WEBVTT - Outsiders | 14 July 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.040 Or something similar to it. I asked her if she 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:03.760 thought it sounded like a twenty two. She said, yes, 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:05.840 we just yelled for everybody. 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:06.160 Good morning. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:10.680 You're watching outsiders. This is devastating news. Shots fired at 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.120 Donald Trump at a Trump rally less than an hour ago. 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:18.040 The former president appeared to have been clipped by a bullet. 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.200 There was blood clearly visible around his ear, But after 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:26.640 ducking down and being swamped by security guards, Donald Trump 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:31.000 was clearly seen pumping his fist defiantly in the air, 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.479 yelling out fight, fight, fight as he was rushed away. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.280 Donald Trump is alive after surviving what looks at this 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:44.159 stage to be an assassination attempt. This is massive news 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.440 and something many of us have feared for many years. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:51.640 We will bring you every development and reaction from the 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:56.800 United States to this unfolding story. Just to recap, bullets 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.840 fired at a Trump rally. Donald Trump appears to have 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.280 been hit behind the ear, blood behind his ear, on 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.840 his face. He is alive. Let's show you how our 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:12.039 colleagues at Fox News captured the moment as it happened. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:14.679 Look at what happened. 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:37.960 Let me let me get so. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:38.319 We're got. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:40.920 Me. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:45.039 I'll tell you. 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:26.200 Horrific news. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.799 We've all feared this for many, many years, an assassination 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.239 attempt on Donald Trump. They've tried everything else, They've tried 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.280 to shoot him now, but he is safe. He appears 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.600 to be alive. He is in hospital. The security guards 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.360 rushed him away. James Morrow, What do you make this 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.079 happened less than an hour ago, forty five minutes ago, James, 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.600 an assassination attempt on Donald Trump? 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.680 Well, rowand I am shocked, but I cannot say that 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.440 I am surprised if you look at the temperature of 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.120 the debate and the discussion around Donald Trump in the 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.640 United States, the way that he has been made into 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:03.280 an absolute hate figure for so many on the left. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.760 Now we don't know at this stage who was responsible 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.240 for this. There are some unconfirmed reports that the Secret 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.720 Service said the shooter was down. We don't know quite 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:11.360 what that means. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:11.480 It. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.920 We don't know who was responsible for this, But the 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.400 overall temperature in the United States around Donald Trump on 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.760 the left is so high and so hot right now 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:25.560 that I have been sadly expecting something like this to 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:26.560 happen at some point. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:26.680 Now. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.280 I have been to Trump rallies before in twenty twenty. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.760 There is security. I know that they have ramped up 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:36.640 security for this campaign, but I will say this image here, 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.040 that iconic image. I don't know if we can show 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:43.520 the still images of Donald Trump, this image right here, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.600 holding his fist up, his blood coming out of his 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.080 ear where he appears to have been clipped grazed by 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.680 what we believe to be an assassin's bullet. These will 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.880 be iconic images of this campaign. I think I don't 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:03.040 know how the Democrats back from this, especially if we 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.240 don't know who the shooter or the alleged shooter is 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.040 at this stage. I do know we're already starting to 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.560 see attempts by some of the media to talk this down, 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.560 to turn this into a debate about gun control. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:16.040 CNN even said. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.520 CNN even said on their website that the Trump rally 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.279 was interrupted after Donald Trump fell at the rally, which 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.400 calls you how dishonest. An awful lot of people are 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.919 going to be about what just happened. But make no mistake, Rowan, 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:35.240 this was political violence. And if it is as it looks, 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.479 this is the sort of thing there is no place 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:41.760 for this in American politics or any democratic public political system. 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:46.080 Well, they've been demonizing Donald Trump so ruthlessly and relentlessly. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.400 Let's go to analyse Nilssen in the States to chat 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.880 to her about what exactly has happened there. Analyst, give 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.880 us your thoughts the latest news on this assassination attempt 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:56.640 on Donald Trump. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.080 Look, this was, I think, as James said, something that 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.960 is always a risk for any president, but this has 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.080 been a live risk for Donald Trump for some time, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.240 and so it's just how much is at stake for 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.800 this election. So if you watch the footage back, it 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.160 all happens in just a matter of moments, and you 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.440 can see when Donald Trump goes to grab his ear, 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.919 he's obviously felt the impact of the bullets before you 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.480 start hearing those popping sounds in the recording. He drops 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:32.280 down and then this is really going to define all 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.800 of this, as the Secret Service leaps on him to 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:36.080 take him off the stage. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.120 He fist pumps, fight, fight, fight. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.360 So I think there's a few reasons that's so iconic, 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:44.039 just the extraordinary site of a former president, leading candidate 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.120 for this election being let off stage, covered in blood, 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.599 yelling out fighting. I think also as Americans starch process, 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.359 this is going to think about the image of what 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.040 if something like that happened to Biden. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.280 And it just goes back. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:00.000 Into that very relevant discussion across America about his age, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.920 whether he is up to go for another four years, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.880 because that debate put that on the front mind of 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.760 people across the country. And so this is also coming 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.279 at a time when Donald Trump is pulling ahead, when 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.120 he has the Republican Party United behind him, And the 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.680 other major factor for all this is the big weakness 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.160 from his critics, is that he has all these legal 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.560 cases against him, that he's a felon, and he's always 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.719 framed this as saying, this is the elite's coming after me, 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.120 this is my enemy's coming after me, and I'm the 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.560 only thing between them and coming after you. So to 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.200 have an actual attempt on his life at this point 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:36.080 in the election. 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.520 Campaign is going to completely redefine all of this. And 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:40.679 thankfully he's okay. 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.200 Thankfully, his team said he's been treated at a local 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:47.040 medical facility and that the investigation started. 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:48.560 That's from the Secret Service as well. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.200 But in a matter of days, he'll be here in Milwaukee, 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.919 he'll have a stadium full of his supporters, and you 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.400 can imagine it's already been locked down by the Secret Service. 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.400 Everything's going to go up as many not just as 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.880 you can imagine. But he's going to have the support 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.200 of his entire party, and he's going to have bandages 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.960 on his blood coming out from the last attempt. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:08.320 On his life. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.960 I suppose we'll have that, Analis, I suppose, well, Analis, 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.600 I suppose we'll have those. Donald Trump band aids will 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.200 be the next bit of merchandise out there. But this 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.880 is serious news. Analyse. The demonizing of Donald Trump has 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.960 been relentless by the Democrat Party, by the left wing 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:31.120 media in America. It has been relentless court cases against him, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:37.000 ninety four chargers, endlessly calling him the most evil orange 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.480 person and a threat to democracy? Is it any wonder 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.520 analyse that someone some you know, we don't know who yet, 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.800 and we don't know why, but we can imagine some 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.760 nutjob has decided, Okay, I'm going to take out this 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.040 great threat to democracy myself. How much blamed are the 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:57.120 Democrats and the left wing media in America and around 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:02.200 the world bear for this awful event that's happened just 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.720 this afternoon American time here and Sunday morning in Australia. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.480 Well, I can already see one comment made by Joe 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.120 Biden has started trending on Twitter or x where he said, 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.520 it's enough time talking about my debate performance. We need 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.640 to put the bullseye on on Donald Trump. So this 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.840 is going to play all. He's a country that has 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.600 a lot of guns, highest guns per capita of any 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.119 first world country in the world, and this is always 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.720 a risk. This is why they have such intense Secret Service, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.960 and our former prime ministers can go around like there's 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.520 not much to it, but for the US they keep 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:40.679 that up. The question is going to be, how on 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.040 earth did this happen in one of these environments. I 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.400 heard Jameson mentioning that before, but I've been to plenty 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.240 of Trump rallies and they're. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:48.760 Always super tight. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.440 I've had hairspray cands confiscated because it's a security risk. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.160 You go into these things and they go through like 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.000 airport style security. When we bring our camera equipment in, 0:08:58.080 --> 0:08:59.680 it has to go in eight hours early, so the 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:03.560 Secret Service could do it's sweet and remove anything potentially threatening. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.280 How on earth anyone got that close to President Trump 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:10.559 and that environment with what There's pretty much no option 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.800 at this point that we can reasonably think that would 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.840 be anything other than a gunshot at the president with 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.640 his ear damaged like that, and the shots sound fired 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.360 that we heard on the tape, So I think we 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.280 can reasonably assume at this point, even if we haven't 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.719 had the exact confirmation. But this just shows how vitriolic 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.160 things have gotten at this point in time. Every previous 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.360 assassination attempt on a US president has come at those 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.960 really peak times of division, and it's always gotten worse afterwards. 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.000 We've had Don Elys, We've had all the way back 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.880 to Lincoln, We've had Kennedy, we've had Reagan, now Trump, 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.400 what will be What has been the reaction from the supporters, 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.040 apart from obviously horror and shock. Are they seeing this 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:58.480 as as yet another sign that Trump is destined back 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.079 for the White House, that he's survived this assassination attempt 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:03.560 much as Reagan survived his. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:08.959 Well, you don't try to take someone out if you 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.520 don't see them as a threat. So this is going 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:16.120 to absolutely frame this election for Trump like that those 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.559 images of him raising his fist in defiance with blood 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.880 streaming on his face are going to be iconic for 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:26.920 this century. That is just such an encapsulation of where 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.600 we are now, what he's defied to get there, and 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.120 how do the Democrats push back on that. All we've 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.079 heard for the President so far is that he's been 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.160 briefed on the incident, he's been at church today, his book. 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.720 Apart from that, his entire weekend was cleared, because all 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:42.960 he's been doing is trying to call his own supporters 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.440 to shore up supporter as they abandon him quickly. And 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.559 then who takes on this when we can assume that 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.680 Joe Biden will have to step down at some point. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.800 With the way things are going, something has to change 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.959 for it to turn around, and generally, age related memory 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.120 doesn't turn for the better at any point, and so 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.800 this really is just kind of limping towards its natural 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.920 conclusion at this point. But what we do know is 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.680 that Donald Trump is going to use this as a 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.559 solidifying force, and he's already got the Republicans completely. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:13.079 United behind him. 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.320 As I mentioned before, even at this convention, those few 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.200 delegates that were pledged to Nikki Haley, she'd already released 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.400 them because she said it was a moment for unity. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:22.839 And so every single of every single one of the 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.319 almost three thousand delegates coming to here to Milwaukee. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:26.600 Water back in Donald Trump. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.360 After years have been told how much division there was 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.280 in the party, how Republicans were so all over the 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.040 place and couldn't. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:34.960 Figure out what their core was. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.240 Their core is Donald Trump now and he's ready to 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.040 come take that mantle. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:41.880 And people are going to be scared. This is a 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.800 scary thing to see in assassination attempts like this, and. 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.520 So they'll lean more towards those extremes and their voting 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:48.959 as well. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:54.280 Caroline filling in for reader Pane here here analyst Caroline 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:55.240 Marcus on the disk. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.480 How do you see this playing out for his campaign? 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.160 Do you think this will trans into even better polling 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.439 for Donald Trump? As you say, that is such an 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.959 iconic image already that we've seen with that fist pump 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.520 in the air, do you think that will translate into 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:11.320 even better polling? 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.320 I think it well could, because, just as I said before, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.760 it's a scary thing to happen, and that's a very 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.200 motivating thing for elections. One of the things that doesn't 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.240 work well in non compulsory voting systems is people being 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.440 apathetic about anything, and so when you have something so 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.839 clearly unifying like this. It is going to encourage people 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.240 to vote and encourage them for a change more secure. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.040 But also we have to keep an eyenail on where 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.000 these protests go. We are expecting a big protest here 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.120 at the RNC on Tuesday. There's a march on the 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.040 RNC and we're told at least fifteen hundred people potentially 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.880 more are going to come protests. Now there's a reason 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.560 for all those right wing protesters. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:54.840 Who might have sat it out otherwise. 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.240 And just been happy with seeing their guy on the 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:57.720 stage to come out and give them a piece of 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.240 their mind. And these things ken turned violence as we've 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.920 seen before. I mean, James can tell you about the 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.080 nineteen sixty eight convention in Chicago. But what we're going 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.640 to see here is just this is going to completely 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.920 solidify so many of truck supporters who were happy to 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.840 kind of sit things out and watch it roll because 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.240 the guy was coming back in. Now they've got something 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:18.000 to be angry about. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.120 And Lise Nilson, thanks so much. We might cross back 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.600 to you later on in the show. Thanks so much 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.439 fulfilling us in there. So just to recap the latest news, 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.080 if you just switched on, there has been an assassination 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:33.840 attempt on Donald Trump at a rally Saturday afternoon in Pennsylvania. 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.720 The president, the former president, Donald Trump, appears to be 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.280 in good health. He was clipped behind the ear. There 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.280 was blood clearly visible behind his ear and across his 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.120 face as he first went down behind the podium and 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.880 then reappeared surrounded by secret security officers who bundled him 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:55.520 off took him away. He was defiant the entire time, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:14:00.880 pumping his fist in the air, screaming out fight, fight fights. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.800 A lot of reaction from the support is also yelling. 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.800 Obviously a lot of high emotions. Donald Trump was bundled 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.120 into a van, still pumping his fist in the air, 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:13.040 still defiantly calling out fight, fight fights. There were two 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.959 shots that sounded like that were fired. It did appear 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:21.240 to clip his ear, blood everywhere. This is an assassination attempt, clearly, Jans. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.280 Absolutely it was. I mean, that's the only thing that 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.400 we can think at this point. It's not something random. 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.040 Somebody had to go and figure out how to, as 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:32.320 Annaly said, get that weapon through very tight security and 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.040 get that close to the former president. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.920 This is just shocking to me, and I just want. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.120 To talk a bit more about, you know, this real 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:45.200 culture that has grown up around the hate around Donald Trump. 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.800 You know, the other day John mcwater, who is a 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.160 New York Times columnist on a podcast said he said 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.280 sort of in jest, but said that he was wishing 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.160 that somebody would shoot Donald Trump. This is what Joe 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.880 Biden tweeted just a day and a half ago. He 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.520 Saidmericans want a president, not a dictator. Now, when you've 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.720 got the President of the United States essentially saying this 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:12.960 person here is a dictator. The whole the whole narrative 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.960 around Trump is this idea that he is a threat 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.760 to the American Republic, American democracy, the American way of life. 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.840 If those messages go into somebody who is and again 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.240 we don't know who is responsible for this, we'll find 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:31.880 out about this, but you know, the temperature around Donald 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.120 Trump is so overheated, and this is just like you know, 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.920 you remember after jfk was assassinated. Well I don't remember 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.760 because I wasn't born then, but you know, after that 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.320 that assassination of John F. Kennedy, the whole thing was 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:47.120 blamed on. 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.880 And culture of hate around John F. Kennedy. 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.120 Now you can talk about what actually happened there. But 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.120 the point is that these things, you know, words do 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:57.440 matter and the way. 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.200 But I also want to I want to just interrupt 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.200 you that generals, because the Sky News in the UK 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:06.040 are reporting that an individual was killed in this assassination attempt. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.160 We don't know who. We don't have any more details, 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.560 but we will bring those to you. That one person 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.120 apparently is dead, whether that was the shooter or or 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.200 someone else, we don't know this Google too. 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.960 We had heard before that the Secret Service had said 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:20.880 shoot her down. And I can tell you that the 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.800 Secret Service, I've been, I've traveled with presidents before when 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.880 I lived in the United States, they have counter assault teams, 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.400 they have snipers. They would have had somebody on that 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.600 person and would have pulled the trigger on that person immediately. 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.520 Well that's what we're hearing, so we'll give you those details. 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.480 We're going now to Christian Witten, who's in the States 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:46.040 regularly here on Outsiders. Christian, thanks for coming on you 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.480 were you to come on anyway today, But my goodness, 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.320 what a morning. I was appalled to hear from our correspondent, 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.960 Analyst Nilsson, that Joe Biden had put out a message 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.800 or a tweet the other day saying, stop talking about 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.600 my bad performance at the debate. Let's put the bullseye 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.480 on Donald Trump. Now, as James was just saying, this 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.280 endless talk about him being a dictator, about him being 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.280 the worst person on earth, threat to democracy. How much 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:18.639 responsibility Christian do the Democrats and the left wing media 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.600 in America bear for what clearly is an assassination attempt 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:23.560 on Donald Trump. 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:26.920 Well, I'd say a lot. 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.119 We'll have to wait and see exactly what was going 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.240 on here and what the motives were, but it looks 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.360 like it was some nutjob responding to the outrageous rhetoric 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.199 that has been coming from the left. There are the 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.440 items you just mentioned. There's The New Republic, which used 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:46.000 to actually be a responsible, even handed magazine of the 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.960 center left, classical liberal, just put a picture of Donald 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.399 Trump as Adolf Hitler on its cover. And you know, 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.880 let's use the liberal's own standard here. 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:55.439 These people. 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.159 When Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska, had a 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:03.760 television and had they just had crosshairs moving over congressional districts. Later, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.800 she was blamed when Gabby Gifford's a congresswoman was shot, 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:08.720 saying Palin was responsible. 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:09.560 Because she did the crosshairs thing. 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:10.520 You know. 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:12.480 One other point too, is you know, the person who's 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.840 just commenting mentioned JFK. He was killed by someone who 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.040 was a communist, sympathized the person who shot Robert Kennedy. Again, 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.480 there was supposed to be this culture of right wing hankshids. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.560 Actually he was shot by and killed by someone who 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.040 was a proto Islamist. And if you look at the 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.760 Summer of Love, summer of twenty twenty, when American cities 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.440 were torn apart, it was left wing violence. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.639 Yes, we do have right wing nutjobs too. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.439 There were the people in the khakis at Charlottesville with 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:40.320 the tiki torches, and there were the rioters on January sixth. 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:44.320 But you've seen this again and again, this trend of 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.040 left wing political violence. 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:51.800 Christian, what's the How astonished or surprised were you? I 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.879 mean many of us here. I've been fearful for many years, 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.359 but particularly the last few months, that the only way 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.760 they would stop Donald Trump getting back into the oval 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.680 lop was to shoot him. I haven't dard say that 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.400 because you don't want to say it, but that's been 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:08.720 my greatest fear. As an avid Trump supporter, it has 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.600 been feared for a long time. What's the reaction amongst 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.240 Republicans there in America at the moment. 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.119 Everyone I've talked to has been completely astonished. You know, 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.440 I was on of all places, a Russian TV show 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:25.920 a couple of weeks ago, when was asked by the host, well, 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.440 what if they try and shoot, just take out Donald Trump? 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.840 And I thought, well, that's just sort of Russian style thinking. 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.360 We don't really have that in America. If you look, 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:37.240 the security around presidents and presidential candidates has been increased 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.560 so dramatically since Reagan was shot in nineteen eighty one. 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.000 It's almost become absurd. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.800 With presidents, their motorcids are so big and so long, 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.760 and have something. They have tactical ambulances, they have twenty 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.800 suburbans and every road is shut down. The presidential candidates 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.600 and former presidents don't get that. And as your reporter 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.120 earlier mentioned, everyone going in anywhere close as screens. So 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:00.040 something did. 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.120 Go wrong here. It's you know, early days. We don't 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:03.320 know exactly what happened. 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.040 The gunshots weren't so loud and so close that everyone 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.359 on the bleachers hit the deck, so it will be 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.240 interesting to see which weapon was used in how far 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.560 away Trump's head was turned to the right it hit 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.760 his right ear. It applies that someone who shot that 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.720 the bullets were close behind may have almost passed behind 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.800 him but did not and would have come from either 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.760 the extreme left or extreme right of the stage. But 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:29.760 a lot of people think the Secret Service is sort 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.880 of one of the parts of government that hasn't been corrupted, 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.720 that does a very good job, a very thorough job. 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:37.440 Just getting into the White. 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.320 House, even if you have official business or if you 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.520 work there as a real pain. So this is even 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:45.639 though the rhetoric is so high and it's tuned to 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.359 political violence thanks to the left. This is a shock 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.600 to to everyone I've spoken to this afternoon here And. 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.119 What sorry, James, Yeah, I just want to got some 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.120 breaking news here. Apparently the President is being briefed by 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.280 the Director of the Secret Service, the Department of Homeland 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.679 Security and the Chief of Staff and a number of 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.840 other people. So, but I want to ask you again. 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.720 A moment ago I spoke about this tweet here from 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:13.120 Joe Biden where he said that America wants a president, 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:14.399 not a dictator. 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:16.320 Now, I mean you. 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:18.600 Were seeing it there on our screen. This seems to 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:22.440 me almost like incitement or if not incitement, at least 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.879 kind of permission to people who are on the left, 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.760 hard left, unhinged. And we've seen this, as you say, long, long, 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:34.040 long tradition of political violence from the left. You know, 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.080 whether it's the riots during the Summer of Love in 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.000 twenty twenty, whether it's the assassination of John F. 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:39.439 Kennedy. 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.679 Do you think that the White House needs to really 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.680 take a good hard look at how it has behaved 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:49.119 and the way it has led the rhetoric and the 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.840 demonizing not just of Donald Trump but of Donald Trump supporters. 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:55.320 And how do you think the media is going to 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.000 play this? Are they going to start to try and 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.520 make this about gun control or something other than the 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.840 parent attempted assassination of a presidential candidate. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.439 Right, Well, on your last question, we're already saying that 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.119 exactly happened. All of the corporate media here, all of 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.159 the left wing media. CNN was worth saying that that 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:17.000 Trump was escorted off the stage after he fell. All 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:19.160 of the main networks, if you look what their first 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:23.320 reactions were, Basically, the implication was This is not an 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.399 assassination attempt. This is not political violence. And so once again, 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:30.640 as with the president's mental state, as with anything they 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.200 are doing, the bidding of the Biden campaign. 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.040 It's for your earlier question. I mean, I think President 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:37.120 Biden ought to resign. 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.160 He was the one who just five days ago said 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.159 we're putting the crosshairs on Donald Trump. And as you mentioned, 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:46.440 saying that democracy at staked. We had four years of 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:50.160 Donald Trump's presidency, including two years where he controlled both 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.240 houses of Congress and when he had a political majority 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.200 on the Supreme Court, effective Republican control of all. 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:58.520 Three branches of government. Did he become a dictator? 0:22:58.680 --> 0:22:58.760 No? 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.240 Did he refuse to leave office on January twentieth. 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:06.400 Well, he attempted, certainly to have the election looked at 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.359 in a different light than people were looking at it. 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.520 But he left. He didn't break any laws, I don't think. 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:13.760 I think all the charges against him are phony. And 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:17.320 so is this constant accusation that he's a dictatorship. Yeah, 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:20.879 eventually you're going to get the message through to a 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:23.639 nutjob who does something violent like this, And it's this 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.639 inability to discuss the issues facing this country and instead 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:31.240 to engage in the politics of personal destruction. 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:33.360 They can't talk about inflation. 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:36.840 They can't talk about why we got thrown out of Afghanistan, 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:39.760 why Iran is running around the Middle East. They can't 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:43.399 talk about why US energy production has been lagging, and 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:45.879 why people are furious at high prices, and why the 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:46.680 border is open. 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:47.560 And so what do you do? 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:52.399 You demonize your opponent, and I think that has a cost. 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.720 Christian Whitten, thanks so much for coming on and chatting 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.360 to us. What an extraordinary day and history assassination attempt 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:02.600 on Donald Trump and what that means for the future 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.639 of America. Thanks Christian so much for coming on, and 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.920 we'll chat again soon. Let's just have another look now 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:12.600 at the actual moments of the shooting of Donald Trump, 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:16.600 which happened less than about an hour ago through Fox. 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:20.399 Have a listen, look here, look at what happened. 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:44.040 Let me let meet. So we're going. 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:50.760 I'll tell you. 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:32.960 Okay, And we've now got a statement from Donald Trump's 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.400 Truth Social which is his social media outlet. 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:37.720 Here we go. 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:44.320 President Trump thanks the enforcement and first responders for their 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:51.919 quick action during this heenous act. This is the he 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:55.480 is fine and is being can't read the rest of it. 0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:58.680 Caroline checked out at a local medical facility. More details, 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:01.159 a little bit closer to the screen. 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:05.600 Than you are, right, Thanks Caroline. That's great. So Caroline, 0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:08.520 what a day for you to be here on Outsiders 0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:09.600 with us. What a morning? 0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:12.280 Incredible, this is extraordinary. 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:12.440 Breaking new story. 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.040 I think we've got Shaun Spice on the line as well, 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:16.720 so let's go to an interview with. 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:18.600 Him, because he will really. 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:22.639 Have an insight into what will be in everyone's minds 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:25.080 in the US in the presidential campaign. 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.400 Seawan, thank you for joining us on Outsiders. 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:31.520 Sean, great to have you, But under what circumstances give 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.760 us your thoughts on what has happened with this attempted 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:36.119 assassination on Donald Trump and who's to blame. 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:40.360 Well, it's outrageous and I think we're gonna have plenty 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:42.000 of time to figure out who's to blame. I think 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.879 the commentary that you guys are providing has been spot on. 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:49.479 It's interesting the Democrats are quick to accuse everybody on 0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:51.160 the right about political violence. 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:53.679 We'll have to see who this shooter was. 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.359 I've been texting with people on the ground at the 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.080 rally that appears to be several other people that have 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:02.000 been shot agree to, which I think we're going to 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.760 find out in the coming hours. But this level of 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:08.600 political violence is something that I have denounced on both 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:10.080 sides from the get go. 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:12.000 Several years back, as you recall, I. 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:15.440 Was with Donald Trump when he visited our Steve Scalise, 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.400 who was at that time the House whip. We went 0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:21.679 to the hospital that night to visit Congressman Scalise and 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.920 his team and the police officers that have been shot. 0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:27.520 So again, I think we don't know. We'll low a 0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:28.080 lot more. 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.560 You heard in that video the Secret Service saying shoot 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.520 her down. We'll get a lot more detail soon. There's 0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:37.960 gonna be a lot of questions about security as your audience, 0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:40.520 just as you discussed with your audience earlier, in terms 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:43.359 of how something got in, what kind of weapon was it, 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:47.040 and then who the shooter was in their background. But 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:48.879 I think that what you guys are touching on is 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.919 very interesting because the rhetoric of the left, you know, 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:54.920 is something that gets a pass in our media, and 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:58.440 Christian Witten mentioned this over and over again. You listen 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:01.520 to people like Chuck um Er, the Senate Majority Leader, 0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:06.720 Maxine Waters, the congressman from California who advocate for violence 0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:07.840 against people on the right. 0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:09.800 It gets very little attention. 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:12.480 So if this were to match up, I think we 0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:13.919 would know exactly who to blame. 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:15.840 And Sean, I just want to read to you. 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.960 It's funny you mentioned Chuck Schumer because I've just been 0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:23.200 sent some quotes that he stated back in May when 0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.840 he claimed that Donald Trump was quote falsely suggesting his 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:30.400 political opponents are out to kill him, and Chuck Schumer 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.439 said that this was quote beyond the pale and is 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:36.320 the stuff that leads to political violence. That's what Schumer 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.680 said on the Senate for and accused Donald Trump of 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.320 having no consideration for the sanctity and peacefulness and further 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:46.760 functioning of our democracy. So, I mean, you see in 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:50.480 that quote exactly the sort of gaslighting that the left does, 0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.160 where on the one hand they say, oh, you know, 0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.440 this whole thing is completely overblown, No one's going to 0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:58.920 try and shoot Donald Trump, and then in the very 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:02.400 next breath on to say, but this guy is a complete, 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.200 you know, threat to our democracy. Saw The questions for you, though, 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.520 is you've been on presidential campaigns. You know how these 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:11.360 things work, as have I how does Donald Trump now 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:16.040 campaign going forward? Is it going to be more difficult 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:19.520 to hold these big rallies, you know, with the security 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.080 that you'll be needing now that there's already been one 0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.320 apparent attempt on his life. 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:29.080 Look, I've been in several situations with him, both as 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.880 a candidate and as president of the United States. Ultimately, 0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.120 the Secret Services job is to provide the president with 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:35.959 their recommendation. 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:37.719 We don't think you should go here. This is how 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:38.720 much time we're going to need. 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.640 But the president and now candidate Trump, the nominee, can 0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.120 override those decisions. And you saw him tonight. They were 0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:46.760 trying to take them off the stage. He wanted to 0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:48.720 get up, hump his fist, he wanted to make sure 0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:49.479 he had his shoes. 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:51.520 This is Donald Trump as his essence. 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.720 I've been with him before where he's overridden the Secret Service, 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:56.000 and I think he's going to you. 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.240 He's not going to let this incident. 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:01.000 Undermine his ability to hold to get in touch with 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:04.040 the people. They may have to do some additional screenings 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.560 and stuff like that, but I don't think in any way, 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.040 shape or form, this will deter Donald Trump. He is 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:12.520 going to be in fact, probably more driven to go 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:14.680 out there and show it was kind of like post COVID. 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:16.720 If you remember when he returned from you to read, 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.760 he climbed up the stairs rip the mask off. I 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.960 would bet you, if I had to pet put money 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:23.200 on it. 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:24.520 Today it is. 0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.160 Seven point thirty here Eastern time in the US where 0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:32.160 that occurred. I bet you that we see a photo 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:35.360 of him by nine thirty tonight, some video of him. 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:36.840 He's gonna want to be out there. 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:39.080 He's gonna want to thank law enforcement, not leave it 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:43.280 to the spokesman Stephen Chung, despite Stephen being a great spokesman. 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:45.200 I think Trump is going to want to make sure 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.280 that he gets out there, you know, some kind of 0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.120 video message. But this is not in any way going 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:52.000 to deter him. He's going to want to show people 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:52.800 the fighter he is. 0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:53.200 Now. 0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:56.920 One last thing I'll say, there's stories today about the 0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:01.440 message and the optics that Trump was really trying to 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.880 showcase going into the Republican National Convention. He wanted to 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:08.800 contrast what he believes is strength versus Joe Biden's weakness, 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.520 and mark my word, tonight, he is going to come 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:15.240 out of this event trying to show further strength over 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:18.240 Joe Biden's perceived weakness, and. 0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.320 Sean, we're already hearing now from the ap that. 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:25.160 One shooter that one other person we believe is also 0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:26.120 dead from. 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:29.200 That from the incident, now that we've we've we've had 0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.600 that reported. But also I want just ask you about 0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:33.080 that iconic books to Night, real. 0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:33.800 Quick, real quick. 0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:34.120 On that. 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.560 I think there's there's two things. One is, obviously we 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:41.200 heard shoot her down. Just to be clear, the Secret Service, 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:43.240 if they felt like there was an active threat, would 0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:44.120 take the individual out. 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.080 But considering the size of the rally. 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.600 Yeah, if that person was amongst others, I don't know 0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.960 that they would. They're not going to just shoot it somebody. 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:55.280 So there's a possibility that's the person that's down. But 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.080 I've also been texting with folks at the rally. There 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:01.040 were other people shot. In fact, one of the people 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:03.320 that I'm texting with so says that somebody in the 0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:06.560 front row got hit in the head. I can't confirm 0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.560 that yet, is secondhand. So my point is there are others. 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:12.680 You heard all those pops go off, and if there's 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.800 people right behind Donald Trump and that audience in that rally, 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.840 I have a hard time believing somebody didn't get hit. 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:22.280 Yeah, so apparently the AP is reporting that another person 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:26.080 at the rally has been shot at the fatality, so 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:27.920 that maybe. 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:28.760 Confirm the person. 0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:31.440 The person that I'm talking to says in the front row, 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:35.479 somebody near them was shot in the head. Obviously, you know, 0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:40.520 I know as much as that text, but that close, 0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:43.880 that proximity to Trump getting hit in the head would 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:45.800 be sort of the obvious suspect in that case. 0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.440 Yeah, I mean, so we're obviously the details are coming 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:49.920 through thick and fast too. But I just want to 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.160 go back to that really iconic image again, you know, 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:58.200 with the blood and the fist bump and the flag. 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:00.440 To me, it seems like this this is one of 0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.840 these moments that's going to go down in American history, 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:06.120 and this is one of those iconic images. But I 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.240 would also expect that this is going to factor very 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.920 heavily in the Trump campaign because his message to now 0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:14.920 has been, you know, they tried to beat me in 0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:16.560 the lecture, they tried to do this, they tried to 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:17.920 arrest me, they tried to jail me. 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:19.240 None of these things work. 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:23.800 So obviously, you know, this plays into what Donald Trump 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.520 says about the narrative of how far his enemies are 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:32.000 willing to go to stop him. This is the basically 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.600 the image of the campaign now through November, isn't it. 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:36.640 Absolutely You're right. 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:38.440 I mean, think about it. They tried to kick him off. 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.320 I mean, look, I was there in twenty sixteen. We 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:42.480 can go back, and I've been tweeting about this for 0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.040 the last several months. It was the Steele dossier, the 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:47.880 cover up and the suppression of the laptop, then the 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:52.120 kick him off the ballot, then the legal the law fair, 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.480 and now this, I think to your point about the 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:58.120 Schumer quote earlier, think about it. They have mocked him 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.440 for claiming the extent to which others have tried to 0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:05.880 stop him, and now virtually an assassination attempt is at Bay. 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.600 So you can't mock him anymore. You can't say that 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:10.000 he didn't know what he was talking about. 0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.920 You didn't He knew his enemy, he knew the people 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:14.759 and the extent to which they were going after him. 0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:18.520 And I will be very interested in I think we've 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:19.279 talked a little bit. 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:20.480 I've been listening to your coverage. 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.920 I think it was fantastic about how the media here 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.440 in the US is playing it. It's odd that you, 0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.719 a foreign entity, a foreign media outlet, is taking this 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.759 more seriously than our own media here in terms of 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.399 fully recognizing it that it's an assassination attempt. I will 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:41.240 be further interested to see how our democratic leaders here 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:44.719 in America respond to this. Do they try to turn 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:48.280 it into a policy cause where they talk about gundom control, 0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:51.560 or do they express sympathy for him and denounce the shooter. 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.520 I will be really interested because I think that the 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.560 Democrats are going to try to use this as an 0:34:56.600 --> 0:35:00.960 opportunity for themselves, a which is horrible, but be shortsighted. 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:05.160 And Sean and Sean, We've also seen examples of the 0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.600 left wing media there, and I repeat myself, the media 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:12.400 there in the States coming out with nonsense like, uh, 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.800 you know, Donald Trump fell over and at a rally, 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.959 and Caroline, you've got another one for us. 0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:19.160 Well. 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:23.080 The Washington Post reported the story with the headline Trump 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:28.040 escorted away after loud noises at Pennsylvania rally. 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.120 I you know what I I I actually hope I'm 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.279 glad you're telling me this, because I'm gonna I'm going 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:37.120 to start looking capturing and cataloging these this is insane 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.320 fell down after a loud noise. I think the problem, 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:43.040 Caroline is that they're trying to figure out a way 0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.960 to equivocate what Trump just did after being shot and 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:49.000 Joe Biden falling down the stairs. They want to say, 0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:53.719 see they both fall down. I think that that's the 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.239 truth in the idea is how do we equivocate this? 0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:59.520 Yeah, Now, Sean, I want to I want to ask 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.520 you out what this means for American society as a whole. Now, 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:06.799 I've always feared that the as James referred to, the 0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.680 temperature of the debate in this election and the last one, 0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:14.319 it just seems to rampoping up, you know, civil war 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:18.120 in America? Riots, What's what's going to happen? What lies ahead? 0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:23.920 Because you don't start shooting presidential candidates unless the temperature 0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:27.520 is way beyond reasonable and rational and has entered a 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:31.360 pretty serious social unease. 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:34.719 Well, you know, a few minutes ago I made the 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:38.160 comment that I've never believed that violence is an acceptable 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.760 way of solving our political differences in America, frankly anywhere, 0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:43.839 and I hope that we continue that. It's been those 0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:45.640 folks on the left. You think about it, after the 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:49.960 BLM riots where they ran around and deface statues, They 0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:54.960 vandalized buildings and monuments and statues and physically assaulted people. 0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:59.319 I would hope that everybody today takes a big step back, 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:03.959 and I think that your coverage earlier really illuminated what's 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:05.759 been going on on the left. They get away with 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:09.839 this language where they talk about dictatorships, threats to democracy, 0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:13.240 and if you think about it, if you're a big supporter. 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:16.040 We saw this with Steve Scalice, the shooter, the Bernie 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.480 Sanders supporter that went after him and those other members of. 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:20.920 Congress on the Republican side. He thought that he was 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:23.880 exacting their will. He thought, Wow, you are a threat. 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:24.759 I'll take you out. 0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:26.920 And the big question that's going to come in the 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:29.280 hours to come is who is the shooter? 0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:30.560 What motivated them? 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.120 I can't, by any means, think that a Trump supporter 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:34.400 is going to shoot someone they like. 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:36.359 It's pretty obvious, you know. 0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:40.000 I think if just common sense where this person whoever 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.520 shot the president and these other innocent. 0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:44.680 People came from. 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:47.480 But the big, you know, the issue is is that 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.040 this is not something that is ever going to be acceptable. 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:53.880 And I hope that it's further recognition that the left 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:55.359 needs to watch its rhetoric too. 0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.960 Swan Spine, so fantastic, Thanks so much for coming here 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:02.520 on outside as and chatting to us. What an extraordinary day, 0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.960 and thank you so much for your insights and perception. There. 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:10.680 That was Shaw and Spicer there from the States. Caroline, 0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:15.680 you've been. You've had some social media comment from Scott Morrison. 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:19.120 Well, were tributes, and I guess tributes that's usually when 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:23.280 someone's actually killed. But this is what's happened here. Scott Morrison, 0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:26.879 the former Prime Minister of Australia, has already put out 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.200 a post on x He says sad and shocked and 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.800 appalled at the attempted assassination of President Trump. 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:36.680 Prayers for him and his family today, as. 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.319 Well as all those who put their own lives at 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:43.120 risk to protect those in public life. Prayers also for 0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.840 America and it's people, a great democracy. 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.560 And a great French ault. 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.480 Well that's absolutely right, Scott Morrison. Now let's hear from 0:38:56.520 --> 0:39:00.600 someone who's actually at the rally. This this interview took 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:02.120 place only a few minutes ago. Have a listen. 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.960 What did you see, sir? I heard the shots. 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.120 I thought it was Star characters to begin with. 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:12.840 Somebody over there was screaming, he's been shot. 0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:13.560 He's been shot. 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:15.319 So I made my way over. 0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:18.240 I said, I'm an emergency department physician. 0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:19.799 Let me help you. 0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:21.719 The guy had spun around. 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:23.160 Was jammed between the benches. 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:24.440 He had a headshot. 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:27.640 Here, there's lots of blood and he had brain matter. 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.720 So I got him. 0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:33.719 Here's a helicopter coming in to get him. 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.520 So I got people there, really helpful. 0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:42.879 I got then the CPR bit chest impressions as well 0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:43.680 as a brief. 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:48.480 Form horrific, James, I mean, what more can you say 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:51.440 about what we've just seen here? This is apparently an 0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:55.840 attempted assassination of somebody who was going to be, or 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.120 is likely to be now almost surely likely to be 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.319 now the next president of the unice States. This is 0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:05.400 political violence, as far as we can tell. We you know, 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:09.000 will know more about the shooter, but at this point 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:12.000 the only thing that we can say is that this 0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:17.960 was this rowan in Caroline. This was the real attempt 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:23.960 on American democracy. And I think everybody needs to remember this. 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:28.120 You know, for years now, for years we have been 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:31.000 told that Donald Trump is. 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:32.280 The threat to American democracy. 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.759 That the right is the threat to American democracy, that 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:38.520 they're the ones who want to bring Putin style tactics 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:41.160 to American politics, that they're the ones who want to 0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:45.120 behave like dictators and authoritarians. Well, you know what, I 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.880 am sorry, But when you have a situation where a 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:52.680 political candidate is there's an attempt on their life, and 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:54.919 if this turns out to be, and there's no reason 0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:57.959 to think, because it's the most likely explanation right now, 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:03.000 that this was some sort of politic motivated assassination attempt here, 0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:07.360 that this is political violence of the worst sort, that 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:11.560 is an attempt to undermine and interfere with the American 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:17.040 democratic process. And this is absolutely unacceptable. We have already 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:20.000 seen on the left side of politics in the last 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:23.480 three or four weeks, the attempt to remove a sitting 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:26.680 president through getting him to resign because of his horrendous 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:31.319 debate performance that is in many ways in itself rather undemocratic, 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:34.040 because he should stand for election at the next election 0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:37.520 and be dispatched by the voting booth. But this is 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:41.640 a million times worse. But it is this is the 0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:46.800 denu man of years and years and years of demonization 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:51.600 of the right and of the left that just seems 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:56.600 to in some quarters of it really celebrate violence. I'm 0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:58.560 sorry to say that, but that is just simply the truth. 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:02.680 It's such a shocking incident, but I in some respects, 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:04.719 I don't think any of us are all that surprise, 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:10.040 because this seemed like it was an inevitable outcome from 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:12.400 all the rhetoric that James is talking about. 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.319 You know, Biden himself, as we. 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:18.200 Pointed out earlier, said it's time to put Trump in 0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:19.640 the bull's eye only day. 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.680 You know, that's deliberate, that's disgraceful. We've got a reaction 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.320 here from Nigel Farage, who of course is a great 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:30.400 friend of Donald Trump's, and of course Nigel frag did 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:34.040 brilliantly in the recent elections. Caroline's going to read it out. 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:39.200 Yeah, so Nigel Farage, He's said on x mainstream media 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:43.680 have spread a narrative of hatred against my friend Donald Trump. 0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:47.600 I hope they are proud of themselves disgusting people, and 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:48.640 that's exactly what we were. 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:52.440 I think it's also worth noting, isn't it, James? The 0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:56.560 American people, all the assassination attempts, whether it's Lincoln Kennedy, Martin, 0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.799 Luther King, the other Kennedy, Reagan. They always go after 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:02.880 the guy. Well, I always got off to the very best. 0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:04.840 And now Trump joins that pantheon. 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.560 This is very much a Teddy Roosevelt moment. You know, 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:12.359 Teddy Roosevelt, he was shocked by an assassin and he 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:16.880 prepay very much in the same sort of manner. Trump 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.880 is really embracing I think the legacy of Teddy Roosevelt 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:22.000 right here. But I want to show also, you know, 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:26.360 just on this overheated rhetoric thing. You know, I remember 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:28.640 in twenty twenty being in the United States and being 0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:32.160 in New York for that presidential election when Joe Biden 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:35.239 won that election and defeated Donald Trump. But I was 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:38.919 in a shop in Soho in Lower Manhattan, and all 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:40.799 up and down Fifth Avenue and all up and down 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.360 Madison Avenue and all around Soho and all of the 0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:46.840 shopping districts, they were putting plywood over the windows. And 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:48.839 I said to it, And I said to this guy, 0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:50.759 I said, so, what's what's the deal? 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:51.520 Playing dumb? 0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:54.239 I said, what's the deal with all the wood over 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:56.040 the windows and everything? And this is two or three 0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.360 days before the election, and he just smiled, laughed and 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:01.319 shook his head and said, just in case the wrong 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:05.319 guy wins, because they knew that if Trump won there 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:07.279 would be violent right. But I want to show just 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.280 if we could show this from the New Republic magazine. 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:13.040 Somebody we were speaking to a moment ago referenced this 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:17.839 cover that they ran just days ago. And again, this 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:22.279 is Donald Trump, American fascist made up to look like 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.239 Adolph Hitler and unhinged. 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.759 James, if you're unhinged or actually believe all the nonsense, 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.960 you know you're not desperately bright individual. Now we don't 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:34.680 know who the shooter is. The shooter apparently is dead. 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:39.640 You know, if you're going to see this endless, endless, 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:45.680 as James says, Caroline, assault on your senses that Donald 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:48.120 Trump is such an evil person. He's the modern Hitler 0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.960 is in a destroyed democracy. If you're a slightly dim 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:55.239 character who's been marinated in this garbage for years on end, 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:57.319 well then maybe you will go out and do this. 0:44:57.360 --> 0:44:59.359 And this is what the Left have been hoping. They've 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:02.480 tried them. They themselves have tried every trick in the 0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:07.200 book to stop Donald Trump. Legal avenues, fake legal avenues, 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:11.200 I would say, fake certain aspects to do the last election. 0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:15.400 They've had, fortifying elections, all of that, and finally a 0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:18.040 bullet comes Donald Trump's way and as Caroline was just 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.080 saying no and is surprised, Let's have here from another 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:25.080 person who was at that rally. This assassination attempt took 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:27.799 place just over an hour ago. Let's sit here from 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:29.439 one of the other people who was there. 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:31.840 Well, we were basically standing. 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:32.360 There was a. 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.720 Trump campaign people at the tent right there on the corner, 0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:42.279 and we kind of went all together towards where he 0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:45.640 was speaking as place as you could get. And one 0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:48.200 of the kids was really tall. So my wife's like, hey, 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:50.840 can you take this, you know, and get me a 0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.920 picture of it real close? And next thing, you know, 0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:56.000 as soon as he pointed the I'm sorry. As soon 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.359 as he pointed the camera, all hell broke loose. 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:02.279 Walk me through how many shots or pops rather you 0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:04.640 heard and what you were thinking? I mean, were you 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:06.400 afraid for your safety or here with your family? 0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:09.480 I just wanted everybody to be calm and don't panic, 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.800 you know, because they're not aiming for us, you know 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:13.239 what I mean. 0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:18.640 Wow, Well, let's hear now from John fund who, of 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:20.439 course you when I was a regular on the must 0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:24.200 watch every Friday night US Report. John, great to have 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:28.120 you here. James is here as well. Your reaction to 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:32.560 this assassination attempt on Donald Trump. The assassin apparently is dead, 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:37.400 another individual is dead. What's how's America reacting. 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:37.560 John. 0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:43.200 Well, America was not happy with this presidential election already 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:47.000 for a variety of reasons. This just descends further into 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:50.120 chaos for us. It is a bad image for the 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.680 rest of the world. And I certainly agree with what 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.000 James and others have said though about the need to 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:58.200 lower the political rhetoric. Let me just give you a 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:02.360 recounting of the incidents of the last few years. We 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:07.000 had that fellow who shot Republican leader Steve Scalise at 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:11.440 a baseball practice game. He was a Bernie Sanders supporter. 0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:17.920 We had Floyd Lee Corkins, who was an avid MSNBC 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:21.400 viewer and left wing activist who tried to kill several 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:24.040 people of a conservative group called the Family Research Council. 0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:27.440 With James Lee Hodgkinson, who was arrested for plotting the 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:30.719 assassination of several conservative members of Congress. We had a 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.960 gentleman who was arrested for plotting the assassination of Supreme 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:37.560 Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who was a Trump appointee. I 0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:41.319 only mentioned this not to say that political violence is 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:43.879 on one side of the spectrum of the other. As 0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:46.600 has been pointed out, there are right wing koops out there, 0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:50.640 and we should deplore it from whatever direction it comes. 0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:54.719 But in this kind of environment, having the kind of 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:59.799 overheated rhetoric that has been referenced where people talk about 0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:03.200 putting bull's eyes on people, people saying that someone is 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:05.680 a dictator, and what do you do with dictators, Well, 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:07.880 a dictator means you can't vote them out. Therefore you 0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:10.840 have to take other means to get rid of them. 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:15.640 This is a wake up call for the country to 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:20.160 have a debate, not about gun control, not about anything else, 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:24.360 but about are we going to have a civil, principal 0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:27.880 election about the issues or is it going to descend 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:31.920 further into overheated rhetoric that frankly, the people who use 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:33.880 it on television don't even believe it. 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:35.960 But I don't even believe it. 0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:41.160 It's pure demogosory, and I think it's time for all 0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:43.160 of us to take a breath, whether we're on the 0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.200 right or the left, and say, let's have a different 0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:49.240 election for the next four months and not an election 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:52.239 that descends into puerile propaganda. 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:56.480 Jen So John here, I'm just going to go to 0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:00.000 some live footage here from the from the scene here, 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:04.279 But I'm hearing unconfirmed reports that there's footage of a 0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:06.640 shooter from a roof of a nearby building. So we're 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:09.839 waiting to find out more confirmation on whether or not 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:10.880 that was indeed the shooter. 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:14.280 Will bring more on that in a moment. But Barack Obama. 0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.400 Has tweeted moments ago, and I want to ask you 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:19.360 about this because he tweeted moments ago that there's absolutely 0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:22.279 no place for political violence in our democracy. Now that's 0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:25.680 Barack Obama, the same guy whose entire rhetoric for his 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:28.560 entire political career has been saying things like, you know, 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:31.280 get in their faces and punch back twice as hard. 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:37.000 This sort of movement to repivot away from the you know, 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:39.520 rather aggressive, shall we say, rhetoric that so many on 0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:43.640 the left have used for years and years. This strikes me, frankly, John, 0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:46.320 as hypocrisy personified. 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:53.200 I think again, everyone whether they're in a high position 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.200 in politics, or just someone on the street, but certainly 0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:59.680 everyone who appears on television should take a deep breath 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:03.799 and lower the temperature and lower the rhetoric. Sadly, I 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:05.799 think the campaign from here on out is going to 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:07.239 be different in a significant way. 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:09.360 If it's true. 0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:11.240 That one of these shots was fired from a rooftop, 0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:14.040 that makes the job of the Secret Service very, very 0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:18.080 difficult for rallies like this. We may see future Trump 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:21.840 rallies either canceled or maybe there'll be some kind of 0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:27.719 glass apparatus placed over him that's with bulletproof glass, so 0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:30.160 he speaks from as if he's in some kind of 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:34.759 a chamber. It's going to be a different campaign from 0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:37.080 here on out, that's for sure. And if I were 0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:41.719 Donald Trump, I know he doesn't want to do it, 0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:44.000 but I would limit my appearances for the next little 0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:47.120 bit while the Secret Service has a complete review of 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:48.880 its procedures and how this happened. 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:55.080 Caroline, we had rumors on social media. 0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:58.759 I haven't seen it confirmed by a reputable source yet, 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:01.800 but there certainly is that of a suspect that is 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:05.120 circulating on social media that is associated with. 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:07.120 A political group. 0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:10.880 I won't put any names to air yet because we 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:12.640 don't have it confirmed. 0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:15.680 Politically, making no surprises who the political group is an 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:17.440 extreme left wing. 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:20.200 Out Yeah, look, it hasn't been confirmed yet, and so 0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:22.319 I think we should be very careful here, but no 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:26.640 doubt within the next few minutes, if there's already names 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:31.080 and there's videos of this particular person that apparently video 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:35.320 that he made shortly before this, by all accounts, looks 0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:39.960 like an attempted assassination on president, the former president Donald Trump. 0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:44.600 We'll know the details of that very shortly, but I 0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:45.640 you know, just. 0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:47.800 Get we will keep you up to date here and 0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:50.080 all the breaking news that is happening. There have been 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:52.680 reactions from all sorts of different people around the world. 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:55.200 Obviously, here we go. 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:59.959 This is live now, and this is we can see. 0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:02.319 This is at the scene of the rally where there 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:07.640 was an attempted assassination attempt on Donald Trump only just 0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:13.160 over an hour ago. Donald Trump is safe and well, 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.719 but they are now talking about who the shooter is. 0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:21.279 One shooter is dead, one other tragically, one other attendee 0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:25.840 at the rally, a Donald Trump supporter, was also killed. 0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:31.839 Let's have a listening again to the actual incidence. Quite funny. 0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:33.640 We've got the sound now and you actually hear Donald 0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:36.640 Trump saying, Hey, I've got to grab my shoes, which 0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:40.520 is fantastic. Donald Trump, as he was being assassinated, has 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:42.680 got to make sure he's properly dressed for on the 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:43.840 way out. Let's have a listen. 0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:46.320 Look at what happened. 0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:06.400 Yeah, let me get sorry, I got to. 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:10.200 Get Let me get so we're gonna. 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:16.759 Let me. 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:35.880 Also, he was. 0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:36.359 On the bot. 0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:58.640 Okay, So the reports are Donald Trump is now safe. 0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:02.279 He's actually tweeting on his own social media that he 0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:06.840 is fine, and obviously his thoughts and sympathies are with 0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:11.320 the person who died. The shooter has died, but also 0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:15.960 an attendee at the rally was killed by a bullet, 0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:22.399 which is a tragedy in itself. John, what will be 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:27.480 the ramifications for Joe Biden? I mean, all the emphasis 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:30.520 have been on Joe Biden about you know, whether he 0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:33.000 can string a sentence together or whatever, But now this 0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:37.240 lifts the entire election into a very different area. 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:38.759 What does this mean? 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:42.840 Will this kind of speed up the dimease of Joe 0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:45.960 Biden or will it cement him into position? 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:48.280 Well? 0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:52.400 I think it's incumbent upon the President of the United 0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:56.839 States in a situation like this, if the shooter has 0:54:56.920 --> 0:55:01.680 the associations that have been mentioned, Obviously you don't want 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:04.960 to draw a broad brush, but the President of the 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.200 United States should make a clear statement not just that 0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:12.760 political violence is unacceptable, but that the tenor and tone 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:15.520 and rhetoric of this campaign has to go to a 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:21.920 new level, a less confrontational level, without words like bull'seye, 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:27.080 without portraits of Adolf Hitler superimposed upon Donald Trump. And 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:30.279 the President should make it clear to his supporters and 0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:32.880 to everyone in the country that we have to have 0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:37.400 a different kind of campaign starting right now till November. 0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:40.759 John fun thanks so much for being with us on 0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:44.560 this extraordinary morning. I thank you for taking the time 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:47.319 to come on Outsiders, and we wish America all the 0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:50.640 best because there's some tough, very tough times and days 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:53.680 lie ahead. John Fund the political commentator. You can hear 0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:56.759 him with James Morrow every Friday or as Fridays there 0:55:56.800 --> 0:56:00.960 on Sky News Australia. Well, we've had a response from 0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:03.920 Anthony Alberizi who has put out a response here. It 0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:07.359 is on Twitter. Prime Minister of Australia who says there 0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:10.399 is no place for violence in the democratic process. I'm 0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:16.280 relieved to hear reporting that former President Trump is now safe. 0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:22.080 Thank you Prime Minister Rabansi for that, Caroline. 0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:27.120 You know what's particularly disturbing I'm looking online at all 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:29.680 the coverage of this and seeing what people are saying 0:56:29.719 --> 0:56:33.560 and already trending on X is this idea that this 0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:36.279 entire incident was stayed. 0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:39.640 Putting out about. 0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:44.279 This James surprise, what a surprise of horses people, And 0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:46.520 again we you know, and again let us just be 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:48.799 really clear. We do not know who did it. We 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:51.680 don't know who's responsible. When we do have that Confron, 0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:54.360 we will bring that to you. But the way that 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:57.520 immediately and this started, I saw this, Caroline, as soon 0:56:57.560 --> 0:56:59.839 as I started tweeting about this incident before we went 0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:02.560 on there people coming back in my replies and say, oh, 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:04.479 this was all set up, This is a false flag, 0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:06.080 this is some sort of thing to make it look, 0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:08.920 you know, make Trump look like a victim. And I mean, 0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:12.880 that's just utterly disgraceful. But it's no more disgraceful really 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:16.440 than so much of what you know, we're seeing from 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:18.520 so much of the press on this I'm waiting for 0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:21.240 somebody to say that Trump's calls to fight were an 0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:22.280 incitement to violence. 0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:23.840 I mean, that's where that is. 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:29.800 How Let's frame the new headlines, Caroline, you're an experienced journalist. 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:33.880 Hat's frame the headlines? So Donald Trump trips over and 0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:38.280 stumbled an incodent after loud noise and then calls on 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:40.680 the on people to fight, fight, fight? 0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:42.000 Is that happens? 0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:44.880 In fact, the Babylon b has got a great headline. 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:47.200 They've mobbed up. I don't know if we can show 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:47.480 it here. 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:50.120 We can laugh about this because Trump is all right, 0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:53.200 but you know they put the headline on a clumsy 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:58.920 Trump hits head on bullet. 0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:02.720 Now let's go to the you know, you've got to 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:05.960 have a bit of humor, black humor in these times. 0:58:06.000 --> 0:58:09.000 But I'm sure Donald Trump would appreciate it. Let's go 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:11.640 to the mayor who was there at the Trump rally 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:16.320 just over an hour ago when an assassin assassination attempt 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:19.120 was made on former President Donald Trump. Is the mayor? 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:22.160 Tell me you were up on the stage, you were 0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:23.440 near the former president. 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:24.160 What happened? 0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:26.840 I was actually with the president about fifteen twenty minutes 0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:30.920 before that. That awful thing occurred, and my wife and 0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:34.160 I and my family were seated front row, just left 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:37.000 of stage and obviously. 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:37.440 A complete one to eighty. 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.040 You know, we all came in here with with smiles 0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:44.840 and hope for the future, and what's happened today, I'm speechless. 0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:46.200 Over All I can think of right now is that 0:58:46.240 --> 0:58:49.080 this is representative of the vitriol and the hate that 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:51.440 a lot of people in the United States seem to 0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:54.400 have for people with conservative ideals and principles behind them. 0:58:54.480 --> 0:58:56.120 And I'm just sorry that it's come to that, and 0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:57.920 I'm sorry that it's coming here in Butler County. 0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:00.840 Where were you standing when the former president ended up 0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:03.080 hitting the ground there right behind. 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:04.000 That podies Donald's there. 0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:06.720 I was standing right on the on the barrier to 0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:09.520 the left of the stage, front row, And you know, 0:59:09.640 --> 0:59:12.640 at first I heard that that first crack, I started 0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:16.880 to look around. I thought couldn't possibly have been around, 0:59:17.040 --> 0:59:18.280 you know, I thought for sure it might have been 0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:20.680 a firecracker. But I looked at my wife, who's a 0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:22.600 state police officer. I pushed her down to the ground. 0:59:22.640 --> 0:59:24.760 On the second one sounded to me like it might 0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:27.480 have been a twenty two round something similar to it. 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:28.760 I asked her if she thought it sounded like a 0:59:28.800 --> 0:59:29.160 twenty two. 0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:29.760 She said yes. 0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:32.280 We just yelled for everybody to take get down on 0:59:32.320 --> 0:59:34.360 the ground and to stay down to allow the Secret 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:36.400 Service and law enforcement to do what it is they 0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:36.680 had to do. 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:38.360 We weren't really quite sure what was happening. 0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:41.760 And unfortunately, just a few feet behind me there was 0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:44.200 an unfortunate individual who lost his life to this maniac. 0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:46.640 Did you see the person who was shot? 0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:48.600 I did, I did. 0:59:48.600 --> 0:59:49.480 I did see some of that. 0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:51.520 Of course I didn't actually see the I didn't see 0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:53.200 the shot itself, but I did. 0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:55.560 So you turn around, so you push your wife down, 0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:58.200 You look around for your family, you take cover your stop. 0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.000 You see the president get back up, give that fist pot. 1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:01.840 You turn around and you see somebody in the crowd 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:02.360 had been shot. 1:00:02.680 --> 1:00:06.040 They were shot, they were on the bleachers, and it 1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:09.280 was just a really sad thing to witness, and unfortunately 1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:11.360 understand that individual lost their life. 1:00:13.720 --> 1:00:16.560 Well, if you've just joined us, we'll just recaps. So 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:18.919 just over an hour ago, an hour and a half ago, 1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:23.280 there was an assassination attempt on former president and presidential 1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:27.080 candidate Donald Trump at a Donald Trump rally in Pennsylvania. 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:32.000 It was Saturday afternoon American time. It appears that a 1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:35.480 bullet skimmed Donald Trump, hid him just behind the ear 1:00:35.600 --> 1:00:37.760 or grazed his ear. There was blood across his ear. 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:41.439 He ducked down, the Secret Service piled on top of him. 1:00:42.080 --> 1:00:43.840 We'll have a look at it in a second exactly 1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:47.720 what happened. What we now know is that the shooter 1:00:48.080 --> 1:00:56.400 was then killed and an individual sadly tragically a fan there. 1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:56.920 At the. 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:02.720 Watching the Trump. Trump's supporter is reported to have been killed, 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:05.800 along with the reports that the shooter was killed, so 1:01:05.840 --> 1:01:08.560 we can't verify that, but those are the current reports. 1:01:09.240 --> 1:01:14.480 Donald Trump himself went to hospital nearby and has since 1:01:15.200 --> 1:01:18.400 reported on social media that he is fine. As he 1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:22.880 was escorted from the stage by the Secret Service, he 1:01:23.440 --> 1:01:28.560 continually pumped his fist in the air and yelled out defiantly, 1:01:28.880 --> 1:01:34.560 fight Fight. The crowd were shocked and ducked for cover. 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:37.960 This is all that's happened, and since then we've had 1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:41.640 reports small around the world, different people obviously offering their 1:01:41.960 --> 1:01:45.840 sympathy and offering their theories on. 1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:47.880 Where to from here. 1:01:48.080 --> 1:01:50.080 We'll keep you for the next For the rest of 1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:52.280 the day, but certainly here on Outsiders for the next hour, 1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:55.440 we'll be talking to more people about exactly what has happened. 1:01:55.880 --> 1:01:58.080 Let's just have a quick look now at the very 1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:02.240 moment of the assassination tempt on Donald Trump just over 1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:02.880 an hour ago. 1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:05.480 Look at what happened. 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:14.200 Let me. 1:02:22.920 --> 1:02:25.640 Get got you, sir, I got to. 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:26.560 Get let me get my. 1:02:26.520 --> 1:02:31.840 Shoes, so we gotta let me go. 1:02:35.360 --> 1:03:17.680 Let's tell me, well, you're watching that extraordinary moment that 1:03:17.800 --> 1:03:20.560 happened just about an hour and a half ago in 1:03:20.640 --> 1:03:24.960 the US, an assassination attempt on the former president Donald Trump. 1:03:25.320 --> 1:03:27.920 And we finally heard from the current. 1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:31.720 President, Joe Biden about ninety minutes after this happened. He 1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:35.280 posted on excess statement, I have been briefed on the 1:03:35.320 --> 1:03:39.520 shooting at Donald Trump's rally in Pennsylvania. I'm grateful to 1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:42.960 hear that he's safe and doing well. I'm praying for 1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:45.480 him and his family and for all those who were 1:03:45.520 --> 1:03:49.400 at the rally as we await further information. Jill and 1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:52.000 I are grateful to the Secret Service for getting him 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:55.440 to safety. There's no place for this kind of violence 1:03:55.480 --> 1:03:59.440 in America. We must unite as one nation to condemn it. 1:03:59.600 --> 1:04:02.160 Rowan I mean, it took a long time for this 1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:04.720 statement to come out. We had already heard from the 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:07.520 former president Barack Obama, we heard from the former Prime 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:11.800 Minister Scott Morrison, Nigel Farash, many other leaders political leaders 1:04:11.840 --> 1:04:16.000 around the world had reacted to this historical James. 1:04:16.040 --> 1:04:17.760 I imagine the Biden. 1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:19.360 Team are going through his tweets, going, let's get rid 1:04:19.400 --> 1:04:24.000 of all those cross hairs in the bullseye tweets. 1:04:24.120 --> 1:04:25.400 I mean, honestly, and. 1:04:25.520 --> 1:04:29.520 Again, I'm sorry, and you know, you want to expect 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:33.000 the best from the president, no matter what party they are, 1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:37.000 what their politics are, even if you wildly disagree with them. 1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:40.840 But I noticed a little hit of equivocation there at 1:04:40.880 --> 1:04:44.919 the end this kind of political violence. You know, it's 1:04:44.960 --> 1:04:49.200 not a uniform condemnation of all political violence, which I 1:04:49.240 --> 1:04:53.880 think we all condemn all political violence in a democracy. 1:04:54.200 --> 1:04:58.440 And this, you know, equivocation has to be seen as 1:04:58.560 --> 1:05:02.720 coming forty eight hours after Joe Biden or remember his 1:05:02.960 --> 1:05:05.520 tweet his team because he's not there with that fame 1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:10.720 like Donald Trump hitting the socials but saying America wants 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:14.120 a president, America doesn't want a dictator. So the implication 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:19.440 again calling Donald Trump beyond the pale, you know, a dictator. 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:23.200 And again this has been the nature of the rhetoric, 1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:25.480 not just about Trump. You know, we were talking earlier 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:29.800 about Steve Scalise and many congressmen who were shot before 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:33.040 a congressional baseball game at their practice a number of 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:35.760 years ago. You know, this was by a Bernie bro 1:05:35.960 --> 1:05:38.640 that was confirmed to be by somebody who was a 1:05:38.680 --> 1:05:41.840 Bernie Sanders supporter, and they wanted to take out a 1:05:41.920 --> 1:05:45.120 large number of people in the Republican caucus. And thankfully 1:05:45.280 --> 1:05:49.240 this person was a very very poor shot. But you know, 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:51.840 this is the sort of thing we have seen political 1:05:52.000 --> 1:05:54.960 violence from the left four years, if not decades. And 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:56.840 we also see by the way, you know, it's not 1:05:56.880 --> 1:06:00.960 just in the United States, other countries. Bolsonaro in Brazil 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:04.320 there was a tempt on his life and he is 1:06:04.320 --> 1:06:06.880 always called far right. And again it's this whole pushing 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:09.720 of people who are on the right of politics beyond 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:12.720 the pale and for somebody who has you know, as 1:06:12.720 --> 1:06:16.040 you said before, rowand potentially you know, a state that's 1:06:16.120 --> 1:06:19.600 not sharing our common reality that can be enough to 1:06:19.640 --> 1:06:22.680 trigger trigger bad things. 1:06:23.160 --> 1:06:25.440 Yeah, and I like the fact you mentioned there that 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:29.040 phrase far right James, because it is disgraceful in the 1:06:29.080 --> 1:06:31.360 way that, of course there are far right individuals, but 1:06:31.400 --> 1:06:35.960 the way that phrase is labeled and thrown at basically anybody. 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:35.760 Who is. 1:06:37.480 --> 1:06:40.200 Anything other than hard left, you can be sent to 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:42.960 right and you're far right these days, and that pushes 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:46.560 all conservatives into this extremist bucket. And it is a 1:06:46.560 --> 1:06:50.800 disgrace and it is feeding into events I imagine, such 1:06:50.840 --> 1:06:53.480 as we saw earlier today. Let's go to analyse Nilssen. 1:06:53.560 --> 1:06:59.040 Now there, Sky News, Australia's correspondent in America. Analyse. Thanks 1:06:59.080 --> 1:07:02.360 for coming on. It's just nearly two hours now, an 1:07:02.400 --> 1:07:06.440 hour and a half plus since this is attempted assassination. 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:08.400 Of Donald Trump. 1:07:09.320 --> 1:07:10.880 What can you tell us that has happened in the 1:07:10.920 --> 1:07:12.920 last nineteen minutes, Analise. 1:07:15.480 --> 1:07:18.000 Well, in the last ninety minutes, we've seen statements come 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:21.800 out from across the board of people condemning what's happened 1:07:21.800 --> 1:07:25.919 in Pennsylvania and across the political spectrum. This is going 1:07:25.960 --> 1:07:28.640 to completely reframe the race. But what we've been waiting 1:07:28.640 --> 1:07:31.560 for is a statement from Joe Biden. We've seen he's 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:33.360 put out that statement you read a short time ago. 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:35.000 But I can tell you that there's now been a 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:37.080 notice sent to the White House Press pool saying that 1:07:37.080 --> 1:07:40.880 he will deliver remarks to the traveling press pool from 1:07:40.920 --> 1:07:45.280 Rehoboth Beach in Delaware in They've just said shortly, so 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:47.320 that could be at any moment. The pressure is on 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:50.800 for him to address this in person. This is an 1:07:50.840 --> 1:07:54.760 assassination attempt on his political rival in this campaign, and 1:07:54.800 --> 1:07:58.640 it needs to be condemned right now. And that's the 1:07:58.800 --> 1:08:01.920 sense coming from people across the political spectrum that they 1:08:01.960 --> 1:08:04.440 want to see their presidents step in at this moment. 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:05.720 We've seen this reporting. 1:08:06.360 --> 1:08:09.840 BBC's interviewed and eye witness to the shooting saying that 1:08:09.880 --> 1:08:12.400 it was someone who crawled up on a rooftop near 1:08:13.000 --> 1:08:14.120 the venue. 1:08:14.200 --> 1:08:16.320 This is going to completely up end. 1:08:16.320 --> 1:08:19.160 How the Secret Service does these kind of things, because 1:08:19.200 --> 1:08:23.760 there's no reasonable circumstance where a rooftop that was vulnerable 1:08:23.800 --> 1:08:28.240 to that kind of use from someone who has ill 1:08:28.240 --> 1:08:32.360 intent towards the president should be allowed to have anyone 1:08:32.400 --> 1:08:33.280 anyone near it. 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:35.000 I've been to plenty of these events. 1:08:35.160 --> 1:08:38.679 Generally, when you're standing in the ground, any rooftop within eyesight, 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:41.759 you can see a sniper set up on those roofs 1:08:41.840 --> 1:08:44.439 because they take this quite seriously, and today is the 1:08:44.520 --> 1:08:47.880 exact reason why there are people out there that wish 1:08:47.920 --> 1:08:48.680 Donald Trump ill. 1:08:48.760 --> 1:08:50.439 There are people out there that wish him dead. 1:08:50.640 --> 1:08:54.400 And this would have been a catastrophe for this election 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:57.200 campaign for America if this would have been any worse 1:08:57.680 --> 1:09:00.880 than what was the mark on his ear. But this 1:09:00.960 --> 1:09:03.519 is going to completely reframe the race. This is now 1:09:04.160 --> 1:09:07.160 going to vindicate many of Donald Trump's supporters who say 1:09:07.200 --> 1:09:09.880 that everyone is out to get him, that he doesn't 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:12.800 deserve the legal cases against him, and it's just people 1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:15.160 who wish him ill because they have their own ill 1:09:15.200 --> 1:09:17.680 intent that they want to reac on their lives. Now, 1:09:17.720 --> 1:09:19.599 Donald Trump's going to be walking around with a piece 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:21.400 of his ear missing for the rest of this election 1:09:21.600 --> 1:09:24.680 campaign saying I have the evidence that is exactly what 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:25.320 is happening. 1:09:25.640 --> 1:09:28.080 So this is a critical moment for Joe Biden as. 1:09:27.920 --> 1:09:33.200 His campaign comes to a crashing end in many aspects 1:09:33.320 --> 1:09:35.800 because of the issue since the debate, the loss of 1:09:35.800 --> 1:09:38.280 support within his own party and his own allies coming 1:09:38.360 --> 1:09:42.240 out and criticizing his ability to continue to now have 1:09:42.439 --> 1:09:45.479 this happen. At this point, this is a moment for 1:09:45.560 --> 1:09:48.120 Joe Biden not to just reframe his campaign, but to 1:09:48.200 --> 1:09:50.280 speak up as the president of the United States of 1:09:50.320 --> 1:09:52.759 America for people who are going to be really scared 1:09:52.760 --> 1:09:53.559 about what's going. 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:56.120 To happen in the next few months after what's happened today. 1:09:56.840 --> 1:09:59.519 And Alicia gave me a mental image of Donald Trump's 1:09:59.600 --> 1:10:01.920 van god Off with the kind of bandage over his 1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:05.719 ear wandering around. I think that that's something we can 1:10:06.439 --> 1:10:09.679 look forward to. But listen, Analys, you're an expert on 1:10:09.960 --> 1:10:13.280 the US media in all it's the best and the 1:10:13.280 --> 1:10:17.320 worst of it is. We've already Caroline has already given 1:10:17.400 --> 1:10:20.960 us a few examples of how the left wing media 1:10:21.840 --> 1:10:26.280 downplaying this incident and trying to trivialize it. Will this 1:10:26.520 --> 1:10:30.599 drive the you know, should Biden stay or go? Thing 1:10:30.800 --> 1:10:33.639 off the front pages? Is that what's going to happen 1:10:33.680 --> 1:10:36.640 in the media. What do you foresee happening in the 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:39.160 American media? How is it this going to play out 1:10:39.240 --> 1:10:40.320 over the next few days. 1:10:43.560 --> 1:10:43.760 Yeah. 1:10:43.840 --> 1:10:46.439 Look, I've seen some of the initial criticism of how 1:10:46.520 --> 1:10:50.240 certain outlets have covered this as it unfolded, and I 1:10:50.280 --> 1:10:53.000 think some of that criticism is unfair. This happens minute 1:10:53.000 --> 1:10:56.080 by minute, and the risks of reporting the wrong thing 1:10:56.680 --> 1:10:58.679 can be just so severe. 1:10:59.400 --> 1:11:02.040 You have to be cautious and what you say. 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:04.320 It took a few minutes for all of us who 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:07.720 weren't at the venue to realize just how serious this was. 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:08.639 That first blush. 1:11:08.680 --> 1:11:10.360 When you watch the video, you hear the pops and 1:11:10.360 --> 1:11:13.479 you watch them bop down. And I didn't realize how 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:15.679 serious it was with the blood on his face until 1:11:15.680 --> 1:11:18.639 we started seeing those photos come through ap even. 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:19.519 Just a few minutes later. 1:11:19.680 --> 1:11:22.960 And so it's easy to screenshot a headline and say, oh, 1:11:22.960 --> 1:11:26.080 they've mischaracterized this, they've misconstrued it. But the reality is 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:28.800 these are minute by minute things and no one was 1:11:28.840 --> 1:11:32.280 anticipating this, and it's as serious as it gets. Imagine 1:11:32.280 --> 1:11:35.160 if you went too soon and you accidentally said Donald 1:11:35.160 --> 1:11:38.600 Trump's been shot and it was something completely different. You 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:40.760 can hear the Trump supporters on the canal behind me 1:11:40.840 --> 1:11:45.960 in Milwaukee. Are you're voting Republican? So you got some 1:11:46.000 --> 1:11:48.720 Trump fans here. I don't know if they know what's 1:11:48.720 --> 1:11:50.800 happened to Donald Trump just yet. The voat's moving too 1:11:50.840 --> 1:11:53.880 fast for me to ask. But so I will defend 1:11:53.960 --> 1:11:56.280 that aspect of the media. I think what's interesting to 1:11:56.320 --> 1:11:59.800 see here, though, is the criticism that's not coming Joe 1:11:59.840 --> 1:12:00.479 by in this way. 1:12:00.600 --> 1:12:03.880 He's taken longer to respond to these then. 1:12:03.800 --> 1:12:07.600 The Australian Prime Minister, our ambassador to former presidents, and 1:12:07.680 --> 1:12:09.680 he is in the White House. We were told through 1:12:09.680 --> 1:12:12.000 the White House press pool that he was being briefed. 1:12:12.479 --> 1:12:16.040 But it doesn't take long to know that your political 1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:19.000 opponent in a very tight race has been. 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:25.320 It's taken much an It's Saturday afternoon, Joe Biden would 1:12:25.320 --> 1:12:27.439 have been having his nap. They had to wake him 1:12:27.520 --> 1:12:29.320 up first. Let's not forget that. 1:12:29.479 --> 1:12:32.400 James eight pm there, Yeah, exactly. 1:12:32.280 --> 1:12:35.120 Analise, I want to just go back to also just 1:12:35.240 --> 1:12:39.120 the incredible way in which the Republican candidate Donald Trump 1:12:39.120 --> 1:12:42.880 and Republicans in general, conservatives in general, have been demonized 1:12:42.960 --> 1:12:46.880 by high profile Democrats. Earlier I was talking about Chuck 1:12:46.920 --> 1:12:50.840 Schumer laughing off claims from the Trump camp that there 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:52.840 was in fact a risk of this exact sort of 1:12:52.920 --> 1:12:56.559 thing that appears to have happened occurring. Of Nancy Pelosi 1:12:56.720 --> 1:13:01.320 just last week called Trump an authoritarian autocrat, saying we 1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:02.479 have to win this election. 1:13:02.600 --> 1:13:04.479 This is not a normal election. 1:13:05.000 --> 1:13:07.599 I mean Obviously we don't know yet, and we will 1:13:07.600 --> 1:13:10.479 find out more about the alleged shooter down the track. 1:13:10.880 --> 1:13:15.679 But it does seem that this entire idea that Trump 1:13:15.720 --> 1:13:20.240 is so far beyond the pale, has created this climate 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:24.200 where people who who hate Trump could see, you know, 1:13:24.320 --> 1:13:30.680 any sort of means necessary to remove him. 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:33.120 And we do say this. I say this all the time. 1:13:33.160 --> 1:13:33.400 As I. 1:13:36.520 --> 1:13:41.880 Think we've got Joe Bonnes. 1:13:41.120 --> 1:13:45.599 They apparently he's doing well. I plan on talking them sutly. 1:13:45.960 --> 1:13:49.879 I hope when I get back to the telephone. Look, 1:13:50.400 --> 1:13:52.879 there's no place in America for this kind of violence. 1:13:52.960 --> 1:13:56.120 It's sick. It's sick. It's one of the reason why 1:13:56.160 --> 1:13:59.200 we have to unite this country. We cannot allow for 1:13:59.240 --> 1:14:01.960 this to be happening. We cannot be like this. We 1:14:02.000 --> 1:14:05.439 cannot condone this. And so I want to thank the 1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:08.160 Secret Service and all the agency, including the state agencies, 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:11.639 that have engaged in making sure that the people who 1:14:11.760 --> 1:14:15.479 and we have more detail to come relative to other injured, 1:14:15.479 --> 1:14:17.760 other people may be injured in the audience. I don't 1:14:17.800 --> 1:14:20.240 have all that detail, will make that available to you. 1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:23.280 I may be able to come back a little later tonight, 1:14:23.400 --> 1:14:25.519 but we'll put out a statement, if we don't, if 1:14:25.520 --> 1:14:27.400 I'm not able to get it, if it's not a 1:14:27.400 --> 1:14:30.880 comedian for you all. But the bottom line is that 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:33.760 the Trump rally is a rally that he should have 1:14:33.760 --> 1:14:36.639 been able to be conducted peacefully without any problem. 1:14:38.120 --> 1:14:38.400 Yeah. 1:14:38.520 --> 1:14:42.200 The idea that there's political violence or violence in America 1:14:42.320 --> 1:14:44.920 like this is just unheard of. It's just not appropriate, 1:14:45.160 --> 1:14:47.799 and everybody, everybody must condemn it. 1:14:47.920 --> 1:14:48.560 Everybody. 1:14:48.960 --> 1:14:51.160 I'll keep you informed, and if I am able to 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:54.240 speak to the to Donald, I'll let you know that 1:14:54.280 --> 1:14:58.160 as well. But so far, it appears he's doing well 1:14:58.600 --> 1:15:02.640 number one, number two two, that they're thoroughly investigating what 1:15:02.720 --> 1:15:05.240 happened to anyone else in the audience. I have, we 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:09.839 have some reports, but not final reports, and every agency 1:15:09.840 --> 1:15:12.880 in the federal government, and I'm going back to my 1:15:13.080 --> 1:15:16.519 phone to speak with the federal agencies that are being 1:15:16.520 --> 1:15:18.920 put together again to give me an updated prefiend as 1:15:18.960 --> 1:15:21.799 anything happened. They learning more in the last couple hours. 1:15:22.280 --> 1:15:24.439 So thank you very much, and I hope I get 1:15:24.479 --> 1:15:26.760 to speak to them tonight and I'll get back to 1:15:26.800 --> 1:15:33.200 you if I do. Okay, I don't know enough to 1:15:33.439 --> 1:15:36.720 I have an opinion, but I don't have any facts, 1:15:36.960 --> 1:15:38.800 so I want to make sure we have all the 1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:40.280 facts before I make some comment. 1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:41.080 Any more comments. 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:43.599 Thank you? 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:45.439 Was the security failing as president? 1:15:48.439 --> 1:15:52.599 Let's go to Adam Crichton, the excellent correspondent from the 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:56.559 Australian who's over there in the States. Adam, great to 1:15:56.600 --> 1:15:59.360 chat to you as always, what do you make of 1:15:59.400 --> 1:16:00.760 the last two hours. 1:16:01.960 --> 1:16:04.200 Well, obviously it's just extraordinary, and we just heard the 1:16:04.200 --> 1:16:07.559 president's remarks there, so it's I suppose worth commenting on those. 1:16:07.640 --> 1:16:09.519 I mean, firstly, I think he took too long to 1:16:09.520 --> 1:16:11.840 make a statement. I mean it was almost ninety minutes. 1:16:11.880 --> 1:16:15.679 I think the Australian Prime Minister respondents sooner than the president. 1:16:15.760 --> 1:16:17.880 So I don't think that's a particularly good look. And 1:16:17.920 --> 1:16:20.479 I think generally the reason why Joe Biden then just 1:16:20.920 --> 1:16:23.920 didn't seem very enthusiastic at all about his comments is 1:16:23.960 --> 1:16:26.439 this is just terrible for the Democrat Party narrative that 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:30.680 all the violence and all the extremism is supposedly on 1:16:30.720 --> 1:16:33.880 the right, which is obviously nonsense. And now you have 1:16:33.920 --> 1:16:36.519 a case where someone's tried to assassinate Donald Trump. Now, 1:16:36.600 --> 1:16:39.000 admittedly we don't know any of the facts about this person, 1:16:39.040 --> 1:16:42.040 yet except that they're dead. But it's quite possible that 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:45.000 they're going to be an extremist on the left. So look, 1:16:45.000 --> 1:16:46.920 I don't think it's helpful for either side to be 1:16:47.400 --> 1:16:49.479 screaming at the other side about extremism. But I just 1:16:49.560 --> 1:16:52.600 think we need to get everything in perspective. And I 1:16:52.600 --> 1:16:54.400 think the other point it's important to make too, is 1:16:54.400 --> 1:16:56.320 the US is a country of three hundred and thirty 1:16:56.320 --> 1:16:58.880 million people. That's a lot of people, and so you 1:16:58.880 --> 1:17:01.760 were always going to get prasies on both sides, and 1:17:01.800 --> 1:17:04.120 so I don't think you want to take from this that, 1:17:04.200 --> 1:17:06.479 you know, all Americans are crazy. I just think that's 1:17:06.520 --> 1:17:09.799 the wrong interpretation. I mean, of course it's a polarized country, 1:17:09.800 --> 1:17:11.320 but we don't want to, you know, we don't want 1:17:11.320 --> 1:17:13.720 to say Americans, you know, are crazy and that they 1:17:13.760 --> 1:17:15.840 try to shoot their political leaders. I just don't think 1:17:15.880 --> 1:17:17.960 that is fair at all. Of Course, some people will 1:17:18.000 --> 1:17:19.559 try to say that, but you've got to remember it's 1:17:19.560 --> 1:17:22.560 an enormous country, and even a tiny, tiny percentage of 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:24.960 an enormous number is still a large number. 1:17:26.520 --> 1:17:28.720 Adam, I wanted to go back to the statement that 1:17:28.760 --> 1:17:30.840 the President just delivered. By the way, thank you as 1:17:30.880 --> 1:17:33.280 an American for defending our honor that we are not 1:17:33.320 --> 1:17:36.759 all crazy. I do appreciate that. But in that statement, 1:17:36.800 --> 1:17:38.640 there was a couple of things that struck me. Number One, 1:17:38.680 --> 1:17:42.600 he said again this kind of violence, which seems to 1:17:42.760 --> 1:17:45.800 me to allow for some of the other violence we've 1:17:45.840 --> 1:17:47.720 seen from the left, you know, the Summer of Love 1:17:47.800 --> 1:17:50.200 riots of twenty twenty, that sort of thing. But number two, 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:54.240 just even his affect the way he presented, the way 1:17:54.320 --> 1:17:57.559 that he seemed to stumble through parts of that and say, well, 1:17:57.560 --> 1:17:59.960 and if it's too late, you know, we'll put our 1:18:00.240 --> 1:18:03.160 statement as if you know, it seems to confirm to 1:18:03.280 --> 1:18:06.720 me this idea that you know, bedtime is coming up 1:18:06.760 --> 1:18:09.080 here for the president and he'll leave it to his 1:18:09.160 --> 1:18:11.439 team to put out any further statements if we have 1:18:11.479 --> 1:18:13.880 an identity of the shooter, or if there's any sort 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:17.919 of further stuff. This seems to be just as damning 1:18:18.280 --> 1:18:22.480 for the Biden campaign and such an underlining of Trump's 1:18:22.760 --> 1:18:25.719 narrative as what we've just seen in the last couple 1:18:25.720 --> 1:18:26.200 of hours. 1:18:27.520 --> 1:18:29.120 Yeah, look, I think that's true. I think he clearly 1:18:29.120 --> 1:18:32.000 hated making those remarks, that that was very evident from 1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:34.519 his body language, and I think there's no surprise. I mean, 1:18:34.520 --> 1:18:36.040 he may be losing his mind, but he's still a 1:18:36.160 --> 1:18:40.439 very experienced politician, and he would certainly realize that they've 1:18:40.439 --> 1:18:42.439 probably lost the election because of this. I mean, there's 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:44.960 going to be a huge, a huge ground swell of 1:18:45.040 --> 1:18:47.680 sympathy I would think for Donald Trump. I mean from 1:18:47.720 --> 1:18:50.400 both sides of politics. I would say from independent voters, 1:18:50.439 --> 1:18:54.080 that's going to be a perfectly natural response, especially given 1:18:54.080 --> 1:18:56.920 the you know, the extraordinary defiance that Donald Trump showed 1:18:57.000 --> 1:18:58.840 on the spot. I mean I must say, you know, 1:18:58.880 --> 1:19:01.120 I don't think I would have pondered like that. I mean, 1:19:01.120 --> 1:19:03.920 he basically got up, he shook his fist, he was bloody, 1:19:03.920 --> 1:19:06.160 and he asked for his shooes. I mean, it's quite 1:19:06.160 --> 1:19:10.840 extraordinary stuff. You know, the imagery is amazing for the 1:19:10.880 --> 1:19:13.040 Republicans and for Donald Trump. So look, I think if 1:19:13.080 --> 1:19:16.640 there's a point where where Democrats lost the election, you know, 1:19:16.960 --> 1:19:18.760 it may not be the debate that we've talked so 1:19:18.840 --> 1:19:20.080 much about. I think it may be this. 1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:26.200 Caroline Adam, how do you, Carolin Marcus here, how do 1:19:26.280 --> 1:19:29.360 you see this playing out for the Trump campaign? I 1:19:29.360 --> 1:19:33.960 mean where we've been talking here off the show about 1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:37.320 how the campaign will already be trying to turn those images, 1:19:37.439 --> 1:19:41.360 those almost iconic images of Trump raising his fist in 1:19:41.439 --> 1:19:43.960 the air, into promotional material for him. 1:19:45.000 --> 1:19:47.080 Oh look, I think they certainly will, and I think 1:19:47.160 --> 1:19:49.040 you know that they're going to feature very heavily at 1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:51.360 the convention next week in Milwaukee, which I assume is 1:19:51.400 --> 1:19:52.000 still going to go. 1:19:51.920 --> 1:19:53.559 Ahead as planned. 1:19:53.600 --> 1:19:55.879 I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if Donald Trump himself 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:58.840 makes some sort of statement later this evening local time. 1:19:58.880 --> 1:20:01.439 I mean, that's his nature. I mean, he may or 1:20:01.439 --> 1:20:03.720 may not, but that wouldn't surprise me. 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:04.559 Yeah. 1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:07.000 Look, I think you know this is just a disaster 1:20:07.200 --> 1:20:09.280 for you know, for Democrats. I mean it really is. 1:20:09.400 --> 1:20:10.920 I mean, just like I said earlier, it just goes 1:20:10.960 --> 1:20:14.720 against their narrative of political violence on the right. I mean, 1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:17.120 he's a real tangible example of the opposite of that. 1:20:18.720 --> 1:20:22.439 And you know, it shows Trump is so kind of 1:20:22.479 --> 1:20:25.760 a vigorous still despite he's been seventy eight years old. 1:20:26.479 --> 1:20:28.840 You know, the contrast with Biden now is even more 1:20:28.840 --> 1:20:30.040 extreme than it was before. 1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:35.600 Adam Crichton from The Australian and Sky there in America, 1:20:35.680 --> 1:20:37.840 thanks so much for coming on and talking to us 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:40.519 on outsiders. Adam, it's always great to see you. What 1:20:40.640 --> 1:20:44.599 a what an extraordinary day. Let's go down to Chris Kenny, 1:20:44.600 --> 1:20:48.400 our Sky News host here in the studio. Chris, great 1:20:48.439 --> 1:20:53.160 to see you, as always, What an extraordinary morning. Those 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:56.720 of us who are keen Trump supporters have feared an 1:20:56.800 --> 1:21:01.160 event like this really for many many years. As it 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:03.840 got closer and closer to the election. I got to 1:21:03.880 --> 1:21:05.760 say that I, for one, had been getting more and 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:09.479 more nervous that such an event like this would take place. Chris, 1:21:09.800 --> 1:21:11.240 what's your thoughts this morning? 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:17.880 This is the sort of event we've been dreading, and 1:21:17.920 --> 1:21:20.599 not only if you're a Trump supporter, just anybody who 1:21:20.600 --> 1:21:24.440 follows the American politics has seen how toxic and divisive 1:21:24.479 --> 1:21:28.000 it has become. And we've all dreaded the resurrection of 1:21:28.040 --> 1:21:31.680 your like of political violence in the US. It's been 1:21:31.720 --> 1:21:34.080 a thread in their history for centuries, of course, and 1:21:34.600 --> 1:21:37.040 we all really dreaded. This is shocking to see it 1:21:37.120 --> 1:21:39.720 unfold this morning. You know, I think Trump is a 1:21:39.760 --> 1:21:43.240 divisive figure. I'm not as enamored with him as you are, 1:21:43.280 --> 1:21:45.519 although I think the world was a stronger safer place 1:21:45.560 --> 1:21:47.920 when Trump was president than Joe Biden. 1:21:47.960 --> 1:21:50.160 But as you've been discussing this morning. 1:21:50.160 --> 1:21:52.679 The Democrats and all the way to the White House, 1:21:52.720 --> 1:21:56.680 President Joe Biden himself, they've been demonizing Trump. 1:21:56.439 --> 1:21:58.320 Day after day after day. 1:21:58.120 --> 1:22:02.200 And this has consequences. And I just saw the statement. 1:22:02.240 --> 1:22:05.600 They're the live statement that you went to in the 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:08.400 US with Joe Biden offering his comments, and I think 1:22:08.439 --> 1:22:11.840 what's critical here is what Joe Biden did not say. 1:22:11.920 --> 1:22:16.000 I thought, I thought that was a disgusting statement from 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:19.639 the president at such a time of chaos and concern 1:22:19.720 --> 1:22:24.400 for American democracy. He said nothing to call off the dogs, 1:22:24.400 --> 1:22:26.800 if you like, off Donald Trump. Nothing to say that 1:22:26.840 --> 1:22:30.040 we've got to stop being this divisive and not demonize 1:22:30.080 --> 1:22:30.559 this man. 1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:32.880 He gave a very very short shrift. 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:36.160 In my view, he should have been absolutely telling people 1:22:36.200 --> 1:22:41.000 that this is a fair political contest between two political 1:22:41.120 --> 1:22:45.080 parties who are legitimate and are legitimate contenders. He should 1:22:45.080 --> 1:22:48.520 have denounced the way that Donald Trump has been demonized 1:22:48.560 --> 1:22:50.320 by so much of the media and so much of 1:22:50.320 --> 1:22:52.439 the political debate. But he can't do that because he's 1:22:52.439 --> 1:22:55.479 been the leading denouncer if you like. So Look, this 1:22:55.520 --> 1:22:59.960 is really really problematic, of course, for the American political system, 1:23:00.240 --> 1:23:02.840 for the Democrats, and you only had to look at 1:23:02.840 --> 1:23:05.720 the way that Donald Trump responded, and we're seeing some 1:23:05.760 --> 1:23:09.160 of those pictures now. Of course, Donald Trump wanted to 1:23:09.240 --> 1:23:12.240 appear defiant and strong, and good on him for doing that. 1:23:12.800 --> 1:23:15.120 But let's remember too, he wanted to signal to his 1:23:15.240 --> 1:23:18.320 support us there and to support us around the country 1:23:18.320 --> 1:23:20.519 that he was okay that he was going to walk 1:23:20.560 --> 1:23:24.120 off the stage. But let's have mentioned those Secret Service 1:23:24.160 --> 1:23:27.000 agents there, men and women. What they're doing there, and 1:23:27.320 --> 1:23:30.000 most viewers I think would understand this. They are putting 1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:34.599 themselves between the target and the shooter. They are making 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:38.439 sure that if there are subsequent volleys of gunfire that 1:23:38.600 --> 1:23:41.720 they will be hit rather than Donald Trump. Now, these 1:23:41.760 --> 1:23:45.479 Secret Service agents, they'll be registered Democrats, registered Republicans. We 1:23:45.520 --> 1:23:48.960 don't know their politics, but their job is to protect 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:52.040 the candidate, in this case, the former president, Donald Trump. 1:23:52.240 --> 1:23:54.719 And it's just I think incredible to see them putting 1:23:54.800 --> 1:23:57.880 themselves in harm way, harm's way to make sure that 1:23:57.920 --> 1:24:00.960 if there is another shot, it will hit them rather 1:24:01.000 --> 1:24:01.840 than Donald Trump. 1:24:02.000 --> 1:24:04.439 Brilliant christ Absolutely, Chris. 1:24:04.520 --> 1:24:07.720 Have a look here, we're seeing shots outside the hospital 1:24:07.720 --> 1:24:11.520 where Donald Trump is being treated. It's Butler Memorial hospital 1:24:12.120 --> 1:24:15.920 there in Pennsylvania. So they've got shots that are happening people, 1:24:16.280 --> 1:24:17.480 So he's inside. 1:24:17.080 --> 1:24:22.800 There, Chris James, Yeah, Chris, I wanted to. 1:24:22.880 --> 1:24:25.360 And also there's there's some talk that Trump may have 1:24:25.360 --> 1:24:27.960 been hit by the glass from the shattering teleprompter. There's 1:24:27.960 --> 1:24:30.599 some discussion that they that may have also been what 1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:32.639 entered his ears. We'll find out more about that soon. 1:24:32.720 --> 1:24:35.960 But Chris, I want to ask you about, you know, philosophically, 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:39.519 there's a bigger issue here, and you know, we talk 1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:45.639 about the contest of ideas, the contest of ideas, and really, 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:48.519 to me, that Biden statement seemed to be saying, you know, 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:51.680 we can take the contest of ideas out of the 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:55.240 realm of you know, speaking and talking and debating and discussing. 1:24:56.040 --> 1:24:58.240 It seemed almost to make you know, an excuse what 1:24:58.320 --> 1:25:02.879 he said, that that this of violence and talk about 1:25:03.320 --> 1:25:06.280 what is happening to politics around the world here when 1:25:06.320 --> 1:25:10.000 we have this situation where you know, people are starting 1:25:10.040 --> 1:25:14.439 to even begin to equivocate on. 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:18.799 This, well, exactly, James, it was just terrible. 1:25:18.840 --> 1:25:21.559 The other factor of this statement from the president was 1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:23.640 that he didn't know anything. You're telling me that the 1:25:23.680 --> 1:25:26.479 president of the us couldn't get a call from someone 1:25:26.520 --> 1:25:28.559 at the scene to at least let him know whether 1:25:28.600 --> 1:25:31.599 the fatalities have been the shooter and an innocent victim 1:25:31.880 --> 1:25:32.120 or not. 1:25:32.200 --> 1:25:33.880 So he gave people no information. 1:25:34.240 --> 1:25:39.640 But you're right, his condemnation of violence was nuanced. It 1:25:39.760 --> 1:25:43.479 was weak, and it was it was not as strong 1:25:43.520 --> 1:25:44.360 as it should have been. 1:25:44.720 --> 1:25:47.320 And he said nothing to actually defend. 1:25:46.960 --> 1:25:50.080 The right of the other candidate of Donald Trump to 1:25:50.120 --> 1:25:51.519 hold this or he said, oh, I should be able 1:25:51.520 --> 1:25:53.759 to hold a rally like that. Well, no, it should 1:25:53.800 --> 1:25:57.360 be more than that. This is who's a legitimate candidate. 1:25:57.560 --> 1:26:00.040 He should be able to be contest this debate. He 1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:01.960 should be able to go about his business without being 1:26:02.000 --> 1:26:05.360 demonized daily by the media and by Democrats. And we 1:26:05.479 --> 1:26:08.880 need to respect this as a contest of ideas, not 1:26:09.080 --> 1:26:12.360 as a Remember, this is a president who says every 1:26:12.439 --> 1:26:15.719 day that the very future of democracies on the line. 1:26:15.800 --> 1:26:17.240 So he's telling people. 1:26:16.960 --> 1:26:19.640 Unless they defeat Trump or get rid of Trump, the 1:26:19.680 --> 1:26:24.560 whole of American democracy fails. That is an absolutely divisive 1:26:24.560 --> 1:26:29.200 and inflammatory line and proposition to put. And he should 1:26:29.240 --> 1:26:31.800 step back from that, and he should be telling the 1:26:31.920 --> 1:26:34.719 nation that that is not what's on the line Chris. 1:26:34.560 --> 1:26:37.160 Canny, absolutely, thanks so much for chatting to us here 1:26:37.200 --> 1:26:40.880 on Outsiders. And let's just remind ourselves of the assassination 1:26:41.120 --> 1:26:44.559 attempt two hours ago on Donald Trump. Let's have a 1:26:44.560 --> 1:26:46.360 look at the actual footage that took place. 1:26:54.640 --> 1:26:55.439 Look at what happened. 1:27:03.920 --> 1:27:04.240 Let me go. 1:27:08.600 --> 1:27:16.240 Or let me get got you, sir, I got to get. 1:27:16.000 --> 1:27:19.360 Let me get my shoes, so we gotta. 1:27:21.439 --> 1:28:04.840 Let me get Okay, okay. 1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:07.960 So that was the actual footage of the assassination attempt. 1:28:07.960 --> 1:28:11.919 Earlier this morning on Donald Trump Saturday afternoon in the States, 1:28:12.600 --> 1:28:15.080 the BBC had put an interview with one of the 1:28:15.120 --> 1:28:17.640 eyewitnesses who was there at the rally. So let's have 1:28:17.640 --> 1:28:19.200 a listened to this thanks to the BBC. 1:28:20.120 --> 1:28:22.200 So, we had a party here all day. 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:25.040 Dude, you can see behind us at the Brinko's Farming 1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:29.000 greenhouse here. We had a party and we all decided, hey, 1:28:29.080 --> 1:28:31.240 you know, when we hear Trump up there, we're going 1:28:31.320 --> 1:28:34.559 to walk up through the field, stand by the trees 1:28:34.600 --> 1:28:36.960 out there under the shade and watch us right and. 1:28:36.880 --> 1:28:37.599 Listen to the rally. 1:28:37.720 --> 1:28:37.840 Right. 1:28:37.880 --> 1:28:41.519 We couldn't see them, but we could hear them. So 1:28:41.600 --> 1:28:46.280 we walked up in probably five to seven minutes of 1:28:46.360 --> 1:28:47.720 Trump speaking of messaming here. 1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:49.559 I have no idea, you know, but. 1:28:51.560 --> 1:28:56.120 We noticed the guy crawling arm you know, bear crawling 1:28:56.240 --> 1:29:00.360 up the roof of the building beside us, fifty fifty 1:29:00.360 --> 1:29:03.080 feet away from us. So we're standing in there, you know, 1:29:03.120 --> 1:29:06.040 we're pointing. We're pointing at the guy crawling up the roof. 1:29:06.120 --> 1:29:07.080 And he had it counting right. 1:29:07.160 --> 1:29:07.840 He had a rifle. 1:29:08.200 --> 1:29:11.880 You get clearly see him with a rifle. Absolutely, we're 1:29:11.920 --> 1:29:12.680 pointing at him. 1:29:13.120 --> 1:29:14.280 The police are down. 1:29:14.120 --> 1:29:16.679 There running around on the ground. We're like, hey, man, 1:29:17.080 --> 1:29:19.800 this guy on the roof with the rifle. And the 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:21.960 police were like, huh what, you know, like like they 1:29:21.960 --> 1:29:23.080 didn't know what was going on. 1:29:23.439 --> 1:29:23.640 You know. 1:29:23.680 --> 1:29:25.360 We're like, hey, right here on the roof, we can 1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:26.280 see him from right here. 1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:28.479 We see him. He's crambling. 1:29:29.720 --> 1:29:32.639 And next thing, you know, I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, 1:29:32.680 --> 1:29:34.120 I'm like, why is Trump still speaking? 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:36.479 Why have they not pulled him off the stage. I'm 1:29:36.520 --> 1:29:37.280 standing there. 1:29:37.120 --> 1:29:40.240 Pointing at him for you know, two or three minutes. 1:29:40.560 --> 1:29:42.360 Secret Services looking at us from the. 1:29:42.360 --> 1:29:43.040 Top of the barn. 1:29:43.320 --> 1:29:46.160 I'm pointing at that roof, just standing there like this, 1:29:47.400 --> 1:29:50.000 and next thing, you know, five shots right out, so 1:29:50.200 --> 1:29:52.920 you'll you're almost sudden where the shots coming from, not 1:29:53.000 --> 1:29:55.519 coming there one hundred percent. 1:29:55.720 --> 1:29:57.679 And he was up there for a couple of minutes. 1:29:57.800 --> 1:29:59.400 He was up there there for a couple of them, and. 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:01.160 Absolutely at least three to four minutes. 1:30:01.200 --> 1:30:03.479 And you were telling the least in the secrets that we. 1:30:03.360 --> 1:30:05.479 Were telling the police. We were pointing at him. For 1:30:05.520 --> 1:30:07.479 the secret Service that were looking at us from the 1:30:07.520 --> 1:30:09.400 top of the barn. They were looking at us the 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:09.720 whole time. 1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:11.000 When were you stand about that tree? 1:30:11.120 --> 1:30:15.320 Thanks pedoculars they see Probably not because the roofs, the 1:30:15.320 --> 1:30:17.800 way that the slow went, he was behind where they 1:30:17.800 --> 1:30:20.680 could see. But why is there not secret service on 1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:23.240 all of these roofs here? I mean, this is not 1:30:23.320 --> 1:30:25.640 a big place. Incredibly, if the guy was on the 1:30:25.720 --> 1:30:28.720 roof right there, you can see the right roof right there, 1:30:28.720 --> 1:30:31.120 you could to look at him, could you, I know? 1:30:31.280 --> 1:30:36.280 Other than he was in muted collers, tanned tight clothing. 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:39.439 We saw the rifle flinging around as he was trying 1:30:39.439 --> 1:30:39.840 to crawl. 1:30:40.200 --> 1:30:41.760 I mean we saw the rifle one hundred percent. 1:30:42.240 --> 1:30:43.439 I mean, do you know about how did you know 1:30:43.479 --> 1:30:44.240 what kind of weapon? 1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:44.559 It was? 1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:44.760 Oh? 1:30:44.800 --> 1:30:45.920 Absolutely know about guns? 1:30:45.920 --> 1:30:46.439 For sure, you know. 1:30:46.520 --> 1:30:48.200 I mean there is a rifle of some sort. I 1:30:48.240 --> 1:30:50.639 wouldn't know, you know, I wasn't close enough to read 1:30:50.680 --> 1:30:53.600 the label on it. But there was a rifle of 1:30:53.680 --> 1:30:54.080 some sort. 1:30:54.600 --> 1:30:55.120 Yeah. 1:30:55.160 --> 1:30:58.720 Absolutely, So what do you how do you process what 1:30:58.840 --> 1:30:59.360 you've just seen? 1:31:02.000 --> 1:31:04.160 I don't know what to say, man. I I'll tell 1:31:04.240 --> 1:31:08.320 you is you know if I. 1:31:07.680 --> 1:31:11.000 If I walked up closer there with anything that can 1:31:11.080 --> 1:31:15.120 Secret Service considered a problem, I wouldn't be staying here 1:31:15.160 --> 1:31:16.960 talking to you right now. But I don't know why 1:31:17.000 --> 1:31:19.320 a guy who we're seeing in there point now to 1:31:19.479 --> 1:31:25.360 police and Secret Service is crawling up the roof. Yes, 1:31:25.760 --> 1:31:28.320 right there by that tree. We were outside of the 1:31:28.320 --> 1:31:32.800 security derman. But my question is there's only a few 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:35.800 buildings around here. Why is Secret Service not in every 1:31:35.800 --> 1:31:36.880 building here? 1:31:37.080 --> 1:31:39.000 There's a whole bunch of questions. I think, are they 1:31:39.040 --> 1:31:39.519 going to come? 1:31:39.680 --> 1:31:41.120 There's a whole bunch of questions. 1:31:41.479 --> 1:31:49.280 Yeah, And that was an extraordinary interview courtesy of the BBC. 1:31:49.600 --> 1:31:52.200 From then, let's just recap what he was saying. This 1:31:52.360 --> 1:31:56.439 will this will be fueling the conspiracy theorists on social media. 1:31:56.479 --> 1:31:58.760 I can tell you that. So that was an eyewitness 1:31:58.840 --> 1:32:01.880 according to the interviewed by the BBC, who was saying 1:32:02.280 --> 1:32:05.759 clearly that he saw the shooter crawling up the building 1:32:06.680 --> 1:32:12.000 with a rifle before the assassination attempt, alerted the Secret Service, 1:32:12.040 --> 1:32:16.200 alerted the police, and was astonished when Donald Trump was 1:32:16.240 --> 1:32:20.599 still talking and still carrying on. So lots and lots 1:32:20.640 --> 1:32:23.160 to dissect there what you can. We're now going to 1:32:23.320 --> 1:32:30.000 aerial footage. This is of the event itself, and we're 1:32:30.000 --> 1:32:35.760 looking down at the rally there in Pennsylvania where it 1:32:35.800 --> 1:32:36.439 took place. 1:32:37.320 --> 1:32:38.400 Caroline. 1:32:38.520 --> 1:32:41.799 A lot to unpack from what that guy. 1:32:41.680 --> 1:32:44.320 Happened, Oh, certainly, And this is just these pictures are 1:32:44.360 --> 1:32:44.679 just from. 1:32:44.600 --> 1:32:49.120 The rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, because he was speaking at 1:32:49.160 --> 1:32:52.280 a farm show and this was his last rally before 1:32:52.720 --> 1:32:56.479 he was to be officially endorsed as a Republican presidential candidate. 1:32:56.560 --> 1:32:58.879 So it was I guess pretty high stakes. 1:32:58.880 --> 1:33:02.360 It was his last big appearance before that official endorsement. 1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:03.160 Weather's happened. 1:33:03.280 --> 1:33:06.440 But back to that BBC interview, and it just raises questions, 1:33:06.479 --> 1:33:09.519 doesn't it. If if what that witness said turned out 1:33:09.560 --> 1:33:13.440 to be accurate, how was Donald Trump not better protected 1:33:13.720 --> 1:33:18.719 as the possible and likely next president of the United States? 1:33:18.760 --> 1:33:20.080 As a presidential candidate. 1:33:20.120 --> 1:33:22.800 Why did they not sweep all the buildings in the 1:33:22.840 --> 1:33:23.759 surrounding areas? 1:33:23.920 --> 1:33:27.920 You know, I mean that gentleman there gave some extraordinary 1:33:28.320 --> 1:33:32.160 testimony and what he said was absolutely correct. I mean, 1:33:32.360 --> 1:33:34.960 you know, again, having traveled with presidents, I was part 1:33:34.960 --> 1:33:37.400 of the traveling White House press pack when Bill Clinton 1:33:37.800 --> 1:33:40.360 was president out of Washington, and I can tell you 1:33:40.439 --> 1:33:45.320 the Secret Service are very, very thorough, and you know, 1:33:45.600 --> 1:33:49.360 they know what is going on on every sort of 1:33:49.520 --> 1:33:53.000 vantage point that has an open line of sight at 1:33:53.040 --> 1:33:57.919 where their protectee is going to be speaking, appearing, and walking. 1:33:58.040 --> 1:34:00.760 So you know, we don't know. I mean, Rowan, you 1:34:00.960 --> 1:34:03.840 used the phrase conspiracy theories there before. Obviously a lot 1:34:03.880 --> 1:34:05.360 of people are going to be coming up with a 1:34:05.360 --> 1:34:08.599 lot of crazy ideas. But you know, as this this 1:34:08.640 --> 1:34:12.639 will feed into other concerns, not just about the rhetoric 1:34:12.680 --> 1:34:17.400 around political violence. Of The Federalist website in the United States, 1:34:17.439 --> 1:34:21.000 which is a prominent conservative website, says that sources within 1:34:21.040 --> 1:34:24.320 the Trump campaign have told them that they have been 1:34:24.360 --> 1:34:27.559 concerned about the level of security they've been able to 1:34:27.800 --> 1:34:30.439 achieve from the Secret Service or some time. So we'll 1:34:30.439 --> 1:34:33.280 find out if those reports bear fruit. But you know, 1:34:33.600 --> 1:34:38.479 this here could have been an unbelievable tragedy. Obviously, it's 1:34:38.520 --> 1:34:42.640 a tragedy for the rally attendee who was killed in 1:34:42.680 --> 1:34:45.200 his family. And let's not forget that there is somebody 1:34:45.640 --> 1:34:48.200 apparently a rally attendee who died, and that's a real tragedy. 1:34:48.240 --> 1:34:51.519 But you know, this bullet could have been inches from 1:34:51.840 --> 1:34:55.960 the president's skull and the former president's skull, and that 1:34:56.080 --> 1:34:59.519 is just you know, the consequences of that, too American 1:34:59.560 --> 1:35:02.759 Democrat see in our future are just they're too horrible 1:35:02.760 --> 1:35:03.320 to think about. 1:35:03.680 --> 1:35:06.439 Well, joining us now is another Sky News host, Paul Murray. 1:35:06.479 --> 1:35:09.680 Great to have you here. Paul, of course has interviewed 1:35:09.680 --> 1:35:13.120 Donald Trump. Paul, you woke up this morning to the reactions. 1:35:13.160 --> 1:35:15.160 I know you feared it. I've feared it, We've all 1:35:15.200 --> 1:35:18.720 feared it for a long time. An assassination attempt on 1:35:18.840 --> 1:35:22.080 Donald Trump. Paul, what's your reaction to this morning? 1:35:22.800 --> 1:35:25.280 Yeah, Gay Rowan, well done on the coverage to you 1:35:25.320 --> 1:35:27.559 and everyone has been putting it together this morning. It 1:35:27.800 --> 1:35:31.280 is exactly what we're all afraid of. And also, in 1:35:31.360 --> 1:35:33.760 terms of high risk, you don't have to be a 1:35:33.800 --> 1:35:37.200 security expert to work out that he's not speaking with 1:35:37.280 --> 1:35:40.320 any sort of protective glass around him. He's there in 1:35:40.320 --> 1:35:43.559 front of forty thousand people today, forty thousand people tomorrow, 1:35:43.600 --> 1:35:44.680 twenty thousand people the. 1:35:44.640 --> 1:35:48.280 Next day, So he's been in this situation that you. 1:35:48.200 --> 1:35:52.200 Would imagine that the security bubble around him is very 1:35:52.280 --> 1:35:54.400 well practiced. We obviously saw that with the people who 1:35:54.439 --> 1:35:57.040 physically made it to the stage. But as you're talking 1:35:57.040 --> 1:36:01.920 about about that outer ring of protection, certainly Maga world 1:36:02.360 --> 1:36:04.880 on the internet is making all sorts of claims about 1:36:05.720 --> 1:36:08.719 official attempts by the Trump campaign or the Secret Service 1:36:08.760 --> 1:36:12.240 running with Trump that they wanted even more detail, more 1:36:12.280 --> 1:36:14.439 of it beefed up, but apparently that had been knocked back. 1:36:14.680 --> 1:36:17.160 We'll all see what happens in the next couple of 1:36:17.200 --> 1:36:20.160 days about that. I also agree with what Annele said, 1:36:20.200 --> 1:36:22.200 and I know that there's sort of a little echo 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:24.679 effect that happens here where people are going to start 1:36:24.720 --> 1:36:29.639 sending back the headlines of how other media organizations covered it. Yes, 1:36:29.720 --> 1:36:33.599 there are people that have been afraid of this moment, 1:36:33.720 --> 1:36:38.639 who cared for the president, hope for his adventure return 1:36:38.680 --> 1:36:41.439 to the presidency, but there were also those who had 1:36:41.520 --> 1:36:44.240 feared that something like this would happen and make him 1:36:44.280 --> 1:36:46.519 a martyr, and they were the ones who have. Of course, 1:36:46.680 --> 1:36:50.040 in my view, as James has been saying as well 1:36:50.040 --> 1:36:52.800 as yourself in Caroline today, is that the rhetoric in 1:36:52.840 --> 1:36:56.439 and around this presidential election is a disgrace. For all 1:36:56.479 --> 1:36:59.519 of the condemnation of the language of Trump, what about 1:36:59.560 --> 1:37:03.320 the language of Biden and every Democrat who says that 1:37:03.360 --> 1:37:05.640 the democracy is on the line and there'll be no 1:37:05.760 --> 1:37:08.599 country if Trump ends up. 1:37:08.479 --> 1:37:09.240 Winning the election. 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:12.680 So the motivation of somebody to think that they were 1:37:12.760 --> 1:37:15.280 doing a good and holy thing here is part of 1:37:15.320 --> 1:37:15.639 the mix. 1:37:15.640 --> 1:37:16.680 Obviously, we don't know who the. 1:37:16.600 --> 1:37:19.640 Shooter is and what the reason for doing it is, 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:22.120 but if you want to look at a whole series 1:37:22.160 --> 1:37:24.640 of behaviors that have led to this moment, it is 1:37:24.680 --> 1:37:28.720 about endless people, over endless years trying to pretend to 1:37:28.720 --> 1:37:31.920 this blow was everything from the Devil to Hitler and 1:37:31.960 --> 1:37:35.000 then something new and worse. And would it be any 1:37:35.040 --> 1:37:37.640 surprise that somebody would try to try to take that 1:37:37.720 --> 1:37:41.840 out and like everyone else, thank goodness that didn't happen. 1:37:41.920 --> 1:37:45.519 But I mean, literally, it's millimeters millimeter's difference between what 1:37:45.720 --> 1:37:49.320 story we're talking about, this morning, but in either direction, 1:37:50.280 --> 1:37:52.040 we'll all be feeling like this for a little while 1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:52.400 to come. 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:55.320 Paul, We're going to quick the go and have a 1:37:55.360 --> 1:37:58.519 look at another eyewitness interviews. So just have a listen 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:00.800 to this day with us, Paul Murray, let's have a 1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:02.439 listen to this eyewitness interview. 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:06.080 You were inside, What exactly did you hear and what 1:38:06.200 --> 1:38:06.800 did you see? 1:38:06.840 --> 1:38:09.400 So we heard something that sounded like a firecracker, and 1:38:09.439 --> 1:38:12.640 we turned around and there was people behind us, and 1:38:12.720 --> 1:38:14.240 it was two of our guys, I think in cam 1:38:14.280 --> 1:38:16.120 we uniform, shooting back. And then we seen a guy 1:38:16.160 --> 1:38:18.760 inside the crowd here, probably fifteen away from. 1:38:18.720 --> 1:38:19.560 Us, get shot. 1:38:20.000 --> 1:38:21.559 They said there was a casually and he was then 1:38:21.560 --> 1:38:24.599 and somebody else got shot. And then apparently our guys 1:38:24.600 --> 1:38:27.240 were shooting on top of the building and everybody started 1:38:27.280 --> 1:38:28.840 cheering once they got to the shooter. 1:38:28.920 --> 1:38:30.479 You can see them up on top of the building there. 1:38:30.640 --> 1:38:33.679 Okay, So when this was all happening, because now when 1:38:33.720 --> 1:38:35.040 you play it back, you can, you know, kind of 1:38:35.080 --> 1:38:37.400 figure it out and make it more succinct. But when 1:38:37.439 --> 1:38:40.200 this was happening, did you know where these possible shots 1:38:40.240 --> 1:38:40.800 were coming from? 1:38:40.800 --> 1:38:42.880 I mean, I can see the guys literally Well, the 1:38:42.920 --> 1:38:45.200 shots that we heard at the time, we thought it 1:38:45.240 --> 1:38:47.400 was somebody. We've seen turned around, We've seen smoke literally 1:38:47.439 --> 1:38:48.640 coming out of the barrel of the guys behind it. 1:38:48.760 --> 1:38:50.599 It was the time we thought they were coming at us, 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:52.719 but it happened to be our guys shooting back at him. 1:38:53.160 --> 1:38:54.840 So everybody was freaking out, thinking we were gonna get 1:38:54.840 --> 1:38:56.240 shot by the people right behind us, but they were 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:57.880 actually protecting us, shooting the shooter. 1:38:58.160 --> 1:39:01.120 And where was the shooter course to what you're seeing 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:02.200 and when you were there here. 1:39:02.120 --> 1:39:04.640 And our shooters up to our left, probably I don't know, 1:39:04.680 --> 1:39:06.200 forty feet away or so, up on top of that 1:39:06.240 --> 1:39:07.120 building or whatever it was. 1:39:07.439 --> 1:39:09.720 But the possible shooter, whoever possibly fired. 1:39:09.479 --> 1:39:11.439 Up, got shot. I don't know if he had whatever. 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:12.760 Somebody said he had the piss, so I'm not sure 1:39:12.760 --> 1:39:14.479 if that's sure or not. But somebody the crowd got 1:39:14.520 --> 1:39:16.519 shot from our guys or somebody I don't know, and 1:39:16.680 --> 1:39:17.479 he whatever. 1:39:17.640 --> 1:39:19.320 So it's a confusing situation. 1:39:19.000 --> 1:39:19.160 But. 1:39:21.160 --> 1:39:25.240 Extraordinary, Paul. We've had a tweet from JD. Vance, the 1:39:25.920 --> 1:39:28.080 senator who famously. 1:39:27.600 --> 1:39:29.519 Wrote Hillbilly Elergies. 1:39:29.800 --> 1:39:33.200 He's saying that the central premise of the Biden campaign 1:39:33.640 --> 1:39:38.040 is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who 1:39:38.120 --> 1:39:41.080 must be stopped at all costs and JD Vance this 1:39:41.240 --> 1:39:44.400 is is saying that the rhetoric led directly to President 1:39:44.439 --> 1:39:48.640 Trump's attempted assassination. Paul, you famously met Donald Trump. You 1:39:48.880 --> 1:39:52.120 interviewed him brilliantly there in the White House when he 1:39:52.200 --> 1:39:58.720 was president. You saw all the security levels. Does it 1:39:58.760 --> 1:40:02.360 surprise you listening to do those eyewitness accounts, particularly the 1:40:02.400 --> 1:40:04.880 BBC one of the character who said he saw the 1:40:04.920 --> 1:40:07.040 guy up on the building, crawling up the building, it 1:40:07.040 --> 1:40:09.519 sounds like something out of a bad movie, and alerted 1:40:09.560 --> 1:40:12.439 the police and alerted the secret security and nothing appeared 1:40:12.479 --> 1:40:15.480 to happen. This is all, as I say, just rumors 1:40:15.560 --> 1:40:20.439 and from the BBC interview, So he can't say whether 1:40:20.520 --> 1:40:23.040 it's how factual it is, but that he seemed to 1:40:23.040 --> 1:40:25.560 be a credible witness. What did you make of all that? 1:40:25.760 --> 1:40:30.479 Poor, Well, it's amazing, isn't it? Mate? Where you just like. 1:40:30.560 --> 1:40:33.600 Again the static bubble that is the White House for 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:36.920 obvious reasons, You're able to reinforce it, find new ways 1:40:36.920 --> 1:40:40.400 to reinforce it. But when you're out and about and 1:40:41.200 --> 1:40:44.960 out and as exposed as he was here. 1:40:45.320 --> 1:40:45.599 Again. 1:40:45.640 --> 1:40:47.640 I just keep thinking back to and I'm sure this 1:40:47.640 --> 1:40:49.719 footage will pop up in the next couple of days. 1:40:50.040 --> 1:40:51.400 But there's the footage. 1:40:51.439 --> 1:40:54.080 You remember when Barack Obama won the presidency in two 1:40:54.120 --> 1:40:56.360 thousand and eight, he walked out into that park in 1:40:56.520 --> 1:41:00.400 Chicago and supposedly a million people were there. Well, when 1:41:00.439 --> 1:41:02.800 he spoke, he spoke with a glass box around him. 1:41:03.160 --> 1:41:08.320 When Trump spoke at official events again as the president, 1:41:08.320 --> 1:41:10.719 he adds, sort of this glass box around in Biden 1:41:10.760 --> 1:41:11.960 would do the same. 1:41:12.040 --> 1:41:14.840 But there's no such protection. Now. 1:41:14.840 --> 1:41:17.479 There's a certain level of automatic Secret Service protection because 1:41:17.520 --> 1:41:20.960 you're the president, because you're a former president. 1:41:21.000 --> 1:41:23.280 There's automatic protection because you're a candidate. 1:41:24.439 --> 1:41:27.080 But whether the difference between being the sitting president and 1:41:27.240 --> 1:41:31.360 the aspid president or the former president is that traveling 1:41:31.920 --> 1:41:35.519 bulletproof glass will all wait and see. Marjorie Taylor Green 1:41:36.120 --> 1:41:39.040 has been on television in the US saying that she's 1:41:39.080 --> 1:41:41.680 going to try as of Monday in the US to 1:41:41.760 --> 1:41:45.559 start to have a serious hearing into this conversation about 1:41:45.760 --> 1:41:49.479 we're requests made and we're requests denied. But that image 1:41:49.479 --> 1:41:52.519 that you're seeing right now, Donald Trump Junior, among many 1:41:52.560 --> 1:41:56.320 others that's the image. That's the image that is going 1:41:56.400 --> 1:42:04.720 to be interpreted. It's so maddening. And you know, you 1:42:04.760 --> 1:42:07.880 were on the Trump train before almost anyone else in 1:42:07.920 --> 1:42:12.320 the country, and you know that since twenty and fifteen, 1:42:12.400 --> 1:42:15.920 this guy has become this rawshack test and the people 1:42:15.920 --> 1:42:17.679 who don't like him lose their brain. 1:42:17.840 --> 1:42:18.559 And there were. 1:42:18.400 --> 1:42:21.720 People today who were watching and as I say, they 1:42:21.720 --> 1:42:24.760 had a different instinct to what happened than you and 1:42:24.800 --> 1:42:26.800 I did. Not because they were wishing ill, but just 1:42:26.880 --> 1:42:30.360 they thought this was the natural trajectory. People like Tucker Carlson, 1:42:30.400 --> 1:42:32.559 of course, have said that this was the only way 1:42:32.600 --> 1:42:34.840 things would stop. I know you mentioned that earlier in 1:42:35.400 --> 1:42:38.080 the program as well. But what I mean think about 1:42:38.120 --> 1:42:40.280 this period of time is that the eleventh of July 1:42:40.479 --> 1:42:43.240 was when he was supposed to be sentenced and potentially 1:42:43.720 --> 1:42:45.840 off to jail in New York. That was put off 1:42:45.880 --> 1:42:50.720 because of the Supreme Court decision around presidential immunity. In 1:42:50.760 --> 1:42:54.040 the next couple of days, the Republican Convention, now the 1:42:54.040 --> 1:42:57.160 Republican Convention, supposedly the biggest and most interesting part of 1:42:57.160 --> 1:42:58.080 it was going to be. 1:42:59.520 --> 1:43:01.200 Who was going to be the vice president? 1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:03.760 J D. E. Vance, The Ohio Senator, one of the 1:43:03.840 --> 1:43:06.040 many on the short list. Well, now, of course it's 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:08.920 all about seeing Trump for the first time. After a 1:43:09.000 --> 1:43:13.000 moment like this, So American politics as we know sort 1:43:13.000 --> 1:43:16.559 of it really goes from sort of obsessing about one 1:43:16.600 --> 1:43:19.120 side to obsessing about another. And I've heard a lot 1:43:19.120 --> 1:43:22.639 of conversation on this morning, and rightly so on the program, 1:43:22.640 --> 1:43:23.639 about well, what does it mean. 1:43:23.560 --> 1:43:24.920 For the politics all the rest of it. 1:43:24.920 --> 1:43:28.519 Well, you know, he were tope, but even people who 1:43:28.640 --> 1:43:31.800 hate Donald Trump rally to the humanity of what had 1:43:31.800 --> 1:43:32.439 happened here. 1:43:33.160 --> 1:43:35.320 I agree with James in. 1:43:35.280 --> 1:43:39.960 Particular about his reaction to the Biden statement, which I 1:43:39.960 --> 1:43:44.080 thought was pretty weak. It didn't have any sense of 1:43:44.160 --> 1:43:49.200 gravitus to it, and it seemed to be something that 1:43:49.280 --> 1:43:51.760 automatically he went back into his muscle memory, which was 1:43:51.760 --> 1:43:54.479 to say all those stupid things that you say about 1:43:54.479 --> 1:43:57.120 Trump as a way of trying to scare people into to. 1:43:57.200 --> 1:43:58.080 Bringing out the vote. 1:43:58.120 --> 1:44:00.479 But of course going into all of this was more 1:44:00.520 --> 1:44:03.320 popular in the polls. You've got to imagine that a 1:44:03.439 --> 1:44:05.759 rallying effect of Americans. 1:44:06.640 --> 1:44:08.760 Comes to his aid. 1:44:08.840 --> 1:44:12.559 But that image, that idea that if you are or 1:44:12.560 --> 1:44:14.960 anybody else, or in fact you know, ninety nine percent 1:44:15.000 --> 1:44:17.719 of everyone watching right now that something like that had happened, 1:44:18.240 --> 1:44:21.200 You're adrenaline would send you into some sort of confusion 1:44:21.520 --> 1:44:24.760 and a slight cower. The idea that he's adrenaline turned 1:44:24.800 --> 1:44:29.719 into fight, fight, fight, and literally he's resisting the moves 1:44:29.720 --> 1:44:31.759 of the Secret Service. It gives you an idea about 1:44:31.760 --> 1:44:34.960 that internal fight. De man has something that's obvious, whether 1:44:35.000 --> 1:44:37.160 you calmly talk to him at the White House, or 1:44:37.160 --> 1:44:40.200 whether we see it in a potential tragedy today, or 1:44:40.240 --> 1:44:41.960 we see it in a court room, or we see 1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:45.639 it anywhere. I just think, you know, the internal spirit 1:44:45.680 --> 1:44:49.360 of this bloke is so obvious, and you know, well, 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:51.920 there'll be people watching our conversation trying to misinterpret it 1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:54.599 about what does it mean politically. The reality is that 1:44:55.040 --> 1:44:58.640 everything at this time in the cycle becomes political and 1:44:58.680 --> 1:45:02.439 becomes interpreted as politic. It was fascinating to see how, again, 1:45:03.360 --> 1:45:05.240 if these sorts of things had happened to a different 1:45:05.240 --> 1:45:08.120 political figure, some figures in the media would be much 1:45:08.160 --> 1:45:13.760 more dramatic or mournful in their language. But because it's Trump, 1:45:13.800 --> 1:45:15.360 they're going to take a couple of hours to get 1:45:15.360 --> 1:45:15.519 to that. 1:45:16.240 --> 1:45:20.160 Well, Paul I'm only half joking. I'm only half joking. 1:45:20.200 --> 1:45:24.240 But maybe Joe Biden's statement was a bit weak because 1:45:24.240 --> 1:45:26.200 he was still trying to figure out who'd been shot. 1:45:26.400 --> 1:45:30.800 But anyway, as I say, great to chat to you, 1:45:30.840 --> 1:45:35.000 Paul Murray, thanks so much for coming here on Outsiders. 1:45:34.080 --> 1:45:37.520 James, Well, this is just extraordinary. 1:45:37.760 --> 1:45:40.000 Paul has interviewed Donald Trump in the White House, so 1:45:40.040 --> 1:45:42.679 he knows, you know, about the personality. There is now 1:45:42.880 --> 1:45:47.000 talk that Donald Trump was due to attend a UFC 1:45:47.160 --> 1:45:50.519 match in Denver. There is no speculation that some sources 1:45:50.560 --> 1:45:52.240 are now saying that he is actually going to. 1:45:52.400 --> 1:45:53.679 Attend that rally. 1:45:53.880 --> 1:45:57.000 Right if he does, I mean, you can only imagine 1:45:57.000 --> 1:45:59.000 how absolutely crazy the crowd is going. 1:45:58.920 --> 1:46:01.479 To have tickets for that. Lucky because you know. 1:46:01.600 --> 1:46:05.880 Of Trump and the UFC community are really really very close. 1:46:05.920 --> 1:46:08.080 He goes to these these events all the time and 1:46:08.200 --> 1:46:11.280 the crowd goes nuts. We've got this convention coming up, 1:46:11.840 --> 1:46:15.080 of course, and this is now going to be I 1:46:15.120 --> 1:46:18.200 think the entire theme of this campaign is now going 1:46:18.200 --> 1:46:22.360 to be summed up in one word that is defiance. 1:46:22.560 --> 1:46:26.040 And I think that defiance is going to be what 1:46:26.120 --> 1:46:29.000 this is all about. And I think that for everybody 1:46:29.120 --> 1:46:33.200 out there, you know, on the fence about which way 1:46:33.400 --> 1:46:35.920 they're going to go. I think that this is just 1:46:36.479 --> 1:46:40.120 you know, underlines. I think the support that Donald Trump 1:46:40.200 --> 1:46:44.800 is going to get because we have now seen this 1:46:44.920 --> 1:46:48.280 is the you know, nearly the endpoint of this whole 1:46:48.360 --> 1:46:54.920 attempt to demonize, dehumanize, destroy this man his family for 1:46:55.920 --> 1:47:00.040 the crime in the left's mind of entering politics, not 1:47:00.280 --> 1:47:03.759 just staying as an entertaining reality TV star and proper developer, 1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:07.160 but entering into politics, blowing up the system, taking on 1:47:07.240 --> 1:47:10.719 Hillary Clinton winning in twenty sixteen, which is the thing 1:47:10.880 --> 1:47:14.760 that you know, the left will never get over their 1:47:14.800 --> 1:47:19.240 brain broke seven and a half years ago when that happened, 1:47:19.400 --> 1:47:23.799 and the trauma and the insanity on the left plays 1:47:23.840 --> 1:47:26.759 out in so many ways. And we don't know again 1:47:27.160 --> 1:47:31.760 yet who was responsible for this alleged assassination attempt, but 1:47:32.120 --> 1:47:34.519 you know, it could very well be that this is 1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:38.640 part of that same derangement. We talk about Trump derangement 1:47:38.680 --> 1:47:41.679 syndrome all the time as kind of a joke, you know, sometimes, 1:47:41.720 --> 1:47:45.240 oh that person's got TDS Trump arrangement syndrome, But you know, 1:47:46.000 --> 1:47:49.439 this could actually be quite a much more serious case 1:47:49.439 --> 1:47:49.720 of it. 1:47:49.720 --> 1:47:53.800 This could be the very manifestation, correct TDS. I mean 1:47:54.080 --> 1:47:57.320 you talk about defiance James, And we've had a statement 1:47:57.400 --> 1:47:59.880 that's come out from Donald Trump Junior, who put mention 1:48:00.080 --> 1:48:03.799 a few minutes ago, and it just sums up how 1:48:04.640 --> 1:48:07.200 Trump is, how his father is doing now. It said, 1:48:07.240 --> 1:48:09.800 I just spoke to my father on the phone, and 1:48:09.880 --> 1:48:13.200 he is in great spirits. He will never stop fighting 1:48:13.240 --> 1:48:16.960 to save America no matter what the radical left throws 1:48:16.960 --> 1:48:17.360 at him. 1:48:17.400 --> 1:48:20.439 So it gives you an insight into how. 1:48:20.320 --> 1:48:23.839 They're already I want to say, spinning this, but it's 1:48:23.920 --> 1:48:27.280 not spin by all accounts. Is how they're going to 1:48:27.320 --> 1:48:32.000 be framing this, that he is, that he's a martyr 1:48:32.120 --> 1:48:35.200 out of this, that he was attacked because of this 1:48:35.320 --> 1:48:38.880 radical left derangement and he is not going to take 1:48:38.880 --> 1:48:40.920 it lying down. So I wouldn't be surprised to see 1:48:40.960 --> 1:48:42.400 him at that UFC fight Adams. 1:48:42.479 --> 1:48:45.160 That would be amazing. Well you'll find out here on sky. 1:48:45.320 --> 1:48:48.000 No worries about that. But let's have a look at 1:48:48.479 --> 1:48:51.960 James has repeatedly referred to the kind of lukewarm Joe 1:48:52.000 --> 1:48:55.240 Biden's statement. I'm surprised he even managed to get to 1:48:55.240 --> 1:48:56.240 the podium. 1:48:55.800 --> 1:48:56.320 But anyway. 1:48:56.560 --> 1:48:59.840 That's my personal opinion. But let's have a listen to 1:49:00.640 --> 1:49:04.120 that statement. You can decide for yourselves whether President Joe 1:49:04.120 --> 1:49:08.360 Biden's response to the attempted assassination of Donald Trump was 1:49:09.080 --> 1:49:10.200 suitably presidential. 1:49:11.680 --> 1:49:14.840 I try to get a hold of Donald. He's with 1:49:14.960 --> 1:49:19.519 his doctors. They apparently he's just doing well. I plan 1:49:19.640 --> 1:49:23.200 on talking them shortly. I hope when I get back 1:49:23.240 --> 1:49:27.400 to the telephone book. There's no place in America for 1:49:27.439 --> 1:49:28.360 this kind of violence. 1:49:28.439 --> 1:49:29.000 It's sick. 1:49:29.640 --> 1:49:30.240 It's sick. 1:49:30.800 --> 1:49:32.320 It's one of the reason why we have to unite 1:49:32.320 --> 1:49:35.519 this country. We cannot allow for this to be happening. 1:49:35.600 --> 1:49:39.400 We cannot be like this. We cannot condone this. And 1:49:39.479 --> 1:49:41.920 so I want to thank the Secret Service and all 1:49:41.960 --> 1:49:44.680 the agency, including the state agencies that have been engaged 1:49:45.000 --> 1:49:48.759 in making sure that people and we have more detail 1:49:48.800 --> 1:49:51.560 to come relative to other injured, other people may be 1:49:51.640 --> 1:49:54.240 injured in the audience. I don't have all that detail. 1:49:54.360 --> 1:49:56.800 Will make that available to you. I may be able 1:49:56.840 --> 1:49:59.439 to come back a little later tonight, but we'll put 1:49:59.439 --> 1:50:01.599 out a statement if we don't, if I'm not able 1:50:01.600 --> 1:50:03.760 to get it, for if it's not convenient for you all. 1:50:04.160 --> 1:50:07.960 But the bottom line is that the Trump rally is 1:50:07.960 --> 1:50:10.040 a rally that he should have been able to be 1:50:10.080 --> 1:50:14.719 conducted peacefully without any problem. But the idea, the idea 1:50:15.439 --> 1:50:18.040 that there's political violence or violence in America like this, 1:50:18.160 --> 1:50:21.639 it's just unpard of. It's just not appropriate, and everybody, 1:50:21.840 --> 1:50:25.600 everybody must condemn it, everybody. I'll keep you informed, and 1:50:25.640 --> 1:50:28.120 if I am able to speak to the to Donald, 1:50:28.640 --> 1:50:31.559 I'll let you know that as well. So far it 1:50:31.640 --> 1:50:36.800 appears he's doing well. Number one. Number two, that there's 1:50:36.880 --> 1:50:40.160 thoroughly investigating what happened to anyone else in the audience. 1:50:40.240 --> 1:50:43.759 I have, we have some reports, but not final reports, 1:50:44.280 --> 1:50:47.000 and every agency in the federal government, and I'm going 1:50:47.080 --> 1:50:51.639 back to my phone to speak with the federal agencies 1:50:51.640 --> 1:50:53.559 that are being put to being put together again to 1:50:53.560 --> 1:50:56.719 give me an updated Breefe as anything happened. They're learning 1:50:56.760 --> 1:50:59.160 more in the last couple of hours. So thank you 1:50:59.280 --> 1:51:01.080 very much, and I hope I get to speak to 1:51:01.360 --> 1:51:03.400 Note and I'll get you back to you if I do. 1:51:04.000 --> 1:51:06.040 President, do you think it was an assassination attempt? 1:51:08.360 --> 1:51:11.760 I don't know enough to have an opinion, but I 1:51:11.760 --> 1:51:14.240 don't have any facts, so I want to make sure 1:51:14.320 --> 1:51:16.439 we have all the facts before I make some comment. 1:51:16.439 --> 1:51:20.280 Anymore comments thank you, I don't know enough seems to 1:51:20.320 --> 1:51:24.120 sum up Joe Biden's presidency in my opinion, Caroline, we 1:51:24.200 --> 1:51:27.120 have had a response from Donald Trumps. 1:51:27.280 --> 1:51:30.639 The man himself has posted it looks on truth social 1:51:31.160 --> 1:51:34.840 getting reposted everywhere obviously, and he says that it was. 1:51:34.840 --> 1:51:37.320 A bullet that clipped him on the ear. 1:51:38.000 --> 1:51:40.400 There had been some speculation about that, so he said 1:51:40.760 --> 1:51:43.080 in his post, I want to thank the United States 1:51:43.200 --> 1:51:46.519 Secret Service and all of law enforcement for their rapid 1:51:46.600 --> 1:51:50.320 response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. 1:51:50.840 --> 1:51:54.360 Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the 1:51:54.400 --> 1:51:57.120 family of the person at the rally who was killed, 1:51:57.479 --> 1:52:00.200 and also to the family of another person that was 1:52:00.240 --> 1:52:01.240 badly injured. 1:52:01.600 --> 1:52:03.160 It is incredible that such. 1:52:02.920 --> 1:52:06.360 An act can take place in our country. Nothing is 1:52:06.439 --> 1:52:07.920 known at this time about the. 1:52:07.880 --> 1:52:09.320 Shooter, who is now dead. 1:52:09.800 --> 1:52:13.000 I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper 1:52:13.040 --> 1:52:16.679 part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something 1:52:16.800 --> 1:52:20.200 was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound shots 1:52:20.600 --> 1:52:24.840 and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much 1:52:24.880 --> 1:52:29.240 bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. 1:52:29.400 --> 1:52:30.680 God bless America. 1:52:31.200 --> 1:52:31.479 Wow. 1:52:31.680 --> 1:52:34.840 Well, I've said before with somebody up there like Donald Trump, 1:52:34.880 --> 1:52:37.200 because that is extraordinary. If there was a shooter on 1:52:37.240 --> 1:52:40.120 the roof just clipped his ear just as Donald Trump 1:52:40.120 --> 1:52:43.000 turned his head to the right. We saw the footage. 1:52:43.040 --> 1:52:46.759 That is unbelievable and extraordinary. Let's go to Keith Pitt's 1:52:47.240 --> 1:52:51.680 Nationals MP. Keith, you've woken up. You were going to 1:52:51.720 --> 1:52:53.960 come on outside this morning to talk about other things, 1:52:54.000 --> 1:52:56.960 but I think this is all we will talk about. Keith, 1:52:57.000 --> 1:53:00.559 what is your reaction to the attempted assassination of former 1:53:00.600 --> 1:53:03.479 president and presidential candidate Donald Trump. 1:53:06.080 --> 1:53:08.720 I think, like every Australian, I was shocked by the 1:53:08.720 --> 1:53:10.599 footage and the events that have occurred in the United 1:53:10.600 --> 1:53:14.320 States today and what's clearly an assassination attempt on former 1:53:14.360 --> 1:53:18.920 President Trump, and my thoughts go to those innocent bystanders. 1:53:19.400 --> 1:53:22.320 The reports are that someone's lost their life simply because 1:53:22.320 --> 1:53:25.640 they've attended a political rally to support the candidate of 1:53:25.680 --> 1:53:28.800 their choice. And don't forget, I mean, we're only two 1:53:28.880 --> 1:53:31.479 years since the world lost former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe 1:53:31.479 --> 1:53:34.879 to an assassin's board, so It's just incredible scenes. 1:53:35.280 --> 1:53:36.679 And I think for those. 1:53:36.479 --> 1:53:39.080 Of us in public life in Australia, we have to 1:53:39.080 --> 1:53:42.080 be even more deliberate now in our remarks. We have 1:53:42.160 --> 1:53:46.240 to be incredibly cautious that we don't say something unintentionally 1:53:46.320 --> 1:53:49.240 or intentionally that would inflame tensions in this country that 1:53:49.320 --> 1:53:52.639 were in flame hatred in this country. And I don't 1:53:52.640 --> 1:53:55.000 want to see us go down this path. But what 1:53:55.040 --> 1:53:57.200 an incredible series of events in America today. 1:53:58.520 --> 1:54:02.200 What do you think Keith will due to the. 1:54:03.840 --> 1:54:07.640 Ongoing campaign, the presidential campaign there, do you think it 1:54:07.680 --> 1:54:11.440 will ramp up the hatred or do you think people Americans, 1:54:11.520 --> 1:54:13.920 more sober Americans might go, wow, we've really got to 1:54:13.960 --> 1:54:16.840 calm down this rhetoric and we've got to get back 1:54:16.880 --> 1:54:22.080 to a more sensible level of less of the hysteria. 1:54:22.439 --> 1:54:25.000 Well, I hope they return to policy and they make 1:54:25.040 --> 1:54:26.360 it a debate, a round policy. 1:54:26.840 --> 1:54:28.200 To be honest, I think that's unlikely. 1:54:28.880 --> 1:54:31.000 But what I do expect is I think Trump will 1:54:31.040 --> 1:54:34.120 actually increase the number of public events that he does, 1:54:34.680 --> 1:54:36.400 and a bit like Chris Kenny. I mean, we've already 1:54:36.480 --> 1:54:39.440 seen what will be iconic images from this morning, you know, 1:54:39.480 --> 1:54:42.200 the flag and the sky and fist raised. But the 1:54:42.200 --> 1:54:44.960 one that stood out to me is the Secret Service 1:54:45.040 --> 1:54:47.560 shoulder of the arms around one another in a hurdle 1:54:47.640 --> 1:54:52.200 to protect the principle. And it's just an extraordinary, remarkable 1:54:52.200 --> 1:54:55.720 thing for an individual to do. And yet Donald Trump's 1:54:55.720 --> 1:54:59.400 come away relatively unscathed. I think he'll do more public rallies. 1:55:00.040 --> 1:55:03.800 I think it's likely he'll get even greater support across America. 1:55:04.400 --> 1:55:05.760 But for me, my concern has. 1:55:05.720 --> 1:55:09.680 Always been about Australia and we've seen escalation and incidents 1:55:09.720 --> 1:55:11.120 in recent weeks and months. 1:55:11.520 --> 1:55:12.879 You've got a Prime Minister who can't. 1:55:12.680 --> 1:55:15.840 Get to his electorate office because of Palestinian protesters. We've 1:55:15.880 --> 1:55:20.280 had Palestinian protesters with backpackers, breached security at Australia's Parliament House, 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:24.920 very large rallies again in Queensland, and I just think. 1:55:24.800 --> 1:55:26.480 We've got to take the heat out of that debate. 1:55:26.800 --> 1:55:29.560 We don't want to see these incidents occur in Australia 1:55:30.120 --> 1:55:32.200 and as someone in public life, that's part of my job. 1:55:33.720 --> 1:55:38.400 Caroline Keith, I mean, how will this impact politicians around 1:55:38.440 --> 1:55:41.840 the world. I mean, this is the first assassination attempt 1:55:42.040 --> 1:55:45.160 on US soil we've seen for years now is that 1:55:45.240 --> 1:55:48.680 going to change how politicians and how our leaders in 1:55:48.720 --> 1:55:50.360 Australia operate as well? 1:55:50.400 --> 1:55:51.200 Do you think. 1:55:53.520 --> 1:55:57.680 We've already seen security upgrades and increased warnings for us 1:55:58.120 --> 1:55:58.839 in this country. 1:56:00.160 --> 1:56:01.640 I just find that incredibly sad. 1:56:01.840 --> 1:56:04.200 I think one of the great things about Australias democracy 1:56:04.320 --> 1:56:07.160 is the ability for its MPs and its senators to 1:56:07.240 --> 1:56:09.480 actually mix with the Australian people. I mean, most of 1:56:09.560 --> 1:56:12.000 us are at events that are well publicized. People know 1:56:12.040 --> 1:56:14.200 where we are. It's one of the great things about 1:56:14.200 --> 1:56:16.200 our job. Anyone can come and tell you how bad 1:56:16.240 --> 1:56:18.760 you're doing. Occasionally they tell you you're going all right. 1:56:19.040 --> 1:56:20.320 But it is concerning. 1:56:20.640 --> 1:56:23.600 We've seen stabbings in the UK, for example, for members 1:56:23.600 --> 1:56:26.600 of parliament. We've now seen an assassination tempt on a 1:56:26.640 --> 1:56:29.520 former president in the United States and of course the 1:56:29.560 --> 1:56:32.920 Republican candidate, and no one wants to see that here. 1:56:33.400 --> 1:56:35.879 And I just say to everyone that's making public comments, 1:56:36.600 --> 1:56:38.720 make sure that you keep those in line with what 1:56:38.800 --> 1:56:41.680 you want to see our nation look like into the future. 1:56:42.200 --> 1:56:44.400 And I want it to be as it always has been, 1:56:44.840 --> 1:56:47.000 a place of peace, a place where you can have 1:56:47.040 --> 1:56:49.920 an argument, you can disagree, but you walk away without 1:56:49.960 --> 1:56:55.040 this absolute rhetoric and one eyed view which ultimately results 1:56:55.080 --> 1:56:56.200 in these types of incidents. 1:56:57.040 --> 1:56:59.880 Keith Pitt, Nationals MP for Queensland. There, thanks so much 1:56:59.880 --> 1:57:02.800 for coming on outside, as it's always great to have 1:57:02.920 --> 1:57:07.959 you on. Well, Donald Trump, you know this show Outside 1:57:08.000 --> 1:57:10.400 has began with Donald Trump the night he was elected. 1:57:10.440 --> 1:57:14.680 That's why this show exists. This assassination attempt is something 1:57:14.720 --> 1:57:18.960 we have all feared and dreaded for so many years. 1:57:19.560 --> 1:57:23.640 The vile hatred of Donald Trump, which seems to go 1:57:24.040 --> 1:57:28.000 Caroline referred to Trump derangement syndrome. This hatred of Donald Trump, 1:57:28.080 --> 1:57:31.680 this demonizing of him, which is not exclusive to America, 1:57:31.720 --> 1:57:34.240 by the way, it happens here in Australia by people 1:57:34.280 --> 1:57:37.200 who should know better, and around the world it happens. 1:57:37.640 --> 1:57:42.360 An assassination attempt on Donald Trump was the end result 1:57:42.720 --> 1:57:47.680 of that demonization. And this. If you tell enough people 1:57:47.800 --> 1:57:51.680 enough times that the potential next president is an evil 1:57:51.840 --> 1:57:54.920 Hitler esque type figure who's going to destroy their democracy, 1:57:55.200 --> 1:57:59.160 it's hardly surprising that at some point someone takes matters 1:57:59.160 --> 1:58:01.480 into their own hand. We don't know the full story, 1:58:01.520 --> 1:58:04.080 we don't know who the shooter is. We know he's dead, 1:58:04.360 --> 1:58:09.000 We've heard extraordinary reports this morning from the BBC and 1:58:09.080 --> 1:58:14.000 Fox and other places, people who were there. That will 1:58:14.040 --> 1:58:16.960 be poured over by many people in the hours to come. 1:58:17.400 --> 1:58:21.920 There are reports that Donald Trump may may reappear sooner 1:58:22.000 --> 1:58:25.800 than we are. He may be out of that hospital, 1:58:25.840 --> 1:58:28.840 and that will be a momentous event. James and Caroline, 1:58:29.480 --> 1:58:31.640 what a morning to be here and outside. 1:58:31.680 --> 1:58:35.080 As James, I just think that this is extraordinary and 1:58:35.080 --> 1:58:36.600 extraordinarily sad. 1:58:38.120 --> 1:58:39.920 We've got some statements from the Secret Service here. 1:58:39.920 --> 1:58:46.880 I think let's have let's go to that that is 1:58:46.920 --> 1:58:50.200 awfully small there. I think, Ala, sorry, there is a 1:58:50.200 --> 1:58:52.400 statement from the Secret Service, but this is live and 1:58:52.440 --> 1:58:54.520 we can't read it. 1:58:54.640 --> 1:58:56.000 That is very small text. 1:58:56.080 --> 1:58:58.640 So we're going we can't read that for you. But 1:58:59.000 --> 1:59:00.440 Kieran Gilbert, who's coming on. 1:59:00.320 --> 1:59:00.840 In a second. 1:59:00.960 --> 1:59:05.240 I've got is that during former President Trump's campaign rally 1:59:05.280 --> 1:59:09.040 in Butler, Pennsylvania, on the evening of July thirteenth, at 1:59:09.040 --> 1:59:14.080 approximately six fifteen PM, a suspected shooter fired multiple shots 1:59:14.120 --> 1:59:17.480 toward the stage from an elevated position. 1:59:17.240 --> 1:59:19.480 Outside of the rally venue. 1:59:19.720 --> 1:59:23.640 US Secret Service personnel neutralized the shooter, who has now deceased. 1:59:24.040 --> 1:59:27.120 US Secret Service quickly responded with protective measures, and the 1:59:27.120 --> 1:59:32.120 former president is safe and is being evaluated. One spectator 1:59:32.200 --> 1:59:36.360 was killed, two spectators were critically injured. The incident is 1:59:36.400 --> 1:59:40.480 currently under investigation, and the Secret Service has formally notified 1:59:40.840 --> 1:59:45.080 the Federal Bureau of Investigations the FBI, so that that 1:59:45.880 --> 1:59:48.920 report from the art witness we saw outside the venue 1:59:49.160 --> 1:59:50.840 seems to have some crop. 1:59:51.040 --> 1:59:51.440 There we go. 1:59:51.640 --> 1:59:54.080 Thank you, Caroline, and let's go now to Fox News. 1:59:54.120 --> 1:59:56.800 You stay here, watch throughout the day here on Sky 1:59:56.920 --> 1:59:59.520 Fox News, and then we'll be talking to Kieren Gilbert 1:59:59.560 --> 2:00:01.520 later on. You will carry all the coverage through the 2:00:01.520 --> 2:00:02.160 rest of the day. 2:00:02.400 --> 2:00:04.240 Thanks and welcome to Hannity. 2:00:04.280 --> 2:00:07.240 And this is a Fox News alert today, the former 2:00:07.320 --> 2:00:11.000 president of the United States, Donald J. Trump, was the 2:00:11.000 --> 2:00:14.760 target of an apparent assassination attempt. One innocent attendee is 2:00:14.800 --> 2:00:18.000 now dead. President Trump, we are told, is alive and 2:00:18.080 --> 2:00:21.600 well and now in a safe location. The shooter, meanwhile, 2:00:21.760 --> 2:00:25.000 has been killed by US Secret Service. And just breaking 2:00:25.040 --> 2:00:29.320 moments ago, President Trump's first reaction on truth social quote, 2:00:29.480 --> 2:00:32.440 I want to thank the US Secret Service and all 2:00:32.480 --> 2:00:35.760 of law enforcement for their rapid response on the shooting 2:00:35.800 --> 2:00:39.440 that just took place. In Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I 2:00:39.480 --> 2:00:42.600 want to extend my condolences to the family of the 2:00:42.640 --> 2:00:46.000 person at the rally who was killed, and also to 2:00:46.040 --> 2:00:49.560 the family of another person that was badly injured. It 2:00:49.640 --> 2:00:52.200 is incredible that such an act can take place in 2:00:52.240 --> 2:00:55.720 our country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, 2:00:56.080 --> 2:00:59.360 who is now dead. He said, I was shot with 2:00:59.440 --> 2:01:02.640 a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. 2:01:02.840 --> 2:01:06.320 I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I 2:01:06.360 --> 2:01:10.120 heard a whizzing sound shots and immediately felt the bullet 2:01:10.240 --> 2:01:13.520 ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I 2:01:13.600 --> 2:01:17.440 realized then what was happening. God bless America. According to 2:01:17.480 --> 2:01:21.680 the Secret Service Tonight quote, during former President Trump's campaign 2:01:21.760 --> 2:01:25.640 rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, on the evening of July thirteenth, 2:01:25.720 --> 2:01:29.720 at approximately six to fifteen pm, a suspected shooter fired 2:01:29.800 --> 2:01:34.520 multiple shots towards the stage from an elevated position outside 2:01:34.560 --> 2:01:38.720 of the rally venue. US Secret Service personnel neutralized the shooter, 2:01:39.040 --> 2:01:40.240 who has now deceased. 2:01:40.600 --> 2:01:42.400 US Secret Service quickly. 2:01:42.080 --> 2:01:46.120 Responded with protective measures, and former President Trump is safe. 2:01:46.320 --> 2:01:50.520 One spectator was killed, two spectators were critically injured. This 2:01:50.680 --> 2:01:54.680 incident is currently under investigation. The Secret Service has notified 2:01:54.720 --> 2:01:57.520 the FBI, and in case you missed it, here's what 2:01:57.560 --> 2:02:01.280 went down just a few hours ago. 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