WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 27 February 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.200 Welcome, they'll wait to bait. 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:06.200 Well. 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:08.520 Good evening and thanks for your company. I'm James Macpherson 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.360 with Caleb Bond and filling in for Liz Store, who's unwell. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.720 All the best, Liz. We hope you're feeling better. Is 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.600 Deanika Georgio. Great to have you on the Late Debate? 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.840 Beneka, Yeah, great to join the team tonight. 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:23.320 It feels like this feels like a real invasion. Wow here, Well, 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.319 because you have Denika and James at seven pm on 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.080 a Sunday, and then following that is the Sunday show 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.600 Down hosted by Moir, and you're not happy with having 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.400 a show on Sunday before me. Now you're mustling in 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:36.080 or most. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.480 Basically tonight, this is Denika and James plus that other 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.680 bloke Taylor Pom tonight. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.000 And I got to tell you, as you think Deanika's joking, 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.120 but she was really serious about that brief show. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.080 So we said no, no, it's the Late Debate. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.680 We've got a lot coming up tonight, including is there 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.080 ever a good excuse for a postman not to deliver 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.680 a package? We think we've found one, will show you 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.160 a little later. Plus when we look at what's making 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:04.080 news tomorrow. So sex offenders accessing the ndis putting carers 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.200 at risk, and Immigration Minister Tony Burke takes his citizenship 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:12.640 Bernanza on the road he's touring. Apparently we'll get to 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.640 all of that shortly, but first I got to ask 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:20.720 you tell me again, please, why we pay SBS to 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.240 broadcast the broadcasters. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.160 Big story this week was about Virgin Airlines. 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:30.080 What's happening with Virgin, you ask, Well, the airlines ticketing 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.840 system only allows people taking pride flights to the game 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.600 in lesbian Mardi Gras to book as male or female Q. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.080 SBS outrage. May day Virgin Airlines took. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:46.400 Off with only two genders assume the crash position. SBS 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.400 think this is a terrible breach of human rights. In fact, 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.640 they actually reported, and I quote the booking system which 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.800 means you've got a book as a man or a woman, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:02:00.560 means some LB LGBTQ plus community members are effectively exclude 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:01.560 from flying. 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:03.800 Now, of course that's not true. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.160 You could just book as your biological sex and leave 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.120 your identity at the door. But SBS are all over this, 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.639 and so they went to Virgin with this pressing human 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.120 rights issue, and you can imagine how Virgin Airlines reacted. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.040 They were incredibly apologetic and said, look, we're trying to 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:21.480 fix it. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:22.520 Here's what they said. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.560 A spokesperson for Virgin told SBS News the airline was 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.600 committed to creating an inclusive experience for all guests, including 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:35.440 members of the LGBTQIA plus community. As part of this, 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.720 we are working to modify the booking process to accommodate 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.440 individuals who do not wish to have their gender displayed 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.239 as part of their travel journey. I got to tell you, 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.200 I've got a lot of sympathy for Virgin Airlines. Not 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.680 only do they have to spot three Chinese warships in 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.799 the Tasman, they also have to spot seventy two genders. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.200 SBS were not satisfied though, with this, because it's a 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.880 bigger story, see than just Virgin, So they went to 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.920 Quantas to see what's happening with you and Quantus of 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.680 course apologize that their ticketing system also insists to either 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.400 a man or a woman. But Quantus did say they 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.440 understand the importance of this issue and they're working to 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.600 fix it as a matter of priority. So now you 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.200 know how to get priority at Quantus. SBS also went 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.160 to Rex Airlines to find out what's going on with 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:23.560 you guys, and Rex Airlines never replied. I suppose it's 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.200 because they're kind of busy with administrators rather than gender vendors. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:32.040 Commercial aircraft aren't mid air clubs that exist to affirm 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:36.120 your identity. That they're actually public transport vehicles, and sometimes 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:40.520 they get hijacked, even used as weapons, and so having 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:45.800 correct identification of passengers is a really important issue of 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.720 all the aviation stories in the world right now. For 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.440 SBS with our money to think this is the big 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:53.640 one they need to focus on. 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:54.559 Is just rubbish. 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.360 It's amazing stuff. I'll tell you why Rex didn't respond. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.920 It's because they couldn't give two hurts to be perf 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.360 I mean, this is the thing I love about Rex. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.200 When they were flying between the capital cities, they didn't 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.760 have any acknowledgment of country, none of them. And you know, 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.520 Rex Airlines is basically an arm of the National Party 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.000 if you look at their board. So it's actually quite 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:15.080 nice to fly with them. It's a breath the fresh air. 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:20.120 But reading this story, right, I mean, I cannot get 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.000 over the histrionic language that was used in this thing. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:25.599 Amy Hall was the journalist. 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:25.880 Look. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.640 I don't know whether she was put up to this 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.200 by chief of staff or whether she actually did this 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.320 off her own bat, but for him and say, let 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:36.800 me furnish you with how this article begins. Virgin Australia 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:41.000 has operated dedicated Pride flights to Sydney for Mardi Gras 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.640 every year since twenty twenty one, and yes, this is 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.240 the thing they do. They raise money for Mardi Grau, 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.320 et cetera. The special services are touted by the airline 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.000 as a celebration of diversity and inclusion, but a feature 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.600 of Virgin Australia's booking system means some members of the 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:03.320 LGBTQ community are effectively excluded from taking part. Despite every 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:07.159 Vergin Australian passenger being required to select a gender and 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.279 title when they book a flight, the airline does not 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:14.800 offer any gender neutral options for either category. Customers can 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:18.120 only choose male or female for their gender, and there 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:23.120 is no way to select the gender neutral title mus MX, 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.159 meaning that when six and gender diverse passengers make a 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.919 booking with the airline, they're forced to pick an option 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.760 that may not match their identity. If that's the worst 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.960 thing you've got going on in your life, then you've 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:37.600 got a pretty bloody good life. 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:38.360 I have to tell you. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.600 I mean, if you're upset that you cannot choose the 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.440 prefix you want when you are booking a flight, I mean, 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:47.960 I can't begin to imagine how. 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.600 Difficult life crying is upset. 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:54.920 It's like when people insist that they have doctor put 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.279 on their plane ticket. Right, They're not an actual doctor, 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.039 They've got no medical qualify and there is just a PhD. 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:02.440 But I must be called. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:06.200 Doctor all the time. It doesn't matter for Hiven's sake. 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:09.080 They're not actually asking your gender, which might be some 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.719 would say a social construct. It how you feel in 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.400 the world. They're asking for your sex. And there are 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.239 only two sexes, male and female. And it doesn't matter 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.919 what you do to the external parts of your body, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.039 the chromosomes inside you will never change. You are male 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.080 or you are female. That is all they're asking for. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.839 And by the way, you see, they're looking into how 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:34.400 to change their ticketing Systemaly, you're quite difficult. You can 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.360 have all, they say. They've been looking at it since 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.719 twenty twenty one. Yes, they started a working group in 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.080 twenty twenty one to work out how people could buy 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.680 a ticket without being a mister mus or missus. It's 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:47.120 just real. 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.400 But has anybody ever heard of the term mix MX? 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.440 This was the first time I've ever heard of an. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.200 M What are you an MX? 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:55.160 I'm James McPherson. 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.960 I can quite good. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:02.080 I mean, this is absolutely ridiculous, is it not? Because 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.919 this is Virgin tying itself in knots of guilt to 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.440 accommodate a very small minority, a small portion. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:10.160 Of this population. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.680 Who well, what do they identify as ABCD, different parts 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.240 of the alphabet on different days. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:17.560 Apparently mix. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.400 But what really gets me the most, and we'll talk 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.400 about SBS in a moment, is of all of the 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.800 priorities of airliners in this day and age, so not 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:30.880 to delays, making sure that people get their destination from 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.480 A to B on time, making sure you get your 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.920 baggage on time, What about the cost of flights? No, No, 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:43.440 of course, Virgin's priority has to be your gender, whether 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:47.560 you are ab CD or MX, that is the priority. Now, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.800 as for the SBS, for goodness sake, going on a 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.840 tour of airlines of sorts, finding out you know, what 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:58.360 they feel, how they feel about your gender. Give me 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.480 a brave because you know what, there are only two 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.640 sexes in this world. And guess what, it can't be changed. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:10.160 It is a biological reality. So sorry SBS, sorry Virgin 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:11.720 and the rest of them, you got it wrong. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.600 And I've got to say, Caleb, I was as shocked 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.280 as you are. This working group's been going on. 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:20.400 Since twenty and twenty it is now twenty and twenty five. 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.120 How much money has been spent. I'd like to know 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:24.080 on this working. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.000 Group and what exactly does it aim to achieve. 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.760 It's been added to your ticket, no doubt it has been. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.920 Maybe the reason it's taken so long is because you know, 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.000 no one can tell you how many genders there are, 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.439 so no their new system. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.120 Will never be up to date, will never be adequate. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.280 But I noticed that now the reporter was very selective too, 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.680 because they reported, you know, what Air New Zealand are doing. 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.560 They reported what United Airlines in the US are doing, 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.160 but they didn't ask Qatar or Emirates Airlines what they're doing. 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:50.680 Don't work out why. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.440 Isn't Qatar now moving into they're actually buying into. 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.680 Buying into Virgin now, So I wonder the question for Qatar. 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.960 Now this is a Middle East an airline. I'm like, 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.319 do you so, what are the pronouns? What can people 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:05.559 choose on their boarding certificate? 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.040 I mean they are a Middle East An airlineer. 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.199 I'd like to actually know what they think about that well. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:10.679 And the other thing as well as you know, when 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.120 you buy the ticket online and it says you can 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.040 pay two or three dollars to you know, do a 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.000 carbon offset on the ticket. If they just stopped all 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.360 this hot air about genders, you would need to pay 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.800 for the carbon offset because there would be no emissions 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.600 on heir coming out of them, is what the emissions 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:27.920 are for Heaven say, let's go over to the UK 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:32.199 because Ramadan starts today. Of course, the Islamic festival. I'm 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.280 sure you've heard of it before. Muslim's feast, so they 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.200 don't feast during the day. I think they wish they 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.320 were feasting during the day. They're fast during the day 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.640 and then they feast in the evening for a month. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.520 And to celebrate this, the defender of the faith, the 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.920 Supreme Governor of the Church of England, King Charles himself, 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.000 decided that he would pack up some goods to send 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.920 off for Ramadan. Here is King Charles and Queen Camilla 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:04.160 packing dates. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:05.520 You are. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.400 Now, look, I don't know that i'd want King Charles 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.839 to touch my date, but they tweeted packing dates at 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.840 dar Jealing Express. Traditionally, dates are eaten as the first 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:27.199 food to break the fast at sunset during Ramadan. Their 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.920 Majesty's help pack dates that will be sent to local 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:34.200 hospitals for if Tar during the holy month. And you 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.800 might wonder, why is the man who took an oath 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.320 when he became the king that he would maintain the 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.240 settlement of the Church of England and the doctrine, worship, 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:49.040 discipline and government thereof as by law established. Why is 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.880 the man who is effectively at the top of the 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:56.200 Anglican Church, the Church of England cow twing to Muslims 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.800 in the UK right now? Well, maybe it has something 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.839 to do with the fact that the UK Muslim population 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:06.120 is nearly seven percent. Six point seven percent was what 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.640 turned up in their census in twenty twenty one. That 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:13.520 is more than double the Muslim population in Australia, which 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.040 also in twenty twenty one sat at three point two percent. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.800 And in London, of course, the capital city and Greater London, 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.880 the general area of London, the Muslim population accounts for 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.160 fifteen percent of people. In the West Midlands, it's nine 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.240 point six percent. In Yorkshire it's eight point one percent. 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:34.480 In the Northwest it's seven point six percent. So is 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.000 it any wonder that when you have such a large 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.840 Muslim population, look literally double what it is in Australia. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.959 And if we're talking about fifteen percent of the population 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.680 of London, I mean, that would be like I'm trying 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.240 to think of the best comparison I could make. Bankstown 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.920 is probably the closest I can get, even though it's 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.120 closer to twenty twenty five percent in Bankstown, but imansion, 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.520 Bankstown in Sydney is what London is in the UK, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.120 one of the most recognizable cities in the world. You 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.880 think of England, you think of London and the population 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.120 of London, fifteen percent of which is now Muslim. Is 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.280 it any wonder that this bloke who's meant to be 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.040 a representative of the Church of England now has to 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.680 bend over backwards to look after everyone else's rule. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.160 He doesn't have to bend over backwards. But I mean, 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:21.880 why don't they just go and replace Saint Paul's with 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.520 a mosque. They might as well. Charles is meant to 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.560 be the defender of the faith, he just seems very 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.480 confused about which faith he's supposed. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:31.120 To be defending. 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.160 To be tolerant of other religions, as Christianity is because 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.360 it teaches that God gives us free will, doesn't mean 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.360 you have to promote other religions, especially when the other 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.280 religion you're promoting is diametrically opposed to the one you 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:50.640 swore to defend. The media described this exhibition by the 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.160 King and the Queen is heartwarming. Well, that's the sort 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:54.920 of thing that's said by people who think with their 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.240 emotions and reason with their feelings. You can't believe that 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.080 Christianity and Islam are both true. Either one is true 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.320 and one is false, or both are false. But Christianity 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:09.400 and Islam can't both be true because they're completely contradictory. 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.280 And especially at Ramadan, which King Charles, a defender of 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.679 the Christian Church, describes as a holy month. Ramadan is 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.240 when Muslims celebrate the fact that Mohammad received of Koran 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.240 as a divine revelation, and the Koran teaches that Jesus 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.280 is a man, a very good man, but just a man. 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.600 He's not God in flesh, as Christianity teaches, and so 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:36.800 these two religions are diametrically opposed. So for Charles to 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:41.199 call Ramadan a holy month shows he either understands nothing 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.760 of what it is he's supposed to defend, or, as 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.480 you suggest, Caleb, maybe he's given up. He's slipped the 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.800 wind and thought, well, I know which way this is going, 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.640 so I'll get on board with what he believes will 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.280 be the winning team. This is a real problem for 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.840 the UK, and I think represents everything that's wrong with 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.839 the UK because those in charge don't seem to know 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.480 what they believe or what they stand for, and they're 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.480 clueless about what they're supposed. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.880 To be defending. And I'll say one more thing. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.959 When he was packing those dates to send off to 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.320 Muslim celebrating Ramadan, do you reckon? 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:15.840 It occurred to him to mention. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.280 That just two weeks ago, seventy Christians were slaughtered to 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.720 death in the Congo by people of well, you know 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.360 who I'm talking about. I don't think he mentioned that 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.000 though he's the defender of the Christian faith, but that 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.160 detail probably has slipped his mind. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:31.120 Well, he was not going to do that. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.040 Was he was not going to call out Islam. He's 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:34.640 not going to do any of that. And I've got 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.080 to say, what on earth is a Christian king. Let's 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.120 not forget he attends church services quite regularly. What on 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.800 earth is a Christian king, the defender of the faith 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.160 doing partaking in a Ramadan service. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.400 When a king who is a Christian. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.600 Takes part in Ramadan, he really tells you everything you 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:54.280 need to know about where the UK is heading. And 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.680 really it shows that British traditions are dead, they have 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.360 gone by the wayside. When you've got the monarchy which 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.560 is meant to be representing everything that Britain stands for, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.000 everything that Britain values, and you've got the king out 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.040 partaking in this event, it just goes to show that 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:15.240 this is now being favored, these multicultural events as opposed 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:16.960 to genuine Christian values. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:18.640 But I also think it says a lot. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.360 About the British monarchy, which is constantly trying to reinvent itself. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:27.520 It's trying to modernize. When you where hip, we're young. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.360 I mean not that you can necessarily call the king 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.560 and queen hip and young, but they are trying to 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.680 now show this inclusivity in this new era of the monarchy. 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.520 They're trying to embrace really every single festival under the sun, 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:38.480 but as. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.840 A defender of the faith, stop packing. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.600 Dates for Ramadan for goodness sake, and start embracing your culture. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:46.720 You couldn't call them young. You could maybe say they 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:47.880 were titanium hip. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:49.000 Well they were titanium. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.160 But you know, they're obviously trying to trying to remain relevant. 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.680 But the people they're trying to be part they're trying. 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.040 To remain relevant in an era where people are obviously 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.720 more and increasingly questioning the role of the monarchy in society. 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.240 So they're going, look, we're in clothes they were including every. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.040 Single Let me ask you a question, who are they 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.680 trying to be relevant to it, to the wewsome community, 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:08.920 the wilesome community, and. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.000 Never can to embrace them money. 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.280 But that's why it shows more about where the UK 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.360 is heading. Where As Caleb said, you've got you know, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.200 seven percent here, twenty percent there. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.760 They're trying to bring all these cultures together. 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.200 The irony is the group they're trying to appeal to 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.920 will never love them and the people who instinctively love 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.400 them they're leaving out of it. This is the working 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.720 class Brits who've been brought up with British tradition, with 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.040 the Judeo Christian ethic as what has made great Britain great, 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.320 and they're just abandoning those people. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.400 No wonder there's so much upset in the UK. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.720 Because the Church of England is considered the established church 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:45.080 in England because it is intrinsically linked to the government 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.680 and the legal system right unlike here in Australia, it 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.120 is actually part of the system over there. And the 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.080 queenspoke I think it was in twenty twelve about the 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.280 concept of the established church in a country that now 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.880 has religious diversity, and she said the purpose of defending 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.640 the established church is also to say that all people 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.000 are free to practice their religion. She didn't go so 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.520 far as to say they're also then expecting the monarch 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.560 to practice their religion along with them. Surely you acknowledge 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.600 that you are the defender of the faith, the Supreme 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.640 Governor of the Church of England, and so that will 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.600 be that. I don't have a dog in the fight 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:24.119 because I'm irreligious, but I would find it rather odd 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.879 for a religious person who belongs to one religion to 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.439 then start participating in the customs of another, Like do 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.400 you think that your religion is the one true religion? 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.159 Or are you saying, well, I don't know, maybe this 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.560 one could be all right if you think that one's 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.480 all right? Or how could you possibly be the Supreme 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:44.800 Governor of the Church of England. Surely you believe the 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.040 Church of England is it and the one and only. 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:48.639 Yeah, I mean that's what I do agree. 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.880 I'm with you when it comes to the religion aspect 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.280 of it. But I just wonder people in the UK 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.160 watching the king taking part in Rabadan, are they going, oh, 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.960 this is really worrying. Are they going, yate terrific? We 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.480 are a multicultural society. This is absolutely fantastic. But look, 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.240 we've got to move on because I want to talk 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.720 about Pennywong, who was once again miserably failed us on 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.440 the world stage, as she has done since October seven, 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:18.159 twenty twenty three, abandoning long standing ally in Israel and 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.920 Cleveland does not have the Australian values at heart, because 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.159 it's now been revealed that the Foreign Minister failed to 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:29.200 meet with Israeli representatives on a United Nations trip last year. 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:33.399 But let me tell you who did Pennywong meet with. Well, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:38.680 she met with representatives from Iran. Yes, you heard that correct, 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:43.520 Iran as in one of the Western enemies, one of 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:47.800 Australia's enemies. And she also met with the Palestinian authority. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:52.679 Now let's not forget that authority supported the October seven 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.600 attacks when more than one thousand Jews were slaughtered, women 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:56.480 were tortured. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.479 And rapes raped, and hostages were taken. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:02.159 Yet Pennywong some somewhat light bulb moment went off and 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.919 she felt it would be appropriate to meet it, to 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.280 meet them, and she also, at the same time demanded 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.040 that the Jewish homeland hold its military actions against terror 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:15.359 groups Hummas and Hezbla. Now we've got some audio of 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.840 Pennywong been asked about this in set of estimates, and 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:18.840 this is what she said. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.240 Did you have any meetings with Israel Israeli's representatives or 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:24.919 ministers or leaders. 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.600 My recollection is the Foreign Minister of Israel did not attend. 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:35.680 Had foreign minister attended, I would have had that opportunity. 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.639 Did you seek a meeting with Israel or Israel's representatives. 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.040 My counterpart didn't attend. 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:43.680 I mean, I think promised to Natao, who was there. 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.400 The Israeli permanent representative is obviously there. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:52.600 Or Senator I would usually engage with counterparts. 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.439 I mean the phone, the phone. 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.520 What exactly were you looking at, Pennywong when you were 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.199 looking down your phone? Where you're looking back at your 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.159 calendar to find out who you met with on that 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.800 certain date. Now, remember when Pennywong called for restraints. Was 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.240 it restraint enough to catch up with Iran? With the 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:13.040 Palestinian authority? Was it restraint enough to see the bodies 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.560 of the Bibas children in caskets being paraded through the 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:17.600 streets due and. 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:21.240