1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fear and Greed Q and all. We ask 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: and answer questions about business, investing, economics, politics, and more. 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm Sean Almer. January twenty Today, mark's one year since 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump was inaugurated for a second time as 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: a US president, and it's hard to imagine a more 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: eventful twelve months. Doctor Charles Miller is a senior lecturer 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: at the A and U School of Politics and International Relations. Charles, 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: welcome back to Fear and Greed. 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Has he got a past mark? Charles? Has he got 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: a past mark? 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: I would like to be as balanced as they possibly can, 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: but no, I think he's on track for being, to 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: be honest, one of the worst presidents of the American history, 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: probably the worst. 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: Okay, let's start on what he has achieved. So it's 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: very easy to pile on to Donald Trump, and I 18 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: don't even want to do that. He has had some achievements, 19 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: certainly been the share market that's at a record high 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: in the US. It must be a lot of investors 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: happy about that. What do you think he has done well? 22 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 2: I mean, so, yeah, it's true. You know, the stock 23 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: market is doing well in the United States, but it's 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: really difficult to say to what extent that actually has 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: anything to do with who's in the White House and 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: what they're doing. I think that's largely got to do 27 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: with American businesses, American companies, American workers, how well they're doing, 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: especially AI. So it's not really clear to me how 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: much you can really give Trump the credit for that. 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: And then noted by the way that most other developed 31 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: world stock markets are actually out performing the US stock 32 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: market just now, So again that does seem to suggest that, 33 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: you know, giving Trump credit for that specifically is a 34 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: bit a bit difficult to do in terms of the achievements. 35 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: I mean, one you could say, I mean, the operation 36 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: to capture Maduro was very very well executed, but again 37 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: it's difficult to say, you know, to what extent is 38 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: that Trump, and to what extent is that the US 39 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: military plus US services, and possibly the fact that they 40 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: most likely had someone on the inside in Venezuela helping them. 41 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: That's the operation as opposed to the decision to take 42 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: the Venezuelan president. 43 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, the operation, yeah, exactly. I mean, what's actually the 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: aftermath of that, however, is a little bit different. There 45 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: doesn't seem to have been very much thought put into it. 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: I think that the assumption probably was that when Rodriguez 47 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: took over that she would do more or less what 48 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: Trump said. Perhaps in advance she even gave the Americans 49 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: the impression that that's what would happen. But it doesn't 50 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: look like that's what's actually going to happen. So now 51 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: the United States either has to basically accept that the 52 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: sort of Chavista regime in Venezuela is still in place, 53 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: or are they're going to have to do something more 54 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: actually put boots on the ground or do something more 55 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: dramatically what they've done so far in order to kind 56 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: of get Venezuela to go their way, And that's going 57 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: to be much more difficult than just simply taking out 58 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: the Duro. 59 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: I want to come back to the achievements. But just 60 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: while we're on Venezuela, I kind of thought that the 61 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: Micro America Great Movement Donald Trump, it was kind of 62 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: more isolationist. It wasn't about America being the world's cop 63 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: though that seems to fly directly in the face of 64 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: that idea. 65 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I've never really thought that Donald Trump 66 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: is an isolationist, So what scholars of international of sorry 67 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: of American foreign policy, history, American policy do is they 68 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: will sort of divide American presidence into number of different categories. 69 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: And an isolationist, as we call it, is what some 70 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: people call it Jeffersonian. So basically, somebody thinks knighted state 71 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: should keep out of the rest of the world, at 72 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: least in terms of military and diplomatic affairs. But what 73 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: Trump really is is more what the same scholars would 74 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: call it Jacksonian. So what that means is that the 75 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: United States does occasionally get involved militarily in the rest 76 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: of the world, but it does so purely and simply 77 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: for its own interest, not in order to promote democracy 78 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 2: or to stick up for alliances and so on. So 79 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: I think that that's more what he is, and I 80 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: think that what that shows is really the priority that 81 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: the United States is putting on the Western hemisphere as 82 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: opposed to anywhere else in the world, Asia, Pacific, the 83 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: Middle East, or Europe. So I wasn't terribly surprised about 84 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: bout what he did in Venezuela, to be honest. 85 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: Okay, what about Greenland? But how do you read that? 86 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, again, it's related to the idea of 87 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: domination over the Western hemisphere. But I mean many many 88 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: people have said this before. Everything that the United States 89 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: or that Donald Trump says he wants to get out 90 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: of Greenland, he can already get by simply asking Denmark, 91 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: whether it be putting troops there, extracting rare earths, and 92 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: so on. So it's very difficult for me to really 93 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: say just exactly what's going on here. Sometimes as an 94 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: analyst of international politics, you just have to say that 95 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: that leaders will sometimes just do things that are a 96 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: little bit wacky for reasons that are best known to themselves. 97 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: Yes, I won't get back to the achievement. Are there 98 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: any others? I mean, the other one that comes to 99 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: mind is Gaza actually achieving the swap. There are prisoners 100 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: and peace side of speake, I mean, onside that inverted 101 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: commons of course, is that an achievement? 102 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I think Gaza is probably I 103 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: would say the closest thing that I could call an 104 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: achievement that the Trump has done in the last year 105 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: or so. It involved obviously putting a certain amount of 106 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: pressure on the Israelis, which is something that Biden had 107 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 2: not been willing to do. It also involved, obviously, you know, 108 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: putting a lot of worse of leverage Mass. I mean, 109 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: obviously the problem of the problems of Gaza have been 110 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: have not gone away, and there's no solution as yet, 111 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: doesn't look close to a solution. The ceasefire that exists 112 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: now could break down at some point in the future, 113 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: but for now, you know, you have to give him 114 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: credit for least ending the fighting, because that was a 115 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: truly disastrous and humanitarian catastrophe, So you should get some 116 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: credit for that. What I would also say is, you know, 117 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: we often hear that, you know, his his behavior towards allies, 118 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: the tariffs, his attitude towards Russia as well, for example, 119 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 2: and that these things are going to cause America's allies 120 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: to desert and to move away and to reduce their 121 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: leverage on the United States. And certainly I would advise 122 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: them to do that. But the thing is that for 123 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: a lot of America's allies, it's actually very very easy 124 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: just to kind of keep your fingers crossed, kiss up 125 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: to Trump and wait until somebody else is in the 126 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: White House, because the actual costs of really delinking yourself 127 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: from the American kind of security umbrella and American economic 128 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: kind of hegemony are really really high, and you know, 129 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: politicians looking out for the next election cycle are often 130 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: really unwilling to undertake those costs unless they absolutely have to. 131 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: So actually Trump has been able to do a lot 132 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: of things, a lot of leverage without facing that much blowback. Yet. 133 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so following that line of thought, externally, what has 134 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: been the biggest disaster? What's been the things that you 135 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: think will last will after twenty twenty when he's twenty 136 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: twenty nine, when he's out of power, what are the 137 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: things externally? And then I'm going to ask you the 138 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: same things internally that you were most worried about. 139 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's a stiff competition for that to become. This 140 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: is one will taken off a lot longer. I think 141 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: the Liberation Day tariffs could very well be one of them. 142 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: So not only it's not just about putting on tariff. 143 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: So I mean, if you had a regime in which 144 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: you know, there was a stable, predictable region in which 145 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: the average level of tariffs higher businesses you could adapt to. 146 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: That wouldn't be great, it wouldn't be as good as 147 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: what existed before, but at least you'll be able to adapt. 148 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: But when the tariffs are going up and going down, 149 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: and they're set for different countries for reasons that are 150 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: pretty obscure, that's when it becomes really difficult for businesses 151 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: to invest. And that's when you get the real, the 152 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: real economic damage. Plus you know, you have the fact 153 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: then that countries will start to cut themselves out and 154 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: d risk and you know, cut out of the American system. 155 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: Like said, it hasn't happened yet, but keeps going for 156 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: three years, then I think, you know, even the most 157 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: short sighted politician is going to realize they'll have to 158 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: do something about it. So that's one. The second one 159 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: I think is related to Trump's kind of national security moves, 160 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: and here I'm not sure which is worse in Greenland 161 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: or Ukraine. It kind of depends whether he actually does 162 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: anything about Greenland. I think if he did, you know, 163 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: this would be something that could prove in the long 164 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: run to be genuinely catastrophic because what it shows is 165 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 2: the United States is going to basically attack other countries 166 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: for no reason other than that once the resources, no 167 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: pretense of a real cost as belly, no pretense that 168 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: there's any kind of oppression going on. There just purely 169 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: and simply the one Kreenland for its resources that creates 170 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: a terrible press that other countries can use. Ukraine is 171 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: pretty bad as well. I mean, if he were to 172 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 2: cut off entirely, I mean, even what he's already done 173 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: is to reduce the amount of American support for Ukraine 174 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: quite a lot. And again that sets a precedent because 175 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 2: you know, it helps to allow Russia to benefit from 176 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 2: having invaded a sovereign state, and it may go further. 177 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: You know, if Russia wins in the Ukraine, then they may 178 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: will go further west, and that could result in an 179 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: even more catastrophic war than the one that exists just now. 180 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: So I would say in international relations, it really kind 181 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: of depends. We'll see, maybe over the next year or so, 182 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: which of the two things, the security or the trade aspect, 183 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: has been more damaging. 184 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: And just very briefly, internally, what do you think has 185 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: been his worst policy? 186 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: Again, stiff competition, I mean, I think trying to I mean, 187 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: this one really is more partly related to the international 188 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: realm as well as the domestic realm. But I think 189 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: that the charging or attempting to investigate Jerome Piell the 190 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: chairman of the Federal Reserve is a catastrophically bad decision. 191 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: And because, as most of your listeners will know, the 192 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: independence of the Federal Reserve is a crucial cornerstone of 193 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: the global financial system and the American domestic financial system. 194 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: If you start messing with that, then things are going 195 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: to go very, very badly wrong in economics and business 196 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: and also in a whole bunch of other things downstreams. 197 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: So that's the disaster. And then there is ice. And 198 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: I mean, you know that what we've seen in terms 199 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: of the human rights abuses that they've committed, the shooting 200 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: of Renee Good and so on. Again, that's undermining the 201 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 2: legal and constitutional infrastructure that American democracy is depended on. Again, 202 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: we may not see the worst consequences of the Trump 203 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: administration this year or next year, or even while he's 204 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: still president, but for years and decades to come, I 205 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: think the damage domestically and internationally will be huge. 206 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: Just before we sign off, Charles, is it going to 207 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: get better? I mean that our first twelve months he 208 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: brought energy to the presidency. PEPSI put it that way. 209 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: He until the midterms, he still has unlists the Supreme 210 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: Court in coming waits start dampening his power. He still 211 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: seems to have fairly, I mean a fair bit of power. 212 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: Will the midtimes change things? Does this mean that this 213 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: year we're in for another rough run and the next 214 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: couple will be calmer, or how do you say it? 215 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I think there's a number of 216 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: ways in which could get better. So, for one, the 217 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: Supreme Court could take his tariff weapon off him. So 218 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: tariffs are supposedly supposed to be sent by the set 219 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: by the Congress, except in exceptional circumstances. Trump is setting 220 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: these tariffs and claiming that there are exceptional circumstances. But 221 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: obviously you can't just say that otherwise do it all 222 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: the time. So if the Supreme Court, I think interprets 223 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: the Constitution correctly, they will take the tariff weapon off him, 224 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: which will actually limit a lot of the economic damage 225 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: that he's done. So I think things will get better 226 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: in that respect. Also, if the Democrats when the House, 227 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: which is likely to happen to, that will set certain 228 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: limits on his powers and also mean that he will 229 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: probably be facing an awful lot of congressional investigations which 230 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: will take away time and attention from his ability to 231 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: do damaging things and other places too. I think ultimately, 232 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: in some ways, maybe as long as things don't get 233 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: catastrophically bad, it might be the best thing that Trump 234 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: just makes a messive things for the next few years, 235 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: so that whoever succeeds him is basically very very different 236 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: to him in terms of the overall ideology and approach. 237 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: Charles, thanks for talking to hearing great, You're welcome. 238 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. 239 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: Then was doctor Charles Miller, Senior lecturer at the ANU 240 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: School of Politics and International Relations. I'm suan Ilma and 241 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: this is the fear and Greek Q and a