Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another install on the show.
Speaker 1: It's Patrick James Bonello, Tiffany and called Craig Anthony Harper.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the genius in the bush.
Speaker 2: Hi, Patrick, Oh sorry, I was waiting for you to say,
Speaker 2: tiff that would have been the genius in the ring,
Speaker 2: wouldn't that.
Speaker 1: You're a genius, Thank you. Yeah, you're a genius of sorts.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm actually doing pretty good. I'm sitting here at the
Speaker 2: moment with Fritz and scientifically, Fritz is actually calming me down.
Speaker 2: He's lowering my blood pressure and he's causing me to
Speaker 2: be more relaxed.
Speaker 1: Do you know that dogs, well, obviously if you love them, dogs, cats, animals,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, they increase not only lifespan, but health
Speaker 1: span as well, which is nice, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, fantastic. I feel I should be doing more.
Speaker 1: Although I did see a video the other day online
Speaker 1: of this crazy woman with a cat in a stewdent.
Speaker 1: I can't remember her name, someone Cook and the cat
Speaker 1: that she had I might have been Bear the cat.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I can't remember all the.
Speaker 2: Details, but the common name for a cat, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this lady swearing like a motherfucker at this
Speaker 1: poor cat. It was feeline abuse.
Speaker 3: Bear's very thoughtful, and she realizes that with the cost
Speaker 3: of living, having such a long life from all these
Speaker 3: pets in my world is a very big expense. So
Speaker 3: she's just balancing that out with some high sparks of
Speaker 3: cortisol every now and then.
Speaker 1: So tell everyone who's thinking, what is he talking about?
Speaker 1: Tell everybody one you what happened.
Speaker 3: If so, I've got banners behind me in the studio
Speaker 3: that just sit there twenty four to seven. The studio
Speaker 3: doubles as her bedroom. She's got a little cat towel here.
Speaker 3: It's quite the playground. But when I when she knows
Speaker 3: I'm putting up, obviously, when I put my headphones around
Speaker 3: my ears, she goes into assault mode and pushes the
Speaker 3: So I was sitting there, I had to record a
Speaker 3: little video by myself, So I turn on the zoom,
Speaker 3: I put the headphones on my head, and she just
Speaker 3: runs in, pushes the banner over behind me, and runs
Speaker 3: straight out the door. And I abuse her, And I
Speaker 3: think to myself, my neighbors would hear that abuse all
Speaker 3: the time and think I'm in a volatile relationship.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious, and or you're abusing your animals.
Speaker 3: She does it deliberately though, like it's they're so cunning.
Speaker 1: It's deliberate and it's thought through.
Speaker 3: And that banner is in here twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3: She doesn't touch it unless she wants to irritate me.
Speaker 2: Well do you reckon?
Speaker 1: She's like mean cat form? Do you reckon? She real
Speaker 1: is that you're about to stop focusing on her. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're about to channel your attention into something else. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happens. Can you two talk amongst yourselves
Speaker 1: for a moment, Patrick, because all your notes that you
Speaker 1: sent me have disappeared. Oh no, I found them, found them.
Speaker 1: I'm back. I'm sorry for that. Yeah. Yeah. My my
Speaker 1: Monash University account, which is clearly sick of me, just
Speaker 1: blocked me from my own thing. But I'm back in.
Speaker 1: Have you been Patrick? What's going on? What's news up there?
Speaker 2: Look, it's it's got cold really quickly. It was four
Speaker 2: degrees this morning, so I had to stoke up the fireplace,
Speaker 2: which is actually one of the very cathartic things that
Speaker 2: I love to do. I'm not got central heating, but
Speaker 2: I've also got some I was gonna say, I've got wood,
Speaker 2: but I've got, you know, a lot of stuff for
Speaker 2: the fireplace to be able to keep the house warm.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's That was one of the things I
Speaker 2: did first thing this morning because I thought I thought
Speaker 2: we were recording at seven thirty, so I got up
Speaker 2: extra early to warm the house and get the fireplace going,
Speaker 2: get my hot chocolate, and stand by the fire. I
Speaker 2: was going through the notes, and then I sat down
Speaker 2: and went to the studio, turned the heater on and
Speaker 2: sat here at seven thirty and no one was there.
Speaker 1: And I got a message at seven thirty two, going
Speaker 1: are we doing a podcast? And I was sitting at
Speaker 1: the cafe just knees deep. I was going to say
Speaker 1: something else, knees deep in caffeine. What suits you? It is?
Speaker 1: Seven thirty suit you better? Or nine?
Speaker 2: We probably should have this conversation, but not during the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. Let's have a little staff meeting. Now,
Speaker 1: what are you or nine?
Speaker 3: I like nine because I like to be able to
Speaker 3: go and work out first. But you know, I'm just
Speaker 3: here at press buttons. So it's when you two are
Speaker 3: most on fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that works for me. I can walk for
Speaker 2: its beforehand.
Speaker 1: Then you are the button presser Tiff metaphorically and literally.
Speaker 2: Press push her buttons.
Speaker 1: Yea, even when she's not in the studio. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love a good open fire. But anyway, all right, let's
Speaker 1: onwards and upwards.
Speaker 2: I think i've spoken to since we went to jail together.
Speaker 1: I saw photos of you guys in jail. Was it fun? Patrick?
Speaker 2: It was awesome. I'd never thought because I didn't know
Speaker 2: they had cowed jails for one thing. It was great fun.
Speaker 2: Took me to jail and I wore an orange jumpsuit.
Speaker 2: Was great.
Speaker 1: Did you drink any booze?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I had mocktails. Oh no, it's not true.
Speaker 2: I did have a shot, but just one, but most
Speaker 2: of it was mocktails.
Speaker 1: How long since you've been or have you ever been drunk?
Speaker 2: Have I ever been drunk? Yes, I have, but decades,
Speaker 2: it's been decades and decades.
Speaker 1: Yeah to how long since you've been drunk, give or take.
Speaker 1: Did you get drunk on your birthday?
Speaker 3: I definitely didn't. I haven't been drunk for a long time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, nothing good happens when you're drunk. We call
Speaker 3: her Francesca and we put her to bed years ago.
Speaker 1: Who's that drunk you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a whole different beast. Really, she has no
Speaker 3: business in any of my life.
Speaker 1: Tell us about Francesca.
Speaker 3: She's just wild, you know. She comes out of the bamboo.
Speaker 3: She's everybody's best friend. She's excited. She's like a two
Speaker 3: year old that someone's given a packet of red jelly
Speaker 3: beans too, and then just let loose.
Speaker 2: She is. If I've met you, you don't need alcohol, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel a little bit the same. I'm like,
Speaker 1: imagine me and booze, or me and drugs that like,
Speaker 1: I'm a nightmare. Anyway.
Speaker 2: I had somebody take me aside one day and make
Speaker 2: me promise that I would never take speed. I wouldn't,
Speaker 2: but they make me promise that, not for any other reason,
Speaker 2: but they couldn't imagine me being more hyper than I
Speaker 2: am now, and they felt that it would probably be scary.
Speaker 1: Do you not drink coffee? You don't drink coffee, do you, mate?
Speaker 2: I do. I might have maybe two or three cups
Speaker 2: a week. I don't drink it every day.
Speaker 1: No, Well that's a little bit of a stimulant. All right,
Speaker 1: What are we talking about today technology. Let's open that door,
Speaker 1: just take us into the wonderland that is your safe space.
Speaker 2: Well, I was just going to say, we started off
Speaker 2: chatting about how cathartic. I was sitting here patting my
Speaker 2: dog and I just figured that, I mean, we've all
Speaker 2: known that, you know, having animals around can be cathartic. Well, Liss,
Speaker 2: it's a cat that kind of attacks you. But aside
Speaker 2: from that, there have been some new studies and what
Speaker 2: they're saying now is they've done some They definitively got
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty two under graduates around the age
Speaker 2: of eighteen and older and they were experiencing what they
Speaker 2: were saying was moderate to high stress. So the research
Speaker 2: is then collected and we're talking full on so saliva, fecal,
Speaker 2: matter of you know, they did. This was whole biological
Speaker 2: everything tests. And then what they did was they got
Speaker 2: they got these people to interact with dogs, and we're
Speaker 2: talking a discernible change in their stress levels, even seeing
Speaker 2: the dog come towards them, finding out the dog's name,
Speaker 2: and then of course petting the dog, interacting, playing with
Speaker 2: the dog, throwing a ball, giving the dog a treat.
Speaker 2: And we're talking massive amounts of a change biologically during
Speaker 2: that interaction. So even just looking at smile or smiling
Speaker 2: at the dog, calling the dog's name, stress levels dropped,
Speaker 2: they decreased. And again this was proven and discernible thirty
Speaker 2: three point five percent.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So that's amazing. So if you've if you've got a dog,
Speaker 2: but you've got a friend, so Crago, you could just
Speaker 2: go to TIFF's place and Luna just give Luna a
Speaker 2: bit of a pat and maybe.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. I'm very excited about finishing my study
Speaker 1: because I'm getting I've just been. I've been every third day.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's it. I'm getting a German shepherd. No,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a spooed. I'm getting a whipp it. Somebody
Speaker 1: told me a shorthired something visla this morning. Oh Murray,
Speaker 1: who I said every morning is like, no, you've got
Speaker 1: to get a girl, the female vistla or and they're
Speaker 1: like a ready brown beautiful. They are so beautiful. And
Speaker 1: so you know, that's my thing today. But tomorrow I'll
Speaker 1: be getting a fucking you know, a wolf or something.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, but I'm yeah, I love dogs,
Speaker 1: but I think the interesting thing Patrick about all this
Speaker 1: stuff is too not everyone loves dogs. So you bring
Speaker 1: a dog into a room that there are some cultures
Speaker 1: that don't embrace dogs as pets as much as other
Speaker 1: cultures do, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well observably, and I have Indian friends, and I've noticed
Speaker 2: that when you get a courier come to the door,
Speaker 2: and I guess couriers and posters are always apprehensive about dogs.
Speaker 2: But I've found that there are certainly Indian people tend
Speaker 2: to embrace dogs less when they don't know. I guess
Speaker 2: it's good for everybody to be wary of any dog
Speaker 2: that they don't know on their home turf, particularly, I mean,
Speaker 2: Fritz might lick you to death. But as a rule,
Speaker 2: dogs can be territorial and they're guarding the pack, so
Speaker 2: you've got to be careful. I guess posts and couriers
Speaker 2: can see the worst in dogs too. Mind you, we
Speaker 2: had a local poster who was friends with every single dog,
Speaker 2: and he always had a good thing to say, and
Speaker 2: so the dogs loved him, so that the dogs will
Speaker 2: be wagging their tails waiting for the post he come around.
Speaker 2: So there's, you know, one little stigma that actually isn't.
Speaker 2: Really It's great to see posters who actually love their dogs.
Speaker 2: But I think that I could see I'm trying to
Speaker 2: visualize the dog that I would see with Crago, And
Speaker 2: you know, I wouldn't be surprised if you've got a chihuahua,
Speaker 2: because then you could you you could fly, You could
Speaker 2: put it in your pocket, and you could drive your
Speaker 2: motorbike and it could be sitting in a little napsack
Speaker 2: around you. You know, I could your bum bag. See
Speaker 2: it would fit in your bum bag that you always have.
Speaker 2: Did you reckon tiff I reckon Jack Russell? Oh? Jack Russell?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you know what? I know? You're trying to
Speaker 1: bait me. That's okay, I'm open. I might get a
Speaker 1: Chihuahua or a Jack Russell. I love all dogs. I
Speaker 1: could put a Chihuahua in the pocket of my cargoes
Speaker 1: and his little head could just pop out the side.
Speaker 1: That would be do you know what I want to
Speaker 1: tell you? So I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 1: but and the I'm ninety eight percent sure about this research,
Speaker 1: so don't exactly quote me. But dogs are I think
Speaker 1: the only animal that produce oxytocin the love hormone like
Speaker 1: humans do, as in when they're around their humans. That
Speaker 1: could be total bullshit, but I know that they definitely
Speaker 1: do produce it, whether or not other animals do. I
Speaker 1: guess I feel like elephants would fuck I'd love an elephant.
Speaker 2: Dolphins would that? Dolphins? I could fuck it. You know, dolphins,
Speaker 2: they probably love you too, wouldn't they?
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I don't know, but elephants fuck.
Speaker 1: Elephants are smart. Have you ever seen I saw this
Speaker 1: footage gest and we'll get onto tech in a moment.
Speaker 1: But there was this was recently at a zoo. There
Speaker 1: was an earthquake. Might have been California or somewhere and
Speaker 1: in the or San Diego, might have been in the anyway,
Speaker 1: they've got this big elephant enclosure. Now, all these elephants
Speaker 1: are obviously in captivity. There was an earthquake, all the
Speaker 1: elephants got around the little elephants, So the big ones
Speaker 1: and they all stand in a circle facing outwards with
Speaker 1: all the little elephants in the middle to protect the
Speaker 1: middle elephants. Little elephants because they don't know what's coming.
Speaker 1: But whoever taught them more trained than this? Right? And
Speaker 1: then so there's this circle of elephants like with their
Speaker 1: bums in the middle and their faces and trunks out
Speaker 1: and all the little ones being protected by all the
Speaker 1: big ones. And the earthquake started and they all assembled
Speaker 1: and got in this position within fifteen twenty seconds. How
Speaker 1: fucking clever. We think we're smart. Fuck and el animals
Speaker 1: are so smart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be worried though if there was an earthquake
Speaker 2: in the first thing you did was turn around and
Speaker 2: shove your bub in my face.
Speaker 1: Well, that would be to protect you, my little elephant.
Speaker 1: So as you just keep your trunk to yourself while
Speaker 1: we're in that position, things will be good.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You remember what the elephants said to the bloke at
Speaker 2: the nudist colony, who cute? Can you pick up peanuts
Speaker 2: with it? It's a text, isn't it.
Speaker 1: No, it's not well at out tip. That's terrible. No,
Speaker 1: I don't leave it then it Let him suffer, all right?
Speaker 1: Come on, tell us about technology and science and stuff
Speaker 1: in the future.
Speaker 2: Health on the health side of it. Let's stick with
Speaker 2: the health stuff. This is really fascinating because obviously, when
Speaker 2: you have surgery, it's very invasive, and scientists now think
Speaker 2: that they're able to print three D tissue, So they're
Speaker 2: able to inject a solution into your body and then
Speaker 2: directly print into your body with no surgery, using ultrasound
Speaker 2: waves so to form an object. So say you were
Speaker 2: doing a repair, you don't actually open the body up,
Speaker 2: you inject this solution in and then using sound waves
Speaker 2: to three D print using that audio at different levels,
Speaker 2: and you can create a three dimensional object inside the body.
Speaker 2: That blew my mind when I saw that. That would
Speaker 2: be amazing. Wouldn't it to be able to do that?
Speaker 2: So say you're replacing a joints and you had, you know,
Speaker 2: you kind of clean out the cartilage and you've got
Speaker 2: you know, you could potentially inject into the knee joint
Speaker 2: and then rebuild sections of it using this three D
Speaker 2: printing technology inside the actual.
Speaker 1: Joint without even making an incision. Yeah, like where stuff's going.
Speaker 1: I saw this thing yesterday, This fourteen year old kid, right,
Speaker 1: I think he was an Indian kid. He invented this
Speaker 1: app that goes into your phone that monitors your heart
Speaker 1: right and it can diagnose I think it's forty cardiac
Speaker 1: medical conditions or forty one or forty two with ninety
Speaker 1: six percent accuracy, right, And what they were saying is
Speaker 1: compared to the average accuracy by medical professionals looking at
Speaker 1: whatever is fifty six and this is like ninety odd percent.
Speaker 1: So it's incredibly more accurate, more reliable. But just as
Speaker 1: a kid, yeah, fourteen year old kid, and he's I've
Speaker 1: got this footage of him doing basically a presentation to
Speaker 1: all these people about how it works. Yeah, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think we can fully understand or
Speaker 1: grasp what's coming. And I think it's exponential. I think
Speaker 1: AI and all the myriad of you know, things that
Speaker 1: are going to be possible, like even even now, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Like a friend of mine messaged me that's in Singapore
Speaker 1: and they had to get they're staying at a hotel
Speaker 1: in Singapore and they had to get some clothes washed.
Speaker 1: So they rang room service and said such and such
Speaker 1: need some shit washed, and they went sure, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I forget. The name will be up in a moment.
Speaker 1: And then in a moment the her phone rang or
Speaker 1: the text rang and said such and such as at
Speaker 1: your door. She goes to the door. It's a robot, right,
Speaker 1: and so she opens this thing, puts her thing in
Speaker 1: the thing, and the robot takes off, and then the
Speaker 1: robot comes back like four hours later with I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's yeah, that's not a trial, that's just what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Incidentally, just staying on this one, this is
Speaker 2: a California Institute of Technology, and it's called deep tissue
Speaker 2: in vivo sound printing. So disp dis is what it is.
Speaker 2: But they've done these exp I haven't done any human
Speaker 2: being yet, but they've done it in a rabbit's stomach
Speaker 2: and a mouse's bladder, and they are able to fabricate
Speaker 2: without any surgical intervention at all. They were able to
Speaker 2: fabricate using sound technology and three D print internally. That's
Speaker 2: great stuff, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Ah? Well, I mean the main the main problem with surgery,
Speaker 1: or one of the main problems, is the trauma that's
Speaker 1: caused through cutting through all the tissue. So we eliminate that. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah cool. Hey are you guys readers? I mean you obviously,
Speaker 2: for what you do, Craigo, you've got to do a
Speaker 2: lot of reading. I listen to audio books and I
Speaker 2: do obviously pick up books every now and again as well,
Speaker 2: But and it's interesting what goes on in our brain
Speaker 2: when we read, and there's more research going into that.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because I you know, if you have
Speaker 2: like I mean, I read every day, and what we're
Speaker 2: now finding is that you know, letters, words, sentences, and texts,
Speaker 2: whether you're reading aloud or just silently reading, your brain
Speaker 2: is doing some amazing stuff when you put it all together,
Speaker 2: and being lost in a book can can just change
Speaker 2: your brain chemistry and it's it's it's amazing. So science
Speaker 2: really doesn't know what goes on about you know, your
Speaker 2: brain when you transform those letters on a page into
Speaker 2: words or you visualize something. So there is more studies
Speaker 2: going on now into what actually does happen when we
Speaker 2: pick up a book and you know, you're transported to
Speaker 2: another location if you think about reading, you know, say
Speaker 2: you're really in depth into a personal motivation type book
Speaker 2: and you start to feel that almost euphoric sense of
Speaker 2: you know, being monivated. You want to get out there
Speaker 2: and exercise, or you want to get out there and
Speaker 2: start doing all the things as it's suggesting or for me,
Speaker 2: you know, as a fan, as someone who loves fantasy
Speaker 2: and sci fi, being transported and visualizing that place and
Speaker 2: the place, you know, wherever it happens to be that
Speaker 2: you're you know you're thinking about in that book, particularly
Speaker 2: in sci fi and fantasy, because the terms of reference
Speaker 2: are slightly different. You know, you're creating a world in
Speaker 2: your mind in what the author is thinking, or even
Speaker 2: getting into the head of an author. You know, that
Speaker 2: blows me away when you read a book that was
Speaker 2: written two hundred years ago and the concept and the
Speaker 2: thoughts and the words that someone's put on a page
Speaker 2: is brought back to life in your brain. So it
Speaker 2: makes sense that they're kind of researching what's going on,
Speaker 2: and you know, whether it's short form or long form.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people now and I see
Speaker 2: this as a frightening thought that a lot of young
Speaker 2: people tend to not have that focus to read anymore.
Speaker 2: They're stimulated by TikTok videos that go fifteen seconds, you know,
Speaker 2: as opposed to sitting down and really, you know, diving
Speaker 2: into a book. I was walking with my friend yesterday
Speaker 2: who's a big listener to the show, and she said
Speaker 2: she's reading three books at once. I can only read
Speaker 2: one book at a time. What about you, guys? Can
Speaker 2: you read more than one book at any time.
Speaker 1: I'm a listener. Was I was an avid reader for
Speaker 1: you is like physically holding a book obviously, because we
Speaker 1: didn't have audio books, and people are going to go,
Speaker 1: people are going to think, how on earth do you
Speaker 1: have time for this? But in my like in my
Speaker 1: walking hours, I listened to books. Right, So this morning
Speaker 1: I was up at quarter to six walking listening to
Speaker 1: a book. And I've listened to ten books in the
Speaker 1: last twelve weeks. Yeah, so, yeah, So I consume lots
Speaker 1: of content. And I've never and I've said this once
Speaker 1: before on the show, but I've never really consumed fiction.
Speaker 1: Not interested. It's all got to be you know, data
Speaker 1: information da. And then I said to myself, you're a
Speaker 1: boring fuck. Just listen to something for the sake of
Speaker 1: list you don't not everything's got to be a fucking
Speaker 1: learning moment, right, And so I listened to this book
Speaker 1: that was recommended called The Gray Man, and which is
Speaker 1: about the world's best assassin who's got a moral compass.
Speaker 1: Of course it is, and of course he has, and
Speaker 1: of course I'm interested, right, And now I'm up to
Speaker 1: I'm currently listening to book ten and great love it
Speaker 1: I love the audio books.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm at book eight of a series I only
Speaker 2: started about two weeks ago because I just plow through them,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm doing, cause I'm walking, Fritz. But
Speaker 2: the interesting thing with this study was that reading activates
Speaker 2: the left hemisphere, so that's the language center of the brain.
Speaker 2: Letters and text reading engage the visual and motor areas
Speaker 2: of the brain, and words and sentence reading activate language,
Speaker 2: classic language what they call language clusters also in the
Speaker 2: left hemisphere. And they didn't know this, but the cerebellum
Speaker 2: has never really been thought of to be engaged when
Speaker 2: you know, we're reading. And in fact, the right cellar
Speaker 2: about cerebellum is active in all types of reading, and
Speaker 2: that's out loud reading, so with speech production. And then
Speaker 2: the left side of the cerebellum is more active during
Speaker 2: the word reading, like you know, you know, when we're
Speaker 2: trying to get concepts, So we're trying to get meaning
Speaker 2: out of whatever it is that we're reading, you know,
Speaker 2: when we're thinking, really concentrating from focusing really closely on
Speaker 2: whatever it is we're trying to make sense of.
Speaker 1: M It's interesting because you can read the same thing,
Speaker 1: but it won't you and I can read the same thing,
Speaker 1: but it won't produce the same neurological response in the brain,
Speaker 1: or biochemical response or emotional response, because there's like the
Speaker 1: variable with everything is how you interpret things or how
Speaker 1: you know, Like with food, it's how your biology interacts
Speaker 1: with that food or that drug. And then with like
Speaker 1: what we would call, you know, content or you know,
Speaker 1: cognitive input or data or information. Yeah, it's how how
Speaker 1: you respond and interact with that as well.
Speaker 2: But I was we've been involved through my business, so
Speaker 2: we've we've been involved recently in an amazing organization and
Speaker 2: a horse welfare organization called Project Hope, and they rescue horses.
Speaker 2: Their members take the horses on that have been neglected
Speaker 2: or abused or whatever, and I have the real privilege
Speaker 2: of working with them to do their annual report. I've
Speaker 2: just done their third annual report. But there was one
Speaker 2: I don't know and I don't know whether it was
Speaker 2: a vulnerability at the time, but my colleague Robert was
Speaker 2: in the office and it was early in the morning.
Speaker 2: We just started work and I picked up the document
Speaker 2: and I was pulling images in so the clients had,
Speaker 2: you know, put a whole lot of images of horses
Speaker 2: they've rescued, and there was one picture of a horse
Speaker 2: and I'm not even going to describe what had happened
Speaker 2: to it, but I actually walked away from the computer
Speaker 2: and started crying. It was so it may have just
Speaker 2: been a vulnerable moment for me and seeing an animal
Speaker 2: and distress or seeing anything in distress, but I was
Speaker 2: so taken aback from seeing that. You don't just see
Speaker 2: the physical you know, you know what that horse is
Speaker 2: going through physically in terms of what you're seeing on
Speaker 2: the page, but your brain takes you to the scenario
Speaker 2: as well, so the pain that might be associated with
Speaker 2: the you know, the neglect that may have been associated
Speaker 2: with so our brains work in a really amazing way,
Speaker 2: so we're not just looking at a picture and feeling distressed.
Speaker 2: I went to a totally different place where I started
Speaker 2: seeing more than just that, and it was you know,
Speaker 2: and we talked about it. I talked about it to
Speaker 2: the clients because you know, they're celebrating fifty years of
Speaker 2: rescuing animals, rescuing horses, and you know the amount of
Speaker 2: horses over the years that have been rescued through this organization,
Speaker 2: and it's staggering that. You know, we thought, well, I've
Speaker 2: always had a challenge with putting those sorts of confronting
Speaker 2: images into their annual report. But the reality of it
Speaker 2: is you've got to show both. You know, it's great
Speaker 2: to see all these horses that have been rescued, but
Speaker 2: when you see the neglect as a contrast, like the
Speaker 2: before and after, it's very very powerful. So the written
Speaker 2: word or the visuals can take our brain down a
Speaker 2: real rabbit hole and can can really be emotional. I've
Speaker 2: set on trams before reading a book laughing out loud,
Speaker 2: you know, so you know, those sorts of as you
Speaker 2: said before Crago, I can read something and be moved
Speaker 2: by it. I don't know if we've spoken this about
Speaker 2: this on the show. You know, it was the best
Speaker 2: of times, it was the worst of times. I think.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we've quoted that from A Tale of Two Cities.
Speaker 2: You know, some of these profound written dialogue. Ever, you know,
Speaker 2: it's such an amazingly moving, you know, opening paragraph. When
Speaker 2: you think about, you know, an opening sentence to a book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you raise an interesting point, and this is kind
Speaker 1: of off topic for tech, but it's a philosophical and
Speaker 1: I think it's like an ethical and a moral issue.
Speaker 1: So there's a podcast which I'm happy to promote good podcasts.
Speaker 1: There's a guy called Sean Ryan who's an ex Navy
Speaker 1: seal blah blah blah, but quite a deep, deep thinking,
Speaker 1: like to me, a really good human And he had
Speaker 1: a guy on called Tim Tebow yesterday other day before,
Speaker 1: who's the next Heisman Trophy winner, which just means he
Speaker 1: was the best college football player regarded maybe ever went on,
Speaker 1: played in the NFL, didn't really crush it, but just
Speaker 1: a good human being. And he's been renowned as just
Speaker 1: this good dude. And he started this thing highlighting all
Speaker 1: of this stuff around child exploitation and all the stuff
Speaker 1: that I don't even really want to mention, but you
Speaker 1: can imagine, right, And I just saw these two on
Speaker 1: a clip yesterday. It came up and they were talking
Speaker 1: and like it is, so it makes me so sad
Speaker 1: for the children. It makes me so fucking angry at
Speaker 1: the people that do this shit, right, And I just
Speaker 1: I was nearly going to turn off because I I
Speaker 1: almost can't cope, right, I don't. I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: And then and then Tim Tebow said when he starts
Speaker 1: to tell he starts to talk. A lot of people go, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know. I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: I've got children, I don't don't tell me, right, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is because that's it. I don't even
Speaker 1: have children. And it fucking that. There's so many emotions
Speaker 1: that that brings up in me. And I think to
Speaker 1: your point about the horses, of course, and then all
Speaker 1: of the other myriad of horrible things, domestic violence against women,
Speaker 1: you know, all of the fucking horrible things, as painful
Speaker 1: and as it as uncomfortable as it is, we need
Speaker 1: to fucking throw the door open. And I think, I
Speaker 1: hate looking at it, but I think, and then you go, okay,
Speaker 1: well now I know this. What can I do? Can
Speaker 1: I do anything? I know I can't turn it around,
Speaker 1: but can I do anything? And I think one of them, sorry,
Speaker 1: one of the you know, one of the opportunities that
Speaker 1: social media presents, if used in the right way, is
Speaker 1: that we can shine a light on some of this
Speaker 1: dark shit that happens and maybe do some good that way.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite favorite quotes is by an author
Speaker 2: by the name of Edmund Or. It's attributed to Edmund
Speaker 2: Burke and it says the only thing necessary for triumph,
Speaker 2: for the for triumph of evil is for good men
Speaker 2: to do nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I quite that all the time.
Speaker 2: It's so amazing, is it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all it's necessary for evil to triumph is
Speaker 1: for good men to do nothing. Yeah. It's like it's
Speaker 1: so true. It's so and it's like almost like not
Speaker 1: my problem, you know, not my problem. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: stop being a selfish prick because some people, some people
Speaker 1: can't look after themselves. Some people just need other people
Speaker 1: to fucking help, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so that took.
Speaker 2: A philosophical I know, I didn't kind of know where
Speaker 2: to go with that.
Speaker 1: I think that's okay. Not every moment on a podcast
Speaker 1: needs to be comfortable or cheesy or fun, you know.
Speaker 1: I just think like, and the three of us all
Speaker 1: have a small voice in a fucking ocean of voices,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you've got to go, yeah, okay, well this
Speaker 1: is where we are. But what do you think you know?
Speaker 2: So, yeah, definitely no problem there. I was. I know
Speaker 2: that because you both are in the fitness world, I
Speaker 2: often think about you know, real age, biological age, you
Speaker 2: know what what does it mean as we get older
Speaker 2: and you know, how do we know whether we're doing well,
Speaker 2: whether we're on track, and you know, we're doing all
Speaker 2: the right things for our body. I remember reading a
Speaker 2: study and I tell my tai chies students this all
Speaker 2: the time that when you get over the age of fifty,
Speaker 2: it's it's fairly well documented that doing twenty minutes of
Speaker 2: really vigorous exercise and say doing twenty minutes of something
Speaker 2: like meditation, tai chi yoga can be just as beneficial.
Speaker 2: So over a certain age, we don't have to you know,
Speaker 2: knock ourselves out and go super hard. Not that that's
Speaker 2: a bad thing, but you know, doing some form of
Speaker 2: exercise is really important. But there's an interesting little article
Speaker 2: that I read and I thought, oh, you know, it
Speaker 2: was talking about how to measure, you know, your fitness level,
Speaker 2: and one of the things they talk about was grip strength.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard that how grip strength actually says
Speaker 2: a whole lot about how the rest of your body
Speaker 2: is functioning and how on track you are. Have you
Speaker 2: have you heard that one? Kraigo?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a standard mate, Yep, that's fairly
Speaker 1: well known. Yeah. Also stride length. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of things, but grip strength is a is an
Speaker 1: indicator for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the interesting thing is that you don't have
Speaker 2: to because there are obviously you know, you can. What's
Speaker 2: the measurement? How do you the device you use for
Speaker 2: measuring grip? It's a dynamometer, Yeah, it's yeah, but it's pounds.
Speaker 2: It's like pounds of force, I think, yep. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: this little article I was reading recently was talking about
Speaker 2: just grabbing a tennis ball and how long you can
Speaker 2: compress and hold the tennis ball. And then the other
Speaker 2: thing was if you go to a pull up bar
Speaker 2: and just hang from the pull up bar, how long
Speaker 2: you can hang from the pull up bar is another
Speaker 2: one as well, just to measure it, and I think
Speaker 2: for women it's over thirty seconds or thirty to forty seconds,
Speaker 2: and for men it's over sixty seconds. So if you
Speaker 2: can just hang for over sixty seconds as a bloke
Speaker 2: or thirty to forty seconds as a woman, then that
Speaker 2: says that you know you're doing pretty well. So just
Speaker 2: a little simple test you can do at home, But
Speaker 2: that fascinates me. I mean, I don't know that I'm
Speaker 2: obsessed by it. But I you know, obviously I'm in
Speaker 2: a room of people when I talk about a room,
Speaker 2: a virtual room of people who are pretty focused on
Speaker 2: staying healthy and looking good as they grace as they
Speaker 2: age gracefully, and doing all the right things or trying
Speaker 2: to do the right things. So it is something I guess,
Speaker 2: you know, the people who listen to the podcast to
Speaker 2: listen to the You Project tend to be from my
Speaker 2: understanding and interaction when I see the Facebook group and
Speaker 2: the chats that people have, it's people who get motivated
Speaker 2: and like to be motivated to maybe have a better
Speaker 2: thought process or do better with their lives, look for
Speaker 2: ways to be motivated.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like people who pick up books on motivation. You know,
Speaker 2: why do we back them up in the first place,
Speaker 2: Because we want to do better. We want to be better,
Speaker 2: we want our lives to be better. And for me,
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, technology does that. You know.
Speaker 2: I love that we can use tech and make our
Speaker 2: lives better. And you know, I know that you use
Speaker 2: chat GPT and some of the prompts and chat GPT,
Speaker 2: and actually that kind of opens to the to the
Speaker 2: little topic I wanted to chat about is for people
Speaker 2: who do use chat GPT, the prompts you use. And
Speaker 2: I have this funny story. So this week I went
Speaker 2: to the local super market and the I started, you know,
Speaker 2: take took my stuff to the register and they started
Speaker 2: scanning through the stuff and then I had mean, I
Speaker 2: think I had like a carrot and some szucchini and
Speaker 2: some other bits and pieces. But when they went to
Speaker 2: weigh them, there was something wrong with the scales and
Speaker 2: they could meet. They could weigh it, but it wasn't
Speaker 2: translating to their first their pose system, the port of
Speaker 2: sales system, And so the woman was standing there. We
Speaker 2: went to a different register. She put the stuff on
Speaker 2: the scales, it still wouldn't interact. And then the senior
Speaker 2: lady there said, we'll work out what it is per
Speaker 2: kilo and you know, and try to work it out.
Speaker 2: So if a carrot is three dollars sixty akilo and
Speaker 2: you've got a one hundred and sixty gram carrot, try
Speaker 2: to work it out. And of course the first thing
Speaker 2: I did was I just jumped on the chat GPT
Speaker 2: on my phone and like all the girls were all
Speaker 2: just looking dumbfounded. It's like, how did we work that out,
Speaker 2: and I don't think off the top of my head,
Speaker 2: I probably could have worked it out without Jack GBT.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, full transparency here. Chat CHPT did
Speaker 2: it for me. And so there I am standing at
Speaker 2: the cash register going through and we were working out
Speaker 2: you know, if I have a carrot and it's one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty grams and it costs you know, three
Speaker 2: dollars sixty a kilo, what is my carrot worth? You know?
Speaker 2: And it was kind of fun that we sold our
Speaker 2: little problem using chat GPT in a practical sense, but
Speaker 2: some of the prompts you put into chat GPT can
Speaker 2: be really interesting. So if you've got a.
Speaker 1: Ton I tell you, can I tell you for future use? Yeah,
Speaker 1: go for it, go three sixty times point one six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for that. It was easier with chat.
Speaker 1: T Nah, not really, not really.
Speaker 2: No, Actually it was interesting. Chat GPT not only gave
Speaker 2: me the answer, but it showed me how to do it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but yeah, so creating a better to do list?
Speaker 2: So what you know, this this is an article that
Speaker 2: I was reading and it was just kind of giving
Speaker 2: you some prompts that you can use for AI to
Speaker 2: try to you know, streamline what you do. So obviously
Speaker 2: summarizing documents is fantastic. If you have a document, throw
Speaker 2: it in there and just say, can you just give
Speaker 2: me a one paragraph overview of what this document is.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't necessarily mean you're getting get to do
Speaker 2: all the work for you, but it could be things
Speaker 2: as simple as you know, one of my staff recently
Speaker 2: sent out an email that had a lot of errors
Speaker 2: in it, and so you know, it had already gone
Speaker 2: out to the client. He'd copied me in and it
Speaker 2: felt a little bit uncomfortable to have the conversation. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm a grown purse, grown man, but I said to him, look,
Speaker 2: just run it through chat GPT, get chat GPT to
Speaker 2: check for errors and look for formatting. And that's not cheating.
Speaker 2: You've already done all the hard yards. You've got all
Speaker 2: the data in there and all the information. But it
Speaker 2: can be really good. So but creating a smarter to
Speaker 2: do list, I love that idea where it will prioritize,
Speaker 2: so you put your list of things in and then
Speaker 2: it helps you think about how to prioritize, and sometimes
Speaker 2: that can just take a little bit of that emotional
Speaker 2: burden off I don't know about you. When I've got
Speaker 2: my list of things that I need to do for
Speaker 2: the day, it can be a bit overwhelming. So tackling
Speaker 2: the right thing at the right time, I reckon that's
Speaker 2: a great idea for using something like you know, chet GPT,
Speaker 2: or even just troubleshooting a problem, you know, saying well,
Speaker 2: how can I tackle this? What's the best way around.
Speaker 2: I had to write a bereavement note recently and I
Speaker 2: actually wrote down, you know, I started penning my thoughts
Speaker 2: and then I actually asked chat GPT about the best
Speaker 2: way to send this bereavement message and it actually helped.
Speaker 2: You know, it draws from what they call a large
Speaker 2: language model, so the AI has been trained on a
Speaker 2: whole lot of information, so we can take all that
Speaker 2: info put it all together. And it really helped because
Speaker 2: I find that conversation, that dialogue for somebody who's just
Speaker 2: lost someone can be really difficult. And it's happened in
Speaker 2: two instances, one where someone quite young in their thirties
Speaker 2: died suddenly, and the other was a close friend of
Speaker 2: mine who had a partner, a previous partner they'd broken
Speaker 2: up with, but he committed suicide and so you know,
Speaker 2: how do you message somebody and not cause further grief?
Speaker 2: You know, you want to support the person, And I
Speaker 2: find that really difficult. I think I'm pretty good. I'm
Speaker 2: a good wordsmith and I'm good at writing stuff. But
Speaker 2: just having a little bit of helpful oversight from a
Speaker 2: large language model like chat CHAPT I find really really useful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're just starting to understand the scope
Speaker 1: for and there's a really common concern at the moment
Speaker 1: that we're going to become dumber, it's going to hijack here.
Speaker 1: I don't think that at all. I think like I
Speaker 1: use I use Claude, which is a more academic focused LLM,
Speaker 1: andat GPT as well for different things. Obviously not to
Speaker 1: do my work in terms of my PhD, but where
Speaker 1: I can I can plug in something and say, you know,
Speaker 1: I can plug in someone else's article and say give
Speaker 1: me the three key takeaways from this, or I can say,
Speaker 1: explain this article to me as though I'm a fourteen
Speaker 1: year old who doesn't understand science, and it'll do it instantly.
Speaker 1: Like it really comes down to, like you go, all right,
Speaker 1: a kitchen knife as a tool, a pushbike as a tool,
Speaker 1: you know, an la LAMB, a large learning model or
Speaker 1: AI is a tool. It really comes down to how
Speaker 1: we use it and people who are terrified of it. One.
Speaker 1: I understand that because new things can be terrifying. But
Speaker 1: to figure out I was talking to my friend Christian
Speaker 1: last night at the gym. TI. If you know Christian, tall,
Speaker 1: goofy Christian, and God bless him. He's a great man.
Speaker 1: You know him as well. He used to work at harp.
Speaker 2: Yeah I do, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And Christian's dyslexic and that's not a you know, that's
Speaker 1: just you know, it's like he's six foot four and
Speaker 1: he's also dyslexic, right, It's just part of who he is.
Speaker 1: And I was explaining to him, you know, for somebody
Speaker 1: like him to just be able to talk rather than
Speaker 1: write or even and so he doesn't use it. And
Speaker 1: so I got it out in the gym and I said,
Speaker 1: look at this. So I just pressed it and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, it explained to me the difference between spiritually
Speaker 1: and religion, because he's quite spiritual. He's going down this
Speaker 1: big spiritual rabbit and it's like, noa, I go ask
Speaker 1: it anything you want, And he asked it a question,
Speaker 1: I go, by the way, this is Christian, and it goes, oh,
Speaker 1: hi Christian, great question, and then it answers and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: just talk to it. But it will answer anything you want.
Speaker 1: You don't have to read, you don't have to type.
Speaker 1: All you've got to do is be able to talk.
Speaker 1: It will talk back to you. And by the way,
Speaker 1: whatever it says to you, there's also a written version
Speaker 1: if you do want to happen to cut and paste
Speaker 1: that into a document or something. And so where you
Speaker 1: like I said to it the other day, over the
Speaker 1: next two years, I want to develop you know, this, this, this, this, this,
Speaker 1: and this, Like there's there's academic stuff, there's podcast stuff,
Speaker 1: there's business, there's corporate, there's you know, there's all these
Speaker 1: different components to what I want to do be create
Speaker 1: over the next two years. And it's like, can you
Speaker 1: help me plan this? And it's like absolutely, And then
Speaker 1: it just comes up with all these brilliant like you're
Speaker 1: sitting with a high end business coach, and then it says,
Speaker 1: would you like me to unpack any of these? I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: this bit here, what do you mean by that? Can
Speaker 1: you un And then it goes absolutely. I mean, all
Speaker 1: you need to do, need to know is how to
Speaker 1: best interact with it. It's I mean this is people
Speaker 1: are scared of it. I think people should be excited.
Speaker 1: I think AI taking over down the track when it
Speaker 1: becomes sentient, which will be about next Thursday. That's a
Speaker 1: different matter.
Speaker 2: One of the things I'm always mindful of is what
Speaker 2: I'm fing into AI because obviously there's privacy concerns. But
Speaker 2: if you're using the free version of chatchpt and you
Speaker 2: don't log into it as long as so, for example,
Speaker 2: you might have a medical report that you wanted to
Speaker 2: look at, you could paste all you know. I recently
Speaker 2: went to my GP, I got my annual blood test
Speaker 2: done being vegan, and I'm already is always mindful that
Speaker 2: I've got the right nuxperience and that I'm tracking okay.
Speaker 2: And you know, the doctor said to me, this is great.
Speaker 2: You know your figures are really really good. But I
Speaker 2: could potentially put all of those in, but use it
Speaker 2: without logging in, and don't put all your personal details.
Speaker 2: Just put the results so it's not going to attribute
Speaker 2: that to you. If you're concerned, I've got to tell
Speaker 2: you one very quick quote we're talking quotes before. All
Speaker 2: you have to decide is what to do with the
Speaker 2: time that is given to you. Who said that?
Speaker 1: I do not know, but I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 1: I quite like it, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I actually have that printed in my office. It was
Speaker 2: Gandalf from the Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say Gandy, but okay.
Speaker 2: It's like it's a great quote though, isn't it.
Speaker 1: You know what Gandy said and you're not. One of
Speaker 1: his most famous quotes be the change you want to
Speaker 1: see in the world. Yeah, yeah, a little better than Gandalf,
Speaker 1: but yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the most inspiring piece perpose people I ever
Speaker 2: saw was attending a talk being given by the Dalai Lama.
Speaker 2: Now there's a bloke. There's a bloke who who has
Speaker 2: the magical qualities of Gandalf. He was he was pretty
Speaker 2: amazing to see.
Speaker 1: Do you and I go to that together or no?
Speaker 1: Because I saw him as.
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if we did. He has an amazing
Speaker 2: giggle as well. And you know the other cool thing
Speaker 2: is that we we we share the same birthday, not
Speaker 2: the same birth year, but the same birth day.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, out to the Dalai Lama. If he listening.
Speaker 1: I know he's a big fan. He doesn't catch every episode.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's right, I.
Speaker 1: Think mainly yours. Let's do one or two more, mate.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you about another AI story because this kind
Speaker 2: of freaked me out, and I'm not until entirely sure
Speaker 2: that I think it's a good idea. But we've heard
Speaker 2: about digital resurrections where you take a whole lot of
Speaker 2: footage of somebody who's died and then you get AI
Speaker 2: to generate an artificial version of that person. It could
Speaker 2: be them saying something. This is really full on. So
Speaker 2: a murder victim has addressed his killer in a court
Speaker 2: thanks to AI resurrection. Okay, So there's the sister of
Speaker 2: this guy who who was murdered. Stacy Wales used AI
Speaker 2: to generate a video of her brother Christopher, and she
Speaker 2: actually got she was able to play this artificial version
Speaker 2: of him to the courtroom in the final sentence because
Speaker 2: he was killed in a road rage incident. This is
Speaker 2: in Arizona, and this is reported on NPR. And she said, look,
Speaker 2: the struggle, the thing she struggled with. This court case
Speaker 2: went over two years, and she said, what she struggled
Speaker 2: with the most was that he didn't get to say,
Speaker 2: he didn't get a chance to speak. So it motivated her.
Speaker 2: Just woke up one day and thought, I've got footage
Speaker 2: of him. I've got some real video of him. I
Speaker 2: want him to address and I want people to know
Speaker 2: who he was. It wasn't. The thing is the interesting
Speaker 2: thing about this artificial version of him, this AI generated version,
Speaker 2: was it wasn't about having a go at the person
Speaker 2: who killed him. In fact, it was the opposite. It
Speaker 2: was he would have tried to show some sort of sympathy.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It was actually quite an amazing generated you know. I
Speaker 2: watched the little video clip and it was it was
Speaker 2: pretty full on to watch this AI video clip. But
Speaker 2: it concerns me that you could do that in a
Speaker 2: court case. And I don't know what the legal systems
Speaker 2: like in the US. And you know, because they have
Speaker 2: what they call the victim impact statements, and so she
Speaker 2: was entered in as the victim impact statement from the
Speaker 2: victim themselves. I think it opens up a big can
Speaker 2: of worms because you're giving voice to something. And as
Speaker 2: I said, this was an accusatory thing. This wasn't evidence.
Speaker 2: This was just this is who I am, and these
Speaker 2: were my ideals, is what they did with this video clip.
Speaker 2: But what a can of worms that is?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That term digital resurrection, that's creepy. That's a creepy
Speaker 1: fucking digital resurrection. It's like, I understand the motivation on
Speaker 1: her part, but whoever scripted it, whoever whoever scripted the
Speaker 1: words using his voice and his image, he didn't do
Speaker 1: it like that. Not, you know, so to go, this
Speaker 1: is what he wants to tell you. No, this is
Speaker 1: what you I understand it though, but it's it's I
Speaker 1: don't know that that legally or practically that that's going
Speaker 1: to have any impact. I mean emotionally, emotionally, I get it.
Speaker 2: What if I took every single podcast you've ever recorded,
Speaker 2: put it into a large language model, and asked it,
Speaker 2: what would Craig say? What? You know? What?
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 2: What would be amazing would be to isolate you in
Speaker 2: one location and then do a large language model of
Speaker 2: everything you've ever said publicly, all the podcasts and information,
Speaker 2: and then ask a series of ten questions and see
Speaker 2: how much the AI version of you responds to the
Speaker 2: real you. Wouldn't that blow your mind? How interesting would
Speaker 2: that be.
Speaker 1: Interesting to you? Yeah? It would but it's still not
Speaker 1: the actual person in real life, in real time. But yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I mean, and where it's going, who knows it's so
Speaker 1: it's it's it's getting pretty close to where it can
Speaker 1: I guess with a high level of predictability know what
Speaker 1: you're going to say, because you've because you're I mean,
Speaker 1: we're all quite predictable. We like to think we're not,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure I'm very predictable. You know. I don't
Speaker 1: want to think I'm special, but I'm not.
Speaker 2: Well, it's I think a few episodes, well quite a
Speaker 2: few episodes ago. It might have been even a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, there was a guy who who'd lost
Speaker 2: his father and was so devastated he decided to try
Speaker 2: to build a digital version of his father using you know,
Speaker 2: video and cassette recordings and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: And you know, there is that it is a morbid
Speaker 2: kind of connection, and I guess part of the grieving
Speaker 2: process is letting go and having memories and having a
Speaker 2: digital representation of that person and interacting with them on
Speaker 2: a daily basis. Like he was talking to his dead
Speaker 2: father every day. He was interacting with him, so he
Speaker 2: was never letting go. Of that person because he in
Speaker 2: his mind he'd recreated it was a digital resurrection of
Speaker 2: that person via AI.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm very careful to judge how people grieve.
Speaker 1: I reckon whatever works for you. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: how many people talk to their dead partner? How many
Speaker 1: people go to a grave and talk as though they're
Speaker 1: there and they're listening, And how many people you know
Speaker 1: you just don't know. I think it's like when you
Speaker 1: talk to that person that's no longer here, but you
Speaker 1: sense they're here or their energies here, how does that
Speaker 1: make you feel? I feel great, I feel connected. I
Speaker 1: know they're listening. I know this, I know that, And
Speaker 1: then who are we to go? Yeah, well that's not
Speaker 1: true though they're dead. So I think like I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like we don't know. Fuck, I don't know what happens.
Speaker 2: Like one of my dearest friends, she lost her husband,
Speaker 2: who was quite young relatively when he died. Gosh, it
Speaker 2: was twenty thirteen, so quite a while ago. And I
Speaker 2: remember calling her a few days after he died because
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time with him when he
Speaker 2: was going through cancer, and I'd catch up with him
Speaker 2: once a week and we went from going for coffee
Speaker 2: together to me bringing coffee to him, you know, but
Speaker 2: he wasn't able to leave his home. And then a
Speaker 2: few days after he died, I called my friend and
Speaker 2: she wasn't able to take the call, and it was
Speaker 2: his voice on her message service. And I was so
Speaker 2: confronted because I could hear the voice of this guy
Speaker 2: I had so much respect for and I love her dearly,
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh gosh, it's him on the message
Speaker 2: and it still is, you know, all that time later,
Speaker 2: whenever I'm not as challenged now. I actually I would
Speaker 2: hang up the phone before the message came on because
Speaker 2: it was freaking me out a bit when that first happened.
Speaker 2: So I can't even begin to imagine what it would
Speaker 2: be like to have a digital recreation and interact with
Speaker 2: someone who had passed away. Yeah, I'm challenged by the concept,
Speaker 2: but that grieving process and we need to move on.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: One another friend of mine lost her husband three years
Speaker 2: ago and now she's met somebody new. And it's not
Speaker 2: like she loves her husband any less, you know, she
Speaker 2: had this amazing journey and he passed away, but she
Speaker 2: now has a new relationship, so it doesn't lessen how
Speaker 2: much we love that person. I think that again, it's
Speaker 2: part of the grieving process, but we need to move
Speaker 2: on from that and forming those new relationships. You know,
Speaker 2: if a close friend passes away or we lose someone
Speaker 2: in our life, then maybe it just means that it
Speaker 2: makes way for somebody else to take that space or
Speaker 2: a little part of the space that we want for
Speaker 2: that person.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, its good chatting with you, buddy. Tell people
Speaker 1: how to connect with you and reach out if they
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 2: Websites now dot com today you or tie chair at
Speaker 2: home dot com TODAYU. So there's the yin and yang
Speaker 2: of my lifestyle. One is my one is my work,
Speaker 2: and one is my past, and it's nice to have
Speaker 2: them overlap.
Speaker 1: And Tiff, try not to lose your shit at your
Speaker 1: cat in the upcoming days if you would, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: we'll say goodbye affair. But for now, thanks kids, Thanks everyone,