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Speaker 1: I get at welcomes another installment of the U project.

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Speaker 1: It's Fatty Harps. It's where I am anyway, it's the

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Speaker 1: nineteenth of December. We're sliding into Christmas like a piste

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Speaker 1: bloke at a bar, just stumbling our way towards the

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Speaker 1: fucking finish line of twenty twenty four. And you've spoken

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Speaker 1: of the lady that we're about to speak to before

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Speaker 1: you've heard her at all, or you've heard her, I

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Speaker 1: should say a couple of times, young Renee Ingles, Hi,

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Speaker 1: how are you hi?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Actually like that analogy metaphor that you just gave out

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Speaker 3: stumbling into a bar, I think I'm actually like crawling, like.

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Speaker 2: To the finish line of what Christmas looks like.

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Speaker 1: Just crawling on the sticky carpet that's had way too

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Speaker 1: much beer and spew on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, exactly that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a visual that no one needs at all.

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Speaker 1: You on your hands in these with your body torn jeans,

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Speaker 1: just sticking to the carpet. Now, I see he brought

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Speaker 1: a friend. I thought I just asked you, but you

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Speaker 1: brought a friend along? Who's your friend?

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Speaker 2: I did this?

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Speaker 3: This is a man that has many, many titles. I

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Speaker 3: could tell you that he has played in the NBA

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Speaker 3: for eleven years, I could tell you that he's an

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Speaker 3: Australian basketball legend, but I could also tell you what

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Speaker 3: his most important title is, and that is dad to

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Speaker 3: my three beautiful kids, hero in our household, and my husband,

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Speaker 3: Joe Ingles is here to join us. And let me

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Speaker 3: just say, I know you did ask me to come

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Speaker 3: on this podcast, but as many would know from the

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Speaker 3: last podcast, Joe and I are doing again long distance,

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Speaker 3: which more of our relationship has been.

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Speaker 2: Long distance than actually together.

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Speaker 3: So I thought, well, this is an hour that I

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Speaker 3: don't get to talk to Joe, So why doesn't Joe

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Speaker 3: just come in and have a chat in the conversation

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Speaker 3: and we spend this hour together.

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Speaker 1: So well, I'm glad that we could be the conduit

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Speaker 1: between you two. I mean all be allbit just us

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Speaker 1: three and another twenty thousand or so people.

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Speaker 4: OK, I mate, how are you wonderful? Thanks for having

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Speaker 4: me on. It's nice to see my wife today the

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Speaker 4: first time. It's crazy having been a part and this

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Speaker 4: is the first time we've done it for a little

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Speaker 4: while now, but obviously with three kids and both pretty

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Speaker 4: busy schedules, and yeah, we do what we can, but

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Speaker 4: get to see my wife and I got to see you,

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Speaker 4: so it's a win win.

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Speaker 1: Buck and hell, and look at what you're looking at?

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Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever seen anything like this? Have

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Speaker 1: you ever seen anything this good? At sixty one?

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Speaker 5: Mate? What you're looking at?

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Speaker 4: I feel like I'm living the bachelor lifet ole here,

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Speaker 4: so I don't shave anymore. I literally sit around in

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Speaker 4: So who got me Christmas tree up from? When the

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Speaker 4: kids hasn't moved, has it had the lights on once?

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Speaker 5: But life's good.

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Speaker 1: You just do what you need to. I mean, when

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Speaker 1: I saw you the turn, that idea of a vagrant

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Speaker 1: did spring to mind, but like a well paid vagrant. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: you know, ever like.

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Speaker 2: Fit into the stereotype of.

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Speaker 1: Hey Joe, what are the pros and cons? I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there's more cons than pros, But what are the pros

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Speaker 1: and cons of living apart a fair bit of the.

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Speaker 5: Time, Probably not too many pros.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, we did it a lot early on when we

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Speaker 4: first kind of got together, and then even even early

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Speaker 4: that point it's probably as much as it still sucks,

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Speaker 4: it's a bit easier because there's no kids involved. There's

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Speaker 4: no anything like that. So we would obviously miss hanging

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Speaker 4: out with each other, but it was just me and Renette.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't anyone else involved. Now with the kids, this

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Speaker 4: not pretty much, he does have them full time, and

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Speaker 4: we've made it work as good as possible of obviously

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Speaker 4: It's always the hardest. Like they were here for nine

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Speaker 5: And then I get back and it's.

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Speaker 4: Quiet, and I've got like a very humble four bedroom

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Speaker 4: not here, I use the bedroom and the sofa. I

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Speaker 4: I don't go in the laundry.

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Speaker 5: So I definitely miss the cooking and cleaning and all

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Speaker 1: My well, fucking hell, hey everyone, that was the NBA superstar.

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Speaker 1: He said that, not me. I don't endorse at all.

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Speaker 5: Ever me and Rene.

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Speaker 4: His joke. Renee is a very organized, clothed washer, Like

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Speaker 4: the washing machine's going a lot of the time, and

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Speaker 4: if I showed you the laundry, but Renee would vomit

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Speaker 4: and you would probably laugh. But it's so chocol block full.

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Speaker 4: Because I've been like two weeks, I'm like, I really

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Speaker 5: So it sucks not being with them.

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Speaker 4: But I think Renee and I both know it's it's

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Speaker 4: always it's the short term.

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Speaker 5: It's not going to be forever.

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Speaker 4: And myself as a as an athlete, still trying to

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Speaker 4: max out my last bit of my career, and then

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Speaker 4: after that they've got me full time, which you might

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Speaker 4: be kicking me out the door.

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Speaker 1: At that point you might be hoping you go back

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Speaker 1: and find another gig I on the OCD scale, if

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Speaker 1: you're at ten on the OCD scale, would you say

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Speaker 1: you're OCD or more just regular perfectionist?

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Speaker 2: Regular perfectionist?

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Speaker 3: And I would say the improvement in me in this

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Speaker 3: I have when I say it dropped my standards for me, Like, obviously,

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Speaker 3: I think I've been doing a lot of self work

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Speaker 3: I would say my standards are probably higher than your

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Speaker 1: And so like with a lot of people who are

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Speaker 1: With some things, I'm you and with other things I'm Joe.

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Speaker 1: I do not give I'm like him. I could wear

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't, but I could, right, I could turn the

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Speaker 1: for I don't know ever, I don't, but like there's

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Speaker 1: some things that when it comes to work things or

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Speaker 1: think with other things not so much. Is there an

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Speaker 3: I think it's always come down to me of that

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Speaker 2: So being this like.

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Speaker 3: So I would just say now, I'm just far better

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Speaker 3: So it was a combination of wanting to change and

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, Like a lot of You know, I've worked

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Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore. So who the fuck am

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Speaker 1: Did that happen for you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still happening.

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Speaker 3: Like, I think that's a constant conversation in this house

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Speaker 2: Without that? And honestly, my default is still, well, let's.

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Speaker 3: Just get super fit again, super jacked, and get back

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Speaker 2: So that's a constant thing.

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Speaker 3: And also for me, I think the identity shift came

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Speaker 3: to two of like not being like sport wasn't the

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Speaker 2: Where's Joe's next career piece?

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Speaker 3: Do we need to be with family and stuff in Australia.

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Speaker 3: There's just so many angles that we can argue of

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Speaker 1: Is you know what Joe's thinking. He's thinking, thanks harp,

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Speaker 1: That's what he's thinking. Absolutely, is He's like, thank fuck,

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Speaker 5: I've been I've been very lucky throughout my career.

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Speaker 4: of guys, a great coaching staff. Obviously, the only kind

442
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 4: of negative is being away from from Renee and the kids.

443
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, just trying to maximize this kind of last

444
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 4: little stin of my career out and before figuring out

445
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 4: what Renee is going through right now.

446
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's now. This is a weird question, especially

447
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 1: for an elite athlete on an interview. But so my

448
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: audience is not your general sporting audience. It's about sixty

449
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: five percent female and thirty five percent guys. For people

450
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: who have not much of a clue, could you just

451
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: tell them what a normal NBA season looks like in

452
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: terms of how long is the season, how often do

453
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: you play? Because I don't think people would grasp the

454
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: chaos of what it is to be you.

455
00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it.

456
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 4: I think probably a lot of professionals was the NBA

457
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 4: with our salaries being out there and everything.

458
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 5: That comes with it.

459
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 4: Everybody loves to talk about the salaries and the nice

460
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 4: car and we charter charter playing, charter flights. We have

461
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 4: our own flight, our own plane to fly to games

462
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 4: and stuff, which is all great, don't get me wrong,

463
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 4: But so we usually start we've got to be in

464
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,719
Speaker 4: the kind of city that we're playing for at about August,

465
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 4: end of August, start of September. Season starts about start

466
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 4: to middle of October, so we have about a month

467
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 4: of pre season, so through middle of October basically start

468
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 4: of April, we play eighty two games, so we and

469
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 4: we have one week off in February as a bit

470
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 4: of an all Star break. So we we average probably

471
00:23:54,520 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 4: four sometimes five games a week. And I think, what

472
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 4: what the like? What people don't understand? Which is the

473
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 4: difficult part. Again not complaining because I'm very, very lucky

474
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 4: in what we do. But we will play a game

475
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 4: wherever that might might be, and then we'll fly straight

476
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 4: after the game, get to either the next city or

477
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 4: home at two, three, four am, depending on where we're going.

478
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 4: Practice the next day at eleven, ten or eleven. I

479
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 4: might have a day off, depending whatever, but then play again.

480
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 4: So you're basically playing every second game every second day

481
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 4: for basically that whole time.

482
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 5: There's a few little windows.

483
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 4: Where you get two or three days, and it's not,

484
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 4: like I said, it's not hard. We stay in beautiful hotels,

485
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 4: we get our own plane, We obviously get a lot

486
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 4: of a lot of perks, but it's the obviously the

487
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 4: physical fatigue, but also the mental fatigue of like getting

488
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 4: in at three or four am, and obviously with Renee,

489
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 4: like I would get up as often as I could

490
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 4: to help help with the kids or get them to

491
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 4: school and go to practice then and then after practice

492
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 4: go help with We've got three kids at three different schools,

493
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 4: so help with picking the kids up and then entertaining

494
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: the kids and then heading off to a game and

495
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 4: then and obviously just kind of repeating that cycle. So

496
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 4: it is busy. Like I said, again, it's not like

497
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 4: I love it. It's what I've done since I was seventeen.

498
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 4: I don't know any different. I wouldn't know what to

499
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 4: do if I didn't have a Yeah, the other part

500
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: of it is like we literally live since I've been seventeen,

501
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 4: and we live off a text message the day before

502
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 4: of what the schedule is.

503
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a rough idea of like you.

504
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 4: Can look on the internet at the games, but like

505
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: the daily schedule we do. Every day we get a

506
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 4: text from from one of the group admin people and

507
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 4: it says this is practice, this is your individual times,

508
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 4: and that's what you do.

509
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 5: So it's in terms of forward planning for.

510
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 4: Someone like Renee is not an ideal what life to

511
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 4: be part of the NBA, But like I said, is

512
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 4: what I'm used to. It's it is what it is,

513
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 4: and with my personality in the way I am, I

514
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 4: find it kind of reasonably easy in terms of that

515
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 4: because I kind of just go with the flow anyway.

516
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: So it's busy, but like I said, I love I

517
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 4: wouldn't I wouldn't trade it for any job in the world.

518
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

519
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 5: Nay.

520
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: Do you think that you and Joe part of why

521
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: you get on great? I'm assuming you get on great.

522
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: That was very presumptuous you seem too, but this could

523
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: all be a fucking act. Who knows, that could be

524
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: the world's best charade. Do you think that part of

525
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 1: why you two get on well is because you're, like,

526
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: you're really fucking different, Like you two are so different,

527
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: like like chalk and cheese different. But you know that

528
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: is probably a good thing, right.

529
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: Oh, And we knew that since day one, the day

530
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: we met, we were completely different, and I think that

531
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: has always been one of the things that kept us

532
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 3: really strong.

533
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: I think it's like at times hard.

534
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 3: To navigate obviously, because we come at different situations or

535
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 3: problem solving in really different ways. But I've said since

536
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: the day that we met that I was always running

537
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: so fast and never never stopping. My brain wouldn't stop,

538
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: my activity wouldn't stop, always had to be busy and

539
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: full schedule. And Joe's sort of at the other end

540
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 3: of the spectrum of that, and it's been a really

541
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 3: nice balance for me to come down and calm down

542
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: a little bit and find a balance. And it like, Joe,

543
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I mean this in the best

544
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: way and love your pieces, but like raising his high

545
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 3: performance standards and like where that sort of stuff can

546
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: come up for him. We've been able to meet in

547
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: the middle and find a really nice balance.

548
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, we drive.

549
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 3: Each other nuts because of our differences, but it's also

550
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 3: one of our strengths, I think. And there's always something

551
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: surprising because we're so different, so we laugh a lot,

552
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 3: and I think that's what is the most important usually

553
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: at each other because.

554
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: Of our differences.

555
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's sort of something since day one that

556
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 3: we've embraced, I think. And then one of the biggest

557
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: things that we've had in common is obviously our love

558
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: for our athletic careers and always been able to find

559
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: synergy in that and what our careers meant individually to ourselves,

560
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 3: and understanding the sacrifices that we needed to make individually

561
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 3: to achieve all of that we were setting our sights

562
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: on achieving, but then wanting that for the other person

563
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 3: as well. And I truly think the lifestyle that we

564
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: have over here, it's really difficult to get used to,

565
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: and it's not a lifestyle that a lot of people

566
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: understand until they're actually in it. But I think that

567
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: is made easier for us as a couple because I

568
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: was an athlete before and do understand the sacrifice and

569
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: stuff that he needs to make in that space. Wouldn't

570
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: necessarily do all of the same things in the way

571
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: he does or doesn't prepare. But I've learned a lot

572
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: over my career in how I helped my game because

573
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: of what he was able to show me and teach

574
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: me in all of those things. And what I will say, Joe,

575
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: I'm not like throwing you under the bus, but I

576
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: am a little bit is that.

577
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: I feel like she is.

578
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: We're talking like he is the most laid back, relaxed

579
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: person don't get me wrong, but there are things that

580
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: he's also very particular.

581
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: On in terms of like.

582
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 3: Outfits and T shirts and shoes and where the trackie

583
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: pants like fit into the socks and like your pregame

584
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: routine and when your coffee is and like you're relaxed

585
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: and you're flexible, but you also like things the way

586
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: you like things too.

587
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: Hey, don't fuck with his rituals, all right, that's that's are.

588
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 5: Any of them?

589
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: Are any of those rituals superstitions? No?

590
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 4: Well, the only thing I've really used to do that

591
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: I thought was like a supersit. But then I don't

592
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 4: think like my biggest thing. Like Rene, We're so different

593
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: in how we approached it, I think, and for me

594
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 4: it was like it was all it was all I

595
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: knew of how to approach it, like and then I

596
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: meet Renee and it's like, oh shit, there's probably a

597
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: few things I can do a.

598
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 5: Little bit better. And I think vice versa.

599
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 4: She was like, Oh, I probably don't need to do

600
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 4: a B and C every single minute of every day

601
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: to be okay for the game on one game a

602
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 4: week on a Saturday. Yeah, Like I've got a few

603
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: Like when when I mean this is different this year

604
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: because I'm here by myself. But like I would get

605
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: to the arena early. That was probably my main one

606
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: of the main like the chaos of the day in

607
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: the morning and whatever. I would get to the arena

608
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: a bit early, and that's when and I would like

609
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 4: shower and get organized, and that was kind of like

610
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 4: the reset of like, all right, now, I know Renee

611
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 4: and the kids are good, They've.

612
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 5: Had dinner or whatever. Now I've showered, and now I

613
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 5: can kind of get ready and focus for the game.

614
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm very boring with like what Renee said

615
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: with like I've got this one. I've been sponsored by

616
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 4: Nike my whole career, so I've always just had Nike

617
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 4: clothes for free. I've got this one other brand that

618
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 4: I wear clothing wise, and I don't venture out of that,

619
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 4: and I wear like I could have the same, but

620
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 4: I've got three hundred.

621
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: We're kindred spirits, you know. I went to Southland the

622
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: other day, which is a shopping center. Here, knit Rene

623
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: is going to roll her fucking eyes because she's a

624
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: goddamn goddess.

625
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 5: Right.

626
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: I went to Southland. I only wear black T shirts.

627
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: We spent all our time at Southland. We have a

628
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: house in.

629
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: Bomoris, steady On and I got there and I bought

630
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: eight black T shirts. It took me twelve minutes in

631
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: and out on the motorbike home. Total trip twenty six minutes.

632
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: Fucking eight shirts. You're welcome now, I just rotate those.

633
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: I don't give people go you wear the same thing

634
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm like, yes, I do, and it

635
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me. That's the last thing I need

636
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: to spend energy on is what you fucking think of

637
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: my T shirt.

638
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: And the funny thing for us in what we do

639
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: is like the last maybe five six years has turned

640
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 4: into this like fashion parade walking into the NBA arena

641
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 4: people folk.

642
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 5: There's actually awards.

643
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 4: That this like that I don't evenmember what it's called now,

644
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 4: but like people get awards for who is like best

645
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 4: dressed throughout the year, And I'm like, I could wear

646
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 4: the same Nike like Wolves sweatsuit every single day because

647
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: for me, it's like like tomorrow night, we got a game.

648
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: It's on TNT, so we're on National TV tomorrow, big

649
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: game against the Knicks, who we had a big trade

650
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 4: right before the season started with the Knicks, so like

651
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: our players coming back, the two guys we got are

652
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: playing them for.

653
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 5: The first time.

654
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: It's this big hype, like our guys are going to

655
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 4: come some of the outfits tomorrow. Make sure you follow

656
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: whoever posts them or whatever, because it'll be great. But

657
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 4: my thing is like I'm going to leave here at

658
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: whatever six o'clock tomorrow night to go to the stadium,

659
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: go do my thing, blah blah blah, do it, and

660
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 4: then I'm going to come right back to this seat

661
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 4: here at about midnight, Like I don't understand. And then

662
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 4: when we're on the road, you're getting on a plane anyway,

663
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 4: you're sitting on a bus in the arena, taking all

664
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 4: these fancy closer and putting them back on to sit

665
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: on the plane for two hours to then go to

666
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 4: the hotel and check back in. So for me, I've

667
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 4: always been I'm like you, I don't care about what

668
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: I wear, what i'd like. My teammates laugh at me

669
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: all the time because I wear and being a minute,

670
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: So I just wear the same like hoodie and be

671
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: I wear. I've worn this every day for about three

672
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: weeks and I couldn't care less.

673
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 5: But I'm warm, mate.

674
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: It's all about function and comfort.

675
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 5: That that's what Renee and I will go out for dinner.

676
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 5: She will put on she always like she likes her

677
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 5: fashion a little bit. And you look show throw the

678
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: world on the camera your wardrobe.

679
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: Can I just tell you everybody, we got to look.

680
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: We got to look from missus Ingles then like that

681
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: are you fucking with me?

682
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 5: Look so good? I will wear if we go to dinner?

683
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 5: What do I wear to dinner? If we go to dinner, all.

684
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: The same thing they were to a basketball game.

685
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 5: You never changed, Like black jeans.

686
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: If I have to get really fancy and a black

687
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 4: T shirt, or if I'm going like to lunch or whatever,

688
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: if it's black tracks and a black or maybe white

689
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 4: T shirt.

690
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 5: If I'm getting a little crazy.

691
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: Crazy for me is jeans. Like let's just remember our

692
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: first date and why you fell in love with me.

693
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw the money from the netballs. I got

694
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 5: to get this.

695
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: That was right.

696
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: He just went with thebes under the under the driver's

697
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, I get to drive

698
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 4: the Vixen's car.

699
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: Remember car c like bright.

700
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember I remember it all. I can imagine

701
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: him seeing you across the netty court and just going

702
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: katching look at that.

703
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: Must be milking it in Actually no, you know what

704
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: every night and baked fish because she can't.

705
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: The first thing I what I mean, obviously knew she

706
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 4: was a very attractive woman or younger woman back then,

707
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 4: but when she rocked up, because she'd already she canned

708
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 4: me about five times on like the first date, coffee,

709
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: whatever we're going to do. And so the last time

710
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: we did it, I'd gone out the night before and

711
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: like wasn't expect because she I'd always wake up the

712
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 4: next morning to a text of like, oh, sorry I

713
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 4: can't come.

714
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 5: I've got blah.

715
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah to day or I'm like whatever, fucking

716
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: I guess I'll never see this girl. And then she

717
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 4: rocked up the first time and she had like a

718
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 4: sweatsuit on trackie's and a hoodie, and I was like, fuck,

719
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 4: I'm in here, this is a fellow.

720
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, those first those first five cancelations, were they bullshit

721
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: or legit?

722
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

723
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: What's the go with that? Tell us?

724
00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: Let's just.

725
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: At that time of you know what, I was like

726
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: back then, Crago We'd go out every weekend Netbull. We'd

727
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: play on a Friday night for the Melbourne Phoenix and

728
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: Vixen's or like you're playing on Sunday, so you kind

729
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 3: of had a night every time to go out and basketball.

730
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: When much the same Joe was playing in Australia.

731
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: I'd see him in the clubs, you know, And in

732
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: my mind I was like, dating in elite athletes not

733
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 3: for me. I'm like, I'm a relationship list. I'm always

734
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: in relationships. The elite athlete life is just not for me.

735
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: I don't trust a lot of people. And then ditched

736
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: him five times and then met him and said, oh God,

737
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: this guy, I actually like him.

738
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 5: I agree Rene. His mother, Margaret had a bit of

739
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 5: a hand in that.

740
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 4: She as much as we've gone blows over the years

741
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: about little things, she was.

742
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 5: The one that made Renee go on the first date.

743
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: So shout out to little old Margie out in Phillip Island.

744
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: Renee reminds me of Renee back in the day. You

745
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: probably know this, but shouted t shirt that said give

746
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: us a hug and a baseball cap that said but

747
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: fuck off. Though it's like a little bit of her

748
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: was a little bit bring it in.

749
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, a Red Food Brouf shirt this year.

750
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: Love, Oh, that's that's hilarious. I know, how do you

751
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: think you're going to go at basketball?

752
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to like get MVP.

753
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have you played, Like, I'm sure you've

754
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: played a bit, but have you ever played in a

755
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: team for a season or something.

756
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 3: I played until I was sixteen and was definitely not

757
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: good compared to netball, Like I was a netballer, not

758
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: a basketballer. And then actually after I had the twins

759
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 3: in Salt Lake City, I played in a league in

760
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City out of this random little church with

761
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: this random group who a couple of them have Actually

762
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: we've stayed really close as friends. So I was a

763
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: bit wobbly on my feet then, but I actually knew

764
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: in my mind that I was going to be coming

765
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: back to netball, so I thought playing basketball might help

766
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: me get my feet.

767
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: Going a little bit back on the court. And yeah, I'm.

768
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: Really really excited to hit the basketball court again. I've

769
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: got no basketball skill, but I'm athletics, so I think

770
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 3: I can rebound the ball and I think I'm going

771
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: to steal it and pass to someone else to dribble

772
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: and shoot.

773
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: That's kind of how.

774
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 6: Oby she's going to be the best. Have the best

775
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 6: shoes in the game one percent undred percent.

776
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: Hey, so I'm going to ask you both. I'm going

777
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: to ask you both a question and you're not allowed

778
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: to answer it straight away because I want to ask

779
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: you both the same question and I don't want you

780
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: to confer. So from zero percent to one hundred percent?

781
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: What are the chances that in five years you'll be

782
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: living in Australia. I both want you to get so

783
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: zero percent you know you won't be living in Australia

784
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: at all. One hundred percent? Absolutely, what's the percentage? I

785
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: want you each to think of it and then don't

786
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: fucking change mind when the other one says the answer. Rene,

787
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: We're going to start with you in five years time.

788
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: What's the percentage chance you're going to be going.

789
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 5: To write mine down? So you guys know that I'm

790
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 5: not lying.

791
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you write it down? You write it down? Renee,

792
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: do you have pen and paper on?

793
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: No?

794
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: I can. Do you want me to say.

795
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 5: I've written down?

796
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 1: Write it down? Okay? And when let's do this, which

797
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: is terrible for an audio podcast, but I'll tell everybody

798
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: the results. We might put a snap on socials, okay

799
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: on three on three?

800
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 5: Ready?

801
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: One both both of you.

802
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 5: Now mine's on my phones. I might not be as cool,

803
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 5: but okay, reree to one.

804
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: Oh hang on, so eighty percent and does that say

805
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: thirty seven percent?

806
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 5: Thirty seven? Wow?

807
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: So missus Ingles thinks there's an eighty percent chance that

808
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: the family will be in Australia in five years. Mister Ingles, Fuck,

809
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: this is this is going to be a scoop. This

810
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: will be in the Herald Sun in Melbourne tomorrow.

811
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 5: Do you yeah?

812
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: This could be everyone? This could like if the marriage

813
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: is on the rocks in six weeks, you know where

814
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: it started.

815
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: Five years, we're going to know who wears the pants.

816
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: That's what we're going to know.

817
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: Nate, where does your Okay, let's let's unpack this not

818
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: for too long, because I really don't want to start

819
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: some kind of domestic fucking implosion.

820
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: It's actually funny because we've been talking about this a

821
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 4: lot the last like a few months.

822
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: So right, right, I've got my I've got my reasons

823
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: for that number.

824
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 5: Right, I'm sure.

825
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: Let's let's hear your case. Let's hear your case, Joe

826
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: lads first, all right, Nate, what do you think there's

827
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: an eight out of ten chance you'll be back here.

828
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: The fact that we're talking about the option of it

829
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: so much right now makes me believe, given that that

830
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: conversation is happening, that there's something under their bubbling. And

831
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: I think in five years we're going to have a

832
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: lot more perspective or understanding or awareness of what Joe's post.

833
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: Career looks like.

834
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 3: And I think we could really happily be here for

835
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 3: another one, two, three, four, five years. But I just

836
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: think the fact that this the conversations are bubbling that

837
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: in five years, the age of all of our kids

838
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 3: and the resiliency that they'll have then compared to even

839
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: now as young and after a few couple of moves,

840
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: I just think, yeah, in five years, every like so

841
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: much can change in five years. I think about how

842
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: much older my parents. My parents will be seventy in

843
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: five years, So what does their help look.

844
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: Our family?

845
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: Oh she got you there, big fella, she got you there.

846
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: That's like an ace. He's played the emotional joker card boom.

847
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

848
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 4: So I if you had said, like the question was

849
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 4: phrase like, would we end up in Australia, I think

850
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 4: we'll we will end up probably living in Australia at

851
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 4: some point for the rest of our lives, like five years,

852
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 4: ten years, like whatever they did will I would be

853
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 4: very confident to say we would live like things would

854
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 4: have to be dramatically amazing over here for us to

855
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 4: stay here like forever. So I do think we will

856
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: live in Australia at some point, at whatever age that is,

857
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: for the rest of our lives. But I don't think

858
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 4: it will be in fire like Renee said, Like we've

859
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: we've talked about it a lot.

860
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 5: We go back and forth. We one day we're like America,

861
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 5: one day we're Australia.

862
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm at like, I technically agree with Rene's

863
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 4: eighty percent, but I think I just think it'll be

864
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 4: It'll be some point down like somewhere down the.

865
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 5: Track actually.

866
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 3: As well, because part of the conversations Craigo that Joe

867
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: and I have a lot is.

868
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: That move is made, it's.

869
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: Final, like we're not going to be moving country to

870
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 3: country backwards and forwards if it's the right decision. So

871
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 3: it would have to be very known that that is

872
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 3: the right decision.

873
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: So I need to need a marriage guidance counselor I

874
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: just want to say you're welcome.

875
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 5: I'm here.

876
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: Rates are very reasonable. I don't want to say that

877
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm fucking making your marriage better, but I mean data,

878
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, So, yeah, we're just.

879
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: Going to run our marriage now.

880
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: Whenever we're talking, we're just going to have to go, okay,

881
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: write your percentage down and then Yeah.

882
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 5: It's actually a pretty smart idea.

883
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: Come to understanding where we're both at in terms of

884
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 3: these decisions.

885
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 4: That knew number you're going to You're going to think

886
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 4: I was crazy, but yeah, I genuinely do think we will.

887
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I know we will live in Australia at

888
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 4: some point, but it is I think too, like, well,

889
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 4: I think people feel like we're we're clearly Australian. We

890
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 4: love Australia. We will live in Australia, but we've also

891
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 4: like we've also been here for this is like at

892
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 4: the end of this year, we've been here twelve years.

893
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, we haven't been three years. Like this is at

894
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 5: the moment, this is home.

895
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 4: Home is like our home home right now is in

896
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: Orlando's where Renee is sitting right now, and our kids

897
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 4: are happy. Jacob's thriving in his school there. We're not

898
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 4: just going to pack all that up in the next

899
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 4: few months to move back to Australia because we want

900
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: to live in Australia, but there there has to be

901
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 4: some great reasons. There has to be schools for Jacobs,

902
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 4: schools for the other two kids post career, what I

903
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 4: want to do obviously what Renee wants to do with

904
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: her working career wants once we figure all that out.

905
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, I definitely think we'll be back. There would

906
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 4: just be a matter of when it is.

907
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: What is the biggest adaptation Renee that you had to

908
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: make living in the States, Like, what was the thing

909
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: that you had to not necessarily that was bad, but

910
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: like for you you really needed to adapt and adjust

911
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: to something.

912
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: What's the biggest adaptation? I good question. I don't know.

913
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: Is it just just being away from family or something,

914
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: or I.

915
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 3: Think so because I'm really really close to my family.

916
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: I speak to my family every day while we're over here.

917
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: So there's obviously logistics and stuff that comes into that

918
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: with time differences. But I'd say one of the other

919
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: adaptations is, like I think it would have been a

920
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: really natural career move for me once I finished playing

921
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 3: netball to move into another role in netball and that

922
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 3: hasn't been able to happen. But I also think that's

923
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: been a strength, Like the amount that I am learning

924
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: and growing over here in another country, in another environment,

925
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 3: with different people, different cultures, the different cities we've lived

926
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: over here. I just think the information that Joe and

927
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: I from the experience that we're having over here, I

928
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: believe far outweighs me. When we do decide to move

929
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: back to Australia, we bring all of that back with us.

930
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: So wel, it's a yeah, you can argue it so

931
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 3: many ways. It's like what we spoke about last time

932
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 3: was on your podcast. To everything, there's a costom there's

933
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: a reward, but we're really like we love life in Orlando.

934
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: We'll definitely say that we just don't have a community here,

935
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: Like it's pretty lonely.

936
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: So that Joe, do you get I don't know what

937
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: the word is, but I don't know I'm going to

938
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: go with this. I don't even know if this is

939
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 1: a term, but recognition fatigue where people go hey, hey, hey,

940
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: do you just wish you could just go somewhere and

941
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: nobody goes, hey are you? Aren't you kind of a selfie?

942
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: Like does that wear you out or is that what is?

943
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: Or does it just depend on how you're feeling on

944
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: a day.

945
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 5: Probably a little bit depending on how I'm feeling the.

946
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 4: If if I'm ever with Renee or the kids, I

947
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 4: can be an absolute complete, very rude, which Renee would

948
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 4: Renee would like try and like run over there and

949
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 4: apologize for me if I'd said something to someone and

950
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 4: they The biggest like trigger for me with those things

951
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: is everybody knows what we're doing, how much we're paid,

952
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 4: where we like, where we live, where, like everything is

953
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 4: so public and the one time or whatever it is,

954
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 4: once or twice a week when I'm with my kids

955
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 4: at a restaurant or at a park, like just let

956
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 4: me be with my kids at And in saying that,

957
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 4: I get what being a professional athlete being in the NBA,

958
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 4: I get what brick like what comes with that.

959
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I hate it whatever it is, but

960
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 5: it does get Yeah, it's probably a good word. Like

961
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 5: the fatigue is is.

962
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 4: A real thing with that, And I've definitely like, I mean,

963
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: there's probably a million people I would have to apologize

964
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: to that I have been rude to, but I would

965
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 4: hope that they stand to some level of like I

966
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: don't get to see my kids that often. I don't

967
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 4: get to spend this time having a waffle with my

968
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 4: daughter at a like all these little things that people

969
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 4: get to do everything every Saturday or everyone.

970
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 5: I don't get to do these things.

971
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 4: I missed Miller's little class show today, Like I don't

972
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 4: get to go to these things.

973
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 5: So I would like some people would probably argue that I.

974
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: Would be lying, but I would be more than happy

975
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 4: when I stopped playing to never be recognized again and

976
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 4: just be with Renee and the kids and live on

977
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 4: a nice big block of land with no neighbors.

978
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 5: And yeah, I believe it.

979
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: I believe you do hate I wanted to, well, I

980
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: want to talk to you both about and we'll start

981
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: to wind up because I know you don't have all day,

982
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: but thank you for chatting to me.

983
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 5: I love it.

984
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: I was talking this morning about I was talking with

985
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: somebody about, you know, some of the athletes that I've

986
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: worked with over the years who were like, hugely talented

987
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: but really just didn't do it because whatever they couldn't

988
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: manage their fear or anxiety or emotions, or they had

989
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: a shit work ethic, or they were lazy or they

990
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: got fucking offended every four minutes or you know, and

991
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: then other people that. And one of the examples I

992
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: gave was Jackie Cooper, the aerial ski jumper. So she

993
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: went to five Olympics. I trained her for nearly twenty years,

994
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: you know, five time world champion, five time Olympian. Like,

995
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: and she would tell you not that gifted. And I

996
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: would like, as an athlete, you throw a ball, it

997
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: hits her in the face, right, like not but a

998
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: good like the toughest person, maybe the toughest athlete I've

999
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: ever trained in terms of resilience. And talk to me

1000
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 1: a little bit about like I think, I think about

1001
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: optimizing potential, And I think about you, like you were

1002
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: talented anyway, but then on top of that, you added

1003
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: this work ethic and this borderline obsessive kind of attitude

1004
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: and you know, ticking every box and all this stuff.

1005
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: Then I think about Joe and I think, maybe he's

1006
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: lasted so long because he's kind of fucking laid back.

1007
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: Maybe a completely different approach, do you know what I mean.

1008
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: I don't think there's one way to optimize potential. What

1009
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: are your thoughts?

1010
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's one winning recipe in that

1011
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: I think in terms of when it came to me

1012
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: and my underlying work ethic, it was always came from

1013
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: a place of regardless of what.

1014
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: Game I'd won, or championship I'd won, or if I

1015
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: felt like I was lucky enough and.

1016
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: Got an individual award, whatever those things were, there was

1017
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: an underlying feeling in me that I was never good enough,

1018
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: and I think that drove the work ethic. It was

1019
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: almost like, well, I'll prove my way or all hard

1020
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 3: I work way into that, and that was almost like

1021
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 3: my inner dialogue. I think when it comes to Joe

1022
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: and Joe, please jump in and correct me if I'm

1023
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 3: wrong at any stage. What I've always admired about Joe

1024
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: is He's had this inner burn to like prove people wrong,

1025
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: or this underlying belief in himself as a basketballer on

1026
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: the court and his ability and what he brings to

1027
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: a team, which he like along the way, has taught me,

1028
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: or like even like the reflecting on a failure or

1029
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 3: whatever it is, Joe's always been really good at like

1030
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 3: just flicking the switch and moving on, And like the

1031
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 3: NBA is part of that, Like they play so often,

1032
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 3: they can't wallow. Whereas netball and our performances and me

1033
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: not missing out on teams or whatever that stuff was,

1034
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 3: Netball and basketball have quite a different culture, I think

1035
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 3: when it comes to those things. But yeah, I feel

1036
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: like I always lacked the inner self belief that like

1037
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: I felt like if I wasn't trying to get one

1038
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 3: percent better, then that one percent would be the reason

1039
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 3: I didn't make a team or that we did lose,

1040
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: or that I failed.

1041
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: And I never wanted that to be on me.

1042
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: I wanted to write, couldn't have worked any harder, Like,

1043
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: there's no excuse from that aspect, Whereas Joe has had

1044
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: this god given talent and people along the way that

1045
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 3: have sort of said, no, you're not going to make it,

1046
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 3: or your teacher Joe when you're in primary school saying no,

1047
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 3: like you need to pick a different career, and him

1048
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 3: going whatever, this is always had that in a self belief.

1049
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: Oh missus, O'Reilly, you fucked up. He got it wrong.

1050
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: He fucked up a lot.

1051
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 5: I think I definitely don't think.

1052
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 4: There's one, Like I mean, there's two recipes right here

1053
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 4: that are completely different and have both had hell of

1054
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 4: a sporting career. I think for me, it was always yeah,

1055
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 4: that that inner like because I was never I was

1056
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 4: never the best on any of the teams I was.

1057
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 5: I was never I was.

1058
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 4: I think one of the things I have been really

1059
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 4: good at is like the consistency of what I've done,

1060
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 4: Like I've.

1061
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 5: I've always worked hard, I've always showed up.

1062
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 4: I don't I don't miss practice, I don't miss days,

1063
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: I don't miss games. I don't like I've always just played,

1064
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 4: practiced and done everything at a at a at a

1065
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 4: pretty consistent level. And like I said, whether that's right,

1066
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 4: Like there's probably some things I could have done differently

1067
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 4: that maybe I would have been a little bit better

1068
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 4: or a little bit quicker or whatever it is.

1069
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 5: And I think along the.

1070
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 4: Way you find those things out, Like I mean, one

1071
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 4: of the people that I'm still I just spoke to

1072
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 4: him tonight, a guy called Mike Elliott, who's one of

1073
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 4: my performance directors in Utah, kind of changed my.

1074
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 5: Whole thought process of my career.

1075
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 4: Like I played five years straight or something under him,

1076
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 4: didn't miss a game. I played like five hundred games

1077
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 4: straight without missing a game in the NBA and playing

1078
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 4: in the summers with the Olympics and stuff like that,

1079
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 4: and just just different different people along the way that

1080
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 4: can teach you, Like I'm never going to have the

1081
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 4: same athleticism or body tie or whatever is Anthony Edwards

1082
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 4: one of my teammates, or as Dante DiVincenzo or whoever

1083
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 4: the's got like the Americans or whoever it is. But

1084
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 4: I know what I'm really good at. I know what

1085
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 4: I what I can do to help help our team

1086
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: or my team, and I've just tried to always.

1087
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 5: Stay really consistent with that. Where yeah, just I don't know, I.

1088
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: Think that then that is the recipe.

1089
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: Then it's actually it's not playing the comparison game and going, well,

1090
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: he or she is doing this, so I need to

1091
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: try and do this as well, because they achieved it

1092
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 3: by doing it this way. I need to find what

1093
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 3: my winning recipe is for me and embrace that and

1094
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: like full step with.

1095
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: Which way both of us are done.

1096
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 4: I can one hundred percent like and I'm still very

1097
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 4: confident in what I do. But there is a lot

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00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 4: of players that are better than me, that haven't had

1099
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 4: as long an NBA career as me, purely because I've

1100
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 4: accepted a role like I knew who I was, and

1101
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 4: I accepted that role, and yeah, of course, I'm always

1102
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 4: trying to get better and play more minutes and like

1103
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 4: make more money and do all those things that we

1104
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 4: do as athletes.

1105
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 5: But I knew, I knew who I was as a

1106
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 5: as a.

1107
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 4: Player and as a teammate, and like I still now,

1108
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 4: I'm like the joking asshole of every team I've been on,

1109
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 4: Like I can be a prick, but I'm a good teammate,

1110
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 4: Like all my teammates would say they enjoy being around me.

1111
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 4: But I'm also going to call it straight when I

1112
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 4: need to, Like it's just who I am. So I think, yeah,

1113
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 4: I think there's different for everyone, But I think, yeah,

1114
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 4: like accepting the role that I was kind of given

1115
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: and then trying to be really good at that role

1116
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 4: is why I've lasted as long as I have compared

1117
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 4: to Like I know, for a fact, I could probably

1118
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 4: name people that I know are better and more talented

1119
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: and quicker and faster than me. But I didn't want

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00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 4: to accept certain roles for whatever reason. Maybe it was

1121
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 4: valid and whatever, but I knew what was going to

1122
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 4: keep me in this league, and I've done everything to

1123
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 4: do that.

1124
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 5: And I think I've proved that I that I can

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00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 5: do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you go all right, I mean, you know, Craig Harper,

1127
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 1: but look you go, all right, well done.

1128
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 5: Well.

1129
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: When you're the leading three point score at Utah.

1130
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 5: There's only one of us. I'm at the top.

1131
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the humble hour with Joe Ingles. Let

1132
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: me tell you how humble I am.

1133
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 4: So fuck it was honestly one of my like I've

1134
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 4: been like the bronze medal with the Australian team is

1135
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 4: always going to top everything that I've been able to

1136
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 4: do with my sporting career because it was the first

1137
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 4: one ever. But to come to the NBA at twenty

1138
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 4: seven and really not be looked at, to come over

1139
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 4: here much before that at all. And then like Rene

1140
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 4: said before, we loved our time in Utah and all that,

1141
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 4: and we got embraced and had a hell of a

1142
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 4: community there of pretty cool people. But to then say

1143
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 4: you broke a record of a franchise that had John Stockton,

1144
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 4: Calm Alone or like all these guys playing, and you know,

1145
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 4: Grant a very different league now to then like whatever,

1146
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 4: But to still say I was number one. So when

1147
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell got traded from Utah. He was about to

1148
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 4: catch me, so they traded him at the perfect time.

1149
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 4: So he's still number two. I think, so, yeah, you've

1150
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 4: got him.

1151
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: You're listening, suffering your jocks, mate. It is interesting though,

1152
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: in a it's like different things work for different people,

1153
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: right in that you know, you can have like what

1154
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: will be the ideal training program for you would be

1155
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: a terrible training program for someone else. You know. It's

1156
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: like what is like when people I get a lot

1157
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: of older dudes ask me how I train and how

1158
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: I eat and and all that, like my model, my

1159
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: operating system. I'm like, yeah, don't do what I do though,

1160
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: because you're not me, Like, you'll fucking die if you

1161
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: do what I do because I ate two meals a

1162
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: day and I'm the most most boring motherfucker in Australia.

1163
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: So don't do what I do because you won't last.

1164
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: And it's not because I'm tough, It's just that's what

1165
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: works for my mind, my brain, my body. And I

1166
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: think there is this kind of when we talk about

1167
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: high performance or positive change or growth or I don't

1168
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of people think with you know, when

1169
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: it comes to training or recovery or nutrition, or getting

1170
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: strong or developing skill, or there's a best way, but

1171
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: the truth is there isn't. There's like your best way,

1172
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 1: Joe's best way, my best way, and there's a bunch

1173
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: of variables around that. And it's trying to actually figure

1174
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: out not only how your body works, but how your

1175
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: brain and your mind and your emotional system works so

1176
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: that you can get the best out of you. You know,

1177
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: And as I can't say who, but I worked at

1178
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: some Kilda footy club for a while and I remember

1179
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: a coach talked to a player that I knew the

1180
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: player extremely well, in fact, he worked for me, And

1181
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: I saw this guy try this communication style with this

1182
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: guy which was completely fucking wrong for this guy's personality

1183
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: and the moment he basically attacked him in an effort

1184
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: to try to get him to perform, but it was

1185
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: the guy just shut down. I'm like, you're a fucking idiot.

1186
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: That guy is now going to hate you and never

1187
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: going to do anything for you. And that's what happened,

1188
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: Like he just destroyed because he didn't understand how to

1189
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: communicate and connect and inspire this person. And he would

1190
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: use the same model for every personality and so it's

1191
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: very hit and missed, Like you can't you can't talk

1192
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: to ten different people the same way and expect the

1193
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: same outcome. That just shows your lack of social and

1194
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: emotional intelligence.

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00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: I do think though Crago, like back in that time

1196
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 3: and when you were with Saint Kilda, you were ahead

1197
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 3: of the game in terms of that stuff.

1198
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: Like I think sport now.

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00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 3: Has evolved and there is a more of an understanding

1200
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: of the individuals human beings in sport.

1201
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 2: So I think that that thought pattern.

1202
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: That you had an understanding, especially in like the old

1203
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 3: school AFL environment, like you're being able to understand that.

1204
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: And have the emotional intelligence of that.

1205
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: But I would agree that there's no winning recipe that

1206
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 3: is broad enough that everyone can fit under that blanket.

1207
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: It's about finding for yourself what works for you your minds,

1208
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 3: your body, your soul, your recovery, you sleep, all of

1209
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: those things. And then the winning recipe on top of

1210
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 3: that is when you see an opportunity, fucking take it

1211
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 3: like yeah, don't there and what you've got to take

1212
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 3: it whatever, And that I think has been true for

1213
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 3: Joe and I cross both of our careers in so

1214
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 3: many different ways and formats. But you've got to take

1215
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 3: the opportunities because if you don't, someone else will.

1216
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: I could talk to you guys all day, but you

1217
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: probably got more important things to do to talk to

1218
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: a fucking and nobody in Australia on his dinky little podcast.

1219
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: Hey Joe, well say goodbye, fair but mate, thank you

1220
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: so much for taking the time out. I hope that

1221
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: old man injury of yours recovers quite quickly. You know

1222
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: it's an old man injury, right, I've.

1223
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 5: Been I've been told that several times, but I think

1224
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 5: I've put myself on like a media band.

1225
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 4: So this is the first time anyone's going to hear

1226
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 4: from me in about for the last three years.

1227
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: So oh wow, I think wow. I don't want to

1228
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: say I fucking groundbreaking, but I'm groundbreaking. Nay, thank you

1229
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: so much. What time is it over there? It's one

1230
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: thirty five here in the thriving metropolis PM.

1231
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 3: It's nine thirty five PM for me and eight thirty

1232
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 3: for Joe.

1233
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: All right, well say goodbye for the moment, but Joe

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01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: and Renee, thank you so much for then on you project.

1235
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: Make good luck for the rest of the season. And

1236
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: I hope that body looks after you and appreciate you both.

1237
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 5: Thanks for having usks, having