1
00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,160
Speaker 1: Now you'll recall the state government had been consulting on

2
00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:09,000
Speaker 1: legislation for ending the trial of each scooters around the

3
00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,360
Speaker 1: city in some suburbs. This is a trial that began

4
00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,040
Speaker 1: what five years ago, close enough too, if it's not

5
00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,960
Speaker 1: that it's four and three quarters. It's been a long time,

6
00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,840
Speaker 1: and we've had these scooters on the streets, mostly of late,

7
00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,920
Speaker 1: the Orange and Purple ones, but there have been other

8
00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,520
Speaker 1: brands as well over the years that have taken part

9
00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,320
Speaker 1: in this extended trial that has lasted almost since the

10
00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,440
Speaker 1: death of Colonel William Light. It feels like they've been

11
00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,519
Speaker 1: around forever. But legislation on the way that will allow

12
00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,639
Speaker 1: them will firstly allow the ones that are actually illegal,

13
00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,240
Speaker 1: the ones you can go into a shop and buy

14
00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,920
Speaker 1: and ride. They're meant to be under current legislation for

15
00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,839
Speaker 1: private property use only, so you know, up and down

16
00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,080
Speaker 1: the driveway as fast as you can and slam the

17
00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,400
Speaker 1: brakes on. But of course people are using them beyond

18
00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,360
Speaker 1: their driveways and they're out on the road, along with,

19
00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,880
Speaker 1: of course the ones you can hire as well, which

20
00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,759
Speaker 1: are sitting on a street corner near you somewhere, especially

21
00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,559
Speaker 1: in the city, and beyond some specific areas. So what's

22
00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,000
Speaker 1: going to happen with this legislation and particularly where do

23
00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,160
Speaker 1: we stand in terms of injuries? And I think that's

24
00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,080
Speaker 1: the one of the sticking points that both the opposition

25
00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,039
Speaker 1: and the government are talking about looking for compromise. That's

26
00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,039
Speaker 1: always a good thing. Ben Hood, Shadow Transport spokesperson on

27
00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,080
Speaker 1: the line, Ben Hood, good mining going, Matthew, how are

28
00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,800
Speaker 1: you good? Thank you? What would you like to see

29
00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:32,640
Speaker 1: in the legislation?

30
00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:39,720
Speaker 2: Well, Matthew, the Opposition are supporting this amendment bill that

31
00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,280
Speaker 2: has come through from the government. We believe that it's

32
00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:48,480
Speaker 2: time for the personal mobility devices as stated in the legislation,

33
00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,680
Speaker 2: or the scooters to be able to be used on

34
00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,800
Speaker 2: public roads. But one of the issues that we have

35
00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,200
Speaker 2: heard from groups like the RAA is that there are

36
00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,320
Speaker 2: concerns around if people do get injured by these devices.

37
00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,360
Speaker 2: And I don't make the point they run, they do

38
00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,400
Speaker 2: more often than not go on footpaths where you'll have

39
00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,000
Speaker 2: bikes that tend to stick on the roads. These personal

40
00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,120
Speaker 2: mobility devices are they're quite agile, they can zip in

41
00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,040
Speaker 2: and out. What happens when we do have a vulnerable

42
00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,000
Speaker 2: person or a senior citizen that does get knocked down

43
00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,160
Speaker 2: by one of these things, and on the rare occasion

44
00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:29,200
Speaker 2: that someone doesn't stop, where where is the compensation or

45
00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,280
Speaker 2: how are people going to be able to access that?

46
00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,280
Speaker 2: So the Opposition moved in the Legislative Councils some amendments

47
00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:41,280
Speaker 2: which would include personal mobility devices in a nominal defendant scheme.

48
00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,960
Speaker 2: Now that scheme would then allow for someone to be

49
00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,720
Speaker 2: able to claim against that if someone didn't stop, someone

50
00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,920
Speaker 2: knocked them over, they injured them but didn't stop. Now,

51
00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,400
Speaker 2: I think that would be relatively rare, and I have

52
00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:01,960
Speaker 2: pointed out previously that the Compulsory Third Party Regulator shows

53
00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,440
Speaker 2: in twenty two to twenty three only sixty one vehicles

54
00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,120
Speaker 2: cars we're subject to normal defending claims and there's over

55
00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,720
Speaker 2: one point three million license drivers in South Australia. So

56
00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,680
Speaker 2: it isn't going to be a huge issue, I don't believe.

57
00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,040
Speaker 2: But we do need to have some safety net there

58
00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,560
Speaker 2: so people pedestrians who are using the sidewalks have some

59
00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,639
Speaker 2: recourse to be able to claim if they do get

60
00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,480
Speaker 2: injured by these things. Now, the Minister has said that

61
00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,520
Speaker 2: he acknowledged in his second reading in the House Assembly

62
00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,400
Speaker 2: that he understood I think the good will around these amendments,

63
00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,520
Speaker 2: and he was going to get some data to bring

64
00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,560
Speaker 2: back to us on what that cost might be. He

65
00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,920
Speaker 2: also promised that to the Crossbench, and I've spoken to

66
00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,680
Speaker 2: a few of them and they haven't heard back from

67
00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,960
Speaker 2: him as yet. So we really just want to make

68
00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,720
Speaker 2: sure that we do have that safety in it, and

69
00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,920
Speaker 2: we think this is a good way of doing that.

70
00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,480
Speaker 2: But of course willing to work with the government because

71
00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:54,880
Speaker 2: now it has gone from the Lower House to the

72
00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,800
Speaker 2: Upper House back to the Lower House and we're out

73
00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:57,560
Speaker 2: a bit of a stalemate.

74
00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,280
Speaker 1: All right, what's the rules around on bike riders as

75
00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,640
Speaker 1: in your traditional cycle bicycle, because of course they can

76
00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,400
Speaker 1: go on footpaths and roads. Scooters will be exactly the same.

77
00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,280
Speaker 2: Well, that is correct that the bikes aren't covered under

78
00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,640
Speaker 2: the nominal tendant scheme, but I wouldn't. I would say

79
00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,480
Speaker 2: that east scooters and bikes aren't necessarily the same thing.

80
00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,440
Speaker 2: Bikes tend to people tend to stick on the roads.

81
00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,160
Speaker 2: With bikes, of course, they can ride on the foot

82
00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,880
Speaker 2: paths if they choose to. Bikes are not as agile

83
00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,720
Speaker 2: and as zippy, I suppose as these scooters ease.

84
00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:31,000
Speaker 3: EA.

85
00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,440
Speaker 2: Scooters can be quite heavy as well. And I'm sure

86
00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,159
Speaker 2: many of your listeners would probably have some stories about

87
00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,760
Speaker 2: the current trials that you spoke of that's been going

88
00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,640
Speaker 2: on what seemingly forever, that they can to zip in

89
00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,919
Speaker 2: and out and they can pop out from nowhere, and

90
00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,800
Speaker 2: people have been injured by these things. What we're saying is,

91
00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,520
Speaker 2: let's have a look at this, let's see what options

92
00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,760
Speaker 2: we do have. And at the present time, we can't

93
00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,720
Speaker 2: just sit there and be and wish for insurance products

94
00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:58,360
Speaker 2: to come online.

95
00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:58,599
Speaker 3: Again.

96
00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,240
Speaker 2: The RAA have advice to me that that could be

97
00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,920
Speaker 2: a few at least a few years away. And again

98
00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,720
Speaker 2: the RAA have raised these concerns and we think it's

99
00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:07,880
Speaker 2: something that we need to look at all.

100
00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,960
Speaker 1: Right, Ben Hood, thank you Tomkots and Tina's Transport minister.

101
00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,320
Speaker 1: You've heard Ben Hood's suggestions. There. Where do you stand

102
00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,560
Speaker 1: on this? What's going to happen next? To get this legislation.

103
00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,920
Speaker 3: Through, I will write an impasse. What Ben wants to

104
00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,279
Speaker 3: do is to force motorists to take our insurance on

105
00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,720
Speaker 3: behalf of these scooter writers. So what that would mean

106
00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,080
Speaker 3: is mums and dads who are listening to your radio

107
00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,839
Speaker 3: station now or cap drivers or uber drivers who are

108
00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,880
Speaker 3: paying their compulsor fair party premiums are going to have

109
00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,160
Speaker 3: to suffer an increase in their registration cost to cover

110
00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,440
Speaker 3: people who write these goods. I don't think that's fair.

111
00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,600
Speaker 3: And the problem we have is trying to calculate how

112
00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,320
Speaker 3: much that will cost is actually we find it very

113
00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,600
Speaker 3: difficult to know exactly what the uptake will be, what

114
00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,240
Speaker 3: the injury rates will be. So you know, I'm not

115
00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,960
Speaker 3: prepared to risk a twenty thirty or forty dollars increase

116
00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,640
Speaker 3: to registration fees, or even a five dollar increase to

117
00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,320
Speaker 3: registration fees, no matter what the insurance couldn't comes back

118
00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,400
Speaker 3: at because this is about the scooter riders being subsidized

119
00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,120
Speaker 3: by other moments. So the normal defendants there when pedestrians

120
00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,480
Speaker 3: are hit by a car and as people run off.

121
00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,400
Speaker 3: I mean, they're there for rare occasions, but they're not

122
00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,960
Speaker 3: there to subsidize other road users. And to use the

123
00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,400
Speaker 3: normal defender in this way is not what it's intended

124
00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,560
Speaker 3: for and would be have an impact on people during

125
00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:36,400
Speaker 3: the cost of living.

126
00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,960
Speaker 1: Crist Okay, how then to protect pedestrians and look, I

127
00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,880
Speaker 1: understand the difference between a bike and a knee scooter.

128
00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,240
Speaker 1: But when both can be ridden on the road and

129
00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,960
Speaker 1: on the footpath, I see ultimately little difference between the two.

130
00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,320
Speaker 1: If somebody is hit by one vehicle or the other

131
00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,640
Speaker 1: and the person keeps going. So do we need something

132
00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,839
Speaker 1: to protect protect the innocent pedestrian in a well a

133
00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:02,360
Speaker 1: hit run.

134
00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,680
Speaker 3: Well, let's be clear about this first and foremost. If

135
00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,200
Speaker 3: people are covered by the nominal defendant, there's no incentive

136
00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:16,680
Speaker 3: to stay and give assistance, because you know, I don't

137
00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,960
Speaker 3: think South Australians are like that anyway. Askin people do

138
00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:19,640
Speaker 3: stop and give.

139
00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,200
Speaker 1: Assistance mostly, but there will be exceptions, as you know.

140
00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,440
Speaker 3: But they are always going to be exceptions, and we

141
00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,240
Speaker 3: don't make laws for exceptions. We make laws for the

142
00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,040
Speaker 3: main body of the populace. And my view is that

143
00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,080
Speaker 3: the way we do this is we have very very

144
00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,080
Speaker 3: strict enforcement laws on east scooters. For example, we're going

145
00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,480
Speaker 3: to limit their speed limit to ten kilometers on foot paths,

146
00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,720
Speaker 3: but allow them to go twenty five kilometers on our road. Now,

147
00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,960
Speaker 3: the incentive from using a footpath to a road is

148
00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,480
Speaker 3: a fifteen kilometer per hour increase in speed. Now, I

149
00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,160
Speaker 3: think that will incentivize a lot more people to use

150
00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,160
Speaker 3: the road rather than our footpaths and ten kilometers while

151
00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,680
Speaker 3: still fast fast that some bicycles will go. And if

152
00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,360
Speaker 3: you're in an e scooter and you get caught speeding

153
00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,320
Speaker 3: on a footpath, you can accumulate the merit points be

154
00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,560
Speaker 3: using the scooter while intoxicated. You can be disqualified from

155
00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,920
Speaker 3: driving the same way you can be driving a motor vehicle.

156
00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,160
Speaker 3: So we've got penalties and expiation notices that will be

157
00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,960
Speaker 3: in place for people who break the law. But I

158
00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,680
Speaker 3: don't see the merit in charging people in their registration

159
00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,400
Speaker 3: fees that they pay. Now another insurance premium on the

160
00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,240
Speaker 3: compulsion third party to cover e scooters. There will be

161
00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,640
Speaker 3: insurance products that come up that people can take out.

162
00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,920
Speaker 3: I don't think this is the responsibility of other motorists.

163
00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,000
Speaker 3: And I just also point out a bit of history

164
00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,839
Speaker 3: here which I think is important match you for your

165
00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,080
Speaker 3: listeners who might have agreed with what Ben was saying.

166
00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,280
Speaker 3: So this is the history of e scooters. In twenty

167
00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,280
Speaker 3: and nineteen, the previous Marshall government promised to deregulate the operation,

168
00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,680
Speaker 3: use and ownership of the scooters. They started a trial

169
00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,560
Speaker 3: with e scooters being rented in the CBD and allowed

170
00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,920
Speaker 3: councilors to undertake this trial. They promise of being a

171
00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,040
Speaker 3: legislation and they didn't. They were defeated. In twenty twenty two,

172
00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,080
Speaker 3: we came in and we held a review into how

173
00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,679
Speaker 3: to legalize private ownership of East scooters. In the meantime,

174
00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,160
Speaker 3: the leader of your opposition, Vincentazi, introduced a private members

175
00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:24,319
Speaker 3: bill which specifically prohibited any increase to any registration cost,

176
00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,439
Speaker 3: including the nominal defendant. But here we are a year later,

177
00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,920
Speaker 3: an his shadow minister is now saying no, no, no,

178
00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,240
Speaker 3: we've changed our minds. We want to charge people. I

179
00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,120
Speaker 3: don't think it's fair, I don't think it's consistent, and

180
00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,000
Speaker 3: I don't think it's what South Australians want.

181
00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,400
Speaker 1: I'll get a response from Ben Hood. Let me ask

182
00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,479
Speaker 1: you bicycles, if they're involved in an accident with the pedestrian,

183
00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,320
Speaker 1: or if they're drink riding as you suggest, with an

184
00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,199
Speaker 1: escuota rider, or whatever other penalties would be incurred by

185
00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,440
Speaker 1: an est guota rider, would they face the same penalties?

186
00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,360
Speaker 1: Will they lose the merit points if they're speeding on

187
00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:58,520
Speaker 1: a sortscath yeah?

188
00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,840
Speaker 3: Yes. And if you're riding a bicycle home and you're intoxicated,

189
00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,520
Speaker 3: you can be breast tested and if you are over

190
00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,600
Speaker 3: the limit and you have a driver's license, you can

191
00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,319
Speaker 3: be issued expiation notices and a fine and ban from driving.

192
00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,439
Speaker 1: Okay, so the same rules apply there.

193
00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,839
Speaker 3: Same will supply, but the nominal defender was not apply

194
00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:16,680
Speaker 3: to bicycles.

195
00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,400
Speaker 1: Okay, ben Hood, let me ask you, so your scheme

196
00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,559
Speaker 1: adding the cost to motor redg essentially is that the

197
00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:24,679
Speaker 1: answer here?

198
00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,560
Speaker 2: Well, Matthew, as the Minister is sending secreating he was

199
00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,160
Speaker 2: going to get some costings and tell us a little

200
00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,120
Speaker 2: bit about what this might do. And he hasn't done

201
00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,760
Speaker 2: it yet. And I find it a little bit cute

202
00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,320
Speaker 2: that the minister is talking about a cost of living

203
00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,040
Speaker 2: crisis when his government has seen fees and charges go

204
00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,600
Speaker 2: up by nearly thirty percent.

205
00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,640
Speaker 1: But this would add to that the government, This would

206
00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,080
Speaker 1: add to them.

207
00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,960
Speaker 2: We don't know exactly what the impulse would be, but

208
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't make this point that the select committee that

209
00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,439
Speaker 2: was spun up about a year and a half ago

210
00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,200
Speaker 2: for Public and Active Transport, one of their key recommendations

211
00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,840
Speaker 2: to the government was for the Attorney General to investigate

212
00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,160
Speaker 2: insurance options now for e scooters that still hasn't happened.

213
00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,440
Speaker 2: The Government is essentially saying, let's sit on our hands,

214
00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,920
Speaker 2: let's wait and see. They are a are telling us

215
00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,640
Speaker 2: that we might not see insurance options for at least

216
00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,560
Speaker 2: another couple of years. Yet these e scooters will be

217
00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,720
Speaker 2: going around. I'm saying, and the Opposition is saying, we

218
00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,400
Speaker 2: need to seriously consider how we can ensure that our

219
00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,240
Speaker 2: vulnerable people, our senior citizens are protected if they are

220
00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,880
Speaker 2: knocked down. And I agree with the Minister. I don't

221
00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,400
Speaker 2: necessarily think that South Australians are the tipe of people

222
00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,440
Speaker 2: that would knock someone down and then take off. I

223
00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,120
Speaker 2: think a significant majority would stop and render assistance. But

224
00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,000
Speaker 2: for that small amount, we need to understand what people

225
00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,080
Speaker 2: can get as a recompense for the injury. Now, that

226
00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,440
Speaker 2: could be the nominal defendive scheme, and that what is

227
00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:45,840
Speaker 2: our amendments are looking to do.

228
00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,600
Speaker 1: Is this a deal breaker for you? If this doesn't

229
00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,040
Speaker 1: get up in the form you want, would you vote

230
00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:51,880
Speaker 1: the legislation down.

231
00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,320
Speaker 2: Look, we want to work with the government and determine

232
00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,120
Speaker 2: what is the best course of action, and I think

233
00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,480
Speaker 2: that there are a number of options that we can

234
00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,160
Speaker 2: work through with the Minister I've written to the minister

235
00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,240
Speaker 2: requesting what is the process from here. I'm very much

236
00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,840
Speaker 2: looking down and looking forward to sitting down with him

237
00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,640
Speaker 2: discussing what the options are finding the best solution for

238
00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,800
Speaker 2: the people of South Australia. Because again the Opposition do

239
00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,920
Speaker 2: support having e scooters on public areas, public roads and

240
00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,760
Speaker 2: those types of things. We think that that is a

241
00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,320
Speaker 2: good thing, but we want to ensure that if people

242
00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,160
Speaker 2: are knocked down that we're not just sitting there and

243
00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,960
Speaker 2: hoping for the best or hoping for insurance products that

244
00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,040
Speaker 2: come in some far off time, but actually just ensuring

245
00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,200
Speaker 2: that we do have recompense for those people.

246
00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Ben Hood, Shadow Transport spokesperson, thank you minister. Look,

247
00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,680
Speaker 1: I think most people would see the sense in not

248
00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:49,920
Speaker 1: increasing the motor DGE component. Think so, not a calling

249
00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,040
Speaker 1: through the office for a minority. But what happens if

250
00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,680
Speaker 1: an elderly person is knocked down? If the legislation gets

251
00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,199
Speaker 1: up without any form of cover for people on the

252
00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,920
Speaker 1: footpath and somebody has knocked down an elderly person who's

253
00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,959
Speaker 1: not down seriously injured, breaks a hip leg whatever, what

254
00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,640
Speaker 1: hope have they got and the person hasn't stopped the culprit.

255
00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,160
Speaker 3: Well, the same thing. You can say the same thing

256
00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,320
Speaker 3: right now about a bicycle.

257
00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so what hope do they have? Well, why

258
00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:19,839
Speaker 1: don't we change.

259
00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,760
Speaker 3: That, because that would be putting costs on people who

260
00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,360
Speaker 3: do not ride bicycles and do not use these cooters

261
00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,839
Speaker 3: and forcing other people to subsidize those yearsers so that.

262
00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:30,720
Speaker 1: Minority to get away.

263
00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,280
Speaker 3: We can't live in a world where the government insures

264
00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,920
Speaker 3: every time you walk out in the front door, but

265
00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,200
Speaker 3: you are personally covered. What we do is we offer

266
00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,920
Speaker 3: free healthcare, we offer a medicare, we offer free hospital.

267
00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,319
Speaker 3: It's the best accident emergency centers in the world. But

268
00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,120
Speaker 3: what we can't do is keep on putting the cost

269
00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,319
Speaker 3: on to the poor old taxpayer and saying, look, we

270
00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,360
Speaker 3: know you're suffering through a cost of living crists. We're

271
00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,880
Speaker 3: just going to increase a registration cost because ben Hood

272
00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,040
Speaker 3: and the opposition have now changed their minds and they

273
00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,920
Speaker 3: want everyone to be insured for everything that they do.

274
00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,280
Speaker 3: But there's going to be some personal responsibility here as well.

275
00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,440
Speaker 1: Well, they shouldn't be for the scooter writer too. But

276
00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,880
Speaker 1: if they if they've knocked somebody down and keep going,

277
00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,920
Speaker 1: that person on the ground has got no hope of

278
00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,360
Speaker 1: finding out who they are and how to potentially cover

279
00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,400
Speaker 1: their costs of medical expenses that will arise from being

280
00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,720
Speaker 1: knocked down. It's it's I don't know what the answer is,

281
00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,320
Speaker 1: to be honest, It's not a great solution either way.

282
00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,240
Speaker 3: No, it's not. And this is the problem, and this

283
00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,400
Speaker 3: is why what we've tried to do is put in

284
00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,200
Speaker 3: incentives keepable footpath I mean, my hope now is with

285
00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,840
Speaker 3: this legislation passing. If it passes, it'll mean that those

286
00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,360
Speaker 3: rental e scooters in the city will go the way

287
00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,960
Speaker 3: of the DODO. Councilors across the country are beginning to

288
00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,760
Speaker 3: abandon them. If you can own your own e scooter,

289
00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,560
Speaker 3: there's no need to rent one. So hopefully we see

290
00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,400
Speaker 3: a less of a We'll have very very strict enforcement

291
00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,600
Speaker 3: on speed limits, so there'll be a big differential to

292
00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,680
Speaker 3: encourage you to use a road rather than the full paths.

293
00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,440
Speaker 1: But who's going to enforce that. You're not going to

294
00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,840
Speaker 1: have police with speed guns on footpaths? Are you? Who's

295
00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:12,760
Speaker 1: going to enforce that?

296
00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,520
Speaker 3: Saftistraying police force? And police do enforce it now, I mean,

297
00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,320
Speaker 3: and this is this is this is the point I

298
00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,120
Speaker 3: mean we need enforcement now, we need believe. If you want,

299
00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,440
Speaker 3: if you if you want, if you want the government

300
00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,520
Speaker 3: to ensure every aspect using the taxpayer, of every aspect

301
00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,560
Speaker 3: of your life, no old will take out any personal insurance.

302
00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,840
Speaker 3: And this is this is the crazy thing about the

303
00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,600
Speaker 3: Liberal Party today. Six months ago they were demanding that

304
00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,400
Speaker 3: we legalize this with no increase of registration costs, and

305
00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,800
Speaker 3: six months later they're saying no, no, no, it can't

306
00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,400
Speaker 3: pass unless we put up everyone's registration costs to cover

307
00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,440
Speaker 3: the cost of it. Well, we're not going to have

308
00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,080
Speaker 3: it both ways. So if the Liberal Party insist on this,

309
00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,680
Speaker 3: this legislation will fail because we're not increasing people's registration

310
00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,400
Speaker 3: costs to cover the costs of thesecooters. That is not

311
00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,520
Speaker 3: fair on to risk and I won't do it.

312
00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,200
Speaker 1: You've said you'll supply costings on this. Are you still

313
00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:04,800
Speaker 1: going to do that?

314
00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,720
Speaker 3: Well, it's very too good to get these costumes. When

315
00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,880
Speaker 3: we ask the actuarys at motor Registration what are the

316
00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,240
Speaker 3: costs there are four insurances of compulsion, fair party premiums.

317
00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,200
Speaker 3: They'll all come up with different scenarios. It's very hard

318
00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,600
Speaker 3: to estimate it and it will be based on what

319
00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,040
Speaker 3: actually happens now. I am very concerned that this could

320
00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,000
Speaker 3: be one of those risk averse actuaries who come up

321
00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,840
Speaker 3: with a very high number initially when we're stuck with

322
00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,080
Speaker 3: higher registration fees for a period of time until they

323
00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,080
Speaker 3: get some actual data. The opposition of playing with fire

324
00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,480
Speaker 3: here people can't afford registration increases on compulsion fair party premiums.

325
00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,080
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what they're thinking, and I'm not sure

326
00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,640
Speaker 3: why they're so committed to this when six months ago

327
00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,120
Speaker 3: they were demanding of us that we do the opposite.

328
00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,440
Speaker 1: Just before I let you go. And on a different topic,

329
00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,720
Speaker 1: I spoke with rachel Leicao earlier this morning. I know

330
00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,080
Speaker 1: you'd be aware of the story because it's in the paper.

331
00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen it. But as a visually, person

332
00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,360
Speaker 1: who was into state can't use the card, has got

333
00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,760
Speaker 1: hold of paper vouchers to use interstate in taxis. As

334
00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,760
Speaker 1: she would hear it, Kabby in Brisbane says, this is

335
00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,800
Speaker 1: old fashioned. We need a card. It's got to be

336
00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,200
Speaker 1: for our system, surely, she's saying. And I completely agree,

337
00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,239
Speaker 1: and you'd be happy to know, I suggested, I'm sure

338
00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,800
Speaker 1: you'd love to take this up on her behalf and

339
00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,520
Speaker 1: behalf of visually impaired people. Surely we need a national system.

340
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,600
Speaker 3: You'd think so, wouldn't you. Matthew. It's how offensive to

341
00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,320
Speaker 3: work to not accept that, and we do have mutual

342
00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,479
Speaker 3: recognition across our states. I'll chase that up, and if

343
00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,800
Speaker 3: your producer offline can give me the details, I'll chase

344
00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:37,879
Speaker 3: it up for you can get back to you in

345
00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:38,320
Speaker 3: the program.

346
00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,320
Speaker 1: All right, terrific. I'll put you on hold. Thank you

347
00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,639
Speaker 1: for your time this morning, and to Ben Hood, to

348
00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,879
Speaker 1: the Shadow Transport Minister, on the issue of e scooters.