WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 29 May

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying in Center. This is Paul Murray live well.

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<v Speaker 2>A you kind, my dear friend. Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>to Sharry Markson of course for doing it. Nobody else

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<v Speaker 2>does yet it's gott he's no room to appreciate her

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<v Speaker 2>and all of my other friends and colleagues here. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>have a great night together. And yes, let us talk

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<v Speaker 2>about something that may will have slipped through the fingers.

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<v Speaker 3>Of much of the news media today.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember a couple of weeks ago we told you about

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<v Speaker 2>Channel Line reporting at the time it's exclusive for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was about China disrupting members again of the

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<v Speaker 2>Australian Defense Force. This was the scenario where the chopper

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<v Speaker 2>was flying and then some flares had been released in

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<v Speaker 2>front of it. If it was not for the skill

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<v Speaker 2>of the pilot, then they may well have ended up

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<v Speaker 2>in a scenario where the helicopter may will have crashed

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<v Speaker 2>and this could have been come very serious, very quickly. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Croben in the story when he broke this story,

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<v Speaker 2>had this what is called in the business peace to camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Marles says Australia has formally registered its deep concern

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<v Speaker 2>about the incident, telling Beijing it's completely unacceptable, and the

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<v Speaker 2>next day the Prime Minister was waving his finger Beijing's way.

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<v Speaker 4>We have made very strong representations at every level to

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<v Speaker 4>China about this incident, which your regard as unprofessional and unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'll just wait for the control room.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we requeue that and let's play that again when

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<v Speaker 2>everyone to understand what the Prime Minister said after this

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<v Speaker 2>story had become public, and what he said was our

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<v Speaker 2>response to China one more time.

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<v Speaker 4>We have made very strong representations at every level to

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<v Speaker 4>China about this incident, which your regard as unprofessional and

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<v Speaker 4>unacceptable at every level.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, guess what the Prime Minister lied now. That is

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<v Speaker 2>not my assumption. It is the basic admission of parliamentary

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<v Speaker 2>officials in Senate Estimates. This was written up today in

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<v Speaker 2>part by the Financial Review saying the Prime Minister Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Abernezi did not seek a phone call with President Jijingping

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<v Speaker 2>or the Premier after a Chinese fighter jet dedionated flares

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<v Speaker 2>in front of an Australian Navy helicopter earlier this month.

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<v Speaker 2>Repeat Prime Minister did not seek a phone call. Senate

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<v Speaker 2>Estimates heard on Tuesday that no direct contact was made

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<v Speaker 2>between ministers no direct contact to protest the dangerous maneuver,

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<v Speaker 2>despite Albanesi claiming very strong representations had been made to China. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>remember they did not release the information about this incident

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<v Speaker 2>until Channel nine had got in touch with them. So

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<v Speaker 2>was there a chance we would never have known about

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<v Speaker 2>this potentially near fatal incident where the obvious aggressor is

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<v Speaker 2>China who knows. Thankfully Andrew Proben was able to find

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<v Speaker 2>the story, put it to the government, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>government of course the next day in wider media says

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<v Speaker 2>we have done everything we can to contact every possible

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<v Speaker 2>level of the Chinese government. But again Senate estimates yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me show you the moment when it was clear

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<v Speaker 2>that there has not been phone calls.

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<v Speaker 3>There has not been every possible level.

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<v Speaker 5>Instead, representations are very strong and clear and direct representations

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<v Speaker 5>made at the diplomatic, defense and political levels, including ah

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<v Speaker 5>public statements by the Deputy Prime Minister, our Minister for

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<v Speaker 5>Defense and the prime ministers. Then the public statement that

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<v Speaker 5>the Prime Minister was making on his feet at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me translate that for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently, part of our communication with China at every possible level.

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<v Speaker 3>Was not a phone call.

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<v Speaker 2>From leader to leader was not a phone call minister

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<v Speaker 2>to minister. Instead, the press conference at Beefweek is considered

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<v Speaker 2>part of our response to China. Apparently that is what

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<v Speaker 2>counted in part as confronting China about what had happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, more from Senate estimates.

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<v Speaker 6>Arranging phone calls with China's leaders is not a straightforward

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<v Speaker 6>or speedy process, so we.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't do it very often.

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<v Speaker 6>We're going to see the Chinese premiere in Australia very soon,

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<v Speaker 6>and we will have thorough discussions with him when he arrives.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too hard to make a phone call, but we'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell the public that we did it. It's too hard

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<v Speaker 2>to make a phone call. But the Chinese premier is

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<v Speaker 2>coming here. Does anyone honestly believe that, while we are

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<v Speaker 2>rolling out the red carpet for the second most significant

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<v Speaker 2>person in the Chinese government, that we're going to say,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, about that event a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>where the behavior of your defense force could have killed

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<v Speaker 2>members of our defense force.

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<v Speaker 3>No, of course not.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, China knows that they have got this government

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<v Speaker 2>right where they want them.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll let the trade happen.

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<v Speaker 2>That'll make you look better, will send no messages to

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<v Speaker 2>the diaspora. We'll hope that they're voting patterns which change

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<v Speaker 2>to the life election, continue into the next election.

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<v Speaker 3>Just never call us out. What has now been proven.

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<v Speaker 2>In questioning and in this reporting today is the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister lies. Now we've seen this many times before at

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<v Speaker 2>every possible level, every possible level. In fact, third time,

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<v Speaker 2>Control room, Let's bring it back. I wasn't planning to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, but let's bring it back. Here's the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>minister third time. Now, given what you have just heard

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<v Speaker 2>from Senate estimates, what you've just read in the Financial review,

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<v Speaker 2>does this match up with what the prime ministers said?

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<v Speaker 4>We have made very strong representations at every level to

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<v Speaker 4>China about this incident, which we regard as unprofessional and unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this is a pattern of behavior when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to this government that when we talk about them sending messages,

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<v Speaker 2>it's akin to when you want to have when you

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<v Speaker 2>need to have an awkward conversation with somebody, but you

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<v Speaker 2>secretly hope that their phone is turned off, so you

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<v Speaker 2>leave a voicemail and move on. Or in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>they probably wrote China Police call and send it to

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<v Speaker 2>a fax machine that hopefully isn't connected at the other end.

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<v Speaker 3>But you say, well, I sent a message, was it received?

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<v Speaker 3>Who cares?

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<v Speaker 2>They say, at the diplomatic level? So yes, okay, let's imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to give them the benefit of the

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<v Speaker 2>doubt that they don't deserve. Perhaps it was embassy to embassy,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's not every level. That's not what you've now

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<v Speaker 2>seen three times from the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Three times.

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<v Speaker 2>They never told us this event happened until the media

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<v Speaker 2>called them, and then they claim that they spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>every level of the Chinese government, when of course the

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<v Speaker 2>proof is there that they didn't. And why do we

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<v Speaker 2>know that this process is one that's burnt them in

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<v Speaker 2>the past, because remember Maus Towoomba.

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<v Speaker 3>This, of course was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Australian navy divers who were trying to free up something

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<v Speaker 2>that had got caught in one of their propellers. That's

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<v Speaker 2>when the Chinese decided to fire sonar at them.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them got injured.

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<v Speaker 2>The Chinese said, oh, it's not us, because if it

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<v Speaker 2>really was us, they would have been killed. And again

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian public was not told about this until the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister was on his way back from the Australian Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>from the Asia Pacific Economic Forum of the APEK. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the meeting where he was face to face with the

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<v Speaker 2>President of China. He did not raise this face to

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<v Speaker 2>face with the president. He has not picked up the

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<v Speaker 2>phone to even try to arrange the phone call to China. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>presumably the handsome boy has been given their new mobile number,

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<v Speaker 2>because we know that when they broke up with the

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<v Speaker 2>last guy, they definitely didn't return calls. But China has

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<v Speaker 2>the Abaneze government and thus Australia right where it wants it.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't upset them. Tell your people whatever you want because

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<v Speaker 2>nobody will really follow up, and even if they do

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<v Speaker 2>follow up, it'll be a few weeks later and no

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<v Speaker 2>one will care. The Prime Minister lied, lied about who

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<v Speaker 2>knew what, and it came to our national defenses. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt there'll be a whole bunch of smart Aleci

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<v Speaker 2>replies when he's asked this question, if at all, in

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<v Speaker 2>the Parliament tomorrow. But the evidence seems pretty clear right

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<v Speaker 2>the reporting of the Financial Review here is absolute that

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister, and I say one more time, did

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<v Speaker 2>not seek a phone.

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<v Speaker 3>Call with the bloke who's coming to Australia, or the

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<v Speaker 3>bloke who he went and met in Beijing.

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<v Speaker 2>The beautiful boy is a useful idiot and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people will get rich and a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>will be happy. What does it say when the leader

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<v Speaker 2>of our own country will lie to his own citizens

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<v Speaker 2>about a potential situation that could have killed members of

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<v Speaker 2>the defense force.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing to see here, I'm albow Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Maintime, let's talk about Jim Charmers and the economy that's

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<v Speaker 2>put in place right now. I hate to report what

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<v Speaker 2>we've known instinctively for weeks and weeks and weeks that

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<v Speaker 2>guess what Jim Charmers is wrong on inflation? The Reserve

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<v Speaker 2>Bank is more likely to be correct on inflation and

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living? Is that the Reserve Bank is said,

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<v Speaker 2>unless it is going to be between two and three

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<v Speaker 2>percent the consumer price index, then guess what they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do. They are going to hold into strates or

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<v Speaker 2>god forbid, increase interest rates until inflation starts to fall. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>today inflation went up again. It is now three point

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<v Speaker 2>six percent. But of course there's a whole bunch of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do this every month. There's a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of staff that is nowhere near the headlines. A whole

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of stuff that is way above the average number

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<v Speaker 2>that still is nowhere near the number that the Preserve

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<v Speaker 2>Bank needs to respond to. Have a look at all

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<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that is way above three and a

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<v Speaker 2>bit percent and three and a half percent, I should say,

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment when it comes to inflation, Tobacco year

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<v Speaker 2>on year up thirteen percent, insurance up eight percent, rent

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<v Speaker 2>up seven and a half percent, petrol seven and a

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<v Speaker 2>half percent, alcohol six and a half percent, education six percent, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>health six percent, education five percent five.

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<v Speaker 3>Percent for bread and cereal.

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<v Speaker 2>New homes that are purchased by the people who will

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<v Speaker 2>live in them again way higher. Not to mention food,

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<v Speaker 2>not to mention electricity. Someone writing about this at news

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<v Speaker 2>dot com Dot a U puts it very cleanly. For

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who is expecting an interest rate cut anytime soon,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly a government that would fingers cross be one to

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<v Speaker 2>go to an election sooner rather than later, because the

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<v Speaker 2>economy is not going to get better from here. Responding

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<v Speaker 2>to the hotter than expected figures, traders slashed their rate

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<v Speaker 2>cut bets, pushing out and expected easing of rates until

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<v Speaker 2>November next year. November next year. The hope had been

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<v Speaker 2>that they may well have done something this year, or

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<v Speaker 2>certainly by May.

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<v Speaker 3>Of next year.

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<v Speaker 2>Now another year and a half. Of the pain that

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<v Speaker 2>you feel when it comes to trying to pay.

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<v Speaker 3>Off a house.

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<v Speaker 2>All because, as we have told you many times before,

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<v Speaker 2>what they will all claim is global factors. There are

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of things that this country and this government in

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<v Speaker 2>particular have made things harder for. That is the effect

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<v Speaker 2>that exists. When it comes to inflation. They have been

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<v Speaker 2>there for more than two years. In that time, interst

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<v Speaker 2>rates have gone up twelve percent, up twelve times. I

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<v Speaker 2>apologize twelve times. When it went up once before the

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<v Speaker 2>last election the sky was caving in.

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<v Speaker 3>Well what do we say now? Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, about people trying to build homes

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<v Speaker 2>in either order to rent them out or to move in.

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<v Speaker 2>Interest rates in part is the reason why, according to

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<v Speaker 2>the Turnbull Times, forty thousand homes waiting to be built

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<v Speaker 2>right now are not being built because of high interest rates,

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<v Speaker 2>interest rates that, according to the market today, don't expect

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<v Speaker 2>to cut until November next year. While the information coming

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<v Speaker 2>today is close to where the Reserve Bank was not,

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<v Speaker 2>the rosy picture of a treasurer trying to get through

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<v Speaker 2>a political cycle. Now, there was plenty of air support

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<v Speaker 2>today for lefty Laura Tingle over there at the ABC.

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<v Speaker 2>This cartoon in the nine newspapers confirmed that Australia is racist.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they just put words like terranalius and white

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<v Speaker 2>Australia policy and both people and kids in detention and

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<v Speaker 2>then apparently sixty percent of the country voting against the

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<v Speaker 2>change its own constitution. No, all proof that Australia is racist.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know this is the attempt to support Laura

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<v Speaker 2>Tingle because she is, of course one of the high

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<v Speaker 2>priestesses of the media left. The Turble Times writing about

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<v Speaker 2>this makes it all seem like it's a news corp

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<v Speaker 2>fever dream. Meantime, today we got to see that by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, other media organizations have focused on this. Just

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<v Speaker 2>I know this won't matter by the time it makes

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<v Speaker 2>it to TV next Monday. Not on the ABC, but

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<v Speaker 2>still the New Daily they wrote about this story and

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<v Speaker 2>this story by the way, they are owned by union

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<v Speaker 2>super funds. Then there's the radio station that's owned by

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<v Speaker 2>Channel nine, who has also talked about it. But no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all a fever dream of Sky News Prime Time.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, of course it all comes around the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that she said that Australia was a racist country. But

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<v Speaker 2>I took particular focus on this comment, which I notice

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<v Speaker 2>nobody else seems to focus on, because yeah, Australia's the

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<v Speaker 2>racist countries are sexier quote. But what about what she

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<v Speaker 2>thinks of her fellow Australians for a.

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<v Speaker 7>Major politicality that us been saying, As Nicky says, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>everything that's going wrong in this country is because of migrants.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, I had a sudden flash of people

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<v Speaker 7>turning up to try to read a property or at

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<v Speaker 7>an auction, and they look a bit different whatever you

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<v Speaker 7>defined different as that basically he has given them license

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<v Speaker 7>to be abused.

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<v Speaker 3>Rubbish.

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<v Speaker 2>She is admonishing Peter Dutton for a situation that she

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<v Speaker 2>has imagined and one that, as I have said before,

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<v Speaker 2>frustrates me because in suburban Australia there are lots of

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<v Speaker 2>people who look like lots of people from lots of

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<v Speaker 2>places around the world. Nobody's being abused because of what

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<v Speaker 2>they look like when it comes to real estate. And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Lefty Law, in her bubble of whiteness in and

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<v Speaker 2>around the Act, perhaps that strikes her differently than it

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<v Speaker 2>strikes the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was that particular.

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<v Speaker 2>Comment that has been part of my focus. Now, of

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<v Speaker 2>course I also say this that I'm fine for people

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<v Speaker 2>to have strong opinions, but come out and join us

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<v Speaker 2>in the commercial world. Come and join us in a

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<v Speaker 2>world where your opinions have to stand on their own

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<v Speaker 2>two feet and people have to show confidence in them

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<v Speaker 2>by buying access to your service. But of course no,

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<v Speaker 2>she of course has it both ways. She's able to

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<v Speaker 2>sit as the independent umpire of everything on the ABC,

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<v Speaker 2>all of the fame and adulation that comes withered, and

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<v Speaker 2>then she gets to have the side gigs where she's

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<v Speaker 2>able to give her opinion. Well, today, the slap on

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<v Speaker 2>the wrist exactly as we expected. The boss of ABC

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<v Speaker 2>News puts out the following statement. Now, none of this

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<v Speaker 2>is on camera, because if they've spoken of a camera

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<v Speaker 2>and microphone, it would elevate it. It would recognize the

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<v Speaker 2>seriousness of an otherwise unseerious issue. Laura has been reminded

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<v Speaker 2>of their application that being ABC standards at external events

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<v Speaker 2>as well as in her work. I have counseled her

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<v Speaker 2>over the remarks. Could you imagine how strenuous that struggle

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<v Speaker 2>session would have been Laura Tingle, and then immediately after

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<v Speaker 2>admonishing her has to give her a cuddle. Laura Tingle

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the most experienced, knowledgeable and accomplished journalists.

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<v Speaker 2>For her part, Laura Tinger put out an essay today.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really mean it, but I did mean air

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<v Speaker 2>because I prove it, and then I don't prove her.

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<v Speaker 3>You know the footballer's apology. Here's the bit worth reading

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<v Speaker 3>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I regret that when I was making these observations at

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<v Speaker 2>the Writer's Festival, the nature of the free flowing panel

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<v Speaker 2>discussion means they were not surrounded.

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<v Speaker 3>By every quote substay sorry, substantiating.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, which would have had included what I had said

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<v Speaker 2>earlier on the ABC. Can we go back and play

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<v Speaker 2>the grab. I'm sorry to keep doing this to your

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<v Speaker 2>control room tonight, but can we go back and play

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<v Speaker 2>all of this crap?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>There's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of words before this

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<v Speaker 3>is what she said.

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<v Speaker 7>For a major political ley that be saying, as Nicky says,

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<v Speaker 7>you know everything that's going wrong in this country is

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<v Speaker 7>because of migrants, and you know I had sudden flash

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<v Speaker 7>of people turning up to try to read a property

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<v Speaker 7>or at an auction, and they look a bit different

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<v Speaker 7>whatever you defined different as that basically he has given

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<v Speaker 7>them license to be abused.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't really deal with this at the statement, because

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<v Speaker 2>of course this hasn't been the focus of much of

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. She can, of course, immediately then pulls the

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<v Speaker 2>shield of the ABC in front of her. This is

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<v Speaker 2>created an opportunity for yet another anti ABC pylon. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because you called Australia a racist country. You suggested a

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<v Speaker 2>situation when fellow Australians would turn on each other because

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<v Speaker 2>of the way they look when they turn up to

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<v Speaker 2>an auction. This is not helpful to me. You're the

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<v Speaker 2>victim or the ABC or the national debate. Well, guess what, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>criticizing you does not affect the national debate. You criticizing

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<v Speaker 2>me does not affect the national debate. Get out of yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so proud of my work as a journalist at

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<v Speaker 2>the ABC on all of its platforms, and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Let that work speak for itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, of course, because when you do end up speaking

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<v Speaker 2>for yourself at libbing, you say things like you really mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like Australia is a racist country. It is based always

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<v Speaker 2>on solid research and a lifetime of experience reporting on

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<v Speaker 2>Australian politics. What that you think that there's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be Australians turning on Australians at auctions because they quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote look different. That work is built on and delivered

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<v Speaker 2>in the frame work of the ABC's very high editorial

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<v Speaker 2>standards poice. They marked their own homework, They let themselves off.

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<v Speaker 2>Any criticism is a pylon. That's not helpful to me.

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<v Speaker 2>What about I'm sorry? What about I'm wrong? What about

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't have said that? No, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the She was able to.

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<v Speaker 2>Produce her school project, the proof everything was right, and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really deal with the bit where she just made

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<v Speaker 2>up a scenario that she was admonishing Peter Dutton for.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>What will happen is that she will, of course be

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<v Speaker 2>completely embraced by the machine. She will be nothing but

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<v Speaker 2>defended in all directions because you see, apparently there are

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<v Speaker 2>people that are beyond criticism, There are people that are

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<v Speaker 2>beyond observation, beyond ridicule, beyond a joke. And who knew

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<v Speaker 2>they all work in the one building and they all

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<v Speaker 2>mark each other's homework A plus.

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<v Speaker 3>A plus ABC plus.

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<v Speaker 2>Another example of it again, the multifaceted ways at which

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<v Speaker 2>they get the same message across. Peter Dutton as always

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<v Speaker 2>the focus of the government because of course he's the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest threat to them being able to hold onto government.

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<v Speaker 3>But the assumption is the.

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<v Speaker 2>Teals won't move anywhere, so don't worry Peter Dutton. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a bit of noise between.

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<v Speaker 3>Now and then.

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<v Speaker 2>We can keep lying about China, we keep pretending to

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<v Speaker 2>be transparent, you know, all that stuff. We can make

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<v Speaker 2>the economy worse. But no, no, Peter Dutton is a real problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course one of the ways that they are

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<v Speaker 2>going to come with Peter Dutton is again to say

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<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party has a problem with women.

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<v Speaker 3>Liberal Party has a problem with women.

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<v Speaker 2>Send the message until they have a statistical problem with women,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly what happened at the last election. Well, until people

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<v Speaker 2>are told, I know I'm stumbling tonight so much, I

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<v Speaker 2>apologize about why the problem with women. Before that narrative

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<v Speaker 2>starts up, I wanted to show you the essential poll,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the one in the Guardian that shows this

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<v Speaker 2>dead level right now between the Labor and the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a primary vout of twenty nine percent, but still

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<v Speaker 2>there is no difference right now in the female vote

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<v Speaker 2>between the Liberal Party and the Labor Party as the

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<v Speaker 2>equal number one options for women. So it is time

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<v Speaker 2>to send a message out that Peter Dutton has a

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<v Speaker 2>problem with women. And if Peter Dutton it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a problem with women, women should have a problem with

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is the person.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is sending this message none other than again one

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<v Speaker 2>of the High Priestesses of the ABC. Cannot be questioned,

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<v Speaker 2>cannot be ridiculed because that would be a pilot and

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<v Speaker 2>that's not helpful for me or national debates. And miss

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<v Speaker 2>Crab says today among opposition leaders, Peter Dunne is a

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<v Speaker 2>miracle survival story, but easy about to nuke himself with

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<v Speaker 2>women vote as well?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Pety Dutton is a freak of nature politically that is, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>always thought you did there. Two years in Dutton is

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<v Speaker 2>not only still in office, but nobody inside his own

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<v Speaker 2>party or even the National Party is trying to blow

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<v Speaker 2>him out of it. Truly extraordinary achievement. Well that's cause

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm's not there anymore. But then we get to eventually

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<v Speaker 2>to the issue that apparently is going to cost the

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal Party votes with women and its nuclear power.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently.

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<v Speaker 2>Truly fascinating detail in the survey that she was having

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<v Speaker 2>a look at is when you dig down into especially

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<v Speaker 2>who loves the idea of nuclear and who hates it,

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest difference of opinion on nuclear, it turns out

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<v Speaker 2>breaks along gender lines. Yeah, the person who has a

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<v Speaker 2>problem with women is the guy who's talking about what

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<v Speaker 2>form of energy, not the guy who literally makes women

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<v Speaker 2>cry at rallies about domestic violence. Oh, he's the preferred

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<v Speaker 2>candidate right, A bit like it's racist if Peter Dunton

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<v Speaker 2>wants to cut immigration for housing, but it's not racist

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<v Speaker 2>if Albo wants to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I see the logic now, you remember.

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<v Speaker 2>I was particularly annoyed going into the last election about

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<v Speaker 2>a little decision which was made by the then Palachet

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<v Speaker 2>government in Queensland. This was a disgraceful and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>disgraceful decision that they tried to push in I think

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<v Speaker 2>in the last week of Parliament before the twenty twenty election,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was to do with the Crime and Corruption

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<v Speaker 2>Commission in Queensland. Back then the then Attorney General who

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<v Speaker 2>then became the Health Minister who's now the Attorney General again,

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<v Speaker 2>tried to introduce a law to make it, and I quote,

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<v Speaker 2>a criminal offense for me to tell you on this

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<v Speaker 2>show if somebody who was putting themselves up for Parliament

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<v Speaker 2>was being investigated by the Corruption Commission. They would make

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<v Speaker 2>it a crime for anyone in any media anywhere to

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<v Speaker 2>say if somebody's name on the ballot was also the

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<v Speaker 2>name of somebody who was being investigated by the Corruption Commission.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the minister at the time.

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<v Speaker 8>There is no argument, Deputy Speaker, this is undoubtedly a

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<v Speaker 8>challenging issue, but it is not one that the Palishe

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<v Speaker 8>government is going to shy away from.

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<v Speaker 2>Except they did after we made it rather public what

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<v Speaker 2>the problem was and the rest of the media started

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<v Speaker 2>to catch on because all of this had actually taken

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<v Speaker 2>place pretty late one night or when nobody else was looking.

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<v Speaker 3>And this was back when most of the media.

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<v Speaker 2>Were pretty much doing whatever the Palaschet government wanted them to,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, she's keeping it safe and she's the

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<v Speaker 2>one who's saving everyone from the you know, it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like it was going to be a pretty easy victory.

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<v Speaker 2>It turned out, of course, to be a pretty easy

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<v Speaker 2>victory for Palachet, but even that media that was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>compliant started to blow up about it. The ABC again

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, started to blow up about it. So you

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<v Speaker 2>had people like this blowing up about the idea.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a real attack on the community's right to information

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<v Speaker 9>to hold the powerful accountable.

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<v Speaker 4>The legislation would have punished a reporter with up to

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<v Speaker 4>six months jail, but not stop the person making the complaint.

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<v Speaker 2>So thankfully it didn't happen. Paul, why are you mentioning

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<v Speaker 2>something from four years ago, because guess who as the

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<v Speaker 2>brand new premiere is also fiddling with what you should

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<v Speaker 2>or shouldn't know about the people who do and don't

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<v Speaker 2>go before the Crime and Corruption Commission. Now, of course

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<v Speaker 2>there are people who are found to be corrupt, they

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<v Speaker 2>are charged to be corrupted, and they go on to

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<v Speaker 2>the next level. They do not collect two hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>and they often go to a scenario that could will

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<v Speaker 2>end up in jail. But this premiere is trying to

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<v Speaker 2>tell the Crime and Corruption Commission that basically, unless you

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<v Speaker 2>find someone corrupt, you can often know other commentary about

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<v Speaker 2>the behavior that got them in front of the Corruption

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<v Speaker 2>Commission in the first place, Stephen Miles will ban Quenslane's

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<v Speaker 2>anti corruption watchdog from making critical commentary about politicians who

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<v Speaker 2>are not convicted of a crime under sweeping new laws,

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<v Speaker 2>forcing the Crime and Corruption Commission to do most of

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<v Speaker 2>its work in secret.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, there have.

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<v Speaker 2>Been plenty of people that have gone near corruption commissions

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<v Speaker 2>in the past who don't end up getting charged, but

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<v Speaker 2>because of some of the critical findings or some of

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 2>the things that have been said during that process, their

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.679
<v Speaker 2>political career disappears. Because guess what, it shouldn't just be

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>a crime that ends up disqualifying you from being able

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<v Speaker 2>to be in charge of a ministry and therefore the

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 2>public purse. But Stephen Miles thinks that going into this election,

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<v Speaker 2>let's put a muzzle on the corruption watchdog, exactly the

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<v Speaker 2>same opinion that was offered by the previous premier and

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<v Speaker 2>the previous government, but instead of gagging the media, they

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 2>gag the organization. Now, of course this has nothing to

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 2>do whatsoever with the former deputy Premier and an investigation

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 2>which is being done by that organization into her Jackie

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<v Speaker 2>trad where the assumption is that in the next couple

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<v Speaker 2>of months, we will actually see a full detailed report

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<v Speaker 2>about matters that have been before that commission. Wouldn't it

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<v Speaker 2>just be convenient for the Miles government if they move

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<v Speaker 2>the law that says unless somebody is up for a

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<v Speaker 2>criminal charge, then basically you can't say anything bad about them,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a report may need to be slightly edited

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that well, it wasn't a criminal offense,

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 2>but there might have been some other stuff that was around.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again, I don't know. I'm not casting persons on

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Jackie Trade's character. It's just a little convenient. Don't you

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<v Speaker 2>think that the report into the former Deputy Premier of

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party may well end up having to be

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<v Speaker 2>rewritten by the new laws introduced by the Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing to see here right now. Trump is back in court.

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<v Speaker 2>And today is the day when the jury will now

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<v Speaker 2>finally get the opportunity to start working out whether they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to find him guilty or not. Now, there was

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<v Speaker 2>an absurd amount of time, literally all day yesterday was

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<v Speaker 2>taken up by the closing arguments.

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<v Speaker 3>But all of that is done, it is over.

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<v Speaker 2>There will be a couple of hours tops, but that

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<v Speaker 2>would be ridiculous for.

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<v Speaker 3>The judge to give his advice to the jury.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, we know how invested the judges in one

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<v Speaker 2>particular outcome, so no surprise, there'll be handed a whole

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 2>bunch of stuff. That's code for find him guilty, find

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 2>him guilty, find him guilty. But what has been fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>to watch is even in parts of the media that

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<v Speaker 2>have just wall to wall covered this with every detail,

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 2>and they've only ever had prosecutors on and Trump's one

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent guilty that even CNN said what I said

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<v Speaker 2>last night, that they haven't actually proven the case.

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<v Speaker 10>There is reasonable doubt all over this case. Where is

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<v Speaker 10>Keith Schiller? Where is Alan Weiselberg? How did Michael Cohene

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<v Speaker 10>get away with stealing thirty thousand dollars hold a pity

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 10>party for him? Made four million dollars on this thought

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 10>he'd be chief of staff.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a fixer.

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<v Speaker 10>Why do we need to know whether or not the

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<v Speaker 10>former president warre condom or not. It's simply about did

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<v Speaker 10>the former president know that books his records four centuries

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 10>for legal fees? Michael cohe was his lawyer. Did he

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<v Speaker 10>intend to cover up the election or to protect his family?

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<v Speaker 2>It's every everywhere he'll never be seen again on their

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<v Speaker 2>AA Wives. Anyway, we'll talk about this and a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot more with Megan Kelly. She thinks, regardless of the

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 2>fact I haven't proven the crime, it is a lifty

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<v Speaker 2>jury with a lifty judge and being pushed to a

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<v Speaker 2>certain decision.

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<v Speaker 11>The case really comes down to the jury instructions and

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<v Speaker 11>the verdict form, and that judge is going to lead

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<v Speaker 11>this jury right to the water that reads guilty. You know,

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 11>come here, worthy, drink, drink from the fountain of guilt.

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<v Speaker 12>It's right here.

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<v Speaker 2>And Kelly in a moment Broman Bishop Stephen Conroy next

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<v Speaker 2>has no doubt they furiously agreed that Andrew Giles should

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<v Speaker 2>remain a Minister of the Crown. And a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>more here on Paul Murray Life. Thank you very much

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 2>for watching. Broman Bishop is here with Stephen Conroy. They're

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>both just here to help. They both carry out a

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>chance and they both got plenty of stay tonight. So

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<v Speaker 2>Bromwin Andrew Giles, there's any of immigration minister who yes,

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<v Speaker 2>was doing the bidding of the Prime minister who basically

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<v Speaker 2>flipped a system to help her just sit at donapp

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>before she jumped and before labor got punted in New Zealand.

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 2>But how many times in a row can this bloke

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<v Speaker 2>be proven to be not up to it, argue one

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<v Speaker 2>thing one way and go the other way the next day.

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<v Speaker 3>Surely he's got to go.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, Well he should, but I'll tell you why it's not.

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 8>Because he's the pawn of the Prime Minister, right he

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 8>acts to have him around like a little plaque so

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 8>he can hav him come out with all the statements

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 8>he once made and he can cop all the pun

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<v Speaker 8>an our an easy committee over here, not suffering the pain.

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<v Speaker 8>That's a classic. That's exactly what happened with the Adurn stuff. Yes,

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<v Speaker 8>and there's Direction ninety nine and I just love the

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<v Speaker 8>language today.

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<v Speaker 3>Please.

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<v Speaker 8>It was the new direction will ensure that all members

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<v Speaker 8>of the New Review Tribunal will adopt a common sense

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<v Speaker 8>approach to the visa decisions consistent with the intent of

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<v Speaker 8>Ministerial Direction ninety nine. I'd love to know what that means. Oh,

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<v Speaker 8>he tells us. This means ensuring protection of the community

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<v Speaker 8>outweighs other considerations. Yeah, boy, I want to see that wording.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but don't forget and don't forget Stephen one of

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<v Speaker 2>the ways that this has certain moved its way out

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 2>that a bloke from Africa who ended up marrying an

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<v Speaker 2>Indigenous woman having children with her, says he's indigenous because,

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<v Speaker 2>among other things, he can play the digerido. This has

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<v Speaker 2>gone crazy. The Prime Minister says, it's going to flip

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<v Speaker 2>back the other way. So I don't know partial credit

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<v Speaker 2>for admitting a mistake, but how big is the mistake right,

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<v Speaker 2>surely he's got to go.

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<v Speaker 9>Look, I think what was also admitted today, which you

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<v Speaker 9>haven't focused on and some of the media haven't focused on,

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 9>was quite extraordinary admission by the head of the department

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 9>that they had failed to do their job. Now, for

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 9>those who don't know who Stephanie Foster is, she got

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 9>parachuted into Immigration. Her title was Associate Secretary, so over

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 9>a year ago she was put in charge. She was

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<v Speaker 9>there as extra reinforcement inside Home Affairs, so she has

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<v Speaker 9>had sole responsibility about this for.

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<v Speaker 1>Well over a year.

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<v Speaker 9>So when Andrew Giles puts it in place, as you've

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<v Speaker 9>correctly said, it was done and I was surprised by it.

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<v Speaker 9>I wouldn't have done it myself. Around the Ardourne, New

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<v Speaker 9>Zealand issuecifically. The minister specifically said, now I need to

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 9>be kept abreast if there are any knock on consequences

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:17.760
<v Speaker 9>of this in this cohort of really bad people over here.

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<v Speaker 8>Have you any idea?

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<v Speaker 1>Could you please be quiet?

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 8>Throwing?

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<v Speaker 9>Could you just be quiet and let me finish.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she threw.

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<v Speaker 9>She threw herself under the bus, and she should resign,

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<v Speaker 9>So I'll go.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll actually go that far.

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<v Speaker 9>This person was solely put in charge of the immigration issues.

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<v Speaker 9>She was supposed to supervise the actual you know, here's

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<v Speaker 9>a big problem. If it starts to bleed over in here.

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<v Speaker 9>I need to know about it so I can cancel

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<v Speaker 9>some more visas.

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<v Speaker 3>But what about it?

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>And then sits there.

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<v Speaker 9>No, sorry, let me, I haven't finished, the brown minister

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<v Speaker 9>and then he says, I'm sorry. We failed. We failed,

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<v Speaker 9>We failed to keep this area properly staffed. I don't

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.359
<v Speaker 9>believe that's true. But but I don't believe that area

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<v Speaker 9>was understaffed at all. I think it is down purely

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<v Speaker 9>and simply to the incompetence of the official.

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<v Speaker 1>And she should resign, so the officials should go.

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<v Speaker 9>What's happened also today, you've made this No she they

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<v Speaker 9>put in place at Minister's direction that her job was

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<v Speaker 9>to brief him if there were a bleeding of the use.

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<v Speaker 1>Of ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Board.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's never.

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<v Speaker 9>This was her responsibility and she failed it, and she's humiliated.

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<v Speaker 8>It's the minister's responsibility, and you know it, So.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay when this public goes public and says should ye fowl.

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<v Speaker 8>And al believes he wrote because he liked the flogging,

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 8>so he can do what he wants. And honestly, it

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 8>was the trade off of the addern agreement. He wasn't

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 8>going to send New Zealanders back to New Zealand when

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 8>they had done really bad things.

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<v Speaker 2>Now forgive me, lots of people have had plenty to

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 2>say about that. Even though we could go on for

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>a while, they can Kelly's up in a couple of seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no doubt that both of you were watching

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 2>my editorial taking notes Stephen the Green furiously. So I

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 2>am going to, without notice throw a question at both

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 2>of you. Sent in estimates yesterday it comes out financial

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.360
<v Speaker 2>review reports. I give it a bit more focus tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister said that at all levels they reacted to

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<v Speaker 2>China about the helicopter that may well have ended up

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 2>getting blown out of the sky. The channel on reporting,

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<v Speaker 2>remember was if it wasn't for the skill of the pilot,

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 2>then this thing could have ended up becoming catastrophic, right,

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister says at Beef Week, all levels we discussed,

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<v Speaker 2>guess what, No fun calls at the ministerial level, no

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 2>phone calls at the leadership level. And one of the

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>examples of communication between the two countries was what he

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 2>said at beefwek now Broman.

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 3>Hed at Beef Week.

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 2>That's right, just like he lied the last time when

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 2>it was of course hmas to Wombo. Yet this will

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:20.279
<v Speaker 2>be the longest conversation that you'll see about it on

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 2>television and radio, because the circus moves on.

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely. If you'd said it in Parliament then he would

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 8>be in trouble. But that's he's just not up to it.

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 8>For all I've said again and again over twenty years,

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 8>I sat in that chamber with him, and nobody ever

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 8>said he was leadership material. And I watched I think

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:46.440
<v Speaker 8>Bridget mackenzie was pointing out that the troops are getting restless.

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 8>The ones who see themselves as potential leaders who do

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<v Speaker 8>a better job, they start to get redless.

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Because they start to see.

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 8>Is that my seat that's going?

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Where am I?

0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 3>It is?

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 8>It becomes like a tagent within a political party.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, Stephen, back to the shadow defense stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 2>what would you have said of a prime minister who

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 2>said that they've raised it at every possible level, but

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 2>the reality is they haven't.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, Paul, I know you have a real be in

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.839
<v Speaker 9>your bondom on this one. I just don't accept your

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 9>basic premise.

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 9>The way you're trying to interpret the Prime minister's words,

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 9>it's your interpretation of the primary resource.

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't agree. Okay.

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<v Speaker 9>One of the key differences, no one, no one remotely

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 9>thinks that meant he picked up the phone to g

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 9>and go on.

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 1>That was the impression you meant to make, Paul.

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:41.760
<v Speaker 9>That is that that is just a delusional interpretation. Okay.

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<v Speaker 9>The one key difference between labor and liberals on this

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:51.760
<v Speaker 9>issue is they're not conducting what you would call foghorn diplomacy.

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're screaming the Chinese rooftops just quietly.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you have gone made about that? Knock it off?

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 3>You would right as.

0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 2>A defense minister to the other defense at the moment,

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.720
<v Speaker 2>because the evidence at the moment is that didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 9>At the moment the Chinese engaged in such consistent, disruptive behavior,

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 9>you'd have to have a permanent open line to the Chinese.

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 9>That is not how diploment, how you want to try

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:25.279
<v Speaker 9>and explain it to And it was a disgraceful, a

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 9>disgraceful attack. But I'm a commentator. You're a commentator. We

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 9>get to do that. The failure of the last government

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<v Speaker 9>was that couldn't walk into gum when it came to China.

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<v Speaker 9>We're able to overtly openly critical.

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<v Speaker 8>Steven that the this current government keeps boasting about having

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<v Speaker 8>restored communications with the Chinese, which was absent from the

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<v Speaker 8>last government. You keep saying, as others do, but they

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<v Speaker 8>couldn't pick up a phone to make it complaint about

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<v Speaker 8>what had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>That handsome texting not critical. I'm not critical.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm not critical of the previous governments in terms of

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<v Speaker 9>it took some robust positions, but the sort of response

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<v Speaker 9>for your suggesting is as moronic as moronic as Tony

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<v Speaker 9>Habbitt going I'm going to shirt front Pewtin. If that's

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<v Speaker 9>the definition of diplomacy, I'll leave that to Bromwin and

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<v Speaker 9>Tony bish. But that's not how it were. I would

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<v Speaker 9>like in the real world of diplomacy to.

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<v Speaker 2>Ring the other defense miss to say hey, knock that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff off right, or hey can you tell.

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<v Speaker 3>Me more about this? There's a way I get it,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, just pick up the phone and start screaming.

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<v Speaker 2>But the idea that they are telling the Australian publics,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to Yeah that's the point, right slash.

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<v Speaker 9>They're going to ignore China. China are going to ignore

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<v Speaker 9>all of our protestations. It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, but.

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<v Speaker 1>People, he pretended that you are trying.

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<v Speaker 9>He is your interpretation, he said, he said we the

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<v Speaker 9>gravity is the word.

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<v Speaker 1>He was fine, and we have made that trade and go.

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<v Speaker 9>We means I picked up the phone and ruck call

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<v Speaker 9>g that's what That's what it means.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a quick one.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't think Trump will get convicted.

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<v Speaker 3>Just one newsplash for you, all right, Well from there

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<v Speaker 3>now you've made me happy. At the end you call

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<v Speaker 3>be disgraceful and all the rest of it. But we

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<v Speaker 3>agree on that. Thank you, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Meghan Kelly is nicked straight up of the break you're

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<v Speaker 2>on for Murray live her thoughts on the Trump trial from.

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<v Speaker 3>An agree that he shouldn't be found guilty.

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<v Speaker 6>Correct, Absolutely, our favorite time of the week to talk

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<v Speaker 6>to our favorite person in the world, none of them,

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<v Speaker 6>the wonderful Meghan Kelly in the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>How are a rock? Start?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 8>For so?

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<v Speaker 2>Closing arguments in the Trump trial, it took up all day.

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<v Speaker 3>This should have been like one hour your turn, one hour,

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<v Speaker 3>my turn. Let's get on with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Kill me.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean absolutely loving the sound of their own voices.

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<v Speaker 11>And I have to make a distinction here between the

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<v Speaker 11>defense and the prosecution. The defense has a man's potential

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<v Speaker 11>freedom on the line, potentially the freedom of the country,

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<v Speaker 11>the future of the free world, since they're banking on

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.680
<v Speaker 11>this thing stopping Donald Trump from winning. He took just

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:15.840
<v Speaker 11>over two hours, almost two and a half hours.

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<v Speaker 1>That actually is.

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<v Speaker 11>A reasonable amount of time. Could have done it shorter,

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<v Speaker 11>but it's not totally unreasonable. The prosecution estimated four and

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<v Speaker 11>a half hours. They're still going right now, and this

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<v Speaker 11>poor jury, they're only human. They have to sit there

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<v Speaker 11>and they have to look at the guy as he's talking,

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<v Speaker 11>and you know, for them, now this is our what

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<v Speaker 11>So four and a half two and a half says

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<v Speaker 11>six and a half.

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<v Speaker 12>Is that whatever is, it will be like seven hours.

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<v Speaker 11>And they have to actually keep looking at him like

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<v Speaker 11>I'm interested, I'm paying attention.

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<v Speaker 12>You know they're yawning. You know they're getting the glassy eyes.

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<v Speaker 11>And this prosecutor, had he been smart, would have kept

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<v Speaker 11>it tight, tight, tight, excuse me, Paul would have kept

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<v Speaker 11>it tight, tight, tight, would have gotten up there and saidification.

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<v Speaker 1>You know they did that.

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<v Speaker 11>Here's how you know of business records in order to

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<v Speaker 11>conceal or commit another unlevel act.

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:12.439
<v Speaker 12>Here's how they did that, and here's the unlovel act.

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<v Speaker 11>That's it done by keep it clear, give him three

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<v Speaker 11>clear points to hold on to when they go back

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<v Speaker 11>into the jury room. He made it harder for them

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<v Speaker 11>to understand this very complex legal theory and did himself

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<v Speaker 11>no favors.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that the prosecution has made its case.

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<v Speaker 2>So what did you think all of the defense and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get to that one jura who might hold

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<v Speaker 2>the whole process up and finish this thing off.

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<v Speaker 12>I didn't like it. I didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 11>I just he too, It's like, stop meandering, here's what happens.

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<v Speaker 11>People fall, So in love with the case that they

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 11>heard or they thought they tried, that they forget the

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<v Speaker 11>importance of clarity and brevity. Like the jury, I understand,

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 11>the rest of us have been on the outside analyzing

0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 11>this thing to Kingdom Come for weeks now. The jury

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:02.839
<v Speaker 11>was in there for all the evidence, but they're.

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<v Speaker 12>Not following it.

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 11>When they go home with NonStop CNN, Trump porn analysis

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 11>and every single podcast known to man and all the

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:13.359
<v Speaker 11>newspapers like, they're probably going home and doing what they're

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 11>supposed to do, which is tuning out the coverage and

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.919
<v Speaker 11>spending time with their families. So what they need now

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 11>is just a very clear roadmap. The best thing the

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<v Speaker 11>defense did was ten reasons why there's a reasonable doubt

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<v Speaker 11>that they ended with that.

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<v Speaker 12>That was very good.

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<v Speaker 11>That's a nice clear way of getting after their main points.

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 11>I actually thought they could have picked better points, to

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<v Speaker 11>be totally honest with you, But fine, that was the

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<v Speaker 11>clearest thing I've heard. But the prosecution's been all over

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<v Speaker 11>the map and still still, Paul, I think they'll be

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<v Speaker 11>rewarded for it, because, as you and I have discussed,

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<v Speaker 11>the case really comes down to the jury instructions and

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<v Speaker 11>the verdict form and that judge is going to lead

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<v Speaker 11>this jury right to the water that reads guilty. You know,

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<v Speaker 11>come here, wor see drink, drink from the out and

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<v Speaker 11>of guilt.

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<v Speaker 12>It's right here. And there have already been some rulings

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<v Speaker 12>behind the scenes. We have yet to see the jury instructions.

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 11>He hasn't released them, even though they are the public's business.

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<v Speaker 11>But we understand, for example, that the prosecution proposed a

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<v Speaker 11>jury instruction, and we've read that the defense did not object,

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<v Speaker 11>which seems impossible and I really hope is wrong. If so,

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<v Speaker 11>Trump's going to have an inassistance of council grounds for

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<v Speaker 11>appeal if he loses. But there is a suggestion in

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<v Speaker 11>these jury instructions that a general intent when it comes

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<v Speaker 11>to proving the fraud count is enough.

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<v Speaker 12>That's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>In the law.

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<v Speaker 11>There needs to be a specific intent when you're talking

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<v Speaker 11>about a fraud case. And the only areas in which

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<v Speaker 11>they say a general intent to defraud, like, gee, I'm

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<v Speaker 11>just going to commit a fraud. I'm going to commit

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<v Speaker 11>a fraud today. I'm just like some general people out there,

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<v Speaker 11>I don't know who. The only times where the courts

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<v Speaker 11>allow that, and the Supreme Court just only recently upheld

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<v Speaker 11>this is in connection with dough financial frauds money, which

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:05.719
<v Speaker 11>is even arguably the case here. So who specifically was

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:10.400
<v Speaker 11>Trump defrauding? The prosecution needs to say and hasn't because

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<v Speaker 11>their own jury instructions say just a general intent to

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<v Speaker 11>defraud the electorate is enough, and it seems like the

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:22.560
<v Speaker 11>defense didn't argue that point. And that's how this jury's

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 11>going to be instructed. That's just one of what I

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 11>guarantee will be many problems with these jury instructions that,

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<v Speaker 11>as I said, will lead the little horses right to

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<v Speaker 11>the fountain of guilt.

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<v Speaker 1>And what about the garbage outside tonight?

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Robert de Niro, officially sent by the Biden campaign, makes

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 2>himself look like an idiot and reminds us why Trump

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 2>is so popular.

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 12>It's so stupid. It was colossally stupid.

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:50.920
<v Speaker 11>If you're going to send somebody to go speak outside

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:53.840
<v Speaker 11>of the Trump trial, make it someone who's universally beloved,

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<v Speaker 11>like a Michelle Obama.

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:57.400
<v Speaker 12>You know, she's not universally loved, She's not loved on

0:46:57.440 --> 0:46:57.759
<v Speaker 12>the right.

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<v Speaker 11>But I'm saying, like, at least within the left and

0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 11>the center left and maybe even some center righties. Robert

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 11>de Niro has gone so hard partisan over the past

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:11.200
<v Speaker 11>eight years. He is like example number one of Trump

0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 11>arrangement syndrome. He's one of those on moving to Canada

0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:17.399
<v Speaker 11>if he wins, and he's never gonna leave the White House.

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.919
<v Speaker 11>If he wins, We're going to have Trump forever more.

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 11>I mean, hello, I hate to break it to you

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 11>because I realize you're advanced age too, Robert, but people die,

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<v Speaker 11>so we will leave one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to go.

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<v Speaker 11>And in the not too distant future, even if Trump

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 11>says he shouldn't have to.

0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:33.399
<v Speaker 12>But an event, he.

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<v Speaker 11>Didn't do that the last time, Paul, can you really

0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:37.320
<v Speaker 11>picture a scenario in which Trump is more determined to

0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 11>hold onto power than he was at the last time

0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:42.239
<v Speaker 11>in twenty twenty, you know, going into twenty twenty one.

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.479
<v Speaker 12>And what did he do? Ultimately he left. He did leave.

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:46.760
<v Speaker 12>He did it under protest.

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:49.399
<v Speaker 11>He was a baby about it, he pouted and then

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:52.320
<v Speaker 11>some but he left. So but this is the latest

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:56.120
<v Speaker 11>narrative from the left that he will never leave. And

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.160
<v Speaker 11>on top of that, they bring out two cops who

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 11>were there on January sixth at the usk Apital. Who

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 11>are I mean rabbid Trump haters who are on CNN

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:09.359
<v Speaker 11>every night telling another terrible story about Trump for their

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 11>feelings about So.

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:13.680
<v Speaker 12>It's likely no one's listening to them, like literally nobody.

0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 11>And so the other plan that we learned today that

0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:20.080
<v Speaker 11>the White House has is apparently Joe Biden, mister, I'm

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 11>not involved in any of this, even though I just

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:24.200
<v Speaker 11>sent my campaign to make comments about the trial at

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:27.760
<v Speaker 11>the trial site. Is when and if Trump is convicted,

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 11>prepared to deliver a statement himself from the White House,

0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:37.720
<v Speaker 11>which is totally inappropriate and totally stupid. Only in recent

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 11>eras like the recent era of Barack Obama, have we

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:44.200
<v Speaker 11>had presidents feeling the need to comment on legal cases

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:47.759
<v Speaker 11>that used to be a hard no no in the

0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 11>United States. Our presidents stayed out of the criminal justice system.

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:55.200
<v Speaker 11>Only Barack Obama started violating that norm, and now it's

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:58.400
<v Speaker 11>getting broken by everyone, and so we don't need to

0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:02.399
<v Speaker 11>hear the president comment on the criminal case of one man,

0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 11>whether it's Joe Schmoe or Donald Trump. He's obviously doing

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:10.000
<v Speaker 11>it for a political advantage.