WEBVTT - Inside Kyle and Jackie O’s $200m bust-up

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Thursday, March five, twenty twenty six. Organizers of the

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<v Speaker 1>women's soccer Asian Cup have refused to explain why an

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian Australian journalist was removed from a Gold Coast stadium

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<v Speaker 1>South Korea. The Melbourne Underworld crime figure Mitghatto is under

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<v Speaker 1>investigation by a Commission of Inquiry into the CFMU. That's

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<v Speaker 1>after he was linked to a traffic company operating on

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<v Speaker 1>the Gold Coast. The Australian's got unrivaled coverage of domestic

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<v Speaker 1>expert analysts here at home. Check us out at the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian dot com dot au. It's the massive media bust

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<v Speaker 1>up almost three decades in the making, the acrimonious end

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<v Speaker 1>of radio behemoth The Kyl and Jackie Oh Show. But

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<v Speaker 1>who's in the wrong and is there still space for

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<v Speaker 1>stars like Carl sanderlans and Jackie Henderson in cash strapped

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<v Speaker 1>Australian media landscape. The Australians Media Diary editor Steve Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>joins me in just a moment. Steve Jackson is The

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<v Speaker 1>Australian's Media Diary editor. Jacko, I've taken the liberty of

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<v Speaker 1>doing your stars for today.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I hope you haven't been focusing on it too

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<v Speaker 2>much because they can lead to an almighty blow up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually very interesting as a Sagittarius, you are seeing

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<v Speaker 1>long term projects finally come together.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, as I said, fascinating, fascinating, But I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if this comes to the detriment of everything else on

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Claik It's time for diligence in career and finances requiring patients, Jacko,

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<v Speaker 1>as efforts begin to bear for it, focus on maintaining

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<v Speaker 1>emotional maturity in relations and ships. You can't argue with

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<v Speaker 1>this is a science.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, everyone in here has been talking about your star science,

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<v Speaker 2>your obsession.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. The blow up between Coyle and Jackie Oh was

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<v Speaker 1>partly about horoscopes. The two titans of the Australian FM

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<v Speaker 1>radio scene, probably the highest earning FM radio stars Australia

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<v Speaker 1>has ever seen. In the middle of a two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar deal have broken up and it was all

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<v Speaker 1>about this fight. I'm going to play a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of the fight that they had about horoscopes. So JACKIEO

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<v Speaker 1>would have been able to see this coming.

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<v Speaker 2>JACKO, well, she would have read it in the stars.

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<v Speaker 1>You're off with the fairies where no, no, no, tell

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<v Speaker 1>me where I've been off with the fairies during the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to have to prove excuse of something.

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<v Speaker 3>Listeners to the program, you'll hear yourself. Just give me

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<v Speaker 3>to be aware of what's really going on.

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<v Speaker 1>M Kyle that I totally am offended by you saying something.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad if you are, because that's the reality of what

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<v Speaker 2>we're dealing with here.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so unfair. I have been in here, so

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<v Speaker 1>as that conversation goes on here can't do what he's

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<v Speaker 1>done a million times on that show, which is do

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of real time feedback to Jackie. She does

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<v Speaker 1>it to him all the time as well. She's called

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<v Speaker 1>him fat on air before, she's called him crazy. She

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<v Speaker 1>generally reacts to him raising some sort of topic of

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<v Speaker 1>sex with her like, oh, Kyle. But here she's really upset,

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<v Speaker 1>and it turns out that this wasn't just an act.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's the thing is And I think even

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<v Speaker 2>after this initially went to where people were questioning, is

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<v Speaker 2>this a stunt? Is this something to get people talking?

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<v Speaker 2>We know they've been trailing in Melbourne? Is this something

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<v Speaker 2>to get people interested? Everyone's talking about it. Even this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still getting messages from people, go, this is all

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<v Speaker 2>an elaborate stunt. It's not. And I think we could

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<v Speaker 2>tell that the moment that that show was turned into

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<v Speaker 2>a full episode podcast by aarn for the KISSFM podcast channel,

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<v Speaker 2>that that ten minutes was cut entirely. That wasn't cut

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<v Speaker 2>out as a you know, the bust up between our

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<v Speaker 2>top rating stars. It was quite obviously from the moment

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<v Speaker 2>they came off air, this is going to be a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>These two have been pinned by the regulator. They have

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<v Speaker 1>been fined, they have been ordered off air for the

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<v Speaker 1>things that they have said on air. Why do you think,

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<v Speaker 1>after twenty seven years of this partnership, Jackie Henderson, Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>O has chosen now to be sick of Kyle, to

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<v Speaker 1>be sick of what he's doing to her.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's an evolution. They've been working together

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<v Speaker 2>since nineteen ninety nine, twenty seven years But you think

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<v Speaker 2>about the people we were two decades twenty seven years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>You evolve, right, and she's quite clearly evolved. She's had

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<v Speaker 2>some momentous life changing moments. He's moved to America, lived

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<v Speaker 2>in La moved back, married, divorced, remarried, become a father.

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<v Speaker 2>So they are different people now. Kyle is still doing

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<v Speaker 2>the very successful stick from twenty years ago, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>crude in your face, this is what attracts headlines. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you believe he said it? Whereas Jackie has evolved as

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<v Speaker 2>a person and she knows no longer wants to be

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<v Speaker 2>the hapless sidekick going, oh, Kyle rein it in, which

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<v Speaker 2>has been a role for a large part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>She's been the good girl and he's been the bad guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the straight man routine. But she's become the

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<v Speaker 2>highest paid woman in the Australian media industry as part

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<v Speaker 2>of this deal until they tore it up this week,

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<v Speaker 2>and she no longer wanted to just be the foil,

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<v Speaker 2>play second fiddle and just be the person being abused

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<v Speaker 2>by Kyle because that's the show, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they had some amazing chemistry as part of all

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<v Speaker 1>of that and one of the things about the business

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<v Speaker 1>model was that you were prepared to listen to. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to listen this morning and there were fifteen ads

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<v Speaker 1>played at eight twenty fifteen, fifteen second ads for things

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<v Speaker 1>like dog food and sofas. I'm happy to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen ads if what I'm going to get at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the ad break is not for old Smallsey

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<v Speaker 1>who's hosting the show in their absence, but Kyle potentially

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<v Speaker 1>saying the sea World, potentially starting a fight with a

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood star, potentially berating Jackie. The danger and drama of

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<v Speaker 1>that radio format is what has made it successful. As

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<v Speaker 1>a businesswoman, though, and Jackie is the part owner of

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<v Speaker 1>this business, it's intriguing that she had a red line

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<v Speaker 1>and that he's now crossed it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really interesting thing because if we have our

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<v Speaker 2>differences here, and we've probably had some over the years. Claire,

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<v Speaker 2>I know I've pitched one of your stories before it

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<v Speaker 2>was ready on the news list, and I'm over that.

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<v Speaker 2>You can let it and there are words exchanged, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't play out in front of the public, and

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<v Speaker 2>quite often what their exchanges are, they are usually funny,

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<v Speaker 2>whimsical and everyone's in on the joke. This time he

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<v Speaker 2>has attacked her professionalism in a way that even if

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of go yes, she is off with the

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<v Speaker 2>fairies with the star signs, which some people will think,

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<v Speaker 2>other people go no, no, this is a very serious science.

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<v Speaker 2>But wasn't an appropriate time to do that? Probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a thing about jokey banter with colleagues. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it stops becoming a joke when only one side of

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<v Speaker 2>it's finding it funny.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a listally in a pretty vulnerable place. She has

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<v Speaker 1>spoken in the past few years about overcoming a prescription

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<v Speaker 1>medication addiction an alcohol problem. She went to the Betty

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<v Speaker 1>Ford Clinic. She came back and had this very sort

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<v Speaker 1>of spectacular glow up and is now positioning herself I

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<v Speaker 1>think in the Gwyneth Paltrow mold as a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a wellness influencer. She started a podcast with her best

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<v Speaker 1>friend Jemma O'Neill, who is also her manager and a

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<v Speaker 1>very formidable broadcast identity in her own right. She's a

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes player who's very savvy. They had a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast called Her Best Life in which they talked about relationships, sex,

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<v Speaker 1>but they talked a lot about horoscopes as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's part of the evolution of the Australian woman. Horoscopes

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<v Speaker 1>are huge with not only really young women in their twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>but the midlife woman who's maybe she's got divorced, she's

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<v Speaker 1>sick of the toxic guy who sits next her at work,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's all about you know, as they pronounce it,

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<v Speaker 1>uranus rising in sagittarius.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, well, I think it's quite interesting because she's talked

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<v Speaker 2>openly about what her aspirations were with this show. She

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<v Speaker 2>got the two hundred million dollar deal. Obviously that's not

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<v Speaker 2>all her money, it's about one hundred million each for

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle and Jackie. What she wanted to do at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of it, she wanted to use that money to

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<v Speaker 2>live in Australia six months, live six months in Italy.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you want to join me, So what you're saying,

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<v Speaker 3>after this ten year deals up, that's it for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably how long have you had this particular dream?

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<v Speaker 3>Jackie forget her dream. The shock here is I got

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<v Speaker 3>nine years left with her. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>We should save the audition for the replacement because I

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<v Speaker 3>plan on dying on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so, it's very much. She's ad a eat prey

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<v Speaker 2>love time of their life, as you say, the star

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<v Speaker 2>signs or the horoscopes, a lot of new age beliefs.

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<v Speaker 2>She's admitted that she has moved into a more woke

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<v Speaker 2>space given her belief while Kyle is very much you

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<v Speaker 2>know Donald Trump. And that's all good for a show

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<v Speaker 2>like you Want. No one is more bored by people

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<v Speaker 2>arguing in furious agreement about how much they concur on stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is is that it does get personal at times.

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<v Speaker 2>Where as you say, she's gone through all these emotional

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<v Speaker 2>milestones and she comes back and Kyle quite uptenly says

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<v Speaker 2>on the radio show, oh yeah, I didn't read your book.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care about that, like I don't. And we

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<v Speaker 2>know people who've written books. You don't always want to

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<v Speaker 2>read them. You've got a glance at them at the

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<v Speaker 2>very least look at yeah, but you like it's someone

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<v Speaker 2>like that is a labor of love writing a book

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<v Speaker 2>and from a friend to go, ah, didn't read it,

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<v Speaker 2>have no intention of reading it. I don't care. You

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<v Speaker 2>can think given their persona, she's too resilient to worry

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<v Speaker 2>about it. No, that's a hurtful thing. If I write

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<v Speaker 2>a book, you better be reading.

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<v Speaker 1>It as a business person. Tho style is right, isn't he?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is not good radio to hear someone

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<v Speaker 1>talking about as she was in that moment Andrew mount

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<v Speaker 1>Batten Windsor's Stars and whether that was he was facing

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<v Speaker 1>so much difficulty right now. I mean he delivered it

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<v Speaker 1>very poorly, and in twenty twenty six, you know that's

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<v Speaker 1>not the way you give feedback. But he's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether or not he's right, do you reckon he should

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<v Speaker 2>have said it then and there, like you said.

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<v Speaker 1>It made good radio. I mean that has been their

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<v Speaker 1>business model in the past. I think it was quite

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable for him to expect that she would fire back,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least that it would be maybe at awkward moment,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of outrage from her. They're both also

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable in a business sense. Their foray into Melbourne was

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<v Speaker 1>an absolute catastrophe. The penis and vagina repartee didn't work

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<v Speaker 1>with Melbourne's audience, who were much more into you know

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<v Speaker 1>what's happened to the piccolo lately. So that's a businessman

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<v Speaker 1>under pressure arguing with his business partner, or a woman

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<v Speaker 1>who's also under her own kind of pressure, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he would have a defense if this went

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<v Speaker 1>to court that he could have quite reasonably expected that

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<v Speaker 1>she would ride that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, you are right. Kind of stop agreeing with me,

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<v Speaker 2>jack You've kind of changed my mind on that because

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right. Because, let's face it, if they

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<v Speaker 2>try to terminate Kyle's contract, there is every chance this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to go to court. Like we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>ninety million dollars worth of employment for the next nine years.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to fight to keep that and say, as

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<v Speaker 2>you point out, here are fifty thousand examples of where

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<v Speaker 2>I've made comments like this in the past, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>part of the joke and it's part of the chemistry.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you're probably right that he would have expected. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is our banter, this is what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up why the Kyl and Jackie oshow doesn't work

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<v Speaker 1>like it used to. So they've given Kyle fourteen days

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<v Speaker 1>to remedy what they say a serious misconduct. Jackie OO

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<v Speaker 1>is saying in a statement released by the company that

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<v Speaker 1>she can't work with him anymore. That seems pretty definitive.

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<v Speaker 1>They've said they've offered her another show. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to unpack there. Firstly, would anyone listen to the JACKIEO Show?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that aarn is in a real spot of

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<v Speaker 2>bother I don't think that there is a commercial market

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<v Speaker 2>for a Jackieo's show by herself. I don't think there

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<v Speaker 2>is a particularly strong commercial market for a JACKIEO show

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<v Speaker 2>with a different co host unfortunately. And I get that

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<v Speaker 2>she has been the highest paid woman in media, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think there is an appetite for that outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the Kyle and JACKIEO Show for a major commercial, mainstream audience. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast has done quite well, but as you say,

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<v Speaker 2>that is a very niche specific audience that she's talking to.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether or not Kyle would work without jack I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I can see it being a passing parade of different hosts,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'd actually got to say, I can't even see

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<v Speaker 2>him staying there without her. So it's really difficult. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're also seeing it's in this era where they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to nationalize shows to make them more broadly economical. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't work outside the Sydney market in commercial television sixty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes Spotlight at seven. They're loath to do stories around

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle and Jackio because they don't work. It's been this

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<v Speaker 2>long known thing. Kyle doesn't work in other markets.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie has been papped coming out of a sound healing

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<v Speaker 1>session with a full face of makeup and a blow drawer.

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed, So she's obviously getting on with life. Kyle's

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<v Speaker 1>got these fourteen days to patch up the relationship. If

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<v Speaker 1>that's what Ira and thinks can actually happen. Why have

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<v Speaker 1>they said this fourteen day period? Is that? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid him seeing them?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that this is a legal hurdle. They

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<v Speaker 2>have to give him the opportunity to show cause as

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<v Speaker 2>to why it wasn't serious misconduct. And I think you've

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<v Speaker 2>hit the nail on the head as to what his

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<v Speaker 2>argument's going to be. But they've got to give him

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<v Speaker 2>this opportunity legally. But I think the second Jackie Henderson

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<v Speaker 2>said that she did not feel safe in the workplace

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<v Speaker 2>with Kyle is this is a whole different level. When

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<v Speaker 2>you say you don't feel safe in the workplace with someone,

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't a personal blop. This is irreparable. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>very serious accusation to level against someone. Everything that implies

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<v Speaker 2>is quite serious, and I don't think Kyle saw it

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<v Speaker 2>coming to this, obviously with his updates on air in

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<v Speaker 2>the days after the blop, and I think most people

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<v Speaker 2>outside of it and we heard it, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there were people saying, you know, this is where it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to go, and now that's all very serious. I

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<v Speaker 2>predicted on Monday for ninety million dollars each, these guys

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be back, Like, you know, that amount

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<v Speaker 2>of money can mend a lot of wounds. Obviously, you

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<v Speaker 2>know she's prepared to forfeit those riches because she's at

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<v Speaker 2>a stage of the life where she isn't prepared to be.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not going to take it anymore. I mean she's

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<v Speaker 1>had enough, yeah, and fair enough. I don't blame her

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<v Speaker 1>either that it was a distressing Listen that tirade that

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<v Speaker 1>he went on.

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<v Speaker 2>If someone spoke to you like that in the workplace,

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<v Speaker 2>how would you react.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think what you heard there was two quite

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<v Speaker 1>empowered people. He went on a rant. We've all been

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<v Speaker 1>a victim of Rance. If you're the less powerful person,

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<v Speaker 1>you just submit to the rant and you go, yeah, okay, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>and you go away and cry in the toilets. She

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<v Speaker 1>remained in the moment. She didn't change the subject. She

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<v Speaker 1>kept arguing it out with him, which is very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of stars, and I'm sorry to keep bringing it

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<v Speaker 1>back to this, Jacko. In the past five years and

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<v Speaker 1>this is still happening, we're seeing some stars go out

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<v Speaker 1>in the firmament of Australian broadcast. So we've seen the

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<v Speaker 1>disappearance of John Law's, Alan Jones, Ray Hadley from the

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<v Speaker 1>air waves. You've reported on Karl Steffanovic's time being pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much up at nine. He's got one year left on

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<v Speaker 1>his contract and he says he doesn't know what's left

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<v Speaker 1>now now potentially Carl Sandalans and Jackie O disappearing. What

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<v Speaker 1>is happening here? Is this the end of big money

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<v Speaker 1>and big stars in broadcast?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think yes, I think it definitely is. But

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<v Speaker 2>to your point about whether or not you'd accept it,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's quite interesting, right, Like if I get

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<v Speaker 2>berated like that in the newsroom by say the host

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<v Speaker 2>of the front saying I haven't done my research before

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<v Speaker 2>coming on. We've all felt like this. We've all gone

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<v Speaker 2>back to a desk and gone I want to quit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so close. I'm going to tell them more and

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<v Speaker 2>they'll go home and you have a beer with a maid,

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<v Speaker 2>or talk to your partner and go, I'm so close,

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately for most of us mortgage rant kids, and you go,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, I've got it. But when you're independently wealthy

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<v Speaker 2>or financially stable, as both of these people are, like Jackie,

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<v Speaker 2>why have I got to take this? You know, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be great to have all this extra money. But

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<v Speaker 2>she's already well off. She's already bought a home, she's

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<v Speaker 2>building another mansion. She doesn't need to copy it. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's that f you moment that everyone else feels and

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<v Speaker 2>for her goes, oh, I can say.

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<v Speaker 1>It is it also then about employers and the broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>companies just going actually, we've had enough of your drama.

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<v Speaker 1>To the stars. Yeah, we're not prepared to put up

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<v Speaker 1>with it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Grow over it. Well, I think it comes back to

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<v Speaker 2>a market value, and we're going to see that at

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<v Speaker 2>nine Radio now that it's been brought by the Laundies,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's greats being brought by a billionaire, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a private company. But they're businessmen, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing more and more the media taken over by

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<v Speaker 2>people who aren't in it just because they love media.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also being treated very financially as a business and

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<v Speaker 2>the money isn't there that used to be. So we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see it at nine Radio, all their hosts, this is

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<v Speaker 2>how much they're on. But where you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>that somewhere else? Carl Stefanovig at nine, Oh you're on

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<v Speaker 2>almost three million dollars. Where are you going to get

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<v Speaker 2>that somewhere else? And it used to be, oh, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to pay this much because seven will swoop in

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<v Speaker 2>or ten will swoop in. No, they're not. They can't

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<v Speaker 2>afford to keep their own stars on their salary. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be this market forces are going to

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<v Speaker 2>drive down all those prices and the era of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>their stars and we've got to let them get away

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<v Speaker 2>with murder that is gone because at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, it's like, well, they need to be proving

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<v Speaker 2>their value and it's not about let's keep them happy

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<v Speaker 2>at all costs, because let's be honest, there's been a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people that have gone through that. Kyle and

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<v Speaker 2>Jackie Osho as producers who've treated as a right of passage,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like yeah, you get yelled at an abuse,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've worked in newsrooms where you get yelled at

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<v Speaker 2>and abused. And unfortunately, that era of just keeping the

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<v Speaker 2>stars happy. I say unfortunately, it's not unfortunate at all

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<v Speaker 2>that area is gone because there isn't anyone waiting in

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<v Speaker 2>the wings to steal these stars away with equally lucrative contracts.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen it time and again. These people leave the

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<v Speaker 2>network that they're on and they find out very quickly

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<v Speaker 2>that they were stars at that network, and that network

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<v Speaker 2>and its resources poured into it made them famous. And

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<v Speaker 2>then when they go off and try to do their

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<v Speaker 2>own thing, they soon find out that without the star

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<v Speaker 2>machine behind them, they're not quite the stars they thought

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<v Speaker 2>they were.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Jacko, that was absolutely hopeless, and please do better

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<v Speaker 1>next time.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an outrage. I do not feel safe. I

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<v Speaker 2>do not feel safe. I shouldn't joke. But yeah, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>it's very serious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Jacko, all right, thank you for having me on.

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