WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 25 June

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<v Speaker 1>On scoring wields Ostrodia.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Reader Paney Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Good evening, Anne, Welcome to the Reader Panekey Show. Coming

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<v Speaker 3>up tonight. Labor doubles down on incoming Governor General Sam

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<v Speaker 3>Moyston's outrageous pay increase. Professor in Plymer fact check some

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<v Speaker 3>of the left's nuclear claims, and later in the hour,

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<v Speaker 3>an Australian academic, a law professor, claims she's been bullied

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<v Speaker 3>by activists who cannot tolerate her Christian views. Josh Hammer

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<v Speaker 3>will bring us the latest from the US, including the

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<v Speaker 3>deal that freed Wikilis leader Julia Sange, and we never

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<v Speaker 3>neglect to bring you the segment that has millions of

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<v Speaker 3>views online each and every week. Left he's losing it.

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<v Speaker 4>So the reason why people heat fat people is because

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<v Speaker 4>people heat black people. And appearing curvely or bigger is

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<v Speaker 4>associated with blackness, especially black women, and that's where they're

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<v Speaker 4>discriminated in the workplace.

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<v Speaker 3>Joining me now is Harold's Sun colonist Patrick Carline. Patrick.

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<v Speaker 3>Earlier today, you were in the Supreme Court for the

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<v Speaker 3>Greg Lynn case. A astonishing verdict here he was charged

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<v Speaker 3>with double murder. He was found guilty of one and

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<v Speaker 3>not guilty of the other.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Look, the jury took seven days to come

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<v Speaker 2>back with their verdict. I think by today most people

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<v Speaker 2>were thinking it might be a mistrial or a hung jury.

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<v Speaker 2>The jury asked some questions yesterday. They gave some indication

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<v Speaker 2>that they might actually try and convict for the murder

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<v Speaker 2>of Carol Clay as opposed to Russell Hill. And it

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<v Speaker 2>seems that the jury basically didn't believe the story that

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Lynn put up about a struggle was resulting in

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<v Speaker 2>a headshot wound to Carol Clay. So look, there was

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<v Speaker 2>some sense of it in the question yesterday. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people will be very surprised by

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<v Speaker 2>such a deliberate sort of verdict, very precise verdict.

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<v Speaker 3>There are legal observers, lawyers who are absolutely shocked. But

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<v Speaker 3>I guess when they took manslaughter off the table to

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<v Speaker 3>be not guilty or murder, perhaps that explains today's verdict.

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<v Speaker 3>How long before we get a sentence on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I think it will take months. I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>the next court date is in July. That's just to mention.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll take another few months after that, and you might

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<v Speaker 2>see some appeals as well.

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<v Speaker 3>In this case goes on now. The following story could

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<v Speaker 3>be distressing to some viewers. A new video has emerged

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<v Speaker 3>of three wounded and terrifying young men taken hostage by

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<v Speaker 3>her Mass on October seven. The men Hirsh Goldberg, Poland,

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<v Speaker 3>Or Levi and Elijah Cohen were at the Nova Music Festival.

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<v Speaker 3>The footage shows the terrified, bloodied men on the flatbed

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<v Speaker 3>of a pickup truck. One of the men, Hirsh Goldberg Poland,

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<v Speaker 3>has suffered a horrific injury, with part of his left

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<v Speaker 3>arm blown off by her mass grenade. This footage was

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<v Speaker 3>uncovered by the IDF and was last night shared by

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<v Speaker 3>the families of the three hostages. Oh no good, but,

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<v Speaker 3>a statement from the Hostages and Missing Families Forum says,

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<v Speaker 3>this harrowing footage stands as a damning testament to the

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred and sixty two day long abandonment of our

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<v Speaker 3>loved ones. Hersh Alion or were taken alive and they

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<v Speaker 3>must return alive today, Patrick, This footage again reveals the

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<v Speaker 3>sub human savagery of her Mass, the brutality, and there

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<v Speaker 3>is increasing pressure on President Joe Biden to do something.

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<v Speaker 3>Given one of those men, Hirsh Goldwig Poland is an

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<v Speaker 3>American citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Look absolutely, I mean you can understand that pressure

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<v Speaker 2>being applied. I mean, if there was Australian there, you

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<v Speaker 2>would hope that the Australian authorities would do everything to

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<v Speaker 2>free an Australian hostage. You can see why that pressures.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to ratch that up as time goes on. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important that footage is shown because it

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<v Speaker 2>seems that we've got lost in the pro Palestine sort

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<v Speaker 2>of retoric that this actually all started by the massacre

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<v Speaker 2>of eleven hundred people and they saw one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six hostages being kept in gas or at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>if those hostages were released, we wouldn't be having a

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<v Speaker 2>war the way that it is going at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>would we.

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<v Speaker 3>Well no, And this is the thing that I do

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<v Speaker 3>not understand from the anti Israeli activist, pro Palestinian whatever

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<v Speaker 3>you want to call them. If they at their protest

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<v Speaker 3>at least made some sort of a call for release

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<v Speaker 3>to hostages, made some sort of a call against her

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<v Speaker 3>mass then they would have a lot more credibility than

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<v Speaker 3>they do. But they refuse to do that. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>if you turn up to one of these protests holding

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<v Speaker 3>her mass a terrorist sign, you're the one who gets attacked.

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<v Speaker 3>So that kind of tells you the mindset a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of these activists. They are not really interested in a

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<v Speaker 3>sea spy because if you want to see spy, you

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<v Speaker 3>would be calling for the hostages to be released. Now

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<v Speaker 3>the nuclear debate rages on, we've got intelligent discourse, and

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<v Speaker 3>we've got some juvenile scare mongering of some from some

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<v Speaker 3>labor ministers activists, and there's further the evidence. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that the left cannot mean they're just no good at it.

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<v Speaker 3>We've seen Labor pushing various memes as part of this

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<v Speaker 3>ridiculous anti nuclear scare campaign, and their union mates are

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<v Speaker 3>not much better when it comes to putting together videos.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at this effort from the official account of the

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<v Speaker 3>Australian Council of Trade Unions. So so it's been a

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<v Speaker 3>pro loving heat Now let me see, I'm the biggest heater.

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<v Speaker 5>I hate the way that you walk, the way did

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<v Speaker 5>you talk, I hate the way did you dress?

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<v Speaker 2>I hate the way did you sneak this? If I

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<v Speaker 2>test flame, it's gonna be the writ.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who that's convincing. But then again, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not in the TikTok world. That was also on Instagram

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<v Speaker 3>where I spotted it. How do you see this debate going?

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<v Speaker 3>We mock the scare mongering, but it can actually be

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<v Speaker 3>very effective.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh look, it can be. I don't think something like

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<v Speaker 2>that's very efficive, to be perfectly honest. I think what's

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<v Speaker 2>got lost in this debate is Australia's one out against

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<v Speaker 2>so much of the world. You look at the g

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<v Speaker 2>twenty countries fourteen you produce nuclear power two or three

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<v Speaker 2>hours others are looking to do so we're one out

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<v Speaker 2>with this ideological sort of fear that nuclear is going

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of, you know, be dangerous. And what also

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<v Speaker 2>gets lost in this is we're going to be reliant

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<v Speaker 2>on whether it's coal or gas or nuclear for a

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<v Speaker 2>very long time. And if we don't go nuclear, the

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<v Speaker 2>renewals aren't going to cut it, certainly not reliably across

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<v Speaker 2>the board for a very long time. Hopefully they do it,

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<v Speaker 2>but we need something to make energy reliable. Why not

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<v Speaker 2>look at nuclear? Why not look at it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're sitting on the world's biggest reserves of uranium.

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<v Speaker 3>You would think that would be one good reason to

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<v Speaker 3>look at newtu We're not doing much gas exploration or

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<v Speaker 3>coal plants, so base load power has to come from somewhere. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>let's talk about the Governor General. The incoming Governor General

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<v Speaker 3>has been much criticism yesterday about the fat pay increase

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<v Speaker 3>that she's going to receive, But Labor is defending Sam

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<v Speaker 3>Mouston's salary package, which is more than forty percent higher

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<v Speaker 3>than the current GG David Hurley. This really, to me

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<v Speaker 3>is in defensible Patrick. You look at the perks that

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<v Speaker 3>come with this job, the staff, the residents, the first

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<v Speaker 3>class travel. It really should not have a salary that's

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<v Speaker 3>higher than the Prime Minister. How is that justified?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a forty three percent pay rise on the current raide.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, in this cost of living sort of crisis

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<v Speaker 2>that we're living in, how do you justify that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been on every front page of every newspaper across Australia today.

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<v Speaker 2>People are talking about it, People are outraged. Why make

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<v Speaker 2>this choice and pegging it to the Chief Justice of

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<v Speaker 2>the High Court. That's a real job.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a ceremonial role. This is someone who goes

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<v Speaker 3>to morning teas and cuts ribbons and attends functions. It

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<v Speaker 3>is not a role that is enormously taxing intellectually, unless

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<v Speaker 3>there's some sort of a constitutional crisis once in a century,

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<v Speaker 3>then you'll be acted on to make some decisions. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think something like this really should go to an

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<v Speaker 3>eminent Australian and it should not have a salary attached,

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<v Speaker 3>because the perks you get with the job are significant.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it should almost be like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>afol club president, where you don't get a salary but

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<v Speaker 3>it comes with great prestige and its important role. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm sure there will be a lot of eminent

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<v Speaker 3>Australians who still put up their hand to do it. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe not leftist activists like this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I won't get into that.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, yes, Now I want to speak about quantas

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<v Speaker 3>because they're not what they used to be. I fly

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<v Speaker 3>them often, I can talk you that firsthand, and they

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<v Speaker 3>used to be considered one of the top airlines in

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<v Speaker 3>the world. They're all normally in the top ten airlines,

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<v Speaker 3>but now they're not even the top twenty. According to

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<v Speaker 3>the latest Skytracks Awards, Qatar Airways is number one in

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<v Speaker 3>the world, with quantas sitting at a lowly twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>The spirit of Australia ain't what it used to be. Patrick,

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Most Australians would be surprised at Corners made the top

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four offline Singapore offlowing Qatar. As we all have

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<v Speaker 2>from time to time. There is such a distinct difference

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<v Speaker 2>between the service of a good airline and then there's quantas.

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<v Speaker 3>They charge like a premium airline, but there's service levels

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<v Speaker 3>I think approaching budget levels.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they've lost the trust of Australians through the

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<v Speaker 2>Shenanigans under Alan Joyce in the last few years. It

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<v Speaker 2>used to be this wonderful brand that we also looked

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<v Speaker 2>up to it as an icon. Now it's not. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a very expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>Plane, that's it. And I think people who travel regularly

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<v Speaker 3>have learned that those who travel infrequently still perhaps old,

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<v Speaker 3>put Quantus on a pedestal, but one bad experience and

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<v Speaker 3>that all changes now. To a report from the Herald

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<v Speaker 3>signs of Michael warnerm Sports Integrity Australia warning that the

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<v Speaker 3>AFL and other Australian sports need to take urgent action

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<v Speaker 3>to combat illicit drug use by their athletes. This week,

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<v Speaker 3>they recommended an immediate overhaul of the AFL's illicit drug policy,

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<v Speaker 3>which allows players to avoid drug strikes and undergo off

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<v Speaker 3>the books testing under what they call a medical model.

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<v Speaker 3>The Chief of Sport of Integrity Australia, David Sharp, said

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<v Speaker 3>significant into vents is required immediately to address the illicit

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<v Speaker 3>drug culture in sport and the increasing and unacceptable risks

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<v Speaker 3>post of players, officials, clubs and Sporting codes. Sport Integrity Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>along with several partner organizations, have identified evidence across Australian

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<v Speaker 3>sports of clear dangers of criminals influencing sports through the

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<v Speaker 3>supply of illicit drugs, including by praying on athletes or

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<v Speaker 3>support staff to access inside information. And this is important

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<v Speaker 3>because we've got gambling, it's enormous sports gambling. You've got

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<v Speaker 3>the criminal world and the manner in which players are

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<v Speaker 3>accessing these drugs. You could see players officials being blackmailed

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<v Speaker 3>to provide information to behave in a corrupt manner. And

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if the Sporting codes are really treating this

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<v Speaker 3>as seriously as they should.

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<v Speaker 2>I think mister Sharpe makes a very good point there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, I like bet lots of us, do

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<v Speaker 2>you can bet on the first ball or a cricket

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<v Speaker 2>match being a no ball, or the first serve of

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<v Speaker 2>a tennis match being a fault. Now, if you have

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<v Speaker 2>players who are potentially leveraged by the various elements, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's not a big step to imagine that that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing and that sort of corruption of the

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<v Speaker 2>sport could happen pretty readily, and certainly off camera as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a very good point. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that we need to look at very closely.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely in the AFL, in particular with that ridiculous drug

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<v Speaker 3>policy which is really designed to make sure no player

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<v Speaker 3>ever gets three strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, the players have been gaming it for years

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<v Speaker 2>and years, are they.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, if the loopholes are deliberate, they're not accidental in

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<v Speaker 3>that code. They've got to acknowledge the obvious there, Patrick Harline,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you so much for your time this evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>Vernon joining me now is a steam geologist. Professor Ian Plymer,

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<v Speaker 3>in the Smart Energy Council CEO, appeared on Sky and

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<v Speaker 3>You with Karen Gilbert and he sort of fact check

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<v Speaker 3>Opposition leader Peter Dutton's claims. Let's have a look at

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<v Speaker 3>the clip the Smart Energy Council tweeted itself, which was

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<v Speaker 3>also shared by Minister for Climate Change and Energy Chris Bowen.

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<v Speaker 6>How other country in the world can keep the lights

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<v Speaker 6>on twenty four to seven with the renewables only policy?

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<v Speaker 2>Where in the world has that?

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<v Speaker 7>Just one at Costa Rica, for example, one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 7>renewables right, there are plenty of examples globally and here

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<v Speaker 7>in Australia, right.

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<v Speaker 6>We know that the government has a renewables only policy

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<v Speaker 6>which is just not fit for purpose. The state of

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<v Speaker 6>Tasmania is entirely powered on renewable energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually the Act one hundred percent renewal energy day night,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours a day, three sixty five days a year.

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<v Speaker 3>Costa Rica. Plenty of examples globally, we're told Tasmania act Ian,

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<v Speaker 3>do you care to fact check the fact checkers?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, you've got to understand he's got to snout in

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<v Speaker 8>the trough and he's talk in his own book. Now,

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<v Speaker 8>Costa Rica, you could not in any way compare with Australia.

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<v Speaker 8>It is not a G twenty industrialized country. You cannot

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<v Speaker 8>have an industrialized society without base load power that comes

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<v Speaker 8>from gas or coal or nuclear that is a fact.

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<v Speaker 8>The second thing is to look at Tasmania. Well, there

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<v Speaker 8>is a cable going from the mainland to Tasmania because

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<v Speaker 8>quite often Tasmania doesn't have enough power and they have

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<v Speaker 8>to back up with diesels. There are times when there's

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<v Speaker 8>not enough rainfall in Tasmania and they can't run their hydrate.

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<v Speaker 8>So Tasmania sometimes exports power to the mainland and quite

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<v Speaker 8>often imports power from the mainland. So that is absolutely wrong.

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<v Speaker 8>And to look at Canbra, I mean really, Canbra doesn't

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<v Speaker 8>generate any of its own electricity. It gets its electricity

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<v Speaker 8>from New South Wales, the bulk of which a coal

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<v Speaker 8>fired power station of power going into Canbra. Now I

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<v Speaker 8>admit there are times milliseconds, perhaps minutes, there are times

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<v Speaker 8>when canber and South Australia and Tasmania might be running

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<v Speaker 8>one hundred percent on renewables. But what the people don't

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<v Speaker 8>seem to tell us is that the sun doesn't shine

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<v Speaker 8>all the time and the wind doesn't blow all the time.

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<v Speaker 8>We've had wind routs that have killed off renewables and

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<v Speaker 8>we still get more than sixty percent of our power

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<v Speaker 8>from coal. So that is blazonly misleading. And then to

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<v Speaker 8>claim that it's cheap. There is no country in the

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<v Speaker 8>world where renewables are cheap. The only good thing about

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<v Speaker 8>renewables is that the subodies subsidies keep renewing and going

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<v Speaker 8>to those promoting them. But we, the poor taxplayer and consumer,

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<v Speaker 8>just have to keep coughing up. It's certainly not clean

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<v Speaker 8>energy because when you look at the amount of filth

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<v Speaker 8>that is generated in China to develop wind turbines and

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<v Speaker 8>to build these soul of panels using slave life, that

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<v Speaker 8>is not clear. And it's certainly not environmentally friendly with

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<v Speaker 8>the amount of wildlife and forest lands that we kill.

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<v Speaker 8>And as to being reliable, pull the other one. So

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<v Speaker 8>I think these people are absolutely panicking because all of

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<v Speaker 8>a sudden we have a decision that has been made

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<v Speaker 8>to give us cheap, reliable, twenty four to seven power.

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<v Speaker 3>The activist class, including much of the media, seem to

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<v Speaker 3>be in some sort of a meltdown over this debate

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<v Speaker 3>even occurring. They're terrified that the Australian people will have

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<v Speaker 3>a choice, that will have options come the next election.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not sure if you've seen this piece in

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<v Speaker 3>The Guardian that says Dutton's nuclear plan will be an

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<v Speaker 3>economic disaster that would leave Australians paying more for electricity

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<v Speaker 3>because well, because nuclear is the most expensive form of electricity.

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<v Speaker 3>But in this isn't the experience. In many parts of

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<v Speaker 3>the world. The French pay less for electricity than the Germans,

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<v Speaker 3>who went down the renewable's path very strongly. And in

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<v Speaker 3>Finland electricity prices dropped dramatically when the new nuclear reactor

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<v Speaker 3>was connected.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, if you read the Guardian, you deserve to be mislead.

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<v Speaker 8>So I haven't seen in the Guardian something I don't read.

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<v Speaker 8>But we do know the official figures in this country.

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<v Speaker 8>To generate electricity from gas and there's the AMO figures,

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<v Speaker 8>there's fifty nine cents of killer what our. The CSIRO

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<v Speaker 8>report says that to generate electricity from nuclear is thirty

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<v Speaker 8>one cents to killer what our. So the numbers are

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<v Speaker 8>in and the facts don't lie. So we have a

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<v Speaker 8>global example right across the world. Countries that have got

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<v Speaker 8>nuclear have cheaper power. But what people don't seem to

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<v Speaker 8>realize is that it is reliable. You have one decent

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<v Speaker 8>hail storm and you've wiped out solar power. All the

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<v Speaker 8>panels get destroyed. A hailstorm with a nuclear power station

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<v Speaker 8>does nothing. And what people should understand is that one

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<v Speaker 8>atom of the uranium produces twenty million times as much

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<v Speaker 8>energy as burning one atom of carbon. So if you

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<v Speaker 8>want to have a small fingerprint, if you want to

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<v Speaker 8>be energy efficient, and if you want twenty four to

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<v Speaker 8>seven cheap reliable power, nuclear is the only option.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. Mike O'Connor wrote in The Career Mail that Anthony

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<v Speaker 3>Albernizi as unseated greensleader Adam band as looney in chief

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<v Speaker 3>because of his anti nuclear barrage of bull dust. He

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<v Speaker 3>also wrote, when it comes to insulting the intelligence of Australians,

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<v Speaker 3>the decision to suggest that nuclear power would result in

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<v Speaker 3>three eyed coolers was right up there with the best

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<v Speaker 3>and a spectacular own goal. All the PM and his

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<v Speaker 3>genius advisors managed to do was to convince all reasonable

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<v Speaker 3>minded folk that if the Government was prepared to go

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<v Speaker 3>to such extraordinary lengths to demonize nuclear power, then there

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<v Speaker 3>must be some merit in the proposal. When compared to

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<v Speaker 3>the Labor Party, Suddenly the Greens were looking like moderates.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure Adam Bant will see that as a challenge

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<v Speaker 3>to step up his game. But on a serious note, Ian,

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<v Speaker 3>are you surprised by the tactics employed by the senior

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<v Speaker 3>ministers here and the Prime minister? They really have gone nuclear.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse the pun with the scare mongering, with the hyperbole.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not an approach you would expect from the government

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<v Speaker 3>as serious politicians, serious adults determining our country's future.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I think mister Dutton's announcement of nuclear caught the

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<v Speaker 8>government napping.

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<v Speaker 9>They didn't consider that such words could come out of

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<v Speaker 9>an opposition leader's mouth and forming and behaving exactly the

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<v Speaker 9>same as they did with the Voice.

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<v Speaker 8>They do not accept reality. They treat the electorate as stupid.

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<v Speaker 8>They exaggerate, they have absolute meltdowns, and people are not

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<v Speaker 8>falling for this. People know that electricity is very expensive

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<v Speaker 8>because we pay for it. People know that there are

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<v Speaker 8>other areas in the world where electricity is cheaper, and

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<v Speaker 8>that is nuclear. So I think the Labor Party has totally,

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<v Speaker 8>absolutely misread the electorate. They did it with the Voice,

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<v Speaker 8>they're doing it again, and rather than engaging in constructive argument,

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<v Speaker 8>they're screeching like spoiled brats.

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<v Speaker 3>I've only got thirty seconds, but your thoughts on Matt

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<v Speaker 3>Keane and this new appointment. Is that going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a game changer.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it's not going to be a game change at all.

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<v Speaker 8>He's been a joke for a long while, and it's

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<v Speaker 8>a case of birds of a feather flock together. He's

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<v Speaker 8>always been in the wrong party and he now is

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<v Speaker 8>that wonderful public face which will be forgotten years to

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<v Speaker 8>come because he will bring down the opposition policy and

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<v Speaker 8>he'll go with it. So I think it's a wonderful

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<v Speaker 8>point which the two and one. It will get rid

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<v Speaker 8>of Keen and it will get rid of mister Bowen.

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<v Speaker 8>So I'm surprised that he was in the Liberal parties

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<v Speaker 8>for that long and wasn't thrown out. And I think

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<v Speaker 8>the elected of Hornsby will now be finally well represented.

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<v Speaker 3>I primer, thank you for your time. This evening still

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<v Speaker 3>to come. Left is losing it and Josh Hammer on

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<v Speaker 3>the politics behind the Julian Assance decision, welcome back. Now

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<v Speaker 3>it's time for lefties losing it. Did you know that

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to be fit and healthy is racist and fat

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<v Speaker 3>phobia is just another form of white supremacy. Listen to

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<v Speaker 3>this intersectional bologny.

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<v Speaker 4>Anti fatness is rooted in anti blackness and The reason

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<v Speaker 4>why people are pursuing thinness is because they're pursuing proximity

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<v Speaker 4>to whiteness. The reason why people hate fat people is

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<v Speaker 4>because people hate black people. And appearing curly or bigger

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<v Speaker 4>is associated with blackness, especially black women, and that's why

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<v Speaker 4>they're discriminated in the workplace, overly sexualized. And this has

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<v Speaker 4>gone back for centuries and centuries, all systems of oppression, capitalism, sexism, racism,

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<v Speaker 4>It all comes back to white supremacy, which is the

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<v Speaker 4>foundation of the fabric of America and rules every sector

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<v Speaker 4>and aspect of our society.

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<v Speaker 3>Now to a lefty dude telling us he's going to

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<v Speaker 3>lose it if Trump wins again, listen to this rant.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds to me like this unhinged lefty is making threats.

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<v Speaker 3>Is anyone of the FBI watching If.

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<v Speaker 10>Donald Trump wins, There're gonna be a lot of angry people.

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<v Speaker 10>I can't promise that there won't be some fighting, But

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<v Speaker 10>if Donald Trump wins and starts trying to implement some

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<v Speaker 10>of these measures to take away even more rights, you're

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<v Speaker 10>not going to want to be around for that fight.

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<v Speaker 10>I promise you that you're not going to want your

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<v Speaker 10>family to be around for that fight because people will die.

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<v Speaker 2>People will die.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting time to check in with the most powerful woman

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<v Speaker 3>in the world. Here, Kamala Harris explains presidential elections after

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<v Speaker 3>she's asked why is the race so close?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is the race so close?

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<v Speaker 11>These races are always close. It's the election of the

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<v Speaker 11>president of the United States, and everyone in an election

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<v Speaker 11>for president United States will critically examine all the issues

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<v Speaker 11>and make a decision.

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<v Speaker 3>Profound, profound. I think I might just listen to that

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<v Speaker 3>again because Kamala she just makes you think, doesn't she.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm sad to report it's happened again. Another Jerry

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<v Speaker 3>Seinfeld show in Australia has been disrupted by anti Israeli activists.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the third or fourth time in about a week,

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<v Speaker 3>and each time Jerry points out these lefties losing it.

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<v Speaker 3>They are in the wrong place. They are only annoying

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<v Speaker 3>people and making Jerry richer.

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<v Speaker 8>Who would want to do well like I am?

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the people here and hear me, look at

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to you.

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<v Speaker 10>Here's the other thing.

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<v Speaker 12>I think you need to go back and tell who's

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<v Speaker 12>ever running your organization.

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<v Speaker 3>We just gave more money to a Jew.

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<v Speaker 10>And cannot be a good.

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<v Speaker 3>Plan for you, and let's enjoy this. Lefties losing a

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<v Speaker 3>Hall of Famer. It's two years to the day since

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<v Speaker 3>we were treated to this.

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<v Speaker 10>My sce.

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<v Speaker 5>My sight, my my.

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<v Speaker 3>Now let's bring in Josh Hammer, Senior editor at Large

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<v Speaker 3>at Newsweek and Article three Project Senior Council. Josh, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to speak about the border crisis and some of

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<v Speaker 3>the horrific crimes being committed by illegal immigrants. But let's

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<v Speaker 3>start with the news today that Wikiles founded. Julia Sange

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<v Speaker 3>is free after agreeing to plead guilty to a single

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<v Speaker 3>count of conspiring to obtain and disclose classified US national

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<v Speaker 3>defense documents. What can you tell me about this steal?

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<v Speaker 3>And White was struck.

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<v Speaker 5>The plead deal appears to be a very favorable one

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<v Speaker 5>for him. The thing to bear in minds here, Rita,

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<v Speaker 5>based on what I've been able to assess so far,

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<v Speaker 5>this is a political move. I mean, this is a

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<v Speaker 5>presidential election year here in the United States is twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty four. And the key point is that Julia Soane

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<v Speaker 5>and civil liberties whistleblowers like him are very popular among younger,

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<v Speaker 5>millennial and gen Z voters here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 5>Who is Joe Biden losing right now when it comes

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<v Speaker 5>to the voter blocks, well, a lot of gen Z

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<v Speaker 5>millennial folks are shifting away to Donald Trump. That's the

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<v Speaker 5>lens through which I view this. I think that it

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<v Speaker 5>is a political stunt ultimately at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think Trump has been outspoken recently about pardoning Assange,

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<v Speaker 3>so it could have become a real debate leading up

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<v Speaker 3>to the November poll.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, totally, No, Donald Trump has been very outspoken about that.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, Like I said, I have no particularly strong

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<v Speaker 5>underlying sympathy for Julina Song, but he probably has already

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<v Speaker 5>heat his punishment. I mean, he's essentially been in exile

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<v Speaker 5>there in the embassy over in the UK, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>for years and years now, so you know, good for

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<v Speaker 5>this whole situation that's in the rear view mirror. This

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<v Speaker 5>story has been dragging out for many, many years now.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think you're probably right, reader. Is probably Joe

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<v Speaker 5>Biden trying not to let Donald Trump get there on

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<v Speaker 5>a debate stage, potentially as early as this week, this

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<v Speaker 5>Thursday evening here in the US, and say that he's

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<v Speaker 5>going to party Julia Singe and then steal Joe Biden's

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<v Speaker 5>thunder for him.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, the next story has the potential to upset some viewers.

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<v Speaker 3>Prosecutors in Texas will argue the illegal migrants who stand

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<v Speaker 3>accused of murdering a twelve year old girl in Houston.

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<v Speaker 3>They say they these men lured the girl under a bridge,

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<v Speaker 3>tied her up, stripped her naked from the waist down,

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<v Speaker 3>assaulted her for two hours, then strangled her and dumped

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<v Speaker 3>her body in the water in evidence. If evidence is

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<v Speaker 3>found that this girl was sexually assaulted, Josh, the accused

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<v Speaker 3>could face the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 12>Age is not the only consideration in this case, or

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<v Speaker 12>any case, the underlying actions of the criminals. This victim

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<v Speaker 12>was found you bound and without clothing from the waist

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<v Speaker 12>down in the water.

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<v Speaker 1>The DA's office says that they are waiting on results

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<v Speaker 1>of testing to determine if a sexual assault happened. If

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<v Speaker 1>they find that that happened, this case would be eligible

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<v Speaker 1>for the death penalty in the state of Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh.

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<v Speaker 3>These men crossed illegally into the US earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 3>but had initially been fitted with ankle monitors, but one

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 3>of them cut it off and the other had it

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<v Speaker 3>removed after it was determined he had no known criminal history.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, Rita.

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<v Speaker 5>Bill Malougan is a very talented Fox News reporter who

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<v Speaker 5>here in the US tracks the immigration issue very closely,

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<v Speaker 5>and he had a tweet on Friday that I was

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<v Speaker 5>studying very carefully where he said that even holding aside

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<v Speaker 5>illegal immigration, just holding aside and looking at I llegal immigration.

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<v Speaker 5>There have now been over one million migrants who have

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<v Speaker 5>come in through the Customs and Border Protection one mobile

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 5>app between the ports of entry of the US southern

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 5>border along with the Biden administrations very underdiscussed mass parole

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 5>program where he's basically flying in migrants from a lot

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 5>of Latin American countries in the dark of the night,

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 5>shipping them to the interior of the country. That's what's

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<v Speaker 5>being done quote unquote legally. So imagine how bad the

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<v Speaker 5>illegal situation is. I mean, it's absolutely appalling reading this

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<v Speaker 5>has happened in Houston, Texas. I lived in Houston, Texas.

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 5>In fact, when I was clerking for a federal judge

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 5>based in Texas, I actually remember reading a very dark

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 5>and graphic criminal case along these lines. It was an

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 5>international sex trafficking ring involving NS three team, the cartels

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 5>based there in Houston, Texas. They had underage girls as

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 5>sex slaves. Horrific stuff. Anyone who cares, ultimately, at the

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<v Speaker 5>end of the day, anyone who cares about human rights, justice,

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 5>all the concepts that these far left progressives claim to

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 5>care about. If you care about that, you have to

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<v Speaker 5>support a secure border, because the United States Southern border

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<v Speaker 5>being the way that it is right now, is the

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<v Speaker 5>most inhuman, most unjust thing imaginable. And as it comes

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<v Speaker 5>to these illegal aliens, who obviously, by definition of being

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 5>illegal aliens never ever ever should have been in the

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<v Speaker 5>country in the first place. They're not alone. By the way,

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 5>Lake and Riley and Georgia, we saw what happened to her.

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 5>She was murdered in New York City. You had an

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<v Speaker 5>illegal alien who appears to have raped a thirteen year

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 5>old girl as well. This is happening all across the country.

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<v Speaker 5>But when it comes to these people in Texas, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>a barred attorney still in Texas. I live in Florida.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm still a barre attorney in Texas. The death penalty

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<v Speaker 5>is very much still good law in Texas. These two people,

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<v Speaker 5>if they are determined to be the culprits there. They

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<v Speaker 5>should fry at least once, ideally multiple times for this.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you mentioned the leftist progressive and the ones on

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 3>MSNBC seem to be utterly divorced from reality. I played

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<v Speaker 3>footage yesterday of MSNBC host Simone Sanders discussing this case,

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 3>but she seems to be preoccupied with the term illegal immigrants.

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 3>She thinks that's not proper. Watch this footage.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you tell the parents of those people, those

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<v Speaker 2>young girls who were killed.

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<v Speaker 7>This is you're preponderance of these But what is the

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<v Speaker 7>difference between the legal immigrant who unfortunately engages in that activity?

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<v Speaker 2>And we don't like that.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to be clear, we don't do the term

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<v Speaker 5>illegal a document.

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<v Speaker 8>A document.

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<v Speaker 3>Josh, what can you say about that. We can't say

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 3>illegal immigrant to describe an illegal immigrant. We've got to

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<v Speaker 3>use the word undocumented because it's more PC. I mean,

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 3>talk about completely losing sight of the real issue here.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, look, I mean it was George or Well who

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<v Speaker 5>famously said that he who controls the language controls the population.

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 5>The left, the left has been doing a very very

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<v Speaker 5>good job of this in recent years in the United States.

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 5>In fact, they've been that they've actually been doing it

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<v Speaker 5>for a much longer time as well. You can go

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<v Speaker 5>back as far read as the nineteen sixties, you know,

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 5>back during the John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson presidencies,

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<v Speaker 5>when they start passing civil rights legislation, when their landmark

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 5>pieces of legislation was called the Voting Rights Sacks. And

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 5>there's this famous Supreme Court oral argument from twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 5>or the late great conservative justice Anthony Scalia is talking

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 5>to the lawyers arguing, and he goes the voting right SATs.

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<v Speaker 5>What kind of congressman in the right name whatever vote

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 5>against a bill called the Voting right sack. So the

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<v Speaker 5>fix has kind of been when they come to naming bills,

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<v Speaker 5>when they come to naming identity groups here. But you

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<v Speaker 5>know this individual on MSNBC, You know how hard is

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<v Speaker 5>it to actually use the term illegal when someone is

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<v Speaker 5>here illegally. These are people whose first act, who's literal

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<v Speaker 5>first act, their physical foot stepping across the Rio Grande

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 5>into this country isn't act of illegality and criminality. They

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<v Speaker 5>are illegal aliens still under US law, and the left

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<v Speaker 5>wing media should say it what it is. They are

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<v Speaker 5>illegal aliens, say it illegally. It's not that horidoniously.

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<v Speaker 3>Well for the left, often saying the truth is very difficult. Indeed,

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 3>that's why they would like to come up with the

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 3>prettier words that hide the real issues. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>talk to you about the ESG phenomenon. MasterCard is being

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<v Speaker 3>pressured by SG activists to drop support for organizations such

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 3>as this State Financial Officers Foundation ESG. It stands for Environmental,

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Social and Governance. But it seems to be Josh just

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<v Speaker 3>a way to push the leftist agenda in the corporate

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<v Speaker 3>world using shareholders' money. And it's not just MasterCard that's

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 3>been targeted by these activists. You've got JP, Morgan, Lockeing Martin,

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 3>a whole bunch of corporates. And I wonder just how

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<v Speaker 3>influential and powerful is this ESJ philosophy in the corporate world.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think it reached its apex probably a year

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<v Speaker 5>to a year and a half ago. It's actually been

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<v Speaker 5>on the dcline, is my understanding, since then. You know,

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 5>ESG RITA I think is best viewed as the financial

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 5>wing of the broader DEI diversity, equity and Inclusion movement.

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 5>So the DEI is kind of the social aspect. That's

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 5>how you got the the woke stuff on the university campuses.

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 5>ESG is basically just the investing financial elements of that.

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 5>But you know it's the it's the major institutional investors

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:38.720
<v Speaker 5>like Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street. It's firms like that really

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 5>who were the biggest proponents of ESG, especially Blackrock probably

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 5>above all Larry Fink, the CEO of there was all

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 5>in on the ESG agenda in recent years there, but

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 5>they actually started pulling back on ESG. I think it

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<v Speaker 5>was The Wall Street Journal had a long deep dive

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<v Speaker 5>of an essay on this last year because the very

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.840
<v Speaker 5>simple reason readA. There's no demand for anymore. I mean,

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 5>the American people and investors don't want this because reasonably speaking,

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 5>when you invest riata, what do you want? You want returns,

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 5>you want ROI, you want to return on A.

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Was there ever any real demand for it or was

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:16.280
<v Speaker 3>it just something that was pushed by the corporate activist class,

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 3>because I can't imagine shareholders being preoccupied with this staff A.

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:24.240
<v Speaker 3>Shareholders want to return on their money, and this seems

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:29.959
<v Speaker 3>to be just relentless leftist activism masquerading as some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of corporate responsibility.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, there was never a

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 5>demand for this, because again, people who are living check

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 5>to paycheck with a pension fund or retire infund whenever,

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 5>they just want money for goodness it. They don't particularly

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 5>care how it's done as long as it's legal, right.

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>This reminds me of actually the whole ESGU debate. It

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 5>reminds me actually of the whole bud Light Dylan Mulvany

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 5>fiasco that happened here in the US a little over

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 5>a year ago, where bud Light had the the transgender influencer.

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 5>I mean, was there really a demand among kind of

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 5>college friend boys for drinking a beer with a transgender

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 5>individual like printed on the logan?

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<v Speaker 2>No, of course not.

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 5>I mean, this is some hair brained idea from some

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 5>Ivy League MBA graduate who thought this would be a

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 5>good agenda. And but White, by the way, paid the

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 5>price for it. And that's what you're starting to see

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 5>now when it comes to ESG, when it comes to

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 5>Black Rock Vanguard, there's just no demand for it. And finally,

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 5>finally they're actually just pulling these investment funds from their shelves.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is another example of that, IBM is facing

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 3>a lawsuit from Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey over its

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 3>diversity quotas. This is the DEI program Diversity Equity Inclusion.

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:43.040
<v Speaker 3>Bailey calls it corporate racism. He's accusing the company of

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:47.920
<v Speaker 3>violating the Missouri Human Rights Act by subjecting job applicants

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:53.240
<v Speaker 3>to unlawful racial quotas, blatantly favoring applicants of certain skin

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 3>color over others, and facing employees pay an employment status

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 3>on whether they partici pat in these discriminatory practices. This

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:04.839
<v Speaker 3>is a turn up for the books, and I think

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:08.359
<v Speaker 3>we're going to say more lawsuits like this because it

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 3>is corporate racism. They're not even ashamed of it. They

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:15.440
<v Speaker 3>promote these programs.

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they shout it from the rooftops. I mean, they

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:22.320
<v Speaker 5>are extraordinarily proud of the fact that at the corporate

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:26.360
<v Speaker 5>level they are increasingly openly and overtly discriminating against you know,

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:28.560
<v Speaker 5>white male Christians would be the absolute, you know, the

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:31.879
<v Speaker 5>highest quote unquote oppressor status, right, but you know it's

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.479
<v Speaker 5>also Asians, I mean Jews obviously, I mean any number

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 5>of other groups as well. Here, you know, good for Missouri,

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.239
<v Speaker 5>this is a this is a good lawsuit when you

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 5>have a democratic administration, a very activist democratic administration, life

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 5>you bid administration in place. Probably the single most effective

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 5>tip of the spear in terms of fighting back, especially

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 5>with US Congress as divided as it is, it is

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<v Speaker 5>going to come from the state level, and that's going

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<v Speaker 5>to come from the various Republican attorneys general or fortunate

0:37:57.920 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 5>right now where we have a number of high pro

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 5>file Republican attorney's general. Ken Paxon in Texas would probably

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 5>be the number one, most vocal and most active, So

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.320
<v Speaker 5>it's really encouraging to see others besides Ken pax and

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 5>step up. Here in Florida, we have Ashley Moody who's

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 5>also done a pretty good job of late pushing back

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 5>on the Biden administration's Title nine transgender policy things like that.

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.839
<v Speaker 5>So it's really good from a perspective of wanting to

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 5>stop the WOK agenda. More broadly, speaking of senior Republican

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 5>attorney general step up, so good for the state of

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 5>Missouri when it comes to this particular Lossit hopefully more

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 5>will follow.

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<v Speaker 3>Now before you go, I've got to ask you about

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.880
<v Speaker 3>the latest polls. Donald Trump is leading Joe Biden in

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 3>all seven swing states. According to some recent polling de

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 3>Spy the Democrats Law fair and political prosecutions. In twenty twenty,

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 3>Biden won six of the seven swing states. And we've

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 3>got the great debate happening this Friday, our time. How

0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:01.800
<v Speaker 3>can Biden recover in the polls? What can the Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>and their institutional allies do to fortify another election?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's a great question. I mean, there candidate

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 5>is in very very bad shape right now, not just politically,

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 5>but obviously physically and mentally as well. Nothing is going

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 5>particularly well right now for the Biden Harris campaign. And

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 5>it's funny because Joe Biden has essentially been locked up

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 5>at Camp David, at the presidential compound in suburban Maryland

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 5>for the past week while he's trying to prepare for

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.879
<v Speaker 5>this debate. Apparently he realized that the stakes are very high.

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 5>Although I have to say that does raise the obvious

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 5>question as to who is running the country when he's

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 5>just holds up there at Camp Data preparing for this debate.

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you know, who's managing the world's largest economy.

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 5>I actually have no idea, to be honest with you,

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 5>but the stakes are obviously extremely high in this debate. Now,

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 5>the expectations have been set so low that if Joe

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:56.640
<v Speaker 5>Biden essentially stands up there and gets at least a

0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 5>few coherent sentences in, and if he doesn't keel over

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.279
<v Speaker 5>and has to be rushed to the er before it's over,

0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 5>they will probably be able to chalk it up in

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<v Speaker 5>the Democratic Party's fundraising emails as some sort of win.

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<v Speaker 5>So lowering expectations is half the battle, but they're going

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<v Speaker 5>to have to come up with something more than that.

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<v Speaker 5>They're going to run very hard on the abortion issue,

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<v Speaker 5>or they're going to try to do the whole twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twelve playbook. They's so called Republican war on women. They're

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<v Speaker 5>trying to gin that up. But it's not working, reader,

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<v Speaker 5>because ultimately, at the end of the day, the voters

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<v Speaker 5>here care about the economy, inflation, crime, and the open

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<v Speaker 5>border issue, and those are the issues, frankly, that Joe

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<v Speaker 5>Biden has failed epically on, and independent and swing state

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<v Speaker 5>voters see it for what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, Josh Hemma, thank you so much for your

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<v Speaker 3>time this evening. Thank you still to come. A Christian

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<v Speaker 3>academic is facing cancelation, but she is fighting back. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>speak to her next. Welcome back. My next guest is

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<v Speaker 3>an academic, a law professor at the University of Adelaide.

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<v Speaker 3>But she's also a Christian. She's pro life, she's pro

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<v Speaker 3>free speech, and that has seen her targeted in her

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<v Speaker 3>workplace with a multitude of complaints. As we know, with

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<v Speaker 3>these complaints, often the process is the punishment, and activists

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<v Speaker 3>are using the complaints processes at places like universities to

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<v Speaker 3>intimidate those who challenge their worldview. But doctor Joanna Howe

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<v Speaker 3>is fighting back and she joins me. Now, Joanna, you've

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<v Speaker 3>submitted a stop bullying application to the Fair Work Commission

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<v Speaker 3>against the University of Adelaide. Tell me why you are

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<v Speaker 3>receiving so many complaints and have any of these complaints

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<v Speaker 3>stood up.

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<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 13>First of all, Rita, thank you so much for having

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<v Speaker 13>me on your show. And look, I started speaking out

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<v Speaker 13>about abortion close to two years ago on social media.

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<v Speaker 13>I've been researching it that for a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 13>But the decision I made to speak up publicly was

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<v Speaker 13>because South Australia, the state where I live, had legislated

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<v Speaker 13>abortion up to birth and for any reason, and for

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<v Speaker 13>me that was just a bridge too far, and I

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<v Speaker 13>felt that I had to speak out about that, so

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<v Speaker 13>I started posting daily content to Instagram, where you can

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<v Speaker 13>find me at doctor Joanna Howe, and through that I've

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<v Speaker 13>been disseminating my research.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm now on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 13>Facebook, YouTube, and it's a way of getting information out

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<v Speaker 13>to people and starting a conversation on the issue of abortion.

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<v Speaker 13>Of course, I knew that complaints from activists were going

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<v Speaker 13>to be part of the course because I'm challenging the

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<v Speaker 13>pro abortion narrative of academia, of the media, of large corporates.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, this is sort of a situation really of

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<v Speaker 13>David and Goliath, and I knew that I was taking

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<v Speaker 13>this on, and in fact, doctor Debbie Garrett had written

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<v Speaker 13>a book called alarmis Gatekeeping, which traced how anybody from

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<v Speaker 13>Amanda Stoker to the CEO of White Ribbon, if they're dead,

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<v Speaker 13>speak about abortion from a critical perspective. They had been

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<v Speaker 13>try They've been bullied and been harassed and significant attempt

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<v Speaker 13>at cancelation. So I knew there was going to be

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<v Speaker 13>an avalanche of complaints to my employer, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 13>think that that was sufficient to stop me speaking because

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<v Speaker 13>the issue was so important. What I didn't know is

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<v Speaker 13>that the university would would take all of these complaints forward,

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<v Speaker 13>because I guess believed in the fact that there's an

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<v Speaker 13>obligation on the university to protect academic freedom and that's

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<v Speaker 13>first and foremost, and that the idea of a university

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<v Speaker 13>is built on that.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it has.

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<v Speaker 13>Taken me by surprise to you know, to be doing

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<v Speaker 13>this for two years and to have been the subject

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<v Speaker 13>of five workplace investigations. You know, nobody should have to

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<v Speaker 13>go through that. It has been significant. It has tested

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<v Speaker 13>my resolve. None of the complaints have actually been substantiated.

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<v Speaker 13>I have not been found guilty of any misconduct, and

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<v Speaker 13>to be clear, the vast majority of the complaints have

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<v Speaker 13>come from activists outside the university weaponizing the complaints system

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<v Speaker 13>against me, and to me, that's not fair, and that's

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<v Speaker 13>why I have taken this action in the Fair Work Commission.

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<v Speaker 3>I can understand it would be enormously stressful to be

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<v Speaker 3>under investigation constantly, one after another, even if you ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>are found to have done nothing wrong. But isn't the

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<v Speaker 3>university obliged to investigate every time a complaint is made?

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<v Speaker 3>Are these complaints deemed vexatious or as a university once

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<v Speaker 3>the process is started obliged to follow through.

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<v Speaker 13>The university first and foremost has an obligation to protecting

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<v Speaker 13>academic freedom.

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<v Speaker 3>The idea of a university.

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<v Speaker 13>Is based on the concept that even if you're a

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<v Speaker 13>scholar researching inn and highly controversial area, that you are

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<v Speaker 13>protected because this is a way of finding truth. It's

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<v Speaker 13>the marketplace of ideas, and scholarships shouldn't be controlled by

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<v Speaker 13>what the dominant ideology is at the time. And this

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<v Speaker 13>has been really important in human history to help us

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<v Speaker 13>reach the truth on really important issues of critical importance

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<v Speaker 13>to us as a society, as a civilization. So the

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<v Speaker 13>idea of a university is based on academic freedom. It's

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<v Speaker 13>a right that I have and all academics have in

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<v Speaker 13>the EBA, in our enterprise agreements, and there's actually an

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<v Speaker 13>obligation on the university to dismiss complaints that I made vexatiously.

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<v Speaker 13>And just to give you an example reader of what

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<v Speaker 13>I've been through. On January twenty fourth this year, I

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<v Speaker 13>received an email from my boss which cleared me from

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<v Speaker 13>the most recent investigation, which had landed in the middle

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<v Speaker 13>of December and had happened because a bunch of TikTok

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<v Speaker 13>activists had got together run a TikTok campaign on it,

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<v Speaker 13>complaining to the University of Adelaide. They put in my

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<v Speaker 13>boss's email, they put in research integrity, and so they

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<v Speaker 13>were just you know, riling each other up, and the

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<v Speaker 13>university received an avalanche of complaints and I had to

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<v Speaker 13>you know, receive that notification from my boss. I had

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<v Speaker 13>to respond to the allegations, and ultimately, on the twenty

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<v Speaker 13>fourth of January, I found out that I'd been cleared.

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<v Speaker 13>But less than two hours later, I received another email

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<v Speaker 13>from another department in the university telling me that a

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<v Speaker 13>new investigation had been opened up, this time on research miconduct,

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<v Speaker 13>again prompted by activists outside the universities. These are not

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<v Speaker 13>my students in the classroom who are complaining about my teaching.

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<v Speaker 13>These are not substantive critiques of my research. It's people

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<v Speaker 13>who want to get me sacked because they want to

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<v Speaker 13>shut down what I'm saying, because I'm sharing really uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 13>truths about where we've got to with the regulation of

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<v Speaker 13>abortion in Australia. You know, on social media and even

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<v Speaker 13>on your show, Reader, I've talked about the fact that

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<v Speaker 13>in Australia we have a situation that baby's born alive

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<v Speaker 13>after an abortion can be left to die. They don't

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<v Speaker 13>have a right to legal care. I've talked about the

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<v Speaker 13>fact that abortion is legal up to birth and for

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<v Speaker 13>any reason. Only thirty one percent of Australians according to

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<v Speaker 13>an IPSOS poll, support that up until twenty weeks. And

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<v Speaker 13>I think the other side wants to cancel me and

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<v Speaker 13>shut down my voice because they know that I'm being effective.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm getting my message out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I've reached five.

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<v Speaker 13>Million people in close to two years on social media,

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<v Speaker 13>and so they have to they have to get rid

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<v Speaker 13>of me because it's going to affect change.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you're right, that message, the pro life message, even

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<v Speaker 3>if you're just arguing against late term abortion, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>something that gets much coverage at all. And polling fairly consistently,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly polling in the US, which has done far more

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<v Speaker 3>often than here, shows that even those who are pro

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<v Speaker 3>abortion pro choice in the first trimester, are against late

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<v Speaker 3>term abortion in the third trimester and even in the

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<v Speaker 3>second trimester. So this is a far more nuanced topic

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<v Speaker 3>for a lot of people than the media. Let on,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're part of that debate. Now, you are a

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<v Speaker 3>mother of five, you're a Rhodes scholar, you're a law professor,

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<v Speaker 3>you're obviously a woman of color. But none of that

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<v Speaker 3>seems to matter to the so called tolerant left who

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<v Speaker 3>tell us they value diversity. The way you've been treated

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<v Speaker 3>that did determined to cancel you, are they going to succeed?

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<v Speaker 3>Would in life be easier for you if you focused

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<v Speaker 3>on your lectures and left the activism to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 13>So I have always devoted my research to addressing vulnerability

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<v Speaker 13>in all its forms, and in speaking out for our

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<v Speaker 13>most vulnerable Australians and using my research and sharing it

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<v Speaker 13>on social media in the way that I've been doing.

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<v Speaker 13>That is something that I will not stop doing. And

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<v Speaker 13>you know, as a mother of five, this is personal

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<v Speaker 13>to me. I am not just an academic, but I'm

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<v Speaker 13>a mother who have children that will one day go

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<v Speaker 13>to university. And if you think about the abuse, harassment

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<v Speaker 13>and bullying that I have been through as an academic,

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<v Speaker 13>as a professor of law and as a Hodes scholar,

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<v Speaker 13>think about what this means for students in the classroom,

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<v Speaker 13>who have every right to demand to be subjected to

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<v Speaker 13>not woken doctrination from the radical left's ideology on everything

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<v Speaker 13>from gender to abortion. They have a right to pursue

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<v Speaker 13>critical thinking and the freedom to do that. So if

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<v Speaker 13>I'm being treated in this way, then I share about

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<v Speaker 13>what's going on for us students.

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<v Speaker 3>And you would hope at university you would be hearing

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<v Speaker 3>diverse viewpoints. That's not the time to be debating these

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<v Speaker 3>issues and just broadening your horizons. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>is a doctor, Joanna House, thank you for your time

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<v Speaker 3>this evening, and that's it from me. Up next is Newsnight.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll see you at eleven tomorrow. Good night,