WEBVTT - Happy endings: Maddie Pulver and Liam Knight

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<v Speaker 1>Were we ready?

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<v Speaker 2>Does he call out and tell us or I'm wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, welcome to Krim City.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Mark Murray and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Clementine Cuneo.

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<v Speaker 3>Another week without Josh. He's still playing daddy early daddy.

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<v Speaker 4>I messaged him yesterday and said, how's the baby going?

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<v Speaker 2>Week old?

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<v Speaker 4>Baby?

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<v Speaker 2>Six days? How's the baby?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good?

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<v Speaker 4>He said, he's sleeping well, so long may it continue.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in for a red shock. This is the easy part.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the phone calls at three in the morning, saying,

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<v Speaker 3>who's been shot?

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<v Speaker 2>He'll be up, He'll be up, He'll be up. We

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<v Speaker 2>all get him back in a week me.

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<v Speaker 3>In the meantime, A few people probably know is that

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<v Speaker 3>Clem and I have worked together years ago and we've

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<v Speaker 3>covered a lot of stories together. We have and now

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<v Speaker 3>got back again. Now after you had a little hiatus

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<v Speaker 3>and baby. When around the world did start? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but I still think there are two stories that stand

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<v Speaker 3>out in my mind that you and I worked on,

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<v Speaker 3>and not just because it was you and I, but

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<v Speaker 3>they were just massive stories. Now, the biggest one I

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<v Speaker 3>can remember is Maddie Polver now Colobomber, the col Oboma

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<v Speaker 3>and we were the ones that actually tagged at the

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<v Speaker 3>Colon bomber.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember getting a phone call from you. I

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<v Speaker 1>forget what day I was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was midweek. I'm going to say it was it

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<v Speaker 4>Tuesday or a Thursday. I had a mid week day

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<v Speaker 4>off and I was over in the Mossman area. I'd

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<v Speaker 4>been for lunch and there were a lot of sirens.

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<v Speaker 4>I just remember on Military Road it was just emergency

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<v Speaker 4>vehicle after the next and I thought, you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>hear one or two go past, and you think something's

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<v Speaker 4>going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Three four.

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<v Speaker 4>When it became ten eleven, I rang you and I said,

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<v Speaker 4>it might be nothing, but I'm just letting you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm on a day off. Don't forget, but something's going

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<v Speaker 4>on over here.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember ring and getting stonewalled, which was a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit unusual, and just I think the media unit said, well, look,

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<v Speaker 3>there's just an operation.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I started to try to.

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<v Speaker 3>Ring higher up and people going, oh, mate, just stay away,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, what do you mean. They said, look,

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<v Speaker 3>we can't tell you anything. There's actually it's a secret operation.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you rang back and said that there was

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<v Speaker 4>an operation in almost the Clifton Gardens down towards the zoo,

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<v Speaker 4>and I thought, oh, I'm here, so I better go

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<v Speaker 4>and check it out. In the very beginning, we didn't

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<v Speaker 4>know what it was. We thought it was some sort

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<v Speaker 4>of hot Do we think it was hostage?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was siege or siege.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it came out that it was an eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>year old girl and there was a bomb thing going on.

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<v Speaker 4>You rang someone who said, oh, look, we don't really

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<v Speaker 4>know what it is was we've never seen a collar

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<v Speaker 4>bomb before.

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<v Speaker 3>That was about seven o'clock that night, when still no

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<v Speaker 3>one really knew what was going on. Everyone thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was a siege. And then I've rung a bloke who

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<v Speaker 3>I'd known for a long long time. He was in

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<v Speaker 3>an operations room at headquarters and he goes, Jem, we've

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<v Speaker 3>never dealt with a colobon before, said colibon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this girl's got some sort of device around her neck.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is early days of the internet. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really know what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But were twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we put it up on the internet and

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<v Speaker 1>it went crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember it was around HSC time, and there were all

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<v Speaker 4>these ridiculous stories coming out about Madeline Pulva. She's doing

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<v Speaker 4>her HSC trials.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Cue probably one of the richest streets in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Without a doubt, if not Sydney itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and oh.

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<v Speaker 4>No, this is just a ploy to avoid having to

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<v Speaker 4>do a HSC trials. Like there were all these really

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<v Speaker 4>crazy stories flying around and it wasn't until you know, if.

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<v Speaker 1>Murdoch came out. Remember he was a very senior police

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<v Speaker 1>officer who was in charge.

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<v Speaker 3>And Mark Murdoch who would come out and gave these

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<v Speaker 3>briefings almost every hour and a half or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, at the roadblock in her story, I'll never forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>And a terrific guy, a bit like Clint Eastwood.

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<v Speaker 3>He's kind of got that understated the way he talks,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was giving these updates. It took a long

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<v Speaker 3>time before it came out that literally there was a

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<v Speaker 3>policewoman the whole time they thought this bomb was active.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember it was a device around the neck, and this

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<v Speaker 3>policewoman refused to leave Maddie's side.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine terrify it?

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<v Speaker 3>And this device, this bomb was around her neck for

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<v Speaker 3>ten hours before it was deaned that it wasn't explosive.

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<v Speaker 2>So ten hours they couldn't take it off because they

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<v Speaker 2>thought they.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought it could explode.

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<v Speaker 3>They never dealt with a column, and that policewoman hung

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<v Speaker 3>there next to her for ten hours, knowing that she

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<v Speaker 3>could die with Maddie refused to leave her some of

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<v Speaker 3>the bravest police worker I've ever heard of. It was

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<v Speaker 3>a long time before the true story started coming out.

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<v Speaker 4>And the true story is that a businessman, Paul Douglas Peters,

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<v Speaker 4>who was a similar age to Maddie's dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Bill Pulver, a very very successful businessman who'd been around

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<v Speaker 3>the world Hong Kong worked in a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 3>different areas.

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<v Speaker 2>And interestingly, so had this man.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had a business office in the same offices.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there were really weird connections even or you know, parallels,

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<v Speaker 4>even though the two men didn't know each other. But

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<v Speaker 4>this guy, for whatever reason, and I don't think anyone

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<v Speaker 4>will ever know, and I don't think he's ever said,

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<v Speaker 4>targeted this young girl, broke into her house while she

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<v Speaker 4>was studying and strapped a bomb to her neck and

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<v Speaker 4>left a ransom note saying deposit you know, tens of

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<v Speaker 4>thousands of dollars was a random note on that. It

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<v Speaker 4>was bizarre, It was totally like nothing. The police had

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<v Speaker 4>ever seen before, nothing they'd ever dealt with, certainly nothing

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<v Speaker 4>that we'd ever dealt with before.

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<v Speaker 3>And it turned out that it was bits of a

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<v Speaker 3>gun safe that had been made to look like a bomb,

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<v Speaker 3>that it was all wrong, that it was not explosive,

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't dangerous. By this stage, that had made headlines

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<v Speaker 3>around the world, and then the investigation start.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a fascinating story.

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just remembering it was twenty eleven because I had

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<v Speaker 4>met my now husband, and I remember in those early

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<v Speaker 4>days we were so into the story. I had to

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<v Speaker 4>cancel a few dates with him because I was so

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<v Speaker 4>busy covering the collar bomb. And I thought, well, that's

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<v Speaker 4>a really original excuse to give for canceling a date.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nott migraine or I.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember the stomach ache wiped out my car because I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't leave here till about two in the morning because

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<v Speaker 3>the story was just evolving and evolving.

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<v Speaker 4>It was August twenty eleven, so I think that's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of trial.

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<v Speaker 1>You're at lunch. I thought you were at the hairdressers.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was definitely lunch that day.

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<v Speaker 1>You've rung me before from the hairdressers with a.

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<v Speaker 4>Tip yeah, Yeah, that was a good one. Why should

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<v Speaker 4>claim the hair never run here from the botox doctor

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<v Speaker 4>though Botox?

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<v Speaker 3>Because you're on TV now I can probably claim like

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<v Speaker 3>a hair transplant.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, jam I did write about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I was going to say something slanderous, yes, So

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<v Speaker 3>it became a massive, massive story. The two detectives on

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<v Speaker 3>it eventually went to robbery and serious kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>guy called Luke Moore because they look after kidnappings. Luke

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<v Speaker 3>Moore was a terrific policeman who's now out of the force,

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<v Speaker 3>and a young detective called Andrew Marx, who I got

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<v Speaker 3>to meet is now in homicide. These guys did amazing work.

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<v Speaker 3>They somehow tracked down via cars and computers.

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<v Speaker 4>It was now I remembered it was the email, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>And it was an email address that this Paul Douglas

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<v Speaker 4>Peters had set up saying, you know, deposit the money

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<v Speaker 4>in my bank account. And they worked out where that

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<v Speaker 4>email address had been set up. It was a hot

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<v Speaker 4>mail address.

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<v Speaker 1>As it always was regulized.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a library. I don't even know if it

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<v Speaker 2>was a library.

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<v Speaker 1>So they tracked very credentually, looked.

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<v Speaker 4>At the CCTV of the vehicles, that came about library.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 4>They got him overseas. He'd flown back to the US.

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<v Speaker 4>Police went over and they got him at his ex wife's.

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<v Speaker 1>House, brought him back.

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<v Speaker 4>He's done a ten year jail sentence. We're still here,

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<v Speaker 4>still talking about it. He's done time, he's out.

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<v Speaker 3>And the only other but really amazing thing that I remember,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was about a couple of years later, because

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<v Speaker 3>he's broken in and had a balaclava.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone said he had a balaclava.

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<v Speaker 3>Great, And then for some reason I found out there

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<v Speaker 3>was a court document and I googled.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd learned to use Google by then.

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<v Speaker 3>I had cutting edge, and I googled the type of balaclava.

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<v Speaker 4>It was because it was fought from just jeans and

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<v Speaker 4>it was quite specific the brand, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It ended up being a multi colored clown balaclava.

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<v Speaker 2>Rick show like colored neon colored stripes.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the ummie she had. It was just a

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<v Speaker 1>black baklava.

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<v Speaker 3>Scary, but this one was freak show and that's what

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<v Speaker 3>she was confronted with now, her father, Bill Polver.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually met him a few times. With the conviction

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<v Speaker 1>and the arrest.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a huge drinks with all the coppers and

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<v Speaker 3>Bill polv a lovely blow and we all go on

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<v Speaker 3>drink and chatting. And at the time I asked about

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<v Speaker 3>his daughter, and very very protective, he said, well, she's

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<v Speaker 3>doing great.

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<v Speaker 1>We're helping her with bring her along. And I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>that image twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>Hours, thinking you could get blown to bits, the image

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<v Speaker 3>of a guy in this multi colored freak.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, she's now gone on to have real she finished

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<v Speaker 1>her HS.

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<v Speaker 4>She's married and she's had a baby. Her family were fabulous.

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<v Speaker 4>As far as handling the media, I mean, you get

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<v Speaker 4>two very different extremes. You get people who detest the

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<v Speaker 4>media won't have a bar of them and that's okay,

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<v Speaker 4>and you get the poolvers were amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>They were amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd take all our calls.

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<v Speaker 4>He didn't outsourced to someone to handle the median inquiries,

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<v Speaker 4>and my good they were a lot. Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 4>always really facilitating. So that was a huge story. I

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<v Speaker 4>think of it every time I drive over towards Mossman.

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<v Speaker 3>I think of that story and the other one I

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<v Speaker 3>remember working on, and it's we've talked about it. It's

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<v Speaker 3>probably when you talk crime, you're normally talking horrible stories,

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<v Speaker 3>and this one in some ways is one of the

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<v Speaker 3>happiest but also saddest. And this is this is the

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<v Speaker 3>vicious assault, the gate crashing assault of a young man

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<v Speaker 3>called Liam Knight at an eighteenth birthday party over at Francis.

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<v Speaker 2>Forest in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there you go, and I remember I was actually

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<v Speaker 3>a chief of staff and on the Sunday morning my

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<v Speaker 3>phone rang. There'd been a story about Lamb Night, this

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<v Speaker 3>gate crashing. Now this is to go back.

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<v Speaker 1>This was so bad.

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<v Speaker 3>These girls had tried to come along to a party

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<v Speaker 3>and they had invited some guys from Balmain and Ryde

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<v Speaker 3>and you remember they were over Francis Forest, Leafy north Shore.

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<v Speaker 1>As you say, they were turned back in it and

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<v Speaker 1>somebody got a piece of the building rod I forget

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<v Speaker 1>how it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was Rio Steele there.

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<v Speaker 3>You go, and had thrown it over the fence and

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<v Speaker 3>it has hit Lilliam in the head. Now this was

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<v Speaker 3>a six foot piece and the really vivid memory is

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<v Speaker 3>that they had to sore to get him into the ambulance.

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<v Speaker 4>Because they couldn't It was embedded in his head so

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<v Speaker 4>far that they couldn't remove it. He had to go

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<v Speaker 4>to hospital to have it removed. But they couldn't fit

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<v Speaker 4>him in the ambulance.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it was protruding. And I remember the next day

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<v Speaker 3>because there was a photo then published in one of

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<v Speaker 3>the Sunday papers that had Liam in a hood. It

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't a nice flattering photo, and I remember thinking, Christ,

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<v Speaker 3>if you make him it looks like it, it looks

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<v Speaker 3>like in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Sunday paper was a picture of him, saying, this is

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<v Speaker 4>the boy who was the victim of a gate crashing incident.

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<v Speaker 4>You know he's in hospital fighting for life. But yes,

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<v Speaker 4>the picture wasn't just look like what you choose as

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<v Speaker 4>a parent. He had a hood on. He looked like

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<v Speaker 4>a bit of a thug.

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<v Speaker 1>Very very early Sunday morning.

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<v Speaker 3>And I got in here without a hangover I often

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<v Speaker 3>do sometimes, and the phone went and it was Mary.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Liam's mother, and she was distraught about.

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<v Speaker 2>So ringing on the landline.

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<v Speaker 1>On the landline. We used to have them.

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<v Speaker 2>What they're called.

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<v Speaker 4>No, we didn't know her. She's called the landline. You've

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<v Speaker 4>picked it up without a hangover.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's how we used to get stories people. And

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<v Speaker 3>she was talking about how upset she was about the.

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<v Speaker 2>Photo, and she was pretty fired up memory and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Started talking to her and her argument.

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<v Speaker 4>Was, how dare you you make him look like?

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<v Speaker 3>And then we started talking and she said, I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry. Look, I'll try and rect the front. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you have any other photos? And I think I was

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to go over I can't remember. And

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<v Speaker 3>we started talking and she was an amazing lady and

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<v Speaker 3>proven to me since she said, you don't know what happened,

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<v Speaker 3>she said, he's.

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<v Speaker 1>A lovely boy. Well, she said, this is at.

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<v Speaker 3>Like eight o'clock in the morning, and that she went

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<v Speaker 3>through the story. She said she rang lean at about

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<v Speaker 3>eleven thirty and a police officer answered the pharm Now,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a parent, god, you go to ring your

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen year old son. I didn't know that, yeah, And

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<v Speaker 3>then she raced to Royal North Shore was told that

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<v Speaker 3>her son was in a critical condition and she said

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<v Speaker 3>three times during the night they said go in and

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<v Speaker 3>say goodbye, and she said, I'm not going to say goodbye.

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<v Speaker 3>They said your son mightn't make it. She said, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to he's going to make it. I'm not saying goodbye.

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<v Speaker 3>It was amazing because he came.

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<v Speaker 4>Through it, came through it. He's now married with a baby.

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<v Speaker 4>He is the most incredible, incredible survival story.

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<v Speaker 2>They are the most delightful family.

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<v Speaker 4>And who knows, but I think you could probably put

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<v Speaker 4>it down to a lot of things, but largely the

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<v Speaker 4>most incredible paramedics and emergency doctors at the scene. Do

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<v Speaker 4>you remember sixty minutes did a big thing on how

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<v Speaker 4>they had to bring.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember Mary ringing me up and saying, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go with sixty minutes. We have to,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, She said, we need the money, oh, the rehabilitation.

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<v Speaker 2>Humble, oh, beautiful family.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she said terrific lady, And and well as

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<v Speaker 3>great as survival story as it is. Especially a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of years later talking to Liam and talking to Mary

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<v Speaker 3>and the mother.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, yeah, but he loved Dozsie rules. He couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>kick a football the way he used to.

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<v Speaker 3>He slowly got his memory back, he went back to

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<v Speaker 3>school and did his HSC.

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<v Speaker 1>So terrific, but he still feels very robbed of those years.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, remember, well, tell.

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<v Speaker 3>You now that the guy's responsible or involved in the

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<v Speaker 3>guy that threw that is not in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd definitely be out. The guy that threw the spear was.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were young, Remember we could have.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever at the time he was sentenced to eight years jail.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's out now and he probably got paroled.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh so well and truly out. Yes, the takeaway from

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<v Speaker 4>it all is that Liam is fabulous. He's brought a house.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm his Facebook friend, so I see what goes on

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<v Speaker 4>or Instagram. He's bought a house, he's married, they've got

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<v Speaker 4>a beautiful little boy. Like you said, the most of

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<v Speaker 4>the stories we cover are doom and gloom, and they

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<v Speaker 4>don't have happy happy. I didn't want to see.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have into that. I know, I know for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't have said that anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But Liam's it's a great story.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, really it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And same with Maddie. Actually we've picked two stories without knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>It that actually have happy endings.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't die, No, they don't, and you know, they go.

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<v Speaker 3>Through trauma and coming out through the other side and

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<v Speaker 3>the crooks have got locked up.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, we actually came up with them.

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<v Speaker 3>There we are happy stories. Thanks for listening to Krim City.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Clem.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure whether I prefer your Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>I prefer Josh doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got to thank executive producer Dan Box and everybody

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<v Speaker 3>else who've helped on this podcast that canna work, okay done,