1
00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,120
Speaker 1: I get at welcomes another installment of the U project.

2
00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,600
Speaker 1: It's Fatty Harps. It's where I am. Anyway, it's the

3
00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,920
Speaker 1: nineteenth of December. We're sliding into Christmas like a piste

4
00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,119
Speaker 1: bloke at a bar, just stumbling our way towards the

5
00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,520
Speaker 1: fucking finish line of twenty twenty four. And you've spoken

6
00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,600
Speaker 1: to the lady that we're about to speak to before

7
00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,560
Speaker 1: you've heard her, or or you've heard her, I should

8
00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,680
Speaker 1: say a couple of times, young Renee Ingles, Hi, how

9
00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,280
Speaker 1: are you hi?

10
00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:29,160
Speaker 2: Well?

11
00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,360
Speaker 3: Actually, like that analogy metaphor that you just gave about

12
00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,800
Speaker 3: stumbling into a bar, I think I'm actually like crawling,

13
00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,239
Speaker 3: like to the finish line of what Christmas looks.

14
00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,800
Speaker 1: Like, just crawling on the sticky carpet that's had way

15
00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,360
Speaker 1: too much beer and spew on it.

16
00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right, exactly that.

17
00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a visual that no one needs at all.

18
00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,240
Speaker 1: You on your hands in these with your body torn jeans,

19
00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,400
Speaker 1: just sticking to the carpet. Now, I see you brought

20
00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,160
Speaker 1: a friend. I thought I just asked you, But you

21
00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,800
Speaker 1: brought a friend along? Who's your friend?

22
00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:06,680
Speaker 2: I did this?

23
00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,560
Speaker 3: This is a man that has many, many titles. I

24
00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,800
Speaker 3: could tell you that he has played in the NBA

25
00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,960
Speaker 3: for eleven years, I could tell you that he's an

26
00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,760
Speaker 3: Australian basketball legend, but I could also tell you what

27
00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,200
Speaker 3: his most important title is, and that is dad to

28
00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,240
Speaker 3: my three beautiful kids, hero in our household, and my

29
00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,840
Speaker 3: husband Joe Ingles is here to join us. And let

30
00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,039
Speaker 3: me just say, I know you did ask me to

31
00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,479
Speaker 3: come on this podcast, but as many would know from

32
00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,160
Speaker 3: the last podcast, Joe and I are doing again long distance,

33
00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,880
Speaker 3: which more of our relationship has been long distance than

34
00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,880
Speaker 3: actually together. So I thought, well, this is an hour

35
00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,680
Speaker 3: that I don't get to talk to Joe, so why

36
00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,800
Speaker 3: doesn't Joe just come in and have a chat in

37
00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,040
Speaker 3: the conversation we spend this hour together.

38
00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,800
Speaker 1: So well, I'm glad that we could be the conduit

39
00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,120
Speaker 1: between you two, I mean all, albeit just us three

40
00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,600
Speaker 1: and another twenty thousand or so people.

41
00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,080
Speaker 5: O can I mate? How are you wonderful? Thanks for

42
00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,720
Speaker 5: having me on. It's nice to see my wife today

43
00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,480
Speaker 5: the first time. It's crazy having been.

44
00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,640
Speaker 2: A part and this is the.

45
00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,160
Speaker 6: First time we've done it for a little while now,

46
00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,839
Speaker 6: but obviously with three kids and both pretty busy schedules,

47
00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,760
Speaker 6: and yeah, we do what we can. But yeah, get

48
00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,600
Speaker 6: to see my wife and I get to see you,

49
00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:31,760
Speaker 6: so it's a win win.

50
00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,400
Speaker 1: Fuck and hell, and look at what you're looking at?

51
00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever seen anything like this? Have

52
00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,320
Speaker 1: you ever seen anything this good? At sixty one?

53
00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,320
Speaker 2: Mate? What you're looking at?

54
00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,880
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm living the bachelor life. Oh yeah,

55
00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,240
Speaker 6: so I don't shave anymore. I literally sit around in

56
00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,200
Speaker 6: a cold house because I don'tven bother turning the heating

57
00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,959
Speaker 6: on anymore, because Renee and the kids aren't here. So

58
00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,040
Speaker 6: who got me Christmas tree up from? When the kids

59
00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,360
Speaker 6: hasn't moved, hasn't had the lights on once. But life's good.

60
00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,000
Speaker 2: You just do what you need to.

61
00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,480
Speaker 1: I mean, when I saw you the turn, that idea

62
00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,760
Speaker 1: of a vagrant did spring to mind, but like a

63
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,000
Speaker 1: well paid vagrant nonetheless, you know, like.

64
00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,600
Speaker 4: Fit into the stereotype.

65
00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,880
Speaker 1: Of Hey Joe, what are the pros and cons? I'm

66
00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,640
Speaker 1: sure there's more cons than pros, But what are the

67
00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,639
Speaker 1: pros and cons of living apart a fair bit of.

68
00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:31,160
Speaker 2: The time, Probably not too many pros.

69
00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,840
Speaker 6: Obviously, we did it a lot early on when we

70
00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,720
Speaker 6: first kind of got together, and then even even early

71
00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,080
Speaker 6: on in being engaged and stuff, and I think at

72
00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,760
Speaker 6: that point it's probably as much as it still sucks,

73
00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,360
Speaker 6: it's a bit easier because there's no kids involved. There's

74
00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,160
Speaker 6: no anything like that. So we would obviously miss hanging

75
00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,520
Speaker 6: out with each other, but it was just me and Renee.

76
00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,480
Speaker 6: It wasn't anyone else involved. Now with the kids, this

77
00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:03,160
Speaker 6: is really the first time doing this without any of

78
00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,720
Speaker 6: the kids. And obviously Renee's got them pretty well, not

79
00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,040
Speaker 6: pretty much, he does have them full time, and we've

80
00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,520
Speaker 6: made it work as good as possible of obviously me

81
00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,760
Speaker 6: getting home when I can, depending on the schedule, and

82
00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,960
Speaker 6: then obviously Renee and the kids coming here whenever school

83
00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,680
Speaker 6: and that schedule works out.

84
00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,120
Speaker 2: So I mean, it sucks. It's always the hardest.

85
00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,320
Speaker 6: Like they were here for nine days or eight days

86
00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,200
Speaker 6: over Thanksgiving, which was awesome, and the day after they leave,

87
00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:34,960
Speaker 6: I come back and I'm used to like a bit

88
00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,760
Speaker 6: of a crazy household for those few days.

89
00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,679
Speaker 2: And then I get back.

90
00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:43,000
Speaker 6: And it's quiet, and I've got like a very humble

91
00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,040
Speaker 6: four bedroom apartment that we're in, but it's I literally

92
00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,159
Speaker 6: when they're not here, I use the bedroom and the sofa.

93
00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,159
Speaker 6: I just go between the both. I don't go in

94
00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,480
Speaker 6: the kitchen, I don't go in the laundry, so I.

95
00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,640
Speaker 2: Definitely miss the cooking and cleaning and all the wonderful things.

96
00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:06,159
Speaker 1: Well fucking hey, everyone, that was the NBA superstar. He

97
00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,479
Speaker 1: said that, not me. I don't endorse all.

98
00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,160
Speaker 2: Me and Rene. His joke.

99
00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,760
Speaker 6: Renee is a very organized, clothed washer, Like the washing

100
00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,960
Speaker 6: machine's going a lot of the time, And I like,

101
00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,960
Speaker 6: I could go weeks throughout washing because I can just

102
00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,400
Speaker 6: where I've got enough stuff. And so I mean, if

103
00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,960
Speaker 6: I showed you the laundry, but Renee would vomit and

104
00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,760
Speaker 6: you would probably laugh. But it's so choc a block full.

105
00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,280
Speaker 6: Because I've been like two weeks, I'm like, I really

106
00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:36,920
Speaker 6: don't need I just don't need to do it.

107
00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,760
Speaker 2: So it sucks not being with them.

108
00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,520
Speaker 6: But I think Renee and I both know it's it's

109
00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,400
Speaker 6: always it's the short term.

110
00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:45,440
Speaker 2: It's not going to be forever.

111
00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,560
Speaker 6: And myself as a as an athlete, still trying to

112
00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,080
Speaker 6: max out my last bit of my career.

113
00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,640
Speaker 2: And then.

114
00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,920
Speaker 6: After that they've got me full time, which you might

115
00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:56,880
Speaker 6: be kicking me out the door.

116
00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,640
Speaker 1: At that point you might be hoping you go back

117
00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,760
Speaker 1: and find another gig I on the OCD scale. If

118
00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,440
Speaker 1: you're at ten on the OCD scale, would you say

119
00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,040
Speaker 1: you're OCD or more just regular perfectionist?

120
00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,360
Speaker 4: Regular perfectionist?

121
00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,600
Speaker 3: And I would say the improvement in me in this

122
00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,680
Speaker 3: area in the last three to five years is enormous.

123
00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,680
Speaker 3: I have when I say it dropped my standards for me, Like, obviously,

124
00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,559
Speaker 3: I think I've been doing a lot of self work

125
00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,800
Speaker 3: and looking at all of those things and all of

126
00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,320
Speaker 3: the things that were I was putting so much energy

127
00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,240
Speaker 3: in and I've dialed all that back because it's just

128
00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,640
Speaker 3: a waste of time and stuff that doesn't matter, and

129
00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,360
Speaker 3: truly it takes me away from things that do matter. However,

130
00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,920
Speaker 3: I would say my standards are probably higher than your

131
00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,040
Speaker 3: average person, but that is more of a perfectionist me.

132
00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,840
Speaker 1: And so like with a lot of people who are

133
00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,240
Speaker 1: quite It's funny because I'm quite obsessive and quite a perfectionist.

134
00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,120
Speaker 1: With some things, I'm you and with other things, I'm Joe.

135
00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,880
Speaker 1: I do not give I'm like him. I could wear

136
00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,160
Speaker 1: the same T shirt for a week.

137
00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,120
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't, but I could, right, I could.

138
00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,000
Speaker 1: Turn the same pair of jocks inside out and back

139
00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,560
Speaker 1: to front for I don't know ever, I don't, but

140
00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,440
Speaker 1: like there's some things that when it comes to like

141
00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,560
Speaker 1: work things or producing content or doing a presentation in

142
00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,440
Speaker 1: front of a group, or do it my job, like

143
00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm very pedantic, but I think with other things not

144
00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,760
Speaker 1: so much. Is there an underlying fear or anxiety for

145
00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,440
Speaker 1: you around things not being good enough or organized enough

146
00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,760
Speaker 1: or perfect enough.

147
00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,000
Speaker 3: I think it's always come down to me of that

148
00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,920
Speaker 3: feeling of not being good enough. And I think particularly

149
00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,160
Speaker 3: when it came to like I've always been a very safe,

150
00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,200
Speaker 3: but very fearful person of what if or what if

151
00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,400
Speaker 3: the judgment, what if this happens, or what if they

152
00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,560
Speaker 3: don't like me in this and so much of what

153
00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,760
Speaker 3: other people say or think or do are out of

154
00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,120
Speaker 3: my control. Whereas how clean my house is, how much

155
00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,720
Speaker 3: washing I have, how I perform in all of those

156
00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,680
Speaker 3: dumb areas that really at the end of the day

157
00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,160
Speaker 3: don't matter, are things that I for a really long

158
00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,920
Speaker 3: time put a lot of control on, And particularly transitioning

159
00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,480
Speaker 3: into the mum life and not having my career and

160
00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,760
Speaker 3: standards in that aspect, I felt like there was nothing

161
00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,160
Speaker 3: in my day that made me feel like I was

162
00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:25,760
Speaker 3: achieving anything. So being this like superwoman housewife at home

163
00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,280
Speaker 3: with you know, three kids or at the time the

164
00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,679
Speaker 3: twins and Jacob's diagnosis, but having everything looking like it

165
00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,160
Speaker 3: was perfect made me feel like I was achieving something

166
00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,480
Speaker 3: or ticking those boxes. So it probably comes down to

167
00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,920
Speaker 3: that fear of judgment and being liked. Now, the mental

168
00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,520
Speaker 3: load on me, it just I can't be bothered, So

169
00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,920
Speaker 3: I would just say now, I'm just far better at

170
00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,719
Speaker 3: delegating that space or asking for help when I need

171
00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,679
Speaker 3: to so that I'm not an angry wreck at the

172
00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,480
Speaker 3: end of the day and my family don't get.

173
00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,880
Speaker 4: The better version of me. That's what the difference is.

174
00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,320
Speaker 3: Like, the mental load of thinking that I should or

175
00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,240
Speaker 3: have to do all those things to be perfect just

176
00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,000
Speaker 3: makes no sense at the end of the day because

177
00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,000
Speaker 3: it was just taking away from me and my energy.

178
00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,600
Speaker 3: So it was a combination of wanting to change and

179
00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,040
Speaker 3: a combination of burning out. So having to change when

180
00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,920
Speaker 3: it came to all of those perfectionist standards that I

181
00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,760
Speaker 3: had in and around my career and home life and

182
00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,360
Speaker 3: relationships and perception that I felt like everybody had of me.

183
00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,600
Speaker 1: That's interesting, Like a lot of you know, I've worked

184
00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,240
Speaker 1: with lots of athletes, and I'm interested in athletes who

185
00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,000
Speaker 1: when they step away from their sport or their professional career,

186
00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,120
Speaker 1: there's like this identity crisis. They don't know who they

187
00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,000
Speaker 1: are anymore because that's like what they do and who

188
00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,680
Speaker 1: they are is the same thing. And now I don't

189
00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,320
Speaker 1: do that anymore. So who the fuck am I now?

190
00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,839
Speaker 2: Was? Did that happen for you? Oh?

191
00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still happening.

192
00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,720
Speaker 3: I think that's a constant conversation in this house of

193
00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:54,640
Speaker 3: who am I?

194
00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,280
Speaker 4: Without that? And honestly, my default is still, well, let's.

195
00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,760
Speaker 3: Just get super fit again, super jacked, and get back

196
00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,520
Speaker 3: on the netbook corn, go do what everyone says that

197
00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:03,920
Speaker 3: you can't do.

198
00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,000
Speaker 4: Not too old.

199
00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,160
Speaker 3: For like, that's still the default because part of my

200
00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,880
Speaker 3: identity is still tied up in the athlete and the

201
00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,680
Speaker 3: achiever and all of those things. So that's a constant thing.

202
00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,240
Speaker 3: And also for me, I think the identity shift came

203
00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,080
Speaker 3: a little bit after I retired, because I retired and

204
00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,440
Speaker 3: then COVID hit, So it was almost like a year

205
00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,280
Speaker 3: to two of like not being like sport wasn't the

206
00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,680
Speaker 3: same netbull happened, but it was a bubble and I

207
00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,040
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I wouldn't have been in the bubble

208
00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,840
Speaker 3: anyway because I've got three kids and husband country Like

209
00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,600
Speaker 3: there was almost these excuses or like a band aid

210
00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,439
Speaker 3: put on what retirement.

211
00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:40,400
Speaker 4: Meant for me.

212
00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,920
Speaker 3: And then when the world opened up again and sport

213
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,600
Speaker 3: came back, and experience came back, and traveling came back,

214
00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,520
Speaker 3: and I was able to get into Australia and all

215
00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,280
Speaker 3: of those things and put my feet on the soil

216
00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,280
Speaker 3: in Australia, I went, oh, my gosh, I do miss

217
00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,160
Speaker 3: this thing. What is the void? Where is what does

218
00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,000
Speaker 3: that look and feel like? So still going through all

219
00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,400
Speaker 3: of that process, John, when I talk about this daily,

220
00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,440
Speaker 3: like who I am away from the athlete and the

221
00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,560
Speaker 3: gym and how I tie myself up into that work,

222
00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:07,320
Speaker 3: it's constant.

223
00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,560
Speaker 2: I need to be careful how I asked the next question.

224
00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,440
Speaker 1: But I was thinking before about you two, and I

225
00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:17,280
Speaker 1: was thinking like, obviously, Joe's one of the best Australian basketballers,

226
00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,640
Speaker 1: albeit looking like a vagrant at the moment, but nonetheless

227
00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,840
Speaker 1: one of Australia's best players of all time. All that stuff, right,

228
00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,720
Speaker 1: which is that goes without saying, but think about you

229
00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,920
Speaker 1: you are maybe when you were at your peak, you're

230
00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,720
Speaker 1: probably one of the best two or three netballers in the.

231
00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,360
Speaker 2: World, arguably do you know what I mean?

232
00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,600
Speaker 1: Arguably the best netballer in the world for a minute

233
00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,000
Speaker 1: or two.

234
00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,560
Speaker 2: There more than a minute or two.

235
00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,760
Speaker 1: Do you is there any kind of I don't know, Joe,

236
00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,360
Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Like, obviously you're a champion.

237
00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm not undermining anything that you've done. It's fucking incredible.

238
00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,840
Speaker 1: But do you think about how amazing your wife was

239
00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,440
Speaker 1: an as an athlete in a sport that just doesn't

240
00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,480
Speaker 1: get the accolades or financial rewards compared to what you

241
00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:04,920
Speaker 1: guys do.

242
00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,320
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, And like I mean even now, like we

243
00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:10,840
Speaker 2: were over.

244
00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,720
Speaker 6: In the States and people ask obviously they can look

245
00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,599
Speaker 6: at Renee until she played some sport. We try and

246
00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,079
Speaker 6: explain that ball, which obviously doesn't go down too well

247
00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:19,600
Speaker 6: over here.

248
00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:25,480
Speaker 2: But no, I'm like incredibly proud. It's to.

249
00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,920
Speaker 6: I guess now be married to someone. But when we

250
00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,800
Speaker 6: first met and kind of just two professional athletes and

251
00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,600
Speaker 6: figuring out along the way, and obviously I knew a

252
00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,920
Speaker 6: little bit about her, but then understanding like why and

253
00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,240
Speaker 6: how she was so good, and I mean she went

254
00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,760
Speaker 6: into a little bit with the OCD and perfectionist of

255
00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:51,440
Speaker 6: like she was not going to let anyone be stronger, fitter, quicker,

256
00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,680
Speaker 6: a better catch a thrower, like whatever it took, she

257
00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,120
Speaker 6: was going to be the best at that, which is

258
00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,760
Speaker 6: why she was a big, big reason and change of

259
00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,120
Speaker 6: like little girls wanting to be wing defense and not

260
00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,240
Speaker 6: throwing that bib away.

261
00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I still still now, like when the question.

262
00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,679
Speaker 6: Comes up of like who inspires you, who's your motivation?

263
00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,480
Speaker 6: Like it's always obviously the kids are always a part

264
00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,600
Speaker 6: of that. But seeing Renee at a professional level was

265
00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,320
Speaker 6: like scary impressive because me and her are completely off

266
00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,080
Speaker 6: in those senses, Like I'm a lot more laid back

267
00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,679
Speaker 6: and just kind of let it come to me and

268
00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,079
Speaker 6: I do what I need to do. And I've always

269
00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,320
Speaker 6: been a professional and tick the boxes I need to

270
00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,959
Speaker 6: tick to. I mean I've played nineteen years professionally now.

271
00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,440
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was always like, yeah, I always had

272
00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,120
Speaker 6: a thing in my head of like if I could

273
00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,960
Speaker 6: be like twenty percent of what Renee did, who knows

274
00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,280
Speaker 6: what else I could have been able to achieve. So yeah,

275
00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,040
Speaker 6: super impresident obviously, Now, like Renee said, like we speak

276
00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,480
Speaker 6: daily and trying to figure out, like since she's retired,

277
00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,200
Speaker 6: it's difficult, and I've probably made the joke of like

278
00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,520
Speaker 6: thinking I know exactly what I want to do when

279
00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,720
Speaker 6: I'm post career, but I'm sure I'll go through it

280
00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,960
Speaker 6: at some point when I don't have basketball like I

281
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,600
Speaker 6: do now, and I'll have a pretty experienced person in

282
00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,880
Speaker 6: that field to talk with about it. But no, it's

283
00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,120
Speaker 6: really cool and obviously like super proud tow her as

284
00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,640
Speaker 6: my wife and mother of our children. And yeah, everything

285
00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,000
Speaker 6: she's doing off the court now is getting up there

286
00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,040
Speaker 6: with just as impressive. But she does have more metals

287
00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,960
Speaker 6: than me, so she beats me and all that she does.

288
00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,800
Speaker 1: I didn't want to bring that up, but good humility,

289
00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,960
Speaker 1: man has the body. Nate, how are you holding up?

290
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,880
Speaker 1: I asked you that last time. I think you told

291
00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,280
Speaker 1: me you were kind of getting back on track, and

292
00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,600
Speaker 1: I see a couple of Insta shots of you in

293
00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,240
Speaker 1: the gym being somewhat jacked house things.

294
00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,440
Speaker 3: Oh how do I even say how I am in

295
00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,600
Speaker 3: that space? Fitness is a constant, like battle, but a

296
00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,840
Speaker 3: constant energy taker and energy giver when it comes to

297
00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,000
Speaker 3: me at the moment, people I think would look at

298
00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,000
Speaker 3: me and say yeah, but you're fit, and I'm like, yeah,

299
00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,040
Speaker 3: I am, like I'm fit and I'm strong. But I

300
00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,840
Speaker 3: think at the moment, I'm like, I'm starting to get

301
00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,520
Speaker 3: that fireback of like what's next in the fitness space

302
00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:21,800
Speaker 3: for me?

303
00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:22,960
Speaker 4: I actually.

304
00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,040
Speaker 3: Like, I'm like, do I run another marathon for charity

305
00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,840
Speaker 3: and do that again for Culture City? But I'm not

306
00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,280
Speaker 3: sure that's good for our marriage. Do I sign up

307
00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,320
Speaker 3: for an iron Man or do something like that to

308
00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,600
Speaker 3: raise money for charity? But I think all of those

309
00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,680
Speaker 3: things are small band aids for still trying to fill

310
00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:41,320
Speaker 3: that void.

311
00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,520
Speaker 4: But I love being fit. I love feeling good.

312
00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,160
Speaker 3: It gives me a journal and it gives me energy.

313
00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,240
Speaker 3: I love working out.

314
00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,200
Speaker 2: I sort of that is part of my Sunday night

315
00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,200
Speaker 2: ball league I have.

316
00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,440
Speaker 3: I've started tennis over here Grego and I love that.

317
00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,680
Speaker 3: And then in January a basketball league started up that

318
00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,720
Speaker 3: I got asked to come on a team, so I'm

319
00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,480
Speaker 3: really excited for that. So feeling those voids in middleways,

320
00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:11,240
Speaker 3: I still monthly get some state league netball teams from

321
00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,400
Speaker 3: Melbourne ask if I want to come back and have

322
00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,360
Speaker 3: a run around next year, but I'm sure that would

323
00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,840
Speaker 3: break my body into pieces.

324
00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:18,600
Speaker 4: But I.

325
00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,080
Speaker 2: Don't know. I don't know.

326
00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting you should do it, but there's a

327
00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,920
Speaker 1: big gap between your chronological and biological age.

328
00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,080
Speaker 2: I would think, how old are you at officially.

329
00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,280
Speaker 4: I'm thirty eight, Yeah.

330
00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,440
Speaker 2: So you your body ain't thirty eight though, Like you

331
00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:43,160
Speaker 2: don't have thirty PM games? Oh yeah, yeah, Well that's

332
00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,680
Speaker 2: a fucker ten.

333
00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,840
Speaker 6: Thirty in warrigal Or where I don't even know where

334
00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:48,720
Speaker 6: they are anymore.

335
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,560
Speaker 2: What do you want to be down there thirty on

336
00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,040
Speaker 2: a Wednesday?

337
00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,160
Speaker 4: Who knows? Who knows? I don't know. I'm like fit,

338
00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:58,360
Speaker 4: but I'm a different fit.

339
00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,040
Speaker 3: I'm strong at the moment, not necessary cardiovascular endurance fit.

340
00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,120
Speaker 2: But you could pioneer the first netball league in the States.

341
00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,000
Speaker 4: They do have netball leagues over here.

342
00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,560
Speaker 3: It's still like very very amateur, and they are introducing

343
00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,160
Speaker 3: it to college sports and stuff.

344
00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,399
Speaker 4: I have been in talks and stuff with.

345
00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,439
Speaker 3: Netball America and how I can help and coach and

346
00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,480
Speaker 3: different aspects of that. But at the moment, especially when

347
00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,479
Speaker 3: my husband lives in another state, it's a little bit

348
00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,680
Speaker 3: hard logistically to go and sort of build that from scratch.

349
00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,359
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean Craig Oh and I at

350
00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,960
Speaker 3: the moment are in so many conversations, like I feel

351
00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,879
Speaker 3: like my head's all over the place in terms of

352
00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,520
Speaker 3: what's next because we're just trying to Like, it's really

353
00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,600
Speaker 3: hard for us and where we're at right now to

354
00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,720
Speaker 3: have a vision of what our future looks like in

355
00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,080
Speaker 3: terms of where that is, Like, we can argue that

356
00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,320
Speaker 3: it's best for the kids here in their schools and

357
00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:53,320
Speaker 3: they're engaged and happy. Where's Joe's next career piece? Do

358
00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,360
Speaker 3: we need to be with family and stuff in Australia.

359
00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,679
Speaker 3: There's just so many angles that we can argue of

360
00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,240
Speaker 3: what our future can and should look like that in

361
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,240
Speaker 3: a space now of like having to have those really serious,

362
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,200
Speaker 3: in depth conversations that are really difficult because we don't

363
00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,280
Speaker 3: know what that future piece looks like. And part of

364
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,400
Speaker 3: that is that, like do I invest in that ball

365
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,200
Speaker 3: over here and start building that out? So I feel

366
00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,040
Speaker 3: like I've got a bit more of a career identity

367
00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,840
Speaker 3: in that space to like, where's Joe's next job going

368
00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,760
Speaker 3: to be? In terms of playing? Does he want to coach?

369
00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,240
Speaker 3: Does he want to go into front office? Does he

370
00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,000
Speaker 3: want to take a break? Do we try like as

371
00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,159
Speaker 3: just so many variables that we have to weigh up

372
00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,840
Speaker 3: in our lives and look at at the moment that

373
00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,919
Speaker 3: I'm having to get used to uncertainty and what that

374
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:35,439
Speaker 3: looks like.

375
00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,879
Speaker 4: And I don't love that uncomfortable feeling.

376
00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,960
Speaker 1: Guess what, baby cakes, Life is uncertain Life is uncomfortable,

377
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,000
Speaker 1: and life gives no fucks about your emotions or your fear.

378
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,480
Speaker 2: So batten down the hatchet. She know that you know that,

379
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,280
Speaker 2: you know? It's like, how adaptable can you be? And

380
00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,000
Speaker 2: for how long?

381
00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,719
Speaker 1: That's pretty much like I reckon the number one question

382
00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,960
Speaker 1: for life survival is pretty much how well can you

383
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:01,840
Speaker 1: solve problems?

384
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 2: You know?

385
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:07,400
Speaker 1: And how how comfortable can you be? How good can

386
00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,119
Speaker 1: you be in the discomfort? Like how comfortable can you

387
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,560
Speaker 1: be in that? You know, that equanimity, that calm in

388
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:13,160
Speaker 1: the chaos.

389
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,960
Speaker 3: What I'm realizing, though, is like Joe and I are

390
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,560
Speaker 3: like experts at actually being deep in the discomfort of

391
00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 3: the change, the transition and what all of those things are.

392
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 3: I'm not sitting in the discomfort of the uncertainty of

393
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,639
Speaker 3: what that is. It's not actually a mess that scares me.

394
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 3: It's not knowing, it's not knowing.

395
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean the thing is.

396
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 1: But not knowing as fine, not knowing as part of

397
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 1: the human experience, Like there's so much shit that you

398
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 1: will never know. And it's okay, Like you don't like

399
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 1: I think that idea that you need clarity and certainty

400
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 1: about the next one two five years and you need

401
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 1: it by fucking Friday night. It's like, just doesn't really happen.

402
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen.

403
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 3: I know, And I think for me is what is

404
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 3: tying into that lack of identity piece?

405
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 2: Is you know what Joe's thinking. He's thinking, thanks harp,

406
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 2: That's what he's thinking.

407
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 4: Absolutely is He's.

408
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 2: Like, thank fuck, where's this bloke? Bean? I need to

409
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,399
Speaker 2: get him on speed dial? You know we're doing this

410
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:19,640
Speaker 2: each night, right? That is all right?

411
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 1: Let me go back to something completely. Let me give

412
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 1: Renee an emotional break on the couch. How's your body mate?

413
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 1: How are you holding up?

414
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 6: I've I've been very lucky throughout my career. I have

415
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 6: just recently done my first CALF, which is an experience

416
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 6: at thirty seven years old. Now, prior to that, I

417
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 6: felt really good the last couple of years. I did

418
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 6: my ACL three years ago.

419
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 2: Now, so.

420
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 6: Building back from that, and getting that kind of confidence

421
00:20:53,640 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 6: back to play again, and yeah, realizing that I always

422
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 6: seen people do a CL's achilles. One of my best

423
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 6: mates did their achilles. I can seeing the rehab of

424
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 6: it and probably not fully believing that it takes a

425
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 6: couple of years to get back to like feeling yourself

426
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 6: and then doing it myself and realizing exactly what those

427
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 6: those other athletes have gone through. The last kind of

428
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 6: like six or twelve months, I've really started to feel

429
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 6: good again, and yeah, my body feels good, and probably

430
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 6: having that year off of ACL probably did did good

431
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 6: for me. I was definitely like mentally and physically a

432
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 6: little bit drained before that, And.

433
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: Who knows if I would still be playing if I

434
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: if I didn't do that. But I feel good. I

435
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 2: still really enjoy.

436
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 6: Like the NBA and the guys on my team, and

437
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 6: obviously being in the league and competing and doing all

438
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 6: those things.

439
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 2: And I do know, my mate, my days are counting down.

440
00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: I'm not unaware of that.

441
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 6: And I mean it even went into the decision of

442
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 6: coming here of like being on a on a really

443
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 6: good group. We grew a really good team with a

444
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 6: great group of guys, a great coaching staff. Obviously, the

445
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 6: only kind of negative is being away from Renee and

446
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 6: the kids. But yeah, just trying to maximize this kind

447
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 6: of last little stin of my career out and before

448
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 6: figuring out what Renee.

449
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: Is going through right now. Yeah, yeah, it's now.

450
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: This is a weird question, especially for an elite athlete

451
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: on an interview, But so my audience is not your

452
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: general sporting audience. It's about sixty five percent female and

453
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: thirty five percent guys. For people who have not much

454
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: of a clue, could you just tell them what a

455
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: normal NBA season looks like in terms of how long

456
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: is a season, how often do you play? Because I

457
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: don't think people would grasp the chaos of what it

458
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: is to be you.

459
00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it.

460
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 6: I think probably a lot of professionals was the NBA

461
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 6: with our salaries being out there and everything that comes

462
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 6: with it. Everybody loves to talk about the salaries and

463
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 6: the nice car and we charter charter plane, charter flights.

464
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 6: We have our own flight, our own plane to fly.

465
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 2: To games and stuff, which is all great, don't get

466
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: me wrong, But.

467
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 6: So we usually start we've got to be in the

468
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 6: kind of city that we're playing for at about August,

469
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 6: end of August, start of September. Season starts about start

470
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 6: to middle of October, so we have about a month

471
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 6: of pre season, so through middle of October basically start

472
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 6: of April, we play eighty two games, so we and

473
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 6: we have one week off in February as a bit

474
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 6: of an all Star break.

475
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: So we we.

476
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 6: Average probably four sometimes five games a week, And I think,

477
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 6: what what the like? What people don't understand? Which is

478
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 6: the difficult part. Again not complaining because I'm very, very

479
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 6: lucky in what we do. But we will play a

480
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 6: game wherever that might might be, and then we'll fly

481
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 6: straight after the game, get to either the next city

482
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 6: or home at two, three, four am, depending on where

483
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 6: we're going. Practice the next day at eleven, ten or eleven.

484
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 6: I might have a day off, depending whatever's but then

485
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 6: play again. So you're basically playing every second game, every

486
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 6: second day for basically that whole time. There's a few

487
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 6: little windows where you get two or three days, and

488
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 6: it's not, like I said, it's not hard. We stay

489
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 6: in beautiful hotels, we get our own plane, We obviously

490
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 6: get a lot of a lot of perks, but it's

491
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 6: the obviously the physical fatigue, but also the mental fatigue

492
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 6: of like getting in at three or four am, and

493
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 6: obviously with Renee, like I would get up as often

494
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 6: as I.

495
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: Could to help help with the kids or get them

496
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 2: to school and go to.

497
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 6: Practice then and then after practice go help with We've

498
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 6: got three kids at three different schools, so help with

499
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 6: picking the kids up and then entertaining the kids and

500
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 6: then heading off to a game and.

501
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 2: Then and obviously just kind of repeating that cycle.

502
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 6: So it is busy. Like I said, again, it's not

503
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 6: like I love it. It's what I've done since I

504
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 6: was seventeen. I don't know any different. I wouldn't know

505
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 6: what to do if I didn't have a Yeah, the

506
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 6: other part of it is like we we literally live

507
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 6: since I've been seventeen, and we live off a text

508
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 6: message the day before of what the schedule is.

509
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a rough idea.

510
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 6: Of like you can look on the internet at the games,

511
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 6: but like the daily schedule we do. Every day we

512
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 6: get a text from from one of the group admin

513
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 6: people and it says this is practice, this is your individual.

514
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 2: Times, and that's what you do.

515
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 6: So it's in terms of forward planning for someone like

516
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 6: Renee is not an ideal what life to be part

517
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 6: of the NBA, But like I said, it is what

518
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 6: I'm used to. It's it is what it is, and with.

519
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: My personality in the way I am, I find.

520
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 6: It kind of reasonably easy in terms of that because

521
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 6: I kind of just go with the flow anyway. So

522
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 6: it's busy, but like I said, I love I wouldn't

523
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 6: I wouldn't trade it for any job in the world.

524
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Nay, do you think that you and Joe

525
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: part of why you get on great? I'm assuming you

526
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: get on great. That was very presumptuous you seem too,

527
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: but this could all be a fucking act. Who knows,

528
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: that could be the world's best charade. Do you think

529
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: that part of why you two get on well is

530
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: because you're, like, you're really fucking different, Like you two

531
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: are so different, like chalk and cheese different.

532
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: But you know that is probably a good thing, right.

533
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: Well, And we knew that since day one, the day

534
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: we met, we were completely different, and I think that

535
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: has always been one of the things that kept us

536
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: really strong.

537
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 4: I think it's like at times hard.

538
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 3: To navigate, obviously, because we come at different situations or

539
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: problem solving in really different ways. But I've said since

540
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: the day that we met that I was always running

541
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: so fast and never never stopping. My brain wouldn't stop,

542
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: my activity wouldn't stop. Always had to be busy and

543
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: full schedule. And Joe's sort of at the other end

544
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 3: of the spectrum of that, and it's been a really

545
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 3: nice balance for me to come down and calm down

546
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 3: a little bit and find a balance. And it like Joe,

547
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I mean this in the best

548
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: way and love your pieces, but like raising his high

549
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: performance standards and like where that sort of stuff can

550
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 3: come up for him. We've been able to meet in

551
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: the middle and find a really nice balance.

552
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 4: And don't get me wrong, we.

553
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 3: Drive each other nuts because of our differences, but it's

554
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: also one of our strengths, I think. And there's always

555
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: something surprising because we're so different, so we laugh a lot,

556
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: and I think that's what is the most important usually

557
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 3: at each other because of our differences. But yeah, it's

558
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 3: sort of something since day one that we've embraced, I think.

559
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: And then one of the biggest things that we've had

560
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: in common is obviously our love for our athletic careers

561
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: and always been able to find synergy in that and

562
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: what our careers meant individually to ourselves, and understanding the

563
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: sacrifices that we needed to make individually to achieve all

564
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: that we were setting our sights on achieving, but then

565
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: wanting that for the other person as well. And I

566
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: truly think the lifestyle that we have over here, it's

567
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 3: really difficult to get used to, and it's not a

568
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: lifestyle that a lot of people understand until they're actually

569
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: in it. But I think that is made easier for

570
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: us as a couple because I was an athlete before

571
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: and do understand the sacrifice and stuff that he needs

572
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: to make in that space. Wouldn't necessarily do all of

573
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: the same things in the way he does or doesn't prepare.

574
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: But I've learned a lot over my career in how

575
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: I helped my game because of what he was able

576
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: to show me and teach me in all of those things.

577
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: And what I will say, Joe, I'm not like throwing

578
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: you under the bus, but I am a little.

579
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: Bit is that I feel like she is.

580
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: We're talking like he is the most laid back, relaxed person.

581
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, but there are things that he's

582
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: also very particular.

583
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: On in terms of like.

584
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: Outfits and T shirts and shoes and where the trackie

585
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: pants like fit into the socks, and like your pregame

586
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: routine and when your coffee is and like you're relaxed

587
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: and you're flexible, but you also like things the way

588
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: you like things too.

589
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: Hey, don't fuck with his rituals, all right, that's.

590
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: That's any of the Are any of those rituals superstitions?

591
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 6: No?

592
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: Well, the only thing I've really used to.

593
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 6: Do that I thought was like a supers But then

594
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 6: I don't think like my biggest thing. Like Rene, we're

595
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 6: so different in how we approached it, I think, and

596
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 6: for me it was like.

597
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: It was all it was.

598
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 6: All I knew of how to approach It was like

599
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 6: and then I meet Renee and it's like, oh shit,

600
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 6: there's probably a few things I can do a little

601
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 6: bit better.

602
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: And I think vice versa.

603
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 6: She was like, Oh, I probably don't need to do

604
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 6: a B and C every single minute of every day

605
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 6: to be okay for the game on one game a

606
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 6: week on a Saturday. Yeah, Like I've got a few

607
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 6: Like when when I mean this is different this year

608
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 6: because I'm here by myself, but like I would get

609
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 6: to the arena early. That was probably my main one

610
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 6: of the main like the chaos of the day in

611
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 6: the morning and whatever. I would get to the arena

612
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 6: a bit early and that's it, and I would like

613
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 6: shower and get organized, and that was kind of like

614
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 6: the reset of like, all right, now I know Renee

615
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 6: and the kids are good, They've.

616
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: Had dinner or whatever. Now I've showered.

617
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 6: Now I can kind of get ready and focus for

618
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 6: the game. I mean, I'm very boring with like what

619
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 6: Renee said with like I've got this one. I've been

620
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 6: sponsored by Nike my whole career, so I've always just

621
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 6: had Nike clothes for free.

622
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: I've got this one other brand.

623
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 6: That I wear clothing wise, and I don't venture out

624
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 6: of that, and I wear like I could have the same,

625
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 6: but I've got three hundred. We're kindred spirits, you know.

626
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: I went to Southland the other day, which is a

627
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: shopping center.

628
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: Here, nit Rene is going to.

629
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: Roll her fucking eyes because she's a goddamn goddess, right,

630
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: I went to south Land.

631
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: I only wear black T shirts.

632
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: We spent all our time at southlande We have a

633
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: house in Bomoros.

634
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: Steady on.

635
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: And I got there and I bought eight black T shirts.

636
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: It took me twelve minutes in and out on the

637
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: motorbike home. Total trip twenty six minutes. Fucking eight shirts.

638
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: You welcome. Now, I just rotate those. I don't give

639
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: people go you wear the same thing all the time.

640
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, I do, and it doesn't.

641
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: Matter to me.

642
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: That's the last thing I need to spend energy on

643
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: is what you fucking think of my T shirt.

644
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 6: And the funny thing for us in what we do

645
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 6: is like the last maybe five six years has turned

646
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 6: into this like fashion parade walking into the NBA arena

647
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 6: people folk. There's actually awards that this like I don't

648
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 6: even remember what it's called now, but like people get

649
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 6: awards for who is like best dressed throughout the year,

650
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 6: And I'm like, I could wear the same Nike like

651
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 6: Wolves sweatsuit every single day because for me, it's like

652
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 6: like tomorrow night, we got a game. It's on TNT,

653
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 6: so we're on National TV tomorrow, big game against the Knicks.

654
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: Who.

655
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 6: We had a big trade right before the season started

656
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 6: with the Knicks, so like our players coming back, the

657
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 6: two guys we got are playing them for the first time.

658
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 6: It's this big hype, like our guys are going to

659
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 6: come some of the outfits tomorrow.

660
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: Make sure you follow whoever posts them or whatever, because

661
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: it'll be great.

662
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 6: But my thing is like, I'm going to leave here

663
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 6: at whatever six o'clock tomorrow night to go to the stadium,

664
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 6: go do my thing, blah blah blah, do it, and

665
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 6: then I'm going to come right back to this seat

666
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 6: here at about midnight, like I don't know, understand.

667
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: And then when we're on the road, you're getting on a.

668
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 6: Plane anyway, you're sitting on a bus in the arena,

669
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 6: taking all these fancy closer and putting them back on

670
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 6: to sit on the plane for two hours to then

671
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 6: go to the hotel and check back in. So for me,

672
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 6: I've always been I'm like you, I don't care about

673
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 6: what I wear, what I'd like. My teammates laugh at

674
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 6: me all the time because I went and being a minute.

675
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 6: So I just wear the same like hoodie and be

676
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 6: I wear.

677
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: I've worn this every day for about three weeks and

678
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't care less. But I'm warm, mate. It's all

679
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: about function and comfort. That's Renee.

680
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 6: And I will go out for dinner, She'll put on

681
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 6: she always like she she likes her fashion.

682
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: A little bit. And you look, show the throw the

683
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: world on the camera your wardrobe. Can I just tell

684
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: you everybody, we got to look. We got to look

685
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: from missus Ingles then like that, are you fucking with me?

686
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: Look so good? I will wear if we go to dinner?

687
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: What do I wear to dinner? If we go to dinner, all.

688
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: The same think they were to a basketball game. It

689
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 4: never changed.

690
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 6: Like black jeans if I have to get really fancy

691
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 6: and a black T shirt, or if I'm going like

692
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 6: to lunch or whatever, if it's black tracks and a

693
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 6: black or maybe white T shirt.

694
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: If I'm getting a little crazy, like crazy for me

695
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 4: is jeans. Like let's just remember our first date and

696
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: why you fell in love with me.

697
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw the money from the netballs. I got

698
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: to get this. That was right.

699
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 6: He just went with thebes under the under the driver's

700
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 6: I was like, oh my god, I get to drive

701
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 6: the Vixen's car.

702
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 4: Remember car cra like's bright?

703
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, I remember it all.

704
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: I can imagine him seeing you across the netty court

705
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: and just going katching.

706
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: Look at that.

707
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 3: Must be milking it in Actually no, you know what

708
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: every night and baked fish.

709
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 6: She can't the first thing I what I mean, obviously

710
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 6: knew she was a very attractive woman or younger woman

711
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 6: back then, but when she rocked up, because she'd already

712
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 6: she canned me about five times on like the first date, coffee,

713
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 6: whatever we're going to do. And so the last time

714
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 6: we did it, I'd gone out the night before and

715
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 6: like wasn't expect because I'd always wake up the next

716
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 6: morning to a text of like, oh, sorry I can't come.

717
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: I've got blah.

718
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah to day or I'm like whatever, fucking

719
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 6: I guess I'll never see this girl. And then she

720
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 6: rocked up the first time and she had like a

721
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 6: sweatsuit on trackis and a hoodie and I was like, fuck,

722
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 6: I'm in here, this is a fellow.

723
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, those first those first five cancelations, were they bullshit

724
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: or legit?

725
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

726
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: What's the go with that? Tell us Like, let's.

727
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: Just like at that time of you know what I

728
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 3: was like back then, Crago, we'd go out every weekend Netbull.

729
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: We'd play on a Friday night for the Melbourne Phoenix

730
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: and Vixen's or like you're playing on Sunday, so you

731
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: kind of had a night every time to go out

732
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 3: and basketball where much the same.

733
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: Joe was playing in Australia.

734
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: I'd see him in the clubs, you know, and in

735
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: my mind I was like, dating in elite athletes not

736
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 3: for me. I'm like, I'm a relationship list. I'm always

737
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: in relationships. The elite athlete life is just not for me.

738
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: I don't trust a lot of people. And then ditched

739
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: him five times and then met him and said, oh god,

740
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: this guy, I actually like him.

741
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: I Renee. His mother, Margaret had a bit of a

742
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 2: hand in that. She as much as we've gone blows

743
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: over the years about little things, she was the one

744
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: that made Rene go on the first date.

745
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 6: So shout out to little old Margie out in Phillip Island.

746
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: Renee reminds me of Renee back in the day.

747
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: You probably know this, but shouted t shirt that said

748
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: give us a hug and a baseball cap that said

749
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: but fuck off.

750
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: Though it's like that, a little bit of her was

751
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, a red food brou shir this love.

752
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's hilarious. Hey, no, how do you think

753
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: you're going to go at basketball.

754
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm going to like get MVP.

755
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have you played, Like, I'm sure you've

756
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: played a bit, but have you ever played in a

757
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: team for a season or something.

758
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 3: I played until I was sixteen and was definitely not

759
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: good compared to netball, Like I was a netballer, not

760
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: a basketballer. And then actually, after I had the twins

761
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: in Salt Lake City, I played in a league in

762
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City out of this random little church with

763
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: this random group who a couple of them have Actually

764
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: we've stayed really close as friends. So I was a

765
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 3: bit wobbly on my feet then, but I actually knew

766
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: in my mind that I was going to be coming

767
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: back to netball, so I thought playing basketball might help

768
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: me get my feet going a little bit back on

769
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: the court.

770
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm really really excited to hit the basketball

771
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: court again. I've got no.

772
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: Basketball skill, but I'm athletic, so I think I can

773
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 3: rebound the ball and I think I'm going to steal

774
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: it and pass to someone else to dribble.

775
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 6: And true, that's kind of how Obi. She's going to

776
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 6: be the best have the best shoes in the game.

777
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: One percent per Hey, So I'm going to ask you both.

778
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you both a question and you're

779
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: not allowed to answer it straight away because I want

780
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: to ask you both the same question, and I don't

781
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: want you to confer. So from zero percent to one

782
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: hundred percent? What are the chances that in five years

783
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: you'll be living in Australia. I both want you to

784
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: get so zero percent you know you won't be living

785
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: in Australia at all. One hundred percent? Absolutely, what's the percentage?

786
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: I want you each to think of it and then

787
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: don't fucking change mind when the other one says the answer. Rene,

788
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: We're going to start with you in five years time?

789
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: What's the percentage.

790
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: Chance going to be? I'm going to write mine down

791
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: so you guys know that I'm not lying. Yeah, you

792
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: write it down? You write it down? Renee, do you

793
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 2: have pen and paper or no? I can?

794
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 4: Do you want me say?

795
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: I've written down? Write it down? Okay?

796
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: And when let's do this, which is terrible for an

797
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: audio podcast, but I'll tell everybody the results. We might

798
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: put a snap on socials, okay on three on three?

799
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 2: Ready? One, both both of you? Now, mine's on my phones.

800
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 6: I might not be as cool, but okay, three two,

801
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 6: one oh, hang on, So eighty percent and does that

802
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 6: say thirty seven percent?

803
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: Thirty seven? Wow?

804
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: So missus Ingles thinks there's an eighty percent chance that

805
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: the family will be in Australia in five years. Mister Ingles, Fuck,

806
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: this is this is going to be a scoop. This

807
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: will be in the Herald Sun in Melbourne tomorrow, do

808
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: you yeah? This could be everyone? This could like if

809
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: the marriage is on the rocks in six weeks, you

810
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: know where it started.

811
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: Five years, we're going to know who wears the pants.

812
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: That's what we're going to know.

813
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: Nate, where does your Okay, let's let's unpack this, not

814
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: for too long, because I really don't want to start

815
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: some kind of domestic fucking implosion.

816
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 6: It's actually funny because we've been talking about this a

817
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 6: lot the last like a few months.

818
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: So right, right, I've got my I've got my reasons

819
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: for that number. Right, I'm sure. Let's let's hear your case.

820
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: Let's hear your case. Joe first, All right, Nate, what

821
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: do you think there's an eight out of ten chance

822
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: you'll be back here?

823
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 3: The fact that we're talking about the option of it

824
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: so much right now makes me believe, given that that

825
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: conversation is happening, that there's something under their bubbling. And

826
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: I think in five years we're going to have a

827
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: lot more perspective or understanding or awareness of what Joe's post.

828
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 4: Career looks like.

829
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 3: And I think we could really happily be here for

830
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: another one, two, three, four, five years. But I just

831
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: think the fact that this the conversations are bubbling that

832
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: in five years, the age of all of our kids

833
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: and the resiliency that they'll have then compared to even.

834
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: Now, is young.

835
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 3: And after a few couple of moves, I just think, yeah,

836
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: in five years, every like so much can change in

837
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: five years. I think about how much older my parents.

838
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 3: My parents will be seventy in five years. So what

839
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 3: does their helse look our families?

840
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: Oh she got you there, big fella, she got you there.

841
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 2: That's like an ace.

842
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: He's played the emotional joker card boom.

843
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

844
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 6: So I if you had said, like the question was

845
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 6: phrased like would we end up in Australia, I think

846
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 6: we will end up probably living in Australia at some

847
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 6: point for the rest of our lives. Like five years,

848
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 6: ten years, like whatever they did will I would be

849
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 6: very confident to say we would live like things would

850
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 6: have to be dramatically amazing over here for us to

851
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 6: stay here like forever.

852
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: So I do think we will live.

853
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 6: In Australia at some point, at whatever age that is,

854
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 6: for the rest of our lives. But I don't think

855
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 6: it'll be in fire like Renee said, Like we've we've

856
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 6: talked about it a lot.

857
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 2: We go back and forth. We one day we're like America,

858
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: one day we're Australia.

859
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'm at like, I technically agree with Rene's

860
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 6: eighty percent, but I think I just think it'll be

861
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 6: it'll be some point down like somewhere down.

862
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: The track.

863
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: Actually as well, because part of the conversations Craigo that

864
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 3: Joe and I have a lot is.

865
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 4: That move is made.

866
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: It's final, Like we're not going to be moving country

867
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: to country backwards and forwards if it's the right decision.

868
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: So it would have to be very known that that

869
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: is the right decision.

870
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: So I need to need a marriage guidance counselor I

871
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: just want to say you're welcome, I'm here.

872
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: Rates are very reasonable.

873
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that I'm fucking making your

874
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: marriage better, but I mean data, you know, So, yeah,

875
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: we're just.

876
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 4: Going to run our marriage now.

877
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: Whenever we're talking, we're just going to have to go, okay,

878
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: write your percentage down and.

879
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: Then yeah, sure. It's actually a pretty smart idea, come.

880
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 3: To understanding where we're both at in terms of these decisions.

881
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 6: That number you're going to You're going to think I

882
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 6: was crazy, but yeah, I genuinely do think we we will.

883
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 6: I mean, I know we will live in Australia at

884
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 6: some point, but it is I think too like what

885
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 6: I think people feel like, we're We're clearly Australian. We

886
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 6: love Australia, we will live in Australia, but we've also

887
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 6: like we've also been here for this is like at

888
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 6: the end of this year, we've been here twelve years.

889
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't been three years. Like this is at

890
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: the moment, this is home.

891
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 6: Home is like our home home right now is in

892
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 6: Orlando's where Renee is sitting right now, and our kids

893
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 6: are happy, Jacob's thriving in his school there. We're not

894
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 6: just going to pack all that up in the next

895
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 6: few months to move back to Australia. Because we want

896
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 6: to live in Australia there there has to be some

897
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 6: great reasons.

898
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: There has to.

899
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 6: Be schools for Jacobs, schools for the other two kids

900
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 6: post career, what I want to do obviously what Renee

901
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 6: wants to do with her working career wants once we

902
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 6: figure all that out, So yeah, I definitely think we'll

903
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 6: be back. There would just be a matter of when

904
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 6: it is.

905
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: What is the biggest adaptation Renee that you had to

906
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: make living in the States, Like, what was the thing

907
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: that you had to not necessarily that was bad, but

908
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: like for you you really needed to adapt and adjust

909
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: to something.

910
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: What's the biggest adaptation? I good question. I don't know.

911
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: Is it just just being away from family or something, or.

912
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 3: I think so because I'm really really close to my family.

913
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: I speak to my family every day while we're over here,

914
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: So there's obviously logistics and stuff that comes into that

915
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: with time differences. But I'd say one of the other

916
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: adaptations is like, I think it would have been a

917
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: really natural career move for me once I finished playing

918
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 3: netball to move into another role in netball, and.

919
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 4: That hasn't been able to happen.

920
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: But I also think that's been a strength, Like the

921
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: amount that I am learning and growing over here in

922
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: another country, in another environment, with different people, different cultures,

923
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 3: the different cities we've lived over here. I just think

924
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 3: the information that Joe and I gaining from the experience

925
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: that we're having over here, I believe far outweighs me.

926
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: When we do decide to move back to Australia, we

927
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: bring all of that back with us. So wel it's

928
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: a yeah, you can argue it so many ways. It's

929
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: like what we spoke about last time was on your podcast.

930
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 3: To everything that's a costom there's a reward, but we're

931
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 3: really like we love life in Orlando. Will definitely say

932
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: that we just don't have a community here, like it's

933
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: pretty lonely.

934
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: So that Joe, do you get I don't know what

935
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: the word is, but I don't know I'm going to

936
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: go with this. I don't even know if this is

937
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: a term, but recognition fatigue where people go hey, hey, hey,

938
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: do you just wish you could just go somewhere and

939
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: nobody goes hey are you? Aren't you kind of a selfie?

940
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: Like does that wear you out? Or is that what is?

941
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: Or does it just depend on how you're feeling on

942
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 2: a day.

943
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 6: Probably a little bit depending on how I'm feeling the

944
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 6: if if I'm ever with Renee or the kids, I

945
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 6: can be an absolute, complete, very rude, which Renee would

946
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 6: Renee would like try and like run over there and

947
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 6: apologize for me if I'd said something to someone and

948
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 6: they The biggest like trigger for me with those things

949
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 6: is everybody knows what we're doing, how much we're paid,

950
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 6: where we like, where we live, where, like everything is

951
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 6: so public and the one time or whatever it is,

952
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 6: once or twice a week when I'm with my kids

953
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 6: at a restaurant or at a park, like, just let.

954
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: Me be with my kids at And in saying that,

955
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: I get what.

956
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 6: Being a professional athlete being in the NBA, I get

957
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 6: what brick like what comes with that.

958
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: I'm not saying.

959
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 6: I hate it whatever it is, but it does get Yeah,

960
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 6: it's probably a good word, Like the fatigue is is

961
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 6: a real thing with that, And I'd definitely like, I mean,

962
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 6: there's probably a million people I would have to apologize

963
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 6: to that I have been rude to, but I would

964
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 6: hope that they stand to some level of like I

965
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 6: don't get to see my kids that often.

966
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: I don't get to spend this time.

967
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 6: Having a waffle with my daughter at a like all

968
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 6: these little things that people get to do everything every

969
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 6: Saturday or everyone.

970
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: I don't get to do these things.

971
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 6: I missed Miller's Little class show today, Like I don't

972
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 6: get to go to these things. So I would like

973
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 6: some people would probably argue that I would be lying,

974
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 6: but I would be more than happy when I stopped

975
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 6: playing to never be recognized again and just be with

976
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 6: Renee and the kids and live on a nice big

977
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 6: block of land with no neighbors.

978
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: And yeah, I believe it. I believe you hate Nay.

979
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to well, I want to talk to you

980
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: both about and we'll start to wind up because I

981
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: know you don't have all day, but thank you for

982
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: chatting to me.

983
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: I love it.

984
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: I was talking this morning about I was talking with

985
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: somebody about, you know, some of the athletes that I've

986
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: worked with over the years who were like, hugely talented

987
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: but really just didn't do it because whatever they couldn't

988
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: manage their fear or anxiety or emotions, or they had

989
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: a shit work ethic, or they were lazy, or they

990
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: got fucking offended every four minutes or you know, and

991
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: then other people that. And one of the examples I

992
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: gave was Jackie Cooper, the aerial ski jumper. So she

993
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: went to five Olympics. I trained her for nearly twenty years,

994
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, five time world champion, five time Olympian, like,

995
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: and she would tell you not that gifted.

996
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: And I would like, as an athlete, you.

997
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: Throw a ball that hits her in the face, right,

998
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: like not but a good like the toughest person, maybe

999
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: the toughest athlete I've ever trained in terms of resilience.

1000
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: And talk to me a little bit about like I think,

1001
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: I think about optimizing potential, and I think about you,

1002
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: like you were talented anyway, but then on top of that,

1003
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: you added this work ethic and this borderline obsessive kind

1004
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: of attitude and you know, ticking every box and all

1005
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: this stuff. Then I think about Joe and I think,

1006
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: maybe he's lasted so long because he's kind of fucking

1007
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: laid back. Maybe a completely different approach, do you know

1008
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't think there's one way to

1009
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: optimize potential. What are your thoughts?

1010
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's one winning recipe in that

1011
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: I think in terms of when it came to me

1012
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: and my underlying work ethic. It was always came from

1013
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: a place of regardless of what game I'd won, or

1014
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 3: championship I'd won, or if I felt like I was

1015
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: lucky enough and got an individual award, whatever those things were,

1016
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: there was an underlying feeling in me that I was

1017
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: never good enough, and I think that drove the work ethic.

1018
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 3: It was almost like, well, I'll prove my way or

1019
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: all hard work way into that, and that was almost

1020
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 3: like my inner dialogue. I think when it comes to

1021
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 3: Joe and Joe play, jump in and correct me if

1022
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: I'm wrong at any stage. What I've always admired about

1023
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: Joe is He's had this inner burn to like prove

1024
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: people wrong, or this underlying belief in himself as a

1025
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: basketballer on the court and his ability and what he

1026
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 3: brings to a team, which he like along the way,

1027
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 3: has taught me, or like even like the reflecting on

1028
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: a failure or whatever it is, Joe's always been really

1029
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: good at like just flicking the switch and moving on,

1030
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: And like the NBA is part of that, Like they

1031
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: play so often, they can't wallow, whereas netball and our

1032
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 3: performances and me not missing out on teams or whatever

1033
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: that stuff was. Netball and basketball have quite a different culture,

1034
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 3: I think when it comes to those things. But yeah,

1035
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 3: I feel like I always lacked the inner self belief

1036
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 3: that I felt like if I wasn't trying to get

1037
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: one percent better, then that one percent would be the

1038
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 3: reason I didn't make a team or that we did lose,

1039
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 3: or that I failed.

1040
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 4: And I never wanted that to be on me. I

1041
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 4: wanted to write, couldn't.

1042
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 3: Have worked any harder, like, there's no excuse from that aspect,

1043
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: Whereas Joe has had this god given talent and people

1044
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 3: along the way that have sort of said, no, you're

1045
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: not going to make it, or your teacher Joe when

1046
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: you're in primary school saying no, like you need to

1047
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: pick a different career, and him going whatever, This is

1048
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: what I always had that in a self belief.

1049
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: Oh missus, i'rilly, you fucked up. You got it wrong.

1050
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: He fucked up a lot.

1051
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 6: I think I definitely don't think there's one like. I mean,

1052
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 6: there's two recipes right here that are completely different and

1053
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 6: have both had hell of a sporting career. I think

1054
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 6: for me it was always yeah, that that inner like

1055
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 6: because I was never I was never the best on

1056
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 6: any of the teams I was.

1057
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: I was never I was.

1058
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 6: I think one of the things I have been really

1059
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 6: good at is like the consistency of what I've done.

1060
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: Like I've I've always worked hard, I've always showed up.

1061
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 6: I don't I don't miss practice, I don't miss days,

1062
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 6: I don't miss games. I don't like I've always just played,

1063
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 6: practiced and done everything at a at a at a

1064
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 6: pretty consistent level. And like I said, whether that's right,

1065
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 6: Like there's probably some things I could have done differently

1066
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 6: that maybe I would have been a little bit better

1067
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 6: or a little bit quicker or whatever it is. And

1068
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 6: I think along the way you find those things out.

1069
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 6: Like I mean, one of the people that I'm still

1070
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 6: I just spoke to him tonight, a guy called Mike Elliott,

1071
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 6: who's one of my performance directors in Utah, kind of

1072
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 6: changed my whole thought process of my career. Like I

1073
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 6: played five years straight or something under him, didn't miss

1074
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 6: a game. I played like five hundred games straight without

1075
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 6: missing a game in the NBA and playing in the

1076
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 6: summers with the Olympics and stuff like that, and just

1077
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 6: just different different people along the way that can teach you, like,

1078
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 6: I'm never going to have the same athleticism or body

1079
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 6: tie or whatever is Anthony Edwards one of my teammates,

1080
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 6: or as Dante DiVincenzo or whoever the's got like the

1081
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 6: Americans or whoever it is. But I know what I'm

1082
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 6: really good at. I know what I what I can

1083
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 6: do to help help our team or my team, and

1084
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 6: I've just tried to always stay really consistent with that.

1085
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: Where yeah, just I don't know, I think that then that.

1086
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 4: Is the recipe.

1087
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: Then it's actually it's not playing the comparison game and going, well,

1088
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 3: he or she is doing this, so I need to

1089
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 3: try and do this as well, because they achieved it by.

1090
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 4: Doing it this way.

1091
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 3: I need to find what my winning recipe is for

1092
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: me and embrace that and like full step with which

1093
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 3: way both of us are done.

1094
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 6: I can one hundred percent like and I'm still very

1095
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 6: confident in what I do. But there is a lot

1096
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 6: of players that are better than me, that haven't.

1097
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: Had as long an NBA career as me, purely.

1098
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 6: Because I've accepted a role, like I knew who I

1099
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 6: was and I accepted that role. And yeah, of course

1100
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 6: I'm always trying to get better and play more minutes

1101
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 6: and like make more money and do all those things

1102
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 6: that we do as athletes.

1103
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 2: But I knew, I knew who I.

1104
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 6: Was as a as a player and as a teammate,

1105
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 6: and like I still now, I'm like the joking asshole

1106
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 6: of every team I've been on, Like I can be

1107
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 6: a prick, but I'm a good teammate. Like all my

1108
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 6: teammates would say they enjoy being around me. But I'm

1109
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 6: also going to call it straight when I need to,

1110
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 6: Like it's just who I am. So I think, yeah,

1111
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 6: I think there's different for everyone, But I think, yeah,

1112
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 6: like accepting the role that I was kind of given

1113
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 6: and then trying to be really good at that role

1114
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 6: is why I've lasted as long as I have compared

1115
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 6: to Like I know, for a fact, I could probably

1116
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 6: name people that I know are better and more talented

1117
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 6: and quicker and faster than me. But I didn't want

1118
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 6: to accept certain roles for whatever reason. Maybe it was

1119
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 6: valid and whatever, but I knew what was going to

1120
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 6: keep me in this league, and I've done everything to

1121
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 6: do that, and I think I've proved that I that

1122
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 6: I can do it.

1123
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go, all right? I mean, you know, Craig Harper,

1124
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: but look you go, all right, well done? Well were

1125
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: you the leading three point score at Utah?

1126
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: There's only one of us. I'm at the top. Welcome

1127
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: back to the Humble Hour with Joe Ingles. Let me

1128
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: tell you how humble I am.

1129
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 6: So fuck it was honestly one of my like I've

1130
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 6: been like, the bronze medal with the Australian team is

1131
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 6: always going to top everything that I've been able to

1132
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 6: do with my sporting career because it was the first

1133
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 6: one ever. But to come to the NBA at twenty

1134
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 6: seven and really not be looked at to come over

1135
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 6: here much before that at all. And then, like Rene

1136
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 6: said before, we loved our time in Utah and all that,

1137
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 6: and we got embraced and had a hell of a

1138
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 6: community there of pretty cool people. But to then say

1139
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 6: you broke a record of a franchise that had John

1140
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 6: Stock and Calm Alone or like all these guys playing,

1141
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 6: and yeah, grant a very different league now to then

1142
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 6: like whatever, But to still say I was number one.

1143
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 6: So when Donovan Mitchell got traded from Utah, who was

1144
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 6: about to catch me? So they traded him at the

1145
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 6: perfect time. So he's still number two. I think, so, yeah,

1146
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 6: you got you're.

1147
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: Listening suffering your jocks mate. It is interesting though, in

1148
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: a it's like different things work for different people, right

1149
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: in that you know, you can have like what will

1150
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: be the ideal training program for you would be a

1151
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: terrible training program for someone else.

1152
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1153
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: It's like what is like when people I get a

1154
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: lot of older dudes ask me how I train and

1155
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: how I eat and and all that, like my model,

1156
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: my operating system. I'm like, yeah, don't do what I

1157
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: do though, because you're not me, Like, you'll fucking die

1158
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: if you do what I do because I ate two

1159
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: meals a day and I'm the most most boring motherfucker

1160
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: in Australia. So don't do what I do because you

1161
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: won't last. And it's not because I'm tough, it's just

1162
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: that's what works for my mind, my brain, my body.

1163
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: And I think there.

1164
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: Is this kind of when we talk about high performance

1165
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: or positive change or growth or I don't think a

1166
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: lot of people think with you know, when it comes

1167
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: to training or recovery or nutrition or getting strong or

1168
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: developing skill or there's a best way. But the truth

1169
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: is there isn't. There's like your best way, Joe's best way,

1170
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: my best way, and there's a bunch of variables around that.

1171
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: And it's trying to actually figure out not only how

1172
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: your body works, but how your brain and your mind

1173
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: and your emotional system works so that you can get

1174
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: the best out of you. You know, and as I

1175
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: can't say who, but I worked at some Kilda footy

1176
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: club for a while and I remember a coach talked

1177
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: to a player that I knew the player extremely well,

1178
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: in fact, he worked for me. And I saw this

1179
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: guy try this communication style with this guy which was

1180
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: completely fucking wrong for this guy's personality and the moment

1181
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: he basically attacked him in an effort to try to

1182
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: get him to perform, but it was the guy just

1183
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: shut down. I'm like, you're a fucking idiot. That guy

1184
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: is now going to hate you and never going to

1185
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: do anything for you. And that's what happened, Like he

1186
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: just destroyed because he didn't understand how to communicate and

1187
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: connect and inspire this person. And he would use the

1188
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: same model for every personality and so it's very hit

1189
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: and miss, like you can't you can't talk to ten

1190
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: different people the same way and expect the same outcome.

1191
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: That just shows your lack of social and emotional intelligence.

1192
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: I do think though Crago, like back in that time

1193
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 3: and when you were with Saint Kilda, you were ahead

1194
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: of the game in terms of that stuff. Like I

1195
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: think sport now has evolved and there is a more

1196
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: of an understanding of the individuals as human beings in sport.

1197
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 3: So I think that that thought pattern that you had

1198
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 3: an understanding, especially in like the old school AFL environment,

1199
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 3: like you're a I'm being able to understand that and

1200
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 3: have the emotional telligence of that. But I would agree

1201
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: that there's no winning recipe that is broad enough.

1202
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 4: That everyone can fit under that blanket.

1203
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 3: It's about finding for yourself what works for you your mind,

1204
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 3: your body, your soul, your recovery, you sleep, all of

1205
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: those things. And then the winning recipe on top of

1206
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 3: that is when you see an opportunity, fucking take it

1207
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: like yeah, don't there and what you've got to take

1208
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 3: it whatever, And that I think has been true for

1209
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 3: Joe and I cross both of our careers in so

1210
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 3: many different ways and formats. But you've got to take

1211
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 3: the opportunities because if you don't, someone else will.

1212
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: I could talk to you guys all day, but you

1213
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: probably got more important things to do to talk to

1214
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: a fucking and nobody in Australia on his dinky little podcast. Hey,

1215
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: well say goodbye, fair but mate, thank you so much

1216
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: for taking the time out. I hope that old man

1217
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: injury of yours recovers quite quickly. You know it's an

1218
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: old man injury, right, I've been I've been told that

1219
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: several times, but.

1220
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: I think.

1221
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 6: I've put myself on like a media band. So this

1222
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 6: is the first time anyone's going to hear from me

1223
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 6: in about for the last three years.

1224
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: So oh wow, I think wow.

1225
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I fucking groundbreaking, but I'm groundbreaking.

1226
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: Nay, thank you so much. What time is it over there?

1227
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: It's one thirty five here in the thriving Metropolis PM.

1228
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 3: It's nine thirty five PM for me and eight thirty

1229
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 3: four Joe.

1230
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: All right, well say goodbye for the moment.

1231
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: But Joe and Renee, thank you so much for ben

1232
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: on you project, make good luck for the rest of

1233
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: the season, and I hope that body looks after you

1234
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: and appreciate you both.

1235
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: Thanks for having us, Thanks having