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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday, September one, twenty twenty five. Forget work from home.

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Speaker 1: That's the message from the bosses of Australia's biggest retailers,

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Speaker 1: including Woolworth's, Cole's, West Farmers, JB hi Fi and more.

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Speaker 1: They're furious about Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen's bid to guarantee

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Speaker 1: hybrid work rights for all employees. You can read our

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Speaker 1: retail guru Eli Greenblatz exclusive report right now at the

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Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au. Liberal Party rising star Andrew

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Speaker 1: Hasty is poised to line up on the side of

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Speaker 1: rebel national Barnaby Joyce in opposing the net zero transition,

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Speaker 1: a fresh headache for Opposition leader Susan Lee. A big

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Speaker 1: power shift in the Middle East with Israel wiping out

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Speaker 1: the senior leadership of Hoofy rebels who've been attacking commercial

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Speaker 1: ships in the Red Sea and firing ballistic missiles at

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Speaker 1: Israeli cities. But Anthony Albanesi's government has stopped short of

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Speaker 1: explicitly supporting Israel's actions in eliminating the senior hoofees who

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Speaker 1: are Iran's last terror proxy in the Middle East, and

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Speaker 1: who'd survived an onslaught from the United States earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: Today Chief international correspondent Cameron Stewart joins me to discuss

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Speaker 1: exactly how Mossad did the job. They call it Operation

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Speaker 1: Drop of Luck. Israeli fighter jets fly over the two

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Speaker 1: thousand year old mountain valley city of Sanna in Yemen

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Speaker 1: and drop bombs on a fuel depot and a lead

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Speaker 1: ship compound where the top officials of the Hoofy rebel

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Speaker 1: government a meeting to watch a televised broadcast by their leader,

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Speaker 1: Abdel Malek al Hufi. He's in hiding, reportedly in a

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Speaker 1: cave somewhere in the mountains, communicating with the Yemeny's via

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Speaker 1: weekly video messages. A fireble blooms into the sky, the

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Speaker 1: jets agone and a city reels from what will turn

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Speaker 1: out to be a devastating moment.

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Speaker 2: This is by far the most successful strike against the

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Speaker 2: Hoosi leadership ever conducted.

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Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart is the Australian's chief international correspondent, and we're

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Speaker 1: talking about the fresh revelation that this Israeli attack conducted

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Speaker 1: last Thursday took out the Hoofi's self proclaimed Prime Minister,

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Speaker 1: Ahmed al Rahawi and members of his cabinet, including the

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Speaker 1: cabinet secretary, Foreign minister, justice minister, and several more.

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Speaker 2: It shows that Israel is changing its strategy and its

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Speaker 2: tactics in dealing with the Hoofes, which of course are

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Speaker 2: the last of the Iranian proxy terror groups that are

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Speaker 2: still effective enough to actually or brave enough, should we say,

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Speaker 2: or crazy enough to actually lob missiles towards Israel.

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Speaker 1: Just days ago, the Hoofies, whose sloganese death to America,

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Speaker 1: death to Israel, Cursed the Jews, were celebrating ballistic missile

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Speaker 1: attacks on Israeli cities. They were a devilishly difficult nut

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Speaker 1: to crack. This rebel force that has taken over northern

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Speaker 1: Yemen with money and weapons funneled in by Iran and

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Speaker 1: has been causing mayhem across the Middle East and around

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Speaker 1: the world for two years. The Hoofies have had an

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Speaker 1: outsize impact on world politics, haven't they. They can try

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Speaker 1: troll Northern Yemen. Basically there are a rebel fours, but they,

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Speaker 1: through their control of the Red Sea, were able to

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Speaker 1: disrupt shipping and change the world's economy, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, because they're so strategically located there, and they

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Speaker 2: are quite they've got quite a lot of missiles, supplied

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Speaker 2: often by Iran and by Hesbadah, and they fired missiles

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Speaker 2: at those ships in the Red Sea in the early

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Speaker 2: stages of the Guards of War, with massive success in

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Speaker 1: This is a social media video released by the Hoofies

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Speaker 1: showing the seizure of a bolt carrier the Magic Seas

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Speaker 2: But they actually scared the shipping companies through insurance reason,

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Speaker 2: safety reasons, et cetera, not to take the route, and

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Speaker 2: of course that required them to go very long route

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Speaker 2: small little rebel force, they really caused a lot of

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Speaker 2: trouble there. And of course this actually led to you

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Speaker 2: might recall in March this year to Donald Trump taking

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Speaker 2: he took them mind and said, you know, we're going

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Speaker 2: to take the fight to you, which the Israelis were

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Speaker 2: very happy about and yet only months later in early May,

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Speaker 2: Trump struck a deal with the Hoothies basically that said, well,

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Speaker 2: he made. And I think that really shows Claire how

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Speaker 2: difficult it is to destroy the Hoofies. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: the Americans, with all their intelligence and targeted missiles and

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Speaker 1: The Hoofes were organized and well armed enough to be

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Speaker 1: firing ballistic missiles at Israel. Israel has struck back after

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Speaker 1: learning that some of their leadership was going to be

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Speaker 1: strategy of taking out senior leadership. Is that what's different

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Speaker 1: about the way Israel has done at this time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, they haven't done that previously. They've been attacking

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Speaker 2: Hoofs and also upset the Savilian population and made the

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Speaker 2: Hoofies lose local support. This is a very different strategy

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Speaker 2: and it's precisely what the Israelis did with great effect.

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Speaker 2: Against Hezbollah in Lebanon, of course they assassinated the long

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Speaker 2: standing Hesbelo leader in Israela as well as all of

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Speaker 2: his deputies, and effectively they defeated Hesbela as a result

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Speaker 2: And of course in Gaza we had Jaha Sinwa who

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Speaker 2: there certainly a dismembered them as a coherent military force.

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Speaker 2: And lastly, of course Iran, we had Israel having targeted

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Speaker 2: strikes killed actually Hamasu's political leader in terran you record,

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Speaker 2: but also in this last strike they killed enormous amount

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Speaker 2: some nuclear scientists. And why they didn't kill the supreme leader,

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Speaker 2: it is certainly cowed around as far as Iran's belligerents go.

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Speaker 2: So this has been an effective tactic for Israel with

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Speaker 2: the other proxies in the region, and that's clearly what

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Speaker 2: they've decided to do against the huthis.

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Speaker 1: The connection between all these strikes led by Israeli spy

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Speaker 1: agency Mossad is human intelligence. Their agents got pages and

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Speaker 1: then walkie talkies to Hesbalal operatives in Lebanon and then

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Speaker 1: exploded them to devastating effect. Then Israeli operatives in Iran

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Speaker 1: coordinated the destruction of nuclear sites, and now Israel's spies

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Speaker 2: Mosad is by far the most sophisticated technically manpower wise.

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Speaker 2: They also have a lot of assets on the ground.

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Speaker 2: And what actually happened, interestingly with this attack with the

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Speaker 2: They actually did a couple of ruses to give the

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Speaker 2: and that's where the bomb hit, and that's why you've

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Speaker 1: It hasn't been a good week for Iran. Of course,

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Speaker 1: their ambassador to Australia was expelled and sent home, and

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Speaker 1: now the Federal government is preparing to prescribe the Islamic

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Speaker 1: Revolutionary Guard called blaming them for anti Semitic attacks conducted

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Speaker 1: the IRGC CAM. But it's not the only terror group

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Speaker 2: Yes, Well, the revelation Claire that the Revolutionary Guard Corps

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Speaker 2: had ordered these two ancient Semitic attacks against the restaurant

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Speaker 2: well as other ones they believe, has really sort of

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Speaker 2: sparked extra alarm beyond the Revolutionary Guard Corps, and the

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Speaker 2: Zionist Federation of Australia told me on Friday that they

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Speaker 2: were very concerned about his But Uteria HUT is better

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Speaker 2: global organization and they espouse much of the same extremism

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Speaker 2: as Iran does. I mean, they hate Israel. They glorified Hamas,

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Speaker 2: they wanted a caliphate, and they were very central in

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Speaker 2: organizing pro Palestinian anti Israeli street protests both in the

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Speaker 2: here in Australia. And what they to do is they

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Speaker 2: very difficult for as E under the legislation to declare

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Speaker 2: them a terrorist outfit. What the ZFA said to me was, look,

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Speaker 2: we need to be more proactive here. This is clearly

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Speaker 2: a group that is hostile to the Jewish community. We

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Speaker 2: debate that's going to happen inside government. The government has

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Speaker 2: be another issue, and that's come about really because everyone

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Speaker 2: ordered these attacks.

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Speaker 1: The Nesnio government has significantly weakened Iran, but could the

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Speaker 1: Iranians still make a nuclear weapon? That's after the break.

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Speaker 1: There are reports over the weekend that Israel is preparing

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Speaker 1: a new Oncelough we've been talking for a while about

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Speaker 1: the preparations to take over Gaza city Benjamin Netanya, who

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Speaker 1: on Netanya, who've given his undoubted success in weakening Iran

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. I mean, I think Netna, whose

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Speaker 2: I think what people will see from Ntnia, who, as

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Speaker 2: We've had enormous amount of seville in deaths. I think

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Speaker 2: we've had some unnecessary cruelty and poor decisions on the

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Speaker 2: I think he will be criticized for many aspects of that.

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Speaker 2: But on the other side, Netnio, who has presided over

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Speaker 2: a huge strategic victory for Israel in the region. I

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Speaker 2: mean we are talking historic strategic victory here. Israel is

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Speaker 2: lots of ways the world is safer. So Netnio has

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Speaker 2: a mixed legacy, massive strategic victory in the region for

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Speaker 2: destroy Israel. A very mixed record in Gaza and cam.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're any closer to knowing the truth

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Speaker 1: about whether the strikes on Iran's nuclear capability actually worked,

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Speaker 1: it actually disrupted their progress towards acquiring a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 2: We are finding out some things clear, but it's still

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Speaker 2: very unclear. And of course, you know, intelligence is never

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Speaker 2: perfectly Look at the WMD debate in Iraq, many years ago.

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Speaker 2: But what it looks like is that it caused severe

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Speaker 2: The bombs certainly didn't go right to the very bottom

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Speaker 2: And interestingly, we haven't heard much about the Iranians trying

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Speaker 2: to repair those facilities, because, of course the Iranian those

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Speaker 2: facilities are vulnerable to renewed strikes by the Israelis and

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Speaker 2: perhaps even the Americans. Should the Iranians try to reconstitute them,

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Speaker 2: and that would be something which would become fairly visible

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Speaker 2: to Israeli intelligence. So that's really a story to watch

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Speaker 2: because we haven't seen the Iranians doing that, and it

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Speaker 2: or may not be to reconstitute those facilities and put

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Speaker 2: themselves once again in the eyesights of the target sites

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