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Speaker 1: Appogiae production.

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Speaker 2: I need your advice.

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Speaker 1: Are you okay? What happened?

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Speaker 2: Promise it won't be too much.

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Speaker 1: Bring it in.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our Bestie segment. This is the place for you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Bestie Advice, which is

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Speaker 2: our favorite and only segment.

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Speaker 1: It's so fun. Every single Tuesday, every single Friday, we're

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Speaker 1: in your ears giving best advice from all of you

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Speaker 1: that we would give to each other.

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Speaker 2: Naturally, absolutely, and this is something that we're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: about today, and we've got a big one for you.

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Speaker 2: So let's get started.

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Speaker 1: Buckle in, what have you got for us?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: That sounded so bogun buckle in? Sorry, guys, actually didn't. Okay, Ladies.

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Speaker 2: Firstly, I just have to say how much I love

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Speaker 2: the podcast. It's so much fun and always so real

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Speaker 2: and relatable. I need your help. It can be your advice,

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Speaker 2: your opinion, or any thoughts that you have. I have

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Speaker 2: a two men situation going on. Oh about a month ago,

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Speaker 2: I started casually sleeping with a long term friend, man one.

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Speaker 2: So naturally it was an easy thing to start. The trust.

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Speaker 2: The chemistry is already there, and I think we both

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Speaker 2: wanted to do that for a little while. He makes

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Speaker 2: me feel so good and he spends so much time

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Speaker 2: with me, and it's always a sleepover. There's connection, there's vulnerability, playfulness, cuddles,

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Speaker 2: and he makes me feel so safe and wanted and

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I haven't been kissed that way in

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Speaker 2: a long time, the kind of deep kiss that makes

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Speaker 2: me think about him long after he leaves. He's so

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Speaker 2: sweet with me, and that I think I'm starting to

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Speaker 2: catch feelings now. Man two he's roughly thirteen years older

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Speaker 2: than me, I'm guessing, and in the same week as

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Speaker 2: Man one, we started doing the dirty. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I feel so naughty reading this now. I've also known

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Speaker 2: him a long time, as he is my mechanic. He's

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Speaker 2: almost the total opposite of Man one. He clearly just

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Speaker 2: don't even know his last name. He redirects any question

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Speaker 2: I ask him about himself, and he'll push sexual boundaries

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Speaker 2: to the limit. He doesn't cuddle, he doesn't stay longer

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Speaker 2: hear from either man unless we're together, which never bothered

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Speaker 2: me because it is just sex. We're doing this week

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Speaker 2: is different. I went away on holidays for a week,

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Speaker 2: and I noticed that during that time I was thinking

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Speaker 2: about men One every day, hoping he would message me.

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Speaker 2: Obviously he didn't. I know he's not the type to

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Speaker 2: I was so confused. I got home four days earlier

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Speaker 2: than anticipated, and I used this time to move forward

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Speaker 2: to some doctor's appointments that I had. I decided to

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Speaker 2: get my iud insert done. This is my choice and

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Speaker 2: I'm doing it for me. So I didn't really tell

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Speaker 2: anyone until Man Too messaged me asking how I was.

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Speaker 2: I told him I wasn't feeling well after the doctor visit,

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Speaker 2: and I didn't specify why. He came over and he

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Speaker 2: not expect that this was around midday. This happened later

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Speaker 2: that night. He texted me says, check your front door.

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Speaker 2: you feel better soon. Now I've got Man two being

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Speaker 2: you made it back safe. I'm so confused. Sex with

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Speaker 2: both men is amazing, and obviously it does a little

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Speaker 2: more for me when it's with Man one, though I've

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Speaker 2: decided not to reach out to Man one because maybe

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Speaker 2: go out of my way to text anyway, so that's fine.

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Speaker 2: I just find myself thinking about Man one too much

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Speaker 2: realistically I can't be because we're only casual and that's

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Speaker 2: exactly what I'm doing. I've never seen two people casually

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Speaker 2: by the way, I do want to partner, but right

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Speaker 1: I wonder is Man one, like she said, he's not

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Speaker 1: wanting to be monogamous and commit Is that factual? Have

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Speaker 1: Is there no chance of you guys having a relationship

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Speaker 1: because he sounds amazing. Yeah, he sounds amazing, and maybe

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Speaker 2: It's clear that you've caught feelings. Yeah, and I understand

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Speaker 2: the feeling of you being confused. But from reading that,

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Speaker 2: in my head, what kept coming up was like, you

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Speaker 2: like Man one. Yeah, you like Man one, like you

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Speaker 2: were locked in, probably more than you think that you are.

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Speaker 1: I think so too.

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Speaker 2: And it's easy to be confused because this other man

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Speaker 2: it's the attention? Yeah, Like you clearly know that this

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Speaker 2: know that it's just sex. So are you confused or

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Speaker 2: is it just that you like the attention from him?

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Speaker 1: I think so? Man number two and number two sorry,

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Speaker 2: Sex feels good and now he's like being exercised, and

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Speaker 2: because he's not normally like that, you're like, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, man, mind you just see is sex?

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Speaker 1: I think you know that you don't want anything further.

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Speaker 1: Why peoples hasn't have a conversation ask the questions? But

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Speaker 1: maybe I've been with someone for too long? Is it

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Speaker 1: daunting because you're scared of reject or you don't want

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Speaker 1: what you've got to actually change and that's why you

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Speaker 1: avoid it. Because I would just be like, hey, this

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Speaker 1: Are you happy doing this? Are you wanting to develop

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Speaker 1: anything further? I just confused because we act X y

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Speaker 2: I maybe think this is my assumption. Yeah, people assume that,

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Speaker 2: like it's not cool to show that you care, you know,

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Speaker 2: because there's so much stuff on social media around like

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be down for that. It's exhausting, No, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to There's no way or play that game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem fun. Yeah, So just know where

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Speaker 2: Especially if you're in a situation like this, I feel

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Speaker 1: And you're leaking energy into Man number two when you

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Speaker 1: clearly like Man number one. You said you wouldn't like

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Speaker 1: Men number one to be with someone else, but it's

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Speaker 1: what you're doing. I'd be cleaning up my side of

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Speaker 2: And that's also something you have to be willing to

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Speaker 2: do as well. Yeah, you are like dealing with Man

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Speaker 2: to be willing to get rid of men too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then have the conversation with Man one and might

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Speaker 2: be okay with it if he rejects you, and you

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Speaker 2: still get rid of men too. Yes, don't regret that decision.

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Speaker 2: That's a decision of you cleaning up your behavior to

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Speaker 2: then pursue what it is that you want.

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Speaker 1: Truly want.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: It does? And also, out of respect for man number two,

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Speaker 1: your heart's and not that he's winning a relationship either.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. It just feels icky for me.

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Speaker 1: But I also I'm old and married, so I don't

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Speaker 2: I'm not married and I'm single, and that just it

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Speaker 2: does feel icky because it's you have to be the

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Speaker 1: Yeah for you, I've seen you speak about this on

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Speaker 1: your TikTok's quite often. I'm learning a lot.

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Speaker 2: Talk about this true until the cows come home, because

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Speaker 2: we don't get to have double standards. If you would

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Speaker 2: be so upset that either of those men would be

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Speaker 2: sleeping with another woman, don't be doing that shit exactly.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not even just about them. It's for

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Speaker 2: your own self respect, to integrity. It's your integrity, it's

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Speaker 2: that the energy that you're putting out is what you'll

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Speaker 2: get back. Yes, right, so true. Just making sure that

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Speaker 1: I wonder if Man one too, not that he knows

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Speaker 1: you're sleeping with someone else, but maybe he's really in

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Speaker 1: tune and he's like, I can feel that she's not

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Speaker 1: fully here, because if you're giving energy to Man number two,

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Speaker 1: he would feel you're not fully there. Yes, so it's

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Speaker 1: like why would he entertain a girl that's sleeping with

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Speaker 2: And slow you won't take you seriously and a slow

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Speaker 2: exit like this man even know that you have feelings

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Speaker 2: for him. Yeah, that's a whole other conversation too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, you guys are just sleeping together. From his perspective,

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Speaker 2: you probably just want just sex. Yeah, that this is

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Speaker 2: why conversation is so important.

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Speaker 1: So important, I understand from his perspective too, Like if

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Speaker 1: I was single, I would be pursuing a guy that

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Speaker 1: that's not the kind of girl I want to be with. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but once again, how do you know this stuff?

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Speaker 2: You need to communicate yes, and even if it is

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Speaker 2: just a conversation of hey, this has been really fun.

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Speaker 1: The last six months have been great, more than great. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I love my time with you. This is where I'm at.

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Speaker 2: Where are you at? I'm so curious, just so I

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Speaker 2: know how to behave moving forward? Boom done, conversation over exactly,

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Speaker 2: give you yes. No, hopefully he's honest. Yeah, hopefully you know,

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Speaker 2: and then you'll know yeah, because maybe it'll be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: from here, like does he want to keep sleeping together?

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Speaker 2: Does he want something more? Does he want to stop entirely?

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Speaker 2: At least you'll know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you even ask that question of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously we're not a couple, so I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I would hope, Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: I would hope, you know, Yeah, I don't think people

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Speaker 2: But I can't imagine that people would be super you know,

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Speaker 2: But then I think maybe I assume the conversation might

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Speaker 1: Am disclose this. Yeah, true, and if we're using condoms

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Speaker 2: But it depends on the person yea where they're at mentally,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. We hope this has helped, and

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Speaker 1: This is the advice we'll give. Take it with a

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Speaker 1: want to be sleeping with two men at once. You've

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Speaker 1: I can feel that this isn't feeling good for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yes, then maybe Man two is just like a distraction

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Speaker 1: Because attention is great. Without attention, we got it. Not

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Speaker 2: after reading that, I'm like, you want men one? What

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Speaker 1: What are you doing? If either don't work out, then

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Speaker 2: That's why I mentioned before. Don't regret if you get

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Speaker 2: back to manto. It's no, like, yeah, you know, honor yourself.

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