1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, February tenth, twenty twenty six. Taxpayers are funneling 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: seventeen point three million dollars per annum to unions, a 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: figure that's more than doubled since Anthony Albanzi came to power. 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: The Australian's revealing today a fifty million dollar federal grant 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: for unions to explain Labour's own workplace reform laws. That's 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: an exclusive live now at the Australian dot Com dot 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: a U one nation is on the rise as the 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: coalition struggles to find its way, but Pauline Hanson's party 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: has no chance of forming government. If an election were 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: held now, that's the takeout from a news poll exclusive 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: to The Australian. One Nation would have received just twenty 13 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: nine percent of preferences from Coalition, Greens and independent voters 14 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: and would struggle to win seats from Labor. Japan's about 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: to change everything in our neighborhood, electing a prime minister 16 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: who wants to end eight decades of pacifism and massively 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: increase its defense spending and intelligence capabilities. Today North Asia 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: correspondent Jonni Bishan joins US from Tokyo, where voters have 19 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly endorsed Sunai Takaichi, the politician famous for picking a 20 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: fight with China. At the end of World War Two, 21 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: the ancient warrior Society of Japan ended with abject humiliation, surrender, disarmament, 22 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: and occupation, an. 23 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: Unforgettable ceremony marking the complete and formal surrender of Japan 24 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: in the Bay of Tokyo itself. 25 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: For more than eight decades, Japan has stuck to its 26 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: own constitutional guarantee it would have a self defense force 27 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: only not a real military, and would be incapable of 28 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: repeating the catastrophic overreach of the nineteen thirties and forties. Now, 29 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: Japanese voters have elected a prime minister who wants to 30 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: arm them to the teeth, Snai Takaichi, who said it's 31 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: time for Japan to have a proper military, just like 32 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: everyone else. Jonni Bashan is The Australian's North Asia correspondent. 33 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: Yoni Let's start with Snay Takaichi. Who is she? 34 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: Well, she's very different from the safe great suits of 35 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: Japanese politics. Firstly, this is a historic win for Japan 36 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: and for Takaichi. She's the first woman to be elected 37 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: prime minister, although her popularity really seems to come down 38 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: to her straight talking style. And this is something the 39 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: voters on the street kept reinforcing to me whenever I 40 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: fox popped them through Tokyo over the weekend. I'm here 41 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: to Botford there like, you know our parudition, who marches 42 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: my like a sinking and you know my idea. So 43 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: she's traditional, she's conservative, she opposes same sex marriage, she 44 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: doesn't agree with the idea that women should keep their 45 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: surname after marriage. And then of course there's China, to 46 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: whom she refuses to bow, so to speak. And while 47 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: that's worried a cohort of the Japanese public, it's evidently 48 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: resonated not just widely, but wildly with the electorate. And 49 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: it's why they've delivered tuck Age. She and her coalition 50 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: this historic supermajority in the lower House of Parliament on Sunday. 51 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: That's cool. 52 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's now got an undeniable mandate to go about 53 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: reforming Japanese society. What's going to be her first move? 54 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: Well, at the same domestic issues will probably take precedence. 55 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: The end is weak, inflation high, and so is the 56 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: bond market, which means investors basically don't feel entirely comfortable 57 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: or secure lending the government money, so she'll have to 58 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: fix that. She's already promising tax cuts, which everyone loves 59 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: and everyone wants. Of course, the lower hanging fruit in 60 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: Japan is going to be her promise on immigration. She 61 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: wants to introduce language tests for foreign residents. This foreign 62 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: resident business seems to have partly captured the politics of 63 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: the election here, even though immigrants comprise a fraction of 64 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: the population, many of them from China, from Vietnam, and 65 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: to a lesser but prominent extent Kurdish people. And then 66 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: the big one, of course, are the changes that Takehi 67 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: has promised to the constitution, which stand to depacify Japan 68 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: and constitutionally recognize that it does in fact have an army, 69 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: not a self defense force. And that's something which breaks 70 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: nearly eight decades of illegal fiction that's existed in this country, 71 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: this idea, dating back to the nineteen forties after Japan's 72 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: defeat in the war, that it was committed to nonviolence, 73 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: while at the same time and since then building up 74 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: one of the most sophisticated militaries in the region. 75 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: The thing that rocketed Takaichi to global attention was that 76 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: she picked a fight with China, which you don't see 77 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: people in Asia doing very often. It means, back at 78 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: your regular home in Beijing, you presumably can't order Japanese 79 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: fish at your local restaurant. What was that all about. 80 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: So that happened about one month after she assent it 81 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: to power here in Japan, back in September, so just 82 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: a few weeks after she takes a job as Prime Minister, 83 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 2: she stands up in parliament and breaks long standing convention 84 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: by talking about Taiwan and contingencies. And what she declares 85 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: in the National Parliament is that in the event that 86 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 2: China decides to attack or invade or conduct any style 87 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 2: of adventurism in Taiwan, Japan would view it as an 88 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: existential crisis for itself and may have to militarily interven. 89 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: Now that's a lot of diplomatic language, but what it 90 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: basically says is Japan would do something if China and 91 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: Taiwan went at each other. And Beijing didn't like hearing 92 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: that one bit straight away, A fur or erupted. There 93 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 2: were bands on seafood, the Chinese instructed their tourists to 94 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: stay away from Japan. There were bands on where earth 95 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: exports going into Japan, and essentially like a mini Cold 96 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: War erupted between these two nations, and that persists for 97 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: the moment most if not for it spelled it now. 98 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: It's something that when you're speaking to voters on the 99 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: streets of Tokyo, there will be a cohort of people 100 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: who will say, this is not something that we wanted 101 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: for Japan. We did not want to pick a fight 102 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: with our largest creating partner. This is not what the 103 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 2: country needs right now. On the other hand, you have 104 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: this enormous cohort in Japan, and clearly they exist because 105 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 2: they've voted her into power so comprehensively, this enormous cohort 106 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: who have said, we do need a spine in the region, 107 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: we do need more defense spending, and we do need 108 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: to assert ourselves militarily in a region where China has 109 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: the power to exert economic sanctions on us at the 110 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: drop of the hat. 111 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: Sana Aitekiichi presumably doesn't actually want to have a war 112 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: with China, which is the most powerful military in the world, 113 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: probably by the United States. There's a certain, obviously domestic 114 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: resonance to what she said. You know, she has got 115 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: herself re elected with this resounding mandate because in part 116 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: of talking tough like this, how much do you think 117 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: she actually wants to provoke China in the way that 118 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: she obviously has. 119 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: There's no doubt that Sanae Take she does not want 120 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: to provoke China into any further economic sanctions or at 121 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: worst some kind of military conflict. That's not what she wants. 122 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: It's not what the Japanese public wants. That's clear when 123 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: you speak to anyone on the street and when you 124 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: speak to the pundits in this country. However, there is 125 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: a view that kowtowing to China is appeasement, and Sanaei 126 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: Take she is pushing back against that idea, and it's 127 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: why she's so forceful about displaying some backbone with the 128 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: military and having the army entered into the constitution formally. 129 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: China's in a state of flux at the moment. A 130 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, the head of the military just disappeared, 131 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: Shi Jinping. He talks a lot about China. He talks 132 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: a lot about Japan's war of aggression in the nineteen forties. 133 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: World War two, China flexes its muscle in the region 134 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: by building islands in the South China Sea, by sending 135 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: spy ships to surveil the coast of Australia. There's a 136 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: lot of flexing going on from China's point of view. 137 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: Do you think the election of a sort of strong 138 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: leader in Japan will shape how Shijinping thinks about invading Taiwan. 139 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: I suspect that broadly in China, there is going to 140 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: be a view that Sannai Takachi's brand of politics is 141 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: what one academic described to me an academic from China 142 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: as shadowy imperialism. So they seem to receive all her 143 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: muscular nationalism and talk of increasing defense spending and having 144 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: the military inserted into the constitution as of Japan that 145 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: is trying to harp back to the country. It was 146 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: China didn't want to see Sunai Takachi elected, although they 147 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 2: did see this result coming. 148 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: Coming up more of my conversation with Yanni Bishan. Until 149 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: this election result, the most Australians were hearing about Japan 150 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: was that they've had an incredibly tough winter that has yielded, 151 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: of course, amazing snow for the people who like to 152 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: go over to Japan to ski and snowboard. It's also 153 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: resulted in several deaths. Three Australian tourists and many many 154 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: people in Japan have died while doing things like shoveling 155 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: snow off their own roofs. It's a real natural disaster 156 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: in slow motion in Japan. Yani, you've spent the weekend 157 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: in Tokyo. Paint a picture for me. What's it like? 158 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: How cold is it? 159 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cold. This is also very unusual for 160 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: this election. It was held in February. This is not 161 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: something that they traditionally do in this country decades since 162 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: there's been an election held in February. And there's a 163 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: reason for it. It's just very, very cold, and it 164 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: affects voter turnout because large parts of the country, particularly 165 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: up north, they get blanketed in snow and people don't 166 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: want to go out. And you see, unlike Australia where 167 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 2: we have compulsory voting, in Japan, you don't have to 168 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: go out and vote. It's entirely voluntary, and that's why 169 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 2: the voter turnout in this particular election, which was reasonably 170 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: high and reasonably high despite the snow, is quite impressive. 171 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 2: The other thing I'd say about Japanese elections, which is 172 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: really different to what we're used to, is that they're 173 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: just kind of not as lurid and not as chaotic 174 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 2: as we've come to expect in Australia. I mean, yes, 175 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: there are campaign ads, and there's core flutes and things 176 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: of that nature, but not like we have in Sydney, Melbourne, 177 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 2: Brisbane and Perth and the regions very very different over here. 178 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 2: I mean, we are talking about a society. This is 179 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: one thing that I noticed in particular. I mean, this 180 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: is a society where if you're crossing the street on 181 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: a busy road and there's no cars, there's no traffic, 182 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: you'll just have a large amount of people gathering at 183 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: street corners refusing to cross until the little man turns green, 184 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: and people from other countries, myself included, will just stand 185 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: looking around, going why isn't anyone crossing there's no cars, like, 186 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: we're free to do so, but they will wait. It 187 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: is orderly, it is civilized, and the election was thus 188 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: very Japanese. If you'll permit me to say, so you 189 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: walk around. There aren't core flutes, cable types every pole insight, 190 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: there aren't gigantic billboards of grinting candidates, and it didn't 191 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: feel as as in your face as we would have expected, 192 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: particularly given what we're used to back home. 193 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: You've had an incredible weekend, very busy weekend covering this election. 194 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: I hope you're going to find time to get some 195 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: Japanese seafood before you have to head back to Beijing. 196 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: Jodi Rashean, thank you very much. 197 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: Thank you