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Speaker 1: Caerman Peter Costello has resigned from the board of the

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Speaker 1: A body has been found on the Greek Island see Me,

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Speaker 1: where a major search is underway for British TV doctor

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Speaker 1: Michael Moseley. The remains were found by occupants of a

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Speaker 1: private boat on the Rocky coastline near an intricate cave

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Speaker 1: system known as the Abyss. An umbrella was also discovered nearby.

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Speaker 1: Local police believe the body belongs to Moseley, who disappeared

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Speaker 1: during a walk on Wednesday afternoon. CCTV captured footage of

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Speaker 1: Moseley carrying an umbrella before he vanished. Israeli troops pulled

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Speaker 1: off a daring rescue mission over the weekend, reuniting four

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Speaker 1: in Israel. In today's episode, The Australian's Foreign editor Greg

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Speaker 1: Sheridan unpacks what this means for the Middle East and

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Speaker 1: hopes of a permanency's fire deal between Israel and Hamas.

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Speaker 2: Jakove Aashel Noa.

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Speaker 1: On Saturday afternoon local time, an anchor broke the news

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Speaker 1: on Israeli TV four civilians held captive for eight long

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Speaker 1: where it was twenty six degrees and sunny. The reaction

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Speaker 1: and complex. Hostages were spread out across two apartment blocks

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Speaker 1: military's chief of staff, Hertzi Helevi, gave the order it

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Speaker 1: They are Andre Koslov and Shlamiziv, who were both working

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Speaker 3: Noah Agamani has become a symbol of Israel's hostages being

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Speaker 1: The daring rescue comes at a crucial moment for Israel,

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Speaker 1: Palestinian civilians become collateral damage in Israel's pursuit of Hamas.

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Speaker 4: It's an extraordinarily successful operation by the Israeli commandos.

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Speaker 4: Israelis have found it very difficult to conduct this type

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Speaker 1: For months now, negotiators from Kata, Egypt, and the United

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Speaker 1: in Gaza, and for months now a deal has been elusive.

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Speaker 1: On May thirty one, US President Joe Biden proposed a

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Speaker 5: I know there are those in Israel who will not

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Speaker 5: not a priority to them. Well, I've urged leadership Isuel

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Speaker 1: Hamas said its enemy's position is unclear. So where do

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Speaker 4: The American Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln, the American National

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Speaker 4: terrific plan, but it relies on a lot of things

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Speaker 4: think it's analytically, politically, and morally quite wrong to equate

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Speaker 4: I do think there is something dysfunctional about Netnyahu's position

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Speaker 1: Coming up the high human cost of Israel's risky rescue missions.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back after this break. When Hamas launched its

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Speaker 1: we will keep fighting until one hundred and twenty hostages

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Speaker 2: That's not the way we can win one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty ostges back home. We must all of us together

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Speaker 2: the wards, follow President Biden speech and go with the deal.

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Speaker 1: The human cost of these kinds of operations is high.

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Speaker 1: Representatives for Hamas said at least two hundred and ten

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Speaker 1: and hundreds more were wounded. It's not known how many

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Speaker 3: An endless cycle of dead and wounded rushed into Alaxamata's

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Speaker 1: So for how much longer will the end justify the means?

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Speaker 4: Israel will have to make the calculation itself how much

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Speaker 4: the military imperative of destroying Hummas weighs against the success

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Speaker 4: these deaths are a terrible tragedy. We mustn't be casual

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Speaker 4: on the Earth, including Australia, which would not respond strongly

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Speaker 4: as hostages. How long can they do it? Well, of course,

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Speaker 4: until they get their hostages back. I mean, all of

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Speaker 4: violence could stop tomorrow if Hamas released the hostages. I

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Speaker 4: don't think that the Israelis will give up on their hostages.

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Speaker 4: And it's a very very difficult conflict to predict because

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Speaker 4: you see, Hammas doesn't really operate by rational or moral

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Speaker 4: I mean, Hamas is absolutely indifferent to the suffering of

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Speaker 4: which more or less necessitate a strong Israeli military response.

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Speaker 4: I certainly believe, as the late Australian soldier Jim Molan

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Speaker 4: as any Western army would in these circumstances, tries hard

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Speaker 4: to reduce civilian casualties. But that's not to deny that

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Speaker 4: the political campaign against Israelia has been tremendously effective, and

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Speaker 4: it's been presented as a monster when it is a

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Speaker 4: the most depraved and savage and barbaric terrorists we've seen

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