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Speaker 1: On scoring wields Ostrodia.

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Speaker 2: This is the Reader Paney Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, Anne, Welcome to the Reader Panekey Show. Coming

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Speaker 3: up tonight. Labor doubles down on incoming Governor General Sam

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Speaker 3: Moyston's outrageous pay increase. Professor in Plymer fact check some

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Speaker 3: of the left's nuclear claims, and later in the hour,

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Speaker 3: an Australian academic, a law professor, claims she's been bullied

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Speaker 3: by activists who cannot tolerate her Christian views. Josh Hammer

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Speaker 3: will bring us the latest from the US, including the

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Speaker 3: deal that freed Wikilis leader Julia Sange, and we never

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Speaker 3: neglect to bring you the segment that has millions of

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Speaker 3: views online each and every week. Left he's losing it.

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Speaker 4: So the reason why people heat fat people is because

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Speaker 4: people heat black people. And appearing curvely or bigger is

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Speaker 4: associated with blackness, especially black women, and that's where they're

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Speaker 4: discriminated in the workplace.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Harold's Sun colonist Patrick Carline. Patrick.

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Speaker 3: Earlier today, you were in the Supreme Court for the

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Speaker 3: Greg Lynn case. A astonishing verdict here he was charged

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Speaker 3: with double murder. He was found guilty of one and

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Speaker 3: not guilty of the other.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Look, the jury took seven days to come

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Speaker 2: back with their verdict. I think by today most people

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Speaker 2: were thinking it might be a mistrial or a hung jury.

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Speaker 2: The jury asked some questions yesterday. They gave some indication

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Speaker 2: that they might actually try and convict for the murder

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Speaker 2: of Carol Clay as opposed to Russell Hill. And it

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Speaker 2: seems that the jury basically didn't believe the story that

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Speaker 2: Greg Lynn put up about a struggle was resulting in

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Speaker 2: a headshot wound to Carol Clay. So look, there was

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Speaker 2: some sense of it in the question yesterday. But I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of people will be very surprised by

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Speaker 2: such a deliberate sort of verdict, very precise verdict.

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Speaker 3: There are legal observers, lawyers who are absolutely shocked. But

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Speaker 3: I guess when they took manslaughter off the table to

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Speaker 3: be not guilty or murder, perhaps that explains today's verdict.

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Speaker 3: How long before we get a sentence on this.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it will take months. I think there's

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Speaker 2: the next court date is in July. That's just to mention.

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Speaker 2: It'll take another few months after that, and you might

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Speaker 2: see some appeals as well.

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Speaker 3: In this case goes on now. The following story could

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Speaker 3: be distressing to some viewers. A new video has emerged

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Speaker 3: of three wounded and terrifying young men taken hostage by

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Speaker 3: her Mass on October seven. The men Hirsh Goldberg, Poland,

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Speaker 3: Or Levi and Elijah Cohen were at the Nova Music Festival.

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Speaker 3: The footage shows the terrified, bloodied men on the flatbed

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Speaker 3: of a pickup truck. One of the men, Hirsh Goldberg Poland,

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Speaker 3: has suffered a horrific injury, with part of his left

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Speaker 3: arm blown off by her mass grenade. This footage was

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Speaker 3: uncovered by the IDF and was last night shared by

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Speaker 3: the families of the three hostages. Oh no good, but,

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Speaker 3: a statement from the Hostages and Missing Families Forum says,

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Speaker 3: this harrowing footage stands as a damning testament to the

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Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty two day long abandonment of our

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Speaker 3: loved ones. Hersh Alion or were taken alive and they

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Speaker 3: must return alive today, Patrick, This footage again reveals the

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Speaker 3: sub human savagery of her Mass, the brutality, and there

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Speaker 3: is increasing pressure on President Joe Biden to do something.

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Speaker 3: Given one of those men, Hirsh Goldwig Poland is an

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Speaker 3: American citizen.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Look absolutely, I mean you can understand that pressure

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Speaker 2: being applied. I mean, if there was Australian there, you

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Speaker 2: would hope that the Australian authorities would do everything to

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Speaker 2: free an Australian hostage. You can see why that pressures.

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Speaker 2: You're going to ratch that up as time goes on. Look,

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Speaker 2: I think it's important that footage is shown because it

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Speaker 2: seems that we've got lost in the pro Palestine sort

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Speaker 2: of retoric that this actually all started by the massacre

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Speaker 2: of eleven hundred people and they saw one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty six hostages being kept in gas or at the moment,

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Speaker 2: if those hostages were released, we wouldn't be having a

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Speaker 2: war the way that it is going at the moment,

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Speaker 2: would we.

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Speaker 3: Well no, And this is the thing that I do

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Speaker 3: not understand from the anti Israeli activist, pro Palestinian whatever

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Speaker 3: you want to call them. If they at their protest

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Speaker 3: mass then they would have a lot more credibility than

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Speaker 3: they do. But they refuse to do that. And in fact,

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Speaker 3: if you turn up to one of these protests holding

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Speaker 3: her mass a terrorist sign, you're the one who gets attacked.

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Speaker 3: So that kind of tells you the mindset a lot

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Speaker 3: of these activists. They are not really interested in a

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Speaker 3: would be calling for the hostages to be released. Now

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Speaker 3: the nuclear debate rages on, we've got intelligent discourse, and

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Speaker 3: we've got some juvenile scare mongering of some from some

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Speaker 3: that the left cannot mean they're just no good at it.

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Speaker 3: We've seen Labor pushing various memes as part of this

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Speaker 3: Look at this effort from the official account of the

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Speaker 3: Australian Council of Trade Unions. So so it's been a

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Speaker 3: pro loving heat Now let me see, I'm the biggest heater.

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Speaker 5: I hate the way that you walk, the way did

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Speaker 5: you talk, I hate the way did you dress?

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Speaker 2: I hate the way did you sneak this? If I

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Speaker 2: test flame, it's gonna be the writ.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who that's convincing. But then again, I'm

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Speaker 3: not in the TikTok world. That was also on Instagram

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Speaker 3: where I spotted it. How do you see this debate going?

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Speaker 3: We mock the scare mongering, but it can actually be

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Speaker 3: very effective.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, it can be. I don't think something like

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Speaker 2: that's very efficive, to be perfectly honest. I think what's

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Speaker 2: got lost in this debate is Australia's one out against

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Speaker 2: so much of the world. You look at the g

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Speaker 2: twenty countries fourteen you produce nuclear power two or three

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Speaker 2: hours others are looking to do so we're one out

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Speaker 2: with this ideological sort of fear that nuclear is going

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Speaker 2: to sort of, you know, be dangerous. And what also

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Speaker 2: gets lost in this is we're going to be reliant

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Speaker 2: on whether it's coal or gas or nuclear for a

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Speaker 2: very long time. And if we don't go nuclear, the

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Speaker 2: renewals aren't going to cut it, certainly not reliably across

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Speaker 2: the board for a very long time. Hopefully they do it,

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Speaker 2: but we need something to make energy reliable. Why not

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Speaker 2: look at nuclear? Why not look at it?

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Speaker 3: Well, we're sitting on the world's biggest reserves of uranium.

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Speaker 3: You would think that would be one good reason to

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Speaker 3: look at newtu We're not doing much gas exploration or

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Speaker 3: coal plants, so base load power has to come from somewhere. Now,

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Speaker 3: let's talk about the Governor General. The incoming Governor General

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Speaker 3: has been much criticism yesterday about the fat pay increase

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Speaker 3: that she's going to receive, But Labor is defending Sam

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Speaker 3: Mouston's salary package, which is more than forty percent higher

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Speaker 3: than the current GG David Hurley. This really, to me

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Speaker 3: is in defensible Patrick. You look at the perks that

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Speaker 3: come with this job, the staff, the residents, the first

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Speaker 3: class travel. It really should not have a salary that's

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Speaker 3: higher than the Prime Minister. How is that justified?

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Speaker 2: It's a forty three percent pay rise on the current raide.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in this cost of living sort of crisis

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Speaker 2: that we're living in, how do you justify that. It's

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Speaker 2: been on every front page of every newspaper across Australia today.

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Speaker 2: People are talking about it, People are outraged. Why make

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Speaker 2: this choice and pegging it to the Chief Justice of

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Speaker 2: the High Court. That's a real job.

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Speaker 3: This is a ceremonial role. This is someone who goes

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Speaker 3: to morning teas and cuts ribbons and attends functions. It

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Speaker 3: is not a role that is enormously taxing intellectually, unless

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Speaker 3: there's some sort of a constitutional crisis once in a century,

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Speaker 3: then you'll be acted on to make some decisions. But

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Speaker 3: I think something like this really should go to an

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Speaker 3: eminent Australian and it should not have a salary attached,

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Speaker 3: because the perks you get with the job are significant.

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Speaker 3: I think it should almost be like I don't know,

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Speaker 3: afol club president, where you don't get a salary but

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Speaker 3: it comes with great prestige and its important role. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure there will be a lot of eminent

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Speaker 3: Australians who still put up their hand to do it. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: Maybe not leftist activists like this one.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I won't get into that.

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Speaker 3: But yes, yes, Now I want to speak about quantas

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Speaker 3: because they're not what they used to be. I fly

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Speaker 3: them often, I can talk you that firsthand, and they

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Speaker 3: used to be considered one of the top airlines in

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Speaker 3: the world. They're all normally in the top ten airlines,

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Speaker 3: but now they're not even the top twenty. According to

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Speaker 3: the latest Skytracks Awards, Qatar Airways is number one in

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Speaker 3: the world, with quantas sitting at a lowly twenty four.

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Speaker 3: The spirit of Australia ain't what it used to be. Patrick,

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 2: Most Australians would be surprised at Corners made the top

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Speaker 2: twenty four offline Singapore offlowing Qatar. As we all have

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Speaker 2: from time to time. There is such a distinct difference

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Speaker 2: between the service of a good airline and then there's quantas.

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Speaker 3: They charge like a premium airline, but there's service levels

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Speaker 3: I think approaching budget levels.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and they've lost the trust of Australians through the

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Speaker 2: Shenanigans under Alan Joyce in the last few years. It

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Speaker 2: used to be this wonderful brand that we also looked

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Speaker 2: up to it as an icon. Now it's not. Now

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Speaker 2: it's just a very expensive.

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Speaker 3: Plane, that's it. And I think people who travel regularly

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Speaker 3: have learned that those who travel infrequently still perhaps old,

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Speaker 3: put Quantus on a pedestal, but one bad experience and

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Speaker 3: that all changes now. To a report from the Herald

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Speaker 3: signs of Michael warnerm Sports Integrity Australia warning that the

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Speaker 3: AFL and other Australian sports need to take urgent action

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Speaker 3: to combat illicit drug use by their athletes. This week,

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Speaker 3: they recommended an immediate overhaul of the AFL's illicit drug policy,

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Speaker 3: which allows players to avoid drug strikes and undergo off

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Speaker 3: the books testing under what they call a medical model.

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Speaker 3: The Chief of Sport of Integrity Australia, David Sharp, said

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Speaker 3: significant into vents is required immediately to address the illicit

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Speaker 3: drug culture in sport and the increasing and unacceptable risks

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Speaker 3: post of players, officials, clubs and Sporting codes. Sport Integrity Australia,

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Speaker 3: along with several partner organizations, have identified evidence across Australian

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Speaker 3: sports of clear dangers of criminals influencing sports through the

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Speaker 3: supply of illicit drugs, including by praying on athletes or

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Speaker 3: support staff to access inside information. And this is important

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Speaker 3: because we've got gambling, it's enormous sports gambling. You've got

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Speaker 3: the criminal world and the manner in which players are

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Speaker 3: accessing these drugs. You could see players officials being blackmailed

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Speaker 3: to provide information to behave in a corrupt manner. And

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Speaker 3: I wonder if the Sporting codes are really treating this

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Speaker 3: as seriously as they should.

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Speaker 2: I think mister Sharpe makes a very good point there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I like bet lots of us, do

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Speaker 2: you can bet on the first ball or a cricket

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Speaker 2: match being a no ball, or the first serve of

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Speaker 2: a tennis match being a fault. Now, if you have

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Speaker 2: players who are potentially leveraged by the various elements, I

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Speaker 2: mean it's not a big step to imagine that that

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Speaker 2: sort of thing and that sort of corruption of the

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Speaker 2: sport could happen pretty readily, and certainly off camera as well.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a very good point. I think it's

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Speaker 2: something that we need to look at very closely.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely in the AFL, in particular with that ridiculous drug

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Speaker 3: policy which is really designed to make sure no player

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Speaker 2: And well, the players have been gaming it for years

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Speaker 2: and years, are they.

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Speaker 2: Actually the Act one hundred percent renewal energy day night,

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Speaker 3: The activist class, including much of the media, seem to

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Speaker 3: And I'm not sure if you've seen this piece in

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Speaker 3: because well, because nuclear is the most expensive form of electricity.

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Speaker 8: Well, if you read the Guardian, you deserve to be mislead.

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Speaker 8: does nothing. And what people should understand is that one

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Speaker 3: Now. Mike O'Connor wrote in The Career Mail that Anthony

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Speaker 3: I'm sure Adam Bant will see that as a challenge

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Speaker 3: Excuse the pun with the scare mongering, with the hyperbole.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think mister Dutton's announcement of nuclear caught the

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Speaker 9: They didn't consider that such words could come out of

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Speaker 8: They do not accept reality. They treat the electorate as stupid.

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Speaker 8: They exaggerate, they have absolute meltdowns, and people are not

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Speaker 3: I've only got thirty seconds, but your thoughts on Matt

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Speaker 3: Keane and this new appointment. Is that going to be

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Speaker 8: Well, it's not going to be a game change at all.

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Speaker 8: He's been a joke for a long while, and it's

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Speaker 8: So I'm surprised that he was in the Liberal parties

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Speaker 3: I primer, thank you for your time. This evening still

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Speaker 3: to come. Left is losing it and Josh Hammer on

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Speaker 3: the politics behind the Julian Assance decision, welcome back. Now

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Speaker 3: it's time for lefties losing it. Did you know that

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Speaker 3: wanting to be fit and healthy is racist and fat

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Speaker 4: Anti fatness is rooted in anti blackness and The reason

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Speaker 4: It all comes back to white supremacy, which is the

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Speaker 3: Now to a lefty dude telling us he's going to

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Speaker 3: lose it if Trump wins again, listen to this rant.

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Speaker 3: Sounds to me like this unhinged lefty is making threats.

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Speaker 3: Is anyone of the FBI watching If.

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump wins, There're gonna be a lot of angry people.

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Speaker 10: I can't promise that there won't be some fighting, But

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Speaker 10: I promise you that you're not going to want your

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Speaker 2: People will die.

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Speaker 3: Interesting time to check in with the most powerful woman

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Speaker 3: in the world. Here, Kamala Harris explains presidential elections after

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Speaker 2: Why is the race so close?

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Speaker 11: These races are always close. It's the election of the

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Speaker 11: president of the United States, and everyone in an election

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Speaker 11: for president United States will critically examine all the issues

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Speaker 3: Profound, profound. I think I might just listen to that

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Speaker 3: again because Kamala she just makes you think, doesn't she.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sad to report it's happened again. Another Jerry

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Speaker 3: Seinfeld show in Australia has been disrupted by anti Israeli activists.

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Speaker 3: That's the third or fourth time in about a week,

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Speaker 3: and each time Jerry points out these lefties losing it.

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Speaker 3: They are in the wrong place. They are only annoying

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Speaker 8: Who would want to do well like I am?

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Speaker 1: Look at the people here and hear me, look at

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Speaker 1: what happened to you.

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Speaker 10: Here's the other thing.

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Speaker 12: I think you need to go back and tell who's

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Speaker 3: We just gave more money to a Jew.

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Speaker 10: And cannot be a good.

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Speaker 3: Plan for you, and let's enjoy this. Lefties losing a

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. It's two years to the day since

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Speaker 10: My sce.

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Speaker 5: My sight, my my.

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Speaker 3: Now let's bring in Josh Hammer, Senior editor at Large

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Speaker 3: at Newsweek and Article three Project Senior Council. Josh, I

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Speaker 3: want to speak about the border crisis and some of

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Speaker 3: the horrific crimes being committed by illegal immigrants. But let's

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Speaker 3: start with the news today that Wikiles founded. Julia Sange

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Speaker 3: And White was struck.

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Speaker 5: The plead deal appears to be a very favorable one

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Speaker 5: and civil liberties whistleblowers like him are very popular among younger,

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Speaker 5: to the voter blocks, well, a lot of gen Z

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Speaker 5: millennial folks are shifting away to Donald Trump. That's the

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Speaker 5: lens through which I view this. I think that it

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Speaker 5: is a political stunt ultimately at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: And I think Trump has been outspoken recently about pardoning Assange,

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Speaker 3: so it could have become a real debate leading up

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Speaker 3: to the November poll.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, totally, No, Donald Trump has been very outspoken about that.

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Speaker 5: You know, Like I said, I have no particularly strong

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Speaker 5: underlying sympathy for Julina Song, but he probably has already

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Speaker 5: heat his punishment. I mean, he's essentially been in exile

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Speaker 5: there in the embassy over in the UK, you know,

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Speaker 5: for years and years now, so you know, good for

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Speaker 5: this whole situation that's in the rear view mirror. This

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Speaker 5: story has been dragging out for many, many years now.

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Speaker 5: But I think you're probably right, reader. Is probably Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden trying not to let Donald Trump get there on

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Speaker 5: a debate stage, potentially as early as this week, this

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Speaker 5: Thursday evening here in the US, and say that he's

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Speaker 5: going to party Julia Singe and then steal Joe Biden's

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Speaker 5: thunder for him.

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Speaker 3: Now, the next story has the potential to upset some viewers.

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Speaker 3: Prosecutors in Texas will argue the illegal migrants who stand

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Speaker 3: accused of murdering a twelve year old girl in Houston.

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Speaker 3: They say they these men lured the girl under a bridge,

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Speaker 3: tied her up, stripped her naked from the waist down,

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Speaker 3: assaulted her for two hours, then strangled her and dumped

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Speaker 3: her body in the water in evidence. If evidence is

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Speaker 3: found that this girl was sexually assaulted, Josh, the accused

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Speaker 3: could face the death penalty.

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Speaker 12: Age is not the only consideration in this case, or

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Speaker 12: any case, the underlying actions of the criminals. This victim

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Speaker 12: was found you bound and without clothing from the waist

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Speaker 12: down in the water.

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Speaker 1: The DA's office says that they are waiting on results

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Speaker 1: of testing to determine if a sexual assault happened. If

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Speaker 1: they find that that happened, this case would be eligible

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Speaker 1: for the death penalty in the state of Texas.

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Speaker 2: Josh.

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Speaker 3: These men crossed illegally into the US earlier this year,

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Speaker 3: but had initially been fitted with ankle monitors, but one

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Speaker 3: of them cut it off and the other had it

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Speaker 3: removed after it was determined he had no known criminal history.

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Speaker 8: You know, Rita.

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Speaker 5: Bill Malougan is a very talented Fox News reporter who

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Speaker 5: here in the US tracks the immigration issue very closely,

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Speaker 5: and he had a tweet on Friday that I was

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Speaker 5: studying very carefully where he said that even holding aside

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Speaker 5: illegal immigration, just holding aside and looking at I llegal immigration.

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Speaker 5: There have now been over one million migrants who have

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Speaker 5: come in through the Customs and Border Protection one mobile

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Speaker 5: app between the ports of entry of the US southern

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Speaker 5: border along with the Biden administrations very underdiscussed mass parole

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Speaker 5: program where he's basically flying in migrants from a lot

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Speaker 5: of Latin American countries in the dark of the night,

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Speaker 5: shipping them to the interior of the country. That's what's

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Speaker 5: being done quote unquote legally. So imagine how bad the

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Speaker 5: illegal situation is. I mean, it's absolutely appalling reading this

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Speaker 5: has happened in Houston, Texas. I lived in Houston, Texas.

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Speaker 5: In fact, when I was clerking for a federal judge

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Speaker 5: based in Texas, I actually remember reading a very dark

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Speaker 5: and graphic criminal case along these lines. It was an

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Speaker 5: international sex trafficking ring involving NS three team, the cartels

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Speaker 5: based there in Houston, Texas. They had underage girls as

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Speaker 5: sex slaves. Horrific stuff. Anyone who cares, ultimately, at the

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Speaker 5: end of the day, anyone who cares about human rights, justice,

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Speaker 5: all the concepts that these far left progressives claim to

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Speaker 5: care about. If you care about that, you have to

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Speaker 5: support a secure border, because the United States Southern border

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Speaker 5: being the way that it is right now, is the

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Speaker 5: most inhuman, most unjust thing imaginable. And as it comes

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Speaker 5: to these illegal aliens, who obviously, by definition of being

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Speaker 5: illegal aliens never ever ever should have been in the

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Speaker 5: country in the first place. They're not alone. By the way,

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Speaker 5: Lake and Riley and Georgia, we saw what happened to her.

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Speaker 5: She was murdered in New York City. You had an

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Speaker 5: illegal alien who appears to have raped a thirteen year

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Speaker 5: old girl as well. This is happening all across the country.

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Speaker 5: But when it comes to these people in Texas, I'm

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Speaker 5: a barred attorney still in Texas. I live in Florida.

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Speaker 5: I'm still a barre attorney in Texas. The death penalty

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Speaker 5: is very much still good law in Texas. These two people,

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Speaker 5: if they are determined to be the culprits there. They

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Speaker 5: should fry at least once, ideally multiple times for this.

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Speaker 3: Now you mentioned the leftist progressive and the ones on

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Speaker 3: MSNBC seem to be utterly divorced from reality. I played

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Speaker 3: footage yesterday of MSNBC host Simone Sanders discussing this case,

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Speaker 3: but she seems to be preoccupied with the term illegal immigrants.

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Speaker 3: She thinks that's not proper. Watch this footage.

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Speaker 2: What do you tell the parents of those people, those

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Speaker 2: young girls who were killed.

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Speaker 7: This is you're preponderance of these But what is the

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Speaker 7: difference between the legal immigrant who unfortunately engages in that activity?

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Speaker 2: And we don't like that.

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Speaker 5: I want to be clear, we don't do the term

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Speaker 5: illegal a document.

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Speaker 8: A document.

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Speaker 3: Josh, what can you say about that. We can't say

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Speaker 3: illegal immigrant to describe an illegal immigrant. We've got to

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Speaker 3: use the word undocumented because it's more PC. I mean,

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Speaker 3: talk about completely losing sight of the real issue here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I mean it was George or Well who

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Speaker 5: famously said that he who controls the language controls the population.

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Speaker 5: The left, the left has been doing a very very

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Speaker 5: good job of this in recent years in the United States.

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Speaker 5: In fact, they've been that they've actually been doing it

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Speaker 5: for a much longer time as well. You can go

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Speaker 5: back as far read as the nineteen sixties, you know,

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Speaker 5: back during the John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson presidencies,

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Speaker 5: when they start passing civil rights legislation, when their landmark

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Speaker 5: pieces of legislation was called the Voting Rights Sacks. And

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Speaker 5: there's this famous Supreme Court oral argument from twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 5: or the late great conservative justice Anthony Scalia is talking

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Speaker 5: to the lawyers arguing, and he goes the voting right SATs.

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Speaker 5: What kind of congressman in the right name whatever vote

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Speaker 5: against a bill called the Voting right sack. So the

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Speaker 5: fix has kind of been when they come to naming bills,

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Speaker 5: when they come to naming identity groups here. But you

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Speaker 5: know this individual on MSNBC, You know how hard is

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Speaker 5: it to actually use the term illegal when someone is

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Speaker 5: here illegally. These are people whose first act, who's literal

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Speaker 5: first act, their physical foot stepping across the Rio Grande

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Speaker 5: into this country isn't act of illegality and criminality. They

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Speaker 5: are illegal aliens still under US law, and the left

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Speaker 5: wing media should say it what it is. They are

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Speaker 5: illegal aliens, say it illegally. It's not that horidoniously.

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Speaker 3: Well for the left, often saying the truth is very difficult. Indeed,

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Speaker 3: that's why they would like to come up with the

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Speaker 3: prettier words that hide the real issues. I want to

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Speaker 3: talk to you about the ESG phenomenon. MasterCard is being

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Speaker 3: pressured by SG activists to drop support for organizations such

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Speaker 3: as this State Financial Officers Foundation ESG. It stands for Environmental,

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Speaker 3: Social and Governance. But it seems to be Josh just

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Speaker 3: a way to push the leftist agenda in the corporate

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Speaker 3: world using shareholders' money. And it's not just MasterCard that's

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Speaker 3: been targeted by these activists. You've got JP, Morgan, Lockeing Martin,

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of corporates. And I wonder just how

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Speaker 3: influential and powerful is this ESJ philosophy in the corporate world.

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Speaker 5: So I think it reached its apex probably a year

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Speaker 5: to a year and a half ago. It's actually been

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Speaker 5: on the dcline, is my understanding, since then. You know,

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Speaker 5: ESG RITA I think is best viewed as the financial

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Speaker 5: wing of the broader DEI diversity, equity and Inclusion movement.

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Speaker 5: So the DEI is kind of the social aspect. That's

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Speaker 5: how you got the the woke stuff on the university campuses.

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Speaker 5: ESG is basically just the investing financial elements of that.

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Speaker 5: But you know it's the it's the major institutional investors

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Speaker 5: like Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street. It's firms like that really

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Speaker 5: who were the biggest proponents of ESG, especially Blackrock probably

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Speaker 5: above all Larry Fink, the CEO of there was all

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Speaker 5: in on the ESG agenda in recent years there, but

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Speaker 5: they actually started pulling back on ESG. I think it

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Speaker 5: was The Wall Street Journal had a long deep dive

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Speaker 5: of an essay on this last year because the very

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Speaker 5: simple reason readA. There's no demand for anymore. I mean,

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Speaker 5: the American people and investors don't want this because reasonably speaking,

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Speaker 5: when you invest riata, what do you want? You want returns,

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Speaker 5: you want ROI, you want to return on A.

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Speaker 3: Was there ever any real demand for it or was

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Speaker 3: it just something that was pushed by the corporate activist class,

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Speaker 3: because I can't imagine shareholders being preoccupied with this staff A.

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Speaker 3: Shareholders want to return on their money, and this seems

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Speaker 3: to be just relentless leftist activism masquerading as some sort

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Speaker 3: of corporate responsibility.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, there was never a

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Speaker 5: demand for this, because again, people who are living check

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Speaker 5: to paycheck with a pension fund or retire infund whenever,

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Speaker 5: they just want money for goodness it. They don't particularly

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Speaker 5: care how it's done as long as it's legal, right.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: This reminds me of actually the whole ESGU debate. It

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Speaker 5: reminds me actually of the whole bud Light Dylan Mulvany

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Speaker 5: fiasco that happened here in the US a little over

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Speaker 5: a year ago, where bud Light had the the transgender influencer.

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Speaker 5: I mean, was there really a demand among kind of

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Speaker 5: college friend boys for drinking a beer with a transgender

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Speaker 5: individual like printed on the logan?

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Speaker 2: No, of course not.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is some hair brained idea from some

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Speaker 5: Ivy League MBA graduate who thought this would be a

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Speaker 5: good agenda. And but White, by the way, paid the

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Speaker 5: price for it. And that's what you're starting to see

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Speaker 5: now when it comes to ESG, when it comes to

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Speaker 5: Black Rock Vanguard, there's just no demand for it. And finally,

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Speaker 5: finally they're actually just pulling these investment funds from their shelves.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is another example of that, IBM is facing

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Speaker 3: a lawsuit from Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey over its

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Speaker 3: diversity quotas. This is the DEI program Diversity Equity Inclusion.

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Speaker 3: Bailey calls it corporate racism. He's accusing the company of

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Speaker 3: violating the Missouri Human Rights Act by subjecting job applicants

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Speaker 3: to unlawful racial quotas, blatantly favoring applicants of certain skin

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Speaker 3: color over others, and facing employees pay an employment status

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Speaker 3: on whether they partici pat in these discriminatory practices. This

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Speaker 3: is a turn up for the books, and I think

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Speaker 3: we're going to say more lawsuits like this because it

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Speaker 3: is corporate racism. They're not even ashamed of it. They

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Speaker 3: promote these programs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they shout it from the rooftops. I mean, they

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Speaker 5: are extraordinarily proud of the fact that at the corporate

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Speaker 5: level they are increasingly openly and overtly discriminating against you know,

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Speaker 5: white male Christians would be the absolute, you know, the

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Speaker 5: highest quote unquote oppressor status, right, but you know it's

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Speaker 5: also Asians, I mean Jews obviously, I mean any number

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Speaker 5: of other groups as well. Here, you know, good for Missouri,

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Speaker 5: this is a this is a good lawsuit when you

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Speaker 5: have a democratic administration, a very activist democratic administration, life

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Speaker 5: you bid administration in place. Probably the single most effective

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Speaker 5: tip of the spear in terms of fighting back, especially

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Speaker 5: with US Congress as divided as it is, it is

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Speaker 5: going to come from the state level, and that's going

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Speaker 5: to come from the various Republican attorneys general or fortunate

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Speaker 5: right now where we have a number of high pro

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Speaker 5: file Republican attorney's general. Ken Paxon in Texas would probably

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Speaker 5: be the number one, most vocal and most active, So

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Speaker 5: it's really encouraging to see others besides Ken pax and

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Speaker 5: step up. Here in Florida, we have Ashley Moody who's

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Speaker 5: also done a pretty good job of late pushing back

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Speaker 5: on the Biden administration's Title nine transgender policy things like that.

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Speaker 5: So it's really good from a perspective of wanting to

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Speaker 5: stop the WOK agenda. More broadly, speaking of senior Republican

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Speaker 5: attorney general step up, so good for the state of

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Speaker 5: Missouri when it comes to this particular Lossit hopefully more

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Speaker 5: will follow.

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Speaker 3: Now before you go, I've got to ask you about

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Speaker 3: the latest polls. Donald Trump is leading Joe Biden in

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Speaker 3: all seven swing states. According to some recent polling de

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Speaker 3: Spy the Democrats Law fair and political prosecutions. In twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: Biden won six of the seven swing states. And we've

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Speaker 3: got the great debate happening this Friday, our time. How

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Speaker 3: can Biden recover in the polls? What can the Democrats

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Speaker 3: and their institutional allies do to fortify another election?

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Speaker 5: You know, it's a great question. I mean, there candidate

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Speaker 5: is in very very bad shape right now, not just politically,

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Speaker 5: but obviously physically and mentally as well. Nothing is going

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Speaker 5: particularly well right now for the Biden Harris campaign. And

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Speaker 5: it's funny because Joe Biden has essentially been locked up

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Speaker 5: at Camp David, at the presidential compound in suburban Maryland

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Speaker 5: for the past week while he's trying to prepare for

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Speaker 5: this debate. Apparently he realized that the stakes are very high.

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Speaker 5: Although I have to say that does raise the obvious

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Speaker 5: question as to who is running the country when he's

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Speaker 5: just holds up there at Camp Data preparing for this debate.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, who's managing the world's largest economy.

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Speaker 5: I actually have no idea, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 5: but the stakes are obviously extremely high in this debate. Now,

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Speaker 5: the expectations have been set so low that if Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden essentially stands up there and gets at least a

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Speaker 5: few coherent sentences in, and if he doesn't keel over

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Speaker 5: and has to be rushed to the er before it's over,

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Speaker 5: they will probably be able to chalk it up in

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party's fundraising emails as some sort of win.

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Speaker 5: So lowering expectations is half the battle, but they're going

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Speaker 5: to have to come up with something more than that.

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Speaker 5: They're going to run very hard on the abortion issue,

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Speaker 5: or they're going to try to do the whole twenty

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Speaker 5: twelve playbook. They's so called Republican war on women. They're

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Speaker 5: trying to gin that up. But it's not working, reader,

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Speaker 5: because ultimately, at the end of the day, the voters

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Speaker 5: here care about the economy, inflation, crime, and the open

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Speaker 5: border issue, and those are the issues, frankly, that Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden has failed epically on, and independent and swing state

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Speaker 5: voters see it for what it is.

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Speaker 3: I think, Josh Hemma, thank you so much for your

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Speaker 3: time this evening. Thank you still to come. A Christian

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Speaker 3: academic is facing cancelation, but she is fighting back. I'll

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Speaker 3: speak to her next. Welcome back. My next guest is

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Speaker 3: an academic, a law professor at the University of Adelaide.

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Speaker 3: But she's also a Christian. She's pro life, she's pro

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Speaker 3: free speech, and that has seen her targeted in her

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Speaker 3: workplace with a multitude of complaints. As we know, with

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Speaker 3: these complaints, often the process is the punishment, and activists

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Speaker 3: are using the complaints processes at places like universities to

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Speaker 3: intimidate those who challenge their worldview. But doctor Joanna Howe

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Speaker 3: is fighting back and she joins me. Now, Joanna, you've

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Speaker 3: submitted a stop bullying application to the Fair Work Commission

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Speaker 3: against the University of Adelaide. Tell me why you are

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Speaker 3: receiving so many complaints and have any of these complaints

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Speaker 3: stood up.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 13: First of all, Rita, thank you so much for having

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Speaker 13: me on your show. And look, I started speaking out

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Speaker 13: about abortion close to two years ago on social media.

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Speaker 13: I've been researching it that for a couple of years.

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Speaker 13: But the decision I made to speak up publicly was

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Speaker 13: because South Australia, the state where I live, had legislated

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Speaker 13: abortion up to birth and for any reason, and for

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Speaker 13: me that was just a bridge too far, and I

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Speaker 13: felt that I had to speak out about that, so

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Speaker 13: I started posting daily content to Instagram, where you can

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Speaker 13: find me at doctor Joanna Howe, and through that I've

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Speaker 13: been disseminating my research.

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Speaker 3: I'm now on TikTok.

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Speaker 13: Facebook, YouTube, and it's a way of getting information out

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Speaker 13: to people and starting a conversation on the issue of abortion.

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Speaker 13: Of course, I knew that complaints from activists were going

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Speaker 13: to be part of the course because I'm challenging the

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Speaker 13: pro abortion narrative of academia, of the media, of large corporates.

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Speaker 13: You know, this is sort of a situation really of

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Speaker 13: David and Goliath, and I knew that I was taking

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Speaker 13: this on, and in fact, doctor Debbie Garrett had written

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Speaker 13: a book called alarmis Gatekeeping, which traced how anybody from

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Speaker 13: Amanda Stoker to the CEO of White Ribbon, if they're dead,

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Speaker 13: speak about abortion from a critical perspective. They had been

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Speaker 13: try They've been bullied and been harassed and significant attempt

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Speaker 13: at cancelation. So I knew there was going to be

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Speaker 13: an avalanche of complaints to my employer, but I didn't

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Speaker 13: think that that was sufficient to stop me speaking because

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Speaker 13: the issue was so important. What I didn't know is

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Speaker 13: that the university would would take all of these complaints forward,

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Speaker 13: because I guess believed in the fact that there's an

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Speaker 13: obligation on the university to protect academic freedom and that's

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Speaker 13: first and foremost, and that the idea of a university

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Speaker 13: is built on that.

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Speaker 3: So I think it has.

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Speaker 13: Taken me by surprise to you know, to be doing

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Speaker 13: this for two years and to have been the subject

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Speaker 13: of five workplace investigations. You know, nobody should have to

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Speaker 13: go through that. It has been significant. It has tested

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Speaker 13: my resolve. None of the complaints have actually been substantiated.

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Speaker 13: I have not been found guilty of any misconduct, and

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Speaker 13: to be clear, the vast majority of the complaints have

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Speaker 13: come from activists outside the university weaponizing the complaints system

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Speaker 13: against me, and to me, that's not fair, and that's

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Speaker 13: why I have taken this action in the Fair Work Commission.

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Speaker 3: I can understand it would be enormously stressful to be

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Speaker 3: under investigation constantly, one after another, even if you ultimately

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Speaker 3: are found to have done nothing wrong. But isn't the

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Speaker 3: university obliged to investigate every time a complaint is made?

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Speaker 3: Are these complaints deemed vexatious or as a university once

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Speaker 3: the process is started obliged to follow through.

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Speaker 13: The university first and foremost has an obligation to protecting

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Speaker 13: academic freedom.

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Speaker 3: The idea of a university.

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Speaker 13: Is based on the concept that even if you're a

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Speaker 13: scholar researching inn and highly controversial area, that you are

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Speaker 13: protected because this is a way of finding truth. It's

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Speaker 13: the marketplace of ideas, and scholarships shouldn't be controlled by

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Speaker 13: what the dominant ideology is at the time. And this

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Speaker 13: has been really important in human history to help us

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Speaker 13: reach the truth on really important issues of critical importance

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Speaker 13: to us as a society, as a civilization. So the

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Speaker 13: idea of a university is based on academic freedom. It's

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Speaker 13: a right that I have and all academics have in

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Speaker 13: the EBA, in our enterprise agreements, and there's actually an

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Speaker 13: obligation on the university to dismiss complaints that I made vexatiously.

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Speaker 13: And just to give you an example reader of what

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Speaker 13: I've been through. On January twenty fourth this year, I

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Speaker 13: received an email from my boss which cleared me from

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Speaker 13: the most recent investigation, which had landed in the middle

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Speaker 13: of December and had happened because a bunch of TikTok

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Speaker 13: activists had got together run a TikTok campaign on it,

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Speaker 13: complaining to the University of Adelaide. They put in my

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Speaker 13: boss's email, they put in research integrity, and so they

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Speaker 13: were just you know, riling each other up, and the

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Speaker 13: university received an avalanche of complaints and I had to

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Speaker 13: you know, receive that notification from my boss. I had

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Speaker 13: to respond to the allegations, and ultimately, on the twenty

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Speaker 13: fourth of January, I found out that I'd been cleared.

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Speaker 13: But less than two hours later, I received another email

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Speaker 13: from another department in the university telling me that a

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Speaker 13: new investigation had been opened up, this time on research miconduct,

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Speaker 13: again prompted by activists outside the universities. These are not

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Speaker 13: my students in the classroom who are complaining about my teaching.

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Speaker 13: These are not substantive critiques of my research. It's people

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Speaker 13: who want to get me sacked because they want to

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Speaker 13: shut down what I'm saying, because I'm sharing really uncomfortable

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Speaker 13: truths about where we've got to with the regulation of

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Speaker 13: abortion in Australia. You know, on social media and even

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Speaker 13: on your show, Reader, I've talked about the fact that

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Speaker 13: in Australia we have a situation that baby's born alive

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Speaker 13: after an abortion can be left to die. They don't

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Speaker 13: have a right to legal care. I've talked about the

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Speaker 13: fact that abortion is legal up to birth and for

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Speaker 13: any reason. Only thirty one percent of Australians according to

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Speaker 13: an IPSOS poll, support that up until twenty weeks. And

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Speaker 13: I think the other side wants to cancel me and

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Speaker 13: shut down my voice because they know that I'm being effective.

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Speaker 13: I'm getting my message out there.

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Speaker 2: I've reached five.

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Speaker 13: Million people in close to two years on social media,

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Speaker 13: and so they have to they have to get rid

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Speaker 13: of me because it's going to affect change.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're right, that message, the pro life message, even

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Speaker 3: if you're just arguing against late term abortion, it's not

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Speaker 3: something that gets much coverage at all. And polling fairly consistently,

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Speaker 3: particularly polling in the US, which has done far more

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Speaker 3: often than here, shows that even those who are pro

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Speaker 3: abortion pro choice in the first trimester, are against late

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Speaker 3: term abortion in the third trimester and even in the

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Speaker 3: second trimester. So this is a far more nuanced topic

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Speaker 3: for a lot of people than the media. Let on,

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Speaker 3: and you're part of that debate. Now, you are a

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Speaker 3: mother of five, you're a Rhodes scholar, you're a law professor,

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Speaker 3: you're obviously a woman of color. But none of that

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Speaker 3: seems to matter to the so called tolerant left who

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Speaker 3: tell us they value diversity. The way you've been treated

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Speaker 3: that did determined to cancel you, are they going to succeed?

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Speaker 3: Would in life be easier for you if you focused

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Speaker 3: on your lectures and left the activism to somebody else.

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Speaker 13: So I have always devoted my research to addressing vulnerability

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Speaker 13: in all its forms, and in speaking out for our

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Speaker 13: most vulnerable Australians and using my research and sharing it

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Speaker 13: on social media in the way that I've been doing.

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Speaker 13: That is something that I will not stop doing. And

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Speaker 13: you know, as a mother of five, this is personal

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Speaker 13: to me. I am not just an academic, but I'm

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Speaker 13: a mother who have children that will one day go

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Speaker 13: to university. And if you think about the abuse, harassment

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Speaker 13: and bullying that I have been through as an academic,

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Speaker 13: as a professor of law and as a Hodes scholar,

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Speaker 13: think about what this means for students in the classroom,

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Speaker 13: who have every right to demand to be subjected to

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Speaker 13: not woken doctrination from the radical left's ideology on everything

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Speaker 13: from gender to abortion. They have a right to pursue

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Speaker 13: critical thinking and the freedom to do that. So if

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Speaker 13: I'm being treated in this way, then I share about

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Speaker 13: what's going on for us students.

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Speaker 3: And you would hope at university you would be hearing

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Speaker 3: diverse viewpoints. That's not the time to be debating these

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Speaker 3: issues and just broadening your horizons. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: is a doctor, Joanna House, thank you for your time

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Speaker 3: this evening, and that's it from me. Up next is Newsnight.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you at eleven tomorrow. Good night,