Speaker 1: From the sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Happy Wednesday. All lots to get to tonight. Let's not
Speaker 2: muck around.
Speaker 1: I need the full hour with you now.
Speaker 2: Before I get to the news, the politics, the stuff
Speaker 2: that I know you here for the name meet.
Speaker 1: Congratulations to a dear friend of ours, Nicholas Race.
Speaker 2: Of course, long time part of what we've done here
Speaker 2: for years and years and years. As you know, we've
Speaker 2: agreed on every single issue, and you've cheered on every
Speaker 2: opinion he's ever had. But no, seriously, he's a good guy.
Speaker 2: He's been a mate for a very long time. I
Speaker 2: admire anyone who's willing to come in here and have
Speaker 2: the debate. But the reason we open the show tonight
Speaker 2: is Nicholas is now.
Speaker 1: The Lord Mayor of Melbourne.
Speaker 2: He ascended to the position in a ceremony that took
Speaker 2: place yesterday and this boy is now very proud as
Speaker 2: the leader of a great city and a man who
Speaker 2: I think will do great things.
Speaker 1: So congratulations to him.
Speaker 2: He's saying, among other things, he wants to get on
Speaker 2: top of safety in the city and also to literally
Speaker 2: at times clean it up.
Speaker 1: Here is what the Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Candidate says now that he is the mayor of Melbourne.
Speaker 1: Good on you, Nicholas. It's an extraordinary honor. It's a privilege.
Speaker 3: You know, I mentioned I came to Melbourne from another country.
Speaker 3: I came here as a kid and lived my life here,
Speaker 3: and my Melbourne story has been a story about a family,
Speaker 3: working hard, life getting better. And now to be bringing
Speaker 3: my family up here in the city of Melbourne and
Speaker 3: to be serving here at town Hall, it's the absolutely
Speaker 3: honor and privilege.
Speaker 1: Of my life. Now.
Speaker 2: It's one thing for those of us who talk about
Speaker 2: politics all the time. It's another things for people like
Speaker 2: Nicholas who've worked behind the scenes in service of premiers,
Speaker 2: of labor leaders.
Speaker 1: And of course of prime ministers.
Speaker 2: But when it is you that history is calling upon,
Speaker 2: you can see that the enormity of it is well
Speaker 2: and truly dawning on him. And one more time, congratulations
Speaker 2: to you, Nicholas.
Speaker 3: Look, I think community safety and city cleanliness is going
Speaker 3: to be at the top of the agenda. I think
Speaker 3: Melbourne is a safe city, but we can do better
Speaker 3: and I think the city also can do better in
Speaker 3: terms of cleanliness.
Speaker 2: Now, as you know, we've got a deal which is
Speaker 2: all Paul Murray Loo viewers do not have to pay
Speaker 2: parking fines anywhere in Melbourne. Oh no, we haven't formally
Speaker 2: got that deal yet, but it's on its way never.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: As you know, Australians are absolute We talked about this
Speaker 2: last night, that the joints headed in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: Lots of different reasons, but principally of course, about the
Speaker 2: government's failure when it comes to cost of living. To
Speaker 2: give you an idea of where this is. From the
Speaker 2: start of the Urbanese government, only thirty percent of people
Speaker 2: think we're in the right place.
Speaker 1: That's way down. The number of people who.
Speaker 2: Are unsure has basically halved, and the result is twenty
Speaker 2: seven percent. More than a quarter of people have joined
Speaker 2: those of us who believe that this government was going
Speaker 2: to take us in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: It's confirmed fifty four percent of.
Speaker 2: Australians believing that the country is headed in the wrong direction. Now,
Speaker 2: I believe that there are plenty of examples of it
Speaker 2: and indices of it each and every day, each and
Speaker 2: every night. The great golf between what was promised and
Speaker 2: what the reality is, the great golf between what they
Speaker 2: claim is their priority and the way that they actually behave.
Speaker 2: But what shifted people in the past couple of weeks
Speaker 2: since the last time this poll was taken and it
Speaker 2: was just below fifty percent. The five point jump in
Speaker 2: just one pole, Well, it's the reality of the economy
Speaker 2: that this Prime Minister, this Treasurer and this Labor Party
Speaker 2: is in charge of.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: To go into a recession, you need to have negative
Speaker 2: economic growth for two consecutive quarters.
Speaker 1: That's six months.
Speaker 2: To give you an idea of just how close we
Speaker 2: are to starting to go backwards. The Australian economy at
Speaker 2: last check is growing zero point one percent.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: It is technically idling with a slight turn of the tires,
Speaker 2: but that's it. Nothing's really going on. In terms of
Speaker 2: the inflation rate, it needs to be between two and
Speaker 2: three percent for the Reserve Bank to do anything. In May,
Speaker 2: one of the three months that will be counted towards,
Speaker 2: the inflation rate over the quarter is four percent. It's
Speaker 2: been going back up. The concern is that with all
Speaker 2: of this the Reserve Bank will yet again put up
Speaker 2: interest rates. This matters so desperately for the two thirds
Speaker 2: of Australia that is paying off a house. They live
Speaker 2: in or are paying off a house that is an
Speaker 2: investment property. I understand for those people who've got money
Speaker 2: in the bank and savings, higher interstrates is good. There
Speaker 2: are also flow ons to things like credit cards. So
Speaker 2: for the majority of Australians, they do not like the
Speaker 2: news that the rates are going up, and of course
Speaker 2: they have gone up thirteen times since May twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Thirteen sorry, twelve of the thirteen under this government, twelve
Speaker 2: of the thirteen. If the Prime Minister, of course tries
Speaker 2: to pretend it's everyone's problem, please, if one interistrate reason,
Speaker 2: one interstrate rise in May of twenty twenty two was
Speaker 2: the reason to change the government, what do we say
Speaker 2: after thirteen? We'll get ready now for the magical fourteenth
Speaker 2: to drop. Because in the meeting that they had just
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, the Reserve Bank didn't even
Speaker 2: talk about cutting it and they barely had to be
Speaker 2: talked out and just talked out of actually raising interest rates.
Speaker 2: The reality when it comes to inflation being at four
Speaker 2: percent or higher and to get it down to between
Speaker 2: two and three percent means people like John Kierre, writing
Speaker 2: in the Financial Review says not one, but multiple multiple
Speaker 2: interest rate rises are on their way. Now you know
Speaker 2: this picture, and this is why so many people are
Speaker 2: feeling right on the edge, and I mean right.
Speaker 1: On the edge.
Speaker 2: Well, one of the pieces of data that they look
Speaker 2: at to work out whether the economy overall is slowing,
Speaker 2: whether there is less spending going on inside and in
Speaker 2: part that are the things that can lead into inflation,
Speaker 2: is what's happening at the shops. Well, today we got
Speaker 2: from the same people who are telling us inflation is
Speaker 2: going up, that being the Reserve Bank, and that the
Speaker 2: economy is just barely existing, let alone actually moving forward. Well,
Speaker 2: the end of year's sales are now sort of in
Speaker 2: the review mirror, and we are now starting to see
Speaker 2: that there was actually an uptick and the number of
Speaker 2: people who were buying things from the shops. Now, all
Speaker 2: of this matters because if the spending keeps going, then
Speaker 2: the people who've got the money are really putting the
Speaker 2: pressure on the people who don't have the money who
Speaker 2: are paying off their houses. The Reserve Bank looks at
Speaker 2: these changes like this one today about all the different
Speaker 2: sectors we're spending is going up, and they put that
Speaker 2: into the basket of the case for the rise inflation
Speaker 2: is already there, and now this gets added to it.
Speaker 2: As you can see, these are ever so slight, but
Speaker 2: still more spending on food, more spending on household goods,
Speaker 2: more spending on clothing, less spending in department stores, less
Speaker 2: spending in cafes.
Speaker 1: But overall it went up. And that means we.
Speaker 2: Start looking down the barrel of an almost inevitability I
Speaker 2: hope not, I hope not, but an almost inevitability of
Speaker 2: another interest rate rise. And with fifty four percent of
Speaker 2: the country knowing that the government's taken us in the
Speaker 2: wrong direction, imagine what that number becomes when there's yet
Speaker 2: another interest rate rise, one that yet again the government
Speaker 2: will try to blame on anyone else, but of course
Speaker 2: will be of their making. The promise was that all
Speaker 2: of the decisions that were made in the federal budget
Speaker 2: were not going to affect inflation. We're not going to
Speaker 2: push the Reserve Bank into raising interest rates again tonight.
Speaker 2: It's hard to find anyone who thinks that it won't
Speaker 2: result in an interest rate rise, much sooner rather than later,
Speaker 2: let alone multiples. Hence why Peter Dutton asks the direct
Speaker 2: question that the majority of Australians are worried about.
Speaker 5: After two years of the Albanezi government decisions driving up inflation.
Speaker 5: The new loan variable interest rate is six point three percent,
Speaker 5: costing Australian found was an extra twenty one.
Speaker 1: Thousand dollars in after tax dollars.
Speaker 5: Why WoT the Prime Minister admit that his three hundred
Speaker 5: and fifteen billion dollar spending spree is driving homegrown inflation
Speaker 5: and threatening further interest rate increases into the future.
Speaker 1: Will it surprise you?
Speaker 2: The de man who was Chris Kenny and Ray Hadley
Speaker 2: quite correctly point out, is never responsible for anything, doesn't
Speaker 2: answer a direct question that is the single biggest concern
Speaker 2: in Australia, no matter where you live.
Speaker 6: I thank the Leader of the Opposition for his question,
Speaker 6: which goes to a comparison of where the Australian economy
Speaker 6: was in twenty twenty two and where it is now.
Speaker 1: Extraordinary.
Speaker 2: Remember, inflation was starting to come down, but it was
Speaker 2: still too high, meaning that things were costing more than
Speaker 2: they did twelve months ago, and of course they were
Speaker 2: costing more than twelve months before that. And that's the
Speaker 2: whole story of the economy under the Albanese government. Pretending
Speaker 2: that crumbs off the table two little too late tax
Speaker 2: cuts magically saves everything. Well, how many times can I
Speaker 2: show you the proof? Because you know it in your heart,
Speaker 2: they're not able to pull off the jedimind trick. The
Speaker 2: BS only works so far. Normal people are frightened about
Speaker 2: the of the economy right now, and they are frightened
Speaker 2: of the people who are now in charge of it.
Speaker 2: They can blame everyone else, but we know it is them.
Speaker 2: They are the ones who turn around them whenever anything
Speaker 2: is mildly okay, it's all their responsibility. Every job that's
Speaker 2: ever crowded in the country, they're directly linked to well,
Speaker 2: they of course are directly linked to inflation, and therefore,
Speaker 2: in my view, they're directly linked to interest rates. Australians
Speaker 2: know it, they're starting to say it to the pollsters,
Speaker 2: and it will haunt this government if there is at
Speaker 2: least one and just one further interest rate rise. Meantime,
Speaker 2: where people are trying to keep the head above water.
Speaker 2: For many people is credit cards, and as you know,
Speaker 2: that is just a fool's game. Now, I, like many people,
Speaker 2: when I got one too young, you ring it up
Speaker 2: and then thankfully you get a tax return. You're able
Speaker 2: to push it down a little bit and then you
Speaker 2: ring it up again and it is just a world
Speaker 2: of pain. So we learned today via The Australian about
Speaker 2: the amount of debt and it's now dangerous levels of
Speaker 2: debt that are around when it comes to credit cards.
Speaker 2: How's this half eight billion, repeat five hundred million dollars
Speaker 2: a painful credit card debt has been added to Australian
Speaker 2: finances in just six months. Why cost of living? If
Speaker 2: you don't have money in the bank, and we've told
Speaker 2: you before about nine million people have less than one
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in the bank, most of that is about
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty dollars. Well, you have to find
Speaker 2: some way to pay for things, so you apply for it,
Speaker 2: you get a credit card, and we collectively have a
Speaker 2: bill that is growing by the minute. The latest Reserve
Speaker 2: Bank credit card figure show credit card balances occurring interests
Speaker 2: of jumps from eighteen point one billion dollars now eighteen
Speaker 2: point five about eighty point six billion dollars, and that
Speaker 2: since November of twenty twenty three, reversing a long running
Speaker 2: trend where Australians had been able to have their debts
Speaker 2: over the past twelve years. But now, of course they supercharge.
Speaker 2: People will blame the government because the government is involved,
Speaker 2: the government is responsible, and the government makes decisions that
Speaker 2: make it worse just because they try to come up
Speaker 2: with a way of accounting that makes them look good overall.
Speaker 2: You know, in your life, the per cap at a
Speaker 2: recession with the crushing amount of debt that costs more
Speaker 2: because of the cost of funding that debt or paying
Speaker 2: it off, be at your home, your credit card, or
Speaker 2: any other loan.
Speaker 1: Enough.
Speaker 2: Now, remember they say, oh, well, let's compare well again,
Speaker 2: let's compare Australia with places like the United Kingdom and
Speaker 2: the United States, which are planning to get rid of
Speaker 2: their current governments UK first, most likely US later in
Speaker 2: the year. Their inflation rate is coas to half of
Speaker 2: what we currently are. So if that's good enough to
Speaker 2: dune those governments may be so for this one when
Speaker 2: their time comes, hopefully sooner rather than later. Now, normally,
Speaker 2: you know, I sort of end the overall discussion at
Speaker 2: the start of the show with something about the United States.
Speaker 2: But what is happening right now in and around Joe
Speaker 2: Biden deserves a little more time and a little more prominence.
Speaker 2: Believe me, you have not heard what you are about
Speaker 2: to hear here, because this is how I'm spending my day,
Speaker 2: on top of everything else, trying to watch the little
Speaker 2: bits of data. Now, as you know, Biden absolutely blew
Speaker 2: up his political career at that debate, which is now
Speaker 2: a week in the rearview mirror. But how many people
Speaker 2: saw it, how many people won't forget it, And this
Speaker 2: is the guy who's trying to reapply for the job
Speaker 2: for another four years. It's unbelievable. The contest of courses
Speaker 2: between this guy who we were told was bulletproof and
Speaker 2: strong versus this guy who, no matter how many times
Speaker 2: he gets hit, no matter what happens to him, from
Speaker 2: court rooms to Congress and all the rest of it,
Speaker 2: he's powering on. Now, as you know, there is the
Speaker 2: national vote, and lots of polls will talk about national votes.
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter in the.
Speaker 2: Same way that Australia has safe seats and marginal seats.
Speaker 2: You need to think about that in terms of the
Speaker 2: different states. Now, have a look at this map. These
Speaker 2: are what I referred to as the swing states. That's
Speaker 2: the brown there. Now those states are starting at the
Speaker 2: top and moving in a clockwise direction, it's Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia,
Speaker 2: and the bottom right then across to Arizona and Nevada.
Speaker 2: Right now now, with no indication about who's going to
Speaker 2: win those seats, you need two hundred and seventy to
Speaker 2: win the electoral College Republicans Trump to thirty five, Democrats
Speaker 2: Biden to twenty six. So these are the states that
Speaker 2: make the decisions well after the debate. There are people who,
Speaker 2: of course are doing plenty behind the scenes that they
Speaker 2: are not willing to say publicly, and that of course
Speaker 2: is to push Biden out of the way.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course they want to push him out of the
Speaker 2: way because they believe that he cannot win the election.
Speaker 2: The Biden camp, however, of course, is doing everything they can,
Speaker 2: including discussing moving up the formal nomination not from the
Speaker 2: end of August where the convention will take place, but
Speaker 2: to do it over zoom in maybe the next couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. So they're trying to fortify and lock themselves
Speaker 2: in well, just like when a party is trying to
Speaker 2: move against a prime minister. In Australia, they talk about
Speaker 2: polls and internal polls, and there was an attempt from
Speaker 2: someone inside Biden world to suggest, oh, there's a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of secret inside polls that show we haven't lost
Speaker 2: any support since the debate.
Speaker 1: But the reality.
Speaker 2: Is that they were losing in all of those swing
Speaker 2: states or most of those swing states. So their argument
Speaker 2: is trust us, we're losing, but not as badly as
Speaker 2: you think. That was in Puck, which is an inside
Speaker 2: political newsletter service, but they had the exclusive about the
Speaker 2: polling meantime, So polling has come in a place where
Speaker 2: the Democrats won by a big margin last time, and
Speaker 2: that's the state of New Hampshire that is now apparently
Speaker 2: on the table as a potential swing state. So now
Speaker 2: according to the inside polling which is being leaked by
Speaker 2: the Biden campaign on one side to say they're not
Speaker 2: going backwards, but clearly if you read it, shows they're
Speaker 2: still losing. Plus some new polling that makes some things
Speaker 2: even more competitive than anyone thinks. The list of swing
Speaker 2: states now is, let's go clockwork again, Wisconsin, Michigan. Then
Speaker 2: right up in the top right hand corner is New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Then it's down to Pennsylvania Virginia, which is the state
Speaker 2: basically that surrounds Washington, DC. Lots of public servant types there.
Speaker 2: Then the further you get out from DC, you get
Speaker 2: into Maga Country, then into Georgia, then into Arizona, than
Speaker 2: into Nevada. Again, Trump's number stays at two hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty five, but Biden's number goes from two hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty six down to two nine. You see what's happening here.
Speaker 2: So let's imagine all of the polls that currently exist
Speaker 2: where Trump is in front are all true, and he
Speaker 2: wins each and every one of those states. He has
Speaker 2: to get to two hundred and seventy, but the numbers
Speaker 2: are even bigger than the margin that he had in
Speaker 2: twenty and sixteen. Now, he would win New Hampshire, he
Speaker 2: would win Virginia, sorry, he would win Pennsylvania. He would
Speaker 2: win Georgia, he would win Arizona, he would win Nevada.
Speaker 2: He would also win Michigan. So even if he ran
Speaker 2: that full table, he's well and truly over and he's
Speaker 2: still got three states to spare that currently a lion
Speaker 2: ball Minnesota, a stronghold of the Blue team, Wisconsin, which
Speaker 2: Biden won last time, and again Virginia. All of this
Speaker 2: very damn close. And all of this is to try
Speaker 2: to explain what you've seen with your own eyes. Biden
Speaker 2: cannot continue as the candidate, let alone the president. But
Speaker 2: because of course all of the people around Biden would
Speaker 2: all lose their jobs if he gave up the presidency, well,
Speaker 2: all of those people are now trying to do everything
Speaker 2: they can to rig the system to make sure that
Speaker 2: he's locked in, and they have no other option than
Speaker 2: to go over the cliff Fillmoran Luiz with him. So
Speaker 2: just like a prime minister, so I say, like Malcolm Turbule,
Speaker 2: who thinks that the way that he can show how
Speaker 2: strong he is, which is to call an empty seat chair,
Speaker 2: That of course exposed how many people in the room
Speaker 2: are willing to vote against him. And it was the
Speaker 2: beginning of the inn and he was gone within.
Speaker 1: A few days.
Speaker 2: So let me explain again from the media that have
Speaker 2: told us this bloke's okay, nothing to see here. Trump's
Speaker 2: the big problem. They're looking at the polls and this
Speaker 2: is what they say about what's happening, both in front
Speaker 2: and behind the Saints.
Speaker 4: I mean, these numbers are atrocious for Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: That's the only way you can put.
Speaker 7: It, And you know, I just think you have to
Speaker 7: take back a step and look at where we were
Speaker 7: four years ago. At this point, Joe Biden was leading
Speaker 7: Donald Trump by nine points. This is just a completely
Speaker 7: different race, one in which Donald Trump has led basically continuously,
Speaker 7: at least during twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: When I look at polls like this and you.
Speaker 7: See the first call for Joe Biden to get out
Speaker 7: of the race from a member of Congress on the
Speaker 7: Democratic side, I don't think polling like this will stop
Speaker 7: those calls. I would only expect them to get louder.
Speaker 2: So, just locking an Australian system, there might be lots
Speaker 2: of people who want to dump the Prime minister, but
Speaker 2: somebody's going to be willing to put the hand up
Speaker 2: to do it. Now, the most likely, the most obvious,
Speaker 2: would be Biden's Vice president, Kamala Harris. Now, Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: on lots of polling for a long period of time,
Speaker 2: has been more unpopular than Joe Biden. So the assumption
Speaker 2: being that you have to somehow jump over Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: and find somebody else. But the reason why Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: would be the number one draft pick of the post
Speaker 2: Biden era is because every dollar that has been raised
Speaker 2: for Joe Biden has also been raised for Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: And under the law, the two hundred and forty million
Speaker 2: dollars which has already been raised by the Biden campaign
Speaker 2: automatically would flow to the Harris campaign. But again, under
Speaker 2: those laws, the two hundred and forty million dollars would
Speaker 2: not be able to be moved anywhere else.
Speaker 1: A quarter of a b billion.
Speaker 2: Dollars can't go to another candidate. It's stuck in Biden
Speaker 2: or Harris. Which brings this to a very important person,
Speaker 2: a man by the name of James Clyburn. James Clyburn
Speaker 2: is a legendary figure of the civil rights movement. I'm
Speaker 2: on South Carolina, and he's a man who, when he
Speaker 2: endorses you, is able to move the entire political machinery,
Speaker 2: which has been quite influential over African Americans, to the
Speaker 2: candidate that he wants. Now, remember when Biden was first
Speaker 2: looking week and first looking like the guy who wouldn't
Speaker 2: even get the Democratic nomination in twenty and twenty, after
Speaker 2: he got belted in Iowa, destroyed in New Hampshire, it
Speaker 2: was James Clyburn who decided to put his effort and
Speaker 2: his support behind Joe Biden. That meant that the southern
Speaker 2: state of South Carolina voted for Joe Biden, and all
Speaker 2: of the southern states that followed voted for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: He became the nominee, and that of course set him
Speaker 2: on a path towards the presidency. What's he saying about
Speaker 2: anything but Biden or Harris? No muss, he says. If
Speaker 2: it ain't Joe, it's definitely Carmala.
Speaker 8: No, this spider should not in any way do anything
Speaker 8: to work around miss Harris. We said, do everything we
Speaker 8: can to bolster her, whether it's the second place or
Speaker 8: at the top of the ticket.
Speaker 2: So now that she becomes a more realistic one, because firstly,
Speaker 2: that infrastructure that helped get Biden to the White House
Speaker 2: would presumably fall.
Speaker 1: In behind her.
Speaker 2: The money that's been raised by Biden would presumably fall
Speaker 2: in behind her. What do the polls look like, Well,
Speaker 2: she is still losing. The margin would be ever so
Speaker 2: slightly less, but according to national polls, and we don't
Speaker 2: have the breakdown of all of those swing or marginal states,
Speaker 2: so I can't go any deeper than the headline.
Speaker 1: She's still losing to Trump.
Speaker 7: Joe Biden is trailing Donald Trump by six percentage points.
Speaker 7: But look at this first, as Kamala Harris the vice president,
Speaker 7: it's just a two point race with no clear leader.
Speaker 7: So when I look at poles like this and you
Speaker 7: see the first coll for Joe Biden to get out
Speaker 7: of the race from a member of Congress on the
Speaker 7: Democratic side, I don't think polling lies. We'll stop those calls.
Speaker 7: I would only expect them to get louder if polling
Speaker 7: like this holes and other surveys.
Speaker 2: So if the savior is Harris, because the money and
Speaker 2: the infrastructure of the African American vote, particularly African American
Speaker 2: women who will and truly back in Democrats, they don't
Speaker 2: turn up, you don't win, is all behind Harris. But
Speaker 2: she's still losing.
Speaker 1: Would they be willing to make the change now?
Speaker 2: She obviously has to be willing to inherit what Biden
Speaker 2: won't give up. But the pressure is for Biden to
Speaker 2: give up because there is no path at this moment
Speaker 2: for him to be able to win. So let's get
Speaker 2: back to the debate. Because as many days have passed
Speaker 2: and the best part of a week, we've gone from
Speaker 2: he had a cold, he had a bad night. To
Speaker 2: now deeper excuses from the Biden campaign about why we
Speaker 2: all saw what we saw, which was the weakest American
Speaker 2: president in our lifetime, desperately unable to defend himself little
Speaker 2: and attack his opposition, let alone state the case for
Speaker 2: why he deserves another four years. Well, he is blaming
Speaker 2: how's this international travel for why we all saw what
Speaker 2: we saw. The only problem is that he returned to
Speaker 2: the United States eleven days before the debate. Eleven days
Speaker 2: he went to Camp David for a week. This was
Speaker 2: after he had spent two days at his home in
Speaker 2: Delaware getting rid of the jet lag. If you can't
Speaker 2: get rid of jet lag in eleven days, how can
Speaker 2: you even pretend you can be the president of the
Speaker 2: United States today, let alone go around for another four years. Well,
Speaker 2: this is an insight into the cluster that was preparing
Speaker 2: him for the debate and the mask finally slipping for
Speaker 2: us all to see what we're all known since he
Speaker 2: was being hidden in the basement, he can't do it.
Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
Speaker 2: The preparations which took place over six days, never started
Speaker 2: before eleven am. Mister Biden was also give in time
Speaker 2: for an afternoon nap every day, so Biden World think
Speaker 2: they can somehow push it out. Biden World think they
Speaker 2: can fiddle with the dates, get him locked in, and
Speaker 2: therefore it doesn't matter anymore. You've got to get in
Speaker 2: behind him, because just the same way you did when
Speaker 2: he was the nominee in twenty when he was hiding
Speaker 2: in the basement in twenty the same would happen again
Speaker 2: in twenty four. But I want to show you something
Speaker 2: that is an example of even the hardest of hardcore
Speaker 2: supporters of Joe Biden in the media, the ones who
Speaker 2: said that anyone who said that this guy has got
Speaker 2: to give it up is a bedweather and doesn't understand
Speaker 2: and is part of the old school media complex. I
Speaker 2: turned to a guy who hardcore viewers may remember was
Speaker 2: a host on the channel MSNBC for a long time.
Speaker 2: But this is about as hardcore has left his get
Speaker 2: Keith Oberman.
Speaker 1: The day after the debate.
Speaker 4: Biden is not dropping out of the presidential rate. And
Speaker 4: there is a theory now abroad in the land that
Speaker 4: the entire debate debacle Thursday night may have owed to
Speaker 4: over the counter cold medication. If he had a cold,
Speaker 4: and he had cold medication. It could have been the
Speaker 4: cause of his problems.
Speaker 1: All the data, all the reality here, he is to die.
Speaker 4: This is an assessment of developments during the day Tuesday.
Speaker 4: But I think now the president is going to stand
Speaker 4: down from the ticket and Kamala Harris will replace him
Speaker 4: as the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: I think there's also a fifty to fifty.
Speaker 4: Chance that Biden will resign his office before the election.
Speaker 1: That's one hell of a turn.
Speaker 2: But of course, if Biden he's not fit enough to
Speaker 2: run for re election, then how is he fit enough
Speaker 2: to be the president? Which brings me to the most
Speaker 2: scary piece of news I can possibly give you on
Speaker 2: this story tonight.
Speaker 1: Guess what China did today.
Speaker 2: Has been participating in military simulations of attacking fighter bases
Speaker 2: owned by the United States.
Speaker 1: That's why it matters.
Speaker 2: If Biden is not fit enough to run for reelection,
Speaker 2: then he is not fit enough to be the president.
Speaker 1: Today.
Speaker 2: What happens with an election, be it Biden or Harris
Speaker 2: both currently lose to Trump, and between now and when
Speaker 2: presumably Trump takes office in January of next year, China
Speaker 2: practices how to blow up American air bases.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Chris Kenney this afternoon had a lamentable example of one
Speaker 2: of these idiots that are trying to make the point
Speaker 2: in and around climate change. But often people will ask,
Speaker 2: you know, how do people like this get made? This
Speaker 2: is a perfect example of somebody who is part of
Speaker 2: the doomsday cold who believes that unless you believe how
Speaker 2: they believe about the urgency of the need to deal
Speaker 2: with one percent of the world's climate change emissions, then
Speaker 2: somehow you don't get it. Oh yeah, and Australia is
Speaker 2: on stolen land.
Speaker 9: Hi there, everybody, My name is Sky. I'm twenty two.
Speaker 9: Are you shear their pronounce? And I am currently.
Speaker 1: On a tree set.
Speaker 9: I'm here on one a real country. I am here
Speaker 9: for climate justice. So sow it sucks. I mean the
Speaker 9: continent itself, whatever you won't to call that continent is
Speaker 9: a very beautiful place. But it's built on extraction. It's
Speaker 9: built on stolen land. The nation state is built on
Speaker 9: stolen land. We export nothing but coal, weapons and misery.
Speaker 2: Don't get me started on where the clothes come from.
Speaker 2: Let's not break it to him that the bolt is
Speaker 2: sorry to them in their nose, didn't grow on a tree.
Speaker 2: But how do you get to this worldview that everything
Speaker 2: stuffed in Australia is terrible? Perfect example of it today
Speaker 2: via the Daily Telegraph that students in public schools in
Speaker 2: New South Wales, in a specific public school, we're apparently
Speaker 2: being told not just welcome to country, but also hands
Speaker 2: on the ground and say always was, always will be
Speaker 2: Aboriginal Land. Inside the story, students at Sydney primary schools
Speaker 2: are being told to put their hands on the ground
Speaker 2: and repeat always was, always will be Aboriginal Land as
Speaker 2: part of the acknowledgment of country ceremony before each assembly.
Speaker 2: So you want to know how you end up in
Speaker 2: a place where you say things like that bloke did
Speaker 2: as part of the doomsday cult, Well it starts here
Speaker 2: where a movement of people do not care what you
Speaker 2: and I think because they think you and I will
Speaker 2: eventually just move away and will be replaced by a
Speaker 2: whole new group of people who will not need to
Speaker 2: be brought over to the cause and said it will
Speaker 2: be seated inside them before they even know they are
Speaker 2: part of the cause. How did this happen? Not because
Speaker 2: of a rogue teacher, but because of the teachers Federation
Speaker 2: in New South Wales. Now they have had a very strong,
Speaker 2: very aggressive position which they claim is a very progressive position,
Speaker 2: which is of course to have more Welcome to Country
Speaker 2: ceremonies to mainstream them as they have now. The Teachers
Speaker 2: Federation in New South Wales is not some side group.
Speaker 2: They are of course the chief union representing public school
Speaker 2: teachers in New South Wales. You see them marching for
Speaker 2: pay and conditions. The same people at the six PM
Speaker 2: years will often try to turn around and say, well,
Speaker 2: you know, teachers don't know the iss more money. And
Speaker 2: generally speaking, most if not all teachers I've interacted with,
Speaker 2: they aren't part of this nonsense. But there are way
Speaker 2: too many that are, and there are way too many
Speaker 2: that are part of those who wish to reshape the country,
Speaker 2: not just educate the country. New so World's Teachers Federation
Speaker 2: led the push to introduce the Welcome to Country acknowledgment
Speaker 2: since the early two thousands. A leethlet from the union
Speaker 2: to members outlines how to perform the ceremonies. Teachers are
Speaker 2: encouraged to consult with the school's Aboriginal Educationation Committee and
Speaker 2: local Aboriginal organizations to provide the appropriate level of recognition
Speaker 2: and the appropriate ceremonies of performance. And if you can't
Speaker 2: follow that, while not always was, always will be as
Speaker 2: part of it. Here's one of the leaflets that you
Speaker 2: can get off their website to teach you about how
Speaker 2: you can change the subject and how you can get
Speaker 2: the message.
Speaker 1: For the kids.
Speaker 2: To believe what you believe, regardless of what their parents
Speaker 2: or grandparents do. So here's my simple one. If you're
Speaker 2: a parent and you're enrolling your kid at school, ask
Speaker 2: what the school's policy is when it comes to welcome
Speaker 2: the country. If you're at a school assembly and you
Speaker 2: see they always was, always will be, go and talk
Speaker 2: to the principal, send them a letter the next day,
Speaker 2: because if they assume everyone's cool and rite with it,
Speaker 2: nothing changes. Don't be abusive, certainly not violent. Don't get
Speaker 2: in people's faces, don't embarrass your kids, don't embarrass.
Speaker 1: Other people's kids. It's not the kid's fault.
Speaker 2: It's the people who are teaching the kids what they
Speaker 2: are supposed to do in a formal setting like assembly.
Speaker 2: Way back when it was the Lord's prayer. In between,
Speaker 2: it's been the national anthem. But now this stuff and
Speaker 2: people wonder why people end up doing what that person
Speaker 2: was doing on the coal train, and why they say
Speaker 2: what they say. Can we play them one more time?
Speaker 2: Listen to what they say about our country with the
Speaker 2: boltman knows that again didn't come from a tree.
Speaker 9: Hi there, everybody, My name is Sky. I'm twenty two.
Speaker 1: Are you sar?
Speaker 9: They pronounce, and I am currently.
Speaker 10: On a tree set.
Speaker 9: I'm here on one a real country. I am here
Speaker 9: for climate justice. So sow it sucks. I mean the
Speaker 9: continent itself, whatever you want to call that continent is
Speaker 9: a very beautiful place. But it's built on extraction. It's
Speaker 9: built on stolen land. The nation state is built on
Speaker 9: stolen land. We export nothing but coal, weapons and misery.
Speaker 2: Well, last thing about the States, before we had off
Speaker 2: to our great debate, the CV, which I'm looking forward to, Broen,
Speaker 2: Bishop Joe hilde Brand. It's going to be a fun
Speaker 2: one tonight. While Joe Biden is of course falling up
Speaker 2: the stairs and his political fortunes seemingly well as convincing
Speaker 2: as his gross motor skills, the Supreme Court, of course
Speaker 2: made its major decision before it went on holidays, and
Speaker 2: it was giving total legal immunity to a president for
Speaker 2: the things they do in the ficial capacity of being president,
Speaker 2: which brings us to Donald Trump. As you know, he's
Speaker 2: been found guilty by Manhattan jury in my view, in
Speaker 2: a rather slanted trial, thirty four different counts. This was
Speaker 2: all about the record keeping inside New York. But remember
Speaker 2: a lot of this story had to do with what
Speaker 2: was happening post when he became the president of the
Speaker 2: United States, where he was signing the checks. If he
Speaker 2: was doing it in the Oval office, is everything in
Speaker 2: the oval office and official act well, that is now
Speaker 2: going to be a reason why Trump, who was due
Speaker 2: to be sentenced on the eleventh of j Lie, will
Speaker 2: now be sentenced just before the election.
Speaker 1: He's local reporting from New York.
Speaker 11: The judge overseeing former president Donald Trump's hush money criminal
Speaker 11: case has delayed sentencing Trump until September eighteenth. Trump had
Speaker 11: been scheduled to be sentenced in.
Speaker 10: Just nine days.
Speaker 11: Judge Juan Mashan wrote that he will now weigh how
Speaker 11: the Supreme Court's decision to allow president's immunity from criminal
Speaker 11: prosecution for official acts affects this case.
Speaker 2: To further underline the point, this is what the judge
Speaker 2: the judge, who of course was very favorable to the prosecution,
Speaker 2: yelled at the defense as often as possible, put the
Speaker 2: gag order in all the rest of it, right, the
Speaker 2: one who lets Stormy Daniels go on on on and
Speaker 2: on and on about the night that, of course has
Speaker 2: no relevance to the bookkeeping stuff. But he realizes that
Speaker 2: the whole thing may well be falling apart. Quote.
Speaker 11: The matter is adjourned to September eighth, teenth, twenty twenty
Speaker 11: four at ten am for the imposition of sentence if
Speaker 11: such is still necessary, or other proceedings.
Speaker 1: Quick break back with more in a moment.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you why the biggest political story
Speaker 2: in the country today was whether or not Bob Catter
Speaker 2: is going to get a portrait at Parliament House. I'll
Speaker 2: explain why next with Bromin and Joe don't go anyway.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for watching well.
Speaker 2: She's to carry out a champ whenever she turns up,
Speaker 2: but especially here on a Wednesday night. None of than
Speaker 2: the lovely Bromin Bishop loved to see you, Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 2: Of course we can find randomots of places, but let's
Speaker 2: put the pol house.
Speaker 1: Where do we find the podcast. What's it called? How
Speaker 1: do people find?
Speaker 12: Oh, thank you, The Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. You
Speaker 12: simply find it wherever you get your podcasts on Spotify, Apple,
Speaker 12: Just go there Real Story with Joe hilder Brand. It
Speaker 12: tells you everything you need to know behind the scenes.
Speaker 12: You thought I was candid on this show, I just
Speaker 12: fully just unzip the light and let it all hang out.
Speaker 12: So everything you want to know about what's happening behind
Speaker 12: the scenes. That's next in politics, Well, it's a podcast,
Speaker 12: so you can't see it.
Speaker 1: You just hear an occasional microphone you know, going.
Speaker 2: Well, good stuff, all right, So let's talk about an
Speaker 2: early election. The assumption was straight after the budget that well,
Speaker 2: this is the best chance for the Labor Party to
Speaker 2: get up and over things.
Speaker 1: But where we sit now is the Prime Minister is
Speaker 1: not going to NATO.
Speaker 2: I did love the excuse, of course, which was on
Speaker 2: the seven thirty report, which is, well, we're not really
Speaker 2: a member and it doesn't really matter if you turn
Speaker 2: up except he'd gone the previous two years, could work there,
Speaker 2: But basically he was caught between an airbus elbow or
Speaker 2: a meaningless conference overseas and we know which one he
Speaker 2: ended up choosing to avoid. So discussion early election, early election,
Speaker 2: the interest rate thing, it feeds into all of it.
Speaker 2: But bromin fifty four percent of the country believe they're
Speaker 2: headed in the wrong direction right now. So an early election.
Speaker 2: Should that be after August when it's officially possible. Should
Speaker 2: it be December, after Queensland has got out of the way.
Speaker 2: Do you think those things are still live options.
Speaker 13: I still think an early election is quite likely, most likely,
Speaker 13: And I say that because nothing has changed. What we've
Speaker 13: seen is that the Treasurer has pitied himself against the
Speaker 13: preserved back and he really isn't anxious to be challenged
Speaker 13: once litt alone twice. So if there is an increase
Speaker 13: in August, then it's quite likely there'll be another one
Speaker 13: as well.
Speaker 10: He could go on the seventh.
Speaker 13: Of September, he could go on the seventh of December.
Speaker 13: If he goes on the seventh of September, it's on
Speaker 13: the old boundaries. He may decide that's an advantage. If
Speaker 13: he goes on the seventh of December, it's on the
Speaker 13: new boundaries. And of course, the really interesting thing is
Speaker 13: that if there's no interest rate rise, in August, then
Speaker 13: it makes going earlier even more attractive. But if there's
Speaker 13: an interest rate rise in August, it's quite likely there'll
Speaker 13: be a second one, and he doesn't want to be
Speaker 13: found wanting twice.
Speaker 2: So Joe, this is the central question right in terms
Speaker 2: of the calculation. Look, it's the Prime minister. He makes
Speaker 2: his decisions. He says he's going full term, right, But
Speaker 2: the calculus is, is there going to be another interest
Speaker 2: rate rise? Every indication from the Reserve Bank, every piece
Speaker 2: of information in and around the Reserve Bank is yes.
Speaker 1: Yes. That wasn't their entire picture around the budget that
Speaker 1: there wouldn't be.
Speaker 14: Yeah, look it was.
Speaker 12: And obviously they didn't frame the budget anticipating or expecting
Speaker 12: or attempting to fuel an interest rate rise, although there
Speaker 12: was plenty of commentary around that, so I can understand
Speaker 12: that they directly said it wouldn't have. I still don't yeah,
Speaker 12: I still don't understand the advantage in going early either.
Speaker 12: You're going to go, you know, just after people have
Speaker 12: coppted it in the neck with another rate rise, with
Speaker 12: the prospect of another one on the way, and the
Speaker 12: government saying, hey, let us remember who brought you to
Speaker 12: the dance, then you've still got the problem of Queensland,
Speaker 12: like they're trying to win back seats from the Greens
Speaker 12: in Queensland, as if that's going to happen with Steven
Speaker 12: Miles still as Premier.
Speaker 1: I just turned December no book.
Speaker 12: I've got to let well, they've got to let Queenslanders
Speaker 12: get it out of their system. If you look at
Speaker 12: what happened in Victoria in nineteen ninety three when Keating
Speaker 12: got a swing to him after there was a massive
Speaker 12: swing against the Brumby government sorry and the Cane government
Speaker 12: then became Brumby opposition in October I think it was
Speaker 12: ninety two. That took about three four months. It was
Speaker 12: October to March. I think it was at a much
Speaker 12: different menus and a much much different media.
Speaker 1: So I got but let's not get too far out
Speaker 1: of you can't start three.
Speaker 12: But what I'm saying is you can't just go all
Speaker 12: right November.
Speaker 1: Everyone hates labor.
Speaker 12: Okay, there you go, got that out of your sistant.
Speaker 14: We'll go in to December. I think it needs a
Speaker 14: bit more time. Remember, and again I think you want
Speaker 14: we want to wait until just in fact, just the'll
Speaker 14: be finished one second you want to, I think wait
Speaker 14: until have the hope that once if there is an
Speaker 14: interest rate rise, that the next.
Speaker 12: Move will be down and so, and that's what they'll
Speaker 12: be hoping in the first half of it.
Speaker 1: That's my starying.
Speaker 13: No, no, no, there are two other points, and that very
Speaker 13: simply that there is a royal visit coming which would
Speaker 13: be just before December seven, and that would possibly wash
Speaker 13: over whatever happens up there in Queensland.
Speaker 10: You've also got the fact that.
Speaker 13: They're going to spend an enormous amount of money advertising
Speaker 13: how lucky you are to be getting these tax cuts.
Speaker 10: They're not going to last till next year.
Speaker 1: No, that's it too little to start.
Speaker 13: And so all the money that they're spending now, the
Speaker 13: rebates for your electricity, all the money they're pushing in
Speaker 13: which is pushing up inflation. Despite the fact that the
Speaker 13: snake charmer says it's not so, it is in my
Speaker 13: view still quite likely, most likely, and earlier.
Speaker 2: Left all right, well we won't watch and see. But
Speaker 2: those are the stakes. And again you're super political nerd
Speaker 2: like us, so we would talk about these things all
Speaker 2: as the options, which brings me to what I think
Speaker 2: was one of if not the biggest thing that actually
Speaker 2: happened in cambrid To day in and around politics, which is,
Speaker 2: will the governor opposition agree to the idea that Bobcatter
Speaker 2: should have his own portrait in the power? Now He's
Speaker 2: served for a long period of time, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's whole series of things that qualify you for the discussion,
Speaker 2: But why would he be getting a portrait in particular
Speaker 2: because there will be a minority government after the next election,
Speaker 2: meaning that they may well need a certain vote from
Speaker 2: a certain person. How loony is my suggestion here, Bromwin,
Speaker 2: Because again, now again there are things that qualify, and
Speaker 2: he qualifies as as to be remembered for all times
Speaker 2: a great representative of his community. But Jesus, isn't it
Speaker 2: convenient if you can help facilitate a place in history
Speaker 2: at the same time as plays back in my minority government?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow, how works? Or not at all?
Speaker 13: I can see that a poor motive on behalf of
Speaker 13: a poor government which we've got. But I think bobcat
Speaker 13: is better than that. If they're going to have his
Speaker 13: portrait painted and hung in the Parliament.
Speaker 10: Great, I like Bob Katy, I love.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying Jesus, isn't it convenient of all of
Speaker 2: the long serving MPs the one who we're going to yeah,
Speaker 2: the one are we going to give a.
Speaker 1: Point to two? It has a vote on the minority
Speaker 1: government and it.
Speaker 13: Is just another example to announce it now because it's
Speaker 13: part of the early election.
Speaker 2: And that's and that's that's my point too, Joe, which
Speaker 2: is that you're seeing right that you saw all of
Speaker 2: those finance reforms in and around the Teals, which basically
Speaker 2: we're going to cap how much they could spend not
Speaker 2: at this election but the next election. All of that's
Speaker 2: been parked. Why because you may need one or two
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 12: On the other side, I think I can exclusively revealed
Speaker 12: that the government would much rather govern with the confidence
Speaker 12: of Bob Catter.
Speaker 1: Than the Greens and Greens all the Teals.
Speaker 12: So that certainly the hope, like the best the best
Speaker 12: hope for the party now I think among most hardheads
Speaker 12: is minority government without having to rely on the Greens
Speaker 12: or the Teals. So I think it's about four others.
Speaker 12: There's Bob Cartter, Mecca Sharky, maybe Held Hanes. I don't
Speaker 12: actually counts the Teal or not or another one. But
Speaker 12: they don't want to go. They don't want to touch
Speaker 12: the Greens or the.
Speaker 14: Teals with it.
Speaker 13: But they might think they can buy Bob Catter, but
Speaker 13: I don't think they can.
Speaker 2: But of course I'm not sedesting, and I'm just saying
Speaker 2: this part of the butter rup right.
Speaker 1: As part of the butter I do not they've reached.
Speaker 1: They've reached into this as a part of the bout.
Speaker 12: How is the other side going to form government?
Speaker 2: Which brings me to Maths everyone, which is okay, if
Speaker 2: they're able to have a minority government to say that
Speaker 2: it's seventy two seats they need seventy six, there is
Speaker 2: enough of a cross bench before you have to go
Speaker 2: shopping to Teals or Greens.
Speaker 1: Okay, yay.
Speaker 2: However, upstairs you can't do anything without the Greens. That's
Speaker 2: the way it currently works, let alone post and election,
Speaker 2: which brings us to the whole Fatoma thing. I don't
Speaker 2: want to talk about the Muslim vote stuff, don't want
Speaker 2: to talk about the labor ratnus. I want to talk
Speaker 2: about Maths here and again the power it gives you
Speaker 2: in the parliament right now. I had a look at
Speaker 2: this today, which is the long details. If we can
Speaker 2: guys here which is about the senators that is currently
Speaker 2: made up. If I've got my numbers wrong, correct me
Speaker 2: in any way, you need thirty nine for a majority.
Speaker 2: Currently Labor has twenty five. This is if Fatima goes,
Speaker 2: which the expectation is she goes tomorrow. LNP thirty one,
Speaker 2: Greens eleven one, Nation two. But how's this Lamby, Pocock, Thorpe,
Speaker 2: the former Lamby Tyrrel is out on our own, and
Speaker 2: of course Fatima would go out on our own. So
Speaker 2: how does that work mathematically for Labor get anything done
Speaker 2: after the midwinter break? They need all of Labor, all
Speaker 2: of Greens, and three of the five cross benches. They
Speaker 2: would most likely always have Thorpe, always have Pocock, always
Speaker 2: have Lamby right, But there's a bit of shopping around
Speaker 2: for the opposition though there's basically no path to get
Speaker 2: anything done. Why because all of their senators, all of
Speaker 2: one nation and all of the cross bench.
Speaker 1: You still need one Green.
Speaker 2: So that puts the cross Bench obviously in an incredibly
Speaker 2: powerful position. But it means whatever games they're going to
Speaker 2: pretend after the next election, we don't need the Greens
Speaker 2: to govern and we're not in a coalition. They can't
Speaker 2: pass a law without them today.
Speaker 10: Correct, Correct.
Speaker 13: And anybody who says that they're going to be able
Speaker 13: to have had minority government without Greens participating is having
Speaker 13: themselves on correct it. If you vote Labor for a
Speaker 13: minority government, you cop the Greens.
Speaker 10: And that's just a fact of life. And the Greens
Speaker 10: hate Australia.
Speaker 13: They hate the nation state, they hate the people, they
Speaker 13: hate what we believe in, they.
Speaker 10: Hate what we've achieved.
Speaker 13: They are a loathsome group of people and they will
Speaker 13: destroy this nation.
Speaker 1: I can't agree more.
Speaker 12: And that's why we should vote for Labor for majority government.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, Joe, but it is fascinating again
Speaker 2: the numbers of the mets right. You will see in
Speaker 2: the next twenty four hours. Should she presumably pull upin
Speaker 2: on Labor, Oh, the consequence. Look, they've got to path
Speaker 2: through the Senate now. They can do it with or
Speaker 2: without her mathematically, That's my point. The value, of course,
Speaker 2: is when everything's being negotiated all the time. Afterwards, whatever
Speaker 2: the price of her vote will end up being, we'll
Speaker 2: all wait, we'll all see, we'll all hold our hands together,
Speaker 2: and will all go goodness me.
Speaker 13: Well, I just think there's something else to say. I think,
Speaker 13: looking at the involvement of the vote whisperer, the sudden
Speaker 13: announcement of the Muslim vote movement, I think this has
Speaker 13: been going.
Speaker 10: On for hell of a lot longer than this question
Speaker 10: of whether or not she got.
Speaker 1: Well, and Elbows kind of said this.
Speaker 12: I think, yeah, No, I think it's been reported, and
Speaker 12: I've had sources tell me that this has been going
Speaker 12: on for a matter of weeks and that that is
Speaker 12: just disgraceful treachery no matter what.
Speaker 1: But but it isn't.
Speaker 13: But again, but I mean, this is what you get, Joe,
Speaker 13: when you pick a token candidate on your Senate ticket
Speaker 13: because you think it's smart, have an ethnic woman, and
Speaker 13: she won't get up anyway, because we won't get three up.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Well, look, I essentially it is. It is just crazy politics.
Speaker 13: It's like when we gave preferences to let mister Band
Speaker 13: into the Lower House.
Speaker 10: It was insane.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I certainly hope they never made that mistake again.
Speaker 12: In my position on fatima payment as crystal clear, I
Speaker 12: think which is an absolute which.
Speaker 2: Brings me to preferences at some point, at some point
Speaker 2: to save the Liberals from the Teals, and to save
Speaker 2: labor from partition of potential sectarian candidate. Perhaps they should
Speaker 2: preference each other before.
Speaker 1: They start preferening.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to a break. Come on, you
Speaker 2: know how this works. I'm going to do a break
Speaker 2: after in a second, Joe Biden. What these guys think
Speaker 2: are going to happen, not just what should happen on
Speaker 2: a second, Oh good one tonight, good meaty conversation. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna feel And we've got a four hour car park
Speaker 2: session after this as well.
Speaker 1: With Jo Hildebrand and with brob and Bishop.
Speaker 2: You know, when I've got that glint in mind and
Speaker 2: data in my head, away we go. So I honestly
Speaker 2: can't tell you tonight whether Biden is going to get
Speaker 2: pushed out or whether he's going to break himself in,
Speaker 2: all right, because clearly all of the people with the
Speaker 2: power to break himself in would do it for him,
Speaker 2: and all of the people who say we're losing, we're
Speaker 2: going to keep losing under this guy, are going to
Speaker 2: keep the role ongoing. But if it gets to a convention,
Speaker 2: the first vote has to be for Biden, with all
Speaker 2: of the delegates that are hands, so it's all in
Speaker 2: his favor to basically the decision of crash or crash through.
Speaker 1: What's your sense?
Speaker 2: I mean, I get the noise, I get the reason,
Speaker 2: but also the basic ego and there's no greater regor
Speaker 2: than the president of the United States is do not leave.
Speaker 13: Well, here's there's obviously a strong contingent within the Democrat
Speaker 13: Party that wants to blast him out, and hence the
Speaker 13: whole scenario of the debate being set up. And I
Speaker 13: watched CNN straight after that. What's them to a man
Speaker 13: all repeating the same line. Then you've seen commentator after
Speaker 13: commentator coming up. The one who is really not wanting
Speaker 13: to leave the White House is obviously Jill Biden, and
Speaker 13: the son wants the father to stay there so he
Speaker 13: can pardon him. There are definitely two people for locking in,
Speaker 13: and there will be other people who lose their jobs,
Speaker 13: but there's going to be a whole lot of people
Speaker 13: of congressman and senators who see their own seats going
Speaker 13: and nothing motivated to move more than when they're under threat.
Speaker 13: So you know, it could come up to the situation
Speaker 13: like LBG when he said I'm going went to the
Speaker 13: to the convention.
Speaker 10: And all hell broke loose, and of course we've.
Speaker 2: Got and ironically it's in the exact same location, sixty
Speaker 2: hippie skulls.
Speaker 12: We can't see how he stays. I can't see how
Speaker 12: anyone outside his own immediate family wouldn't be saying you
Speaker 12: have to get.
Speaker 9: Out of there.
Speaker 12: I have no doubt that Jill has.
Speaker 1: You know, they've got all the power stay. They've got
Speaker 1: all the power to stay.
Speaker 12: There is I think some clause that was introduced in
Speaker 12: twenty sixteen where if someone's deemed not to be of
Speaker 12: sound mental health, they could blast him out. So they
Speaker 12: could do that, then there's the CIA. They did it
Speaker 12: in sixty three people, and you know what I'm talking
Speaker 12: about it They did not, of course, But the point being,
Speaker 12: I just thought, I get in trouble if I think
Speaker 12: that I think that, I think I think he will
Speaker 12: have to be blasted out. As Brodwan said, always back
Speaker 12: self interested selling horse. You note it's really trying.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, guys, I do appreciate it. Look,
Speaker 2: I know you guys are deeply invested in whether it's
Speaker 2: gonna be trumple Biden. And there isn't a place I
Speaker 2: go in the countryhere people don't say so is Trump
Speaker 2: gonna So the plan between now and when this happens
Speaker 2: is to show you all the information, all right, not
Speaker 2: just about you know, my sizeable gut guessing in which direction,
Speaker 2: which way or the other my sense Just again, if
Speaker 2: you're somebody who is wanting a result when it comes
Speaker 2: to Trump, the worst thing is for Biden to go,
Speaker 2: because well then there's a new face and all the
Speaker 2: rest of it in the media who will have achieved
Speaker 2: one goal go and try to achieve another. But we
Speaker 2: all watch and in the meantime, I don't sleep and
Speaker 2: I watch too much data. Funnily enough, none of it
Speaker 2: about the UK election because we all know what's going
Speaker 2: to happen there.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys, do appreciate it. We'll see you again
Speaker 1: tomorrow and night.
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