Speaker 1: Or something similar to it. I asked her if she
Speaker 1: thought it sounded like a twenty two. She said, yes,
Speaker 1: we just yelled for everybody.
Speaker 2: Good morning.
Speaker 3: You're watching outsiders. This is devastating news. Shots fired at
Speaker 3: Donald Trump at a Trump rally less than an hour ago.
Speaker 3: The former president appeared to have been clipped by a bullet.
Speaker 3: There was blood clearly visible around his ear, But after
Speaker 3: ducking down and being swamped by security guards, Donald Trump
Speaker 3: was clearly seen pumping his fist defiantly in the air,
Speaker 3: yelling out fight, fight, fight as he was rushed away.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is alive after surviving what looks at this
Speaker 3: stage to be an assassination attempt. This is massive news
Speaker 3: and something many of us have feared for many years.
Speaker 3: We will bring you every development and reaction from the
Speaker 3: United States to this unfolding story. Just to recap, bullets
Speaker 3: fired at a Trump rally. Donald Trump appears to have
Speaker 3: been hit behind the ear, blood behind his ear, on
Speaker 3: his face. He is alive. Let's show you how our
Speaker 3: colleagues at Fox News captured the moment as it happened.
Speaker 4: Look at what happened.
Speaker 5: Let me let me get so.
Speaker 6: We're got.
Speaker 7: Me.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you.
Speaker 5: Horrific news.
Speaker 3: We've all feared this for many, many years, an assassination
Speaker 3: attempt on Donald Trump. They've tried everything else, They've tried
Speaker 3: to shoot him now, but he is safe. He appears
Speaker 3: to be alive. He is in hospital. The security guards
Speaker 3: rushed him away. James Morrow, What do you make this
Speaker 3: happened less than an hour ago, forty five minutes ago, James,
Speaker 3: an assassination attempt on Donald Trump?
Speaker 4: Well, rowand I am shocked, but I cannot say that
Speaker 4: I am surprised if you look at the temperature of
Speaker 4: the debate and the discussion around Donald Trump in the
Speaker 4: United States, the way that he has been made into
Speaker 4: an absolute hate figure for so many on the left.
Speaker 4: Now we don't know at this stage who was responsible
Speaker 4: for this. There are some unconfirmed reports that the Secret
Speaker 4: Service said the shooter was down. We don't know quite
Speaker 4: what that means.
Speaker 7: It.
Speaker 4: We don't know who was responsible for this, But the
Speaker 4: overall temperature in the United States around Donald Trump on
Speaker 4: the left is so high and so hot right now
Speaker 4: that I have been sadly expecting something like this to
Speaker 4: happen at some point.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: I have been to Trump rallies before in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: There is security. I know that they have ramped up
Speaker 4: security for this campaign, but I will say this image here,
Speaker 4: that iconic image. I don't know if we can show
Speaker 4: the still images of Donald Trump, this image right here,
Speaker 4: holding his fist up, his blood coming out of his
Speaker 4: ear where he appears to have been clipped grazed by
Speaker 4: what we believe to be an assassin's bullet. These will
Speaker 4: be iconic images of this campaign. I think I don't
Speaker 4: know how the Democrats back from this, especially if we
Speaker 4: don't know who the shooter or the alleged shooter is
Speaker 4: at this stage. I do know we're already starting to
Speaker 4: see attempts by some of the media to talk this down,
Speaker 4: to turn this into a debate about gun control.
Speaker 5: CNN even said.
Speaker 4: CNN even said on their website that the Trump rally
Speaker 4: was interrupted after Donald Trump fell at the rally, which
Speaker 4: calls you how dishonest. An awful lot of people are
Speaker 4: going to be about what just happened. But make no mistake, Rowan,
Speaker 4: this was political violence. And if it is as it looks,
Speaker 4: this is the sort of thing there is no place
Speaker 4: for this in American politics or any democratic public political system.
Speaker 3: Well, they've been demonizing Donald Trump so ruthlessly and relentlessly.
Speaker 3: Let's go to analyse Nilssen in the States to chat
Speaker 3: to her about what exactly has happened there. Analyst, give
Speaker 3: us your thoughts the latest news on this assassination attempt
Speaker 3: on Donald Trump.
Speaker 9: Look, this was, I think, as James said, something that
Speaker 9: is always a risk for any president, but this has
Speaker 9: been a live risk for Donald Trump for some time,
Speaker 9: and so it's just how much is at stake for
Speaker 9: this election. So if you watch the footage back, it
Speaker 9: all happens in just a matter of moments, and you
Speaker 9: can see when Donald Trump goes to grab his ear,
Speaker 9: he's obviously felt the impact of the bullets before you
Speaker 9: start hearing those popping sounds in the recording. He drops
Speaker 9: down and then this is really going to define all
Speaker 9: of this, as the Secret Service leaps on him to
Speaker 9: take him off the stage.
Speaker 10: He fist pumps, fight, fight, fight.
Speaker 9: So I think there's a few reasons that's so iconic,
Speaker 9: just the extraordinary site of a former president, leading candidate
Speaker 9: for this election being let off stage, covered in blood,
Speaker 9: yelling out fighting. I think also as Americans starch process,
Speaker 9: this is going to think about the image of what
Speaker 9: if something like that happened to Biden.
Speaker 10: And it just goes back.
Speaker 9: Into that very relevant discussion across America about his age,
Speaker 9: whether he is up to go for another four years,
Speaker 9: because that debate put that on the front mind of
Speaker 9: people across the country. And so this is also coming
Speaker 9: at a time when Donald Trump is pulling ahead, when
Speaker 9: he has the Republican Party United behind him, And the
Speaker 9: other major factor for all this is the big weakness
Speaker 9: from his critics, is that he has all these legal
Speaker 9: cases against him, that he's a felon, and he's always
Speaker 9: framed this as saying, this is the elite's coming after me,
Speaker 9: this is my enemy's coming after me, and I'm the
Speaker 9: only thing between them and coming after you. So to
Speaker 9: have an actual attempt on his life at this point
Speaker 9: in the election.
Speaker 10: Campaign is going to completely redefine all of this. And
Speaker 10: thankfully he's okay.
Speaker 9: Thankfully, his team said he's been treated at a local
Speaker 9: medical facility and that the investigation started.
Speaker 10: That's from the Secret Service as well.
Speaker 9: But in a matter of days, he'll be here in Milwaukee,
Speaker 9: he'll have a stadium full of his supporters, and you
Speaker 9: can imagine it's already been locked down by the Secret Service.
Speaker 9: Everything's going to go up as many not just as
Speaker 9: you can imagine. But he's going to have the support
Speaker 9: of his entire party, and he's going to have bandages
Speaker 9: on his blood coming out from the last attempt.
Speaker 10: On his life.
Speaker 3: I suppose we'll have that, Analis, I suppose, well, Analis,
Speaker 3: I suppose we'll have those. Donald Trump band aids will
Speaker 3: be the next bit of merchandise out there. But this
Speaker 3: is serious news. Analyse. The demonizing of Donald Trump has
Speaker 3: been relentless by the Democrat Party, by the left wing
Speaker 3: media in America. It has been relentless court cases against him,
Speaker 3: ninety four chargers, endlessly calling him the most evil orange
Speaker 3: person and a threat to democracy? Is it any wonder
Speaker 3: analyse that someone some you know, we don't know who yet,
Speaker 3: and we don't know why, but we can imagine some
Speaker 3: nutjob has decided, Okay, I'm going to take out this
Speaker 3: great threat to democracy myself. How much blamed are the
Speaker 3: Democrats and the left wing media in America and around
Speaker 3: the world bear for this awful event that's happened just
Speaker 3: this afternoon American time here and Sunday morning in Australia.
Speaker 9: Well, I can already see one comment made by Joe
Speaker 9: Biden has started trending on Twitter or x where he said,
Speaker 9: it's enough time talking about my debate performance. We need
Speaker 9: to put the bullseye on on Donald Trump. So this
Speaker 9: is going to play all. He's a country that has
Speaker 9: a lot of guns, highest guns per capita of any
Speaker 9: first world country in the world, and this is always
Speaker 9: a risk. This is why they have such intense Secret Service,
Speaker 9: and our former prime ministers can go around like there's
Speaker 9: not much to it, but for the US they keep
Speaker 9: that up. The question is going to be, how on
Speaker 9: earth did this happen in one of these environments. I
Speaker 9: heard Jameson mentioning that before, but I've been to plenty
Speaker 9: of Trump rallies and they're.
Speaker 10: Always super tight.
Speaker 9: I've had hairspray cands confiscated because it's a security risk.
Speaker 9: You go into these things and they go through like
Speaker 9: airport style security. When we bring our camera equipment in,
Speaker 9: it has to go in eight hours early, so the
Speaker 9: Secret Service could do it's sweet and remove anything potentially threatening.
Speaker 9: How on earth anyone got that close to President Trump
Speaker 9: and that environment with what There's pretty much no option
Speaker 9: at this point that we can reasonably think that would
Speaker 9: be anything other than a gunshot at the president with
Speaker 9: his ear damaged like that, and the shots sound fired
Speaker 9: that we heard on the tape, So I think we
Speaker 9: can reasonably assume at this point, even if we haven't
Speaker 9: had the exact confirmation. But this just shows how vitriolic
Speaker 9: things have gotten at this point in time. Every previous
Speaker 9: assassination attempt on a US president has come at those
Speaker 9: really peak times of division, and it's always gotten worse afterwards.
Speaker 3: We've had Don Elys, We've had all the way back
Speaker 3: to Lincoln, We've had Kennedy, we've had Reagan, now Trump,
Speaker 3: what will be What has been the reaction from the supporters,
Speaker 3: apart from obviously horror and shock. Are they seeing this
Speaker 3: as as yet another sign that Trump is destined back
Speaker 3: for the White House, that he's survived this assassination attempt
Speaker 3: much as Reagan survived his.
Speaker 9: Well, you don't try to take someone out if you
Speaker 9: don't see them as a threat. So this is going
Speaker 9: to absolutely frame this election for Trump like that those
Speaker 9: images of him raising his fist in defiance with blood
Speaker 9: streaming on his face are going to be iconic for
Speaker 9: this century. That is just such an encapsulation of where
Speaker 9: we are now, what he's defied to get there, and
Speaker 9: how do the Democrats push back on that. All we've
Speaker 9: heard for the President so far is that he's been
Speaker 9: briefed on the incident, he's been at church today, his book.
Speaker 9: Apart from that, his entire weekend was cleared, because all
Speaker 9: he's been doing is trying to call his own supporters
Speaker 9: to shore up supporter as they abandon him quickly. And
Speaker 9: then who takes on this when we can assume that
Speaker 9: Joe Biden will have to step down at some point.
Speaker 9: With the way things are going, something has to change
Speaker 9: for it to turn around, and generally, age related memory
Speaker 9: doesn't turn for the better at any point, and so
Speaker 9: this really is just kind of limping towards its natural
Speaker 9: conclusion at this point. But what we do know is
Speaker 9: that Donald Trump is going to use this as a
Speaker 9: solidifying force, and he's already got the Republicans completely.
Speaker 10: United behind him.
Speaker 9: As I mentioned before, even at this convention, those few
Speaker 9: delegates that were pledged to Nikki Haley, she'd already released
Speaker 9: them because she said it was a moment for unity.
Speaker 9: And so every single of every single one of the
Speaker 9: almost three thousand delegates coming to here to Milwaukee.
Speaker 10: Water back in Donald Trump.
Speaker 9: After years have been told how much division there was
Speaker 9: in the party, how Republicans were so all over the
Speaker 9: place and couldn't.
Speaker 10: Figure out what their core was.
Speaker 9: Their core is Donald Trump now and he's ready to
Speaker 9: come take that mantle.
Speaker 10: And people are going to be scared. This is a
Speaker 10: scary thing to see in assassination attempts like this, and.
Speaker 9: So they'll lean more towards those extremes and their voting
Speaker 9: as well.
Speaker 8: Caroline filling in for reader Pane here here analyst Caroline
Speaker 8: Marcus on the disk.
Speaker 11: How do you see this playing out for his campaign?
Speaker 8: Do you think this will trans into even better polling
Speaker 8: for Donald Trump? As you say, that is such an
Speaker 8: iconic image already that we've seen with that fist pump
Speaker 8: in the air, do you think that will translate into
Speaker 8: even better polling?
Speaker 9: I think it well could, because, just as I said before,
Speaker 9: it's a scary thing to happen, and that's a very
Speaker 9: motivating thing for elections. One of the things that doesn't
Speaker 9: work well in non compulsory voting systems is people being
Speaker 9: apathetic about anything, and so when you have something so
Speaker 9: clearly unifying like this. It is going to encourage people
Speaker 9: to vote and encourage them for a change more secure.
Speaker 9: But also we have to keep an eyenail on where
Speaker 9: these protests go. We are expecting a big protest here
Speaker 9: at the RNC on Tuesday. There's a march on the
Speaker 9: RNC and we're told at least fifteen hundred people potentially
Speaker 9: more are going to come protests. Now there's a reason
Speaker 9: for all those right wing protesters.
Speaker 10: Who might have sat it out otherwise.
Speaker 9: And just been happy with seeing their guy on the
Speaker 9: stage to come out and give them a piece of
Speaker 9: their mind. And these things ken turned violence as we've
Speaker 9: seen before. I mean, James can tell you about the
Speaker 9: nineteen sixty eight convention in Chicago. But what we're going
Speaker 9: to see here is just this is going to completely
Speaker 9: solidify so many of truck supporters who were happy to
Speaker 9: kind of sit things out and watch it roll because
Speaker 9: the guy was coming back in. Now they've got something
Speaker 9: to be angry about.
Speaker 3: And Lise Nilson, thanks so much. We might cross back
Speaker 3: to you later on in the show. Thanks so much
Speaker 3: fulfilling us in there. So just to recap the latest news,
Speaker 3: if you just switched on, there has been an assassination
Speaker 3: attempt on Donald Trump at a rally Saturday afternoon in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: The president, the former president, Donald Trump, appears to be
Speaker 3: in good health. He was clipped behind the ear. There
Speaker 3: was blood clearly visible behind his ear and across his
Speaker 3: face as he first went down behind the podium and
Speaker 3: then reappeared surrounded by secret security officers who bundled him
Speaker 3: off took him away. He was defiant the entire time,
Speaker 3: pumping his fist in the air, screaming out fight, fight fights.
Speaker 3: A lot of reaction from the support is also yelling.
Speaker 3: Obviously a lot of high emotions. Donald Trump was bundled
Speaker 3: into a van, still pumping his fist in the air,
Speaker 3: still defiantly calling out fight, fight fights. There were two
Speaker 3: shots that sounded like that were fired. It did appear
Speaker 3: to clip his ear, blood everywhere. This is an assassination attempt, clearly, Jans.
Speaker 4: Absolutely it was. I mean, that's the only thing that
Speaker 4: we can think at this point. It's not something random.
Speaker 4: Somebody had to go and figure out how to, as
Speaker 4: Annaly said, get that weapon through very tight security and
Speaker 4: get that close to the former president.
Speaker 5: This is just shocking to me, and I just want.
Speaker 4: To talk a bit more about, you know, this real
Speaker 4: culture that has grown up around the hate around Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: You know, the other day John mcwater, who is a
Speaker 4: New York Times columnist on a podcast said he said
Speaker 4: sort of in jest, but said that he was wishing
Speaker 4: that somebody would shoot Donald Trump. This is what Joe
Speaker 4: Biden tweeted just a day and a half ago. He
Speaker 4: Saidmericans want a president, not a dictator. Now, when you've
Speaker 4: got the President of the United States essentially saying this
Speaker 4: person here is a dictator. The whole the whole narrative
Speaker 4: around Trump is this idea that he is a threat
Speaker 4: to the American Republic, American democracy, the American way of life.
Speaker 4: If those messages go into somebody who is and again
Speaker 4: we don't know who is responsible for this, we'll find
Speaker 4: out about this, but you know, the temperature around Donald
Speaker 4: Trump is so overheated, and this is just like you know,
Speaker 4: you remember after jfk was assassinated. Well I don't remember
Speaker 4: because I wasn't born then, but you know, after that
Speaker 4: that assassination of John F. Kennedy, the whole thing was
Speaker 4: blamed on.
Speaker 5: And culture of hate around John F. Kennedy.
Speaker 4: Now you can talk about what actually happened there. But
Speaker 4: the point is that these things, you know, words do
Speaker 4: matter and the way.
Speaker 3: But I also want to I want to just interrupt
Speaker 3: you that generals, because the Sky News in the UK
Speaker 3: are reporting that an individual was killed in this assassination attempt.
Speaker 3: We don't know who. We don't have any more details,
Speaker 3: but we will bring those to you. That one person
Speaker 3: apparently is dead, whether that was the shooter or or
Speaker 3: someone else, we don't know this Google too.
Speaker 4: We had heard before that the Secret Service had said
Speaker 4: shoot her down. And I can tell you that the
Speaker 4: Secret Service, I've been, I've traveled with presidents before when
Speaker 4: I lived in the United States, they have counter assault teams,
Speaker 4: they have snipers. They would have had somebody on that
Speaker 4: person and would have pulled the trigger on that person immediately.
Speaker 3: Well that's what we're hearing, so we'll give you those details.
Speaker 3: We're going now to Christian Witten, who's in the States
Speaker 3: regularly here on Outsiders. Christian, thanks for coming on you
Speaker 3: were you to come on anyway today, But my goodness,
Speaker 3: what a morning. I was appalled to hear from our correspondent,
Speaker 3: Analyst Nilsson, that Joe Biden had put out a message
Speaker 3: or a tweet the other day saying, stop talking about
Speaker 3: my bad performance at the debate. Let's put the bullseye
Speaker 3: on Donald Trump. Now, as James was just saying, this
Speaker 3: endless talk about him being a dictator, about him being
Speaker 3: the worst person on earth, threat to democracy. How much
Speaker 3: responsibility Christian do the Democrats and the left wing media
Speaker 3: in America bear for what clearly is an assassination attempt
Speaker 3: on Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Well, I'd say a lot.
Speaker 12: We'll have to wait and see exactly what was going
Speaker 12: on here and what the motives were, but it looks
Speaker 12: like it was some nutjob responding to the outrageous rhetoric
Speaker 12: that has been coming from the left. There are the
Speaker 12: items you just mentioned. There's The New Republic, which used
Speaker 12: to actually be a responsible, even handed magazine of the
Speaker 12: center left, classical liberal, just put a picture of Donald
Speaker 12: Trump as Adolf Hitler on its cover. And you know,
Speaker 12: let's use the liberal's own standard here.
Speaker 3: These people.
Speaker 12: When Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska, had a
Speaker 12: television and had they just had crosshairs moving over congressional districts. Later,
Speaker 12: she was blamed when Gabby Gifford's a congresswoman was shot,
Speaker 12: saying Palin was responsible.
Speaker 2: Because she did the crosshairs thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 12: One other point too, is you know, the person who's
Speaker 12: just commenting mentioned JFK. He was killed by someone who
Speaker 12: was a communist, sympathized the person who shot Robert Kennedy. Again,
Speaker 12: there was supposed to be this culture of right wing hankshids.
Speaker 12: Actually he was shot by and killed by someone who
Speaker 12: was a proto Islamist. And if you look at the
Speaker 12: Summer of Love, summer of twenty twenty, when American cities
Speaker 12: were torn apart, it was left wing violence.
Speaker 2: Yes, we do have right wing nutjobs too.
Speaker 12: There were the people in the khakis at Charlottesville with
Speaker 12: the tiki torches, and there were the rioters on January sixth.
Speaker 12: But you've seen this again and again, this trend of
Speaker 12: left wing political violence.
Speaker 3: Christian, what's the How astonished or surprised were you? I
Speaker 3: mean many of us here. I've been fearful for many years,
Speaker 3: but particularly the last few months, that the only way
Speaker 3: they would stop Donald Trump getting back into the oval
Speaker 3: lop was to shoot him. I haven't dard say that
Speaker 3: because you don't want to say it, but that's been
Speaker 3: my greatest fear. As an avid Trump supporter, it has
Speaker 3: been feared for a long time. What's the reaction amongst
Speaker 3: Republicans there in America at the moment.
Speaker 12: Everyone I've talked to has been completely astonished. You know,
Speaker 12: I was on of all places, a Russian TV show
Speaker 12: a couple of weeks ago, when was asked by the host, well,
Speaker 12: what if they try and shoot, just take out Donald Trump?
Speaker 12: And I thought, well, that's just sort of Russian style thinking.
Speaker 12: We don't really have that in America. If you look,
Speaker 12: the security around presidents and presidential candidates has been increased
Speaker 12: so dramatically since Reagan was shot in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 2: It's almost become absurd.
Speaker 12: With presidents, their motorcids are so big and so long,
Speaker 12: and have something. They have tactical ambulances, they have twenty
Speaker 12: suburbans and every road is shut down. The presidential candidates
Speaker 12: and former presidents don't get that. And as your reporter
Speaker 12: earlier mentioned, everyone going in anywhere close as screens. So
Speaker 12: something did.
Speaker 2: Go wrong here. It's you know, early days. We don't
Speaker 2: know exactly what happened.
Speaker 12: The gunshots weren't so loud and so close that everyone
Speaker 12: on the bleachers hit the deck, so it will be
Speaker 12: interesting to see which weapon was used in how far
Speaker 12: away Trump's head was turned to the right it hit
Speaker 12: his right ear. It applies that someone who shot that
Speaker 12: the bullets were close behind may have almost passed behind
Speaker 12: him but did not and would have come from either
Speaker 12: the extreme left or extreme right of the stage. But
Speaker 12: a lot of people think the Secret Service is sort
Speaker 12: of one of the parts of government that hasn't been corrupted,
Speaker 12: that does a very good job, a very thorough job.
Speaker 2: Just getting into the White.
Speaker 12: House, even if you have official business or if you
Speaker 12: work there as a real pain. So this is even
Speaker 12: though the rhetoric is so high and it's tuned to
Speaker 12: political violence thanks to the left. This is a shock
Speaker 12: to to everyone I've spoken to this afternoon here And.
Speaker 4: What sorry, James, Yeah, I just want to got some
Speaker 4: breaking news here. Apparently the President is being briefed by
Speaker 4: the Director of the Secret Service, the Department of Homeland
Speaker 4: Security and the Chief of Staff and a number of
Speaker 4: other people. So, but I want to ask you again.
Speaker 4: A moment ago I spoke about this tweet here from
Speaker 4: Joe Biden where he said that America wants a president,
Speaker 4: not a dictator.
Speaker 5: Now, I mean you.
Speaker 4: Were seeing it there on our screen. This seems to
Speaker 4: me almost like incitement or if not incitement, at least
Speaker 4: kind of permission to people who are on the left,
Speaker 4: hard left, unhinged. And we've seen this, as you say, long, long,
Speaker 4: long tradition of political violence from the left. You know,
Speaker 4: whether it's the riots during the Summer of Love in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty, whether it's the assassination of John F.
Speaker 13: Kennedy.
Speaker 4: Do you think that the White House needs to really
Speaker 4: take a good hard look at how it has behaved
Speaker 4: and the way it has led the rhetoric and the
Speaker 4: demonizing not just of Donald Trump but of Donald Trump supporters.
Speaker 4: And how do you think the media is going to
Speaker 4: play this? Are they going to start to try and
Speaker 4: make this about gun control or something other than the
Speaker 4: parent attempted assassination of a presidential candidate.
Speaker 12: Right, Well, on your last question, we're already saying that
Speaker 12: exactly happened. All of the corporate media here, all of
Speaker 12: the left wing media. CNN was worth saying that that
Speaker 12: Trump was escorted off the stage after he fell. All
Speaker 12: of the main networks, if you look what their first
Speaker 12: reactions were, Basically, the implication was This is not an
Speaker 12: assassination attempt. This is not political violence. And so once again,
Speaker 12: as with the president's mental state, as with anything they
Speaker 12: are doing, the bidding of the Biden campaign.
Speaker 2: It's for your earlier question. I mean, I think President
Speaker 2: Biden ought to resign.
Speaker 12: He was the one who just five days ago said
Speaker 12: we're putting the crosshairs on Donald Trump. And as you mentioned,
Speaker 12: saying that democracy at staked. We had four years of
Speaker 12: Donald Trump's presidency, including two years where he controlled both
Speaker 12: houses of Congress and when he had a political majority
Speaker 12: on the Supreme Court, effective Republican control of all.
Speaker 2: Three branches of government. Did he become a dictator?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 2: Did he refuse to leave office on January twentieth.
Speaker 12: Well, he attempted, certainly to have the election looked at
Speaker 12: in a different light than people were looking at it.
Speaker 12: But he left. He didn't break any laws, I don't think.
Speaker 12: I think all the charges against him are phony. And
Speaker 12: so is this constant accusation that he's a dictatorship. Yeah,
Speaker 12: eventually you're going to get the message through to a
Speaker 12: nutjob who does something violent like this, And it's this
Speaker 12: inability to discuss the issues facing this country and instead
Speaker 12: to engage in the politics of personal destruction.
Speaker 2: They can't talk about inflation.
Speaker 12: They can't talk about why we got thrown out of Afghanistan,
Speaker 12: why Iran is running around the Middle East. They can't
Speaker 12: talk about why US energy production has been lagging, and
Speaker 12: why people are furious at high prices, and why the
Speaker 12: border is open.
Speaker 2: And so what do you do?
Speaker 12: You demonize your opponent, and I think that has a cost.
Speaker 3: Christian Whitten, thanks so much for coming on and chatting
Speaker 3: to us. What an extraordinary day and history assassination attempt
Speaker 3: on Donald Trump and what that means for the future
Speaker 3: of America. Thanks Christian so much for coming on, and
Speaker 3: we'll chat again soon. Let's just have another look now
Speaker 3: at the actual moments of the shooting of Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: which happened less than about an hour ago through Fox.
Speaker 3: Have a listen, look here, look at what happened.
Speaker 5: Let me let meet. So we're going.
Speaker 12: I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: Okay, And we've now got a statement from Donald Trump's
Speaker 3: Truth Social which is his social media outlet.
Speaker 5: Here we go.
Speaker 3: President Trump thanks the enforcement and first responders for their
Speaker 3: quick action during this heenous act. This is the he
Speaker 3: is fine and is being can't read the rest of it.
Speaker 8: Caroline checked out at a local medical facility. More details,
Speaker 8: a little bit closer to the screen.
Speaker 3: Than you are, right, Thanks Caroline. That's great. So Caroline,
Speaker 3: what a day for you to be here on Outsiders
Speaker 3: with us. What a morning?
Speaker 5: Incredible, this is extraordinary.
Speaker 11: Breaking new story.
Speaker 8: I think we've got Shaun Spice on the line as well,
Speaker 8: so let's go to an interview with.
Speaker 11: Him, because he will really.
Speaker 8: Have an insight into what will be in everyone's minds
Speaker 8: in the US in the presidential campaign.
Speaker 11: Seawan, thank you for joining us on Outsiders.
Speaker 3: Sean, great to have you, But under what circumstances give
Speaker 3: us your thoughts on what has happened with this attempted
Speaker 3: assassination on Donald Trump and who's to blame.
Speaker 6: Well, it's outrageous and I think we're gonna have plenty
Speaker 6: of time to figure out who's to blame. I think
Speaker 6: the commentary that you guys are providing has been spot on.
Speaker 6: It's interesting the Democrats are quick to accuse everybody on
Speaker 6: the right about political violence.
Speaker 14: We'll have to see who this shooter was.
Speaker 6: I've been texting with people on the ground at the
Speaker 6: rally that appears to be several other people that have
Speaker 6: been shot agree to, which I think we're going to
Speaker 6: find out in the coming hours. But this level of
Speaker 6: political violence is something that I have denounced on both
Speaker 6: sides from the get go.
Speaker 14: Several years back, as you recall, I.
Speaker 6: Was with Donald Trump when he visited our Steve Scalise,
Speaker 6: who was at that time the House whip. We went
Speaker 6: to the hospital that night to visit Congressman Scalise and
Speaker 6: his team and the police officers that have been shot.
Speaker 14: So again, I think we don't know. We'll low a
Speaker 14: lot more.
Speaker 6: You heard in that video the Secret Service saying shoot
Speaker 6: her down. We'll get a lot more detail soon. There's
Speaker 6: gonna be a lot of questions about security as your audience,
Speaker 6: just as you discussed with your audience earlier, in terms
Speaker 6: of how something got in, what kind of weapon was it,
Speaker 6: and then who the shooter was in their background. But
Speaker 6: I think that what you guys are touching on is
Speaker 6: very interesting because the rhetoric of the left, you know,
Speaker 6: is something that gets a pass in our media, and
Speaker 6: Christian Witten mentioned this over and over again. You listen
Speaker 6: to people like Chuck um Er, the Senate Majority Leader,
Speaker 6: Maxine Waters, the congressman from California who advocate for violence
Speaker 6: against people on the right.
Speaker 14: It gets very little attention.
Speaker 6: So if this were to match up, I think we
Speaker 6: would know exactly who to blame.
Speaker 5: And Sean, I just want to read to you.
Speaker 4: It's funny you mentioned Chuck Schumer because I've just been
Speaker 4: sent some quotes that he stated back in May when
Speaker 4: he claimed that Donald Trump was quote falsely suggesting his
Speaker 4: political opponents are out to kill him, and Chuck Schumer
Speaker 4: said that this was quote beyond the pale and is
Speaker 4: the stuff that leads to political violence. That's what Schumer
Speaker 4: said on the Senate for and accused Donald Trump of
Speaker 4: having no consideration for the sanctity and peacefulness and further
Speaker 4: functioning of our democracy. So, I mean, you see in
Speaker 4: that quote exactly the sort of gaslighting that the left does,
Speaker 4: where on the one hand they say, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: this whole thing is completely overblown, No one's going to
Speaker 4: try and shoot Donald Trump, and then in the very
Speaker 4: next breath on to say, but this guy is a complete,
Speaker 4: you know, threat to our democracy. Saw The questions for you, though,
Speaker 4: is you've been on presidential campaigns. You know how these
Speaker 4: things work, as have I how does Donald Trump now
Speaker 4: campaign going forward? Is it going to be more difficult
Speaker 4: to hold these big rallies, you know, with the security
Speaker 4: that you'll be needing now that there's already been one
Speaker 4: apparent attempt on his life.
Speaker 6: Look, I've been in several situations with him, both as
Speaker 6: a candidate and as president of the United States. Ultimately,
Speaker 6: the Secret Services job is to provide the president with
Speaker 6: their recommendation.
Speaker 14: We don't think you should go here. This is how
Speaker 14: much time we're going to need.
Speaker 6: But the president and now candidate Trump, the nominee, can
Speaker 6: override those decisions. And you saw him tonight. They were
Speaker 6: trying to take them off the stage. He wanted to
Speaker 6: get up, hump his fist, he wanted to make sure
Speaker 6: he had his shoes.
Speaker 14: This is Donald Trump as his essence.
Speaker 6: I've been with him before where he's overridden the Secret Service,
Speaker 6: and I think he's going to you.
Speaker 14: He's not going to let this incident.
Speaker 6: Undermine his ability to hold to get in touch with
Speaker 6: the people. They may have to do some additional screenings
Speaker 6: and stuff like that, but I don't think in any way,
Speaker 6: shape or form, this will deter Donald Trump. He is
Speaker 6: going to be in fact, probably more driven to go
Speaker 6: out there and show it was kind of like post COVID.
Speaker 6: If you remember when he returned from you to read,
Speaker 6: he climbed up the stairs rip the mask off. I
Speaker 6: would bet you, if I had to pet put money
Speaker 6: on it.
Speaker 14: Today it is.
Speaker 6: Seven point thirty here Eastern time in the US where
Speaker 6: that occurred. I bet you that we see a photo
Speaker 6: of him by nine thirty tonight, some video of him.
Speaker 14: He's gonna want to be out there.
Speaker 6: He's gonna want to thank law enforcement, not leave it
Speaker 6: to the spokesman Stephen Chung, despite Stephen being a great spokesman.
Speaker 6: I think Trump is going to want to make sure
Speaker 6: that he gets out there, you know, some kind of
Speaker 6: video message. But this is not in any way going
Speaker 6: to deter him. He's going to want to show people
Speaker 6: the fighter he is.
Speaker 15: Now.
Speaker 6: One last thing I'll say, there's stories today about the
Speaker 6: message and the optics that Trump was really trying to
Speaker 6: showcase going into the Republican National Convention. He wanted to
Speaker 6: contrast what he believes is strength versus Joe Biden's weakness,
Speaker 6: and mark my word, tonight, he is going to come
Speaker 6: out of this event trying to show further strength over
Speaker 6: Joe Biden's perceived weakness, and.
Speaker 5: Sean, we're already hearing now from the ap that.
Speaker 4: One shooter that one other person we believe is also
Speaker 4: dead from.
Speaker 5: That from the incident, now that we've we've we've had
Speaker 5: that reported. But also I want just ask you about
Speaker 5: that iconic books to Night, real.
Speaker 14: Quick, real quick.
Speaker 3: On that.
Speaker 6: I think there's there's two things. One is, obviously we
Speaker 6: heard shoot her down. Just to be clear, the Secret Service,
Speaker 6: if they felt like there was an active threat, would
Speaker 6: take the individual out.
Speaker 14: But considering the size of the rally.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if that person was amongst others, I don't know
Speaker 6: that they would. They're not going to just shoot it somebody.
Speaker 6: So there's a possibility that's the person that's down. But
Speaker 6: I've also been texting with folks at the rally. There
Speaker 6: were other people shot. In fact, one of the people
Speaker 6: that I'm texting with so says that somebody in the
Speaker 6: front row got hit in the head. I can't confirm
Speaker 6: that yet, is secondhand. So my point is there are others.
Speaker 6: You heard all those pops go off, and if there's
Speaker 6: people right behind Donald Trump and that audience in that rally,
Speaker 6: I have a hard time believing somebody didn't get hit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so apparently the AP is reporting that another person
Speaker 4: at the rally has been shot at the fatality, so
Speaker 4: that maybe.
Speaker 14: Confirm the person.
Speaker 6: The person that I'm talking to says in the front row,
Speaker 6: somebody near them was shot in the head. Obviously, you know,
Speaker 6: I know as much as that text, but that close,
Speaker 6: that proximity to Trump getting hit in the head would
Speaker 6: be sort of the obvious suspect in that case.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, so we're obviously the details are coming
Speaker 4: through thick and fast too. But I just want to
Speaker 4: go back to that really iconic image again, you know,
Speaker 4: with the blood and the fist bump and the flag.
Speaker 4: To me, it seems like this this is one of
Speaker 4: these moments that's going to go down in American history,
Speaker 4: and this is one of those iconic images. But I
Speaker 4: would also expect that this is going to factor very
Speaker 4: heavily in the Trump campaign because his message to now
Speaker 4: has been, you know, they tried to beat me in
Speaker 4: the lecture, they tried to do this, they tried to
Speaker 4: arrest me, they tried to jail me.
Speaker 5: None of these things work.
Speaker 4: So obviously, you know, this plays into what Donald Trump
Speaker 4: says about the narrative of how far his enemies are
Speaker 4: willing to go to stop him. This is the basically
Speaker 4: the image of the campaign now through November, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Absolutely You're right.
Speaker 6: I mean, think about it. They tried to kick him off.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, I was there in twenty sixteen. We
Speaker 6: can go back, and I've been tweeting about this for
Speaker 6: the last several months. It was the Steele dossier, the
Speaker 6: cover up and the suppression of the laptop, then the
Speaker 6: kick him off the ballot, then the legal the law fair,
Speaker 6: and now this, I think to your point about the
Speaker 6: Schumer quote earlier, think about it. They have mocked him
Speaker 6: for claiming the extent to which others have tried to
Speaker 6: stop him, and now virtually an assassination attempt is at Bay.
Speaker 14: So you can't mock him anymore. You can't say that
Speaker 14: he didn't know what he was talking about.
Speaker 6: You didn't He knew his enemy, he knew the people
Speaker 6: and the extent to which they were going after him.
Speaker 6: And I will be very interested in I think we've
Speaker 6: talked a little bit.
Speaker 14: I've been listening to your coverage.
Speaker 6: I think it was fantastic about how the media here
Speaker 6: in the US is playing it. It's odd that you,
Speaker 6: a foreign entity, a foreign media outlet, is taking this
Speaker 6: more seriously than our own media here in terms of
Speaker 6: fully recognizing it that it's an assassination attempt. I will
Speaker 6: be further interested to see how our democratic leaders here
Speaker 6: in America respond to this. Do they try to turn
Speaker 6: it into a policy cause where they talk about gundom control,
Speaker 6: or do they express sympathy for him and denounce the shooter.
Speaker 6: I will be really interested because I think that the
Speaker 6: Democrats are going to try to use this as an
Speaker 6: opportunity for themselves, a which is horrible, but be shortsighted.
Speaker 3: And Sean and Sean, We've also seen examples of the
Speaker 3: left wing media there, and I repeat myself, the media
Speaker 3: there in the States coming out with nonsense like, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, Donald Trump fell over and at a rally,
Speaker 3: and Caroline, you've got another one for us.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 8: The Washington Post reported the story with the headline Trump
Speaker 8: escorted away after loud noises at Pennsylvania rally.
Speaker 6: I you know what I I I actually hope I'm
Speaker 6: glad you're telling me this, because I'm gonna I'm going
Speaker 6: to start looking capturing and cataloging these this is insane
Speaker 6: fell down after a loud noise. I think the problem,
Speaker 6: Caroline is that they're trying to figure out a way
Speaker 6: to equivocate what Trump just did after being shot and
Speaker 6: Joe Biden falling down the stairs. They want to say,
Speaker 6: see they both fall down. I think that that's the
Speaker 6: truth in the idea is how do we equivocate this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, Sean, I want to I want to ask
Speaker 3: you out what this means for American society as a whole. Now,
Speaker 3: I've always feared that the as James referred to, the
Speaker 3: temperature of the debate in this election and the last one,
Speaker 3: it just seems to rampoping up, you know, civil war
Speaker 3: in America? Riots, What's what's going to happen? What lies ahead?
Speaker 3: Because you don't start shooting presidential candidates unless the temperature
Speaker 3: is way beyond reasonable and rational and has entered a
Speaker 3: pretty serious social unease.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, a few minutes ago I made the
Speaker 6: comment that I've never believed that violence is an acceptable
Speaker 6: way of solving our political differences in America, frankly anywhere,
Speaker 6: and I hope that we continue that. It's been those
Speaker 6: folks on the left. You think about it, after the
Speaker 6: BLM riots where they ran around and deface statues, They
Speaker 6: vandalized buildings and monuments and statues and physically assaulted people.
Speaker 6: I would hope that everybody today takes a big step back,
Speaker 6: and I think that your coverage earlier really illuminated what's
Speaker 6: been going on on the left. They get away with
Speaker 6: this language where they talk about dictatorships, threats to democracy,
Speaker 6: and if you think about it, if you're a big supporter.
Speaker 6: We saw this with Steve Scalice, the shooter, the Bernie
Speaker 6: Sanders supporter that went after him and those other members of.
Speaker 14: Congress on the Republican side. He thought that he was
Speaker 14: exacting their will. He thought, Wow, you are a threat.
Speaker 14: I'll take you out.
Speaker 6: And the big question that's going to come in the
Speaker 6: hours to come is who is the shooter?
Speaker 14: What motivated them?
Speaker 6: I can't, by any means, think that a Trump supporter
Speaker 6: is going to shoot someone they like.
Speaker 14: It's pretty obvious, you know.
Speaker 6: I think if just common sense where this person whoever
Speaker 6: shot the president and these other innocent.
Speaker 14: People came from.
Speaker 6: But the big, you know, the issue is is that
Speaker 6: this is not something that is ever going to be acceptable.
Speaker 6: And I hope that it's further recognition that the left
Speaker 6: needs to watch its rhetoric too.
Speaker 3: Swan Spine, so fantastic, Thanks so much for coming here
Speaker 3: on outside as and chatting to us. What an extraordinary day,
Speaker 3: and thank you so much for your insights and perception. There.
Speaker 3: That was Shaw and Spicer there from the States. Caroline,
Speaker 3: you've been. You've had some social media comment from Scott Morrison.
Speaker 8: Well, were tributes, and I guess tributes that's usually when
Speaker 8: someone's actually killed. But this is what's happened here. Scott Morrison,
Speaker 8: the former Prime Minister of Australia, has already put out
Speaker 8: a post on x He says sad and shocked and
Speaker 8: appalled at the attempted assassination of President Trump.
Speaker 16: Prayers for him and his family today, as.
Speaker 8: Well as all those who put their own lives at
Speaker 8: risk to protect those in public life. Prayers also for
Speaker 8: America and it's people, a great democracy.
Speaker 16: And a great French ault.
Speaker 3: Well that's absolutely right, Scott Morrison. Now let's hear from
Speaker 3: someone who's actually at the rally. This this interview took
Speaker 3: place only a few minutes ago. Have a listen.
Speaker 14: What did you see, sir? I heard the shots.
Speaker 17: I thought it was Star characters to begin with.
Speaker 14: Somebody over there was screaming, he's been shot.
Speaker 3: He's been shot.
Speaker 13: So I made my way over.
Speaker 17: I said, I'm an emergency department physician.
Speaker 1: Let me help you.
Speaker 13: The guy had spun around.
Speaker 5: Was jammed between the benches.
Speaker 7: He had a headshot.
Speaker 17: Here, there's lots of blood and he had brain matter.
Speaker 10: So I got him.
Speaker 8: Here's a helicopter coming in to get him.
Speaker 14: So I got people there, really helpful.
Speaker 17: I got then the CPR bit chest impressions as well
Speaker 17: as a brief.
Speaker 4: Form horrific, James, I mean, what more can you say
Speaker 4: about what we've just seen here? This is apparently an
Speaker 4: attempted assassination of somebody who was going to be, or
Speaker 4: is likely to be now almost surely likely to be
Speaker 4: now the next president of the unice States. This is
Speaker 4: political violence, as far as we can tell. We you know,
Speaker 4: will know more about the shooter, but at this point
Speaker 4: the only thing that we can say is that this
Speaker 4: was this rowan in Caroline. This was the real attempt
Speaker 4: on American democracy. And I think everybody needs to remember this.
Speaker 4: You know, for years now, for years we have been
Speaker 4: told that Donald Trump is.
Speaker 5: The threat to American democracy.
Speaker 4: That the right is the threat to American democracy, that
Speaker 4: they're the ones who want to bring Putin style tactics
Speaker 4: to American politics, that they're the ones who want to
Speaker 4: behave like dictators and authoritarians. Well, you know what, I
Speaker 4: am sorry, But when you have a situation where a
Speaker 4: political candidate is there's an attempt on their life, and
Speaker 4: if this turns out to be, and there's no reason
Speaker 4: to think, because it's the most likely explanation right now,
Speaker 4: that this was some sort of politic motivated assassination attempt here,
Speaker 4: that this is political violence of the worst sort, that
Speaker 4: is an attempt to undermine and interfere with the American
Speaker 4: democratic process. And this is absolutely unacceptable. We have already
Speaker 4: seen on the left side of politics in the last
Speaker 4: three or four weeks, the attempt to remove a sitting
Speaker 4: president through getting him to resign because of his horrendous
Speaker 4: debate performance that is in many ways in itself rather undemocratic,
Speaker 4: because he should stand for election at the next election
Speaker 4: and be dispatched by the voting booth. But this is
Speaker 4: a million times worse. But it is this is the
Speaker 4: denu man of years and years and years of demonization
Speaker 4: of the right and of the left that just seems
Speaker 4: to in some quarters of it really celebrate violence. I'm
Speaker 4: sorry to say that, but that is just simply the truth.
Speaker 8: It's such a shocking incident, but I in some respects,
Speaker 8: I don't think any of us are all that surprise,
Speaker 8: because this seemed like it was an inevitable outcome from
Speaker 8: all the rhetoric that James is talking about.
Speaker 11: You know, Biden himself, as we.
Speaker 8: Pointed out earlier, said it's time to put Trump in
Speaker 8: the bull's eye only day.
Speaker 3: You know, that's deliberate, that's disgraceful. We've got a reaction
Speaker 3: here from Nigel Farage, who of course is a great
Speaker 3: friend of Donald Trump's, and of course Nigel frag did
Speaker 3: brilliantly in the recent elections. Caroline's going to read it out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so Nigel Farage, He's said on x mainstream media
Speaker 8: have spread a narrative of hatred against my friend Donald Trump.
Speaker 8: I hope they are proud of themselves disgusting people, and
Speaker 8: that's exactly what we were.
Speaker 3: I think it's also worth noting, isn't it, James? The
Speaker 3: American people, all the assassination attempts, whether it's Lincoln Kennedy, Martin,
Speaker 3: Luther King, the other Kennedy, Reagan. They always go after
Speaker 3: the guy. Well, I always got off to the very best.
Speaker 3: And now Trump joins that pantheon.
Speaker 4: This is very much a Teddy Roosevelt moment. You know,
Speaker 4: Teddy Roosevelt, he was shocked by an assassin and he
Speaker 4: prepay very much in the same sort of manner. Trump
Speaker 4: is really embracing I think the legacy of Teddy Roosevelt
Speaker 4: right here. But I want to show also, you know,
Speaker 4: just on this overheated rhetoric thing. You know, I remember
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty being in the United States and being
Speaker 4: in New York for that presidential election when Joe Biden
Speaker 4: won that election and defeated Donald Trump. But I was
Speaker 4: in a shop in Soho in Lower Manhattan, and all
Speaker 4: up and down Fifth Avenue and all up and down
Speaker 4: Madison Avenue and all around Soho and all of the
Speaker 4: shopping districts, they were putting plywood over the windows. And
Speaker 4: I said to it, And I said to this guy,
Speaker 4: I said, so, what's what's the deal?
Speaker 5: Playing dumb?
Speaker 4: I said, what's the deal with all the wood over
Speaker 4: the windows and everything? And this is two or three
Speaker 4: days before the election, and he just smiled, laughed and
Speaker 4: shook his head and said, just in case the wrong
Speaker 4: guy wins, because they knew that if Trump won there
Speaker 4: would be violent right. But I want to show just
Speaker 4: if we could show this from the New Republic magazine.
Speaker 4: Somebody we were speaking to a moment ago referenced this
Speaker 4: cover that they ran just days ago. And again, this
Speaker 4: is Donald Trump, American fascist made up to look like
Speaker 4: Adolph Hitler and unhinged.
Speaker 3: James, if you're unhinged or actually believe all the nonsense,
Speaker 3: you know you're not desperately bright individual. Now we don't
Speaker 3: know who the shooter is. The shooter apparently is dead.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're going to see this endless, endless,
Speaker 3: as James says, Caroline, assault on your senses that Donald
Speaker 3: Trump is such an evil person. He's the modern Hitler
Speaker 3: is in a destroyed democracy. If you're a slightly dim
Speaker 3: character who's been marinated in this garbage for years on end,
Speaker 3: well then maybe you will go out and do this.
Speaker 3: And this is what the Left have been hoping. They've
Speaker 3: tried them. They themselves have tried every trick in the
Speaker 3: book to stop Donald Trump. Legal avenues, fake legal avenues,
Speaker 3: I would say, fake certain aspects to do the last election.
Speaker 3: They've had, fortifying elections, all of that, and finally a
Speaker 3: bullet comes Donald Trump's way and as Caroline was just
Speaker 3: saying no and is surprised, Let's have here from another
Speaker 3: person who was at that rally. This assassination attempt took
Speaker 3: place just over an hour ago. Let's sit here from
Speaker 3: one of the other people who was there.
Speaker 18: Well, we were basically standing.
Speaker 1: There was a.
Speaker 18: Trump campaign people at the tent right there on the corner,
Speaker 18: and we kind of went all together towards where he
Speaker 18: was speaking as place as you could get. And one
Speaker 18: of the kids was really tall. So my wife's like, hey,
Speaker 18: can you take this, you know, and get me a
Speaker 18: picture of it real close? And next thing, you know,
Speaker 18: as soon as he pointed the I'm sorry. As soon
Speaker 18: as he pointed the camera, all hell broke loose.
Speaker 19: Walk me through how many shots or pops rather you
Speaker 19: heard and what you were thinking? I mean, were you
Speaker 19: afraid for your safety or here with your family?
Speaker 18: I just wanted everybody to be calm and don't panic,
Speaker 18: you know, because they're not aiming for us, you know
Speaker 18: what I mean.
Speaker 3: Wow, Well, let's hear now from John fund who, of
Speaker 3: course you when I was a regular on the must
Speaker 3: watch every Friday night US Report. John, great to have
Speaker 3: you here. James is here as well. Your reaction to
Speaker 3: this assassination attempt on Donald Trump. The assassin apparently is dead,
Speaker 3: another individual is dead. What's how's America reacting.
Speaker 13: John.
Speaker 17: Well, America was not happy with this presidential election already
Speaker 17: for a variety of reasons. This just descends further into
Speaker 17: chaos for us. It is a bad image for the
Speaker 17: rest of the world. And I certainly agree with what
Speaker 17: James and others have said though about the need to
Speaker 17: lower the political rhetoric. Let me just give you a
Speaker 17: recounting of the incidents of the last few years. We
Speaker 17: had that fellow who shot Republican leader Steve Scalise at
Speaker 17: a baseball practice game. He was a Bernie Sanders supporter.
Speaker 17: We had Floyd Lee Corkins, who was an avid MSNBC
Speaker 17: viewer and left wing activist who tried to kill several
Speaker 17: people of a conservative group called the Family Research Council.
Speaker 17: With James Lee Hodgkinson, who was arrested for plotting the
Speaker 17: assassination of several conservative members of Congress. We had a
Speaker 17: gentleman who was arrested for plotting the assassination of Supreme
Speaker 17: Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who was a Trump appointee. I
Speaker 17: only mentioned this not to say that political violence is
Speaker 17: on one side of the spectrum of the other. As
Speaker 17: has been pointed out, there are right wing koops out there,
Speaker 17: and we should deplore it from whatever direction it comes.
Speaker 17: But in this kind of environment, having the kind of
Speaker 17: overheated rhetoric that has been referenced where people talk about
Speaker 17: putting bull's eyes on people, people saying that someone is
Speaker 17: a dictator, and what do you do with dictators, Well,
Speaker 17: a dictator means you can't vote them out. Therefore you
Speaker 17: have to take other means to get rid of them.
Speaker 17: This is a wake up call for the country to
Speaker 17: have a debate, not about gun control, not about anything else,
Speaker 17: but about are we going to have a civil, principal
Speaker 17: election about the issues or is it going to descend
Speaker 17: further into overheated rhetoric that frankly, the people who use
Speaker 17: it on television don't even believe it.
Speaker 7: But I don't even believe it.
Speaker 17: It's pure demogosory, and I think it's time for all
Speaker 17: of us to take a breath, whether we're on the
Speaker 17: right or the left, and say, let's have a different
Speaker 17: election for the next four months and not an election
Speaker 17: that descends into puerile propaganda.
Speaker 4: Jen So John here, I'm just going to go to
Speaker 4: some live footage here from the from the scene here,
Speaker 4: But I'm hearing unconfirmed reports that there's footage of a
Speaker 4: shooter from a roof of a nearby building. So we're
Speaker 4: waiting to find out more confirmation on whether or not
Speaker 4: that was indeed the shooter.
Speaker 5: Will bring more on that in a moment. But Barack Obama.
Speaker 4: Has tweeted moments ago, and I want to ask you
Speaker 4: about this because he tweeted moments ago that there's absolutely
Speaker 4: no place for political violence in our democracy. Now that's
Speaker 4: Barack Obama, the same guy whose entire rhetoric for his
Speaker 4: entire political career has been saying things like, you know,
Speaker 4: get in their faces and punch back twice as hard.
Speaker 4: This sort of movement to repivot away from the you know,
Speaker 4: rather aggressive, shall we say, rhetoric that so many on
Speaker 4: the left have used for years and years. This strikes me, frankly, John,
Speaker 4: as hypocrisy personified.
Speaker 17: I think again, everyone whether they're in a high position
Speaker 17: in politics, or just someone on the street, but certainly
Speaker 17: everyone who appears on television should take a deep breath
Speaker 17: and lower the temperature and lower the rhetoric. Sadly, I
Speaker 17: think the campaign from here on out is going to
Speaker 17: be different in a significant way.
Speaker 14: If it's true.
Speaker 17: That one of these shots was fired from a rooftop,
Speaker 17: that makes the job of the Secret Service very, very
Speaker 17: difficult for rallies like this. We may see future Trump
Speaker 17: rallies either canceled or maybe there'll be some kind of
Speaker 17: glass apparatus placed over him that's with bulletproof glass, so
Speaker 17: he speaks from as if he's in some kind of
Speaker 17: a chamber. It's going to be a different campaign from
Speaker 17: here on out, that's for sure. And if I were
Speaker 17: Donald Trump, I know he doesn't want to do it,
Speaker 17: but I would limit my appearances for the next little
Speaker 17: bit while the Secret Service has a complete review of
Speaker 17: its procedures and how this happened.
Speaker 3: Caroline, we had rumors on social media.
Speaker 8: I haven't seen it confirmed by a reputable source yet,
Speaker 8: but there certainly is that of a suspect that is
Speaker 8: circulating on social media that is associated with.
Speaker 11: A political group.
Speaker 8: I won't put any names to air yet because we
Speaker 8: don't have it confirmed.
Speaker 3: Politically, making no surprises who the political group is an
Speaker 3: extreme left wing.
Speaker 8: Out Yeah, look, it hasn't been confirmed yet, and so
Speaker 8: I think we should be very careful here, but no
Speaker 8: doubt within the next few minutes, if there's already names
Speaker 8: and there's videos of this particular person that apparently video
Speaker 8: that he made shortly before this, by all accounts, looks
Speaker 8: like an attempted assassination on president, the former president Donald Trump.
Speaker 8: We'll know the details of that very shortly, but I
Speaker 8: you know, just.
Speaker 3: Get we will keep you up to date here and
Speaker 3: all the breaking news that is happening. There have been
Speaker 3: reactions from all sorts of different people around the world.
Speaker 2: Obviously, here we go.
Speaker 3: This is live now, and this is we can see.
Speaker 3: This is at the scene of the rally where there
Speaker 3: was an attempted assassination attempt on Donald Trump only just
Speaker 3: over an hour ago. Donald Trump is safe and well,
Speaker 3: but they are now talking about who the shooter is.
Speaker 3: One shooter is dead, one other tragically, one other attendee
Speaker 3: at the rally, a Donald Trump supporter, was also killed.
Speaker 3: Let's have a listening again to the actual incidence. Quite funny.
Speaker 3: We've got the sound now and you actually hear Donald
Speaker 3: Trump saying, Hey, I've got to grab my shoes, which
Speaker 3: is fantastic. Donald Trump, as he was being assassinated, has
Speaker 3: got to make sure he's properly dressed for on the
Speaker 3: way out. Let's have a listen.
Speaker 4: Look at what happened.
Speaker 20: Yeah, let me get sorry, I got to.
Speaker 5: Get Let me get so we're gonna.
Speaker 21: Let me.
Speaker 11: Also, he was.
Speaker 7: On the bot.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the reports are Donald Trump is now safe.
Speaker 3: He's actually tweeting on his own social media that he
Speaker 3: is fine, and obviously his thoughts and sympathies are with
Speaker 3: the person who died. The shooter has died, but also
Speaker 3: an attendee at the rally was killed by a bullet,
Speaker 3: which is a tragedy in itself. John, what will be
Speaker 3: the ramifications for Joe Biden? I mean, all the emphasis
Speaker 3: have been on Joe Biden about you know, whether he
Speaker 3: can string a sentence together or whatever, But now this
Speaker 3: lifts the entire election into a very different area.
Speaker 2: What does this mean?
Speaker 3: Will this kind of speed up the dimease of Joe
Speaker 3: Biden or will it cement him into position?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 17: I think it's incumbent upon the President of the United
Speaker 17: States in a situation like this, if the shooter has
Speaker 17: the associations that have been mentioned, Obviously you don't want
Speaker 17: to draw a broad brush, but the President of the
Speaker 17: United States should make a clear statement not just that
Speaker 17: political violence is unacceptable, but that the tenor and tone
Speaker 17: and rhetoric of this campaign has to go to a
Speaker 17: new level, a less confrontational level, without words like bull'seye,
Speaker 17: without portraits of Adolf Hitler superimposed upon Donald Trump. And
Speaker 17: the President should make it clear to his supporters and
Speaker 17: to everyone in the country that we have to have
Speaker 17: a different kind of campaign starting right now till November.
Speaker 3: John fun thanks so much for being with us on
Speaker 3: this extraordinary morning. I thank you for taking the time
Speaker 3: to come on Outsiders, and we wish America all the
Speaker 3: best because there's some tough, very tough times and days
Speaker 3: lie ahead. John Fund the political commentator. You can hear
Speaker 3: him with James Morrow every Friday or as Fridays there
Speaker 3: on Sky News Australia. Well, we've had a response from
Speaker 3: Anthony Alberizi who has put out a response here. It
Speaker 3: is on Twitter. Prime Minister of Australia who says there
Speaker 3: is no place for violence in the democratic process. I'm
Speaker 3: relieved to hear reporting that former President Trump is now safe.
Speaker 3: Thank you Prime Minister Rabansi for that, Caroline.
Speaker 8: You know what's particularly disturbing I'm looking online at all
Speaker 8: the coverage of this and seeing what people are saying
Speaker 8: and already trending on X is this idea that this
Speaker 8: entire incident was stayed.
Speaker 11: Putting out about.
Speaker 4: This James surprise, what a surprise of horses people, And
Speaker 4: again we you know, and again let us just be
Speaker 4: really clear. We do not know who did it. We
Speaker 4: don't know who's responsible. When we do have that Confron,
Speaker 4: we will bring that to you. But the way that
Speaker 4: immediately and this started, I saw this, Caroline, as soon
Speaker 4: as I started tweeting about this incident before we went
Speaker 4: on there people coming back in my replies and say, oh,
Speaker 4: this was all set up, This is a false flag,
Speaker 4: this is some sort of thing to make it look,
Speaker 4: you know, make Trump look like a victim. And I mean,
Speaker 4: that's just utterly disgraceful. But it's no more disgraceful really
Speaker 4: than so much of what you know, we're seeing from
Speaker 4: so much of the press on this I'm waiting for
Speaker 4: somebody to say that Trump's calls to fight were an
Speaker 4: incitement to violence.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's where that is.
Speaker 3: How Let's frame the new headlines, Caroline, you're an experienced journalist.
Speaker 3: Hat's frame the headlines? So Donald Trump trips over and
Speaker 3: stumbled an incodent after loud noise and then calls on
Speaker 3: the on people to fight, fight, fight?
Speaker 5: Is that happens?
Speaker 4: In fact, the Babylon b has got a great headline.
Speaker 5: They've mobbed up. I don't know if we can show
Speaker 5: it here.
Speaker 4: We can laugh about this because Trump is all right,
Speaker 4: but you know they put the headline on a clumsy
Speaker 4: Trump hits head on bullet.
Speaker 3: Now let's go to the you know, you've got to
Speaker 3: have a bit of humor, black humor in these times.
Speaker 3: But I'm sure Donald Trump would appreciate it. Let's go
Speaker 3: to the mayor who was there at the Trump rally
Speaker 3: just over an hour ago when an assassin assassination attempt
Speaker 3: was made on former President Donald Trump. Is the mayor?
Speaker 19: Tell me you were up on the stage, you were
Speaker 19: near the former president.
Speaker 14: What happened?
Speaker 1: I was actually with the president about fifteen twenty minutes
Speaker 1: before that. That awful thing occurred, and my wife and
Speaker 1: I and my family were seated front row, just left
Speaker 1: of stage and obviously.
Speaker 7: A complete one to eighty.
Speaker 1: You know, we all came in here with with smiles
Speaker 1: and hope for the future, and what's happened today, I'm speechless.
Speaker 1: Over All I can think of right now is that
Speaker 1: this is representative of the vitriol and the hate that
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the United States seem to
Speaker 1: have for people with conservative ideals and principles behind them.
Speaker 1: And I'm just sorry that it's come to that, and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it's coming here in Butler County.
Speaker 19: Where were you standing when the former president ended up
Speaker 19: hitting the ground there right behind.
Speaker 14: That podies Donald's there.
Speaker 1: I was standing right on the on the barrier to
Speaker 1: the left of the stage, front row, And you know,
Speaker 1: at first I heard that that first crack, I started
Speaker 1: to look around. I thought couldn't possibly have been around,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought for sure it might have been
Speaker 1: a firecracker. But I looked at my wife, who's a
Speaker 1: state police officer. I pushed her down to the ground.
Speaker 1: On the second one sounded to me like it might
Speaker 1: have been a twenty two round something similar to it.
Speaker 1: I asked her if she thought it sounded like a
Speaker 1: twenty two.
Speaker 5: She said yes.
Speaker 1: We just yelled for everybody to take get down on
Speaker 1: the ground and to stay down to allow the Secret
Speaker 1: Service and law enforcement to do what it is they
Speaker 1: had to do.
Speaker 14: We weren't really quite sure what was happening.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, just a few feet behind me there was
Speaker 1: an unfortunate individual who lost his life to this maniac.
Speaker 19: Did you see the person who was shot?
Speaker 1: I did, I did.
Speaker 14: I did see some of that.
Speaker 1: Of course I didn't actually see the I didn't see
Speaker 1: the shot itself, but I did.
Speaker 19: So you turn around, so you push your wife down,
Speaker 19: You look around for your family, you take cover your stop.
Speaker 19: You see the president get back up, give that fist pot.
Speaker 19: You turn around and you see somebody in the crowd
Speaker 19: had been shot.
Speaker 1: They were shot, they were on the bleachers, and it
Speaker 1: was just a really sad thing to witness, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: understand that individual lost their life.
Speaker 3: Well, if you've just joined us, we'll just recaps. So
Speaker 3: just over an hour ago, an hour and a half ago,
Speaker 3: there was an assassination attempt on former president and presidential
Speaker 3: candidate Donald Trump at a Donald Trump rally in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: It was Saturday afternoon American time. It appears that a
Speaker 3: bullet skimmed Donald Trump, hid him just behind the ear
Speaker 3: or grazed his ear. There was blood across his ear.
Speaker 3: He ducked down, the Secret Service piled on top of him.
Speaker 3: We'll have a look at it in a second exactly
Speaker 3: what happened. What we now know is that the shooter
Speaker 3: was then killed and an individual sadly tragically a fan there.
Speaker 14: At the.
Speaker 3: Watching the Trump. Trump's supporter is reported to have been killed,
Speaker 3: along with the reports that the shooter was killed, so
Speaker 3: we can't verify that, but those are the current reports.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump himself went to hospital nearby and has since
Speaker 3: reported on social media that he is fine. As he
Speaker 3: was escorted from the stage by the Secret Service, he
Speaker 3: continually pumped his fist in the air and yelled out defiantly,
Speaker 3: fight Fight. The crowd were shocked and ducked for cover.
Speaker 3: This is all that's happened, and since then we've had
Speaker 3: reports small around the world, different people obviously offering their
Speaker 3: sympathy and offering their theories on.
Speaker 2: Where to from here.
Speaker 3: We'll keep you for the next For the rest of
Speaker 3: the day, but certainly here on Outsiders for the next hour,
Speaker 3: we'll be talking to more people about exactly what has happened.
Speaker 3: Let's just have a quick look now at the very
Speaker 3: moment of the assassination tempt on Donald Trump just over
Speaker 3: an hour ago.
Speaker 4: Look at what happened.
Speaker 5: Let me.
Speaker 20: Get got you, sir, I got to.
Speaker 7: Get let me get my.
Speaker 22: Shoes, so we gotta let me go.
Speaker 23: Let's tell me, well, you're watching that extraordinary moment that
Speaker 23: happened just about an hour and a half ago in
Speaker 23: the US, an assassination attempt on the former president Donald Trump.
Speaker 16: And we finally heard from the current.
Speaker 8: President, Joe Biden about ninety minutes after this happened. He
Speaker 8: posted on excess statement, I have been briefed on the
Speaker 8: shooting at Donald Trump's rally in Pennsylvania. I'm grateful to
Speaker 8: hear that he's safe and doing well. I'm praying for
Speaker 8: him and his family and for all those who were
Speaker 8: at the rally as we await further information. Jill and
Speaker 8: I are grateful to the Secret Service for getting him
Speaker 8: to safety. There's no place for this kind of violence
Speaker 8: in America. We must unite as one nation to condemn it.
Speaker 8: Rowan I mean, it took a long time for this
Speaker 8: statement to come out. We had already heard from the
Speaker 8: former president Barack Obama, we heard from the former Prime
Speaker 8: Minister Scott Morrison, Nigel Farash, many other leaders political leaders
Speaker 8: around the world had reacted to this historical James.
Speaker 2: I imagine the Biden.
Speaker 3: Team are going through his tweets, going, let's get rid
Speaker 3: of all those cross hairs in the bullseye tweets.
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, and.
Speaker 4: Again, I'm sorry, and you know, you want to expect
Speaker 4: the best from the president, no matter what party they are,
Speaker 4: what their politics are, even if you wildly disagree with them.
Speaker 4: But I noticed a little hit of equivocation there at
Speaker 4: the end this kind of political violence. You know, it's
Speaker 4: not a uniform condemnation of all political violence, which I
Speaker 4: think we all condemn all political violence in a democracy.
Speaker 4: And this, you know, equivocation has to be seen as
Speaker 4: coming forty eight hours after Joe Biden or remember his
Speaker 4: tweet his team because he's not there with that fame
Speaker 4: like Donald Trump hitting the socials but saying America wants
Speaker 4: a president, America doesn't want a dictator. So the implication
Speaker 4: again calling Donald Trump beyond the pale, you know, a dictator.
Speaker 4: And again this has been the nature of the rhetoric,
Speaker 4: not just about Trump. You know, we were talking earlier
Speaker 4: about Steve Scalise and many congressmen who were shot before
Speaker 4: a congressional baseball game at their practice a number of
Speaker 4: years ago. You know, this was by a Bernie bro
Speaker 4: that was confirmed to be by somebody who was a
Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders supporter, and they wanted to take out a
Speaker 4: large number of people in the Republican caucus. And thankfully
Speaker 4: this person was a very very poor shot. But you know,
Speaker 4: this is the sort of thing we have seen political
Speaker 4: violence from the left four years, if not decades. And
Speaker 4: we also see by the way, you know, it's not
Speaker 4: just in the United States, other countries. Bolsonaro in Brazil
Speaker 4: there was a tempt on his life and he is
Speaker 4: always called far right. And again it's this whole pushing
Speaker 4: of people who are on the right of politics beyond
Speaker 4: the pale and for somebody who has you know, as
Speaker 4: you said before, rowand potentially you know, a state that's
Speaker 4: not sharing our common reality that can be enough to
Speaker 4: trigger trigger bad things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I like the fact you mentioned there that
Speaker 3: phrase far right James, because it is disgraceful in the
Speaker 3: way that, of course there are far right individuals, but
Speaker 3: the way that phrase is labeled and thrown at basically anybody.
Speaker 13: Who is.
Speaker 3: Anything other than hard left, you can be sent to
Speaker 3: right and you're far right these days, and that pushes
Speaker 3: all conservatives into this extremist bucket. And it is a
Speaker 3: disgrace and it is feeding into events I imagine, such
Speaker 3: as we saw earlier today. Let's go to analyse Nilssen.
Speaker 3: Now there, Sky News, Australia's correspondent in America. Analyse. Thanks
Speaker 3: for coming on. It's just nearly two hours now, an
Speaker 3: hour and a half plus since this is attempted assassination.
Speaker 5: Of Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: What can you tell us that has happened in the
Speaker 3: last nineteen minutes, Analise.
Speaker 9: Well, in the last ninety minutes, we've seen statements come
Speaker 9: out from across the board of people condemning what's happened
Speaker 9: in Pennsylvania and across the political spectrum. This is going
Speaker 9: to completely reframe the race. But what we've been waiting
Speaker 9: for is a statement from Joe Biden. We've seen he's
Speaker 9: put out that statement you read a short time ago.
Speaker 9: But I can tell you that there's now been a
Speaker 9: notice sent to the White House Press pool saying that
Speaker 9: he will deliver remarks to the traveling press pool from
Speaker 9: Rehoboth Beach in Delaware in They've just said shortly, so
Speaker 9: that could be at any moment. The pressure is on
Speaker 9: for him to address this in person. This is an
Speaker 9: assassination attempt on his political rival in this campaign, and
Speaker 9: it needs to be condemned right now. And that's the
Speaker 9: sense coming from people across the political spectrum that they
Speaker 9: want to see their presidents step in at this moment.
Speaker 10: We've seen this reporting.
Speaker 9: BBC's interviewed and eye witness to the shooting saying that
Speaker 9: it was someone who crawled up on a rooftop near
Speaker 9: the venue.
Speaker 10: This is going to completely up end.
Speaker 9: How the Secret Service does these kind of things, because
Speaker 9: there's no reasonable circumstance where a rooftop that was vulnerable
Speaker 9: to that kind of use from someone who has ill
Speaker 9: intent towards the president should be allowed to have anyone
Speaker 9: anyone near it.
Speaker 10: I've been to plenty of these events.
Speaker 9: Generally, when you're standing in the ground, any rooftop within eyesight,
Speaker 9: you can see a sniper set up on those roofs
Speaker 9: because they take this quite seriously, and today is the
Speaker 9: exact reason why there are people out there that wish
Speaker 9: Donald Trump ill.
Speaker 10: There are people out there that wish him dead.
Speaker 9: And this would have been a catastrophe for this election
Speaker 9: campaign for America if this would have been any worse
Speaker 9: than what was the mark on his ear. But this
Speaker 9: is going to completely reframe the race. This is now
Speaker 9: going to vindicate many of Donald Trump's supporters who say
Speaker 9: that everyone is out to get him, that he doesn't
Speaker 9: deserve the legal cases against him, and it's just people
Speaker 9: who wish him ill because they have their own ill
Speaker 9: intent that they want to reac on their lives. Now,
Speaker 9: Donald Trump's going to be walking around with a piece
Speaker 9: of his ear missing for the rest of this election
Speaker 9: campaign saying I have the evidence that is exactly what
Speaker 9: is happening.
Speaker 10: So this is a critical moment for Joe Biden as.
Speaker 9: His campaign comes to a crashing end in many aspects
Speaker 9: because of the issue since the debate, the loss of
Speaker 9: support within his own party and his own allies coming
Speaker 9: out and criticizing his ability to continue to now have
Speaker 9: this happen. At this point, this is a moment for
Speaker 9: Joe Biden not to just reframe his campaign, but to
Speaker 9: speak up as the president of the United States of
Speaker 9: America for people who are going to be really scared
Speaker 9: about what's going.
Speaker 10: To happen in the next few months after what's happened today.
Speaker 3: And Alicia gave me a mental image of Donald Trump's
Speaker 3: van god Off with the kind of bandage over his
Speaker 3: ear wandering around. I think that that's something we can
Speaker 3: look forward to. But listen, Analys, you're an expert on
Speaker 3: the US media in all it's the best and the
Speaker 3: worst of it is. We've already Caroline has already given
Speaker 3: us a few examples of how the left wing media
Speaker 3: downplaying this incident and trying to trivialize it. Will this
Speaker 3: drive the you know, should Biden stay or go? Thing
Speaker 3: off the front pages? Is that what's going to happen
Speaker 3: in the media. What do you foresee happening in the
Speaker 3: American media? How is it this going to play out
Speaker 3: over the next few days.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Look, I've seen some of the initial criticism of how
Speaker 9: certain outlets have covered this as it unfolded, and I
Speaker 9: think some of that criticism is unfair. This happens minute
Speaker 9: by minute, and the risks of reporting the wrong thing
Speaker 9: can be just so severe.
Speaker 10: You have to be cautious and what you say.
Speaker 9: It took a few minutes for all of us who
Speaker 9: weren't at the venue to realize just how serious this was.
Speaker 10: That first blush.
Speaker 9: When you watch the video, you hear the pops and
Speaker 9: you watch them bop down. And I didn't realize how
Speaker 9: serious it was with the blood on his face until
Speaker 9: we started seeing those photos come through ap even.
Speaker 10: Just a few minutes later.
Speaker 9: And so it's easy to screenshot a headline and say, oh,
Speaker 9: they've mischaracterized this, they've misconstrued it. But the reality is
Speaker 9: these are minute by minute things and no one was
Speaker 9: anticipating this, and it's as serious as it gets. Imagine
Speaker 9: if you went too soon and you accidentally said Donald
Speaker 9: Trump's been shot and it was something completely different. You
Speaker 9: can hear the Trump supporters on the canal behind me
Speaker 9: in Milwaukee. Are you're voting Republican? So you got some
Speaker 9: Trump fans here. I don't know if they know what's
Speaker 9: happened to Donald Trump just yet. The voat's moving too
Speaker 9: fast for me to ask. But so I will defend
Speaker 9: that aspect of the media. I think what's interesting to
Speaker 9: see here, though, is the criticism that's not coming Joe
Speaker 9: by in this way.
Speaker 10: He's taken longer to respond to these then.
Speaker 9: The Australian Prime Minister, our ambassador to former presidents, and
Speaker 9: he is in the White House. We were told through
Speaker 9: the White House press pool that he was being briefed.
Speaker 9: But it doesn't take long to know that your political
Speaker 9: opponent in a very tight race has been.
Speaker 3: It's taken much an It's Saturday afternoon, Joe Biden would
Speaker 3: have been having his nap. They had to wake him
Speaker 3: up first. Let's not forget that.
Speaker 9: James eight pm there, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Analise, I want to just go back to also just
Speaker 4: the incredible way in which the Republican candidate Donald Trump
Speaker 4: and Republicans in general, conservatives in general, have been demonized
Speaker 4: by high profile Democrats. Earlier I was talking about Chuck
Speaker 4: Schumer laughing off claims from the Trump camp that there
Speaker 4: was in fact a risk of this exact sort of
Speaker 4: thing that appears to have happened occurring. Of Nancy Pelosi
Speaker 4: just last week called Trump an authoritarian autocrat, saying we
Speaker 4: have to win this election.
Speaker 5: This is not a normal election.
Speaker 4: I mean Obviously we don't know yet, and we will
Speaker 4: find out more about the alleged shooter down the track.
Speaker 4: But it does seem that this entire idea that Trump
Speaker 4: is so far beyond the pale, has created this climate
Speaker 4: where people who who hate Trump could see, you know,
Speaker 4: any sort of means necessary to remove him.
Speaker 10: And we do say this. I say this all the time.
Speaker 10: As I.
Speaker 8: Think we've got Joe Bonnes.
Speaker 24: They apparently he's doing well. I plan on talking them sutly.
Speaker 24: I hope when I get back to the telephone. Look,
Speaker 24: there's no place in America for this kind of violence.
Speaker 24: It's sick. It's sick. It's one of the reason why
Speaker 24: we have to unite this country. We cannot allow for
Speaker 24: this to be happening. We cannot be like this. We
Speaker 24: cannot condone this. And so I want to thank the
Speaker 24: Secret Service and all the agency, including the state agencies,
Speaker 24: that have engaged in making sure that the people who
Speaker 24: and we have more detail to come relative to other injured,
Speaker 24: other people may be injured in the audience. I don't
Speaker 24: have all that detail, will make that available to you.
Speaker 24: I may be able to come back a little later tonight,
Speaker 24: but we'll put out a statement, if we don't, if
Speaker 24: I'm not able to get it, if it's not a
Speaker 24: comedian for you all. But the bottom line is that
Speaker 24: the Trump rally is a rally that he should have
Speaker 24: been able to be conducted peacefully without any problem.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 24: The idea that there's political violence or violence in America
Speaker 24: like this is just unheard of. It's just not appropriate,
Speaker 24: and everybody, everybody must condemn it.
Speaker 1: Everybody.
Speaker 24: I'll keep you informed, and if I am able to
Speaker 24: speak to the to Donald, I'll let you know that
Speaker 24: as well. But so far, it appears he's doing well
Speaker 24: number one, number two two, that they're thoroughly investigating what
Speaker 24: happened to anyone else in the audience. I have, we
Speaker 24: have some reports, but not final reports, and every agency
Speaker 24: in the federal government, and I'm going back to my
Speaker 24: phone to speak with the federal agencies that are being
Speaker 24: put together again to give me an updated prefiend as
Speaker 24: anything happened. They learning more in the last couple hours.
Speaker 24: So thank you very much, and I hope I get
Speaker 24: to speak to them tonight and I'll get back to
Speaker 24: you if I do. Okay, I don't know enough to
Speaker 24: I have an opinion, but I don't have any facts,
Speaker 24: so I want to make sure we have all the
Speaker 24: facts before I make some comment.
Speaker 7: Any more comments.
Speaker 22: Thank you?
Speaker 10: Was the security failing as president?
Speaker 3: Let's go to Adam Crichton, the excellent correspondent from the
Speaker 3: Australian who's over there in the States. Adam, great to
Speaker 3: chat to you as always, what do you make of
Speaker 3: the last two hours.
Speaker 22: Well, obviously it's just extraordinary, and we just heard the
Speaker 22: president's remarks there, so it's I suppose worth commenting on those.
Speaker 22: I mean, firstly, I think he took too long to
Speaker 22: make a statement. I mean it was almost ninety minutes.
Speaker 22: I think the Australian Prime Minister respondents sooner than the president.
Speaker 22: So I don't think that's a particularly good look. And
Speaker 22: I think generally the reason why Joe Biden then just
Speaker 22: didn't seem very enthusiastic at all about his comments is
Speaker 22: this is just terrible for the Democrat Party narrative that
Speaker 22: all the violence and all the extremism is supposedly on
Speaker 22: the right, which is obviously nonsense. And now you have
Speaker 22: a case where someone's tried to assassinate Donald Trump. Now,
Speaker 22: admittedly we don't know any of the facts about this person,
Speaker 22: yet except that they're dead. But it's quite possible that
Speaker 22: they're going to be an extremist on the left. So look,
Speaker 22: I don't think it's helpful for either side to be
Speaker 22: screaming at the other side about extremism. But I just
Speaker 22: think we need to get everything in perspective. And I
Speaker 22: think the other point it's important to make too, is
Speaker 22: the US is a country of three hundred and thirty
Speaker 22: million people. That's a lot of people, and so you
Speaker 22: were always going to get prasies on both sides, and
Speaker 22: so I don't think you want to take from this that,
Speaker 22: you know, all Americans are crazy. I just think that's
Speaker 22: the wrong interpretation. I mean, of course it's a polarized country,
Speaker 22: but we don't want to, you know, we don't want
Speaker 22: to say Americans, you know, are crazy and that they
Speaker 22: try to shoot their political leaders. I just don't think
Speaker 22: that is fair at all. Of Course, some people will
Speaker 22: try to say that, but you've got to remember it's
Speaker 22: an enormous country, and even a tiny, tiny percentage of
Speaker 22: an enormous number is still a large number.
Speaker 4: Adam, I wanted to go back to the statement that
Speaker 4: the President just delivered. By the way, thank you as
Speaker 4: an American for defending our honor that we are not
Speaker 4: all crazy. I do appreciate that. But in that statement,
Speaker 4: there was a couple of things that struck me. Number One,
Speaker 4: he said again this kind of violence, which seems to
Speaker 4: me to allow for some of the other violence we've
Speaker 4: seen from the left, you know, the Summer of Love
Speaker 4: riots of twenty twenty, that sort of thing. But number two,
Speaker 4: just even his affect the way he presented, the way
Speaker 4: that he seemed to stumble through parts of that and say, well,
Speaker 4: and if it's too late, you know, we'll put our
Speaker 4: statement as if you know, it seems to confirm to
Speaker 4: me this idea that you know, bedtime is coming up
Speaker 4: here for the president and he'll leave it to his
Speaker 4: team to put out any further statements if we have
Speaker 4: an identity of the shooter, or if there's any sort
Speaker 4: of further stuff. This seems to be just as damning
Speaker 4: for the Biden campaign and such an underlining of Trump's
Speaker 4: narrative as what we've just seen in the last couple
Speaker 4: of hours.
Speaker 22: Yeah, look, I think that's true. I think he clearly
Speaker 22: hated making those remarks, that that was very evident from
Speaker 22: his body language, and I think there's no surprise. I mean,
Speaker 22: he may be losing his mind, but he's still a
Speaker 22: very experienced politician, and he would certainly realize that they've
Speaker 22: probably lost the election because of this. I mean, there's
Speaker 22: going to be a huge, a huge ground swell of
Speaker 22: sympathy I would think for Donald Trump. I mean from
Speaker 22: both sides of politics. I would say from independent voters,
Speaker 22: that's going to be a perfectly natural response, especially given
Speaker 22: the you know, the extraordinary defiance that Donald Trump showed
Speaker 22: on the spot. I mean I must say, you know,
Speaker 22: I don't think I would have pondered like that. I mean,
Speaker 22: he basically got up, he shook his fist, he was bloody,
Speaker 22: and he asked for his shooes. I mean, it's quite
Speaker 22: extraordinary stuff. You know, the imagery is amazing for the
Speaker 22: Republicans and for Donald Trump. So look, I think if
Speaker 22: there's a point where where Democrats lost the election, you know,
Speaker 22: it may not be the debate that we've talked so
Speaker 22: much about. I think it may be this.
Speaker 8: Caroline Adam, how do you, Carolin Marcus here, how do
Speaker 8: you see this playing out for the Trump campaign? I
Speaker 8: mean where we've been talking here off the show about
Speaker 8: how the campaign will already be trying to turn those images,
Speaker 8: those almost iconic images of Trump raising his fist in
Speaker 8: the air, into promotional material for him.
Speaker 22: Oh look, I think they certainly will, and I think
Speaker 22: you know that they're going to feature very heavily at
Speaker 22: the convention next week in Milwaukee, which I assume is
Speaker 22: still going to go.
Speaker 7: Ahead as planned.
Speaker 22: I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if Donald Trump himself
Speaker 22: makes some sort of statement later this evening local time.
Speaker 22: I mean, that's his nature. I mean, he may or
Speaker 22: may not, but that wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 22: Look, I think you know this is just a disaster
Speaker 22: for you know, for Democrats. I mean it really is.
Speaker 22: I mean, just like I said earlier, it just goes
Speaker 22: against their narrative of political violence on the right. I mean,
Speaker 22: he's a real tangible example of the opposite of that.
Speaker 22: And you know, it shows Trump is so kind of
Speaker 22: a vigorous still despite he's been seventy eight years old.
Speaker 22: You know, the contrast with Biden now is even more
Speaker 22: extreme than it was before.
Speaker 3: Adam Crichton from The Australian and Sky there in America,
Speaker 3: thanks so much for coming on and talking to us
Speaker 3: on outsiders. Adam, it's always great to see you. What
Speaker 3: a what an extraordinary day. Let's go down to Chris Kenny,
Speaker 3: our Sky News host here in the studio. Chris, great
Speaker 3: to see you, as always, What an extraordinary morning. Those
Speaker 3: of us who are keen Trump supporters have feared an
Speaker 3: event like this really for many many years. As it
Speaker 3: got closer and closer to the election. I got to
Speaker 3: say that I, for one, had been getting more and
Speaker 3: more nervous that such an event like this would take place. Chris,
Speaker 3: what's your thoughts this morning?
Speaker 25: This is the sort of event we've been dreading, and
Speaker 25: not only if you're a Trump supporter, just anybody who
Speaker 25: follows the American politics has seen how toxic and divisive
Speaker 25: it has become. And we've all dreaded the resurrection of
Speaker 25: your like of political violence in the US. It's been
Speaker 25: a thread in their history for centuries, of course, and
Speaker 25: we all really dreaded. This is shocking to see it
Speaker 25: unfold this morning. You know, I think Trump is a
Speaker 25: divisive figure. I'm not as enamored with him as you are,
Speaker 25: although I think the world was a stronger safer place
Speaker 25: when Trump was president than Joe Biden.
Speaker 14: But as you've been discussing this morning.
Speaker 25: The Democrats and all the way to the White House,
Speaker 25: President Joe Biden himself, they've been demonizing Trump.
Speaker 5: Day after day after day.
Speaker 25: And this has consequences. And I just saw the statement.
Speaker 25: They're the live statement that you went to in the
Speaker 25: US with Joe Biden offering his comments, and I think
Speaker 25: what's critical here is what Joe Biden did not say.
Speaker 25: I thought, I thought that was a disgusting statement from
Speaker 25: the president at such a time of chaos and concern
Speaker 25: for American democracy. He said nothing to call off the dogs,
Speaker 25: if you like, off Donald Trump. Nothing to say that
Speaker 25: we've got to stop being this divisive and not demonize
Speaker 25: this man.
Speaker 5: He gave a very very short shrift.
Speaker 25: In my view, he should have been absolutely telling people
Speaker 25: that this is a fair political contest between two political
Speaker 25: parties who are legitimate and are legitimate contenders. He should
Speaker 25: have denounced the way that Donald Trump has been demonized
Speaker 25: by so much of the media and so much of
Speaker 25: the political debate. But he can't do that because he's
Speaker 25: been the leading denouncer if you like. So Look, this
Speaker 25: is really really problematic, of course, for the American political system,
Speaker 25: for the Democrats, and you only had to look at
Speaker 25: the way that Donald Trump responded, and we're seeing some
Speaker 25: of those pictures now. Of course, Donald Trump wanted to
Speaker 25: appear defiant and strong, and good on him for doing that.
Speaker 25: But let's remember too, he wanted to signal to his
Speaker 25: support us there and to support us around the country
Speaker 25: that he was okay that he was going to walk
Speaker 25: off the stage. But let's have mentioned those Secret Service
Speaker 25: agents there, men and women. What they're doing there, and
Speaker 25: most viewers I think would understand this. They are putting
Speaker 25: themselves between the target and the shooter. They are making
Speaker 25: sure that if there are subsequent volleys of gunfire that
Speaker 25: they will be hit rather than Donald Trump. Now, these
Speaker 25: Secret Service agents, they'll be registered Democrats, registered Republicans. We
Speaker 25: don't know their politics, but their job is to protect
Speaker 25: the candidate, in this case, the former president, Donald Trump.
Speaker 25: And it's just I think incredible to see them putting
Speaker 25: themselves in harm way, harm's way to make sure that
Speaker 25: if there is another shot, it will hit them rather
Speaker 25: than Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: Brilliant christ Absolutely, Chris.
Speaker 3: Have a look here, we're seeing shots outside the hospital
Speaker 3: where Donald Trump is being treated. It's Butler Memorial hospital
Speaker 3: there in Pennsylvania. So they've got shots that are happening people,
Speaker 3: So he's inside.
Speaker 5: There, Chris James, Yeah, Chris, I wanted to.
Speaker 4: And also there's there's some talk that Trump may have
Speaker 4: been hit by the glass from the shattering teleprompter. There's
Speaker 4: some discussion that they that may have also been what
Speaker 4: entered his ears. We'll find out more about that soon.
Speaker 4: But Chris, I want to ask you about, you know, philosophically,
Speaker 4: there's a bigger issue here, and you know, we talk
Speaker 4: about the contest of ideas, the contest of ideas, and really,
Speaker 4: to me, that Biden statement seemed to be saying, you know,
Speaker 4: we can take the contest of ideas out of the
Speaker 4: realm of you know, speaking and talking and debating and discussing.
Speaker 4: It seemed almost to make you know, an excuse what
Speaker 4: he said, that that this of violence and talk about
Speaker 4: what is happening to politics around the world here when
Speaker 4: we have this situation where you know, people are starting
Speaker 4: to even begin to equivocate on.
Speaker 5: This, well, exactly, James, it was just terrible.
Speaker 25: The other factor of this statement from the president was
Speaker 25: that he didn't know anything. You're telling me that the
Speaker 25: president of the us couldn't get a call from someone
Speaker 25: at the scene to at least let him know whether
Speaker 25: the fatalities have been the shooter and an innocent victim
Speaker 25: or not.
Speaker 5: So he gave people no information.
Speaker 25: But you're right, his condemnation of violence was nuanced. It
Speaker 25: was weak, and it was it was not as strong
Speaker 25: as it should have been.
Speaker 14: And he said nothing to actually defend.
Speaker 25: The right of the other candidate of Donald Trump to
Speaker 25: hold this or he said, oh, I should be able
Speaker 25: to hold a rally like that. Well, no, it should
Speaker 25: be more than that. This is who's a legitimate candidate.
Speaker 25: He should be able to be contest this debate. He
Speaker 25: should be able to go about his business without being
Speaker 25: demonized daily by the media and by Democrats. And we
Speaker 25: need to respect this as a contest of ideas, not
Speaker 25: as a Remember, this is a president who says every
Speaker 25: day that the very future of democracies on the line.
Speaker 5: So he's telling people.
Speaker 25: Unless they defeat Trump or get rid of Trump, the
Speaker 25: whole of American democracy fails. That is an absolutely divisive
Speaker 25: and inflammatory line and proposition to put. And he should
Speaker 25: step back from that, and he should be telling the
Speaker 25: nation that that is not what's on the line Chris.
Speaker 3: Canny, absolutely, thanks so much for chatting to us here
Speaker 3: on Outsiders. And let's just remind ourselves of the assassination
Speaker 3: attempt two hours ago on Donald Trump. Let's have a
Speaker 3: look at the actual footage that took place.
Speaker 4: Look at what happened.
Speaker 15: Let me go.
Speaker 20: Or let me get got you, sir, I got to get.
Speaker 5: Let me get my shoes, so we gotta.
Speaker 21: Let me get Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: So that was the actual footage of the assassination attempt.
Speaker 3: Earlier this morning on Donald Trump Saturday afternoon in the States,
Speaker 3: the BBC had put an interview with one of the
Speaker 3: eyewitnesses who was there at the rally. So let's have
Speaker 3: a listened to this thanks to the BBC.
Speaker 2: So, we had a party here all day.
Speaker 26: Dude, you can see behind us at the Brinko's Farming
Speaker 26: greenhouse here. We had a party and we all decided, hey,
Speaker 26: you know, when we hear Trump up there, we're going
Speaker 26: to walk up through the field, stand by the trees
Speaker 26: out there under the shade and watch us right and.
Speaker 5: Listen to the rally.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 26: We couldn't see them, but we could hear them. So
Speaker 26: we walked up in probably five to seven minutes of
Speaker 26: Trump speaking of messaming here.
Speaker 7: I have no idea, you know, but.
Speaker 26: We noticed the guy crawling arm you know, bear crawling
Speaker 26: up the roof of the building beside us, fifty fifty
Speaker 26: feet away from us. So we're standing in there, you know,
Speaker 26: we're pointing. We're pointing at the guy crawling up the roof.
Speaker 5: And he had it counting right.
Speaker 10: He had a rifle.
Speaker 26: You get clearly see him with a rifle. Absolutely, we're
Speaker 26: pointing at him.
Speaker 7: The police are down.
Speaker 26: There running around on the ground. We're like, hey, man,
Speaker 26: this guy on the roof with the rifle. And the
Speaker 26: police were like, huh what, you know, like like they
Speaker 26: didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 15: You know.
Speaker 26: We're like, hey, right here on the roof, we can
Speaker 26: see him from right here.
Speaker 5: We see him. He's crambling.
Speaker 26: And next thing, you know, I'm like, I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 26: I'm like, why is Trump still speaking?
Speaker 5: Why have they not pulled him off the stage. I'm
Speaker 5: standing there.
Speaker 26: Pointing at him for you know, two or three minutes.
Speaker 26: Secret Services looking at us from the.
Speaker 5: Top of the barn.
Speaker 26: I'm pointing at that roof, just standing there like this,
Speaker 26: and next thing, you know, five shots right out, so
Speaker 26: you'll you're almost sudden where the shots coming from, not
Speaker 26: coming there one hundred percent.
Speaker 13: And he was up there for a couple of minutes.
Speaker 5: He was up there there for a couple of them, and.
Speaker 26: Absolutely at least three to four minutes.
Speaker 13: And you were telling the least in the secrets that we.
Speaker 26: Were telling the police. We were pointing at him. For
Speaker 26: the secret Service that were looking at us from the
Speaker 26: top of the barn. They were looking at us the
Speaker 26: whole time.
Speaker 5: When were you stand about that tree?
Speaker 26: Thanks pedoculars they see Probably not because the roofs, the
Speaker 26: way that the slow went, he was behind where they
Speaker 26: could see. But why is there not secret service on
Speaker 26: all of these roofs here? I mean, this is not
Speaker 26: a big place. Incredibly, if the guy was on the
Speaker 26: roof right there, you can see the right roof right there,
Speaker 26: you could to look at him, could you, I know?
Speaker 26: Other than he was in muted collers, tanned tight clothing.
Speaker 26: We saw the rifle flinging around as he was trying
Speaker 26: to crawl.
Speaker 5: I mean we saw the rifle one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you know about how did you know
Speaker 2: what kind of weapon?
Speaker 7: It was?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 26: Absolutely know about guns?
Speaker 14: For sure, you know.
Speaker 26: I mean there is a rifle of some sort. I
Speaker 26: wouldn't know, you know, I wasn't close enough to read
Speaker 26: the label on it. But there was a rifle of
Speaker 26: some sort.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 26: Absolutely, So what do you how do you process what
Speaker 26: you've just seen?
Speaker 5: I don't know what to say, man. I I'll tell
Speaker 5: you is you know if I.
Speaker 26: If I walked up closer there with anything that can
Speaker 26: Secret Service considered a problem, I wouldn't be staying here
Speaker 26: talking to you right now. But I don't know why
Speaker 26: a guy who we're seeing in there point now to
Speaker 26: police and Secret Service is crawling up the roof. Yes,
Speaker 26: right there by that tree. We were outside of the
Speaker 26: security derman. But my question is there's only a few
Speaker 26: buildings around here. Why is Secret Service not in every
Speaker 26: building here?
Speaker 13: There's a whole bunch of questions. I think, are they
Speaker 13: going to come?
Speaker 5: There's a whole bunch of questions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was an extraordinary interview courtesy of the BBC.
Speaker 3: From then, let's just recap what he was saying. This
Speaker 3: will this will be fueling the conspiracy theorists on social media.
Speaker 3: I can tell you that. So that was an eyewitness
Speaker 3: according to the interviewed by the BBC, who was saying
Speaker 3: clearly that he saw the shooter crawling up the building
Speaker 3: with a rifle before the assassination attempt, alerted the Secret Service,
Speaker 3: alerted the police, and was astonished when Donald Trump was
Speaker 3: still talking and still carrying on. So lots and lots
Speaker 3: to dissect there what you can. We're now going to
Speaker 3: aerial footage. This is of the event itself, and we're
Speaker 3: looking down at the rally there in Pennsylvania where it
Speaker 3: took place.
Speaker 5: Caroline.
Speaker 2: A lot to unpack from what that guy.
Speaker 16: Happened, Oh, certainly, And this is just these pictures are
Speaker 16: just from.
Speaker 8: The rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, because he was speaking at
Speaker 8: a farm show and this was his last rally before
Speaker 8: he was to be officially endorsed as a Republican presidential candidate.
Speaker 16: So it was I guess pretty high stakes.
Speaker 8: It was his last big appearance before that official endorsement.
Speaker 11: Weather's happened.
Speaker 8: But back to that BBC interview, and it just raises questions,
Speaker 8: doesn't it. If if what that witness said turned out
Speaker 8: to be accurate, how was Donald Trump not better protected
Speaker 8: as the possible and likely next president of the United States?
Speaker 11: As a presidential candidate.
Speaker 8: Why did they not sweep all the buildings in the
Speaker 8: surrounding areas?
Speaker 4: You know, I mean that gentleman there gave some extraordinary
Speaker 4: testimony and what he said was absolutely correct. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, again, having traveled with presidents, I was part
Speaker 4: of the traveling White House press pack when Bill Clinton
Speaker 4: was president out of Washington, and I can tell you
Speaker 4: the Secret Service are very, very thorough, and you know,
Speaker 4: they know what is going on on every sort of
Speaker 4: vantage point that has an open line of sight at
Speaker 4: where their protectee is going to be speaking, appearing, and walking.
Speaker 4: So you know, we don't know. I mean, Rowan, you
Speaker 4: used the phrase conspiracy theories there before. Obviously a lot
Speaker 4: of people are going to be coming up with a
Speaker 4: lot of crazy ideas. But you know, as this this
Speaker 4: will feed into other concerns, not just about the rhetoric
Speaker 4: around political violence. Of The Federalist website in the United States,
Speaker 4: which is a prominent conservative website, says that sources within
Speaker 4: the Trump campaign have told them that they have been
Speaker 4: concerned about the level of security they've been able to
Speaker 4: achieve from the Secret Service or some time. So we'll
Speaker 4: find out if those reports bear fruit. But you know,
Speaker 4: this here could have been an unbelievable tragedy. Obviously, it's
Speaker 4: a tragedy for the rally attendee who was killed in
Speaker 4: his family. And let's not forget that there is somebody
Speaker 4: apparently a rally attendee who died, and that's a real tragedy.
Speaker 4: But you know, this bullet could have been inches from
Speaker 4: the president's skull and the former president's skull, and that
Speaker 4: is just you know, the consequences of that, too American
Speaker 4: Democrat see in our future are just they're too horrible
Speaker 4: to think about.
Speaker 3: Well, joining us now is another Sky News host, Paul Murray.
Speaker 3: Great to have you here. Paul, of course has interviewed
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Paul, you woke up this morning to the reactions.
Speaker 3: I know you feared it. I've feared it, We've all
Speaker 3: feared it for a long time. An assassination attempt on
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Paul, what's your reaction to this morning?
Speaker 15: Yeah, Gay Rowan, well done on the coverage to you
Speaker 15: and everyone has been putting it together this morning. It
Speaker 15: is exactly what we're all afraid of. And also, in
Speaker 15: terms of high risk, you don't have to be a
Speaker 15: security expert to work out that he's not speaking with
Speaker 15: any sort of protective glass around him. He's there in
Speaker 15: front of forty thousand people today, forty thousand people tomorrow,
Speaker 15: twenty thousand people the.
Speaker 7: Next day, So he's been in this situation that you.
Speaker 15: Would imagine that the security bubble around him is very
Speaker 15: well practiced. We obviously saw that with the people who
Speaker 15: physically made it to the stage. But as you're talking
Speaker 15: about about that outer ring of protection, certainly Maga world
Speaker 15: on the internet is making all sorts of claims about
Speaker 15: official attempts by the Trump campaign or the Secret Service
Speaker 15: running with Trump that they wanted even more detail, more
Speaker 15: of it beefed up, but apparently that had been knocked back.
Speaker 15: We'll all see what happens in the next couple of
Speaker 15: days about that. I also agree with what Annele said,
Speaker 15: and I know that there's sort of a little echo
Speaker 15: effect that happens here where people are going to start
Speaker 15: sending back the headlines of how other media organizations covered it. Yes,
Speaker 15: there are people that have been afraid of this moment,
Speaker 15: who cared for the president, hope for his adventure return
Speaker 15: to the presidency, but there were also those who had
Speaker 15: feared that something like this would happen and make him
Speaker 15: a martyr, and they were the ones who have. Of course,
Speaker 15: in my view, as James has been saying as well
Speaker 15: as yourself in Caroline today, is that the rhetoric in
Speaker 15: and around this presidential election is a disgrace. For all
Speaker 15: of the condemnation of the language of Trump, what about
Speaker 15: the language of Biden and every Democrat who says that
Speaker 15: the democracy is on the line and there'll be no
Speaker 15: country if Trump ends up.
Speaker 7: Winning the election.
Speaker 15: So the motivation of somebody to think that they were
Speaker 15: doing a good and holy thing here is part of
Speaker 15: the mix.
Speaker 7: Obviously, we don't know who the.
Speaker 15: Shooter is and what the reason for doing it is,
Speaker 15: but if you want to look at a whole series
Speaker 15: of behaviors that have led to this moment, it is
Speaker 15: about endless people, over endless years trying to pretend to
Speaker 15: this blow was everything from the Devil to Hitler and
Speaker 15: then something new and worse. And would it be any
Speaker 15: surprise that somebody would try to try to take that
Speaker 15: out and like everyone else, thank goodness that didn't happen.
Speaker 15: But I mean, literally, it's millimeters millimeter's difference between what
Speaker 15: story we're talking about, this morning, but in either direction,
Speaker 15: we'll all be feeling like this for a little while
Speaker 15: to come.
Speaker 3: Paul, We're going to quick the go and have a
Speaker 3: look at another eyewitness interviews. So just have a listen
Speaker 3: to this day with us, Paul Murray, let's have a
Speaker 3: listen to this eyewitness interview.
Speaker 19: You were inside, What exactly did you hear and what
Speaker 19: did you see?
Speaker 27: So we heard something that sounded like a firecracker, and
Speaker 27: we turned around and there was people behind us, and
Speaker 27: it was two of our guys, I think in cam
Speaker 27: we uniform, shooting back. And then we seen a guy
Speaker 27: inside the crowd here, probably fifteen away from.
Speaker 3: Us, get shot.
Speaker 27: They said there was a casually and he was then
Speaker 27: and somebody else got shot. And then apparently our guys
Speaker 27: were shooting on top of the building and everybody started
Speaker 27: cheering once they got to the shooter.
Speaker 3: You can see them up on top of the building there.
Speaker 19: Okay, So when this was all happening, because now when
Speaker 19: you play it back, you can, you know, kind of
Speaker 19: figure it out and make it more succinct. But when
Speaker 19: this was happening, did you know where these possible shots
Speaker 19: were coming from?
Speaker 27: I mean, I can see the guys literally Well, the
Speaker 27: shots that we heard at the time, we thought it
Speaker 27: was somebody. We've seen turned around, We've seen smoke literally
Speaker 27: coming out of the barrel of the guys behind it.
Speaker 27: It was the time we thought they were coming at us,
Speaker 27: but it happened to be our guys shooting back at him.
Speaker 27: So everybody was freaking out, thinking we were gonna get
Speaker 27: shot by the people right behind us, but they were
Speaker 27: actually protecting us, shooting the shooter.
Speaker 19: And where was the shooter course to what you're seeing
Speaker 19: and when you were there here.
Speaker 27: And our shooters up to our left, probably I don't know,
Speaker 27: forty feet away or so, up on top of that
Speaker 27: building or whatever it was.
Speaker 19: But the possible shooter, whoever possibly fired.
Speaker 27: Up, got shot. I don't know if he had whatever.
Speaker 27: Somebody said he had the piss, so I'm not sure
Speaker 27: if that's sure or not. But somebody the crowd got
Speaker 27: shot from our guys or somebody I don't know, and
Speaker 27: he whatever.
Speaker 10: So it's a confusing situation.
Speaker 15: But.
Speaker 3: Extraordinary, Paul. We've had a tweet from JD. Vance, the
Speaker 3: senator who famously.
Speaker 2: Wrote Hillbilly Elergies.
Speaker 3: He's saying that the central premise of the Biden campaign
Speaker 3: is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who
Speaker 3: must be stopped at all costs and JD Vance this
Speaker 3: is is saying that the rhetoric led directly to President
Speaker 3: Trump's attempted assassination. Paul, you famously met Donald Trump. You
Speaker 3: interviewed him brilliantly there in the White House when he
Speaker 3: was president. You saw all the security levels. Does it
Speaker 3: surprise you listening to do those eyewitness accounts, particularly the
Speaker 3: BBC one of the character who said he saw the
Speaker 3: guy up on the building, crawling up the building, it
Speaker 3: sounds like something out of a bad movie, and alerted
Speaker 3: the police and alerted the secret security and nothing appeared
Speaker 3: to happen. This is all, as I say, just rumors
Speaker 3: and from the BBC interview, So he can't say whether
Speaker 3: it's how factual it is, but that he seemed to
Speaker 3: be a credible witness. What did you make of all that?
Speaker 7: Poor, Well, it's amazing, isn't it? Mate? Where you just like.
Speaker 15: Again the static bubble that is the White House for
Speaker 15: obvious reasons, You're able to reinforce it, find new ways
Speaker 15: to reinforce it. But when you're out and about and
Speaker 15: out and as exposed as he was here.
Speaker 7: Again.
Speaker 15: I just keep thinking back to and I'm sure this
Speaker 15: footage will pop up in the next couple of days.
Speaker 7: But there's the footage.
Speaker 15: You remember when Barack Obama won the presidency in two
Speaker 15: thousand and eight, he walked out into that park in
Speaker 15: Chicago and supposedly a million people were there. Well, when
Speaker 15: he spoke, he spoke with a glass box around him.
Speaker 15: When Trump spoke at official events again as the president,
Speaker 15: he adds, sort of this glass box around in Biden
Speaker 15: would do the same.
Speaker 7: But there's no such protection. Now.
Speaker 15: There's a certain level of automatic Secret Service protection because
Speaker 15: you're the president, because you're a former president.
Speaker 7: There's automatic protection because you're a candidate.
Speaker 15: But whether the difference between being the sitting president and
Speaker 15: the aspid president or the former president is that traveling
Speaker 15: bulletproof glass will all wait and see. Marjorie Taylor Green
Speaker 15: has been on television in the US saying that she's
Speaker 15: going to try as of Monday in the US to
Speaker 15: start to have a serious hearing into this conversation about
Speaker 15: we're requests made and we're requests denied. But that image
Speaker 15: that you're seeing right now, Donald Trump Junior, among many
Speaker 15: others that's the image. That's the image that is going
Speaker 15: to be interpreted. It's so maddening. And you know, you
Speaker 15: were on the Trump train before almost anyone else in
Speaker 15: the country, and you know that since twenty and fifteen,
Speaker 15: this guy has become this rawshack test and the people
Speaker 15: who don't like him lose their brain.
Speaker 7: And there were.
Speaker 15: People today who were watching and as I say, they
Speaker 15: had a different instinct to what happened than you and
Speaker 15: I did. Not because they were wishing ill, but just
Speaker 15: they thought this was the natural trajectory. People like Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 15: of course, have said that this was the only way
Speaker 15: things would stop. I know you mentioned that earlier in
Speaker 15: the program as well. But what I mean think about
Speaker 15: this period of time is that the eleventh of July
Speaker 15: was when he was supposed to be sentenced and potentially
Speaker 15: off to jail in New York. That was put off
Speaker 15: because of the Supreme Court decision around presidential immunity. In
Speaker 15: the next couple of days, the Republican Convention, now the
Speaker 15: Republican Convention, supposedly the biggest and most interesting part of
Speaker 15: it was going to be.
Speaker 7: Who was going to be the vice president?
Speaker 15: J D. E. Vance, The Ohio Senator, one of the
Speaker 15: many on the short list. Well, now, of course it's
Speaker 15: all about seeing Trump for the first time. After a
Speaker 15: moment like this, So American politics as we know sort
Speaker 15: of it really goes from sort of obsessing about one
Speaker 15: side to obsessing about another. And I've heard a lot
Speaker 15: of conversation on this morning, and rightly so on the program,
Speaker 15: about well, what does it mean.
Speaker 7: For the politics all the rest of it.
Speaker 15: Well, you know, he were tope, but even people who
Speaker 15: hate Donald Trump rally to the humanity of what had
Speaker 15: happened here.
Speaker 7: I agree with James in.
Speaker 15: Particular about his reaction to the Biden statement, which I
Speaker 15: thought was pretty weak. It didn't have any sense of
Speaker 15: gravitus to it, and it seemed to be something that
Speaker 15: automatically he went back into his muscle memory, which was
Speaker 15: to say all those stupid things that you say about
Speaker 15: Trump as a way of trying to scare people into to.
Speaker 7: Bringing out the vote.
Speaker 15: But of course going into all of this was more
Speaker 15: popular in the polls. You've got to imagine that a
Speaker 15: rallying effect of Americans.
Speaker 7: Comes to his aid.
Speaker 15: But that image, that idea that if you are or
Speaker 15: anybody else, or in fact you know, ninety nine percent
Speaker 15: of everyone watching right now that something like that had happened,
Speaker 15: You're adrenaline would send you into some sort of confusion
Speaker 15: and a slight cower. The idea that he's adrenaline turned
Speaker 15: into fight, fight, fight, and literally he's resisting the moves
Speaker 15: of the Secret Service. It gives you an idea about
Speaker 15: that internal fight. De man has something that's obvious, whether
Speaker 15: you calmly talk to him at the White House, or
Speaker 15: whether we see it in a potential tragedy today, or
Speaker 15: we see it in a court room, or we see
Speaker 15: it anywhere. I just think, you know, the internal spirit
Speaker 15: of this bloke is so obvious, and you know, well,
Speaker 15: there'll be people watching our conversation trying to misinterpret it
Speaker 15: about what does it mean politically. The reality is that
Speaker 15: everything at this time in the cycle becomes political and
Speaker 15: becomes interpreted as politic. It was fascinating to see how, again,
Speaker 15: if these sorts of things had happened to a different
Speaker 15: political figure, some figures in the media would be much
Speaker 15: more dramatic or mournful in their language. But because it's Trump,
Speaker 15: they're going to take a couple of hours to get
Speaker 15: to that.
Speaker 3: Well, Paul I'm only half joking. I'm only half joking.
Speaker 3: But maybe Joe Biden's statement was a bit weak because
Speaker 3: he was still trying to figure out who'd been shot.
Speaker 3: But anyway, as I say, great to chat to you,
Speaker 3: Paul Murray, thanks so much for coming here on Outsiders.
Speaker 5: James, Well, this is just extraordinary.
Speaker 4: Paul has interviewed Donald Trump in the White House, so
Speaker 4: he knows, you know, about the personality. There is now
Speaker 4: talk that Donald Trump was due to attend a UFC
Speaker 4: match in Denver. There is no speculation that some sources
Speaker 4: are now saying that he is actually going to.
Speaker 5: Attend that rally.
Speaker 4: Right if he does, I mean, you can only imagine
Speaker 4: how absolutely crazy the crowd is going.
Speaker 5: To have tickets for that. Lucky because you know.
Speaker 4: Of Trump and the UFC community are really really very close.
Speaker 4: He goes to these these events all the time and
Speaker 4: the crowd goes nuts. We've got this convention coming up,
Speaker 4: of course, and this is now going to be I
Speaker 4: think the entire theme of this campaign is now going
Speaker 4: to be summed up in one word that is defiance.
Speaker 4: And I think that defiance is going to be what
Speaker 4: this is all about. And I think that for everybody
Speaker 4: out there, you know, on the fence about which way
Speaker 4: they're going to go. I think that this is just
Speaker 4: you know, underlines. I think the support that Donald Trump
Speaker 4: is going to get because we have now seen this
Speaker 4: is the you know, nearly the endpoint of this whole
Speaker 4: attempt to demonize, dehumanize, destroy this man his family for
Speaker 4: the crime in the left's mind of entering politics, not
Speaker 4: just staying as an entertaining reality TV star and proper developer,
Speaker 4: but entering into politics, blowing up the system, taking on
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton winning in twenty sixteen, which is the thing
Speaker 4: that you know, the left will never get over their
Speaker 4: brain broke seven and a half years ago when that happened,
Speaker 4: and the trauma and the insanity on the left plays
Speaker 4: out in so many ways. And we don't know again
Speaker 4: yet who was responsible for this alleged assassination attempt, but
Speaker 4: you know, it could very well be that this is
Speaker 4: part of that same derangement. We talk about Trump derangement
Speaker 4: syndrome all the time as kind of a joke, you know, sometimes,
Speaker 4: oh that person's got TDS Trump arrangement syndrome, But you know,
Speaker 4: this could actually be quite a much more serious case
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 8: This could be the very manifestation, correct TDS. I mean
Speaker 8: you talk about defiance James, And we've had a statement
Speaker 8: that's come out from Donald Trump Junior, who put mention
Speaker 8: a few minutes ago, and it just sums up how
Speaker 8: Trump is, how his father is doing now. It said,
Speaker 8: I just spoke to my father on the phone, and
Speaker 8: he is in great spirits. He will never stop fighting
Speaker 8: to save America no matter what the radical left throws
Speaker 8: at him.
Speaker 16: So it gives you an insight into how.
Speaker 8: They're already I want to say, spinning this, but it's
Speaker 8: not spin by all accounts. Is how they're going to
Speaker 8: be framing this, that he is, that he's a martyr
Speaker 8: out of this, that he was attacked because of this
Speaker 8: radical left derangement and he is not going to take
Speaker 8: it lying down. So I wouldn't be surprised to see
Speaker 8: him at that UFC fight Adams.
Speaker 3: That would be amazing. Well you'll find out here on sky.
Speaker 3: No worries about that. But let's have a look at
Speaker 3: James has repeatedly referred to the kind of lukewarm Joe
Speaker 3: Biden's statement. I'm surprised he even managed to get to
Speaker 3: the podium.
Speaker 5: But anyway.
Speaker 3: That's my personal opinion. But let's have a listen to
Speaker 3: that statement. You can decide for yourselves whether President Joe
Speaker 3: Biden's response to the attempted assassination of Donald Trump was
Speaker 3: suitably presidential.
Speaker 24: I try to get a hold of Donald. He's with
Speaker 24: his doctors. They apparently he's just doing well. I plan
Speaker 24: on talking them shortly. I hope when I get back
Speaker 24: to the telephone book. There's no place in America for
Speaker 24: this kind of violence.
Speaker 7: It's sick.
Speaker 13: It's sick.
Speaker 24: It's one of the reason why we have to unite
Speaker 24: this country. We cannot allow for this to be happening.
Speaker 24: We cannot be like this. We cannot condone this. And
Speaker 24: so I want to thank the Secret Service and all
Speaker 24: the agency, including the state agencies that have been engaged
Speaker 24: in making sure that people and we have more detail
Speaker 24: to come relative to other injured, other people may be
Speaker 24: injured in the audience. I don't have all that detail.
Speaker 24: Will make that available to you. I may be able
Speaker 24: to come back a little later tonight, but we'll put
Speaker 24: out a statement if we don't, if I'm not able
Speaker 24: to get it, for if it's not convenient for you all.
Speaker 24: But the bottom line is that the Trump rally is
Speaker 24: a rally that he should have been able to be
Speaker 24: conducted peacefully without any problem. But the idea, the idea
Speaker 24: that there's political violence or violence in America like this,
Speaker 24: it's just unpard of. It's just not appropriate, and everybody,
Speaker 24: everybody must condemn it, everybody. I'll keep you informed, and
Speaker 24: if I am able to speak to the to Donald,
Speaker 24: I'll let you know that as well. So far it
Speaker 24: appears he's doing well. Number one. Number two, that there's
Speaker 24: thoroughly investigating what happened to anyone else in the audience.
Speaker 24: I have, we have some reports, but not final reports,
Speaker 24: and every agency in the federal government, and I'm going
Speaker 24: back to my phone to speak with the federal agencies
Speaker 24: that are being put to being put together again to
Speaker 24: give me an updated Breefe as anything happened. They're learning
Speaker 24: more in the last couple of hours. So thank you
Speaker 24: very much, and I hope I get to speak to
Speaker 24: Note and I'll get you back to you if I do.
Speaker 5: President, do you think it was an assassination attempt?
Speaker 24: I don't know enough to have an opinion, but I
Speaker 24: don't have any facts, so I want to make sure
Speaker 24: we have all the facts before I make some comment.
Speaker 3: Anymore comments thank you, I don't know enough seems to
Speaker 3: sum up Joe Biden's presidency in my opinion, Caroline, we
Speaker 3: have had a response from Donald Trumps.
Speaker 8: The man himself has posted it looks on truth social
Speaker 8: getting reposted everywhere obviously, and he says that it was.
Speaker 16: A bullet that clipped him on the ear.
Speaker 8: There had been some speculation about that, so he said
Speaker 8: in his post, I want to thank the United States
Speaker 8: Secret Service and all of law enforcement for their rapid
Speaker 8: response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 8: Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the
Speaker 8: family of the person at the rally who was killed,
Speaker 8: and also to the family of another person that was
Speaker 8: badly injured.
Speaker 11: It is incredible that such.
Speaker 8: An act can take place in our country. Nothing is
Speaker 8: known at this time about the.
Speaker 16: Shooter, who is now dead.
Speaker 8: I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper
Speaker 8: part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something
Speaker 8: was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound shots
Speaker 8: and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much
Speaker 8: bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening.
Speaker 8: God bless America.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: Well, I've said before with somebody up there like Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: because that is extraordinary. If there was a shooter on
Speaker 3: the roof just clipped his ear just as Donald Trump
Speaker 3: turned his head to the right. We saw the footage.
Speaker 3: That is unbelievable and extraordinary. Let's go to Keith Pitt's
Speaker 3: Nationals MP. Keith, you've woken up. You were going to
Speaker 3: come on outside this morning to talk about other things,
Speaker 3: but I think this is all we will talk about. Keith,
Speaker 3: what is your reaction to the attempted assassination of former
Speaker 3: president and presidential candidate Donald Trump.
Speaker 28: I think, like every Australian, I was shocked by the
Speaker 28: footage and the events that have occurred in the United
Speaker 28: States today and what's clearly an assassination attempt on former
Speaker 28: President Trump, and my thoughts go to those innocent bystanders.
Speaker 28: The reports are that someone's lost their life simply because
Speaker 28: they've attended a political rally to support the candidate of
Speaker 28: their choice. And don't forget, I mean, we're only two
Speaker 28: years since the world lost former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe
Speaker 28: to an assassin's board, so It's just incredible scenes.
Speaker 13: And I think for those.
Speaker 28: Of us in public life in Australia, we have to
Speaker 28: be even more deliberate now in our remarks. We have
Speaker 28: to be incredibly cautious that we don't say something unintentionally
Speaker 28: or intentionally that would inflame tensions in this country that
Speaker 28: were in flame hatred in this country. And I don't
Speaker 28: want to see us go down this path. But what
Speaker 28: an incredible series of events in America today.
Speaker 2: What do you think Keith will due to the.
Speaker 3: Ongoing campaign, the presidential campaign there, do you think it
Speaker 3: will ramp up the hatred or do you think people Americans,
Speaker 3: more sober Americans might go, wow, we've really got to
Speaker 3: calm down this rhetoric and we've got to get back
Speaker 3: to a more sensible level of less of the hysteria.
Speaker 28: Well, I hope they return to policy and they make
Speaker 28: it a debate, a round policy.
Speaker 13: To be honest, I think that's unlikely.
Speaker 28: But what I do expect is I think Trump will
Speaker 28: actually increase the number of public events that he does,
Speaker 28: and a bit like Chris Kenny. I mean, we've already
Speaker 28: seen what will be iconic images from this morning, you know,
Speaker 28: the flag and the sky and fist raised. But the
Speaker 28: one that stood out to me is the Secret Service
Speaker 28: shoulder of the arms around one another in a hurdle
Speaker 28: to protect the principle. And it's just an extraordinary, remarkable
Speaker 28: thing for an individual to do. And yet Donald Trump's
Speaker 28: come away relatively unscathed. I think he'll do more public rallies.
Speaker 28: I think it's likely he'll get even greater support across America.
Speaker 13: But for me, my concern has.
Speaker 28: Always been about Australia and we've seen escalation and incidents
Speaker 28: in recent weeks and months.
Speaker 13: You've got a Prime Minister who can't.
Speaker 28: Get to his electorate office because of Palestinian protesters. We've
Speaker 28: had Palestinian protesters with backpackers, breached security at Australia's Parliament House,
Speaker 28: very large rallies again in Queensland, and I just think.
Speaker 13: We've got to take the heat out of that debate.
Speaker 28: We don't want to see these incidents occur in Australia
Speaker 28: and as someone in public life, that's part of my job.
Speaker 8: Caroline Keith, I mean, how will this impact politicians around
Speaker 8: the world. I mean, this is the first assassination attempt
Speaker 8: on US soil we've seen for years now is that
Speaker 8: going to change how politicians and how our leaders in
Speaker 8: Australia operate as well?
Speaker 11: Do you think.
Speaker 28: We've already seen security upgrades and increased warnings for us
Speaker 28: in this country.
Speaker 13: I just find that incredibly sad.
Speaker 28: I think one of the great things about Australias democracy
Speaker 28: is the ability for its MPs and its senators to
Speaker 28: actually mix with the Australian people. I mean, most of
Speaker 28: us are at events that are well publicized. People know
Speaker 28: where we are. It's one of the great things about
Speaker 28: our job. Anyone can come and tell you how bad
Speaker 28: you're doing. Occasionally they tell you you're going all right.
Speaker 13: But it is concerning.
Speaker 28: We've seen stabbings in the UK, for example, for members
Speaker 28: of parliament. We've now seen an assassination tempt on a
Speaker 28: former president in the United States and of course the
Speaker 28: Republican candidate, and no one wants to see that here.
Speaker 28: And I just say to everyone that's making public comments,
Speaker 28: make sure that you keep those in line with what
Speaker 28: you want to see our nation look like into the future.
Speaker 28: And I want it to be as it always has been,
Speaker 28: a place of peace, a place where you can have
Speaker 28: an argument, you can disagree, but you walk away without
Speaker 28: this absolute rhetoric and one eyed view which ultimately results
Speaker 28: in these types of incidents.
Speaker 3: Keith Pitt, Nationals MP for Queensland. There, thanks so much
Speaker 3: for coming on outside, as it's always great to have
Speaker 3: you on. Well, Donald Trump, you know this show Outside
Speaker 3: has began with Donald Trump the night he was elected.
Speaker 3: That's why this show exists. This assassination attempt is something
Speaker 3: we have all feared and dreaded for so many years.
Speaker 3: The vile hatred of Donald Trump, which seems to go
Speaker 3: Caroline referred to Trump derangement syndrome. This hatred of Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: this demonizing of him, which is not exclusive to America,
Speaker 3: by the way, it happens here in Australia by people
Speaker 3: who should know better, and around the world it happens.
Speaker 3: An assassination attempt on Donald Trump was the end result
Speaker 3: of that demonization. And this. If you tell enough people
Speaker 3: enough times that the potential next president is an evil
Speaker 3: Hitler esque type figure who's going to destroy their democracy,
Speaker 3: it's hardly surprising that at some point someone takes matters
Speaker 3: into their own hand. We don't know the full story,
Speaker 3: we don't know who the shooter is. We know he's dead,
Speaker 3: We've heard extraordinary reports this morning from the BBC and
Speaker 3: Fox and other places, people who were there. That will
Speaker 3: be poured over by many people in the hours to come.
Speaker 3: There are reports that Donald Trump may may reappear sooner
Speaker 3: than we are. He may be out of that hospital,
Speaker 3: and that will be a momentous event. James and Caroline,
Speaker 3: what a morning to be here and outside.
Speaker 4: As James, I just think that this is extraordinary and
Speaker 4: extraordinarily sad.
Speaker 5: We've got some statements from the Secret Service here.
Speaker 3: I think let's have let's go to that that is
Speaker 3: awfully small there. I think, Ala, sorry, there is a
Speaker 3: statement from the Secret Service, but this is live and
Speaker 3: we can't read it.
Speaker 11: That is very small text.
Speaker 3: So we're going we can't read that for you. But
Speaker 3: Kieran Gilbert, who's coming on.
Speaker 5: In a second.
Speaker 8: I've got is that during former President Trump's campaign rally
Speaker 8: in Butler, Pennsylvania, on the evening of July thirteenth, at
Speaker 8: approximately six fifteen PM, a suspected shooter fired multiple shots
Speaker 8: toward the stage from an elevated position.
Speaker 16: Outside of the rally venue.
Speaker 8: US Secret Service personnel neutralized the shooter, who has now deceased.
Speaker 8: US Secret Service quickly responded with protective measures, and the
Speaker 8: former president is safe and is being evaluated. One spectator
Speaker 8: was killed, two spectators were critically injured. The incident is
Speaker 8: currently under investigation, and the Secret Service has formally notified
Speaker 8: the Federal Bureau of Investigations the FBI, so that that
Speaker 8: report from the art witness we saw outside the venue
Speaker 8: seems to have some crop.
Speaker 5: There we go.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Caroline, and let's go now to Fox News.
Speaker 3: You stay here, watch throughout the day here on Sky
Speaker 3: Fox News, and then we'll be talking to Kieren Gilbert
Speaker 3: later on. You will carry all the coverage through the
Speaker 3: rest of the day.
Speaker 2: Thanks and welcome to Hannity.
Speaker 29: And this is a Fox News alert today, the former
Speaker 29: president of the United States, Donald J. Trump, was the
Speaker 29: target of an apparent assassination attempt. One innocent attendee is
Speaker 29: now dead. President Trump, we are told, is alive and
Speaker 29: well and now in a safe location. The shooter, meanwhile,
Speaker 29: has been killed by US Secret Service. And just breaking
Speaker 29: moments ago, President Trump's first reaction on truth social quote,
Speaker 29: I want to thank the US Secret Service and all
Speaker 29: of law enforcement for their rapid response on the shooting
Speaker 29: that just took place. In Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I
Speaker 29: want to extend my condolences to the family of the
Speaker 29: person at the rally who was killed, and also to
Speaker 29: the family of another person that was badly injured. It
Speaker 29: is incredible that such an act can take place in
Speaker 29: our country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter,
Speaker 29: who is now dead. He said, I was shot with
Speaker 29: a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear.
Speaker 29: I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I
Speaker 29: heard a whizzing sound shots and immediately felt the bullet
Speaker 29: ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I
Speaker 29: realized then what was happening. God bless America. According to
Speaker 29: the Secret Service Tonight quote, during former President Trump's campaign
Speaker 29: rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, on the evening of July thirteenth,
Speaker 29: at approximately six to fifteen pm, a suspected shooter fired
Speaker 29: multiple shots towards the stage from an elevated position outside
Speaker 29: of the rally venue. US Secret Service personnel neutralized the shooter,
Speaker 29: who has now deceased.
Speaker 2: US Secret Service quickly.
Speaker 29: Responded with protective measures, and former President Trump is safe.
Speaker 29: One spectator was killed, two spectators were critically injured. This
Speaker 29: incident is currently under investigation. The Secret Service has notified
Speaker 29: the FBI, and in case you missed it, here's what
Speaker 29: went down just a few hours ago. Show Take a listen,
Speaker 29: take a look, take a look at what happened.
Speaker 10: Up the spirit are home?
Speaker 14: What are you ready?
Speaker 27: On?
Speaker 14: You ready?
Speaker 25: How has here ready?
Speaker 20: Are you ready?
Speaker 15: Good?
Speaker 3: Shot down?
Speaker 14: Shoot her down.
Speaker 10: I'll be good to know.
Speaker 21: We're talk Come up.
Speaker 5: Let me get my shoe, Let me get my shoes.
Speaker 5: I got you, so, let me get my shoes.
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Speaker 11: Get okay, sell I'll tell you
Speaker 21: Gonna h