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Speaker 1: Appoche, production, life stuff, life, parenting.

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Speaker 2: We're doing life together and we're just going to.

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Speaker 3: Tell you all about it.

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Speaker 1: I hate the word perimenopause. I can't We're not in menopause.

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Speaker 3: Like it's like, can be angry?

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Speaker 2: What welcome back.

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Speaker 1: To another bonus episode?

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Speaker 3: Or who even are we? This particular podcast is going

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Speaker 3: to be about is this just aging? Or am I

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Speaker 3: actually just tired? Do you feel like you're on repeat

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Speaker 3: of this question? Is this aging? Or am I just tired?

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Speaker 4: And then I usually.

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Speaker 2: Get a responsive we're all tired, and you go, I swear,

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Speaker 2: do you ever like literally have moments in time, Katie

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Speaker 2: where you're like feeling a little bit worn down, You're

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Speaker 2: feeling a bit tired on the inside and the out,

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Speaker 2: And then you have moments you know, you might lean

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Speaker 2: down to something and then you're coming back up and

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Speaker 2: you go like you'll make some fucking noise that.

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Speaker 4: You're like what you creep Like It's like you're going.

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Speaker 3: Like, was that me?

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Speaker 2: Like? Did I just moan to get back up because

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Speaker 2: I was close to the ground.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, is that aging or is that.

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Speaker 1: I would say probably, I found myself saying to one

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Speaker 1: of the kids the other day, I was like, can

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Speaker 1: you just run up and get that? She's like, why

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Speaker 1: can't you do it? I was like, you've got younger legs,

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Speaker 1: and I went, whoa, Oh my god. Why did I

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Speaker 1: just say that? Because I try and actually be like, no,

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Speaker 1: go up.

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Speaker 3: You need the steps.

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Speaker 2: I remember that as a kid, literally my dad going Heyfloss,

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Speaker 2: can you go and grab me a beer from the fridge.

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Speaker 2: And even as a kid, I would go, what's wrong

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Speaker 2: with your legs?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You go, well, you're young and fit, you go and

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Speaker 4: do it.

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Speaker 2: For me, And you go, oh my gosh. But now

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Speaker 2: you're saying that to your Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I had a word for myself in that moment. I

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Speaker 1: was like, no, go up, you lazy fat cow, go

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Speaker 1: do it yourself.

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Speaker 4: I love that you.

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Speaker 2: Just go into really negative self to that is wild

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Speaker 2: because I do that a lot.

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Speaker 3: The other day was like, we've done this full workout.

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Speaker 2: I was definitely tired, but my body was feeling tired.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of stress leading up to the

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Speaker 2: start of school and all the rest. I will make

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Speaker 2: every excuse when it comes to physical activity. I go no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm doing it like I'm doing it no

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Speaker 2: matter what. Anyway, I turned up for this one particular

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Speaker 2: workout and you sort of notice yourself and it was

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Speaker 2: probably a real first time moment where I've noticed did

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Speaker 2: the full workout all as well. I'm the only one

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Speaker 2: left there stretching after all workout. Everyone else ah bye,

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Speaker 2: see you see everyone's walking out.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get coffee.

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Speaker 2: You're like, not one person stretched one body part. Now

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling like gassed. I'm the only one laying there going. Oh,

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Speaker 2: bloody saw like you know.

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Speaker 3: Like I had a moment where I was like, fuck.

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Speaker 2: This is forty Yeah, Katie, that sucks and you can't

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Speaker 2: change it, and you can't no out of it.

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Speaker 1: There's a weight thing for me as well, like it's

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Speaker 1: losing weight. It's like all of a sudden, you go,

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Speaker 1: fuck that used to drop off when I did that,

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Speaker 1: like the minute I started really being good with eating

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Speaker 1: and not drinking alcohol and doing more exercise. But hang on,

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Speaker 1: why is there still a belly here? Like where does

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Speaker 1: that come from? Why isn't that disappearing? Because it doesn't anymore,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't anymore maybe foremost.

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Speaker 3: Maybe forties and like who even are we?

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Speaker 2: Maybe like this whole era is like the body betrayal era,

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Speaker 2: because your body is betraying you to what you knew

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Speaker 3: Maybe in your thirties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't remember getting up in my thirties

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Speaker 2: creaking groaning because my knees were sore, Like your body's

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Speaker 2: going whatever, So what happened?

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Speaker 4: This is the new era we're in.

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Speaker 3: And you're like, get fucked. This is shit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, don't even get me started on the looks

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Speaker 3: No, this is what I mean.

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Speaker 2: You're saying it about, like you know, things are not

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Speaker 2: just dropping, just from changing certain things. Like you've got

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Speaker 2: to rejig your whole protocol basically in your forties. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: in order for things to come on. Mind, then you've

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Speaker 1: And you get reminded of that shit all the time,

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Speaker 1: all the time. My husband said to me, the other

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Speaker 1: will be grumpy today. I'm like, don't even fucking say it,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I am grumpy, and I am grumpy because I'm.

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Speaker 3: Here because you're about to say something. You're about to say.

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Speaker 3: That's why I've got.

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Speaker 1: I was preempting it.

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Speaker 3: It's pre empty it on you.

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Speaker 4: I get the whole.

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Speaker 3: It's going to make me grumpy. Yeah, I get a whole.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you needs to go to the doctor

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Speaker 2: to check that, you know, maybe you're in perimenopause.

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Speaker 3: I'm not the one that's going to.

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Speaker 4: Need the doctor. You are.

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Speaker 3: You are my friend.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I catch my side profile and I go, oh

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Speaker 3: Sorry? Did you put that there? No?

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Speaker 4: Sorry, wrong with the mirror? Like bent?

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Speaker 3: Did you do that?

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Speaker 2: I was like me the other day, I genuinely and

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Speaker 2: I will say it now. I think someone's fucking with me.

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Speaker 2: I think do they call this gas lighting? But I

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Speaker 2: was like, I swear to God, put it in the fridge.

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Speaker 2: It's a fridge item. I put it in the fridge.

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Speaker 2: I go back to the fridge. It's not in the fridge.

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Speaker 2: I was like, hang on a sec, I'm not losing it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I get brain folded here and there. You know everyone does.

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Speaker 2: You've just under so much stress and overwhelm of managing

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Speaker 3: But I went back to the fridge. Wasn't there, but

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Speaker 3: it was in the cupboard. Okay, do do you question

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Speaker 2: Will?

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Speaker 1: I tend to blame everyone else first and then think

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Speaker 4: But it laid way you go back on it, and

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Speaker 4: I like to say it out loud. No, you don't

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Speaker 3: Why should you like for it to be someone else's Probably.

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Speaker 4: Of course you do, we all do.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I was like, I really

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Speaker 2: played both sides.

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Speaker 3: I was like, both sides of my brain were like.

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Speaker 1: I make out that it was my husband that did it,

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Speaker 1: and I go, don't you remember I saw you do that?

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Speaker 1: Because he's a little bit older than me, and so

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Speaker 3: He's definitely a man of pause. But I pause you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I absolutely do things like that all the time.

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Speaker 1: And don't even get me started on the going upstairs

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Speaker 1: and forgetting what you're up there for. And I will

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Speaker 1: start jobs and then see other jobs that need to

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Speaker 1: do and start on the other job and then go, oh,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't finish this job.

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Speaker 3: I think it's called ADHD.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't you want to start on that.

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Speaker 3: Let's start on that.

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Speaker 4: I was like, I swear to God I read something.

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Speaker 2: Go I hate reading shit online because it fucks with

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Speaker 2: your brain. But I was like, oh, yeah, I do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then I went, oh, well, might as well do

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Speaker 3: I do that, I do that. Ah yeah cool.

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Speaker 2: So what's my goal for twenty twenty six? If you

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's making a real conscious fish the jobs.

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Speaker 1: I just don't do it in the order that I

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Speaker 1: and I go, oh, no, that needs doing.

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Speaker 2: Shiny objects, Yeah, I get the distruction, shiny at all, shit,

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Speaker 2: taking the bins out?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, better do that. What about this?

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is another one for me. I'm going like,

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Speaker 2: is it age or is it like? Am I aging?

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Speaker 2: Or am I just tired? What about laying awake at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you do that? Ah?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Also, why am I awake at fucking three thirty

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Speaker 1: No, I know, it doesn't make any sense, and you

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Speaker 4: Me, you're not wide awake.

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Speaker 3: Because you're tired.

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Speaker 2: You're so tired, you haven't had enough sleep. No, do

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Speaker 2: you go into like replaying shit. I'll do one of

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Speaker 2: two things. See if I'm really stressed, and I'll go

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Speaker 2: like into replaying moments where I'm like, oh, that happened.

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Speaker 2: Oh I wonder if it meant that, and oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: and maybe that's why that person stopped talking to me.

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Speaker 2: And then I sent that text and they didn't reply,

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Speaker 2: Like that's the shit I'm listening to in my head.

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Speaker 2: But if it's not that I'm angry, I'm angry at

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Speaker 2: birds that aren't even making noise. It mustn't have been

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Speaker 2: the birds. It definitely was the cat that woke me up.

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Speaker 2: Like I will literally go into every anger point that

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Speaker 1: And then you start thinking about how tomorrow is going

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Speaker 1: to be terrible. Oh, I'm gonna wake up. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be so tired tomorrow. I haven't had enough sleep.

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Speaker 4: We could astrophize everything.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm trying to work out, at what point

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Speaker 1: can I get home for a nap tomorrow afternoon. Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: hasn't even happened yet. Tomorrow afternoon, I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: so tired. I need to try and fit in a

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Speaker 1: cope with the evening that I don't know that I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to be able to cope with.

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Speaker 2: Oh, at that stage, I'm panicking about the three pm

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Speaker 2: slump that I know I'm going to feel, and.

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Speaker 3: I go, oh, my god.

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Speaker 2: And at that stage, I'm going to be picking up

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Speaker 2: that means that I'm going to eat stuff that I

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Speaker 2: but I'm fucking tired, so I'm still eating it.

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Speaker 4: I was like, Yeah, I've gone through that.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what's more tiring than all of that

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like, okay, this is again. Is this

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Speaker 2: Get out of the car, I walk in and this

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Speaker 3: I said to Jim. I was driving today in my

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Speaker 3: It was so bad, I don't know. It felt like

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Speaker 4: I was like, Rachel, are you hearing yourself?

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Speaker 3: This is enough.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like that moment that you don't want

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Speaker 2: I only just had my eyes tested because I turned forty. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's like, turn forty, get eyes tested. Why you don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but why are you going to start?

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Speaker 4: I don't know about you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've noticed a few things of eyes, and I've

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Speaker 2: Okay, So exactly turned forty. Everyone says, go and get

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Speaker 2: everything checked. Your bits in, your bobs, your boobs, your vagina,

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Speaker 3: Get your feet checked. What poor Okay, just because I

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Speaker 2: I went through let's say, two out of four, and

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Speaker 2: I when got my eyes tested Katie, I'm saying about

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Speaker 2: I just did that thing that she said when it

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's only been eight months. It's happening.

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Speaker 3: It's happening. Didn't go back, not going back.

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Speaker 4: I can't see now. I'm holding things a meter away.

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Speaker 2: Don't even get me started on the fact that women

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Speaker 2: have to have mammograms. Why don't men have things that

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Speaker 2: they have to go and squish their balls in.

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Speaker 1: We're in twenty twenty six. Why is it so painful?

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Speaker 1: Why is that process so? Why do they have to

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Speaker 2: Katie ad an implant between that squish.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, she goes, are you okay?

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Speaker 4: Does it look like I'm okay?

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Speaker 2: You've got my boob squished between two plates, My face

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Speaker 2: is squished against a machine, and then you're out of

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Speaker 2: the room, going just hold that for a second, don't breeze.

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Speaker 4: Of course, I'm not fucking okay. I'm feeling violated. I'm

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Speaker 2: And all I can think about was like, why don't

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Speaker 2: go just hold your breath.

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Speaker 4: For a second, and they're like a sandwich press. I

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Speaker 1: Grab you, Like they come over and they just like

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Speaker 3: That, sorry, you're not sorry. This is so painful.

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Speaker 2: And my boobs are freezing right now between these cold plates,

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Speaker 2: and it's freezing in this room, and you're saying sorry,

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Speaker 2: you're not sorry.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't feel seen, and it's freezing in that room.

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Speaker 1: So when the guys have to do it with their bulls,

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Speaker 1: you got some shriveled up, freezing cold saw bulls between

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Speaker 2: I'm going to invent the ex testing machine for males,

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Speaker 2: just letting you know.