Speaker 1: I get at welcomes another installment of the U project.
Speaker 1: It's Fatty Harps. It's where I am. Anyway, it's the
Speaker 1: nineteenth of December. We're sliding into Christmas like a piste
Speaker 1: bloke at a bar, just stumbling our way towards the
Speaker 1: fucking finish line of twenty twenty four. And you've spoken
Speaker 1: to the lady that we're about to speak to before
Speaker 1: you've heard her, or or you've heard her, I should
Speaker 1: say a couple of times, young Renee Ingles, Hi, how
Speaker 1: are you hi?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Actually, like that analogy metaphor that you just gave about
Speaker 3: stumbling into a bar, I think I'm actually like crawling,
Speaker 3: like to the finish line of what Christmas looks.
Speaker 1: Like, just crawling on the sticky carpet that's had way
Speaker 1: too much beer and spew on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right, exactly that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a visual that no one needs at all.
Speaker 1: You on your hands in these with your body torn jeans,
Speaker 1: just sticking to the carpet. Now, I see you brought
Speaker 1: a friend. I thought I just asked you, But you
Speaker 1: brought a friend along? Who's your friend?
Speaker 2: I did this?
Speaker 3: This is a man that has many, many titles. I
Speaker 3: could tell you that he has played in the NBA
Speaker 3: for eleven years, I could tell you that he's an
Speaker 3: Australian basketball legend, but I could also tell you what
Speaker 3: his most important title is, and that is dad to
Speaker 3: my three beautiful kids, hero in our household, and my
Speaker 3: husband Joe Ingles is here to join us. And let
Speaker 3: me just say, I know you did ask me to
Speaker 3: come on this podcast, but as many would know from
Speaker 3: the last podcast, Joe and I are doing again long distance,
Speaker 3: which more of our relationship has been long distance than
Speaker 3: actually together. So I thought, well, this is an hour
Speaker 3: that I don't get to talk to Joe, so why
Speaker 3: doesn't Joe just come in and have a chat in
Speaker 3: the conversation we spend this hour together.
Speaker 1: So well, I'm glad that we could be the conduit
Speaker 1: between you two, I mean all, albeit just us three
Speaker 1: and another twenty thousand or so people.
Speaker 5: O can I mate? How are you wonderful? Thanks for
Speaker 5: having me on. It's nice to see my wife today
Speaker 5: the first time. It's crazy having been.
Speaker 2: A part and this is the.
Speaker 6: First time we've done it for a little while now,
Speaker 6: but obviously with three kids and both pretty busy schedules,
Speaker 6: and yeah, we do what we can. But yeah, get
Speaker 6: to see my wife and I get to see you,
Speaker 6: so it's a win win.
Speaker 1: Fuck and hell, and look at what you're looking at?
Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever seen anything like this? Have
Speaker 1: you ever seen anything this good? At sixty one?
Speaker 2: Mate? What you're looking at?
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm living the bachelor life. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: so I don't shave anymore. I literally sit around in
Speaker 6: a cold house because I don'tven bother turning the heating
Speaker 6: on anymore, because Renee and the kids aren't here. So
Speaker 6: who got me Christmas tree up from? When the kids
Speaker 6: hasn't moved, hasn't had the lights on once. But life's good.
Speaker 2: You just do what you need to.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I saw you the turn, that idea
Speaker 1: of a vagrant did spring to mind, but like a
Speaker 1: well paid vagrant nonetheless, you know, like.
Speaker 4: Fit into the stereotype.
Speaker 1: Of Hey Joe, what are the pros and cons? I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's more cons than pros, But what are the
Speaker 1: pros and cons of living apart a fair bit of.
Speaker 2: The time, Probably not too many pros.
Speaker 6: Obviously, we did it a lot early on when we
Speaker 6: first kind of got together, and then even even early
Speaker 6: on in being engaged and stuff, and I think at
Speaker 6: that point it's probably as much as it still sucks,
Speaker 6: it's a bit easier because there's no kids involved. There's
Speaker 6: no anything like that. So we would obviously miss hanging
Speaker 6: out with each other, but it was just me and Renee.
Speaker 6: It wasn't anyone else involved. Now with the kids, this
Speaker 6: is really the first time doing this without any of
Speaker 6: the kids. And obviously Renee's got them pretty well, not
Speaker 6: pretty much, he does have them full time, and we've
Speaker 6: made it work as good as possible of obviously me
Speaker 6: getting home when I can, depending on the schedule, and
Speaker 6: then obviously Renee and the kids coming here whenever school
Speaker 6: and that schedule works out.
Speaker 2: So I mean, it sucks. It's always the hardest.
Speaker 6: Like they were here for nine days or eight days
Speaker 6: over Thanksgiving, which was awesome, and the day after they leave,
Speaker 6: I come back and I'm used to like a bit
Speaker 6: of a crazy household for those few days.
Speaker 2: And then I get back.
Speaker 6: And it's quiet, and I've got like a very humble
Speaker 6: four bedroom apartment that we're in, but it's I literally
Speaker 6: when they're not here, I use the bedroom and the sofa.
Speaker 6: I just go between the both. I don't go in
Speaker 6: the kitchen, I don't go in the laundry, so I.
Speaker 2: Definitely miss the cooking and cleaning and all the wonderful things.
Speaker 1: Well fucking hey, everyone, that was the NBA superstar. He
Speaker 1: said that, not me. I don't endorse all.
Speaker 2: Me and Rene. His joke.
Speaker 6: Renee is a very organized, clothed washer, Like the washing
Speaker 6: machine's going a lot of the time, And I like,
Speaker 6: I could go weeks throughout washing because I can just
Speaker 6: where I've got enough stuff. And so I mean, if
Speaker 6: I showed you the laundry, but Renee would vomit and
Speaker 6: you would probably laugh. But it's so choc a block full.
Speaker 6: Because I've been like two weeks, I'm like, I really
Speaker 6: don't need I just don't need to do it.
Speaker 2: So it sucks not being with them.
Speaker 6: But I think Renee and I both know it's it's
Speaker 6: always it's the short term.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be forever.
Speaker 6: And myself as a as an athlete, still trying to
Speaker 6: max out my last bit of my career.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 6: After that they've got me full time, which you might
Speaker 6: be kicking me out the door.
Speaker 1: At that point you might be hoping you go back
Speaker 1: and find another gig I on the OCD scale. If
Speaker 1: you're at ten on the OCD scale, would you say
Speaker 1: you're OCD or more just regular perfectionist?
Speaker 4: Regular perfectionist?
Speaker 3: And I would say the improvement in me in this
Speaker 3: area in the last three to five years is enormous.
Speaker 3: I have when I say it dropped my standards for me, Like, obviously,
Speaker 3: I think I've been doing a lot of self work
Speaker 3: and looking at all of those things and all of
Speaker 3: the things that were I was putting so much energy
Speaker 3: in and I've dialed all that back because it's just
Speaker 3: a waste of time and stuff that doesn't matter, and
Speaker 3: truly it takes me away from things that do matter. However,
Speaker 3: I would say my standards are probably higher than your
Speaker 3: average person, but that is more of a perfectionist me.
Speaker 1: And so like with a lot of people who are
Speaker 1: quite It's funny because I'm quite obsessive and quite a perfectionist.
Speaker 1: With some things, I'm you and with other things, I'm Joe.
Speaker 1: I do not give I'm like him. I could wear
Speaker 1: the same T shirt for a week.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't, but I could, right, I could.
Speaker 1: Turn the same pair of jocks inside out and back
Speaker 1: to front for I don't know ever, I don't, but
Speaker 1: like there's some things that when it comes to like
Speaker 1: work things or producing content or doing a presentation in
Speaker 1: front of a group, or do it my job, like
Speaker 1: I'm very pedantic, but I think with other things not
Speaker 1: so much. Is there an underlying fear or anxiety for
Speaker 1: you around things not being good enough or organized enough
Speaker 1: or perfect enough.
Speaker 3: I think it's always come down to me of that
Speaker 3: feeling of not being good enough. And I think particularly
Speaker 3: when it came to like I've always been a very safe,
Speaker 3: but very fearful person of what if or what if
Speaker 3: the judgment, what if this happens, or what if they
Speaker 3: don't like me in this and so much of what
Speaker 3: other people say or think or do are out of
Speaker 3: my control. Whereas how clean my house is, how much
Speaker 3: washing I have, how I perform in all of those
Speaker 3: dumb areas that really at the end of the day
Speaker 3: don't matter, are things that I for a really long
Speaker 3: time put a lot of control on, And particularly transitioning
Speaker 3: into the mum life and not having my career and
Speaker 3: standards in that aspect, I felt like there was nothing
Speaker 3: in my day that made me feel like I was
Speaker 3: achieving anything. So being this like superwoman housewife at home
Speaker 3: with you know, three kids or at the time the
Speaker 3: twins and Jacob's diagnosis, but having everything looking like it
Speaker 3: was perfect made me feel like I was achieving something
Speaker 3: or ticking those boxes. So it probably comes down to
Speaker 3: that fear of judgment and being liked. Now, the mental
Speaker 3: load on me, it just I can't be bothered, So
Speaker 3: I would just say now, I'm just far better at
Speaker 3: delegating that space or asking for help when I need
Speaker 3: to so that I'm not an angry wreck at the
Speaker 3: end of the day and my family don't get.
Speaker 4: The better version of me. That's what the difference is.
Speaker 3: Like, the mental load of thinking that I should or
Speaker 3: have to do all those things to be perfect just
Speaker 3: makes no sense at the end of the day because
Speaker 3: it was just taking away from me and my energy.
Speaker 3: So it was a combination of wanting to change and
Speaker 3: a combination of burning out. So having to change when
Speaker 3: it came to all of those perfectionist standards that I
Speaker 3: had in and around my career and home life and
Speaker 3: relationships and perception that I felt like everybody had of me.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, Like a lot of you know, I've worked
Speaker 1: with lots of athletes, and I'm interested in athletes who
Speaker 1: when they step away from their sport or their professional career,
Speaker 1: there's like this identity crisis. They don't know who they
Speaker 1: are anymore because that's like what they do and who
Speaker 1: they are is the same thing. And now I don't
Speaker 1: do that anymore. So who the fuck am I now?
Speaker 2: Was? Did that happen for you? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still happening.
Speaker 3: I think that's a constant conversation in this house of
Speaker 3: who am I?
Speaker 4: Without that? And honestly, my default is still, well, let's.
Speaker 3: Just get super fit again, super jacked, and get back
Speaker 3: on the netbook corn, go do what everyone says that
Speaker 3: you can't do.
Speaker 4: Not too old.
Speaker 3: For like, that's still the default because part of my
Speaker 3: identity is still tied up in the athlete and the
Speaker 3: achiever and all of those things. So that's a constant thing.
Speaker 3: And also for me, I think the identity shift came
Speaker 3: a little bit after I retired, because I retired and
Speaker 3: then COVID hit, So it was almost like a year
Speaker 3: to two of like not being like sport wasn't the
Speaker 3: same netbull happened, but it was a bubble and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I wouldn't have been in the bubble
Speaker 3: anyway because I've got three kids and husband country Like
Speaker 3: there was almost these excuses or like a band aid
Speaker 3: put on what retirement.
Speaker 4: Meant for me.
Speaker 3: And then when the world opened up again and sport
Speaker 3: came back, and experience came back, and traveling came back,
Speaker 3: and I was able to get into Australia and all
Speaker 3: of those things and put my feet on the soil
Speaker 3: in Australia, I went, oh, my gosh, I do miss
Speaker 3: this thing. What is the void? Where is what does
Speaker 3: that look and feel like? So still going through all
Speaker 3: of that process, John, when I talk about this daily,
Speaker 3: like who I am away from the athlete and the
Speaker 3: gym and how I tie myself up into that work,
Speaker 3: it's constant.
Speaker 2: I need to be careful how I asked the next question.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking before about you two, and I
Speaker 1: was thinking like, obviously, Joe's one of the best Australian basketballers,
Speaker 1: albeit looking like a vagrant at the moment, but nonetheless
Speaker 1: one of Australia's best players of all time. All that stuff, right,
Speaker 1: which is that goes without saying, but think about you
Speaker 1: you are maybe when you were at your peak, you're
Speaker 1: probably one of the best two or three netballers in the.
Speaker 2: World, arguably do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Arguably the best netballer in the world for a minute
Speaker 1: or two.
Speaker 2: There more than a minute or two.
Speaker 1: Do you is there any kind of I don't know, Joe,
Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Like, obviously you're a champion.
Speaker 1: I'm not undermining anything that you've done. It's fucking incredible.
Speaker 1: But do you think about how amazing your wife was
Speaker 1: an as an athlete in a sport that just doesn't
Speaker 1: get the accolades or financial rewards compared to what you
Speaker 1: guys do.
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, And like I mean even now, like we
Speaker 2: were over.
Speaker 6: In the States and people ask obviously they can look
Speaker 6: at Renee until she played some sport. We try and
Speaker 6: explain that ball, which obviously doesn't go down too well
Speaker 6: over here.
Speaker 2: But no, I'm like incredibly proud. It's to.
Speaker 6: I guess now be married to someone. But when we
Speaker 6: first met and kind of just two professional athletes and
Speaker 6: figuring out along the way, and obviously I knew a
Speaker 6: little bit about her, but then understanding like why and
Speaker 6: how she was so good, and I mean she went
Speaker 6: into a little bit with the OCD and perfectionist of
Speaker 6: like she was not going to let anyone be stronger, fitter, quicker,
Speaker 6: a better catch a thrower, like whatever it took, she
Speaker 6: was going to be the best at that, which is
Speaker 6: why she was a big, big reason and change of
Speaker 6: like little girls wanting to be wing defense and not
Speaker 6: throwing that bib away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I still still now, like when the question.
Speaker 6: Comes up of like who inspires you, who's your motivation?
Speaker 6: Like it's always obviously the kids are always a part
Speaker 6: of that. But seeing Renee at a professional level was
Speaker 6: like scary impressive because me and her are completely off
Speaker 6: in those senses, Like I'm a lot more laid back
Speaker 6: and just kind of let it come to me and
Speaker 6: I do what I need to do. And I've always
Speaker 6: been a professional and tick the boxes I need to
Speaker 6: tick to. I mean I've played nineteen years professionally now.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was always like, yeah, I always had
Speaker 6: a thing in my head of like if I could
Speaker 6: be like twenty percent of what Renee did, who knows
Speaker 6: what else I could have been able to achieve. So yeah,
Speaker 6: super impresident obviously, Now, like Renee said, like we speak
Speaker 6: daily and trying to figure out, like since she's retired,
Speaker 6: it's difficult, and I've probably made the joke of like
Speaker 6: thinking I know exactly what I want to do when
Speaker 6: I'm post career, but I'm sure I'll go through it
Speaker 6: at some point when I don't have basketball like I
Speaker 6: do now, and I'll have a pretty experienced person in
Speaker 6: that field to talk with about it. But no, it's
Speaker 6: really cool and obviously like super proud tow her as
Speaker 6: my wife and mother of our children. And yeah, everything
Speaker 6: she's doing off the court now is getting up there
Speaker 6: with just as impressive. But she does have more metals
Speaker 6: than me, so she beats me and all that she does.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to bring that up, but good humility,
Speaker 1: man has the body. Nate, how are you holding up?
Speaker 1: I asked you that last time. I think you told
Speaker 1: me you were kind of getting back on track, and
Speaker 1: I see a couple of Insta shots of you in
Speaker 1: the gym being somewhat jacked house things.
Speaker 3: Oh how do I even say how I am in
Speaker 3: that space? Fitness is a constant, like battle, but a
Speaker 3: constant energy taker and energy giver when it comes to
Speaker 3: me at the moment, people I think would look at
Speaker 3: me and say yeah, but you're fit, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I am, like I'm fit and I'm strong. But I
Speaker 3: think at the moment, I'm like, I'm starting to get
Speaker 3: that fireback of like what's next in the fitness space
Speaker 3: for me?
Speaker 4: I actually.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm like, do I run another marathon for charity
Speaker 3: and do that again for Culture City? But I'm not
Speaker 3: sure that's good for our marriage. Do I sign up
Speaker 3: for an iron Man or do something like that to
Speaker 3: raise money for charity? But I think all of those
Speaker 3: things are small band aids for still trying to fill
Speaker 3: that void.
Speaker 4: But I love being fit. I love feeling good.
Speaker 3: It gives me a journal and it gives me energy.
Speaker 3: I love working out.
Speaker 2: I sort of that is part of my Sunday night
Speaker 2: ball league I have.
Speaker 3: I've started tennis over here Grego and I love that.
Speaker 3: And then in January a basketball league started up that
Speaker 3: I got asked to come on a team, so I'm
Speaker 3: really excited for that. So feeling those voids in middleways,
Speaker 3: I still monthly get some state league netball teams from
Speaker 3: Melbourne ask if I want to come back and have
Speaker 3: a run around next year, but I'm sure that would
Speaker 3: break my body into pieces.
Speaker 4: But I.
Speaker 2: Don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting you should do it, but there's a
Speaker 1: big gap between your chronological and biological age.
Speaker 2: I would think, how old are you at officially.
Speaker 4: I'm thirty eight, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you your body ain't thirty eight though, Like you
Speaker 2: don't have thirty PM games? Oh yeah, yeah, Well that's
Speaker 2: a fucker ten.
Speaker 6: Thirty in warrigal Or where I don't even know where
Speaker 6: they are anymore.
Speaker 2: What do you want to be down there thirty on
Speaker 2: a Wednesday?
Speaker 4: Who knows? Who knows? I don't know. I'm like fit,
Speaker 4: but I'm a different fit.
Speaker 3: I'm strong at the moment, not necessary cardiovascular endurance fit.
Speaker 2: But you could pioneer the first netball league in the States.
Speaker 4: They do have netball leagues over here.
Speaker 3: It's still like very very amateur, and they are introducing
Speaker 3: it to college sports and stuff.
Speaker 4: I have been in talks and stuff with.
Speaker 3: Netball America and how I can help and coach and
Speaker 3: different aspects of that. But at the moment, especially when
Speaker 3: my husband lives in another state, it's a little bit
Speaker 3: hard logistically to go and sort of build that from scratch.
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean Craig Oh and I at
Speaker 3: the moment are in so many conversations, like I feel
Speaker 3: like my head's all over the place in terms of
Speaker 3: what's next because we're just trying to Like, it's really
Speaker 3: hard for us and where we're at right now to
Speaker 3: have a vision of what our future looks like in
Speaker 3: terms of where that is, Like, we can argue that
Speaker 3: it's best for the kids here in their schools and
Speaker 3: they're engaged and happy. Where's Joe's next career piece? Do
Speaker 3: we need to be with family and stuff in Australia.
Speaker 3: There's just so many angles that we can argue of
Speaker 3: what our future can and should look like that in
Speaker 3: a space now of like having to have those really serious,
Speaker 3: in depth conversations that are really difficult because we don't
Speaker 3: know what that future piece looks like. And part of
Speaker 3: that is that, like do I invest in that ball
Speaker 3: over here and start building that out? So I feel
Speaker 3: like I've got a bit more of a career identity
Speaker 3: in that space to like, where's Joe's next job going
Speaker 3: to be? In terms of playing? Does he want to coach?
Speaker 3: Does he want to go into front office? Does he
Speaker 3: want to take a break? Do we try like as
Speaker 3: just so many variables that we have to weigh up
Speaker 3: in our lives and look at at the moment that
Speaker 3: I'm having to get used to uncertainty and what that
Speaker 3: looks like.
Speaker 4: And I don't love that uncomfortable feeling.
Speaker 1: Guess what, baby cakes, Life is uncertain Life is uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and life gives no fucks about your emotions or your fear.
Speaker 2: So batten down the hatchet. She know that you know that,
Speaker 2: you know? It's like, how adaptable can you be? And
Speaker 2: for how long?
Speaker 1: That's pretty much like I reckon the number one question
Speaker 1: for life survival is pretty much how well can you
Speaker 1: solve problems?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And how how comfortable can you be? How good can
Speaker 1: you be in the discomfort? Like how comfortable can you
Speaker 1: be in that? You know, that equanimity, that calm in
Speaker 1: the chaos.
Speaker 3: What I'm realizing, though, is like Joe and I are
Speaker 3: like experts at actually being deep in the discomfort of
Speaker 3: the change, the transition and what all of those things are.
Speaker 3: I'm not sitting in the discomfort of the uncertainty of
Speaker 3: what that is. It's not actually a mess that scares me.
Speaker 3: It's not knowing, it's not knowing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean the thing is.
Speaker 1: But not knowing as fine, not knowing as part of
Speaker 1: the human experience, Like there's so much shit that you
Speaker 1: will never know. And it's okay, Like you don't like
Speaker 1: I think that idea that you need clarity and certainty
Speaker 1: about the next one two five years and you need
Speaker 1: it by fucking Friday night. It's like, just doesn't really happen.
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: I know, And I think for me is what is
Speaker 3: tying into that lack of identity piece?
Speaker 2: Is you know what Joe's thinking. He's thinking, thanks harp,
Speaker 2: That's what he's thinking.
Speaker 4: Absolutely is He's.
Speaker 2: Like, thank fuck, where's this bloke? Bean? I need to
Speaker 2: get him on speed dial? You know we're doing this
Speaker 2: each night, right? That is all right?
Speaker 1: Let me go back to something completely. Let me give
Speaker 1: Renee an emotional break on the couch. How's your body mate?
Speaker 1: How are you holding up?
Speaker 6: I've I've been very lucky throughout my career. I have
Speaker 6: just recently done my first CALF, which is an experience
Speaker 6: at thirty seven years old. Now, prior to that, I
Speaker 6: felt really good the last couple of years. I did
Speaker 6: my ACL three years ago.
Speaker 2: Now, so.
Speaker 6: Building back from that, and getting that kind of confidence
Speaker 6: back to play again, and yeah, realizing that I always
Speaker 6: seen people do a CL's achilles. One of my best
Speaker 6: mates did their achilles. I can seeing the rehab of
Speaker 6: it and probably not fully believing that it takes a
Speaker 6: couple of years to get back to like feeling yourself
Speaker 6: and then doing it myself and realizing exactly what those
Speaker 6: those other athletes have gone through. The last kind of
Speaker 6: like six or twelve months, I've really started to feel
Speaker 6: good again, and yeah, my body feels good, and probably
Speaker 6: having that year off of ACL probably did did good
Speaker 6: for me. I was definitely like mentally and physically a
Speaker 6: little bit drained before that, And.
Speaker 2: Who knows if I would still be playing if I
Speaker 2: if I didn't do that. But I feel good. I
Speaker 2: still really enjoy.
Speaker 6: Like the NBA and the guys on my team, and
Speaker 6: obviously being in the league and competing and doing all
Speaker 6: those things.
Speaker 2: And I do know, my mate, my days are counting down.
Speaker 2: I'm not unaware of that.
Speaker 6: And I mean it even went into the decision of
Speaker 6: coming here of like being on a on a really
Speaker 6: good group. We grew a really good team with a
Speaker 6: great group of guys, a great coaching staff. Obviously, the
Speaker 6: only kind of negative is being away from Renee and
Speaker 6: the kids. But yeah, just trying to maximize this kind
Speaker 6: of last little stin of my career out and before
Speaker 6: figuring out what Renee.
Speaker 2: Is going through right now. Yeah, yeah, it's now.
Speaker 1: This is a weird question, especially for an elite athlete
Speaker 1: on an interview, But so my audience is not your
Speaker 1: general sporting audience. It's about sixty five percent female and
Speaker 1: thirty five percent guys. For people who have not much
Speaker 1: of a clue, could you just tell them what a
Speaker 1: normal NBA season looks like in terms of how long
Speaker 1: is a season, how often do you play? Because I
Speaker 1: don't think people would grasp the chaos of what it
Speaker 1: is to be you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it.
Speaker 6: I think probably a lot of professionals was the NBA
Speaker 6: with our salaries being out there and everything that comes
Speaker 6: with it. Everybody loves to talk about the salaries and
Speaker 6: the nice car and we charter charter plane, charter flights.
Speaker 6: We have our own flight, our own plane to fly.
Speaker 2: To games and stuff, which is all great, don't get
Speaker 2: me wrong, But.
Speaker 6: So we usually start we've got to be in the
Speaker 6: kind of city that we're playing for at about August,
Speaker 6: end of August, start of September. Season starts about start
Speaker 6: to middle of October, so we have about a month
Speaker 6: of pre season, so through middle of October basically start
Speaker 6: of April, we play eighty two games, so we and
Speaker 6: we have one week off in February as a bit
Speaker 6: of an all Star break.
Speaker 2: So we we.
Speaker 6: Average probably four sometimes five games a week, And I think,
Speaker 6: what what the like? What people don't understand? Which is
Speaker 6: the difficult part. Again not complaining because I'm very, very
Speaker 6: lucky in what we do. But we will play a
Speaker 6: game wherever that might might be, and then we'll fly
Speaker 6: straight after the game, get to either the next city
Speaker 6: or home at two, three, four am, depending on where
Speaker 6: we're going. Practice the next day at eleven, ten or eleven.
Speaker 6: I might have a day off, depending whatever's but then
Speaker 6: play again. So you're basically playing every second game, every
Speaker 6: second day for basically that whole time. There's a few
Speaker 6: little windows where you get two or three days, and
Speaker 6: it's not, like I said, it's not hard. We stay
Speaker 6: in beautiful hotels, we get our own plane, We obviously
Speaker 6: get a lot of a lot of perks, but it's
Speaker 6: the obviously the physical fatigue, but also the mental fatigue
Speaker 6: of like getting in at three or four am, and
Speaker 6: obviously with Renee, like I would get up as often
Speaker 6: as I.
Speaker 2: Could to help help with the kids or get them
Speaker 2: to school and go to.
Speaker 6: Practice then and then after practice go help with We've
Speaker 6: got three kids at three different schools, so help with
Speaker 6: picking the kids up and then entertaining the kids and
Speaker 6: then heading off to a game and.
Speaker 2: Then and obviously just kind of repeating that cycle.
Speaker 6: So it is busy. Like I said, again, it's not
Speaker 6: like I love it. It's what I've done since I
Speaker 6: was seventeen. I don't know any different. I wouldn't know
Speaker 6: what to do if I didn't have a Yeah, the
Speaker 6: other part of it is like we we literally live
Speaker 6: since I've been seventeen, and we live off a text
Speaker 6: message the day before of what the schedule is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a rough idea.
Speaker 6: Of like you can look on the internet at the games,
Speaker 6: but like the daily schedule we do. Every day we
Speaker 6: get a text from from one of the group admin
Speaker 6: people and it says this is practice, this is your individual.
Speaker 2: Times, and that's what you do.
Speaker 6: So it's in terms of forward planning for someone like
Speaker 6: Renee is not an ideal what life to be part
Speaker 6: of the NBA, But like I said, it is what
Speaker 6: I'm used to. It's it is what it is, and with.
Speaker 2: My personality in the way I am, I find.
Speaker 6: It kind of reasonably easy in terms of that because
Speaker 6: I kind of just go with the flow anyway. So
Speaker 6: it's busy, but like I said, I love I wouldn't
Speaker 6: I wouldn't trade it for any job in the world.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Nay, do you think that you and Joe
Speaker 1: part of why you get on great? I'm assuming you
Speaker 1: get on great. That was very presumptuous you seem too,
Speaker 1: but this could all be a fucking act. Who knows,
Speaker 1: that could be the world's best charade. Do you think
Speaker 1: that part of why you two get on well is
Speaker 1: because you're, like, you're really fucking different, Like you two
Speaker 1: are so different, like chalk and cheese different.
Speaker 2: But you know that is probably a good thing, right.
Speaker 3: Well, And we knew that since day one, the day
Speaker 3: we met, we were completely different, and I think that
Speaker 3: has always been one of the things that kept us
Speaker 3: really strong.
Speaker 4: I think it's like at times hard.
Speaker 3: To navigate, obviously, because we come at different situations or
Speaker 3: problem solving in really different ways. But I've said since
Speaker 3: the day that we met that I was always running
Speaker 3: so fast and never never stopping. My brain wouldn't stop,
Speaker 3: my activity wouldn't stop. Always had to be busy and
Speaker 3: full schedule. And Joe's sort of at the other end
Speaker 3: of the spectrum of that, and it's been a really
Speaker 3: nice balance for me to come down and calm down
Speaker 3: a little bit and find a balance. And it like Joe,
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I mean this in the best
Speaker 3: way and love your pieces, but like raising his high
Speaker 3: performance standards and like where that sort of stuff can
Speaker 3: come up for him. We've been able to meet in
Speaker 3: the middle and find a really nice balance.
Speaker 4: And don't get me wrong, we.
Speaker 3: Drive each other nuts because of our differences, but it's
Speaker 3: also one of our strengths, I think. And there's always
Speaker 3: something surprising because we're so different, so we laugh a lot,
Speaker 3: and I think that's what is the most important usually
Speaker 3: at each other because of our differences. But yeah, it's
Speaker 3: sort of something since day one that we've embraced, I think.
Speaker 3: And then one of the biggest things that we've had
Speaker 3: in common is obviously our love for our athletic careers
Speaker 3: and always been able to find synergy in that and
Speaker 3: what our careers meant individually to ourselves, and understanding the
Speaker 3: sacrifices that we needed to make individually to achieve all
Speaker 3: that we were setting our sights on achieving, but then
Speaker 3: wanting that for the other person as well. And I
Speaker 3: truly think the lifestyle that we have over here, it's
Speaker 3: really difficult to get used to, and it's not a
Speaker 3: lifestyle that a lot of people understand until they're actually
Speaker 3: in it. But I think that is made easier for
Speaker 3: us as a couple because I was an athlete before
Speaker 3: and do understand the sacrifice and stuff that he needs
Speaker 3: to make in that space. Wouldn't necessarily do all of
Speaker 3: the same things in the way he does or doesn't prepare.
Speaker 3: But I've learned a lot over my career in how
Speaker 3: I helped my game because of what he was able
Speaker 3: to show me and teach me in all of those things.
Speaker 3: And what I will say, Joe, I'm not like throwing
Speaker 3: you under the bus, but I am a little.
Speaker 2: Bit is that I feel like she is.
Speaker 3: We're talking like he is the most laid back, relaxed person.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, but there are things that he's
Speaker 3: also very particular.
Speaker 4: On in terms of like.
Speaker 3: Outfits and T shirts and shoes and where the trackie
Speaker 3: pants like fit into the socks, and like your pregame
Speaker 3: routine and when your coffee is and like you're relaxed
Speaker 3: and you're flexible, but you also like things the way
Speaker 3: you like things too.
Speaker 2: Hey, don't fuck with his rituals, all right, that's.
Speaker 1: That's any of the Are any of those rituals superstitions?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Well, the only thing I've really used to.
Speaker 6: Do that I thought was like a supers But then
Speaker 6: I don't think like my biggest thing. Like Rene, we're
Speaker 6: so different in how we approached it, I think, and
Speaker 6: for me it was like.
Speaker 2: It was all it was.
Speaker 6: All I knew of how to approach It was like
Speaker 6: and then I meet Renee and it's like, oh shit,
Speaker 6: there's probably a few things I can do a little
Speaker 6: bit better.
Speaker 2: And I think vice versa.
Speaker 6: She was like, Oh, I probably don't need to do
Speaker 6: a B and C every single minute of every day
Speaker 6: to be okay for the game on one game a
Speaker 6: week on a Saturday. Yeah, Like I've got a few
Speaker 6: Like when when I mean this is different this year
Speaker 6: because I'm here by myself, but like I would get
Speaker 6: to the arena early. That was probably my main one
Speaker 6: of the main like the chaos of the day in
Speaker 6: the morning and whatever. I would get to the arena
Speaker 6: a bit early and that's it, and I would like
Speaker 6: shower and get organized, and that was kind of like
Speaker 6: the reset of like, all right, now I know Renee
Speaker 6: and the kids are good, They've.
Speaker 2: Had dinner or whatever. Now I've showered.
Speaker 6: Now I can kind of get ready and focus for
Speaker 6: the game. I mean, I'm very boring with like what
Speaker 6: Renee said with like I've got this one. I've been
Speaker 6: sponsored by Nike my whole career, so I've always just
Speaker 6: had Nike clothes for free.
Speaker 2: I've got this one other brand.
Speaker 6: That I wear clothing wise, and I don't venture out
Speaker 6: of that, and I wear like I could have the same,
Speaker 6: but I've got three hundred. We're kindred spirits, you know.
Speaker 1: I went to Southland the other day, which is a
Speaker 1: shopping center.
Speaker 2: Here, nit Rene is going to.
Speaker 1: Roll her fucking eyes because she's a goddamn goddess, right,
Speaker 1: I went to south Land.
Speaker 2: I only wear black T shirts.
Speaker 3: We spent all our time at southlande We have a
Speaker 3: house in Bomoros.
Speaker 2: Steady on.
Speaker 1: And I got there and I bought eight black T shirts.
Speaker 1: It took me twelve minutes in and out on the
Speaker 1: motorbike home. Total trip twenty six minutes. Fucking eight shirts.
Speaker 1: You welcome. Now, I just rotate those. I don't give
Speaker 1: people go you wear the same thing all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, I do, and it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Matter to me.
Speaker 1: That's the last thing I need to spend energy on
Speaker 1: is what you fucking think of my T shirt.
Speaker 6: And the funny thing for us in what we do
Speaker 6: is like the last maybe five six years has turned
Speaker 6: into this like fashion parade walking into the NBA arena
Speaker 6: people folk. There's actually awards that this like I don't
Speaker 6: even remember what it's called now, but like people get
Speaker 6: awards for who is like best dressed throughout the year,
Speaker 6: And I'm like, I could wear the same Nike like
Speaker 6: Wolves sweatsuit every single day because for me, it's like
Speaker 6: like tomorrow night, we got a game. It's on TNT,
Speaker 6: so we're on National TV tomorrow, big game against the Knicks.
Speaker 2: Who.
Speaker 6: We had a big trade right before the season started
Speaker 6: with the Knicks, so like our players coming back, the
Speaker 6: two guys we got are playing them for the first time.
Speaker 6: It's this big hype, like our guys are going to
Speaker 6: come some of the outfits tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Make sure you follow whoever posts them or whatever, because
Speaker 2: it'll be great.
Speaker 6: But my thing is like, I'm going to leave here
Speaker 6: at whatever six o'clock tomorrow night to go to the stadium,
Speaker 6: go do my thing, blah blah blah, do it, and
Speaker 6: then I'm going to come right back to this seat
Speaker 6: here at about midnight, like I don't know, understand.
Speaker 2: And then when we're on the road, you're getting on a.
Speaker 6: Plane anyway, you're sitting on a bus in the arena,
Speaker 6: taking all these fancy closer and putting them back on
Speaker 6: to sit on the plane for two hours to then
Speaker 6: go to the hotel and check back in. So for me,
Speaker 6: I've always been I'm like you, I don't care about
Speaker 6: what I wear, what I'd like. My teammates laugh at
Speaker 6: me all the time because I went and being a minute.
Speaker 6: So I just wear the same like hoodie and be
Speaker 6: I wear.
Speaker 1: I've worn this every day for about three weeks and
Speaker 1: I couldn't care less. But I'm warm, mate. It's all
Speaker 1: about function and comfort. That's Renee.
Speaker 6: And I will go out for dinner, She'll put on
Speaker 6: she always like she she likes her fashion.
Speaker 2: A little bit. And you look, show the throw the
Speaker 2: world on the camera your wardrobe. Can I just tell
Speaker 2: you everybody, we got to look. We got to look
Speaker 2: from missus Ingles then like that, are you fucking with me?
Speaker 2: Look so good? I will wear if we go to dinner?
Speaker 2: What do I wear to dinner? If we go to dinner, all.
Speaker 4: The same think they were to a basketball game. It
Speaker 4: never changed.
Speaker 6: Like black jeans if I have to get really fancy
Speaker 6: and a black T shirt, or if I'm going like
Speaker 6: to lunch or whatever, if it's black tracks and a
Speaker 6: black or maybe white T shirt.
Speaker 4: If I'm getting a little crazy, like crazy for me
Speaker 4: is jeans. Like let's just remember our first date and
Speaker 4: why you fell in love with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw the money from the netballs. I got
Speaker 2: to get this. That was right.
Speaker 6: He just went with thebes under the under the driver's
Speaker 6: I was like, oh my god, I get to drive
Speaker 6: the Vixen's car.
Speaker 4: Remember car cra like's bright?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, I remember it all.
Speaker 1: I can imagine him seeing you across the netty court
Speaker 1: and just going katching.
Speaker 2: Look at that.
Speaker 3: Must be milking it in Actually no, you know what
Speaker 3: every night and baked fish.
Speaker 6: She can't the first thing I what I mean, obviously
Speaker 6: knew she was a very attractive woman or younger woman
Speaker 6: back then, but when she rocked up, because she'd already
Speaker 6: she canned me about five times on like the first date, coffee,
Speaker 6: whatever we're going to do. And so the last time
Speaker 6: we did it, I'd gone out the night before and
Speaker 6: like wasn't expect because I'd always wake up the next
Speaker 6: morning to a text of like, oh, sorry I can't come.
Speaker 2: I've got blah.
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah to day or I'm like whatever, fucking
Speaker 6: I guess I'll never see this girl. And then she
Speaker 6: rocked up the first time and she had like a
Speaker 6: sweatsuit on trackis and a hoodie and I was like, fuck,
Speaker 6: I'm in here, this is a fellow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those first those first five cancelations, were they bullshit
Speaker 1: or legit?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What's the go with that? Tell us Like, let's.
Speaker 3: Just like at that time of you know what I
Speaker 3: was like back then, Crago, we'd go out every weekend Netbull.
Speaker 3: We'd play on a Friday night for the Melbourne Phoenix
Speaker 3: and Vixen's or like you're playing on Sunday, so you
Speaker 3: kind of had a night every time to go out
Speaker 3: and basketball where much the same.
Speaker 4: Joe was playing in Australia.
Speaker 3: I'd see him in the clubs, you know, and in
Speaker 3: my mind I was like, dating in elite athletes not
Speaker 3: for me. I'm like, I'm a relationship list. I'm always
Speaker 3: in relationships. The elite athlete life is just not for me.
Speaker 3: I don't trust a lot of people. And then ditched
Speaker 3: him five times and then met him and said, oh god,
Speaker 3: this guy, I actually like him.
Speaker 2: I Renee. His mother, Margaret had a bit of a
Speaker 2: hand in that. She as much as we've gone blows
Speaker 2: over the years about little things, she was the one
Speaker 2: that made Rene go on the first date.
Speaker 6: So shout out to little old Margie out in Phillip Island.
Speaker 2: Renee reminds me of Renee back in the day.
Speaker 1: You probably know this, but shouted t shirt that said
Speaker 1: give us a hug and a baseball cap that said
Speaker 1: but fuck off.
Speaker 2: Though it's like that, a little bit of her was
Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, a red food brou shir this love.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's hilarious. Hey, no, how do you think
Speaker 2: you're going to go at basketball.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm going to like get MVP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have you played, Like, I'm sure you've
Speaker 1: played a bit, but have you ever played in a
Speaker 1: team for a season or something.
Speaker 3: I played until I was sixteen and was definitely not
Speaker 3: good compared to netball, Like I was a netballer, not
Speaker 3: a basketballer. And then actually, after I had the twins
Speaker 3: in Salt Lake City, I played in a league in
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City out of this random little church with
Speaker 3: this random group who a couple of them have Actually
Speaker 3: we've stayed really close as friends. So I was a
Speaker 3: bit wobbly on my feet then, but I actually knew
Speaker 3: in my mind that I was going to be coming
Speaker 3: back to netball, so I thought playing basketball might help
Speaker 3: me get my feet going a little bit back on
Speaker 3: the court.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm really really excited to hit the basketball
Speaker 4: court again. I've got no.
Speaker 3: Basketball skill, but I'm athletic, so I think I can
Speaker 3: rebound the ball and I think I'm going to steal
Speaker 3: it and pass to someone else to dribble.
Speaker 6: And true, that's kind of how Obi. She's going to
Speaker 6: be the best have the best shoes in the game.
Speaker 2: One percent per Hey, So I'm going to ask you both.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you both a question and you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to answer it straight away because I want
Speaker 1: to ask you both the same question, and I don't
Speaker 1: want you to confer. So from zero percent to one
Speaker 1: hundred percent? What are the chances that in five years
Speaker 1: you'll be living in Australia. I both want you to
Speaker 1: get so zero percent you know you won't be living
Speaker 1: in Australia at all. One hundred percent? Absolutely, what's the percentage?
Speaker 1: I want you each to think of it and then
Speaker 1: don't fucking change mind when the other one says the answer. Rene,
Speaker 1: We're going to start with you in five years time?
Speaker 1: What's the percentage.
Speaker 2: Chance going to be? I'm going to write mine down
Speaker 2: so you guys know that I'm not lying. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: write it down? You write it down? Renee, do you
Speaker 2: have pen and paper or no? I can?
Speaker 4: Do you want me say?
Speaker 2: I've written down? Write it down? Okay?
Speaker 1: And when let's do this, which is terrible for an
Speaker 1: audio podcast, but I'll tell everybody the results. We might
Speaker 1: put a snap on socials, okay on three on three?
Speaker 2: Ready? One, both both of you? Now, mine's on my phones.
Speaker 6: I might not be as cool, but okay, three two,
Speaker 6: one oh, hang on, So eighty percent and does that
Speaker 6: say thirty seven percent?
Speaker 2: Thirty seven? Wow?
Speaker 1: So missus Ingles thinks there's an eighty percent chance that
Speaker 1: the family will be in Australia in five years. Mister Ingles, Fuck,
Speaker 1: this is this is going to be a scoop. This
Speaker 1: will be in the Herald Sun in Melbourne tomorrow, do
Speaker 1: you yeah? This could be everyone? This could like if
Speaker 1: the marriage is on the rocks in six weeks, you
Speaker 1: know where it started.
Speaker 3: Five years, we're going to know who wears the pants.
Speaker 3: That's what we're going to know.
Speaker 1: Nate, where does your Okay, let's let's unpack this, not
Speaker 1: for too long, because I really don't want to start
Speaker 1: some kind of domestic fucking implosion.
Speaker 6: It's actually funny because we've been talking about this a
Speaker 6: lot the last like a few months.
Speaker 2: So right, right, I've got my I've got my reasons
Speaker 2: for that number. Right, I'm sure. Let's let's hear your case.
Speaker 2: Let's hear your case. Joe first, All right, Nate, what
Speaker 2: do you think there's an eight out of ten chance
Speaker 2: you'll be back here?
Speaker 3: The fact that we're talking about the option of it
Speaker 3: so much right now makes me believe, given that that
Speaker 3: conversation is happening, that there's something under their bubbling. And
Speaker 3: I think in five years we're going to have a
Speaker 3: lot more perspective or understanding or awareness of what Joe's post.
Speaker 4: Career looks like.
Speaker 3: And I think we could really happily be here for
Speaker 3: another one, two, three, four, five years. But I just
Speaker 3: think the fact that this the conversations are bubbling that
Speaker 3: in five years, the age of all of our kids
Speaker 3: and the resiliency that they'll have then compared to even.
Speaker 4: Now, is young.
Speaker 3: And after a few couple of moves, I just think, yeah,
Speaker 3: in five years, every like so much can change in
Speaker 3: five years. I think about how much older my parents.
Speaker 3: My parents will be seventy in five years. So what
Speaker 3: does their helse look our families?
Speaker 2: Oh she got you there, big fella, she got you there.
Speaker 2: That's like an ace.
Speaker 1: He's played the emotional joker card boom.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I if you had said, like the question was
Speaker 6: phrased like would we end up in Australia, I think
Speaker 6: we will end up probably living in Australia at some
Speaker 6: point for the rest of our lives. Like five years,
Speaker 6: ten years, like whatever they did will I would be
Speaker 6: very confident to say we would live like things would
Speaker 6: have to be dramatically amazing over here for us to
Speaker 6: stay here like forever.
Speaker 2: So I do think we will live.
Speaker 6: In Australia at some point, at whatever age that is,
Speaker 6: for the rest of our lives. But I don't think
Speaker 6: it'll be in fire like Renee said, Like we've we've
Speaker 6: talked about it a lot.
Speaker 2: We go back and forth. We one day we're like America,
Speaker 2: one day we're Australia.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'm at like, I technically agree with Rene's
Speaker 6: eighty percent, but I think I just think it'll be
Speaker 6: it'll be some point down like somewhere down.
Speaker 2: The track.
Speaker 3: Actually as well, because part of the conversations Craigo that
Speaker 3: Joe and I have a lot is.
Speaker 4: That move is made.
Speaker 3: It's final, Like we're not going to be moving country
Speaker 3: to country backwards and forwards if it's the right decision.
Speaker 3: So it would have to be very known that that
Speaker 3: is the right decision.
Speaker 1: So I need to need a marriage guidance counselor I
Speaker 1: just want to say you're welcome, I'm here.
Speaker 2: Rates are very reasonable.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that I'm fucking making your
Speaker 1: marriage better, but I mean data, you know, So, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just.
Speaker 4: Going to run our marriage now.
Speaker 3: Whenever we're talking, we're just going to have to go, okay,
Speaker 3: write your percentage down and.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, sure. It's actually a pretty smart idea, come.
Speaker 3: To understanding where we're both at in terms of these decisions.
Speaker 6: That number you're going to You're going to think I
Speaker 6: was crazy, but yeah, I genuinely do think we we will.
Speaker 6: I mean, I know we will live in Australia at
Speaker 6: some point, but it is I think too like what
Speaker 6: I think people feel like, we're We're clearly Australian. We
Speaker 6: love Australia, we will live in Australia, but we've also
Speaker 6: like we've also been here for this is like at
Speaker 6: the end of this year, we've been here twelve years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't been three years. Like this is at
Speaker 2: the moment, this is home.
Speaker 6: Home is like our home home right now is in
Speaker 6: Orlando's where Renee is sitting right now, and our kids
Speaker 6: are happy, Jacob's thriving in his school there. We're not
Speaker 6: just going to pack all that up in the next
Speaker 6: few months to move back to Australia. Because we want
Speaker 6: to live in Australia there there has to be some
Speaker 6: great reasons.
Speaker 2: There has to.
Speaker 6: Be schools for Jacobs, schools for the other two kids
Speaker 6: post career, what I want to do obviously what Renee
Speaker 6: wants to do with her working career wants once we
Speaker 6: figure all that out, So yeah, I definitely think we'll
Speaker 6: be back. There would just be a matter of when
Speaker 6: it is.
Speaker 1: What is the biggest adaptation Renee that you had to
Speaker 1: make living in the States, Like, what was the thing
Speaker 1: that you had to not necessarily that was bad, but
Speaker 1: like for you you really needed to adapt and adjust
Speaker 1: to something.
Speaker 4: What's the biggest adaptation? I good question. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Is it just just being away from family or something, or.
Speaker 3: I think so because I'm really really close to my family.
Speaker 3: I speak to my family every day while we're over here,
Speaker 3: So there's obviously logistics and stuff that comes into that
Speaker 3: with time differences. But I'd say one of the other
Speaker 3: adaptations is like, I think it would have been a
Speaker 3: really natural career move for me once I finished playing
Speaker 3: netball to move into another role in netball, and.
Speaker 4: That hasn't been able to happen.
Speaker 3: But I also think that's been a strength, Like the
Speaker 3: amount that I am learning and growing over here in
Speaker 3: another country, in another environment, with different people, different cultures,
Speaker 3: the different cities we've lived over here. I just think
Speaker 3: the information that Joe and I gaining from the experience
Speaker 3: that we're having over here, I believe far outweighs me.
Speaker 3: When we do decide to move back to Australia, we
Speaker 3: bring all of that back with us. So wel it's
Speaker 3: a yeah, you can argue it so many ways. It's
Speaker 3: like what we spoke about last time was on your podcast.
Speaker 3: To everything that's a costom there's a reward, but we're
Speaker 3: really like we love life in Orlando. Will definitely say
Speaker 3: that we just don't have a community here, like it's
Speaker 3: pretty lonely.
Speaker 1: So that Joe, do you get I don't know what
Speaker 1: the word is, but I don't know I'm going to
Speaker 1: go with this. I don't even know if this is
Speaker 1: a term, but recognition fatigue where people go hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: do you just wish you could just go somewhere and
Speaker 1: nobody goes hey are you? Aren't you kind of a selfie?
Speaker 1: Like does that wear you out? Or is that what is?
Speaker 2: Or does it just depend on how you're feeling on
Speaker 2: a day.
Speaker 6: Probably a little bit depending on how I'm feeling the
Speaker 6: if if I'm ever with Renee or the kids, I
Speaker 6: can be an absolute, complete, very rude, which Renee would
Speaker 6: Renee would like try and like run over there and
Speaker 6: apologize for me if I'd said something to someone and
Speaker 6: they The biggest like trigger for me with those things
Speaker 6: is everybody knows what we're doing, how much we're paid,
Speaker 6: where we like, where we live, where, like everything is
Speaker 6: so public and the one time or whatever it is,
Speaker 6: once or twice a week when I'm with my kids
Speaker 6: at a restaurant or at a park, like, just let.
Speaker 2: Me be with my kids at And in saying that,
Speaker 2: I get what.
Speaker 6: Being a professional athlete being in the NBA, I get
Speaker 6: what brick like what comes with that.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying.
Speaker 6: I hate it whatever it is, but it does get Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's probably a good word, Like the fatigue is is
Speaker 6: a real thing with that, And I'd definitely like, I mean,
Speaker 6: there's probably a million people I would have to apologize
Speaker 6: to that I have been rude to, but I would
Speaker 6: hope that they stand to some level of like I
Speaker 6: don't get to see my kids that often.
Speaker 2: I don't get to spend this time.
Speaker 6: Having a waffle with my daughter at a like all
Speaker 6: these little things that people get to do everything every
Speaker 6: Saturday or everyone.
Speaker 2: I don't get to do these things.
Speaker 6: I missed Miller's Little class show today, Like I don't
Speaker 6: get to go to these things. So I would like
Speaker 6: some people would probably argue that I would be lying,
Speaker 6: but I would be more than happy when I stopped
Speaker 6: playing to never be recognized again and just be with
Speaker 6: Renee and the kids and live on a nice big
Speaker 6: block of land with no neighbors.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I believe it. I believe you hate Nay.
Speaker 1: I wanted to well, I want to talk to you
Speaker 1: both about and we'll start to wind up because I
Speaker 1: know you don't have all day, but thank you for
Speaker 1: chatting to me.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I was talking this morning about I was talking with
Speaker 1: somebody about, you know, some of the athletes that I've
Speaker 1: worked with over the years who were like, hugely talented
Speaker 1: but really just didn't do it because whatever they couldn't
Speaker 1: manage their fear or anxiety or emotions, or they had
Speaker 1: a shit work ethic, or they were lazy, or they
Speaker 1: got fucking offended every four minutes or you know, and
Speaker 1: then other people that. And one of the examples I
Speaker 1: gave was Jackie Cooper, the aerial ski jumper. So she
Speaker 1: went to five Olympics. I trained her for nearly twenty years,
Speaker 1: you know, five time world champion, five time Olympian, like,
Speaker 1: and she would tell you not that gifted.
Speaker 2: And I would like, as an athlete, you.
Speaker 1: Throw a ball that hits her in the face, right,
Speaker 1: like not but a good like the toughest person, maybe
Speaker 1: the toughest athlete I've ever trained in terms of resilience.
Speaker 1: And talk to me a little bit about like I think,
Speaker 1: I think about optimizing potential, and I think about you,
Speaker 1: like you were talented anyway, but then on top of that,
Speaker 1: you added this work ethic and this borderline obsessive kind
Speaker 1: of attitude and you know, ticking every box and all
Speaker 1: this stuff. Then I think about Joe and I think,
Speaker 1: maybe he's lasted so long because he's kind of fucking
Speaker 1: laid back. Maybe a completely different approach, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't think there's one way to
Speaker 1: optimize potential. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's one winning recipe in that
Speaker 3: I think in terms of when it came to me
Speaker 3: and my underlying work ethic. It was always came from
Speaker 3: a place of regardless of what game I'd won, or
Speaker 3: championship I'd won, or if I felt like I was
Speaker 3: lucky enough and got an individual award, whatever those things were,
Speaker 3: there was an underlying feeling in me that I was
Speaker 3: never good enough, and I think that drove the work ethic.
Speaker 3: It was almost like, well, I'll prove my way or
Speaker 3: all hard work way into that, and that was almost
Speaker 3: like my inner dialogue. I think when it comes to
Speaker 3: Joe and Joe play, jump in and correct me if
Speaker 3: I'm wrong at any stage. What I've always admired about
Speaker 3: Joe is He's had this inner burn to like prove
Speaker 3: people wrong, or this underlying belief in himself as a
Speaker 3: basketballer on the court and his ability and what he
Speaker 3: brings to a team, which he like along the way,
Speaker 3: has taught me, or like even like the reflecting on
Speaker 3: a failure or whatever it is, Joe's always been really
Speaker 3: good at like just flicking the switch and moving on,
Speaker 3: And like the NBA is part of that, Like they
Speaker 3: play so often, they can't wallow, whereas netball and our
Speaker 3: performances and me not missing out on teams or whatever
Speaker 3: that stuff was. Netball and basketball have quite a different culture,
Speaker 3: I think when it comes to those things. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel like I always lacked the inner self belief
Speaker 3: that I felt like if I wasn't trying to get
Speaker 3: one percent better, then that one percent would be the
Speaker 3: reason I didn't make a team or that we did lose,
Speaker 3: or that I failed.
Speaker 4: And I never wanted that to be on me. I
Speaker 4: wanted to write, couldn't.
Speaker 3: Have worked any harder, like, there's no excuse from that aspect,
Speaker 3: Whereas Joe has had this god given talent and people
Speaker 3: along the way that have sort of said, no, you're
Speaker 3: not going to make it, or your teacher Joe when
Speaker 3: you're in primary school saying no, like you need to
Speaker 3: pick a different career, and him going whatever, This is
Speaker 3: what I always had that in a self belief.
Speaker 2: Oh missus, i'rilly, you fucked up. You got it wrong.
Speaker 2: He fucked up a lot.
Speaker 6: I think I definitely don't think there's one like. I mean,
Speaker 6: there's two recipes right here that are completely different and
Speaker 6: have both had hell of a sporting career. I think
Speaker 6: for me it was always yeah, that that inner like
Speaker 6: because I was never I was never the best on
Speaker 6: any of the teams I was.
Speaker 2: I was never I was.
Speaker 6: I think one of the things I have been really
Speaker 6: good at is like the consistency of what I've done.
Speaker 2: Like I've I've always worked hard, I've always showed up.
Speaker 6: I don't I don't miss practice, I don't miss days,
Speaker 6: I don't miss games. I don't like I've always just played,
Speaker 6: practiced and done everything at a at a at a
Speaker 6: pretty consistent level. And like I said, whether that's right,
Speaker 6: Like there's probably some things I could have done differently
Speaker 6: that maybe I would have been a little bit better
Speaker 6: or a little bit quicker or whatever it is. And
Speaker 6: I think along the way you find those things out.
Speaker 6: Like I mean, one of the people that I'm still
Speaker 6: I just spoke to him tonight, a guy called Mike Elliott,
Speaker 6: who's one of my performance directors in Utah, kind of
Speaker 6: changed my whole thought process of my career. Like I
Speaker 6: played five years straight or something under him, didn't miss
Speaker 6: a game. I played like five hundred games straight without
Speaker 6: missing a game in the NBA and playing in the
Speaker 6: summers with the Olympics and stuff like that, and just
Speaker 6: just different different people along the way that can teach you, like,
Speaker 6: I'm never going to have the same athleticism or body
Speaker 6: tie or whatever is Anthony Edwards one of my teammates,
Speaker 6: or as Dante DiVincenzo or whoever the's got like the
Speaker 6: Americans or whoever it is. But I know what I'm
Speaker 6: really good at. I know what I what I can
Speaker 6: do to help help our team or my team, and
Speaker 6: I've just tried to always stay really consistent with that.
Speaker 2: Where yeah, just I don't know, I think that then that.
Speaker 4: Is the recipe.
Speaker 3: Then it's actually it's not playing the comparison game and going, well,
Speaker 3: he or she is doing this, so I need to
Speaker 3: try and do this as well, because they achieved it by.
Speaker 4: Doing it this way.
Speaker 3: I need to find what my winning recipe is for
Speaker 3: me and embrace that and like full step with which
Speaker 3: way both of us are done.
Speaker 6: I can one hundred percent like and I'm still very
Speaker 6: confident in what I do. But there is a lot
Speaker 6: of players that are better than me, that haven't.
Speaker 2: Had as long an NBA career as me, purely.
Speaker 6: Because I've accepted a role, like I knew who I
Speaker 6: was and I accepted that role. And yeah, of course
Speaker 6: I'm always trying to get better and play more minutes
Speaker 6: and like make more money and do all those things
Speaker 6: that we do as athletes.
Speaker 2: But I knew, I knew who I.
Speaker 6: Was as a as a player and as a teammate,
Speaker 6: and like I still now, I'm like the joking asshole
Speaker 6: of every team I've been on, Like I can be
Speaker 6: a prick, but I'm a good teammate. Like all my
Speaker 6: teammates would say they enjoy being around me. But I'm
Speaker 6: also going to call it straight when I need to,
Speaker 6: Like it's just who I am. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 6: I think there's different for everyone, But I think, yeah,
Speaker 6: like accepting the role that I was kind of given
Speaker 6: and then trying to be really good at that role
Speaker 6: is why I've lasted as long as I have compared
Speaker 6: to Like I know, for a fact, I could probably
Speaker 6: name people that I know are better and more talented
Speaker 6: and quicker and faster than me. But I didn't want
Speaker 6: to accept certain roles for whatever reason. Maybe it was
Speaker 6: valid and whatever, but I knew what was going to
Speaker 6: keep me in this league, and I've done everything to
Speaker 6: do that, and I think I've proved that I that
Speaker 6: I can do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go, all right? I mean, you know, Craig Harper,
Speaker 1: but look you go, all right, well done? Well were
Speaker 1: you the leading three point score at Utah?
Speaker 2: There's only one of us. I'm at the top. Welcome
Speaker 2: back to the Humble Hour with Joe Ingles. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you how humble I am.
Speaker 6: So fuck it was honestly one of my like I've
Speaker 6: been like, the bronze medal with the Australian team is
Speaker 6: always going to top everything that I've been able to
Speaker 6: do with my sporting career because it was the first
Speaker 6: one ever. But to come to the NBA at twenty
Speaker 6: seven and really not be looked at to come over
Speaker 6: here much before that at all. And then, like Rene
Speaker 6: said before, we loved our time in Utah and all that,
Speaker 6: and we got embraced and had a hell of a
Speaker 6: community there of pretty cool people. But to then say
Speaker 6: you broke a record of a franchise that had John
Speaker 6: Stock and Calm Alone or like all these guys playing,
Speaker 6: and yeah, grant a very different league now to then
Speaker 6: like whatever, But to still say I was number one.
Speaker 6: So when Donovan Mitchell got traded from Utah, who was
Speaker 6: about to catch me? So they traded him at the
Speaker 6: perfect time. So he's still number two. I think, so, yeah,
Speaker 6: you got you're.
Speaker 1: Listening suffering your jocks mate. It is interesting though, in
Speaker 1: a it's like different things work for different people, right
Speaker 1: in that you know, you can have like what will
Speaker 1: be the ideal training program for you would be a
Speaker 1: terrible training program for someone else.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like what is like when people I get a
Speaker 1: lot of older dudes ask me how I train and
Speaker 1: how I eat and and all that, like my model,
Speaker 1: my operating system. I'm like, yeah, don't do what I
Speaker 1: do though, because you're not me, Like, you'll fucking die
Speaker 1: if you do what I do because I ate two
Speaker 1: meals a day and I'm the most most boring motherfucker
Speaker 1: in Australia. So don't do what I do because you
Speaker 1: won't last. And it's not because I'm tough, it's just
Speaker 1: that's what works for my mind, my brain, my body.
Speaker 2: And I think there.
Speaker 1: Is this kind of when we talk about high performance
Speaker 1: or positive change or growth or I don't think a
Speaker 1: lot of people think with you know, when it comes
Speaker 1: to training or recovery or nutrition or getting strong or
Speaker 1: developing skill or there's a best way. But the truth
Speaker 1: is there isn't. There's like your best way, Joe's best way,
Speaker 1: my best way, and there's a bunch of variables around that.
Speaker 1: And it's trying to actually figure out not only how
Speaker 1: your body works, but how your brain and your mind
Speaker 1: and your emotional system works so that you can get
Speaker 1: the best out of you. You know, and as I
Speaker 1: can't say who, but I worked at some Kilda footy
Speaker 1: club for a while and I remember a coach talked
Speaker 1: to a player that I knew the player extremely well,
Speaker 1: in fact, he worked for me. And I saw this
Speaker 1: guy try this communication style with this guy which was
Speaker 1: completely fucking wrong for this guy's personality and the moment
Speaker 1: he basically attacked him in an effort to try to
Speaker 1: get him to perform, but it was the guy just
Speaker 1: shut down. I'm like, you're a fucking idiot. That guy
Speaker 1: is now going to hate you and never going to
Speaker 1: do anything for you. And that's what happened, Like he
Speaker 1: just destroyed because he didn't understand how to communicate and
Speaker 1: connect and inspire this person. And he would use the
Speaker 1: same model for every personality and so it's very hit
Speaker 1: and miss, like you can't you can't talk to ten
Speaker 1: different people the same way and expect the same outcome.
Speaker 1: That just shows your lack of social and emotional intelligence.
Speaker 3: I do think though Crago, like back in that time
Speaker 3: and when you were with Saint Kilda, you were ahead
Speaker 3: of the game in terms of that stuff. Like I
Speaker 3: think sport now has evolved and there is a more
Speaker 3: of an understanding of the individuals as human beings in sport.
Speaker 3: So I think that that thought pattern that you had
Speaker 3: an understanding, especially in like the old school AFL environment,
Speaker 3: like you're a I'm being able to understand that and
Speaker 3: have the emotional telligence of that. But I would agree
Speaker 3: that there's no winning recipe that is broad enough.
Speaker 4: That everyone can fit under that blanket.
Speaker 3: It's about finding for yourself what works for you your mind,
Speaker 3: your body, your soul, your recovery, you sleep, all of
Speaker 3: those things. And then the winning recipe on top of
Speaker 3: that is when you see an opportunity, fucking take it
Speaker 3: like yeah, don't there and what you've got to take
Speaker 3: it whatever, And that I think has been true for
Speaker 3: Joe and I cross both of our careers in so
Speaker 3: many different ways and formats. But you've got to take
Speaker 3: the opportunities because if you don't, someone else will.
Speaker 1: I could talk to you guys all day, but you
Speaker 1: probably got more important things to do to talk to
Speaker 1: a fucking and nobody in Australia on his dinky little podcast. Hey,
Speaker 1: well say goodbye, fair but mate, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for taking the time out. I hope that old man
Speaker 1: injury of yours recovers quite quickly. You know it's an
Speaker 1: old man injury, right, I've been I've been told that
Speaker 1: several times, but.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 6: I've put myself on like a media band. So this
Speaker 6: is the first time anyone's going to hear from me
Speaker 6: in about for the last three years.
Speaker 2: So oh wow, I think wow.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I fucking groundbreaking, but I'm groundbreaking.
Speaker 2: Nay, thank you so much. What time is it over there?
Speaker 1: It's one thirty five here in the thriving Metropolis PM.
Speaker 3: It's nine thirty five PM for me and eight thirty
Speaker 3: four Joe.
Speaker 2: All right, well say goodbye for the moment.
Speaker 1: But Joe and Renee, thank you so much for ben
Speaker 1: on you project, make good luck for the rest of
Speaker 1: the season, and I hope that body looks after you
Speaker 1: and appreciate you both.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having us, Thanks having