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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, March five, twenty twenty six. Organizers of the

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Speaker 1: women's soccer Asian Cup have refused to explain why an

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Speaker 1: Iranian Australian journalist was removed from a Gold Coast stadium

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Speaker 1: on Monday night, where Iran were defeated three nil by

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Speaker 1: South Korea. The Melbourne Underworld crime figure Mitghatto is under

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Speaker 1: investigation by a Commission of Inquiry into the CFMU. That's

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Speaker 1: after he was linked to a traffic company operating on

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Speaker 1: the Gold Coast. The Australian's got unrivaled coverage of domestic

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Speaker 1: and world news and right now we're all over Iran's war,

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Speaker 1: with everyone from our correspondence on the ground to our

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Speaker 1: expert analysts here at home. Check us out at the

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Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au. It's the massive media bust

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Speaker 1: up almost three decades in the making, the acrimonious end

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Speaker 1: of radio behemoth The Kyl and Jackie Oh Show. But

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Speaker 1: who's in the wrong and is there still space for

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Speaker 1: stars like Carl sanderlans and Jackie Henderson in cash strapped

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Speaker 1: Australian media landscape. The Australians Media Diary editor Steve Jackson

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Speaker 1: joins me in just a moment. Steve Jackson is The

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Speaker 1: Australian's Media Diary editor. Jacko, I've taken the liberty of

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Speaker 1: doing your stars for today.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope you haven't been focusing on it too

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Speaker 2: much because they can lead to an almighty blow up.

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Speaker 1: It's actually very interesting as a Sagittarius, you are seeing

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Speaker 1: long term projects finally come together.

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Speaker 2: Look, as I said, fascinating, fascinating, But I don't know

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Speaker 2: if this comes to the detriment of everything else on

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 1: Claik It's time for diligence in career and finances requiring patients, Jacko,

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Speaker 1: as efforts begin to bear for it, focus on maintaining

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Speaker 1: emotional maturity in relations and ships. You can't argue with

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Speaker 1: this is a science.

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Speaker 2: Look, everyone in here has been talking about your star science,

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Speaker 2: your obsession.

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Speaker 1: Now. The blow up between Coyle and Jackie Oh was

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Speaker 1: partly about horoscopes. The two titans of the Australian FM

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Speaker 1: radio scene, probably the highest earning FM radio stars Australia

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Speaker 1: has ever seen. In the middle of a two hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollar deal have broken up and it was all

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Speaker 1: about this fight. I'm going to play a little bit

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Speaker 1: of the fight that they had about horoscopes. So JACKIEO

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Speaker 1: would have been able to see this coming.

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Speaker 2: JACKO, well, she would have read it in the stars.

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Speaker 1: You're off with the fairies where no, no, no, tell

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Speaker 1: me where I've been off with the fairies during the show.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to have to prove excuse of something.

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Speaker 3: Listeners to the program, you'll hear yourself. Just give me

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Speaker 1: M Kyle that I totally am offended by you saying something.

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Speaker 2: Bad if you are, because that's the reality of what

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Speaker 1: That is so unfair. I have been in here, so

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Speaker 1: as that conversation goes on here can't do what he's

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Speaker 1: a bit of real time feedback to Jackie. She does

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Speaker 1: it to him all the time as well. She's called

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Speaker 1: him fat on air before, she's called him crazy. She

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Speaker 1: generally reacts to him raising some sort of topic of

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Speaker 1: sex with her like, oh, Kyle. But here she's really upset,

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Speaker 1: and it turns out that this wasn't just an act.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's the thing is And I think even

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Speaker 2: after this initially went to where people were questioning, is

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Speaker 2: We know they've been trailing in Melbourne? Is this something

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Speaker 2: to get people interested? Everyone's talking about it. Even this morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm still getting messages from people, go, this is all

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Speaker 2: an elaborate stunt. It's not. And I think we could

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Speaker 2: tell that the moment that that show was turned into

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Speaker 2: that that ten minutes was cut entirely. That wasn't cut

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Speaker 2: out as a you know, the bust up between our

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Speaker 1: These two have been pinned by the regulator. They have

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Speaker 1: been fined, they have been ordered off air for the

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Speaker 1: things that they have said on air. Why do you think,

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Speaker 1: after twenty seven years of this partnership, Jackie Henderson, Jackie

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's an evolution. They've been working together

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Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety nine, twenty seven years But you think

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Speaker 2: You evolve, right, and she's quite clearly evolved. She's had

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Speaker 2: So they are different people now. Kyle is still doing

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Speaker 2: you believe he said it? Whereas Jackie has evolved as

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Speaker 2: She's been the good girl and he's been the bad guy,

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Speaker 2: and it's the straight man routine. But she's become the

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Speaker 2: and she no longer wanted to just be the foil,

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Speaker 2: by Kyle because that's the show, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had some amazing chemistry as part of all

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Speaker 1: of that and one of the things about the business

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Speaker 1: had to listen this morning and there were fifteen ads

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Speaker 1: like dog food and sofas. I'm happy to listen to

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Speaker 1: end of the ad break is not for old Smallsey

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Speaker 1: who's hosting the show in their absence, but Kyle potentially

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Speaker 1: saying the sea World, potentially starting a fight with a

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Speaker 1: that radio format is what has made it successful. As

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Speaker 1: a businesswoman, though, and Jackie is the part owner of

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Speaker 1: this business, it's intriguing that she had a red line

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Speaker 2: It's a really interesting thing because if we have our

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Speaker 2: differences here, and we've probably had some over the years. Claire,

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Speaker 2: I know I've pitched one of your stories before it

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Speaker 2: was ready on the news list, and I'm over that.

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Speaker 2: You can let it and there are words exchanged, right,

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Speaker 2: quite often what their exchanges are, they are usually funny,

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Speaker 2: has attacked her professionalism in a way that even if

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Speaker 2: you kind of go yes, she is off with the

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Speaker 2: fairies with the star signs, which some people will think,

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Speaker 2: other people go no, no, this is a very serious science.

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Speaker 2: But wasn't an appropriate time to do that? Probably not.

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Speaker 2: And it's a thing about jokey banter with colleagues. Is

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Speaker 1: She's a listally in a pretty vulnerable place. She has

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Speaker 1: but they talked a lot about horoscopes as well, and

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Speaker 1: but the midlife woman who's maybe she's got divorced, she's

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Speaker 1: and she's all about you know, as they pronounce it,

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Speaker 2: Now, well, I think it's quite interesting because she's talked

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Speaker 2: openly about what her aspirations were with this show. She

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Speaker 2: got the two hundred million dollar deal. Obviously that's not

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Speaker 2: all her money, it's about one hundred million each for

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Speaker 2: Kyle and Jackie. What she wanted to do at the

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Speaker 3: So if you want to join me, So what you're saying,

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Speaker 3: after this ten year deals up, that's it for you?

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Speaker 1: Probably how long have you had this particular dream?

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Speaker 3: Jackie forget her dream. The shock here is I got

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Speaker 3: nine years left with her. That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's a long time.

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Speaker 3: We should save the audition for the replacement because I

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Speaker 3: plan on dying on it.

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Speaker 2: Oh so, it's very much. She's ad a eat prey

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Speaker 2: love time of their life, as you say, the star

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Speaker 2: She's admitted that she has moved into a more woke

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Speaker 2: space given her belief while Kyle is very much you

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Speaker 2: know Donald Trump. And that's all good for a show

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Speaker 2: like you Want. No one is more bored by people

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Speaker 2: arguing in furious agreement about how much they concur on stuff.

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Speaker 2: The problem is is that it does get personal at times.

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Speaker 2: Where as you say, she's gone through all these emotional

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Speaker 2: I don't care about that, like I don't. And we

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Speaker 2: know people who've written books. You don't always want to

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Speaker 2: very least look at yeah, but you like it's someone

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Speaker 2: like that is a labor of love writing a book

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Speaker 2: have no intention of reading it. I don't care. You

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Speaker 2: about it. No, that's a hurtful thing. If I write

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Speaker 1: It as a business person. Tho style is right, isn't he?

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Speaker 1: I mean it is not good radio to hear someone

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Speaker 1: so much difficulty right now. I mean he delivered it

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Speaker 1: not the way you give feedback. But he's right.

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Speaker 2: Whether or not he's right, do you reckon he should

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Speaker 1: It made good radio. I mean that has been their

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Speaker 1: a little bit of outrage from her. They're both also

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Speaker 1: vulnerable in a business sense. Their foray into Melbourne was

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Speaker 1: an absolute catastrophe. The penis and vagina repartee didn't work

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Speaker 1: what's happened to the piccolo lately. So that's a businessman

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Speaker 1: I think he would have a defense if this went

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Speaker 2: Well, look, you are right. Kind of stop agreeing with me,

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Speaker 2: jack You've kind of changed my mind on that because

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. Because, let's face it, if they

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Speaker 2: try to terminate Kyle's contract, there is every chance this

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Speaker 2: is going to go to court. Like we're talking about

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Speaker 2: ninety million dollars worth of employment for the next nine years.

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Speaker 2: He's going to fight to keep that and say, as

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Speaker 1: Coming up why the Kyl and Jackie oshow doesn't work

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Speaker 1: She's not going to take it anymore. I mean she's

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Speaker 1: Speaking of stars, and I'm sorry to keep bringing it

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Speaker 1: back to this, Jacko. In the past five years and

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Speaker 1: much up at nine. He's got one year left on

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Speaker 2: Well, I think yes, I think it definitely is. But

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Speaker 2: I'm so close. I'm going to tell them more and

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Speaker 1: It is it also then about employers and the broadcast

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Speaker 1: To the stars. Yeah, we're not prepared to put up

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Speaker 2: Grow over it. Well, I think it comes back to

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Speaker 2: see it at nine Radio, all their hosts, this is

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Speaker 2: that somewhere else? Carl Stefanovig at nine, Oh you're on

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Speaker 2: that area is gone because there isn't anyone waiting in

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Speaker 2: We've seen it time and again. These people leave the

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Speaker 1: Well, Jacko, that was absolutely hopeless, and please do better

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Speaker 1: next time.

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Speaker 2: This is an outrage. I do not feel safe. I

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Speaker 2: do not feel safe. I shouldn't joke. But yeah, obviously

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Speaker 2: it's very serious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is serious.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Jacko, all right, thank you for having me on.

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