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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigall

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Speaker 1: people of the Eura Nation.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to a special summer edition of the

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Speaker 2: Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. I'm Joe Hildrand. But it's

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Speaker 2: not just Joe Hildebrand with you over the next few

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Speaker 2: weeks as we do a special retrospective of all the

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Speaker 2: biggest stories of the year. And this is a job

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Speaker 2: too big for one man to handle, and so I've

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Speaker 2: brought along someone very special. She's my sister from another mister,

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Speaker 2: my wife from another life, my lady who's a little

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Speaker 2: bit shady, Sarah Harris, and I.

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Speaker 3: Was going cheap, can I just say?

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Speaker 1: And somehow, somehow, somehow, I was invited onto your podcast,

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Speaker 1: which has become three separate episodes over summer.

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Speaker 3: But I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I adore you, Joe too. I like being back in

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Speaker 3: the broadcasting space with you.

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Speaker 2: I've engineered this entire cast in kaper just so the

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Speaker 2: two of us can get back together.

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Speaker 3: Oh is this our audition tape?

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Speaker 2: This is no, no, this is this is happening. This

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Speaker 2: is real. Oh, this is going to air right now.

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Speaker 2: People are listening to this, dozens of them, dozens.

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Speaker 3: Scores tens of people out.

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Speaker 2: Tens of people. Now, for those of you still listening, first,

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Speaker 2: the first thing I want to talk about is World

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Speaker 2: War III. I thought we'd just get the you know,

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Speaker 2: get the little stuff out of the way before we

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Speaker 2: get into the meatia stuff. But one of the things

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Speaker 2: I happen to notice about twenty twenty four is that

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Speaker 2: there are at least three points at which the world

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Speaker 2: could instantly come to an end. So we've got the

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Speaker 2: war in the Middle East, and you know, armageddon, that's

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Speaker 2: where it's meant to happen. You've got the war between

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Speaker 2: Russia and Ukraine. And I know you're a big Putin guy.

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Speaker 2: I know you love that guy's swagger.

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Speaker 1: Because I named my Russian hair piece Putin because I

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Speaker 1: like to be Putin on my hair piece.

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Speaker 3: It does not mean I am a Putin fan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, my mistake. Sorry, I must have misread the email.

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Speaker 2: And of course, the election of Donald Trump, the greatest

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Speaker 2: political comeback in history. What does this mean for global stability?

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Speaker 2: What does this mean for Jana? And so there's all

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Speaker 2: these points where the world could descend or ascend into

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Speaker 2: a global conflagration, and I thought we could just sort

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Speaker 2: of figure that all out. Stop that from happening. Maybe

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Speaker 2: send Vlad your mate a little Christmas card and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: take a breath, take a seat.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's the festive season, so let's start at Defcon five.

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Speaker 1: I'm really worried about this whole situation. Everything at the

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Speaker 1: moment feels really ephemeral, Like I wondered if this is

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Speaker 1: how actually do you remember about two years ago of

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Speaker 1: my depression. I said to you, Joe, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: write a memoir, and your reaction was, how does it end?

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Speaker 1: I don't know how this is going to end. I

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Speaker 1: genuinely don't know. I mean, the Middle East scenario that

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Speaker 3: Bad to worse.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether Assad's collapse in Syria is going

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Speaker 2: Wors four possible flashballs right.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, you know who knows. I So you

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Speaker 1: like to say, you like to say that we're going

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Speaker 1: to Hell in a hand bask. Yes, well, I've brought

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Speaker 2: We're going to Hell in a hand basket, not Hell

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Speaker 2: in a tote bag.

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Speaker 1: No, well, I brought some moonwater along because I think

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Speaker 3: Hell is going to go on.

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Speaker 2: The magic apl the magic Aateball. Remember we had that

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Speaker 2: idea for doing a podcast, you and me where it

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Speaker 2: That is not this podcast, okay, but listen, it's a

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Speaker 3: The thing that worries me, Okay.

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Speaker 2: It was going to be a cultural centers, tolerant towards Christians.

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Speaker 3: That's it, that's it, Den Brandelina.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. So the problem with the

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Speaker 2: The result of that has been that you need a

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Speaker 2: But once they go, do you just get someone even worse?

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Speaker 3: That's right, I mean it.

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Speaker 1: When the Taliban was elected back in the nineties, I

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Speaker 2: They won it fair and square.

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Speaker 1: But they were celebrated because they cut the top of

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Speaker 2: That's right. Well, the Taliban back. The Taliban were backed

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Speaker 2: So that was Saddam. That was also basically assad in

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Speaker 1: Where they go, what about the new mob that's probably

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Speaker 3: They are, well al Qaeda is.

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Speaker 2: About al Qaeda and ISIS, and they don't like Iran,

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Speaker 2: And this is actually what happened. All these Arab Spring

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Speaker 3: And then you look at the Russian situation.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because you're just saying that in a

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Speaker 3: I've got Ukrainian.

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Speaker 2: Ukraine poke the bear.

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Speaker 1: I've got Ukrainian friends who've said, look, you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, we can't understand that, you

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Speaker 2: That's right, And I think and again it comes down

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Speaker 2: obviously after World War Two, Stalin got to take all

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Speaker 2: Because Iran was concentrating on Israel, supported by the West.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a good feeling about Trump? I mean,

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Speaker 3: Do you have of hopes that he can do that?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what, Sarah, I do have a good

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Speaker 1: And I did you have a good about Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: But in this regard, I mean, is it beyond solving?

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Speaker 2: I do not think it is beyond solving, but I

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Speaker 2: I think we should talk about this next week on

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Speaker 2: Can we just put the do you think you have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so hang on twenty twenty five, will we be

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Speaker 3: You may rely on it.

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Speaker 2: What a way to go?

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Speaker 3: I want to go in helves in one of those

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Speaker 2: All right, well, look, I think we've successfully solved all

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Speaker 2: you out. And of course you can catch me in

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Speaker 2: every Monday and Saturday until then, see you next week.