Speaker 1: Why On Sky News, Vinus.
Speaker 2: Is Sharry.
Speaker 3: Good Evening Tonight. Los Angeles is in the middle of
Speaker 3: another night of chaos as riots engulf the city. We'll
Speaker 3: have the latest details as the city's left wing leaders
Speaker 3: spend more time fighting Trump than the rioters. Add It's
Speaker 3: so long farewell to Gretathunberg as she's deported from Israel
Speaker 3: this after she refused to watch the October seven footage
Speaker 3: showing just how morally bankruptcy is well. Paul Kelly saw
Speaker 3: that vision in Israel recently, and he'll join me on
Speaker 3: the show tonight. Will the Coalition oppose net zero? Shadow
Speaker 3: Energy Minister Dantean will be here shortly. The Albanezy government
Speaker 3: bans an American Jewish tech entrepreneur from entering our country,
Speaker 3: yet turns a blind eye to hate preachers. Why has
Speaker 3: it been left to Jewish groups to take court action
Speaker 3: from Ambishop Calibond will be here to discuss. Plus controversy
Speaker 3: over China's plans to build a super embassy, and the
Speaker 3: breaking news tonight that the ABC is set to dump.
Speaker 4: Q and A.
Speaker 3: Will anyone miss it?
Speaker 4: That's all coming up, but let's.
Speaker 3: Start with Marines, who are right now moving into guard
Speaker 3: federal buildings in Los Angeles after four days of chaos
Speaker 3: and violence. These scenes have been despicable and embarrassing for
Speaker 3: this world famous city. American flag satellite cars torched and looting.
Speaker 3: Masked men were filmed throwing rocks and fireworks while activists
Speaker 3: occupied a freeway, lit fires and cause total disarray. This
Speaker 3: is the very picture of lawlessness and mass havoc.
Speaker 5: Cars on fire and tensions inflamed, emotions stoked by the
Speaker 5: President's decision to deploy the military. Here the Mexican flag
Speaker 5: is flying and anger directed at ICE, the Immigrations and
Speaker 5: Customs Enforcement Agency after a series of raids.
Speaker 3: And the MAYHEMI wrapted on Friday in response, as you
Speaker 3: just heard, to a small ICE operation to deport I
Speaker 3: legal immigrants involved in money laundering and tax evasion along
Speaker 3: with other criminals, and it escalated from there. First two
Speaker 3: thousand National Guards took to the streets to help keep
Speaker 3: the peace. That number was then doubled, and now Trump
Speaker 3: has deployed seven hundred marines to help protect the city.
Speaker 3: But what's been so bizarre about this is the response
Speaker 3: from Democrat politicians and much of the media. Instead of
Speaker 3: shutting down the crime and telling the protesters to get
Speaker 3: into line. The blame is squarely directed toward the president
Speaker 3: of the United States. Yep, the Democrats and the media
Speaker 3: are blaming the deployment of the National Guards for the
Speaker 3: escalation in violence. Here's Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass saying
Speaker 3: that the extra manpower isn't needed.
Speaker 6: I was trying to make the case that the National
Speaker 6: Guard was not needed here. I was trying to make
Speaker 6: the case that the National Guard came here, it would
Speaker 6: be a provocative move and it would be like a
Speaker 6: deliberate attempt to create disorder and kios in our city.
Speaker 3: So instead of shutting down the protests in her own city,
Speaker 3: the mayor is telling the LAPD and the National Guard that.
Speaker 4: They're not needed.
Speaker 3: It's a wild idea of restoring order by asking the
Speaker 3: police the law enforcement to stand down. Kamala Harris has
Speaker 3: also accused Trump of provoking chaos by deploying the National Guard.
Speaker 3: She said on social media, in addition to the recent
Speaker 3: ice raids in southern California and across our nation, it
Speaker 3: is part of the Trump administration's all calculated agenda to
Speaker 3: spread panic and division and then completely absurdly. She even
Speaker 3: claimed the protests have been peaceful. She said protest is
Speaker 3: a powerful tool essential in the fight for justice, and
Speaker 3: as the LAPD mayor and governor have noted, demonstrations in
Speaker 3: defense of our immigrant neighbors have been overwhelmingly peaceful. I mean,
Speaker 3: just wow, that is a ludicrous claim that's easily fact
Speaker 3: checked as being one hundred percent wrong. Kamala Harris only
Speaker 3: needs to turn on the news to see just how
Speaker 3: peaceful the protests have been. Bort Us tom Homan said
Speaker 3: it was wrong to suggest these protests were in any
Speaker 3: way peaceful, and he called out the Californian leadership for
Speaker 3: sitting on their hands.
Speaker 7: I was there first two nights. It was out of control,
Speaker 7: the city was burning. Governor Newsom did nothing. The mayor
Speaker 7: did nothing. So President Trump, God bless him. He sent
Speaker 7: in the National Garden to save property and saved lives,
Speaker 7: and I assume for doing it.
Speaker 3: But this is so highly political that California Governor Gavin
Speaker 3: Newsom even claims that Trump wants a civil war on
Speaker 3: the streets of America. And Trump then returned fire by
Speaker 3: saying the governor is not only grossly incompetent, but he
Speaker 3: even appeared to suggest that he could be arrested, and
Speaker 3: that was in response to questions from journalists.
Speaker 2: That's not what.
Speaker 4: Trump is after.
Speaker 2: He's not for peacemaking.
Speaker 3: He's here for war.
Speaker 2: It's a civil war on the streets.
Speaker 3: So because Trump is refusing to back down on his
Speaker 3: decision to deport illegal immigrants, and because he's standing firm
Speaker 3: on sending in law enforcement, he's now being blamed for
Speaker 3: inciting violence and abusing power. This is typical. It's not
Speaker 3: the fault of the rabid mob, but it's Trump's fault
Speaker 3: for calling in reinforcements to ensure security. Now, the President
Speaker 3: pledged over and over again to crack down on illegal immigrants.
Speaker 3: It was a major policy he campaigned on during the
Speaker 3: presidential election. He couldn't have been clearer about this.
Speaker 1: Now, I will stop the criminal invasion of our country,
Speaker 1: the biggest problem we have right now, and I will
Speaker 1: bring back the American dream.
Speaker 3: So, whether you like his policy or not agree with
Speaker 3: him or not, he does have a mandate to do this.
Speaker 3: Foreign editor in The Australian, Greg Sheridan pointed out today
Speaker 3: that Barack Obama deported more people than Trump did in
Speaker 3: his first term. He writes that Obama deported almost four
Speaker 3: hundred thousand people in twenty ten. He says half had
Speaker 3: no criminal convictions, and Sheridan writes the Obama administration also
Speaker 3: took tough action against businesses that knowingly employed illegal aliens.
Speaker 3: So it's okay if Obama does it, but a crime
Speaker 3: against humanity, crying to Heaven for vengeance if Trump does it.
Speaker 3: And Sheridan also says that illegal immigration has run beyond
Speaker 3: the control of democratic politics in the West and it
Speaker 3: is a deep crisis in many countries. He writes, the
Speaker 3: conventional center left has essentially taken a lawless.
Speaker 4: Approach to the issue, and I think that's.
Speaker 3: The core of the problem. That's what's led.
Speaker 4: Us to where we are now.
Speaker 3: Not only is California a sanctuary state, but it's been
Speaker 3: let down by its own left leaning, soft on crime
Speaker 3: leadership over such a long period of time that the
Speaker 3: entire cities in disarray, and it's become in some cases
Speaker 3: in some areas, an unpalatable place to live. The wok
Speaker 3: agenda has killed it. And it's these conditions that have
Speaker 3: meant that criminals and protesters don't think they have to
Speaker 3: obey the law, that it wouldn't be enforced anyway, and
Speaker 3: that they're within their rights to run riot and loot stores.
Speaker 3: But of course, the other issue is that while Trump
Speaker 3: does have a legitimate claim to deport to legal immigrants
Speaker 3: as he said he was going to do, we're just
Speaker 3: seeing constant chaos during his presidency. These riots, the trade
Speaker 3: tariff uproar, the fight with Elon Musk, the oval office
Speaker 3: spectacle with President Zelenski. It's an administration that seems to
Speaker 3: thrive on drama. In a world teetering on uncertainty, more
Speaker 3: stability and calm authority would not just be welcome, but
Speaker 3: it'd be the smartest move from the president going forward.
Speaker 3: And it's so long, farewell, farewell, and goodbye to Gretathunberg
Speaker 3: as she's shown the door by Israel and officially deported
Speaker 3: out of the country. As you may have heard, Greta
Speaker 3: Thunberg has refused to watch the forty five minutes of
Speaker 3: footage of hermas massacring innocent Israeli families on October seven,
Speaker 3: And that tells you everything you need to know about
Speaker 3: Greta and her group of self obsessed attention seekers, because
Speaker 3: that footage shows children being murdered in their cots, women
Speaker 3: being mutilated and parents being killed right in front of
Speaker 3: their loved ones. It's too graphic to broadcast on NAN
Speaker 3: and I do think that's a shame. But one of
Speaker 3: my guests tonight, the Australians Editor at Large, Paul Kelly,
Speaker 3: watched it just over a week ago when he was
Speaker 3: in Israel, and I'm going to speak to him about
Speaker 3: his trip shortly. But watching that footage would mean that
Speaker 3: Greta Thunberg would have to face the reality that Israel
Speaker 3: is trying to defeat her muss a terror group that
Speaker 3: committed an unfathomable genocide and barbaric atrocities on October seven,
Speaker 3: and that ever since then, Israel has been desperately trying
Speaker 3: to bring home the two hundred and fifty innocent people
Speaker 3: taken hostage. Kidnapped, yes, actually kidnapped, not kidnapped like Greta
Speaker 3: claims she was kidnapped when she was given a sandwich
Speaker 3: and water and brought to safety, but kidnapped like Shiri
Speaker 3: Bibas was as she was dragged away from her home
Speaker 3: while desperately trying to keep her two beautiful babies, Kafir
Speaker 3: and Ariel safe. As you know, they were then murdered
Speaker 3: by her mus the children killed by bare hands. Palestinian
Speaker 3: families had a fun day out, celebrating as the coffins
Speaker 3: were paraded on a her Musk stage in a murderous,
Speaker 3: grotesque spectacle. We all cried when their bodies were brought
Speaker 3: home to Israel. That is what it looks like to
Speaker 3: be actually kidnapped. Mia Chem knows something about kidnapping two,
Speaker 3: as does Elie Sharabi and Rachel and John Goldberg Pollen.
Speaker 3: It's an insult that Greta claimed she'd been kidnapped, and
Speaker 3: now today it's emerged that one of the figures behind
Speaker 3: Greta's flotilla may have ties to her. Muss Zaharbarawi had
Speaker 3: been accused in the UK and in Israel of being
Speaker 3: a Hermas operative, and he's one of the organizers of
Speaker 3: that freedom flotilla coalition. Now Birawi denies this, but British
Speaker 3: Labor and p Christian Wakeford accused Burrawi in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: three under parliamentary privilege of being a Hermas operative. He
Speaker 3: also claimed he'd hosted an event in London called Understanding Hermas,
Speaker 3: and as you can see, he's been photographed with Ismael Honeyer.
Speaker 3: That's Hermas's former political leader who was killed in that
Speaker 3: famous attack by Israel in Tehran last year. Now this
Speaker 3: isn't surprising to learn of the likely or possible connections
Speaker 3: to hamas anyone campaigning so strongly for Israel's destruction is
Speaker 3: only doing so to the benefit of a terror group.
Speaker 3: And as for Greta and her crew, well, they've been
Speaker 3: sent home from Israel having achieved absolutely nothing except for
Speaker 3: humiliating themselves on the world stage. Their self indulgent virtue
Speaker 3: signaling publicity trip is now over, and the tiny, inconsequential
Speaker 3: amount of aid they brought in will make no difference
Speaker 3: to the millions of meals Israel is handing out directly
Speaker 3: to Palestinians, free from the problematic intervention of the United Nations,
Speaker 3: which only served to prop up her muss. But as
Speaker 3: I said last night, hatred of Israel and by extension,
Speaker 3: Israeli's and Jews is becoming fashionable in left wing media
Speaker 3: and political circles. The hatred driven by distorted narratives, propaganda
Speaker 3: and false claims. It would have been wise for Greta
Speaker 3: and her group to actually watch the footage of what
Speaker 3: unfolded on October seven, But that would have been confronting reality,
Speaker 3: which she and others on the left are loath to do.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: We spoke last night about how the alban Eezy government
Speaker 3: has banned American tech entrepreneur Hillel Food from coming to Australia.
Speaker 3: They claim this is because of hate speech, despite the
Speaker 3: fact he told me last night he planned to speak
Speaker 3: about innovation.
Speaker 8: The topic of my talk wasn't even politics or anything
Speaker 8: to do with gods or anything like that. I was
Speaker 8: there to talk about how Israel and Israeli innovation is
Speaker 8: changing the world and making the word a better place.
Speaker 8: What's inflammatory about that?
Speaker 3: Exactly? So, Tony Burt cancels this highly respected businessman's visa,
Speaker 3: yet has not lifted a finger to deal with hate preachers,
Speaker 3: some of whom are in his own electorate. Instead, it's
Speaker 3: been left to Jewish groups to take civil action in court.
Speaker 3: Australia's racial vilification speech laws will now be put to
Speaker 3: the test. The Executive Council of Australian Jury's case against
Speaker 3: hate preacher with some Haddad began in court today.
Speaker 9: The court heard the preacher delivered five speeches in November
Speaker 9: twenty twenty three, in which he's accused of preaching section
Speaker 9: eighteen c of the Racial Vilification Act because they were
Speaker 9: reasonably likely to offend, insult, to humiliate or intimidate Australian Jews.
Speaker 9: In one speech played to the court, Jews are described
Speaker 9: as mischievous, that they have their hands everywhere in business media,
Speaker 9: and he preached about Muslims killing Jews towards the.
Speaker 10: End the times, when the Muslims will be fighting the Jews,
Speaker 10: the trees will speak, the soul will speak, and they'll say, oh, Muslim,
Speaker 10: O believer, there is a Yahudi behind me, Come and
Speaker 10: kill him.
Speaker 3: I mean, surely it shouldn't be left to Jewish groups
Speaker 3: to take and fund action here. Yet this is how
Speaker 3: weak our leadership is in US Astralia. Now to further
Speaker 3: discuss this, let's bring in now the former Speaker of
Speaker 3: the House Brhman Bishop and Sky News host Caleb Bond.
Speaker 4: Welcome to you both, Bron.
Speaker 3: When this is so hypocritical from the Albanese government, isn't
Speaker 3: it to deny entry for three years to an American
Speaker 3: Israeli yet take no action against hate preachers?
Speaker 11: Of course it is, but right from the first instance,
Speaker 11: when they took no action at all about what happened
Speaker 11: at the opera House. Right from that moment they signaled
Speaker 11: that we're just not going to have anything to do
Speaker 11: with it, that it's somehow okay for this to go on.
Speaker 11: And it's got worse and worse. The university's taking over
Speaker 11: this mantra. And if you go back in history nineteen
Speaker 11: thirty three, himlu and Gurry knew they had to capture
Speaker 11: the youth, and they went first to the University of
Speaker 11: Frankfort because they knew that was a liberal one and
Speaker 11: if it fell over, the rest would fallover. It's exactly
Speaker 11: what happened. And so it became you use the word fashionable,
Speaker 11: it became okay, it became appreciate, years normalized, and that's
Speaker 11: what's happening in this country. And unless the government takes
Speaker 11: a strong stand, then it will continue to be normalized
Speaker 11: and our country will be torn to shreds. It just
Speaker 11: is totally unacceptable to.
Speaker 3: Have this sort of.
Speaker 11: Build up of what is so ugly, which is so
Speaker 11: destructive within our own land. To see it allowed to
Speaker 11: happen here because government simply will not take a stand
Speaker 11: so hypocritical is an almost too kind a word. It
Speaker 11: is the personification of weakness of determination to try and
Speaker 11: compromise in a situation where compromise is not welcome.
Speaker 3: I just feel like every day when it's another matter
Speaker 3: like this, I feel despair, Caleb. I mean, how can
Speaker 3: this be the case? How can this be the country
Speaker 3: we're living in? When hillel Ford is denied a visa
Speaker 3: well with.
Speaker 1: No good reason, clearly, but social division seems to be
Speaker 1: a specialty of this federal government. As Bromwin said, you know,
Speaker 1: right from the steps of the Opera House, nothing has
Speaker 1: been done, and you get to the point where you
Speaker 1: have this case now being run in the courts, and
Speaker 1: I'll declare that I've never thought aighteen c should exist,
Speaker 1: but that is the only recourse that has now been
Speaker 1: available to do anything about this. I mean, when you've
Speaker 1: got someone preaching about killing Jews, I mean, surely that
Speaker 1: is incitement to violence, and they've never taken the opportunity
Speaker 1: to go after that. So it now has to be
Speaker 1: run through the civil courts. Both the state and federal
Speaker 1: governments I think have been lax on this. They've done
Speaker 1: very little to actually stem this issue. There's been no
Speaker 1: appetite from law enforcement to charge someone and run one
Speaker 1: of these cases. And I've always argued that you have
Speaker 1: to do it, even if the case fails in court,
Speaker 1: run the criminal case and see how it goes, because
Speaker 1: if it fails, there will then be a mandate to
Speaker 1: do something about it. But no one's had the guts
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 11: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Indeed, now we've been speaking about Trump's illegal immigration, which
Speaker 3: is in the spotlight, but this fascinating story in the
Speaker 3: Financial Review today reports at one hundred and eighty three
Speaker 3: people on ten boats have arrived since the start of
Speaker 3: the financial year. This is Home Affairs data, and they
Speaker 3: say it's on track to be the highest number of
Speaker 3: boats since twenty thirteen. I mean, Ronman, this is enormous.
Speaker 3: It should be a major issue, and it's not.
Speaker 11: We need Ray Hadley back wringing the bell every boat
Speaker 11: arrives because the Labor Party has tried to cloak itself
Speaker 11: in clothing that it doesn't belong to them. They're using
Speaker 11: language that doesn't belong to them. They said, oh, yes,
Speaker 11: we've agreed with the coalition's policy or coalition government's policy,
Speaker 11: turned back the boats. The whole process that was put
Speaker 11: in place that stopped the votes, but then they started
Speaker 11: to dismantle it gently so the people didn't notice. So
Speaker 11: whenever there's an election and they know that this government
Speaker 11: is weak, the smugglers know this government is weak on
Speaker 11: the question of boat arrivals, they then start to push
Speaker 11: the envelope again. And that's exactly what's happening. So it
Speaker 11: does need to be highlighted because the more it's pushed
Speaker 11: under the carpet and not talked about every day, then
Speaker 11: it will increase.
Speaker 3: And what I think so worrying about this story Caleb
Speaker 3: in the fin Review is that they went to Tony
Speaker 3: Burke for comment and he wouldn't comments. We actually don't
Speaker 3: know what precisely has happened to these votes.
Speaker 1: Well, he's a legal voter rivals precisely. Why would they
Speaker 1: want to tell us because we might actually learn something
Speaker 1: in that and that would be bad. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to wonder how much of this goes back to
Speaker 1: the n ZYQ case as well, because if the government
Speaker 1: looks weak, people will try it on. We've had cases
Speaker 1: where people have made land and the only way we've
Speaker 1: found out about it is because the local Aboriginal people
Speaker 1: have been flying drones about and gone Oh, hang on
Speaker 1: a minute. Who were these people? Why are they there?
Speaker 1: And they've tipped off the authorities. I mean, who knows
Speaker 1: how many other people could have made land and we
Speaker 1: don't even know about them. They could be floating around
Speaker 1: somewhere in the country.
Speaker 3: The message back exactly.
Speaker 1: You send the message of weakness and people will give
Speaker 1: it a go. We'll talk about a story tonight on
Speaker 1: the Late Debate about the courts intervening in another one
Speaker 1: of these cases where the government tried to deport them,
Speaker 1: but they did it three years after the offense. So
Speaker 1: the court said, we'll get your act together time and again.
Speaker 1: The message is sent that we are weak when it
Speaker 1: comes to migration and law. So why wouldn't you have
Speaker 1: a go at getting exactly?
Speaker 3: I spoke before about how this issue is playing out
Speaker 3: in the United States with the violent riots in Los
Speaker 3: Angeles bron When do you think Trump's actions in enforcing
Speaker 3: the law. I mean that it might be heavy handed.
Speaker 3: We don't know the actual tree by the ice officers.
Speaker 3: But do you think this is fair enough or do
Speaker 3: you think he's been too harsh here?
Speaker 11: No, I don't think he's been too harsh because I
Speaker 11: can well remember the chaos that occurred in twenty twenty
Speaker 11: with the Black Lives Matter riots that just spread right
Speaker 11: across the country, very sick and nothing was done to
Speaker 11: stop them. And he's I think, taking to nip it
Speaker 11: in the bug and in Los Angeles, you've got to
Speaker 11: expect it's going to happen there. But by taking a
Speaker 11: strong stance and saying no, it's not going to happen again,
Speaker 11: We're not going to have this behavior again. I think
Speaker 11: that was sensible.
Speaker 3: We just hope it doesn't escalate and that no one
Speaker 3: is actually killed. Just finally, reports tonight in the City
Speaker 3: Morning Herald that ABC is planning to acts Q and A,
Speaker 3: the political TV show on a Monday night. This comes
Speaker 3: a day after ten scrapped the project. Caleb, is anyone
Speaker 3: going to miss Q and A?
Speaker 1: Probably not having look, you know again, it has to
Speaker 1: be said, as many said last night, that it's sad
Speaker 1: to see another current affairs programs disappear from television. But
Speaker 1: Q and A is just not fit for purpose anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a time when it first started
Speaker 1: under Tony Jones' hosting where it was pulling a million
Speaker 1: viewers every episode, and it was a place for public
Speaker 1: debate about serious issues facing the country with people from
Speaker 1: a broad political spectrum. It's just become these days a
Speaker 1: love in for lefties. People are not watching it because
Speaker 1: it's not actually debating the issues that matter to everyday Australians,
Speaker 1: so there's no purpose for it.
Speaker 12: No.
Speaker 3: Indeed, I think a lot of those shows, well, most
Speaker 3: of the shows on the ABC are too biased, left leaning,
Speaker 3: no diversity of.
Speaker 4: Views and it's a big problem.
Speaker 3: Calebon from a bishop, so great to have you both,
Speaker 3: pleasure now. The coalition's position on net zero is emerging
Speaker 3: as a major point of contention since the election. The
Speaker 3: Liberal Party in particular is in disarray over what its
Speaker 3: policy should be. Moderate Liberals are adamant net zero should
Speaker 3: be maintained, but Conservatives say it needs.
Speaker 4: To be dumped.
Speaker 3: This is a feel that Energy Minister Energy Shadow Minister
Speaker 3: Dantean is going to have to deal with and he
Speaker 3: joins me live now, Dan, great to see you again. Well,
Speaker 3: what will the coalition's position be on net zero?
Speaker 12: Well, Shahi, we're going to make sure that we do
Speaker 12: the work that the Labor government clearly didn't do. Before
Speaker 12: we set our energy and emissions reduction target. We found
Speaker 12: out during the last election campaign that the modeling, the
Speaker 12: reputech modeling that the government based all their work on
Speaker 12: is now worthless. It's not worth the paper that it
Speaker 12: was written on. And so what we're now seeing is
Speaker 12: electricity prices going up, We're seeing gas prices going up,
Speaker 12: We're seeing emissions flat lining. We're seeing major industrial players
Speaker 12: in this country, like the Tomago aluminum smelter, under serious
Speaker 12: threat of closing. And it seems that the only way
Speaker 12: now that the government is going to achieve its target
Speaker 12: of net zero by twenty fifty is basically by threatening
Speaker 12: the energy security of this nation. Now, that is not
Speaker 12: the approach that the coalition is going to take, and
Speaker 12: we're going to take the time, do proper modeling, understand
Speaker 12: the costs, the costs of what the government are doing.
Speaker 3: Shouldn't you have done for the last election. Should you
Speaker 3: have already done this modeling.
Speaker 12: Well, look, obviously we did work in the lead up
Speaker 12: to the last election, and we took a comprehensive nuclear
Speaker 12: policy for instance, to the Australian people. But we have
Speaker 12: to understand the outcome of that election, and we've got
Speaker 12: to now look at what we will do going forward.
Speaker 12: Because you have to remember there will be another three
Speaker 12: years down the track of Chris Bowen's ideologically driven renewables
Speaker 12: only approach, and where that leaves this country I think
Speaker 12: is in grave threat with regards to our energy security,
Speaker 12: grave threats with regards to increased electricity and gas courses.
Speaker 3: For you to mount a coherent argument and attack the
Speaker 3: government and Chris Bowen as you need to do when
Speaker 3: you don't have your own position sided and we've heard
Speaker 3: articulated in the public domain very firmly held views from
Speaker 3: both miderate and conservative liberals. So how will you settle
Speaker 3: on a position that the party can unify behind.
Speaker 12: Well, I'm going to put a process in place whereby
Speaker 12: we make sure that we're consulting out in the community,
Speaker 12: we're consulting with experts, and we're taking all the very
Speaker 12: best advice as to what our energy policy and what
Speaker 12: our emissions reduction policy should be. Now we have time
Speaker 12: to make sure we get that right, because I don't
Speaker 12: want to be in a position do you have wearing.
Speaker 3: Golf when you are going to arrive at a position
Speaker 3: on that zero.
Speaker 12: Look, when we've got it right, when we've got the
Speaker 12: policy in place that we can take to the Australian
Speaker 12: people with confidence that we will be able to guarantee
Speaker 12: their energy security, keep electricity prices down, keep gas prices down,
Speaker 12: and make sure that we've got a pathway to sustainably
Speaker 12: reduce emissions, and we will present to the Australian people
Speaker 12: in good time.
Speaker 3: Do you personally support net zero?
Speaker 12: I personally support net zero, but not at any cost,
Speaker 12: Sharhi and I want to make sure that the costs
Speaker 12: are clear and that we know that the best way
Speaker 12: that we should be reducing emissions, and I can tell
Speaker 12: you it won't be the way that Chris Bohne is
Speaker 12: doing it is doing it.
Speaker 3: Our preference would be to maintain a commitment to it
Speaker 3: if the figures out up.
Speaker 11: Well.
Speaker 12: What I've said is if we can find a way
Speaker 12: which doesn't de industrialize this country, which enables us to
Speaker 12: keep downward pressure on electricity prices and on gas prices,
Speaker 12: and it means that we can continue to have aluminium smeltering,
Speaker 12: we can continue to have steel production, we can continue
Speaker 12: to have cement production, and we can make sure that
Speaker 12: competitively we can reduce our emissions along with the rest
Speaker 12: of the world. Absolutely, that's what we should be seeking
Speaker 12: to do, but we've got to make sure that we
Speaker 12: have policies in place which enable us to do that.
Speaker 12: And this is not an area where you can use
Speaker 12: a model like the government used reputech modeling, which they
Speaker 12: have now had to walk away from. So they're basically
Speaker 12: the whole basis of their energy policy is now based
Speaker 12: on nothing but a failed report that they did in opposition,
Speaker 12: which they said was the best modeling that had ever
Speaker 12: been done in opposition by anyone, and now they are
Speaker 12: left with a bit of paper that isn't worth the
Speaker 12: paper that it's written on.
Speaker 3: All Right, Dantine, we look forward to having you on
Speaker 3: the show again as you continue to work through this process.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 3: Now still to Carme Alban Eazy Wan's journalists not to
Speaker 3: criticize China. I mean this is next level censorship. And
Speaker 3: one of Australia's most eminent journalists, Paul Kelly, joins me
Speaker 3: live after watching the Hamas footage that Greta Thunberg refused.
Speaker 4: That's up next.
Speaker 3: Some breaking news now, there's devastating news breaking from Austria tonight,
Speaker 3: with the BBC reporting that nine people have been murdered
Speaker 3: in a high school shooting in the city of Graz.
Speaker 3: It's thought seven of those were killed. Seven of those
Speaker 3: who were killed were school students, one an adult, and
Speaker 3: the maze saying that the gunman has also been killed.
Speaker 3: It's believed he was a fellow student. Will bring you
Speaker 3: more news as it comes through. Terrible news there out
Speaker 3: of Austria, a school shooting right The Australians Editor at Large,
Speaker 3: Paul Kelly recently spent a week in Israel on a
Speaker 3: trip of editors and senior journalists. He was also accompanied
Speaker 3: by a former Treasurer, Josh Friedenberg, and they met with
Speaker 3: senior officials, including Israeli President Isaac Hertzog. Now, Paul is
Speaker 3: one of Australia's pre eminent journalists and deep thinkers, and
Speaker 3: in the Weekend Australian he wrote a profoundly thought provoking
Speaker 3: article weighing up the contentious issues that Israel faces both
Speaker 3: internally and abroad. And I'm thrilled to say Paul joins me.
Speaker 4: Now, Paul, thank you very much for your.
Speaker 3: Time personally, What are your reflections on this trip, On
Speaker 3: this visit to Israel, You've of course been before, but
Speaker 3: in the wake of October seven and when Israel is
Speaker 3: in the midst of this existential war.
Speaker 4: How did you find the trip?
Speaker 2: I think two main impressions, Shari. First of all, Israel
Speaker 2: is a deeply divided polity. The politics are bad, they're embittered.
Speaker 2: A lot of this centers around the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netnier,
Speaker 2: who is a polarizing figure. So the country is extremely
Speaker 2: divided about that. And of course they're grieving for the hostages,
Speaker 2: so there's tremendous resentment towards Netnio who because of the hostages.
Speaker 2: So that's the sense of the politics, that's the sense
Speaker 2: of division. But there's another impression as well, And that
Speaker 2: other impression is that this is a country at war.
Speaker 2: It's a country with a profound sense of purpose. It's
Speaker 2: a country where men and women, young men and women,
Speaker 2: do universal military service. They are committed to a sense
Speaker 2: of national destiny. I think this is really important. So
Speaker 2: these two elements go together, a divided politics, but still
Speaker 2: a profound sense of national mission, national commitment to Israel.
Speaker 3: Paul, in your article, you quote tal Becker who says
Speaker 3: that Zionism is a product of people who felt abandoned
Speaker 3: by the world. October seven has in some way Becker says,
Speaker 3: put this sense of an aloneness on steroids. Nobody understands
Speaker 3: the Jews, the media's against us, there's disinformation. It reinstates
Speaker 3: the sense of being on our own with our trouma.
Speaker 3: I think this is such a profound point. Was this
Speaker 3: a sense that was reinforced by your visit to Israel
Speaker 3: that it's a misunderstood nation.
Speaker 2: I think it is a misunderstood nation. I think this
Speaker 2: is a tragedy. This sense of loneliness is palpable, and
Speaker 2: when you talk to people, they might look at Australia's
Speaker 2: criticism of Israel and say, why are you doing this
Speaker 2: in Australia, And then in the next breath they'll be
Speaker 2: criticizing their own government. And I think the point to
Speaker 2: make about this is that Israel was created with this
Speaker 2: sense that it couldn't rely on the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: After it was created and had to look after itself,
Speaker 2: it was under attack right from the start. It's fought
Speaker 2: a number of wars throughout its history because most of
Speaker 2: its neighbors have never accepted its legitimacy. So it's not
Speaker 2: surprising there is this sense of embattlement. But I think
Speaker 2: this is one of the really bad features about Israel today,
Speaker 2: this sense of isolation, this sense that the world world
Speaker 2: is moving away from us, the world has turned its
Speaker 2: back on us. Now, this is a bad thing. It's
Speaker 2: the product of two factors. Of course, One is the
Speaker 2: nature of the war, the nature of the war in Gaza.
Speaker 2: But a second mine, of course, is that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of anti Israeli sentiment in much of the Western world,
Speaker 2: and the war has been the excuse for a lot
Speaker 2: of people, particular people on the left of fan that sentiment.
Speaker 3: It has, indeed, and it extends to the not just
Speaker 3: to israelis I think, but that sense of abandonment extends
Speaker 3: to the Jewish community around the world.
Speaker 2: It does. It does.
Speaker 3: Look you right of Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminette and Yahoo
Speaker 3: that he has three goals. To win the war against Humus,
Speaker 3: to eliminate around nuclear program, to normalize ties with Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3: And I know that because he told me himself when
Speaker 3: I met with him. I'd add there's another goal he has,
Speaker 3: which is to bring home the hostages. How do you
Speaker 3: assess that he going in his bid to achieve these goals.
Speaker 2: He's not going well. Now, I appreciate the goals, but
Speaker 2: the goals are goals of enormous ambition, and I think
Speaker 2: the problem is that, I'd say there are two There
Speaker 2: are two fundamental defects here. One is that net Yale
Speaker 2: has got a military strategy and it's been very successful.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a political strategy. And we know from
Speaker 2: wars throughout history that you can't succeed unless you've got
Speaker 2: both together. So a military strategy is not going to
Speaker 2: be enough even if the military strategy prevails in Gaza,
Speaker 2: and there are major question marks about that. I think
Speaker 2: the other difficulty that netne who faces is that he
Speaker 2: can't talk to the world. He can't speak to the world.
Speaker 2: He can't speak to the world in moral terms. He
Speaker 2: can't explain to the world what Israel's actually doing. He
Speaker 2: has trouble persuading his own people, can't persuade the world. Now,
Speaker 2: if we look at the goals, the goals to win
Speaker 2: the war in Gaza, well, there's a military question mark
Speaker 2: about whether or not that's possible. But he has no
Speaker 2: political strategy for Gaza. After the military victory. The objective
Speaker 2: is to, of course, to.
Speaker 3: Establish and that he said publicly anyway, well.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I've probed a lot of people. What is
Speaker 2: the strategy? If it exists, I certainly couldn't find it.
Speaker 2: His objective, of course, is to is to establish diplomatic
Speaker 2: relations with Saudi Arabia. That would be a world transforming event.
Speaker 2: He's got to give the Saudi something to do that,
Speaker 2: and I can't see what that is. And finally, the
Speaker 2: Iranians and the Iranians are a fundamental problem, and that's
Speaker 2: where you deal with Nettniahu and Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: And just finally, I'm being told we're out of time.
Speaker 3: But just finally, I do want to ask you about
Speaker 3: Trump and Iran, because you know clearly Israel does want
Speaker 3: to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities. I mean, this needs to
Speaker 3: happen one way or another. Trump has taken this pacifist approach.
Speaker 3: He once it done through dialogue. That seems unrealistic at
Speaker 3: this point, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Trump supports Israel, but I think there are a lot
Speaker 2: of differences between Trump and net NYAHUO. Now, the view
Speaker 2: of Israeli is Iran is historically weak. This is a
Speaker 2: particularly important moment. This is the moment when the nuclear program,
Speaker 2: when the enrichment program must be terminated. It can be
Speaker 2: terminated either by negotiations or by a military strike. Enter Trump.
Speaker 11: So the Trump.
Speaker 2: Administration is doing all the negotiations and so far the
Speaker 2: offer is pretty weak. The Iranians have said no, They're
Speaker 2: calling Trump's bluff. So what will Trump do? Will Trump
Speaker 2: knuckle down and get a decent negotiated settlement out of
Speaker 2: the Iranians? I don't think so. In that case, the
Speaker 2: only option left for Israel is that is the military strike.
Speaker 2: But they can't strike against Iran unless they've got the
Speaker 2: green light from America, and probably unless they've got some
Speaker 2: military support from America. So on both fronts, Trump is
Speaker 2: a problem in terms of Israelis and in terms of
Speaker 2: Israel's ambition dealing with Iran.
Speaker 3: And did Paul. I could talk to you for an hour,
Speaker 3: but we're out of time. Such an honor to have
Speaker 3: you on as always. I admire you more than I
Speaker 3: can say.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thanks Sary.
Speaker 3: Now still to calm Albanizi Wann's journalist not to criticize
Speaker 3: China in bizarre comments and the idea Albanezi copied without
Speaker 3: credit from my next guest, Camer Milner.
Speaker 4: That's next, Well.
Speaker 3: Anthony, Albanezi today basically admitted he didn't know how to
Speaker 3: lift productivity and so was organized a roundtable of business,
Speaker 3: unions and civil society to come up with a plan.
Speaker 3: Now this is funny because just two weeks ago forma
Speaker 3: chief of staff to Bill Shorten, Camra Milner suggested this
Speaker 3: very idea, writing in The Nightly that Labour should hold
Speaker 3: a tax and productivity summit just like Keating dead in
Speaker 3: eighty four and have an open conversation with unions and business.
Speaker 4: About tax reform.
Speaker 3: And Cameron Milner and former Press secretary for Scott Morrison
Speaker 3: Andrew Casle join me. Now welcome to both. Look, Cameron,
Speaker 3: we know Albin Easy reads your column and complains about
Speaker 3: it to anyone who'll listen, but it seems he has
Speaker 3: actually picked up an idea from you.
Speaker 13: Yeah, there've been a few complaints the way it has
Speaker 13: over the last three years, but no, Look, the idea
Speaker 13: of a summit is one that's needed. I mean, our
Speaker 13: growth numbers are terrible. We're in a per capita of
Speaker 13: session for the last two and a half years, and
Speaker 13: our productivity is a nation is nowhere to be seen.
Speaker 13: That's why Jim Chalmers is the Treasure has already put
Speaker 13: productivity on the gender and I think a summit to
Speaker 13: bring business and unions together and indeed the Liberal Party
Speaker 13: as well and the parliamentarians to actually solve this problem
Speaker 13: as a nation is absolutely necessary. But no, today National
Speaker 13: Press Club moment for Albo was the PHONEO Freendom moment.
Speaker 1: Free moment.
Speaker 13: Because he's run out of ideas out we need to
Speaker 13: ask other people to form.
Speaker 2: Out what he is to do.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's exactly right, Andrew. This isn't admission. Isn't
Speaker 3: it that the Albanezi government has no idea how to
Speaker 3: improve productivity?
Speaker 14: Well, it's not so much that they don't have any idea,
Speaker 14: that's the most schooling part. It's it's the fact that
Speaker 14: they've spent the last three years smashing productivity in this
Speaker 14: country with the imposition of two reckless tranches of industrial
Speaker 14: relations changes. They've driven a nail through productivity in this country.
Speaker 14: It's gone backwards at a greater rate than it was before.
Speaker 14: So it's almost like they're trying to put the toothpaste
Speaker 14: back in the tube without even talking about changing those
Speaker 14: changes to industrial relations. So but I agree with Cameron
Speaker 14: too though, having this on the agenda is important and
Speaker 14: having this as a central theme of the next the
Speaker 14: current term of this government is crucial because lagging productivity
Speaker 14: is a major in his to economic growth in this country.
Speaker 14: It's a major block on foreign investment coming into this country,
Speaker 14: which we so desperately need. You know, there are a
Speaker 14: mountain of companies, multinational companies, investors that want to invest
Speaker 14: in Australia. Now they're not because of lacking productivity. They're
Speaker 14: not because of our competitive our uncompetitive tax raging. They're
Speaker 14: not because of the regulations and the red tape that
Speaker 14: sit there as an impost on business. So if they
Speaker 14: want their combin our moment in canberrall with the business
Speaker 14: community and others, then I welcome that, as long as
Speaker 14: they go in knowing that they've got two ears and
Speaker 14: one mouth.
Speaker 3: And I'd also just add to that list they're not
Speaker 3: investing because of uncertainty, because decisions in the past have
Speaker 3: been ripped up on ideological grounds. Now, the Prime Minister
Speaker 3: was also pressed today on his stubbornness around defense spending. Now, Cameron,
Speaker 3: this is clearly going to be a feature of the
Speaker 3: upcoming G seven talks with the Trump administration. So why
Speaker 3: is he refusing to even say that he'll consider increasing
Speaker 3: defense spend.
Speaker 13: It's crazy, isn't it. I Mean, every night we see
Speaker 13: the world getting more uncertain and more dangerous and military
Speaker 13: presences on our very doorstep, Sharie. And yet why wouldn't
Speaker 13: we as a nation want to build up our military
Speaker 13: and build up our defense capability. Look, I think Albot's
Speaker 13: pretty uncomfortable around servicemen and women. You see him on
Speaker 13: Anzac Day, but you don't seem any other day of
Speaker 13: the year really being with our serving soldiers and Navy.
Speaker 3: And Air Force.
Speaker 13: Look, I mean, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 13: those lefty views, those inner city views, being pretty pacivist,
Speaker 13: don't make them comfortable being around defense. But we as
Speaker 13: a nation need to put more money in and we
Speaker 13: need to do it sooner. And Orcas is not just
Speaker 13: the only answer. We need immediate capability with the threats
Speaker 13: we've currently got.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is right, isn't it, Andrew. It's just
Speaker 3: almost the childish insistence that ALBINIZI won't consider lifting even
Speaker 3: as an aspiration. The percentage of GDP that we spent on.
Speaker 4: Defense, Well, it's a stubbornness, I think.
Speaker 14: And yes, there's some budget, budgetary constraints, but the rest
Speaker 14: of the world is moving in step with higher percentage
Speaker 14: of GDP on defense spending, and we're sitting at two
Speaker 14: point zero three. It's pitiful. So this to me is
Speaker 14: a tool to negotiate with Donald Trump. I mean, there
Speaker 14: are many non negotiables that should define this moment for
Speaker 14: Anthony Abernezi, and it is a sink or swim moment
Speaker 14: for him. And there are some non negotiables to not
Speaker 14: go anywhere near and that's bisecurity on cattle, it's social
Speaker 14: media laws that we have in place here, and he
Speaker 14: has outlined these things.
Speaker 3: It's PBS.
Speaker 14: So they're the lines that you don't cross. But there
Speaker 14: are some things that you give away as well, and
Speaker 14: one of those things is defense spending. Is it is
Speaker 14: nothing for us to increase our commitment not only to
Speaker 14: our partners and our alliances, but to give ourselves the
Speaker 14: capability that.
Speaker 4: We sorely need.
Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, Andrew Carsil camer Mila, thank you both
Speaker 3: very much for your time. Now, coming up next to
Speaker 3: China's plans for a super embassy in the heart of
Speaker 3: one of the most important is in the world and
Speaker 3: what it'll mean.
Speaker 4: For Australia, that's next.
Speaker 3: Welcome back. China is planning to build what's dubbed a
Speaker 3: super embassy in the heart of London. Their significant national
Speaker 3: security concern about what the Chinese Communist Party could do
Speaker 3: with an embassy in the middle of one of the
Speaker 3: world's most powerful nations. America is reportedly concerned, and it's
Speaker 3: said that it even has the potential to derail trade talks.
Speaker 3: The Interparliamentary Alliance and China's executive director Luke de Pulford
Speaker 3: joins me. Now, Luke, thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 3: So what exactly is China planning here and what are
Speaker 3: the concerns around it.
Speaker 15: So China is planning to develop the largest embassy in
Speaker 15: Europe in London in a very prestigious site directly opposite
Speaker 15: the Tower of London. Just to give you an indication
Speaker 15: of size. This is planned to have over one hundred
Speaker 15: and thirty additional flats for PRC state employees in addition
Speaker 15: to an already very large site. And the concerns are
Speaker 15: broadly threefold. First of all, we suspect that this is
Speaker 15: going to become a base for all of China's European
Speaker 15: interference operations which are already very considerable. We also know
Speaker 15: that the site is very inappropriate because there's no space
Speaker 15: for protest outside of it. In fact, we organized two
Speaker 15: very large protests of four and five thousand people each
Speaker 15: which blocked all of the very busy adjacent road network.
Speaker 15: So it's an inappropriate site anyway because people won't be
Speaker 15: able to express speech freely. But the critical point is this,
Speaker 15: it has been exposed that the site, which is Royal
Speaker 15: Mint Court, so initially where we had our mint to
Speaker 15: create all of our currency, is directly over sensitive cabling
Speaker 15: which feeds UK financial services, so the very backbone of
Speaker 15: the United Kingdom economy. And the background to that is
Speaker 15: that it was reported that previously the Chinese of allied
Speaker 15: once before there was an objection from our intelligence services
Speaker 15: on the basis that this could imperil UK financial infrastructure.
Speaker 3: So if those are the concerns that it has the
Speaker 3: potential to imperil UK financial infrastructure, could that then have
Speaker 3: an impact on countries that do have close ties to
Speaker 3: the UK, particularly a five Eyes partner like Australia.
Speaker 15: Absolutely so, these are fiber optic cables which feed UK
Speaker 15: financial services, but not just the UK, so anz Combank,
Speaker 15: westpank Westpac and National Australia Bank all have a very
Speaker 15: significant presence in London. They're all using these cables. The
Speaker 15: cables feed UK financial infrastructure, but not just UK financial infrastructure,
Speaker 15: and this was the reason that the United States government
Speaker 15: on Sunday expressed their concerns, saying to the UK, we
Speaker 15: hope you're not going to take a decision here which
Speaker 15: is going to put our financial services at risk. My
Speaker 15: strong view is that the Australian governments and Australian politicians
Speaker 15: should be aware of this risk and should do the same.
Speaker 15: This is going to create real vulnerabilities for Australian financial services.
Speaker 3: Has Kiir Stama been open to listening to the concerns
Speaker 3: that you and security experts and intelligence services have.
Speaker 15: Well at the moment, the government is keeping its powder
Speaker 15: dry and saying well, it's all in the planning process
Speaker 15: and will make a decision in due course. What I
Speaker 15: would say is that there's tremendous diplomatic pressure so highly
Speaker 15: unusually she's inpeing and is meeting with Kir Starmer on
Speaker 15: the sidelines of the G twenty last year raised the
Speaker 15: location of their embassy in London. As the number one
Speaker 15: thing which needed to be sorted out to normalize diplomatic
Speaker 15: relations with the UK. So you can see this very
Speaker 15: heavy pressure and they've already been sold the building by
Speaker 15: the last government. So now our government is facing the
Speaker 15: very difficult decision whether or not to say that they
Speaker 15: can develop it into this massive embassy, the largest embassy
Speaker 15: in Europe. Our argument is that this presents to totally
Speaker 15: unacceptable national security risks, not just for US but to
Speaker 15: our allies as well.
Speaker 3: Look, our Prime minister today said that Australia shouldn't view
Speaker 3: China as a national security threat but rather a strategic
Speaker 3: competition any bizarrely encourage journalists to do the same. I
Speaker 3: don't have time to play you the clip now, but
Speaker 3: is this an out of place, bizarre warning to journalists
Speaker 3: that almost amounts to censorship.
Speaker 4: What do you think about this?
Speaker 15: Well, I put it this way, China is very clearly
Speaker 15: an adversary. We need to move on from this language
Speaker 15: of strategic competition. It's no longer appropriate. The CCP under
Speaker 15: cGMP is more oppressive at home, much more aggressive abroad.
Speaker 15: We're seeing interference, United frontwork, the inculcation, the deliberate inculcation
Speaker 15: of dependencies, undermining international institutions, massive human rights abuses, South China,
Speaker 15: sea aggression. They want to remake the global order in
Speaker 15: their own image. So this isn't about being a strategic competitor.
Speaker 15: This is about being clear about the threat and as
Speaker 15: to what journalists might think. I mean, Australia is a
Speaker 15: country which respects free speech indeed press.
Speaker 3: And perhaps the Prime Minister should as well. Look to Pulford.
Speaker 3: We're out of time, Thank you so much and thanks
Speaker 3: for your company tonight. I'll see you tomorrow at eight.
Speaker 4: And here's Paul