WEBVTT - Sharri | 28 January 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:08.280 Live on Sky News. This is Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:09.200 Welcome to the show. 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.520 Coming up tonight, my exclusive on the road with police 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.840 Strike Force Pearl, set up to investigate the wave of 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:25.680 terror on our streets. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:28.880 I'll bring you that in just a moment. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.680 Also on the show, China's new version of chat GPT 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:37.880 Cosfort Taiwan to be returned and at malfunctions when questioned 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.880 on the persecution of the wigas James Patterson would join 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.800 me a bit later, Plus the top secret intelligence the 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.239 CIA holds on the origins of COVID. I'll speak with 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.519 COVID investigator David Asher, and tonight I'll be joined by 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.720 Sophie Ellsworth who'll show us how the world leaders commemorated 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:02.680 at Ashwitz Berkenal. But first tonight, let's start with this 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:08.760 very special report. For fifteen months, Australians have been bewildered 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:14.880 and angry as racism, hatred and violence exploded in our country. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:20.480 We've begged politicians and law enforcement for action as the 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.360 fear and the attacks escalated. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.400 I sat down for an in depth. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.760 And exclusive interview with New South Wales Police Force Counter 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:34.800 Terrorism and Special Tactics Commander Assistant Commissioner Mark Walton Strike 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.240 Force Pearl also took me out on the road. Have 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.520 a look at this report and tell me what you 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.840 think about how the police are handling this. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:45.000 Here it is. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.200 We all want to know why this is occurrent. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.720 We'll catch that. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.160 Do you concede there should have been action taken that much? 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.040 From the vile threats against Jews at the Opera House, 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:22.480 to the torching of cars and hate field graffiti in 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.880 Sydney's East to attacks on the homes of Jewish leaders 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:34.800 and even the firebombing of a childcare center. Assistant Commissioner 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.440 Mark Walton is tasked with bringing this scourge of criminal 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:43.520 anti semitism in New South Wales under control. Doesn't seem 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.079 to be escalating to you. It started with anti Semitic 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:52.000 rhetoric on the streets. Now we're seeing vandalism, cars torched, 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:53.280 even homes threatened. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.480 We've really seen an escalation since October last year. From 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:04.200 October October twenty four, yes, there's been a compressed number 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.000 of incidents, which is extremely concerning both to the police 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.040 and the community in the community at large. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:15.320 For Australia's Jewish community, the fear being felt now started 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.639 at the Opera House after October seven, compounded by police 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:24.320 failures to either stop the hate field protest or make 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.639 any arrests. Was it a mistake by New South Wales 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.880 police to let the Palestinian activists freely march on the 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:38.440 Opera House and chant antisemitic slogans, sprout hatred against Jews, 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:42.040 and burn Israeli flags on a night that was meant 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.320 to reflect solidarity with the one thy two hundred Israelis 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:47.040 who'd been killed. 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.360 Yeh, Look, it's really regrettable and I understand why the 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:57.320 community remain very upset about that occurring. But at short notice, 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:02.960 when large groups of people occur, sometimes compromises occur in 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:07.600 the interests of public safety. Yes, absolutely, with the benefit 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.600 of hindsight. Do we want that image of that protest 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.680 happening on the Opera House? Clearly not. But I'm not 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:19.000 a Monday night quarterback second guessing all the pressures that 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.480 the police were under at short notice to respond what 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:28.719 was clearly a very volatile event there with that gathering. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.640 But I think when we look at where this hatred 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.520 started and why the message was sent that antisemitism would 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.360 be tolerated, it did begin that night when there were 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:43.080 no arrests when there were flags burned, this hatred arose. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.479 Do you concede there should have been action taken that night? 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.719 We should always act if we have the evidence against 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.880 individuals to prosecute them. We're getting into a job that 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:58.599 I didn't have direct involvement with or knowledge of. As 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:03.040 I sit here today, what I can guarantee is through 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:07.440 my command area who manage the hate and engagement portion 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:12.480 of the police, every time a passage of information or 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:19.760 a complaint has come through alleging hate speech symbols, if 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:25.600 they hadn't automatically triggered action by the police, the coordination 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.440 of the assessment of that information has occurred through my unit. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.360 It has gone to our operational legal advice area, and 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:37.680 on each occasion it's been determined that it hasn't met 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.760 the threshold for the law that's applicable. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:42.760 So can I just stop you right there though you 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.480 know you're talking about it not meeting the threshold for 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.640 the law, and action can't be taken, no arrest are made. 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.120 But the ultimate picture then is that hate speech has 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.200 been tolerated on the streets of Sydney. As the Premier 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:00.280 said this week, violence begins with words. Hate speech has 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.839 been tolerated. This should never have happened. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:07.040 Words are important. I think the azo DG has often 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:12.560 said awful but lawful. The police will prosecute when there 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.480 are is sufficient evidence to do. 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.719 So, so the law needs to be changed so that 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:17.960 you can get the conviction. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.120 These are really complex legal and political questions. 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.719 But it's not that complex. If someone's chanting hatred towards 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.040 Jews on the streets of Sydney, as they were on 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.120 the steps of the Upper House. 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.799 Where's the Jews? F the Jews? 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.320 This is hate speech and anti semitism. So this has 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.800 been tolerated in Sydney by authorities. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.000 This was a mistake, surely you can see that. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.920 I don't agree that we've tolerated it, but by not 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.360 taking action, that is tolerating and taking action where we're 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.040 able to is what we will do. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.040 Hate speech has been tolerated on the streets of Sydney. 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.479 People who sprout hatred towards Jews haven't been arrested. The 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.239 hate preachers haven't been arrested. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.000 You talk about words matter and semantics. As a journalist, 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:10.080 you are well aware of one word can be interpreted 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:14.160 in many ways depending on the context. And whilst I 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:18.280 find the things that you're talking about as offensive, they 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.200 need to meet illegals. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.080 Prayers, the Jews, f the Jews. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.080 That is hate speech, that is racism, that can't be 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:27.600 interpreted in any other way. 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.680 I'm not arguing that it's hate speech but doesn't meet 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.800 a criminal threshold for the police to prosecute. That's the 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.120 question police need to determine. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.320 But then doesn't that need to be changed so that 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.760 racism hasn't become normalized in Sydney, Australia. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.800 And as I told you earlier, I'll leave that to 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:46.600 the politicians. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:51.400 Strengthening Strike Force Pearl is the result of both police 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:56.840 action and political pressure to tackle anti Semitism. 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.680 And we got to have a very high policing presence. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.320 I've been given exclusive access to join the Strikeforce unit 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:08.880 for the night patrolling the suburbs living in fear of 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:13.600 more anti Semitic attacks. Superintendent, nice to see you. Nice 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.200 to see you, So tell us where are we headed tonight? 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:21.640 Tonight we're going out into Sydney and in central Mentillpoltan, 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.720 Sydney and out into Southwest Sydney to have a look 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:29.920 at the places of worship, businesses, schools, and things like 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.960 that to make sure people are safe. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:38.520 So tonight, police officers do have photographs of some perpetrators 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:43.200 that you're looking for in relation to crimes already committed, 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.200 some of the anti Symitic crimes already committed. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.800 When you have a look down the alleyways and things, 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.319 if it's the right or yeah, a car, there was 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:52.400 somebody sitting in the car. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:55.840 What's the motivation here? 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.360 Look, I actually think it's a good word to describe 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.280 it is hate. They are career criminals that hate just 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.120 about everything other than themselves. They hate their own lives, 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.480 they hate our way of life, and they act out accordingly. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.480 Are they doing this of their own volition or are 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.160 they being paid to do it? 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:20.600 It's unclear. It's likely that there is some influence to 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.360 cause some of these people to carry out these acts, 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.160 and that's an important line of inquiry with our investigation. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.560 It is the thing that is my priority because quite naturally, 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.240 we all want to know why this is occurring. 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.600 In a way, it does give comfort that police are 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.559 making arrests. Ten people have now been arrested. But you're 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.880 sitting here and saying you have no idea, who's ultimately 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.840 behind it, who's paying them? That is still a serious 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:48.920 concern if. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.200 Something's keeping me up at night. It's just that we 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.920 need to try and determine what the motive is. If 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.960 we have people that are coordinating and directing these actions, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.240 why are they doing that. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.200 The attack on Alex Rivchin's farmer home, he's a well 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:09.160 known Jewish community leader. The Premier Chris Mins told me 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:13.640 this week that he believed that was targeted. Do you 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.679 agree with that and if so, does this mean that 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.160 high profile members of the Jewish community have reason to 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.679 feel concerned for their own security. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.040 I have little doubt that that was a targeted attack. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.920 It would be foolish to suggest otherwise. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.720 So very succinctly is their reason for high profile members 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.160 of the Jewish community not to feel safe. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.559 It's fair to say everyone should be concerned about what's 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:43.600 been occurring, and those that have a profile would naturally 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:44.679 feel more vulnerable. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.280 We're just meters away from where the recent. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:15.120 Dover heights at Tapka, and now the police controlling and 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.640 doing surveillance on the eastern suburbs to make sure that 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.120 there are no more anti Semitic attacks. 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.719 So Superintendent We're in Dover Height, just meters from. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.400 Here was the attack on Alex Ripchen's former home. 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.600 Polair is doing surveillance in this area and right across 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:36.920 the decent suburbs. Is that right. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.560 They've got an amazing capability so when if something happens 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.600 and they're in the sky, they will find them. They 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.679 will direct police to where those people are and we 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:45.800 will catch them. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.320 Incredible, so we can feel very safe with this in the. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:49.880 Yes, very safe. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.880 It is positive action from the police and should be welcomed. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.760 But it comes in stark contrast to the policing of 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:07.679 many pro Palestinian protests. This one outside the Great Synagogue 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:12.000 in Sydney was allowed to continue and the only arrest 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:16.520 was that of a lone pro Israel supporter. How can 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.080 it be that a single Jew is arrested instead of 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:25.520 the hundreds of aggressive pro Palestinian protesters. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.160 I'm not involved, nor do I have direct knowledge of those, 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.880 but there's a requirement for police to deal with public safety, 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:38.080 and I suspect the decision was made in the interest 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:42.640 of public safety of all the people there, to try 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.640 and avoid an escalation of conflict in those circumstances. 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:48.480 Morally, that's wrong. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.520 Isn't it to arrest the single Jew rather than deal 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:52.720 with the rabid mob. 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:53.360 Yeah? 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.439 Look, cops have got to be practical. They've got to 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.640 make decisions on the spot. They don't have the benefit 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:04.840 of hindsight and video review and lawyers telling them down 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:05.280 the track. 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.240 But you don't need all of that to see that 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.080 there's an angry mob chanting hateful things and one Jew 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:12.640 holding an Israeli flat. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:18.400 Yeah. Look, I think I've said enough on the one. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.680 We're here outside Marubra Synagogue, which is just down the 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.240 road from the childcare center that was firebombed a week ago, 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.640 and this is now an area where police are focusing on. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:36.440 They're doing regular surveillance to make sure everything's safe. This 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.679 is a wave of domestic terror, isn't it. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:44.080 Look it's terror, but is it terrorism? So everything that 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:48.160 we investigate, we gather the evidence, and if there's a 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:54.800 potential for terrorism charges, they will be considered and prosecuted. 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:59.120 Have any of the instances so far the anti Semitic 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.600 attacks been labeled by police terrorism offenses? 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:05.080 Why? 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.880 Because, as I've said, we need the evidence to meet 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:13.839 the standards. The proofs that are involved in those terrorism offenses. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:20.280 The Jewish community is being terrorized. There is an ideological 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.680 element to it. The graffiti that's anti Semitic, the swastik 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:29.400 is So why isn't it being considered terrorism offensive? 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.040 I didn't say it wasn't being I'm saying it's terror. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:36.040 But we then it's another thing to move to a 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:37.960 terrorism offense. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:43.640 In terms of sentencing, we saw a judge give a 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.400 ten month sentence for one of the perpetrators of the 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.040 bondei Arsen attack. It must be very disappointing for you 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.320 when police got the effort of tracking down these people 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.800 only to have a light ten month sentence. 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.280 I probably have a much firm of you on on 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:07.640 how we should punish and deter then what we often 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.120 see as an outcome. 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.520 So we're at a Jewish school, Now, what sort of 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:17.400 things do you look for? 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.400 Any abnormality, anything out of the ordinary, especially people hanging around, 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.000 suspecious cars, vehicles, stuff like that, and also just looking 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.600 into the venue to see of anything out of the 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:29.560 ordinary that's in there. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.760 I mean, while we've just been standing here, I've seen 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.960 two police cars drive past. So it does give you 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.560 a lot of confidence that there are police on the 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.760 street patrolling the areas at the moment. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.520 Yeah, definitely one hundred percent. Where tart to these areas 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.200 a lot. So you know, just maintain that public safety 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.880 and give the community bit of resurances that they're out there. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:49.920 We just want to go back to the broader concept again. 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.840 If the premiere has said that the violence begins with words, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.200 if you've acknowledged the same, we all acknowledge people don't 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:02.120 immediately commit a violent attack begins with words, It begins 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.840 with a feeling of anger towards the Jewish community. 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:06.920 Then instead of police stepping. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.080 In when it's escalated to the point where there's a 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.040 wave of violent attacks across the city, wouldn't it be 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.880 better to nip it in the bud right at. 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:20.880 The start, so long as we have an appropriate offense 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:25.880 to deal with. And look, I'm know constitutional lawyer at all, 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:31.520 but a foundation of the Australian constitution is a freedom 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.200 of speech. And I think this is where it becomes 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:40.360 very complex that things that are being said, some people 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.720 will say they have a right to express an opinion. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.120 You and I might find that offensive and others may not. 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:51.640 It's the law, the league, the whole legal system that 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.280 we need to need to rely upon and if the 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.040 law needs to change. The premiers on record as to 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:03.480 considering that. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.080 It's clear police are putting enormous resources into fighting this 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.399 wave of violent crime targeted at. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:12.320 The Jewish community. 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.440 They're doing it from the air, on the ground, foot, 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.000 patrols taking every effort. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:19.880 To try and keep the community safe. 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.919 The police are throwing resources at it, and yet still 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.399 the attacks are happening. We had two in the past week. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:29.960 What's your message to everyone. 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.880 We're locking them up, We're coming to get them and 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.639 we will. We will resolve this current threat. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:38.840 All right. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.359 Well, Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson is on my 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.760 show tonight and I'm going to speak to him about 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.440 what we just saw about the messages we heard. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:48.040 From the police. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.000 Are they doing enough? Does he think the law needs 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.280 to change? So his reaction is coming up. And also 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.359 on the show tonight, Don't Forget COVID Investigator, a top 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.479 COVID investigator for the US State Department. He details what 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:05.919 type of top secret intelligence the CIA has in its possession. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.800 That's all to come, but first I want to turn 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:13.480 to a story that made Global News today Deep Seek 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:19.240 Now the space race between Russia and America defined the sixties. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:20.600 Now it's the. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.879 AI tech race which will define the next decade. And 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:29.040 this time there was between China and America. There's been 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:33.600 a global frenzy today as a Chinese artificial intelligence company 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.399 became the most downloaded free app on Apple's iPhone store 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.560 in the US. It's called deep Seek and basically it's 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.600 the Chinese version of chat GPT, and if you believe 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:51.000 the hype, which is almost certainly exaggerated, it's faster and 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:56.280 cheaper and even better than similar American AI tech. Now. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.840 President Donald Trump today said this is a wake up 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:00.520 call for America can tech. 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:06.600 The release of deep Seek AI from a Chinese company 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.280 should be a wake up call for our industries that 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.399 we need to be laser focused on competing to win 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.240 because we have the greatest scientists in the world. Even 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.440 Chinese leadership told me that, well, this is very unusual 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.919 when you hear a deep Seek, when you hear somebody 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.440 come up with something. We always have the ideas, we're 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:24.119 always first. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.040 Yeah, this is big news, and it's not only a 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.720 wake up call for the tech sector, but there's a 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.240 whole can of worms about what's being censored on this 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.760 app that, as I said, is now number one in 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.840 the US. Our sky News digital team has revealed that 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:46.480 the AI deep Seek malfunctioned when asked about the persecuted 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:51.000 minority group the Wigas, which China forces into slave labor, 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.679 and Deep Seak also gave an initial answer about the 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.679 group's history where they spoke about its culture and they 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:03.560 did admit controversies surrounding the Chinese government's treatment of the Wigas, and. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.400 That's what you're seeing on the screen now. 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:10.240 But then it scrapped that answer completely and it asked 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.000 the user to search for something else. So the message 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:17.480 that came up was sorry, that's beyond my current scope. 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.399 Let's talk about something else. 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:25.920 That's about the Wigas extraordinary, that is real censorship now. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:27.040 Then deep seek. 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.000 App was also asked by our Sky News digital journalists 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.800 about Australian journalist Cheng Lay. She's now my colleague here 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:37.600 at Sky News. She was imprisoned in China on bogus 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.160 spying charges before she was released back to her family 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:46.000 last year. But when asked about her, Deep Seek said, 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.159 and I'm quoting now. As of my last update in 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:53.160 October twenty twenty three, there has been no official confirmation of. 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:54.520 Cheng Lei's release. 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.919 And when Deep Seak was asked whether Taiwan is independent, 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.960 the app said, and I'm quoting here, any discourse on 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:08.239 Taiwan's independence is a serious challenge to China's sovereignty and 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.119 territorial integrity, and it will not be recognized by the 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:16.959 international community. And as you know, there are concerns that 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:21.240 China is planning to invade Taiwan in the coming years. 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:26.520 So this app, along with the Chinese Ai tech space, 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.440 and as it continues to get bigger and explode, there 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.440 are going to be serious concerns about censorship and free 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.800 speech because it is being used by Americans. 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:38.800 Now. 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.119 The news of Deep six surge shocked America, especially the 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.840 business sector. And have a look at the impact it 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.520 had on the closest US rival, Navidia, which was the 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:52.160 most valuable company on America's stock market just. 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:52.760 A day ago. 0:21:55.800 --> 0:22:00.000 Its value plunged of almost seventeen percent. About one trillion 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.199 Aussie dollars was wiped off the value of Nvidia, or 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.960 six hundred billion US dollars. And just for context, BHP 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.320 is worth two hundred billion Aussie dollars, So it's the 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:13.040 equivalent of five bhps just wiped out in a couple 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.920 of hours of trading on the Nasdaq Exchange. It's all 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:20.680 due to this new Chinese AI at chatbot called deep Seek, 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.239 which was kicked off on the tenth of January, and 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:25.399 it's now gone through a couple of different phases and 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.480 is becoming very popular in America. 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:32.480 So all in all, the Nasdaq index closed three percent lower, 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.560 and in Australia our tech sector was hit as well, 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:40.359 with some stocks falling by up to ten percent. Now, 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:44.320 this Chinese tech deep Seek has been created by a 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:49.280 genius described in Metea articles today as a nerdy billionaire with. 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:50.920 A terrible hairstyle. 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.240 Deep Seiek's founder, Liang wen Fang, has become somewhat of 0:22:55.280 --> 0:23:00.800 a hero in China. Deep Seek supposedly created its own 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:04.399 an AI assistant for a far lower price, in a 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:08.640 shorter timeframe and with fewer chips. Now these chips are 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:12.800 powerful AI chips that are used to operate AI, and 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:16.119 the claim is that deep Seek's AI model can. 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.359 Even rationalize and reason better. 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:21.280 Deep Seek is. 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.919 The brainchild of a small group of researchers working for 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.560 a Chinese head fund manager that have been able to 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:30.320 produce technology that is on par with Open Ai and Google, 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:34.000 even though those companies are sinking billions of dollars and 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:35.440 years into development. 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:36.520 Meanwhile, Deep Seak. 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:37.119 Did it for cheaper. 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.160 This is an AI model that reasons so it can 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:43.640 do complex problem solving. It thinks through the problem essentially. 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:48.480 So deep Seak claims it only uses two hundred and 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:52.639 fifty chips. Eat On mascas question this, and of course 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:57.919 we should all be skeptical about China's transparency, and we 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:01.040 know that America had been trying to put strangleholds on 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:06.280 chips and other technology being exported to China. Now, Trump's 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.040 own tech guru, David sachs you might listen. 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:09.560 To his podcast. 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:13.200 He says AI is going to get even more competitive 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:17.840 between countries, and Mark Andreson warns that this is AI's 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:22.320 Sputnik moment, in reference to the Soviet Union's nineteen fifty 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:27.919 seven Earth satellite launch that shocked America. In AI, China 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.760 has shown that it does intend to be a serious player. 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:35.040 There were already concerns about the risks of AI just 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:39.719 under control of the West. Now having an nefarious player 0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:44.040 like China involved in the AI race It's just another 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:45.280 thing to worry about. 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:49.480 Okay. 0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:51.919