots of awards. Remember, David Crowe also has to
Speaker 1: write the stories about the opinion polls. It is own
Speaker 1: newspaper like this one that shows that when asked, fifty
Speaker 1: one percent of people think the moderate Prime Minister his
Speaker 1: performance is poor or very poor. The issue is not
Speaker 1: about the Middle East. The issue is about borders, protecting
Speaker 1: the borders and maintaining the standards of who gets to
Speaker 1: cross them to join us here in the greatest country
Speaker 1: of all And as I have said a thousand times before,
Speaker 1: and I have to say for one thousand and one,
Speaker 1: because there are those that will deliberately and intentionally misrepresent
Speaker 1: as I have said, as I have caused great offense
Speaker 1: to some people. It is very obvious that Australia has
Speaker 1: a refugee program and from all parts of the world
Speaker 1: and all conflicts of the world, if people meet the standard,
Speaker 1: then they are accepted into our country. That is the
Speaker 1: reality of our refugee system, the idea that those people
Speaker 1: should somehow have different types of checks depending on where
Speaker 1: they come from. Yeah, people do have an opinion on that.
Speaker 1: Meantime to the age care side of things here, and
Speaker 1: there was some pressure that has finally been put onto
Speaker 1: the government to actually tell us what is going on here,
Speaker 1: What is going on when it comes to aged care
Speaker 1: and user pays and how much more will people have
Speaker 1: to pay? And who is going to be declared rich?
Speaker 1: Will it be the amount of money in your bank account,
Speaker 1: your super the value of your house, All of this
Speaker 1: matters well. Jim Charmers was approached and asked about it
Speaker 1: today and according to news dot Com that I you,
Speaker 1: he was mum on the issue, simply saying nothing.
Speaker 6: Obviously, we've been really focused on really cognizant on the
Speaker 6: anxieties that people might have about changes in aged care.
Speaker 6: In my view, it's not tenable, it's not viable to
Speaker 6: continue the current system the way that it is forever.
Speaker 6: When we have more to say about aged care reform,
Speaker 6: obviously a big part of that will be being upfront
Speaker 6: with people about what we're asking of them and what
Speaker 6: the transitional arrange TAMS would be to assuage some of
Speaker 6: those concerns that you raise.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. The exception to the rule of the press
Speaker 1: gallery is Philip Curry. I'm sure it brings him and
Speaker 1: others great delight that I cite him as a good
Speaker 1: example of bloke who literally does call the balls and
Speaker 1: strikes down in the middle. He's been leading the reporting
Speaker 1: about what's going on inside this age care situation and
Speaker 1: telling us about what's being negotiated while it's being negotiated,
Speaker 1: rather than just turning around whether you take it or
Speaker 1: leave it attitude this government normally as now, remember a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago we told you the Australian Financial
Speaker 1: Review has revealed in the past that one of the
Speaker 1: proposals that was put to the opposition was a lifetime
Speaker 1: contributions cap going from seventy six thousand to more than
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars above that number to now one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety thousand dollars. The cap would be abolished altogether. However,
Speaker 1: when it comes to home care, so if there's no cap,
Speaker 1: then yes, you could be eventually bled financially dry if
Speaker 1: you decide to stay at home for as long as
Speaker 1: possible trying to have the home care package. That's why
Speaker 1: this has consequences. That's why this should remain front and center.
Speaker 1: Will They had an updating to his reporting which came
Speaker 1: through today, saying that age care wait list exemptions will
Speaker 1: be granted as parties close in on a deal, so
Speaker 1: all of this only kicks in once you get into
Speaker 1: a place or you get a package, not what you
Speaker 1: are waiting for it. He claims that the major parties
Speaker 1: have got to some sort of a deal when it
Speaker 1: comes to the funding model. On Wednesday, sources on both
Speaker 1: sides confirmed in principal agreement have been reached on Chapter
Speaker 1: four of a new Age Care Act, which contains the
Speaker 1: funding reforms under which those entering care will have to
Speaker 1: quote pay a bit more for their care, while home
Speaker 1: care recipients will pay more for services those with the
Speaker 1: greatest means the financial the family home excluded. So if
Speaker 1: you've got significant amount of super significant amount of shares,
Speaker 1: significant amount of money in the bank, you will have
Speaker 1: to pay a lot contribution if you choose to stay
Speaker 1: at home. There'll be no cap Wait. Watch, There's plenty
Speaker 1: more in this story, and we will continue to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on it, even though there is not an
Speaker 1: awful lot of TV pict just to throw around it.
Speaker 1: But I know how much you care because it's all
Speaker 1: of our lives that they're filling and playing with currently
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. So as you know, the Democratic National
Speaker 1: Committee coming to a close in the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: Obama in a pantsuit. Sorry, Kamala Harris will of course
Speaker 1: take to the stage to become the new Queen of Friedel.
Speaker 1: But one of the endless themes of the Democratic National
Speaker 1: Committee is that if you vote blue, you're better than
Speaker 1: the evil, bad, nasty Orange man.
Speaker 7: Their Project twenty twenty five will make things much, much
Speaker 7: harder for people who are just trying to live their lives.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is like an old boyfriend, well you broke
Speaker 3: up with, but it just won't go away.
Speaker 2: And let's talk about Project twenty twenty five, Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: roadmap to ban abortion.
Speaker 1: In all fifty states. Now, this is a very deep
Speaker 1: cut for people who spend way too much time on
Speaker 1: the Internet or way too much time watching lefty television.
Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five is put together by a think tank, yes,
Speaker 1: of a lot of people who used to work in
Speaker 1: the Trump administration who would have a hope of being
Speaker 1: in the next Trump administration. But Donald Trump himself has
Speaker 1: said that's not me. I'm not doing it. And isn't
Speaker 1: it amazing that the very same party that's trying to
Speaker 1: tell you that Kamala Harris used to believe all of this,
Speaker 1: but now she believes all of that, thinks that rule
Speaker 1: only applies to them. Trump has said it's not happening.
Speaker 1: Yet they just keep on pounding away. But again, the evil,
Speaker 1: the nastiness, the heartlessness, the carelessness of Donald Trump. Well
Speaker 1: today he was holding a rally, but for the first
Speaker 1: time since he was shot, he did so out in
Speaker 1: the open. You can see all that plastic glass that
Speaker 1: was around him. Well, this bloke who apparently is so
Speaker 1: nasty and it's all about him. Now, remember he was
Speaker 1: shot at the PTSC that any of us would feel
Speaker 1: in that situation. He didn't hide behind the glass. Yes,
Speaker 1: he delivered the speech, but then when a person at
Speaker 1: the rally collapsed, look what he did. He left the stage.
Speaker 1: The security would have clearly freaked out at the moment,
Speaker 1: and then he gave the lady a cuddle. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: think about think about that, right if any of the
Speaker 1: Dems any and God forbid and knowing no never never
Speaker 1: never never never, right, but if somebody has been shot
Speaker 1: at and they've got all the bullepoof glass around them,
Speaker 1: imagine the stones to not just not be afraid to
Speaker 1: go back and put your head into the the lion's mouth,
Speaker 1: but then to walk away from the protect. Unbelievable stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, the fight, fight, fight, you saw when the
Speaker 1: blood was coming down his face is still there to die.
Speaker 1: But also can I call that again? Some bas from
Speaker 1: the Democratic National Committee, they constantly talk about dimefod for
Speaker 1: Trump because that would be going backwards.
Speaker 7: Let us choose optimism over cynicism, because that's.
Speaker 8: The best of America.
Speaker 4: And let us choose inclusion over retribution.
Speaker 1: Let us choose common sense over none.
Speaker 7: Since we got seventy six days, that's nothing.
Speaker 1: There'll be time to sleep when you're dad. That's how
Speaker 1: we'll turn the page on Donald Trump.
Speaker 9: When Kamala Harris as president, every day will begin with.
Speaker 1: You, you, you, you. But every single day of the
Speaker 1: convention has been the greatest hits. Bill Clinton has been
Speaker 1: addressing the Democratic National Convention for forty years. Joe Biden
Speaker 1: was front and center of Democratic politics for fifty years.
Speaker 1: Obama's first speech was twenty years ago, and these were
Speaker 1: the headline acts on all of the nights. And then,
Speaker 1: of course there was Michelle Obama, who's the greatest of
Speaker 1: all time because her greatest achievement during the eight years
Speaker 1: of the White House was a vegetable garden. And I've
Speaker 1: got to say, I'm sorry. I know, way more popular
Speaker 1: and people love and I'm about to get flamed on
Speaker 1: the internet, but someone's got to say it. How does
Speaker 1: she have the internal strength to say this? She and
Speaker 1: my father didn't aspire to be wealthy.
Speaker 4: In fact, they were suspicious of folks who took more
Speaker 4: than they needed.
Speaker 1: Took more than they needed. She was brought up be
Speaker 1: suspicious of people who take more than they need. This
Speaker 1: is the lady with not one, not two, not three,
Speaker 1: but four mansions, four mansions. This is apparently the main
Speaker 1: place they live in a place called Martha's Vineyard. And
Speaker 1: remember when a legal immigrants turned up there, Well, they
Speaker 1: got turned away quickly. You wouldn't want to spoil the
Speaker 1: view would you die? But most likely the most important
Speaker 1: thing that will happen in the next twenty four to
Speaker 1: forty eight hours is that Robert Kennedy Junior will give
Speaker 1: up his quest for the presidency. Now every pole is
Speaker 1: Toolesey is no chance of flipping a state, let alone
Speaker 1: winning the presidency. His vice presidential candidate said yesterday on
Speaker 1: the Internet and today on Fox News that they have
Speaker 1: a choice, and the choice most likely is to team
Speaker 1: up behind Donald Trump.
Speaker 8: It's Bobby's decision. I came into this supporting him wholeheartedly
Speaker 8: to win the selection, and I have to say there's
Speaker 8: only one party that has obstructed a fair election for us,
Speaker 8: and unfortunately it was a Democratic Party. They've done everything
Speaker 8: they can, including creating packs, to prevent us from being
Speaker 8: able to have ballot access.
Speaker 1: Now, while nationally not a big story, in the seven
Speaker 1: states that matter, it's a massive issue because previously, when
Speaker 1: it was Biden, about sixty forty percent of their support
Speaker 1: was coming from Democrats. Now most of that vote went
Speaker 1: back to the Democrats, So now it's sixty forty people
Speaker 1: who most likely would end up going for Trump. So
Speaker 1: in states where Harris is leading by less than a
Speaker 1: point five points up for grabs is going to help Trump.
Speaker 1: The same in Georgia with four six points in Michigan,
Speaker 1: In Nevada, he could put his foot down and put
Speaker 1: it away. In North Carolina, a tie would quickly become
Speaker 1: a Trump lead. The same in Pennsylvania, in Wisconsin and
Speaker 1: so many other places. So watch this space. All of
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. But of course, the great pants Obama and
Speaker 1: pants I don't care, I do not care. Betting markets,
Speaker 1: by the way, is still in favor of Trump. It's
Speaker 1: only middle of August. We'll see what happens next week,
Speaker 1: next month. But right now, game on. Speaking of quick
Speaker 1: break back with more, Who's the winner and loser of
Speaker 1: the week. We'll crown one in a second, and then
Speaker 1: Joe Hockey in Chicago, and we talk about the real deal,
Speaker 1: not the spin, no knocking around. Let's get to it now.
Speaker 1: Plenty to talk about, with the wonderful Michael Kroger joining
Speaker 1: us from Melbourne in the man Cave right now is
Speaker 1: Eily Die, of course, from the Center of Independent Studies.
Speaker 1: Hello do you both, Michael. I'll start with you. David
Speaker 1: Crowe claims that the focus of the past couple of
Speaker 1: weeks is on a minor issue nobody cares about. But
Speaker 1: he is gas lighting about what the past two weeks
Speaker 1: has been about. It has not been the obsessive extreme
Speaker 1: minority who are deeply and front and center involved. It's
Speaker 1: about the border and everyone cares about the border and
Speaker 1: Australians have been very clear since two thousand and one
Speaker 1: what their position is on the border. So let's deal
Speaker 1: with this narrative game that's being played out of the
Speaker 1: press gallery. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Mate, I think David's unfortunately suffering from the Canberra bubble syndrome.
Speaker 7: It's the worst type of affection for journalists to catch,
Speaker 7: and it's basically that syndrome, which is when you're in
Speaker 7: Canberra for too long and you only talk to Canberra
Speaker 7: based journalists, particularly those in the Fairfax Press and the ABC,
Speaker 7: you are a world away, a world away from what
Speaker 7: people in marginal seats in the suburbs around Australia, particularly
Speaker 7: rural Australia, are thinking. And I can tell you this
Speaker 7: issue is a light across the country and people are appalled,
Speaker 7: they're shocked. Labor supporters are profoundly disappointed at Albow. Everyone
Speaker 7: else is just appalled. No, I don't think David's reading
Speaker 7: the room right, and in any case, I'm sure don't.
Speaker 7: We'll get back on to cost of living in due course. David,
Speaker 7: I don't think he's going to run this to the election.
Speaker 7: But in the meantime, this issue is an issue of
Speaker 7: profound importance to Australians. They have no idea what's going on.
Speaker 7: And while Beneath has done this, and while we've taken
Speaker 7: six times more than any other country in the world, well.
Speaker 1: And also Emily, the reality is that that again, you
Speaker 1: can have whatever views you have about the conflict, the situation,
Speaker 1: the future, that part of all of that stuff, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it can be completely divorced from the conversation about
Speaker 1: the process in which people come into the country. And
Speaker 1: I think that it is again gas lighting is the
Speaker 1: only word I can keep using here to pretend that
Speaker 1: that's not what this conversation is. That is what they
Speaker 1: have asked questions about for two weeks straight.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I think the focus on this has
Speaker 10: been quite intense and probably a bit unhelpful for the
Speaker 10: Liberal Party and for the coalition. I think there's a
Speaker 10: huge generational divide on this on this issue, and that
Speaker 10: gen Z voters are said, well, why not, like, why
Speaker 10: aren't we looking but letting them in. They're looking at
Speaker 10: their social media feed, They're seeing those images and are
Speaker 10: looking at it from a very different perspective than a
Speaker 10: lot of your older voters and the voters that Michael's
Speaker 10: references in the suburbs. I think that these people, that
Speaker 10: the younger voters, are going to be further alienated from
Speaker 10: the Liberal Party if it continues down there.
Speaker 1: So you don't think that there's the capacity to two
Speaker 1: things to be true at the same time. But again,
Speaker 1: younger voters can see what's happening, right, Yeah, absolutely see
Speaker 1: what's happening, but also understand that you have to have
Speaker 1: an immigration process that has a series of controls in it.
Speaker 10: Oh. I think that younger voters can understand that, and
Speaker 10: I would fully support of it. Let's bring in refugees absolutely,
Speaker 10: we should also absolutely have those checks and should be
Speaker 10: very careful and we should expect integration. It's something that
Speaker 10: my colleague Peter Curty has been talking about quite a bit.
Speaker 10: Is you come to Australia, you need to join the community,
Speaker 10: hold to Australian values and be productive members of society,
Speaker 10: which I hope and I think that a lot of
Speaker 10: these people will be grateful to Australia and will respond accordingly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Correct, Let's talk about the age care stuff because Michael, again,
Speaker 1: this is all being worked out behind closed doors, and
Speaker 1: generally speaking, when it's bipartisan it's either absolutely necessary nation
Speaker 1: building stuff or dirty deal. Let's both agree not to
Speaker 1: blame each other because we help fix the bigger problem. Now.
Speaker 1: I know the change in a lifetime cap for people
Speaker 1: who go into age care, Okay, it's very big, changing
Speaker 1: from sort of the high seventies to one hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety thousand. But the idea that there may will be
Speaker 1: no lifetime cap for people staying in their homes, this
Speaker 1: is going to be very big. But what both sides
Speaker 1: are going to sign offident So therefore we can't talk
Speaker 1: about it no way.
Speaker 7: I would think that's unlikely, mate, I would think that's unlikely.
Speaker 7: There's got to be a cap. I mean, you can't
Speaker 7: have you can't have an uncapped scheme like this. I
Speaker 7: mean people have got to know what they're going to
Speaker 7: be up for. And look, I gather the coalition and
Speaker 7: pushing for a couple of things. One is to say
Speaker 7: that there does have to be grandfather. If you're watching
Speaker 7: tonight and you're in a home or your parents are
Speaker 7: about to go into home on a waiting list, and
Speaker 7: they've already made a pre commitment, you have the grandfather
Speaker 7: those people. You can't change the rules on someone who's
Speaker 7: already in an age care facility. That would be completely wrong.
Speaker 7: So we're talking about a situation which is only going
Speaker 7: to apply going forward. Is everyone going to have to
Speaker 7: pay a little more, Yes, everyone is going to have
Speaker 7: to pay a little more, but there's got to be
Speaker 7: a cap mate, and I think ultimately they're going to
Speaker 7: have to reach a situation where there is a lifetime
Speaker 7: cap because uncapped schemes for people are paying out their
Speaker 7: own pocketticularly when they're elderly, that ain't going to work
Speaker 7: in this country.
Speaker 1: Well, I look absolutely, which is why I keep talking
Speaker 1: about it. Right, this is not this an issue where
Speaker 1: I've never more hoped to be wrong. But I'm following
Speaker 1: the reporting that is again not telling us that that's
Speaker 1: currently on the table. We'll wait and see together that. Emily,
Speaker 1: let's make the most of your experience with the CIS,
Speaker 1: and particularly when it comes to gm Z and their
Speaker 1: attitudes when it comes to corporate activism, the assumption from
Speaker 1: those of us that are not as across it as
Speaker 1: you are in your learned fashion is that because the
Speaker 1: younger employees are more socially active and therefore they demanded
Speaker 1: in their bos. Is it true.
Speaker 10: Absolutely not. We looked at the data and we asked
Speaker 10: about a bunch of young people what they thought about
Speaker 10: corporate activism, and it was a pretty tepid response. Yes,
Speaker 10: gen Z is the most aware of corporate activism. Yes
Speaker 10: they're most aligned with it. But they're also the people
Speaker 10: that are leaving organizations and droves because of it. Really, so,
Speaker 10: we've got, particularly the more moderate gen Z and millennial voters,
Speaker 10: they are leaving businesses because they're feeling so alienated by
Speaker 10: this activism, and rather than pushing their employers to get
Speaker 10: involved in corporate activism, they feel that they themselves are
Speaker 10: being judged on that activism that's coming out of companies.
Speaker 10: About half of them think that they're not judged solely
Speaker 10: on their merit, but on their ability to toe a
Speaker 10: politically correct corporate line.
Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff. Center of Independent Studies website. I'll make sure
Speaker 1: it's up on our socials. Congrats, right, Mirkael just before
Speaker 1: we go. We could do winnows and loses, but I
Speaker 1: really want to ask you about David A Andson. He goes,
Speaker 1: I think next year his tenure at the top of
Speaker 1: the ac give me the thirty second exit interview.
Speaker 7: I welcome David's departure. I think he was completely ineffectual.
Speaker 7: As I've said before, he was just a cork bobbing
Speaker 7: in the ocean. He wasn't running the organization. He was
Speaker 7: following the organization. And let's just hope the board can
Speaker 7: appoint someone who's going to adhere to the ABC charter,
Speaker 7: which is fair and impartial in the gathering and delivery
Speaker 7: of news and current affairs.
Speaker 1: Look if they can find a way so that Laura
Speaker 1: Tingle can both be on television and running it, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's what they'll probably conclude, or something like it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, mate, do appreciate it. Thank you, Emily. In
Speaker 1: a moment, Joe Hockey from the United States live from
Speaker 1: that Democratic Convention. One day to go, A barman in
Speaker 1: a pant suit coming soon to a TV New Years.
Speaker 1: If there's one person I love talking about American politics with,
Speaker 1: it's a man who well knows it like the back
Speaker 1: of his hand, not just because he's deeply interested across
Speaker 1: all of it. Knows plenty of people in the US
Speaker 1: works in the United States, but course was our former ambassador,
Speaker 1: and I'm pleased to say he's my friend. Joe Hockey
Speaker 1: joins us from the Democratic National Convention. Great man, what's
Speaker 1: the feel like? You know? I keep hearing that, you know,
Speaker 1: this is an amazing party and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: But aren't all of them exactly the same every four
Speaker 1: years where they all think that they're about to win
Speaker 1: and win big.
Speaker 9: I'm tempted to agree with you, but I can't this.
Speaker 9: There is a high level of enthusiasm here, Paul, and
Speaker 9: part of it is relief that Joe Biden is no
Speaker 9: longer the candidate. That's been a big issue for the Democrats.
Speaker 9: He got to the point where he was unelectable against
Speaker 9: Donald Trump, and so a lot of Democrats are relieved
Speaker 9: that he is not the candidate. But there's also a
Speaker 9: level of enthusiasm, to be honest, for Carmala Harris. And
Speaker 9: you can't you can't dismiss that because she's had all
Speaker 9: the firepower come out, including who's speaking now, Clinton. But
Speaker 9: the Obama's Joe Biden himself. But we still haven't heard
Speaker 9: from the candidate, and I think there's a long way
Speaker 9: to go on this election campaign.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree completely. I mean literally, you look at
Speaker 1: the betting markets today, it's Trump. Just you look at
Speaker 1: this pole aggregator, it's heard. Just you look at this
Speaker 1: pole aggregator, it's him. Just Nate Silver says, anything that's
Speaker 1: sort of between fifty five and forty five is a
Speaker 1: coin flip. But I wanted to put it to you
Speaker 1: more so this way. Right. If it's about the economy,
Speaker 1: he wins. If it's about abortion, she wins. If it's
Speaker 1: about the past four years, he wins. If it's about
Speaker 1: Obama and a pantsu, she wins. What do you think
Speaker 1: it's about?
Speaker 9: It's cost of living. It's got to be cost of living.
Speaker 9: That's a number one issue for everyday Americans. And the
Speaker 9: number two issue is a legal immigration and you can
Speaker 9: feel it everywhere right across America. This isn't just about
Speaker 9: the southern border. It's about people and stealing jobs and
Speaker 9: there is. They are the two big issues, and Donald
Speaker 9: Trump is leading on them. The problem is and it
Speaker 9: frustrates me, and I know you've interviewed Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I know Donald Trump.
Speaker 9: I really wish he would get back to dealing with
Speaker 9: the issues rather than running commentary on the color of
Speaker 9: Harris's skin or you know, whether all the various conspiracy theories.
Speaker 9: The bottom line is, if he talks about costs of
Speaker 9: living pressures, if he talks about illegal immigration, he will win.
Speaker 9: If he talks about everything else, he will lose.
Speaker 1: Because it's interesting again, you have a look inside the numbers, right,
Speaker 1: Her unfavorable number is forty seven percent. His unfavorable number
Speaker 1: is sixty percent. Right, so we know if it's about
Speaker 1: who do you want to have dinner with all the
Speaker 1: rest of it, I know I would choose Trump, of course,
Speaker 1: but generally speaking, we know where that's going to go.
Speaker 1: But why do you think he's not able to laser in.
Speaker 1: I understand that in his muscle, in his DNA. You
Speaker 1: know he's ready for the fight with Biden. He's got
Speaker 1: to let it go. But also when you're leading on
Speaker 1: the issues and you need to start to close the deal,
Speaker 1: to put a little bit bit of cushion right to
Speaker 1: break some of that hope that people can can hear
Speaker 1: hearing behind you right now? Why do you think he's
Speaker 1: lacking this ability? Does he not have the same people?
Speaker 1: Is he just a little bit older? Is he sort
Speaker 1: of frankly not as fired up.
Speaker 9: Well, the thing about Donald Trump, which is the most
Speaker 9: valuable commodity and politics anywhere in the world in twenty
Speaker 9: first century, think about Donald Trump is he is authentic.
Speaker 9: He drifts away even privately, when you have a conversation
Speaker 9: with him. He'll go from topic to topic to topic
Speaker 9: to topic in a very short order. And you know
Speaker 9: he's got a very active brain. He's got a curious mind.
Speaker 9: But you can't meander when you're speaking with people, when
Speaker 9: you're trying to cut through message, and his speeches are
Speaker 9: a boring and turgid at the moment, he's lacking is
Speaker 9: a one trick pony with his big rallies. He's got
Speaker 9: to come up with something new. And importantly, he needs
Speaker 9: to define Harris. That is absolutely essential. All of this noise,
Speaker 9: all of these speakers are defining Kamala Harris before she
Speaker 9: has even defined herself. Most Americans don't know what she
Speaker 9: stands for and who she is. And the fact is
Speaker 9: Donald Trump needs to define her on the one hand,
Speaker 9: but also define her by the policy failings of Biden
Speaker 9: Harris over the last four years. If he does that,
Speaker 9: he'll win. If he's talking about all the other side issues,
Speaker 9: he'll lose.
Speaker 1: You know in politics that if you're hoping for your
Speaker 1: opponent to make a mistake, you're probably in the wrong place.
Speaker 1: That said, we know that Kamala Harris can read the
Speaker 1: prompter right, and it feels like they're building the Ginger Tower.
Speaker 1: But as soon as she's away from the teleprompter. And
Speaker 1: last time I checked, when you were kind enough to
Speaker 1: invite me into the oval, there aren't any teleprompters in
Speaker 1: the Oval office. Right. You have to be able to
Speaker 1: speak off the top of your head and with a
Speaker 1: certain sense of strength. And I think that even the
Speaker 1: hardest of hardcore in that room is frightened when she's
Speaker 1: asked a question by a normal person or god forbid,
Speaker 1: a reporter or in the debate. So, how are you
Speaker 1: going to fix inflation? Because she has never shown that skill.
Speaker 9: Well, that's right, and look, you know, the fact is
Speaker 9: only one candidate wants to increase taxes. And if you
Speaker 9: increase taxes on companies like Walnut or Safeway or Target,
Speaker 9: they will pass it on to consumers in higher prices.
Speaker 9: So if inflation is the number one issue, if the
Speaker 9: cost of living is the number one issue, then you've
Speaker 9: got to say, well, Harris and the Democrats to increase
Speaker 9: taxes and increase prices, and that's the state of policy.
Speaker 9: If you want to prosecute the argument about legal immigration,
Speaker 9: you say you're going to build the wall and finish
Speaker 9: it and you're going to stop all that illegal immigration.
Speaker 9: Now Trump's got a proven track record on that heading
Speaker 9: in the right direction, it stopped, he could do it again.
Speaker 9: If you do that, If Donald Trump can prosecute that
Speaker 9: argument and have the Republicans united in prosecuting that argument,
Speaker 9: then Kamala Harris needs to respond. She needs to respond
Speaker 9: with new policies. You are absolutely right. When is that
Speaker 9: first press conference going to happen? And how is she
Speaker 9: going to handle it? And what we've seen is everyone else,
Speaker 9: including the Democrats, elevating her to a high, high level.
Speaker 9: But it's a very big four. She hasn't been tested,
Speaker 9: and when she is tested.
Speaker 1: The fall could be so dramatic that.
Speaker 9: Donald Trump comes sweeping back into the lead.
Speaker 3: H