1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Appodjaye production. 2 00:00:11,801 --> 00:00:15,641 Speaker 2: It's a mystery what we're talking about. We have no idear. 3 00:00:16,121 --> 00:00:18,121 Speaker 2: Our podcast producer is taken control. 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,321 Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask you the hard hitting questions that I 5 00:00:22,321 --> 00:00:25,161 Speaker 3: think people want to know, but it's gonna make you 6 00:00:25,241 --> 00:00:26,201 Speaker 3: really uncomfortable. 7 00:00:26,321 --> 00:00:28,601 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 8 00:00:28,641 --> 00:00:31,441 Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, please do it, okay. 9 00:00:31,921 --> 00:00:36,561 Speaker 3: Question number one, how lucrative is social media? And which 10 00:00:36,641 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: is the best money making platform for you? 11 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:40,081 Speaker 1: It's YouTube? 12 00:00:40,081 --> 00:00:44,081 Speaker 2: For me, it's Snapchat. Yeah, Instagram is more paid sponsorships. 13 00:00:44,721 --> 00:00:47,721 Speaker 4: Would you say though, that your Instagram sponsorships pay more 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 4: though than Snapchat? 15 00:00:49,321 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: Yes, but a lot of brand's book a package that's 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,721 Speaker 2: Snapchat and Instagram. Okay, but like week to week, I 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,521 Speaker 2: make money off Snapchat just for being on there. You 18 00:00:57,561 --> 00:00:59,961 Speaker 2: make money from YouTube videos for just creating videos. 19 00:01:00,321 --> 00:01:02,841 Speaker 4: And I get paid more for my sponsorships on YouTube too, 20 00:01:02,961 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 4: because it only longer yees that needs to gree in 21 00:01:05,881 --> 00:01:08,801 Speaker 4: them and they're there forever, Whereas like a story's gone 22 00:01:08,801 --> 00:01:09,561 Speaker 4: in twenty four. 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,961 Speaker 2: And snapchats only just started paying creators and there's only 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,881 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty of us Australia wide that are 25 00:01:13,881 --> 00:01:16,161 Speaker 2: getting paid. And in America you have to have over 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,401 Speaker 2: fifty thousand subscribers to get on the Creative Fund. 27 00:01:18,601 --> 00:01:19,961 Speaker 3: How much money do you make for. 28 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,161 Speaker 4: Just those platforms, not including like love Elesros and Grow 29 00:01:23,161 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 4: and Glow and stuff like that, like six figures plus. 30 00:01:25,321 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely through covid, my influencer work was just making 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:30,601 Speaker 2: more than my businesses. 32 00:01:30,761 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's carried my business through hard times. 33 00:01:33,321 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 34 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,681 Speaker 2: I once got offered a lot of money. I think 35 00:01:36,721 --> 00:01:39,481 Speaker 2: it was like fifteen thousand dollars to promote this big 36 00:01:39,481 --> 00:01:41,641 Speaker 2: dial doo or really and I've said it before, but 37 00:01:41,721 --> 00:01:44,121 Speaker 2: I don't like big hard. It was this huge, like hard, 38 00:01:44,161 --> 00:01:47,601 Speaker 2: big dildo and they wanted like a YouTube video an 39 00:01:47,681 --> 00:01:50,961 Speaker 2: exclusive one Instagram. And back then too, I just wasn't 40 00:01:51,001 --> 00:01:53,601 Speaker 2: very open with my sexuality in my sex life, and 41 00:01:53,641 --> 00:01:55,761 Speaker 2: I was just like nope. But yeah, it's definitely a 42 00:01:56,001 --> 00:01:58,961 Speaker 2: huge industry now, so there's definitely a lot of money 43 00:01:59,041 --> 00:02:00,921 Speaker 2: to be made, but it ebbs and flows, hey, like 44 00:02:01,081 --> 00:02:04,401 Speaker 2: sometimes it's not really there. And then podcasting, I mean 45 00:02:04,441 --> 00:02:06,601 Speaker 2: we didn't make any money last year. We paid we 46 00:02:06,681 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: paid for Yeah, we just had no idea about sponsorships 47 00:02:11,281 --> 00:02:13,121 Speaker 2: or anything like that. This year will earn money for 48 00:02:13,201 --> 00:02:14,881 Speaker 2: being on podcasts, which is pretty cool. 49 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,121 Speaker 3: So would you say you're welcome, by the way, would 50 00:02:18,161 --> 00:02:22,281 Speaker 3: you say, Katie and Jay, would you say you could 51 00:02:22,281 --> 00:02:25,641 Speaker 3: make aside from your other brands, if you just did 52 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: social media only, you could make it very comfortable. 53 00:02:28,601 --> 00:02:33,201 Speaker 2: Yes, we could easily live off the online money very comfortably. 54 00:02:33,281 --> 00:02:33,641 Speaker 2: For sure. 55 00:02:34,041 --> 00:02:39,481 Speaker 3: Has there been a particularly stressful situation where you've gone, 56 00:02:40,601 --> 00:02:42,121 Speaker 3: let's just pack it all in and do a nine 57 00:02:42,161 --> 00:02:42,921 Speaker 3: to five God? 58 00:02:43,001 --> 00:02:44,641 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 59 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:45,761 Speaker 4: So many times. 60 00:02:45,881 --> 00:02:47,361 Speaker 3: Can you think of an example? 61 00:02:47,721 --> 00:02:52,161 Speaker 4: Just highly stressful times, like financially trying to hold everything together. 62 00:02:52,201 --> 00:02:55,081 Speaker 4: And I think especially with having love Ellis Rose, there's 63 00:02:55,121 --> 00:02:58,721 Speaker 4: just so much output and you work so hard for it. 64 00:02:58,721 --> 00:03:00,641 Speaker 4: There's so much involved, even in the back end that 65 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,081 Speaker 4: people wouldn't really probably think about social media, don't know, 66 00:03:04,441 --> 00:03:06,401 Speaker 4: or maybe sometimes the trolls when I'm just like fuck it, 67 00:03:06,921 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: I'm over hearing shit. 68 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: But when you put all that investment for that stock, 69 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:13,081 Speaker 2: when you were just going to do your own decbs, 70 00:03:13,081 --> 00:03:14,001 Speaker 2: that was a big time for you. 71 00:03:14,121 --> 00:03:16,321 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was hundreds of thousands of dollars that we 72 00:03:16,401 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 4: invested in that when it was right before like everything 73 00:03:19,161 --> 00:03:21,441 Speaker 4: started to really shift with the RBA rate rises and 74 00:03:21,481 --> 00:03:23,721 Speaker 4: we were like, oh my gosh, and everything with COVID 75 00:03:23,761 --> 00:03:25,761 Speaker 4: got delayed, so it was meant to come like a 76 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,761 Speaker 4: little bit here, a little bit there, a little bit there, 77 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,721 Speaker 4: all turned up at once. We had hundreds of thousand 78 00:03:29,761 --> 00:03:31,561 Speaker 4: dollars of stock that we had to move and we're like, 79 00:03:31,641 --> 00:03:34,481 Speaker 4: oh my gosh. So yeah, it was a stressful time 80 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,561 Speaker 4: for sure, But that is business. And I think sometimes 81 00:03:37,601 --> 00:03:40,081 Speaker 4: people think, you know, you're making this money, you're doing 82 00:03:40,161 --> 00:03:42,241 Speaker 4: these things, but like, fuck, there's a lot of risk involved, 83 00:03:42,681 --> 00:03:45,001 Speaker 4: and you know, you never know how long everything's gonna 84 00:03:45,081 --> 00:03:47,481 Speaker 4: last for and just enjoy and be grateful for the 85 00:03:47,721 --> 00:03:48,921 Speaker 4: seasons that you're in, and. 86 00:03:48,841 --> 00:03:51,041 Speaker 2: You're always putting back into the business. Like you get 87 00:03:51,121 --> 00:03:55,201 Speaker 2: an amazing launch, and then your next two collections, the 88 00:03:55,321 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: down payment's due, and then the full payment's due, and 89 00:03:57,721 --> 00:04:00,121 Speaker 2: then the shipping. It's I feel like you're always putting 90 00:04:00,161 --> 00:04:03,081 Speaker 2: back in and people don't realize that. But yeah, there's 91 00:04:03,121 --> 00:04:06,321 Speaker 2: definitely been times where I've just gone, this is just 92 00:04:06,401 --> 00:04:09,441 Speaker 2: too hard. I've just not made out for this. And 93 00:04:09,441 --> 00:04:11,361 Speaker 2: I've always said it and I'll still say it now. 94 00:04:11,721 --> 00:04:13,201 Speaker 2: I would not be running a business if I didn't 95 00:04:13,241 --> 00:04:15,281 Speaker 2: have the support of my husband. I'm not made to 96 00:04:15,321 --> 00:04:17,521 Speaker 2: run a business by myself. I don't think I have 97 00:04:18,921 --> 00:04:20,721 Speaker 2: not putting myself down, but I just don't think I 98 00:04:20,801 --> 00:04:24,641 Speaker 2: have the mental capacity and the knowledge and the skill 99 00:04:24,681 --> 00:04:27,641 Speaker 2: set that he does. We work really well together because 100 00:04:27,641 --> 00:04:30,561 Speaker 2: we've both got such strengths and weaknesses. But I had 101 00:04:30,561 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: a business partner for Baseline. They had their own, hugely 102 00:04:33,761 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: successful streetwear brand, and then when they sold and I 103 00:04:38,361 --> 00:04:41,041 Speaker 2: had a new business partner, we bought our share off them, 104 00:04:41,161 --> 00:04:43,841 Speaker 2: and that was a lot of money to buy that out, 105 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: and then we also had to pay for the next 106 00:04:45,921 --> 00:04:48,681 Speaker 2: six months worth of stock, so it was just so 107 00:04:48,801 --> 00:04:49,681 Speaker 2: much money in and up. 108 00:04:49,761 --> 00:04:51,161 Speaker 1: It was just such a huge risk. 109 00:04:51,201 --> 00:04:52,761 Speaker 2: I remember Steve sitting down and just be like, I 110 00:04:52,801 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: will support you with everything you want to do, but 111 00:04:54,561 --> 00:04:57,801 Speaker 2: are you are one hundred percent sure you are all 112 00:04:57,801 --> 00:04:59,841 Speaker 2: in because we are going all in, baby, and you 113 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: need to be fully committed. And I was like, yes, 114 00:05:02,601 --> 00:05:04,801 Speaker 2: I mean, like, let's do it. Nothing else I want 115 00:05:04,801 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: to do. I'm prepared for the risk. But it's so scary. 116 00:05:07,521 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: And that's why I always say owning a business is 117 00:05:09,561 --> 00:05:12,121 Speaker 2: not for the faint hearted. It's not for people that 118 00:05:12,161 --> 00:05:13,801 Speaker 2: are not risk takers. You have to be risk taken 119 00:05:13,841 --> 00:05:16,641 Speaker 2: to be an entrepreneur, you can't have certainty as your 120 00:05:16,681 --> 00:05:17,281 Speaker 2: highest need. 121 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,361 Speaker 4: Yeah, and we can take those big risks sometimes flop. 122 00:05:20,121 --> 00:05:22,881 Speaker 2: And a lot of people thrive, Like Steve not so 123 00:05:22,961 --> 00:05:24,921 Speaker 2: much now he's gotten older with children, but before that, 124 00:05:24,961 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: I feel like he would thrive on the uncertainty. Certainty 125 00:05:28,281 --> 00:05:30,841 Speaker 2: was like the last of his priorities. He would thrive 126 00:05:30,961 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: and like get off on the uncertainty of like risking 127 00:05:34,641 --> 00:05:36,961 Speaker 2: and our business. Over the years, it's done really, really well, 128 00:05:37,001 --> 00:05:38,721 Speaker 2: so we have been able to take some big risk 129 00:05:38,761 --> 00:05:42,041 Speaker 2: But for me growing up, certainty was a high need 130 00:05:42,081 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: of mine. My mum's got a very scarcity mindset around money. 131 00:05:45,081 --> 00:05:46,921 Speaker 2: So I feel like I'm nicely balanced now and so 132 00:05:47,081 --> 00:05:49,041 Speaker 2: is Steve. But yeah, you have to be quite a 133 00:05:49,121 --> 00:05:51,841 Speaker 2: risk taker and be prepared for real high highs and 134 00:05:52,001 --> 00:05:52,801 Speaker 2: really low lows. 135 00:05:52,961 --> 00:05:53,281 Speaker 1: Yeah. 136 00:05:53,721 --> 00:05:58,121 Speaker 3: Have any of those risks been so extreme that you 137 00:05:58,201 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: potentially could have lost everything? 138 00:05:59,601 --> 00:05:59,681 Speaker 2: Oh? 139 00:05:59,721 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. 140 00:06:01,081 --> 00:06:04,241 Speaker 2: Yep. And it's so scary. And then I also like 141 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: the embarrassment and shame that when you share everything online, Like, 142 00:06:08,001 --> 00:06:10,321 Speaker 2: how do you explain that to your audience? Yeah, when 143 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,561 Speaker 2: I have those moments where I'm like, fuck, this could 144 00:06:12,761 --> 00:06:15,161 Speaker 2: flop or this could not do well. How do you 145 00:06:15,201 --> 00:06:17,801 Speaker 2: explain that to your audience? It's really scary, and you're 146 00:06:17,801 --> 00:06:20,921 Speaker 2: putting this once again, putting yourself out there to share 147 00:06:20,961 --> 00:06:24,201 Speaker 2: it all. It's fucking scary. 148 00:06:24,281 --> 00:06:26,481 Speaker 4: Hey, it's hard for people to tell, like their friends 149 00:06:26,481 --> 00:06:28,041 Speaker 4: and family when they're going through hard times. 150 00:06:28,201 --> 00:06:29,561 Speaker 1: Yeah, let alone. 151 00:06:29,281 --> 00:06:32,361 Speaker 2: Like and people don't talk about this, so it's not normalized. 152 00:06:32,521 --> 00:06:35,121 Speaker 2: No one talks about the hard times and the stress 153 00:06:35,161 --> 00:06:37,441 Speaker 2: and even just cash flow. I never hear anyone talk 154 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:38,601 Speaker 2: about cash flong business. 155 00:06:38,641 --> 00:06:39,521 Speaker 1: It's hard. 156 00:06:39,841 --> 00:06:43,361 Speaker 2: It's so hard to understand and manage and forecast, like, 157 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: it's really stressful. But I don't ever hear any business 158 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,361 Speaker 2: owners talk about that because I think it's the one 159 00:06:48,361 --> 00:06:49,721 Speaker 2: thing most people really struggle with. 160 00:06:50,241 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's definitely been times over the years. We've 161 00:06:52,641 --> 00:06:52,921 Speaker 1: been in. 162 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,761 Speaker 2: Business for over fifteen years now, there's definitely been moments 163 00:06:55,761 --> 00:06:57,881 Speaker 2: where I'm like, fuck, yeah, this is it. 164 00:06:59,481 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: And have you had anything that you've launched or something 165 00:07:03,121 --> 00:07:06,601 Speaker 3: that you've done that has been a face and potentially 166 00:07:06,641 --> 00:07:07,361 Speaker 3: lost your money. 167 00:07:07,721 --> 00:07:12,841 Speaker 4: Yes, I started this bracelet brand that I had. We 168 00:07:12,881 --> 00:07:14,601 Speaker 4: had an idea, so we went to Taronggazoo and I 169 00:07:14,681 --> 00:07:16,801 Speaker 4: was like how annoying is it like trying to watch 170 00:07:16,841 --> 00:07:20,001 Speaker 4: the kids blah blah blah. Somebody went missing, like we 171 00:07:20,041 --> 00:07:21,761 Speaker 4: need to like write our number or something on them. 172 00:07:21,761 --> 00:07:23,121 Speaker 4: Then we're like, what if it gets rubbed off? We 173 00:07:23,201 --> 00:07:25,321 Speaker 4: just had a pence. We made bracelets with like phone numbers, 174 00:07:25,361 --> 00:07:26,881 Speaker 4: so it's kind of an id bracelet when you go 175 00:07:27,041 --> 00:07:29,721 Speaker 4: to it. When you go to certain places, launched it. 176 00:07:30,041 --> 00:07:31,921 Speaker 4: Fucking trolls went off. 177 00:07:32,161 --> 00:07:34,441 Speaker 2: And you even't actually told me this story because I 178 00:07:34,561 --> 00:07:37,161 Speaker 2: kind of assumed, but you're really emotional, so I just 179 00:07:37,161 --> 00:07:37,761 Speaker 2: didn't bring it. 180 00:07:37,761 --> 00:07:39,721 Speaker 1: Up because I thought it was a cool idea. I 181 00:07:39,721 --> 00:07:41,481 Speaker 1: think it's genius, but what actually happened. 182 00:07:41,521 --> 00:07:43,521 Speaker 4: People were like, what if it falls apart and my 183 00:07:43,641 --> 00:07:46,321 Speaker 4: kid chokes? This is so fucking stupid. Blah blah blah. 184 00:07:46,361 --> 00:07:47,921 Speaker 4: I could go make one of these for a dollar. 185 00:07:48,161 --> 00:07:49,961 Speaker 4: There was so much outside noise and it got me. 186 00:07:50,041 --> 00:07:51,681 Speaker 4: I was like, shut the whole fucking thing down. I 187 00:07:51,841 --> 00:07:54,201 Speaker 4: paid for all the stuff I had been doing, like 188 00:07:54,201 --> 00:07:56,521 Speaker 4: I redonne all the photo shoes, organized the whole thing, 189 00:07:56,561 --> 00:07:58,361 Speaker 4: and I could not handle the trolls with that one. 190 00:07:58,401 --> 00:08:00,801 Speaker 4: That night, I bawled and I was like, remember, I'm 191 00:08:00,841 --> 00:08:02,561 Speaker 4: like I'm just shutting it down before it even and 192 00:08:02,601 --> 00:08:04,841 Speaker 4: you know, every business starts off somewhere and over the 193 00:08:04,921 --> 00:08:07,201 Speaker 4: year you get better, you improve, you change things. But 194 00:08:07,241 --> 00:08:09,401 Speaker 4: it was like I was just so fucking slammed, and 195 00:08:09,441 --> 00:08:11,321 Speaker 4: there was so much outside noise, and I was like, 196 00:08:11,401 --> 00:08:13,201 Speaker 4: this is not worth my mental health. 197 00:08:13,561 --> 00:08:16,241 Speaker 1: Cyon. You know what broke my heart with that was 198 00:08:16,281 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: when I was crying to Steve. 199 00:08:17,761 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: Actually that night you went online made you cry now, 200 00:08:21,281 --> 00:08:23,721 Speaker 2: but you went on and you were like, oh, you've won, 201 00:08:25,161 --> 00:08:27,321 Speaker 2: and I was like so angry. 202 00:08:27,441 --> 00:08:28,241 Speaker 1: I'm getting so much. 203 00:08:29,521 --> 00:08:31,841 Speaker 2: I was like so angry that they had won because 204 00:08:32,081 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: you I thought this side team was great and I'd 205 00:08:34,201 --> 00:08:37,361 Speaker 2: seen the work that you put in. I just hate 206 00:08:38,121 --> 00:08:41,321 Speaker 2: if outside noise fucking Karen's like. 207 00:08:41,561 --> 00:08:42,561 Speaker 1: Do get the better of us? 208 00:08:42,641 --> 00:08:44,561 Speaker 2: Because we work so hard on everything that we do 209 00:08:44,641 --> 00:08:47,521 Speaker 2: and put so much money and time and sacrifice so much. 210 00:08:48,081 --> 00:08:50,121 Speaker 2: And that night you launched to be like an hour 211 00:08:50,201 --> 00:08:53,041 Speaker 2: or too late. They won or it was like no, 212 00:08:53,081 --> 00:08:54,721 Speaker 2: And even Steve's like, oh, I wish you didn't even 213 00:08:54,721 --> 00:08:56,521 Speaker 2: go on and say that, because they get what they 214 00:08:56,561 --> 00:08:59,001 Speaker 2: want and now they're feeding off that, you know, they 215 00:08:59,001 --> 00:09:01,201 Speaker 2: go into the forums. And I was so like upset 216 00:09:01,241 --> 00:09:03,401 Speaker 2: and I was like, you fuck is I didn't and 217 00:09:03,441 --> 00:09:05,441 Speaker 2: just so protective as her best friend. I was like, 218 00:09:05,521 --> 00:09:08,001 Speaker 2: you fuckers like and it was nothing that I could do. 219 00:09:08,121 --> 00:09:10,441 Speaker 2: Like you know when you're get in that warrior like 220 00:09:10,561 --> 00:09:14,201 Speaker 2: protector kind of energy. I feel that with you online 221 00:09:14,241 --> 00:09:16,441 Speaker 2: because I know how hard it can be. And I 222 00:09:16,481 --> 00:09:18,361 Speaker 2: was so upset and that was never in a place 223 00:09:18,401 --> 00:09:19,681 Speaker 2: at the time you were going through it. I was 224 00:09:19,721 --> 00:09:21,361 Speaker 2: going through it, and I was like and that's why 225 00:09:21,401 --> 00:09:22,921 Speaker 2: I never even bought it up again, because I was 226 00:09:22,961 --> 00:09:24,481 Speaker 2: just like, this is just too much. But I was 227 00:09:24,601 --> 00:09:28,161 Speaker 2: really angry at the time. Now the emotions coming up, I'm. 228 00:09:28,081 --> 00:09:30,321 Speaker 4: Actually annoyed looking back at myself because I had really 229 00:09:30,361 --> 00:09:32,961 Speaker 4: good ideas for the future and how I wanted to 230 00:09:33,441 --> 00:09:36,601 Speaker 4: but anyway, I was just like, yeah, not worth it. 231 00:09:37,321 --> 00:09:40,881 Speaker 2: We opened a cafe and we went into partnership with 232 00:09:40,921 --> 00:09:43,761 Speaker 2: another couple and we invested all the money in. We 233 00:09:43,761 --> 00:09:45,561 Speaker 2: didn't have the time to run the cafe, but we 234 00:09:45,601 --> 00:09:47,641 Speaker 2: invested all the money into the cafe and they were 235 00:09:47,681 --> 00:09:49,441 Speaker 2: to run it and it was all fifty to fifty 236 00:09:49,481 --> 00:09:51,921 Speaker 2: split share and one of the owners who was like 237 00:09:51,961 --> 00:09:54,881 Speaker 2: the main chef and organized that, she literally decided one 238 00:09:54,921 --> 00:09:56,161 Speaker 2: day she's not going to turn up and go to 239 00:09:56,161 --> 00:09:58,961 Speaker 2: work anymore. It was too much for her, so she left, 240 00:09:59,001 --> 00:10:02,321 Speaker 2: like all our staff, all these customers, everything to run, 241 00:10:02,361 --> 00:10:05,321 Speaker 2: and just never came back. And we were like, you 242 00:10:05,361 --> 00:10:07,161 Speaker 2: can't just walk out on a business, but we couldn't 243 00:10:07,161 --> 00:10:10,041 Speaker 2: contact her, and her partner was like obviously really apologetic. 244 00:10:10,081 --> 00:10:12,041 Speaker 2: He came in and tried to sort it out and everything, 245 00:10:12,161 --> 00:10:14,321 Speaker 2: but very quickly we had to close it down and 246 00:10:14,361 --> 00:10:17,081 Speaker 2: we lost a lot of money. And I felt so 247 00:10:17,121 --> 00:10:19,561 Speaker 2: embarrassed that this had failed. But it wasn't my forte. 248 00:10:19,681 --> 00:10:21,121 Speaker 2: I never wanted to work in the cafe. I had 249 00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:23,281 Speaker 2: my gym, I had other things going on, and I 250 00:10:23,321 --> 00:10:25,081 Speaker 2: didn't have the skill set to even run a cafe. 251 00:10:25,281 --> 00:10:28,401 Speaker 2: But it was just like so much went into it 252 00:10:29,281 --> 00:10:31,681 Speaker 2: and it was closed down pretty quickly afterwards. And was 253 00:10:31,721 --> 00:10:35,081 Speaker 2: so disappointed in how that worked out. But it was 254 00:10:35,161 --> 00:10:37,081 Speaker 2: just so many lessons and that like if you go 255 00:10:37,121 --> 00:10:40,241 Speaker 2: into business with someone, you really have to know them 256 00:10:40,281 --> 00:10:42,921 Speaker 2: so well, know their strength, know their weaknesses, talk about 257 00:10:42,921 --> 00:10:45,681 Speaker 2: worst case scenarios, discuss so many finances, and I think 258 00:10:46,601 --> 00:10:48,801 Speaker 2: we just jumped into it like with too much excitement 259 00:10:48,801 --> 00:10:50,361 Speaker 2: and like, oh fuck, what's the worst that can happen, 260 00:10:50,401 --> 00:10:52,521 Speaker 2: and it just felt so good at the time, but 261 00:10:53,121 --> 00:10:55,681 Speaker 2: not really knowing them well enough, and obviously she had 262 00:10:55,721 --> 00:10:57,721 Speaker 2: her own stuff going on, and like, you know, looking back, 263 00:10:57,761 --> 00:10:59,801 Speaker 2: have so much compassion for whatever was happening for her, 264 00:11:00,201 --> 00:11:02,561 Speaker 2: and we want to know what it's like when you're overwhelmed. 265 00:11:02,961 --> 00:11:04,801 Speaker 2: So it's fine, I don't hold any anger or guilt, 266 00:11:04,801 --> 00:11:05,641 Speaker 2: but the time. 267 00:11:05,521 --> 00:11:06,321 Speaker 1: It was like fuck. 268 00:11:06,601 --> 00:11:08,921 Speaker 2: And then I had to jump online and explain all 269 00:11:08,961 --> 00:11:10,521 Speaker 2: of this. I felt like it just landed back on 270 00:11:10,601 --> 00:11:13,161 Speaker 2: me because no one looks at who's behind the business. 271 00:11:13,161 --> 00:11:14,921 Speaker 2: They just look at the face of and it was like, ash, 272 00:11:14,921 --> 00:11:18,321 Speaker 2: she's cleaned in cafe. So I definitely think that was 273 00:11:18,321 --> 00:11:20,801 Speaker 2: probably my biggest family in business. But when it comes 274 00:11:20,841 --> 00:11:23,321 Speaker 2: to products and things, most things that I've done have 275 00:11:23,921 --> 00:11:26,321 Speaker 2: done really, really well, and I'm really proud of that. 276 00:11:26,801 --> 00:11:30,161 Speaker 3: Have you ever had moments of going last month was great? 277 00:11:30,561 --> 00:11:31,041 Speaker 4: But fuck? 278 00:11:31,081 --> 00:11:32,681 Speaker 1: Look at this month? Oh yeah, all the time? 279 00:11:32,721 --> 00:11:36,401 Speaker 2: The first quarter of every year, yeah, well yeah every time, 280 00:11:36,441 --> 00:11:39,801 Speaker 2: and every time, even Steve this year, we're talking about 281 00:11:39,841 --> 00:11:42,041 Speaker 2: it and I'm like he was stressing about something. We 282 00:11:42,041 --> 00:11:44,441 Speaker 2: were just discussing something, and I'm like, this even's every year. 283 00:11:44,521 --> 00:11:47,121 Speaker 2: It's always the first quarter. And he's doing this online 284 00:11:47,161 --> 00:11:49,921 Speaker 2: course and there's thousands of other business owners that do 285 00:11:49,961 --> 00:11:52,001 Speaker 2: this course and they all talk together in this forum, 286 00:11:52,401 --> 00:11:55,001 Speaker 2: and he's like ninety five percent of them all in 287 00:11:55,041 --> 00:11:57,121 Speaker 2: this community chat just talking about how hard it is 288 00:11:57,201 --> 00:12:00,161 Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, every single business owner is struggling and 289 00:12:00,201 --> 00:12:02,041 Speaker 2: sales a lot, and you're coming off the back end 290 00:12:02,081 --> 00:12:05,001 Speaker 2: of Black Friday and Christmas sales and Boxing Day sales 291 00:12:05,361 --> 00:12:07,321 Speaker 2: and everyone's gone on holidays and spent all their money. 292 00:12:07,401 --> 00:12:10,121 Speaker 1: So that jan February is just really quiet. 293 00:12:10,161 --> 00:12:13,681 Speaker 4: But we don't is living too so high. 294 00:12:13,481 --> 00:12:15,201 Speaker 2: But you do see it pick up in quarter two. 295 00:12:15,281 --> 00:12:17,561 Speaker 2: Quarter three is amazing. Yeah, in quarter four it was 296 00:12:17,641 --> 00:12:20,641 Speaker 2: like okay, but around that Black Friday is what a 297 00:12:20,641 --> 00:12:23,241 Speaker 2: lot of businesses base like their whole business around. Now 298 00:12:23,281 --> 00:12:25,681 Speaker 2: they plan it out and that's like the biggest one 299 00:12:25,681 --> 00:12:26,961 Speaker 2: where they make so much money. 300 00:12:27,641 --> 00:12:29,281 Speaker 1: But yeah, the first quarter, I. 301 00:12:29,201 --> 00:12:31,761 Speaker 4: Feel is just every year I feel like I like no, 302 00:12:31,961 --> 00:12:32,441 Speaker 4: and then you're. 303 00:12:32,361 --> 00:12:33,681 Speaker 1: Like, oh, I forgot what this is like. 304 00:12:33,881 --> 00:12:36,881 Speaker 2: Yeah, last year, Steve and I like put different things 305 00:12:36,921 --> 00:12:41,961 Speaker 2: in place for Hideaway, particularly to help support that harder period.