WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 19 June 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:07.400 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live, Happy Wednesday. 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:08.119 Lots to get to. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:12.719 Yes, obviously we'll talk about the major gamble or big 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.160 idea that Peter Duddon had today, Robin Bishop, Stephen Conroy, 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.760 they'll fight it out in a second. I'll tell you, well, 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.560 there seems to be more censoring of what people see 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.920 in Australia via Chinese social media sites. Now you saw 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.200 the protests in Canberra. That's not what some people were seeing. 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:31.840 On we chat. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.520 And obviously we'll talk about Biden staring off into space 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.160 and how apparently your eyes are lying when you see 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:41.960 that dude looking a little weird. But first, yeah, of 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.159 course it's winter, which means it's cold, but it is 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.240 a feels like single digits in Sydney, Melbourne and bruce 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:52.839 Ban as we speak now. Sub zero temperatures actually were 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:56.080 there in parts of country Queensland, and the expectation is 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.960 for the same tomorrow morning, and one of the coldest mornings, 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:00.960 if not the coldest morning of the year, was experienced 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.520 by Sydney and Melbourne. So I just wonder before we 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.880 get into anything else, to try to explain why is 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:11.880 this bit of winter particularly cold, and even the great 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.040 people of Queensland are feeling kind of like they live 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:15.720 in Melbourne. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:21.120 Why is it so cold now? A cold outbreak is 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.759 really impacting much of New South Wales, parts of Victoria 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.080 and Queensland this week and it has been aided by 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.440 very clear sky so that allows the best conditions for 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.000 frost reform, as we saw in the New South Wales 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.520 Blue Mountains this morning. And it also makes for quite 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.959 sunny afternoons, which means daytime temperatures have actually been quite 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.679 close to, if not a touch above average this week, 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.760 despite the very cold starts for millions. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.120 Thank you Allison for more information over on the Weather Channel. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.360 Check it out in between the stuff you normally watch 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.080 on the main channel here on Sky News via Foxtel, 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.760 Frederware or of course Flash or even the Sky News app, 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:00.400 which you can get right now for just five month 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.160 go to sky ONews dot com dot au. 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:03.440 Now let's get to it. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.320 How many times have you heard people say I wish 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.720 our politicians would come up with some idea that was 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.400 bigger than just getting elected at the next election, an 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.840 idea that wasn't just for the next budget or the 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.160 next year. Well, presumably that's part of the thinking behind 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.560 Peter Dutton going all in on nuclear as the ultimate 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:25.040 form of being able to guarantee our electricity supply. Now, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:30.600 as you know, previously that has been coal, gas and renewables. Well, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.800 as the opposition was saying today, there's still going to 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.440 be renewables. No one's suggesting that we're going to stop 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.440 building every single project, but certainly the speed with which 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:43.040 they're being rolled out and cutting through the landscape. Well, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.560 obviously that would change if the government does later this 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.840 year or early next year. Well, gas would also be 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.400 used as firming technology for about the next ten years 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.000 before we could get to the scenario of nuclear reactors. Now, 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.480 as you know, there have been multiple so which have 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.079 been announced. Now these sites are a little more specific, 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.840 but generally what we have always known, which is that 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.359 where there is an existing coal fire power station, most 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.280 of the plans in most of the states and most 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.760 of the private companies who own those sites, was to 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.640 turn the existing coal fire power station into generally speaking 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.480 a battery so that it would be able to hold 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.600 the energy which is being made by a grid made 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.880 up of renewables. But as you can see, the expectation 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.800 here is that all of those sites would be able 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.560 to service the national grid without having to rewire the 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.320 national grid. Now, let me explain as basically as I can, 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.360 but one of the problems with renewable energy is that 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.400 the wires don't quite work the same way as they 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.800 do when it comes to coal fire power. Essentially, a 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.320 one way stream of traffic is the only way that 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.640 that system works. One of the reasons they have to 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:00.480 rewire the nation is because the intermittent nature of the power, 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:05.680 the storing plus the firming plus the renewables means that 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.160 you need different types of wires at certain parts in 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.720 the network. That in and of itself adds hundreds of 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.360 billions of dollars to the overall transition from one system 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:19.960 to another. Now, as you know, there is immediate pushback 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.320 on this idea, but something that you have not heard 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.279 on all of the other shows that quite rightly have 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.560 been leading with it and talking about it tonight. Obviously 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.760 the premiers will they say no. And obviously they're not 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:37.000 unimportant here because most of the energy system, either the polls, 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.560 the wires or the generation has been sold off or 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:44.400 least they're private companies. This is not federal Land. Now, 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.040 obviously Peter Dutton may know something that the premiers don't. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.080 Otherwise why make the announcement but the premiers will They 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:54.800 all say no, including potential premiers like David Crucifoli and Queensland. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.720 We're not supporting nuclear power. I think our state laws 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:00.880 are pretty clear when it comes to PA. But whether 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:05.840 there's some overriding constitutional question that he can pursue, I 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.520 think that's a matter for Himm and he's the one 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.400 who's proposing the policy. But look how band stays in place. 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:12.479 We're not repealing it. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:18.000 Nuclear energy is toxic, it's risky, it's more expensive, and 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:22.159 it is decades and decades are why I am fine 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.440 with nuclear power as long as it doesn't make electricity 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:26.640 bills more expensive. 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:28.240 And what we know from. 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:32.840 Report after report is that in the Australian context it 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.400 will make power more expensive. 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.120 The South Australia question is particularly interesting because remember the 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.080 former Labor Premier Jay Weatherall Well, he was all in 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.159 on some form of venucular industry coming out of South Australia. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.640 If all of these sites don't happen, maybe South Australia 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:48.720 is one that's already done the work and you hear 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.600 the premier not as ardent as other premiers. For his part, 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:57.520 Repeter dun't explains why these are the places. These are 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.440 the locations where the future of our energy grid can 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.920 come from. The sites that we're looking at are only 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:09.320 those sites where there's an end of life coal fire POWERstation. Importantly, 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.760 one of the main reasons is that people in those 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.120 communities know that their jobs are going when coal goes, 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:20.160 and we have the ability to sustain heavy industry. Now, 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.880 like many, I understand the ballsy nature of this politically, 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.640 because the assumption is that the Australian people are somewhere 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.760 completely other than where Peter Dutton is. Except that's not 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.839 the actual evidence. If you trust the polls at all, 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:34.640 I'll go through them in a moment to give you 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:36.960 a wide swathe of opinion that all seems to be 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:42.680 pointing in Peter Dutton's direction. But interestingly, all but one 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:47.400 of the locations that are being suggested are all National 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.800 Party or Liberal seats. This is not a plan to 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.560 put these things inside hardcore labor seats. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:54.039 No. 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:58.840 In fact, in Queensland, both of the sites are LNP 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.760 one in the Hunter Valley of New South Wales, that 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.080 is a labor seat. The one in Lithgow is currently 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.120 an independent but formerly a National Party seat. The one 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.960 in Gippsland is in a Liberal National seat, sorry, a 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:18.760 National Party seat. Port Agusta again in the Blue and 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.880 Green column, and over in Western Australia again in a 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:27.560 seat that he already owns. So there must be some evidence, 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.200 some polling, some greater thinking that's happening here, because of 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.200 course you need to add to your seats at the 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.120 next election, not lose seats. And if you're willing to 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.320 come up with a policy like this and you haven't 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.400 listed a whole collection of labor seats but instead your 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.160 own seats with populations that, let's be honest, have all 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.880 had power generation around them for generations. And as the 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.440 models have been put in front of us, this concept 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:55.000 of some super scary piece of technology going in, well 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.920 it doesn't quite match up with firstly, how the rest 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:57.160 of the. 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:58.960 World largely gets its power. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.520 Certainly, one of the reasons why Europe is able to 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.640 have so many nations that turn around and say things 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.200 like renewable energy here, there and everywhere is because there 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.320 are other countries that are totally nuclear and they end 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:12.160 up being able to throw the extension cord over into 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.600 those countries. Places like the UK have an existing nuclear 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.600 industry and are in fact planning to extend it. Let's 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.640 not even start about the conversations that are happening in 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.880 Asia or the reality of what is of course taking 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:27.920 place with coal fire power right now in China. But again, 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.040 Peter Dutton making his case, the start of a case 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.240 that he thinks he's been making for a long time, 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.560 and certainly the Liberal Party has been flirting with for 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.199 a long time. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.600 But now it's all in again. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.200 How many times have we heard in politics why owned 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.400 politicians come up with an idea that's bigger than just 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.280 one term. Well, this is an idea that as well 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.640 and truly bigger than one term. This is a fork 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.880 in the road. Now we can go the way that 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.200 the current government's doing things, or we can go the 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.480 way that Peter Dutton is advocating today. Have a look, 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.559 if we want to set our country up for the future, 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.720 if we're going to bring those electricity prices down, if 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.760 we want to make a stable economy, and if we 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.920 want to grow that economy, and if we want to 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.160 grow jobs for generations to come our country must seize 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:16.240 this opportunity now now again. For the people who openly 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.480 think that this is political suicide, remember they were the 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.760 same people who thought exactly the same thing when it 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.120 came to Peter Dutton coming out against the Voice. That 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.840 was a time when public opinion was sixty forty against 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.640 his position. It ended up being sixty forty in favor 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.720 of his position. The scare campaign from the Labor Party 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:39.240 has begun, including from MPs in the Act that were 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.800 already pushing around not just the idea of the three 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.720 eyed fish from the Simpsons, but no, the three eyed 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.640 koala is apparently what is on its way towards Australia. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:52.760 This is about us silly, low brow, underhanded but the 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.559 issue they think is going to work in their way. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.320 The caption on this, by the way, from Andrew Lee 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.800 is this what Peter Dutton wants Blinky Bill to look 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:01.880 like in fifty years. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:03.520 So the idea is to live. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.120 Near these things means apparently radiation and you end up 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.240 growing the second head. As for the Prime Minister, he thinks, 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:10.920 thank goodness, he's now been bailed out of all of 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.319 his own problems because this idea is just that bad. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.520 It's fifteen years off, it's the most expensive form of 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:20.160 new energy, and they're saying that. 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:21.440 Taxpayers will fund it. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.840 Well, we'll wait and see the details of the announcement today, 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:30.440 but this makes no economic sense as well as leaving 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:35.080 us in a position of energy insecurity because of the 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:40.640 time that it will take to roll out a nuclear reactor. 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:43.440 Well, of course, if the nuclear actor was the only 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.240 thing in the power grid, then they would have a point, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.640 but it's not the renewables that currently exist. Some that 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.440 of course will continue to be built, but not at 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.599 the same scale, and then gas being used as a 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.760 mutual technology between the Labor Party and the Liberal Party 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.200 as the way to eventually get to the place that 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.520 will firm up either one hundred percent renewables by the 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:07.280 time they're built or the nuclear power plants. But again, 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.560 the conventional wisdom amongst the political class, and you may 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.040 will have heard a tinge of this today, is that 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.600 again this is some sort of political suicide. Peter Dutton 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.680 is not only ruining his chances to win seats, but 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.880 he may well end up blowing up half a dozen 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.040 seats that he already owns. The problem is that all 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.640 works on a false assumption, a false assumption that the 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.600 Australian populace. 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:31.600 Hates the idea. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:34.800 So let's go through a journey of the polls, all 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:40.800 of them dated this year. This pole came from the 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.880 Institute of Public Affairs. It says that fifty three percent 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:45.800 of people agree. Well, hang on, Paul, that's the Institute 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.960 of Public Affairs, two right wing. Have you got another one? Yes, 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:53.520 I do the Lowe Institute one where supposedly this is 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.880 down the middle, and there you get the best part 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:00.720 of sixty plus percent of people who either strongly or 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.200 somewhat support Well, hang on, that's not professional polling. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:05.679 That's just the thing that happens every now and then. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.760 Okay, what about the gold standard that we have got 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.520 rid of prime ministers on. That'd be the news pole, 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.319 And the News pole there says fifty five percent of 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:19.520 Australians support the concept of small modular nuclear reactors. Well, 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.560 of course that's just News Corp. They'd just be pushing 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.880 the Liberal party line. Well, okay, what about the essential 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:28.160 pole published in The Guardian. It can show you that 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.680 the opinion has changed from twenty nineteen, where just thirty 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.120 nine percent of people were in favor. That's the blue 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.400 line at the top. Forty four percent of people oppose 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.200 that's the red line in the middle. But as you 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.520 can see, the trend changed, and in fact things have 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.439 now warmed so much so that a clear majority fifty 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.880 two percent of people, even in the lefty pole published 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:53.320 in The Guardian, answered positively to the question to what 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.120 extent do you support or repose developing nuclear power plans 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.840 for generation of electricity? The blue is the positive, the 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:06.280 red is the no. Obviously, the don't know factor, which 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.880 even if one hundred percent of that made its way 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.959 over to the no column, and we all know when 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.480 it came to any result, you don't get one hundred 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.760 percent of unsure people moving over. Well, let's imagine if 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.040 it was half. Obviously yes starts to win by an 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.760 even bigger margin. But even if every single undersided person 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.559 sides with where the government is, where the establishment media 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.840 is today, there would still be a majority of Australians 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.160 that would support it. Well, hang on, pautially, there's just 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.120 you know, you're hiding some details here. 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.679 Okay, let's have a look. Let's find the most anti of. 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:42.040 This policy news organization, that being the Turnbull Times and 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.520 we'll get the ghost writing for them today. But as 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.640 you can see, fifty three percent of people eighteen to 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:53.199 thirty four support the idea of nuclear reactors for electricity 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:57.839 in Australia. People over the age of fifty five, again, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:03.160 fifty five percent of people supporting the area that is 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.640 under fifty percent, and only just the people between the 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.480 ages of thirty five to fifty four. Now, these people matter, 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:12.400 and certainly women thirty five to fifty four. They swing elections. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.240 They certainly swung the elections the way of the Teals. 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.640 Would this policy further harden the Teal position? Most probably? 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:25.640 So that's the evidence about the paths to political victory here. Now, 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.120 Peter Dunton must know something that some of these polls 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.320 don't or aren't telling us up front, because if he's 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.720 willing to bet half a dozen of his own electorates 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.800 on it, he knows that. From the right wing think 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.680 tank to the Guardian, every opinion poll that has been 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:46.960 published in major news outlets shows that Australians have changed 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.600 their view and Australians are now on board. Oh yeah, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.280 one last thing, by the way, in case you think 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.360 that it's only one particular part of the country that's 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.680 backing it in the people who support it are the 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.800 people who live in the city, so presumably that might 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.120 unlock some of that Teal vote, because of course it's 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.200 those inner city electorates in Sydney and Melbourne that are 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.000 currently Teal seats, and their margins aren't massive. By the way, 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:16.440 the suburbs is the least impressed, but that's forty nine 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:21.120 percent of people who support the peri urban or provincial areas. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:25.720 That of course way over fifty percent and even higher 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:30.960 in rural areas. Yet you can see the worldview that 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.240 comes immediately from the same people who were absolutely certain 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.240 that sixty forty yes in the referendum was the only 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.400 result that was ever going to happen, and anyone else 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:45.040 who thought it was pedaling misinformation or didn't understand. But remember, 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:50.000 the Australian people didn't care what the establishment, what the 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:54.480 big money, what the lobby groups had to say when 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.840 it came to that policy. Does that automatically mean that 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.360 nuclear energy ends up getting support. No, of course not, 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:04.160 but it's the obvious analogy during this particular political turn. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.120 But you will see plenty of this. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.720 In the coverage of those who automatically think this is 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.160 the dumbest idea they've ever heard in Australian politics, despite 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:17.000 it now having majority support of the Australian people. This 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.320 was one of the immediate smart ass cartoons that popped 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.800 up in the Sydney Morning Herald the age where now 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:26.680 he's Homer Simpson, which of course links us back to 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.640 the other image, which was what the Labour Party image 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.680 that looked like blinky Bill in front of the Springfield 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.800 Nuclear power plant. It's almost like they have just one 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.520 brain on the left, one form of reference, and they 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.800 think the only way to scare people about nuclear energy 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:46.720 is to mention the Simpsons will debate this big hot heart, 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.400 big idea for the future or gambling away his own 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.120 political future. Cannot wait to get to this with Stephen Conroy. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.480 Bromin Bishop, You've got the best seat in the house. 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.920 Turn up the TV and lean in because this one's 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.800 going to be fun. As you know, this week the 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.640 Reserve Bank made its decision to hold on to interest rates. Thankfully, 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.480 interest rates are not going up as somebody who is 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.880 trying to pay for a mortgage, like a solid third 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.159 of the country, or I would say two thirds of 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:15.600 the country if they're trying to pay off the investment 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.120 property as well. 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:18.600 The squeeze is so tight at. 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.720 The moment that, let's be honest, we actually feel like 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.400 we are and I say it every time right being 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.119 a purple So there is no relief. It is just 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.800 the same squeeze, the same python for yet another month, 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.919 a python that has got twelve times tighter under the 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:35.080 Albaneze government. And as you can see, they didn't even 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.520 discuss a rate drop yesterday. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:39.840 They actually considered a rate hike. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:41.920 Now. 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.120 This is despite the fact that there are plenty more 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.320 indications that, as we know, we're in a per capita 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:51.080 recession right now. But there are equally painful financial situations 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.919 that exist for many people around the country, people who 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.960 would not be able to afford any further increases. But 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.640 of course none of those people are the people who 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.440 run our country. As we first told you on Monday night, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.480 it made big news yesterday, but seems to repete it 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.800 out today because how could anyone focus on one thing 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.560 for longer than twenty four hours when there's the Simpsons 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.679 nuclear reactor thing and the Mister Burns and all of 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.679 that that's still needed to be done it's so easy. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:20.960 Everyone's seen the show, right, Well, of course they have. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:21.639 We love it. 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.919 Because of course our own prime minister, our own prime minister, 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.359 his own ministers, the opposition as well, and every backbencher 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.800 and every senator. They of course don't care about any 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.600 of this, and it doesn't matter whether their interest rates 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:35.119 go up. Why because of course they are getting their 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.760 third pay rise, third pay rise since this government came 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:40.160 to power. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:41.919 Oh but it's all completely independent. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.240 Well, of course they could do what the deusei whals 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:46.800 labor government did, which is to say no, we're not 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.520 interested wage freese, We're not going to accept these rises. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.680 They could do what the previous government did in twenty 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:52.760 one and say no, we're not. 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:53.880 Going to accept these rises. 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.520 But a little fact came out today, ironically from a 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:01.040 place that is supposedly pro labor. As we know, the 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.159 Prime Minister will be yet again jumping in the plane. 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.159 I think this might be one of the final runs 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.000 of the old jets before he gets to the new jets. 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:09.879 Oh sorry, he didn't order them. Morrison did, but he 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.879 didn't cancel them. So sorry, Yeah, he ordered the jets. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.440 He's okay with not one but two brand new planes. 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:17.280 He will be off to the White House again, this 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:22.440 time to go and celebrate NATO. But guess what our 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.159 prime minister will be paid more than the President of 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:28.080 the United States after this pay rise. The US president 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.800 earns less money than the Australian Prime minister. The source 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.280 of that information, by the way, is a website that 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:38.439 is paid for with union superannuation money. With friends like 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:43.000 these right now again, I would have expected that when 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:47.240 the Prime Minister was speaking to the media on Monday 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.560 they would have brought it up, but of course they didn't. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:55.159 On Tuesday, No they didn't. And today again in multiple 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.600 radio interviews with lots of friendly people, guess what question 0:19:58.680 --> 0:19:59.840 he was not asked? 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.679 So about that pay rise? Are you going to take it? 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:05.920 Or will you like the new Soupwel's Premier or Prime 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.440 Minister's before you say no thanks, we've already had too 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:09.680 this term. 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:11.119 And of course the reason. 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.200 This question didn't come up because there was more important 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:14.439 stuff to ask the Prime minister. 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:18.560 Apparently today rock clubsters has been on the agenda. 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.160 It hasn't It was on the menu, yes, of course 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:25.439 it was at lunch, just as a subtle layer of 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:31.000 pitching up for the impediments that are there for the 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:35.399 great rock lobsters that come from here in wa. 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.399 It is amazing to me that politicians pay is always 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.239 something that you know, the public cares about. Yeah, when 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:48.600 the blokes sitting directly opposite you is getting his third pay. 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:54.480 Rise since he became the prime minister, just forget about it. Now. 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.640 We'll eventually get a moment where the Prime Minister will 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:58.359 have to do a press conference. And let's hope that 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:00.920 someone anyone who's watching right now in the camp and 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.879 press gallery, perhaps throwing things at the camera like they 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:05.560