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Speaker 1: Approache production photo racket. Don't try and make you uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: Yes, rap, I hope you're enjoying Season sixteen of The Clink.

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Speaker 2: It has been a phenomenal start. Our first two episodes

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Speaker 2: have been amazing with two wonderful stories, and the point

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Speaker 2: of this season, as I have said before, is about

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Speaker 2: giving you the tools and having the self belief to

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Speaker 2: be the greatest version of yourself and be the best

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Speaker 2: you can be. Each guest that we're coming on to

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Speaker 2: the Clink this season is here to share their inspiring stories,

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Speaker 2: the fact that they are successfully doing amazing things and

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Speaker 2: that it hasn't been easy, and they do have a

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Speaker 2: true story which aligns with the Clink. Today's guest is

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Speaker 2: an absolute amazing man. I'm a little bit sort of

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Speaker 2: sarastrk and I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Going to sort of carry on too much because i

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Speaker 2: Of a dickhead. He is someone who I think, I

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Speaker 2: think I'm well older than him, but I idolized and

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Speaker 2: he's an ex merely NRL player, so I've got to

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Speaker 2: give him credit. Born and bred there myself, and you know,

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Speaker 2: having played all my juniors and so on, I'm phenomenally whoa.

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Speaker 2: And here's another wonderful First Nations man whom is bringing

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Speaker 2: a lot to the communities that he's working with, and

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Speaker 2: he's just uplifting, inspiring and letting people chase their dreams

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Speaker 2: and he's giving people the tools that they need to

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Speaker 2: do these things. Jile Thompson, Brother, mate, Wow, we're sitting

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Speaker 2: here like we've had this yarn a couple of times

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Speaker 2: and a quick message and a phone call and look,

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Speaker 2: in all honesty, God knows how it happened. What we're

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Speaker 2: blessed to be literally living minutes from each other. You're

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Speaker 2: now playing for a club that I was very proud

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Speaker 2: it's a beautiful connection.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the clink.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being here, Thank you for the invite. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a pleasure looking forward to joffing Oni and having

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Speaker 2: Che For those that don't really know a lot about you,

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Speaker 2: let's let's give our listeners out there a little bit

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Speaker 2: of background to who you truly are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me, you know, always a big

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Speaker 4: supporter of anything that's going to help others, and obviously

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Speaker 4: with the growth part of it, it's so important you

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Speaker 4: see what's happening out there in the community. So these conversations,

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Speaker 4: you know, are so powerful. So the story when I start,

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm from a small community called Ivanhoe, far

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Speaker 4: western New South Wales.

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Speaker 3: That's home for me.

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Speaker 4: I feel like that's always home because I had I

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Speaker 4: moved around everywhere so much, al was across in places

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Speaker 3: I moved around a lot, but I I was home

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess a childhood now looking back, I guess

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Speaker 3: A purpose, you know why.

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's a need for me to put

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Speaker 4: and there is a better life out there. I guess

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Speaker 4: that all those experiences from them early days gave me

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Speaker 4: the times, the chaos I've seen that the hurt, the pain,

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Speaker 2: A man who's lived there, just explain to our listeners

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Speaker 3: Struggle out there. It's a big struggle. You know.

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Speaker 4: We see it across the news, We see it across everywhere,

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Speaker 4: you know, seeing people fighting through addictions and abuse.

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Speaker 4: What's happening out there where a lot of people are hurting,

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Speaker 4: you know, that generational hurt that just gets passed down

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Speaker 4: I'm grateful for some of the experiences because it really

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Speaker 2: You are a tough man, You're not a small man

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Speaker 2: like you are.

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Speaker 1: You stand strong, You're a very fit brother.

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Speaker 4: I had no other option, like being a little white

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Speaker 1: So I can relate. Although that's what I explained to people.

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Speaker 1: in a blae. Yes. I used to fight to keep

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I said, you have to words just turned

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Speaker 2: I can I just touch on something, yeah, and please

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Speaker 2: it's upsetting. But I did mention, and I guess a

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Speaker 2: How how was that bro because I mean that would

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Speaker 1: Who's your mob? You know what I mean? Where is

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Speaker 4: And I'm still in contact and you know, I still.

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Speaker 3: Call him dad and still have a good relationship with him.

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Speaker 4: But you know, at that time, you know, I was

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Speaker 3: That got broken to me. I was very confused. I

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Speaker 4: I was pretty much again, really fine, and I shouldn't

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Speaker 4: My old man was his name was Michael Sphinx, right,

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Speaker 3: It really did, you know, from a kid that struggled.

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Speaker 2: Kids lost, kids didst kids missions and no one knew,

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Speaker 4: When we just look at people that got out of

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Speaker 4: and you know that it's not the case. And but

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Speaker 4: and that's what I was going through.

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Speaker 3: And I got pulled in by my end, you know,

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Speaker 4: Community there and really gave me that discipline, that tough love,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I guess that changed things for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Donovan is a beautiful man who I've just had

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Speaker 2: You know, But like Jeremy said, you know the words

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Speaker 2: And the one thing I'm proud of is having grown

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Speaker 2: You know, we're out there in the sport field, run

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Speaker 1: I know that nobody taught me. I had to learn myself.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure that you know having Nan there for you,

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Speaker 4: Like that is so important, Like having that real, honest

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Speaker 4: And I knew for me, you know, it's seeing and

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Speaker 3: To be and where I wanted to be. But with that,

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Speaker 4: Definitely and you're out in you're playing first grade rugby league,

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Speaker 2: And I asked you something, and it's something that's important

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Speaker 1: We're all there to do whatever we can for everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Bro to pick myself up, I'm absolute. I have all

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Speaker 1: And you're not being the best version of you.

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Speaker 2: To them if you're letting that negativity and has zero

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Speaker 4: People are going to question your people are going to

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Speaker 2: I think y'all too. You know, Like from my point

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Speaker 1: You really did. And for anybody that would look at

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Speaker 2: Present you know during whatever it might be a training

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Speaker 2: It's something that's kept me alive and the path that

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Speaker 1: Dallas.

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Speaker 2: You you're a different breed as well. You've got things

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Speaker 2: you're in touch with it, it becomes that it's an

443
00:20:46,201 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 2: asset to you. I could see in some parts of

444
00:20:50,041 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 2: your back end of your career that just in your

445
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 2: style of play and things like that, that there was

446
00:20:57,241 --> 00:21:00,401
Speaker 2: a lot of upsetting moments for you. Can you talk

447
00:21:00,441 --> 00:21:02,481
Speaker 2: about like what it was like being a young feller

448
00:21:02,721 --> 00:21:04,601
Speaker 2: coming through and then all of a sudden, you.

449
00:21:04,521 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 1: Know, you've got the world at your feet and playing.

450
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 2: Around the world, and you indigenous man representing culture and country,

451
00:21:11,441 --> 00:21:13,401
Speaker 2: and then your career is on the back end.

452
00:21:13,481 --> 00:21:14,801
Speaker 1: You slumping a little bit.

453
00:21:14,681 --> 00:21:19,201
Speaker 3: Here and there, all right, So it's taken you back.

454
00:21:20,801 --> 00:21:23,281
Speaker 4: So at time they're just to take you back right

455
00:21:23,321 --> 00:21:26,561
Speaker 4: back to how the foot he kicked off. So I

456
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,521
Speaker 4: got out of the community, I've not got put into

457
00:21:28,561 --> 00:21:32,761
Speaker 4: a boarding school with the support of my biological father. Anyway,

458
00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 4: from there, I got signed up by Melbourne Storm around

459
00:21:36,001 --> 00:21:38,481
Speaker 4: sixteen to go down to Melbourne when I finished school

460
00:21:38,521 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 4: and joined their squad and I was there for a

461
00:21:41,681 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 4: year and up here playing in Q Cup in Brisol

462
00:21:44,441 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 4: and I went to Canberra and around that period, I

463
00:21:47,481 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 4: guess I started to feel different about I guess I

464
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 4: had a lot of flashbacks and stuff I've never experienced

465
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,041
Speaker 4: before of those early years, and I guess I started

466
00:21:57,041 --> 00:22:00,161
Speaker 4: to be I know, I started to struggle a little bit.

467
00:22:00,441 --> 00:22:02,241
Speaker 4: And with that journey, I felt like I took a

468
00:22:02,281 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 4: lot of responsibility to be, you know, to you know,

469
00:22:06,921 --> 00:22:10,281
Speaker 4: I've representing the community, represent my family, and I let

470
00:22:10,321 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 4: the pressure over that time deal with it. And it

471
00:22:12,761 --> 00:22:15,561
Speaker 4: all just come down during times of my career where

472
00:22:15,561 --> 00:22:18,921
Speaker 4: I didn't deal with it properly, like drinking drugs, hanging

473
00:22:18,921 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 4: around the wrong, gambling, whatever it was that to deal

474
00:22:21,441 --> 00:22:23,321
Speaker 4: with any type of stuff, that's what I sort of

475
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 4: I went to and someone for me, coming from the

476
00:22:27,001 --> 00:22:29,601
Speaker 4: environment I come from and my experience, it was probably

477
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,321
Speaker 4: it set me up for failure, Like I went into

478
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 4: an environment where you're getting pats on the back, the

479
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,801
Speaker 4: validation you walking into the nightclub. You let into the

480
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,401
Speaker 4: front door, you're giving a drink card, you're girls hanging off.

481
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 4: You've got after parties where you know the drug deal,

482
00:22:46,441 --> 00:22:49,401
Speaker 4: the rack that everything's there. You meeting these randoms, you're

483
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,481
Speaker 4: meeting these gangsters, and that's the environment. It comes addictive

484
00:22:53,521 --> 00:22:56,481
Speaker 4: and you sort of you fall into these traps in

485
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,801
Speaker 4: these holes and you realize now sitting back.

486
00:22:59,681 --> 00:23:01,521
Speaker 3: Like what was I doing?

487
00:23:01,561 --> 00:23:04,801
Speaker 1: But you sort of you're a product of the environment.

488
00:23:05,201 --> 00:23:08,681
Speaker 3: Exactly right, it is. It's a product of the environment.

489
00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:12,801
Speaker 4: And I guess times have changed with football clubs and

490
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,121
Speaker 4: professionals and being professional. But I'll come through that era

491
00:23:15,961 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 4: back then where it wasn't to where it is now.

492
00:23:19,721 --> 00:23:22,281
Speaker 2: Like you know it's now you've got the Integrity Committee,

493
00:23:22,281 --> 00:23:25,521
Speaker 2: which is basically all the off duty detectives or the

494
00:23:25,561 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: squads that now are investigator. I mean, I won't go

495
00:23:29,201 --> 00:23:31,641
Speaker 2: into too much detail here because this is something that

496
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,801
Speaker 2: I'm privy to, but the knowledge of knowing certain players

497
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,441
Speaker 2: going to a certain venue that's owned by certain persons

498
00:23:39,481 --> 00:23:43,241
Speaker 2: who are unworthy people. Then all of a sudden, the

499
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 2: pi's the private eyes of the club are sending information

500
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,801
Speaker 2: back into the club and they're having meetings in the

501
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: saying all right, boys, so you you and you were

502
00:23:50,921 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 2: at Johnny's unit.

503
00:23:52,521 --> 00:23:53,761
Speaker 1: For obsession after that.

504
00:23:53,961 --> 00:23:55,721
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, pull your fucking

505
00:23:55,761 --> 00:23:59,321
Speaker 2: heads in because otherwise your contracts are going are and.

506
00:23:59,721 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: This is now where it really it is, isn't it.

507
00:24:03,041 --> 00:24:05,561
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's definitely got cleaned up and big way

508
00:24:05,721 --> 00:24:08,721
Speaker 4: and the clubs are actually doing such a good job

509
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 4: over those years, the protector players and not to be

510
00:24:12,001 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 4: in those type of environments, right, And then the end

511
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,561
Speaker 4: of the day it comes back to them players making

512
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,401
Speaker 4: really poor choices because there's a lot more support out

513
00:24:19,441 --> 00:24:21,801
Speaker 4: there now, which is good. But anyway, coming through them

514
00:24:21,801 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 4: early days, very lost, still working through, struggling with my

515
00:24:25,801 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 4: mental health, not getting help because I just had nowhere.

516
00:24:27,961 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 4: I didn't know what to do, Drinking, getting caught up

517
00:24:30,961 --> 00:24:33,281
Speaker 4: with getting paid good money, being on TV.

518
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,721
Speaker 3: Thinking I was a rock star when I really wasn't.

519
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: You know.

520
00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: I was just getting the pats on the back and

521
00:24:37,761 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 4: the people, you know, clapping you, and and it.

522
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,041
Speaker 3: Made the ego it was, it was.

523
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,921
Speaker 4: It was quite ugly I reckon during the times there

524
00:24:48,001 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 4: where you know, that ego was just out of control.

525
00:24:51,441 --> 00:24:53,561
Speaker 3: I believe, and it took.

526
00:24:53,801 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 4: It took a few you know, slip ups and some

527
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,281
Speaker 4: things that I got wrong and had my partner sort

528
00:25:00,321 --> 00:25:02,001
Speaker 4: of had my back. And she, I said it on

529
00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 4: the podcast not long ago, she could have she should

530
00:25:04,681 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 4: have probably left me about one hundred times, you know

531
00:25:06,521 --> 00:25:07,641
Speaker 4: how many times shadowed.

532
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,721
Speaker 1: Twenty one years. I said the same thing about my wife.

533
00:25:10,041 --> 00:25:12,241
Speaker 4: She had her bags packed and she'd bring her mum

534
00:25:12,241 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 4: and she was off and I was lost and I

535
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,801
Speaker 4: was going I needed professional help, and she sort of

536
00:25:17,241 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: you know, pushed me in that direction to get help

537
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,721
Speaker 4: and to once I got diagnosed with bipolo and.

538
00:25:25,201 --> 00:25:29,201
Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to the club you one or two.

539
00:25:29,281 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 4: So I think that is I don't know if you know,

540
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:35,441
Speaker 4: if if it was just what they said just through

541
00:25:35,481 --> 00:25:37,921
Speaker 4: my bad behavior, because I was so out of control,

542
00:25:37,961 --> 00:25:40,721
Speaker 4: like yeah, I'd come in the train and no one

543
00:25:40,721 --> 00:25:42,641
Speaker 4: could stop me, full of life and then I'd be.

544
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,961
Speaker 3: Yeah and that.

545
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:46,001
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was a reflection of just

546
00:25:46,481 --> 00:25:50,521
Speaker 4: myself but like not actually just getting the help I needed.

547
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 4: And also the combination of the pressure, the ego, the alcohol.

548
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,601
Speaker 3: I don't know, it just created this monster. Anyway.

549
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: That was a period that she was so concerned about me.

550
00:26:01,281 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: It was like when you were probably in lock up

551
00:26:02,761 --> 00:26:04,521
Speaker 4: where they put your tablets in your mouth and made

552
00:26:04,561 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 4: sure you swallowed it.

553
00:26:05,681 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: Yes, so they put me, yes, this is going to

554
00:26:11,681 --> 00:26:14,281
Speaker 3: make you better. But but anyway.

555
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:16,281
Speaker 1: Shout out to all your amazing lives out there that.

556
00:26:17,721 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 4: I'd be going to train and and it would make

557
00:26:20,961 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 4: me dully as Yes, and I played the game off.

558
00:26:24,441 --> 00:26:26,801
Speaker 4: I wasn't the most skillful football that was very competitive

559
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 4: and had a red hot crack, you know. I just

560
00:26:28,961 --> 00:26:32,321
Speaker 4: didn't have that competitive aggression, that bit of a mongrel

561
00:26:32,321 --> 00:26:34,761
Speaker 4: in me that really helped me be the player I was.

562
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 4: So I was starting to play poorly. I wasn't training

563
00:26:38,681 --> 00:26:40,521
Speaker 4: like I was, and I was getting.

564
00:26:40,201 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: Noticed like the coaster. You're not yourself, Joel, what's happening?

565
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 4: And obviously not opening up about what was what I

566
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,481
Speaker 4: was on and what medication I was on.

567
00:26:47,961 --> 00:26:51,281
Speaker 1: So you hadn't had that conversation with any of those people,

568
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: okay with that, So that that carries so much weight.

569
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: Brother, you know, and as someone who you know was

570
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 2: medicated for top two by Pols for twenty years, I

571
00:27:02,481 --> 00:27:06,001
Speaker 2: in the last or fifteen years found better ways of

572
00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: living without using. But then I also utilized my highs

573
00:27:10,481 --> 00:27:12,001
Speaker 2: and my lows to be able to do things like

574
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: cycle across Australia. And when you see me running and

575
00:27:15,201 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: I'm doing like thirty k runner or something, it's not

576
00:27:18,281 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: because I'm loving it, it's because it's here. I've learned

577
00:27:22,201 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: to put that into a positive space for you. You're in

578
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: a position at that stage where you're in an elite

579
00:27:30,281 --> 00:27:34,721
Speaker 2: level your performance. You're there because you're fucking good. You're

580
00:27:34,761 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: not average, You're good, You're good at what you do.

581
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: But yet you've got this dark sleep secret where you're

582
00:27:41,041 --> 00:27:44,041
Speaker 2: trying to em better yourself by taking a tablet to

583
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,321
Speaker 2: help you and it's affecting in a negative ways.

584
00:27:47,521 --> 00:27:49,761
Speaker 3: It just wasn't as a professional.

585
00:27:49,961 --> 00:27:51,761
Speaker 4: They're paying me quite well, so if I'm not the

586
00:27:51,761 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 4: player where I'm meant to, yeah, to earn the money,

587
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: I've got a family support, So I felt I had

588
00:27:57,281 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 4: to have that decision like what am I doing? Do

589
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,801
Speaker 4: I make the best decision for me and the family

590
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 4: and have be medicated and just down and turn this around,

591
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,041
Speaker 4: not lose and not lose my family, not lose my

592
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,321
Speaker 4: wife and my girls, or do I, you know, get

593
00:28:12,321 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 4: off it and then be the football I made a

594
00:28:14,281 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 4: decision at that time, I need to make put some

595
00:28:17,241 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 4: things in place here to sort of, you know, not

596
00:28:19,321 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 4: get myself caught up in these environments and that party

597
00:28:22,001 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: scene and and to get off the medication. And then

598
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,121
Speaker 4: obviously I was just starting to spit it out. Yeah,

599
00:28:27,281 --> 00:28:30,041
Speaker 4: she's got complacent. She didn't actually check me properly by then,

600
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:31,321
Speaker 4: she was just thinking that I was.

601
00:28:31,481 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: Doing trust.

602
00:28:34,761 --> 00:28:37,921
Speaker 4: And then obviously it all come down. And around that

603
00:28:37,961 --> 00:28:41,481
Speaker 4: period this was at the Dragon. Sorry, I signed a

604
00:28:41,561 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: manly and I was still in that bit of that

605
00:28:44,561 --> 00:28:48,121
Speaker 4: roller coaster, right, and yeah, still working on myself, still

606
00:28:48,121 --> 00:28:50,521
Speaker 4: being self aware of where I out, and still doing

607
00:28:50,521 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 4: some stuff in the community because I felt like that

608
00:28:52,321 --> 00:28:54,081
Speaker 4: was a big part of my healing. Like I got

609
00:28:54,121 --> 00:28:56,961
Speaker 4: I got given some advice from a counselor actually when

610
00:28:56,961 --> 00:28:59,161
Speaker 4: I was at Canberra, she goes, Joe, you've got a story.

611
00:28:59,161 --> 00:29:01,481
Speaker 4: You should be going out and doing more. I feel

612
00:29:01,481 --> 00:29:03,041
Speaker 4: like this is going to be a big part of.

613
00:29:03,521 --> 00:29:06,881
Speaker 3: Where you're at and healing and working on that. I'll

614
00:29:06,881 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: still continue.

615
00:29:07,521 --> 00:29:09,081
Speaker 4: And I was always questioning myself on a bit of

616
00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:12,161
Speaker 4: a fraudier because I'm going preaching I'm doing this, and

617
00:29:12,201 --> 00:29:14,561
Speaker 4: then I'm actually not actually got my own stuff.

618
00:29:14,921 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: We've just had this in the last three, last two

619
00:29:17,321 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: episodes exactly.

620
00:29:18,681 --> 00:29:21,321
Speaker 1: This is so honorable of you to be able to

621
00:29:21,321 --> 00:29:21,721
Speaker 1: be open.

622
00:29:21,761 --> 00:29:26,521
Speaker 2: Thank you because what you're saying it now rolls into

623
00:29:26,561 --> 00:29:28,961
Speaker 2: each each guest has said the same thing.

624
00:29:29,001 --> 00:29:31,241
Speaker 1: And for everybody out there that's listening to this today,

625
00:29:32,041 --> 00:29:32,681
Speaker 1: take note.

626
00:29:33,001 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like youve got to just start to realize that

627
00:29:36,841 --> 00:29:38,321
Speaker 2: I was doing the same here. I am doing all

628
00:29:38,361 --> 00:29:40,721
Speaker 2: this charity work and I'm about right across Australia, but

629
00:29:40,801 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: yet someone put a bag in front of me.

630
00:29:42,521 --> 00:29:43,041
Speaker 1: For the weekend.

631
00:29:43,041 --> 00:29:44,281
Speaker 2: I was going to go and have a band like

632
00:29:44,361 --> 00:29:45,961
Speaker 2: not bend it, but I play up on a Friday

633
00:29:46,001 --> 00:29:48,241
Speaker 2: or Saturday night, hit the bag and on the piss

634
00:29:48,521 --> 00:29:50,561
Speaker 2: still go do one hundred and fifty k ride on

635
00:29:50,561 --> 00:29:51,521
Speaker 2: Sunday because I'm training.

636
00:29:51,561 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm training for a charity event. I'm riding. I was

637
00:29:54,961 --> 00:29:55,601
Speaker 1: wearing a mask.

638
00:29:55,721 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, And that's the biggest thing, right And I

639
00:29:58,601 --> 00:30:02,161
Speaker 4: was really questioned, like I want to do this.

640
00:30:02,241 --> 00:30:03,881
Speaker 3: I want to be a good person, I want to

641
00:30:03,881 --> 00:30:04,361
Speaker 3: give back.

642
00:30:04,401 --> 00:30:06,921
Speaker 4: I want to I feel like this is making me

643
00:30:07,161 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 4: feel like it is healing a bit of me, and

644
00:30:08,721 --> 00:30:10,721
Speaker 4: I felt like a bit of a purpose and it

645
00:30:10,761 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 4: was me. But I was still fighting the devil. I

646
00:30:13,001 --> 00:30:16,281
Speaker 4: was still working. I was I really need to keep

647
00:30:16,321 --> 00:30:18,841
Speaker 4: working on myself. And there was a moment there I

648
00:30:18,881 --> 00:30:21,361
Speaker 4: was at Manly and I had the head injury where

649
00:30:21,561 --> 00:30:25,081
Speaker 4: I went on a bender, after a after a football carnival.

650
00:30:25,401 --> 00:30:26,881
Speaker 4: Just had a lot of things going on my life,

651
00:30:26,921 --> 00:30:28,641
Speaker 4: and I was a bit of a coward how to

652
00:30:28,721 --> 00:30:30,401
Speaker 4: handle it because I go out there and talk about

653
00:30:30,601 --> 00:30:32,841
Speaker 4: getting professional help, putting things in place and all this

654
00:30:32,921 --> 00:30:35,401
Speaker 4: other stuff. All the tools that I speak about, didn't

655
00:30:35,401 --> 00:30:38,521
Speaker 4: actually put them in place for myself, right, And yeah,

656
00:30:38,521 --> 00:30:41,081
Speaker 4: I got myself into a situation where I hit my.

657
00:30:41,041 --> 00:30:43,561
Speaker 3: Head and big Red Market.

658
00:30:44,041 --> 00:30:47,121
Speaker 4: Still yeah, bruising on the yeah, on the brain and

659
00:30:47,161 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: bled out and you know, I hit my head on

660
00:30:49,281 --> 00:30:53,161
Speaker 4: a rock, drunk, being on a bender for days and yeah,

661
00:30:53,161 --> 00:30:56,321
Speaker 4: I got rushed at the hospital. Lucky again to be

662
00:30:56,401 --> 00:30:59,241
Speaker 4: even talking and to be here right now. And I'm

663
00:30:59,281 --> 00:31:01,401
Speaker 4: still playing football, still playing football, still going.

664
00:31:02,041 --> 00:31:02,441
Speaker 1: Yeah.

665
00:31:02,481 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 4: But anyway, I had my daughters run up to me

666
00:31:05,241 --> 00:31:07,761
Speaker 4: in the hospital crying, and you know, I started to

667
00:31:07,801 --> 00:31:11,201
Speaker 4: see other people in that in that brain ward blew

668
00:31:11,241 --> 00:31:11,561
Speaker 4: me away.

669
00:31:11,601 --> 00:31:12,681
Speaker 3: You know, people getting.

670
00:31:12,401 --> 00:31:14,881
Speaker 4: Pushed and they couldn't feed themselves because of brain injuries

671
00:31:14,881 --> 00:31:17,001
Speaker 4: and all that type of stuff, and that should have

672
00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:19,121
Speaker 4: been me, Like it was a miracle that really I

673
00:31:19,121 --> 00:31:21,561
Speaker 4: could speak and I recovered from it like I did.

674
00:31:21,841 --> 00:31:22,841
Speaker 3: So that was another moment.

675
00:31:23,041 --> 00:31:25,601
Speaker 4: I feel like in our life, there's these moments that

676
00:31:25,641 --> 00:31:27,881
Speaker 4: come into your life that really shape you who you are,

677
00:31:28,001 --> 00:31:31,681
Speaker 4: and that was one of them. Like I really shaped

678
00:31:31,721 --> 00:31:35,481
Speaker 4: the direction of my life and the person I wanted

679
00:31:35,521 --> 00:31:37,081
Speaker 4: to be, and that really it comes back to that

680
00:31:37,121 --> 00:31:40,761
Speaker 4: self awareness. Who are you, Joel Thompson, Who do you

681
00:31:40,801 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: want to be? What type of father are you? What

682
00:31:43,561 --> 00:31:46,561
Speaker 4: type of leader in the community, type of.

683
00:31:46,641 --> 00:31:48,641
Speaker 3: Person are you going to be? And is this it?

684
00:31:49,281 --> 00:31:49,961
Speaker 3: And it wasn't.

685
00:31:50,041 --> 00:31:53,161
Speaker 4: So yeah, continue to work and now I can happily

686
00:31:53,161 --> 00:31:55,441
Speaker 4: say now, you know, after a long time, a lot

687
00:31:55,441 --> 00:31:57,521
Speaker 4: of a lot of hiccups and a lot of ups

688
00:31:57,561 --> 00:31:59,801
Speaker 4: and a lot of different things go wrong, you know,

689
00:31:59,881 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm in a good spot and I

690
00:32:01,601 --> 00:32:06,921
Speaker 4: finally made some better decisions and getting myself here and.

691
00:32:06,561 --> 00:32:09,921
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just wow. Yeah that's just through our audio.

692
00:32:10,121 --> 00:32:12,601
Speaker 4: And I felt like it started from from going back

693
00:32:12,601 --> 00:32:15,641
Speaker 4: at them earlier ages, being in that environment and me

694
00:32:15,681 --> 00:32:20,281
Speaker 4: and just not really being more self aware and really

695
00:32:20,321 --> 00:32:24,841
Speaker 4: getting the help and being consistent and being disciplined and

696
00:32:24,841 --> 00:32:26,121
Speaker 4: going this is what I need, this is what I

697
00:32:26,201 --> 00:32:28,681
Speaker 4: got to do, and staying away from it.

698
00:32:28,721 --> 00:32:31,121
Speaker 3: But you know, like I said, that's a part of

699
00:32:31,161 --> 00:32:31,721
Speaker 3: the journey.

700
00:32:31,961 --> 00:32:35,401
Speaker 2: Nick Middley, we just had on the last episode, and

701
00:32:35,961 --> 00:32:38,161
Speaker 2: you know, that man who was a heroin Addict and

702
00:32:38,201 --> 00:32:41,321
Speaker 2: full on the man that you met in Passing Full

703
00:32:41,681 --> 00:32:48,761
Speaker 2: Bone heroin Addict, A powerful story, beautiful human. And you

704
00:32:48,801 --> 00:32:53,561
Speaker 2: know we're talking about the self discipline and really, you know,

705
00:32:53,601 --> 00:32:54,801
Speaker 2: I guess getting away from.

706
00:32:54,641 --> 00:32:57,561
Speaker 1: That fraud of who we perceive we are but to

707
00:32:57,641 --> 00:33:01,321
Speaker 1: who we aren't accepting and working and turning up.

708
00:33:01,361 --> 00:33:04,881
Speaker 2: And his you know, tools that he offered was you know,

709
00:33:05,321 --> 00:33:09,481
Speaker 2: really valued things about just setting yourself pillars like your

710
00:33:09,521 --> 00:33:14,081
Speaker 2: discipline and just getting into these habitual sort of things.

711
00:33:14,561 --> 00:33:18,801
Speaker 2: You really couldn't be honest to yourself going out and

712
00:33:18,881 --> 00:33:22,161
Speaker 2: giving so much like you do today to others if

713
00:33:22,161 --> 00:33:24,361
Speaker 2: you weren't being genuine and kind to yourself.

714
00:33:24,481 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.

715
00:33:26,681 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 4: And again those habits and those tools are you know,

716
00:33:31,321 --> 00:33:34,401
Speaker 4: are so important to help you. The first thing you

717
00:33:34,441 --> 00:33:36,641
Speaker 4: need to do is be very self aware and to

718
00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 4: be who do you want to be like?

719
00:33:38,281 --> 00:33:38,601
Speaker 3: Who?

720
00:33:39,201 --> 00:33:42,641
Speaker 4: Who's Joel Thompson? Who do you actually what's that look like?

721
00:33:42,681 --> 00:33:44,561
Speaker 4: And what's going to be put in place to get

722
00:33:44,561 --> 00:33:46,801
Speaker 4: you there? And that's probably where I'm at now. And

723
00:33:47,201 --> 00:33:49,321
Speaker 4: you know, I continue doing what I do. Now I

724
00:33:49,321 --> 00:33:51,401
Speaker 4: can say that I can the work that I'm doing.

725
00:33:51,481 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: I'm not as big as a fraud that I was

726
00:33:53,281 --> 00:33:55,521
Speaker 4: back then when I was doing it. My heart was

727
00:33:55,521 --> 00:33:57,561
Speaker 4: in the right place, everything was in the right place,

728
00:33:57,601 --> 00:33:59,881
Speaker 4: but I still didn't do the work that I needed to.

729
00:33:59,961 --> 00:34:02,601
Speaker 4: I guess that I needed before I could do that.

730
00:34:03,161 --> 00:34:05,881
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about ourselves. We talk about self

731
00:34:05,881 --> 00:34:07,321
Speaker 1: talk for example.

732
00:34:07,081 --> 00:34:09,201
Speaker 2: You know, and I'm trying to instill in my son

733
00:34:09,241 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: at the moment you've met my boys and Keisha in

734
00:34:11,521 --> 00:34:14,721
Speaker 2: my middle, you know, getting his confidence because he's doing

735
00:34:14,801 --> 00:34:17,201
Speaker 2: very well with his league and in those programs and

736
00:34:17,241 --> 00:34:20,801
Speaker 2: so on. But that whole self talk, you know, you

737
00:34:20,961 --> 00:34:23,641
Speaker 2: talk about yourself right now and you say, you know,

738
00:34:23,881 --> 00:34:27,361
Speaker 2: being a fraud using these types of words, which some

739
00:34:27,441 --> 00:34:30,401
Speaker 2: would say, okay, well that's negative self talk, but now

740
00:34:30,481 --> 00:34:34,641
Speaker 2: that's self awareness of who the person you were and

741
00:34:34,921 --> 00:34:39,761
Speaker 2: worked out wasn't truly Joel Thompson. And now you're looking

742
00:34:39,761 --> 00:34:42,321
Speaker 2: in the mirror saying I am not that fraud. I

743
00:34:42,401 --> 00:34:46,721
Speaker 2: am this genuine, loving, kind, compassionate, caring human who is

744
00:34:46,841 --> 00:34:50,961
Speaker 2: the real deal. Because looking at you from afar, looking

745
00:34:50,961 --> 00:34:52,721
Speaker 2: at you walking down the streets, seeing.

746
00:34:52,441 --> 00:34:55,681
Speaker 1: You down with your fam, watching it on the footy field, Wow,

747
00:34:55,761 --> 00:34:58,001
Speaker 1: that's Joel Thompson far We didn't.

748
00:34:57,721 --> 00:35:04,201
Speaker 2: Go it's just this I guess smoke screen. And it's

749
00:35:04,241 --> 00:35:06,841
Speaker 2: not until the me and himself sits down and completely

750
00:35:06,961 --> 00:35:10,361
Speaker 2: just let's free of that and honestly opens up that

751
00:35:10,441 --> 00:35:10,841
Speaker 2: you go.

752
00:35:11,481 --> 00:35:14,681
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh shit, wow, what a man.

753
00:35:14,841 --> 00:35:16,721
Speaker 4: Yeah, well the thing is too Like I do a

754
00:35:16,761 --> 00:35:18,841
Speaker 4: lot of work across the youth justice centers I have

755
00:35:18,961 --> 00:35:20,961
Speaker 4: for for a very long time now. And you know,

756
00:35:21,081 --> 00:35:23,641
Speaker 4: one of the exercises that we sort of go through

757
00:35:23,721 --> 00:35:27,401
Speaker 4: is around, you know, drawing up, you know, making sure

758
00:35:27,441 --> 00:35:30,801
Speaker 4: it's visual of like, you know, he's an examples of

759
00:35:30,841 --> 00:35:33,961
Speaker 4: a Bobby or Jeff and Jeff's are very know the

760
00:35:34,041 --> 00:35:35,641
Speaker 4: person that we all want to look at.

761
00:35:35,721 --> 00:35:36,441
Speaker 3: What's that look like?

762
00:35:36,521 --> 00:35:39,401
Speaker 4: You know, he's strong, he takes care of his family.

763
00:35:40,041 --> 00:35:42,041
Speaker 4: You know, who's the father that he's probably needed in

764
00:35:42,041 --> 00:35:44,681
Speaker 4: your life, that type of individual. We go over to

765
00:35:44,761 --> 00:35:46,721
Speaker 4: the other thing, we draw this up, and you know,

766
00:35:46,801 --> 00:35:48,881
Speaker 4: what's the person you don't want to see yourself that,

767
00:35:49,041 --> 00:35:51,161
Speaker 4: what's someone that you might have had in his life

768
00:35:51,161 --> 00:35:52,841
Speaker 4: that you don't want to have anything to be like

769
00:35:52,921 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: that reverse role model?

770
00:35:54,041 --> 00:35:59,641
Speaker 3: So yeah, be violent, bash people, bash you know their kids,

771
00:35:59,681 --> 00:36:01,441
Speaker 3: you know, rob people. I don't want to do this,

772
00:36:01,841 --> 00:36:02,921
Speaker 3: you know.

773
00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:05,641
Speaker 4: So it makes it very real of like where you

774
00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:07,281
Speaker 4: want to be and the work you need to work

775
00:36:07,321 --> 00:36:08,801
Speaker 4: towards to be that individual.

776
00:36:08,841 --> 00:36:09,681
Speaker 3: That's every one of you.

777
00:36:09,761 --> 00:36:11,481
Speaker 4: I know you're locked up right now, but that's the

778
00:36:11,481 --> 00:36:12,761
Speaker 4: way you want to aim to be and this is

779
00:36:12,801 --> 00:36:16,201
Speaker 4: what it's going to be to get there and over here, unfortunately,

780
00:36:16,281 --> 00:36:18,801
Speaker 4: and that's the truth, boys, And you're on track, the

781
00:36:18,881 --> 00:36:21,081
Speaker 4: head down in this path unless you make that step

782
00:36:21,321 --> 00:36:24,081
Speaker 4: in the right direction and to be more aware of

783
00:36:24,121 --> 00:36:25,841
Speaker 4: where you are at and the work you need to

784
00:36:25,841 --> 00:36:28,601
Speaker 4: do to get here and again. And it all comes

785
00:36:28,601 --> 00:36:31,321
Speaker 4: back to it, I reckon and just having those those honest,

786
00:36:31,681 --> 00:36:32,721
Speaker 4: good conversations.

787
00:36:32,761 --> 00:36:34,561
Speaker 3: They're hard, but they're good and they needed.

788
00:36:34,761 --> 00:36:36,921
Speaker 2: Can we lock this in as tool number one from

789
00:36:37,001 --> 00:36:40,921
Speaker 2: JOHLD Thompson in this conversation because it's very valuable and

790
00:36:40,961 --> 00:36:44,281
Speaker 2: I think that right there, and you know, to everybody

791
00:36:44,401 --> 00:36:45,201
Speaker 2: out there listening.

792
00:36:45,801 --> 00:36:46,881
Speaker 1: This is what it's about.

793
00:36:47,001 --> 00:36:50,321
Speaker 2: This is what we're trying to do is give so

794
00:36:50,441 --> 00:36:53,081
Speaker 2: many people the tools. And I ask you now, whilst

795
00:36:53,081 --> 00:36:55,361
Speaker 2: you're listening and take a moment and look at yourself

796
00:36:55,561 --> 00:36:59,041
Speaker 2: and actually look in the mirror, like fuck perfection, There

797
00:36:59,081 --> 00:37:01,521
Speaker 2: is no perfection, And who wants to be perfect? But

798
00:37:01,641 --> 00:37:04,201
Speaker 2: just look at yourself and ask am I being the

799
00:37:04,201 --> 00:37:07,721
Speaker 2: best version of me? And if not, that's okay, that's okay.

800
00:37:07,801 --> 00:37:11,201
Speaker 2: Don't don't go kicking yourself and snowballing and pile and

801
00:37:11,641 --> 00:37:15,041
Speaker 2: shit on ship. No, let's move the ship. Let's step

802
00:37:15,081 --> 00:37:16,961
Speaker 2: it and start to work out who am I?

803
00:37:17,121 --> 00:37:17,801
Speaker 1: Who do I want to be?

804
00:37:17,961 --> 00:37:21,281
Speaker 4: And for the listeners too, those hard conversations you need

805
00:37:21,321 --> 00:37:23,201
Speaker 4: to hear them, and that's where you need people around

806
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:25,841
Speaker 4: it that will tell you the truth of exactly what

807
00:37:25,881 --> 00:37:28,321
Speaker 4: you're doing and where you're going. And I guess you

808
00:37:28,321 --> 00:37:30,161
Speaker 4: know when I go in and do that work and

809
00:37:30,201 --> 00:37:33,121
Speaker 4: across I think I'm across six youth justice centers now

810
00:37:33,281 --> 00:37:35,721
Speaker 4: with these young young fellows that are hurt, that come

811
00:37:35,761 --> 00:37:41,041
Speaker 4: from you know, absolutely disgusting starts to life, but they

812
00:37:41,081 --> 00:37:43,081
Speaker 4: all want to be better. A lot of them are

813
00:37:43,161 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 4: just hurt lost kids that just want to be better.

814
00:37:47,001 --> 00:37:49,321
Speaker 4: And when you do this exercise, and it's a very

815
00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:54,081
Speaker 4: simple thing, but we draw, we label, we create this

816
00:37:54,161 --> 00:37:56,561
Speaker 4: person of where they all want to be.

817
00:37:56,761 --> 00:37:58,321
Speaker 3: They all want to be in that direction.

818
00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:00,361
Speaker 4: They want to be providing for their family, they want

819
00:38:00,401 --> 00:38:02,001
Speaker 4: to be a better role model, they want to help

820
00:38:02,041 --> 00:38:04,681
Speaker 4: out your other younger kids in the community, not to

821
00:38:04,721 --> 00:38:06,721
Speaker 4: go for where they are and being locked up.

822
00:38:06,761 --> 00:38:08,681
Speaker 3: And that's where they going.

823
00:38:08,761 --> 00:38:11,721
Speaker 4: But it takes a lot of work, unfortunately in life

824
00:38:12,041 --> 00:38:14,401
Speaker 4: and and and for a lot of us, we start

825
00:38:14,441 --> 00:38:16,881
Speaker 4: back here. If it's a race, others are up here,

826
00:38:16,961 --> 00:38:20,761
Speaker 4: head start, they're here. The get there is a lot

827
00:38:20,801 --> 00:38:23,441
Speaker 4: of it's a different journey. It's a different journey.

828
00:38:23,681 --> 00:38:26,441
Speaker 2: It really is love and compassion on that journey is

829
00:38:26,481 --> 00:38:27,161
Speaker 2: so important.

830
00:38:27,321 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: Is something that is just not there for so many so.

831
00:38:30,601 --> 00:38:32,961
Speaker 4: And there's so many different parts to get people up

832
00:38:33,001 --> 00:38:36,241
Speaker 4: to to be, you know, to where they need to be.

833
00:38:37,001 --> 00:38:40,601
Speaker 4: So that like that exercise, I just enjoy it because

834
00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:44,841
Speaker 4: it's very it's hard for them to listen to, but

835
00:38:44,961 --> 00:38:47,201
Speaker 4: they need to hear it and they need to actually

836
00:38:47,681 --> 00:38:50,321
Speaker 4: tell me exactly where you don't want to be, who

837
00:38:50,361 --> 00:38:53,361
Speaker 4: don't you want to be what type of individual don't

838
00:38:53,361 --> 00:38:53,801
Speaker 4: you want to be.

839
00:38:54,281 --> 00:38:55,921
Speaker 3: I don't want to bash people. I don't want to

840
00:38:55,961 --> 00:38:58,761
Speaker 3: rob people. I don't want to be on you know,

841
00:38:59,841 --> 00:39:02,161
Speaker 3: hooked on dry. I don't want to be living that life.

842
00:39:02,401 --> 00:39:05,561
Speaker 4: It's it's it's yuck, it's hurt, it's it's not I

843
00:39:05,561 --> 00:39:09,361
Speaker 4: don't want well, boys that you need to start making

844
00:39:09,361 --> 00:39:11,881
Speaker 4: these decisions now to not end up there?

845
00:39:12,041 --> 00:39:14,641
Speaker 2: Can I ask you to now because like you work

846
00:39:14,641 --> 00:39:17,041
Speaker 2: in the space, and I think many people have this

847
00:39:17,121 --> 00:39:19,881
Speaker 2: question because it's now become such a.

848
00:39:19,681 --> 00:39:22,241
Speaker 1: I guess a public motivated conversation.

849
00:39:22,561 --> 00:39:25,361
Speaker 2: You know, they're all chasing the glory on this social

850
00:39:25,401 --> 00:39:29,081
Speaker 2: media bullshit, and the hotties and kids are going to die.

851
00:39:29,521 --> 00:39:31,361
Speaker 2: Public innocent people are going to do this. There's no

852
00:39:31,401 --> 00:39:33,841
Speaker 2: two ways about it. You know, vehicle's a loaded gun.

853
00:39:33,881 --> 00:39:37,201
Speaker 2: And I get it. I was a kid that's you know,

854
00:39:37,441 --> 00:39:40,321
Speaker 2: drave hotties. I used to jump bank counters. It's what

855
00:39:40,601 --> 00:39:43,041
Speaker 2: just part and parcel. But we didn't have the phone

856
00:39:43,081 --> 00:39:45,401
Speaker 2: at that stage, filming us and hanging out sun rooms

857
00:39:45,441 --> 00:39:48,561
Speaker 2: and doing the things that our young boys and girls

858
00:39:48,601 --> 00:39:50,681
Speaker 2: are doing today, like working on ourselves.

859
00:39:50,681 --> 00:39:55,241
Speaker 1: I get, but then look at sociably are they.

860
00:39:55,081 --> 00:39:59,721
Speaker 2: Strong enough, and do you think that there's enough social support?

861
00:40:00,321 --> 00:40:02,881
Speaker 2: And I use that word very very light because I

862
00:40:02,921 --> 00:40:05,321
Speaker 2: don't eat personally. I'm going to be straight blunt. Don't

863
00:40:05,321 --> 00:40:06,921
Speaker 2: think there is we can do all the ticking of

864
00:40:06,961 --> 00:40:10,601
Speaker 2: the boxes tell you right now, but how do we

865
00:40:10,721 --> 00:40:13,361
Speaker 2: how do we help and make this change? Like fucking

866
00:40:13,401 --> 00:40:14,401
Speaker 2: burn social media?

867
00:40:14,561 --> 00:40:17,721
Speaker 3: Okay, what I believe this is my opinion from what

868
00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:18,521
Speaker 3: my experience.

869
00:40:18,561 --> 00:40:21,401
Speaker 4: I've been in this space for over ten or so years,

870
00:40:21,441 --> 00:40:23,761
Speaker 4: so I'm not someone that's just come unjumped on in

871
00:40:23,761 --> 00:40:27,681
Speaker 4: the last year or whatever. But what I see is

872
00:40:28,281 --> 00:40:30,841
Speaker 4: a lot of hurt. Like these individual these young ones

873
00:40:30,841 --> 00:40:33,961
Speaker 4: are hurt that they're they're going through trauma. But unless

874
00:40:34,001 --> 00:40:36,281
Speaker 4: that is worked on, unless they're aware of it and

875
00:40:36,281 --> 00:40:39,321
Speaker 4: they're taking that responsibility and to own it.

876
00:40:39,401 --> 00:40:41,041
Speaker 3: Okay, it's not their fault, but they need.

877
00:40:40,921 --> 00:40:43,241
Speaker 4: To now understand that that's what's going to hold them

878
00:40:43,281 --> 00:40:44,801
Speaker 4: back in moving forward.

879
00:40:44,841 --> 00:40:47,961
Speaker 1: And their choices. It is it is, it is Childhood's

880
00:40:47,961 --> 00:40:48,641
Speaker 1: not their fault.

881
00:40:49,721 --> 00:40:53,041
Speaker 4: It comes back to that cycle of their thoughts, their

882
00:40:53,041 --> 00:40:56,441
Speaker 4: beliefs going into going to make their actions and what

883
00:40:56,481 --> 00:40:58,721
Speaker 4: they're going to do going to get their results in life,

884
00:40:59,521 --> 00:41:02,001
Speaker 4: So their results it all starts in that and that

885
00:41:02,121 --> 00:41:02,881
Speaker 4: sort of triangle.

886
00:41:02,961 --> 00:41:04,881
Speaker 3: Right, So unless we change that.

887
00:41:05,121 --> 00:41:08,481
Speaker 4: And we work on that, there's no use throwing them

888
00:41:08,481 --> 00:41:10,241
Speaker 4: into Let's get them out to a job. When they

889
00:41:10,241 --> 00:41:12,561
Speaker 4: get out, they'll be right. It's not going to work

890
00:41:12,601 --> 00:41:15,401
Speaker 4: that way. It is going to be through identifying the

891
00:41:15,481 --> 00:41:18,921
Speaker 4: right support there, but also moving them into education and

892
00:41:18,961 --> 00:41:21,401
Speaker 4: training and into an employment that's going to be a

893
00:41:21,401 --> 00:41:24,721
Speaker 4: supportive environment and an employer that's going to really back on.

894
00:41:25,121 --> 00:41:28,041
Speaker 4: They need that extra support in that environment. But that's

895
00:41:28,081 --> 00:41:29,881
Speaker 4: what's going to make a genuine change. And we see

896
00:41:29,881 --> 00:41:32,321
Speaker 4: a lot of people out there. They're this, they're that,

897
00:41:32,361 --> 00:41:34,201
Speaker 4: lock them up, put them away for longer.

898
00:41:34,921 --> 00:41:37,561
Speaker 3: It's not solving anything to rest our way out of it.

899
00:41:37,681 --> 00:41:38,761
Speaker 1: It's putting it on the shelf.

900
00:41:38,921 --> 00:41:40,761
Speaker 3: It is and it makes me absolutely sick.

901
00:41:40,841 --> 00:41:43,521
Speaker 1: And for me, it's like a jar of vegetables in

902
00:41:43,801 --> 00:41:44,681
Speaker 1: a bit of vinegar or whatever.

903
00:41:45,361 --> 00:41:47,641
Speaker 4: And the thing is right, and we have these people

904
00:41:47,681 --> 00:41:48,881
Speaker 4: out there in the community.

905
00:41:48,961 --> 00:41:50,281
Speaker 3: I don't I don't feel like there is.

906
00:41:50,321 --> 00:41:52,521
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people pointing fingers and saying this

907
00:41:52,641 --> 00:41:54,641
Speaker 4: and saying that, but they haven't lived it.

908
00:41:54,681 --> 00:41:56,841
Speaker 3: I don't understand it. I don't want to and and

909
00:41:56,881 --> 00:41:57,721
Speaker 3: the thing is we.

910
00:41:57,721 --> 00:42:02,601
Speaker 4: Don't have we don't we lack true leadership across businesses,

911
00:42:03,001 --> 00:42:07,441
Speaker 4: across the community, where all it's about is filling pockets,

912
00:42:07,521 --> 00:42:12,201
Speaker 4: about money in pockets.

913
00:42:11,001 --> 00:42:14,601
Speaker 1: And funding just to fucking piss up and make yourself.

914
00:42:15,081 --> 00:42:16,521
Speaker 3: And that's and that's the sad thing.

915
00:42:16,561 --> 00:42:19,121
Speaker 4: And we're seeing the results of that now in the communion.

916
00:42:19,161 --> 00:42:22,561
Speaker 4: I'll tell you right now what I'm witnessing, and I'll

917
00:42:22,601 --> 00:42:27,401
Speaker 4: say is publicly the projection we're on is so concerning

918
00:42:27,521 --> 00:42:30,281
Speaker 4: because we're seeing more on our streets, we're seeing more

919
00:42:30,321 --> 00:42:33,641
Speaker 4: hurt out there, We're seeing our juvis and jails getting full, and.

920
00:42:33,841 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: Even the crimes are becoming.

921
00:42:35,121 --> 00:42:40,201
Speaker 4: More more, more serious, more violent. And I said, I

922
00:42:40,241 --> 00:42:41,321
Speaker 4: look it across the world.

923
00:42:41,761 --> 00:42:42,801
Speaker 3: I dive into water.

924
00:42:43,401 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 4: But you look at America right and what we're seeing

925
00:42:45,481 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: across their major cities now massive concern through the homelessness.

926
00:42:49,561 --> 00:42:52,921
Speaker 2: Look at we used to have always there and then

927
00:42:52,921 --> 00:42:54,641
Speaker 2: we went to the ice. But that sentinels just.

928
00:42:54,641 --> 00:42:58,161
Speaker 4: I'll tell you right now, and I don't want to

929
00:42:58,161 --> 00:43:01,521
Speaker 4: wish it upon Australia, but it's not looking good.

930
00:43:01,561 --> 00:43:02,281
Speaker 3: It's not looking good.

931
00:43:02,481 --> 00:43:06,921
Speaker 4: It all comes back through poor leadership, through poor politicians,

932
00:43:07,401 --> 00:43:10,521
Speaker 4: poor leadership through our communities, people letting down the people

933
00:43:10,521 --> 00:43:13,801
Speaker 4: that we're there to support, and business is more focused

934
00:43:13,801 --> 00:43:17,241
Speaker 4: about filling pockets, about actually and generally creating pathways that

935
00:43:17,361 --> 00:43:20,721
Speaker 4: help change some of these lives. Yeah, I'm very passionate

936
00:43:20,761 --> 00:43:23,241
Speaker 4: about this space, and I've had some hard conversations.

937
00:43:23,321 --> 00:43:24,561
Speaker 3: They're not hard, actually they're good.

938
00:43:24,561 --> 00:43:28,921
Speaker 1: I'm happy that it's real conversations. It's genuous, genuine different.

939
00:43:28,961 --> 00:43:30,881
Speaker 3: I'm trying to open up doors for these people. If

940
00:43:30,921 --> 00:43:32,561
Speaker 3: we've got people that actually generally.

941
00:43:32,361 --> 00:43:34,281
Speaker 4: Want to change their life and trying to give us

942
00:43:34,401 --> 00:43:37,001
Speaker 4: and move forward, we should be doing everything we can

943
00:43:37,201 --> 00:43:39,001
Speaker 4: to help them support them to do that, because that

944
00:43:39,081 --> 00:43:42,161
Speaker 4: does break generations, you know, that breaks They's got these

945
00:43:42,201 --> 00:43:44,521
Speaker 4: young kids they're raising, seeing a working mum and dad

946
00:43:44,521 --> 00:43:47,961
Speaker 4: that are doing better. That's providing them opportunities to live better.

947
00:43:48,041 --> 00:43:52,681
Speaker 4: So yeah, again, as you can tell, I'm very passionate.

948
00:43:52,681 --> 00:43:54,801
Speaker 4: I won't step away from it, and.

949
00:43:55,361 --> 00:43:57,681
Speaker 2: We need more of Joel Thompson because this is the

950
00:43:57,681 --> 00:44:01,201
Speaker 2: reality of where we're at and socially right now. Yeah,

951
00:44:01,521 --> 00:44:04,201
Speaker 2: people are too scared to actually have a say they've

952
00:44:04,201 --> 00:44:05,641
Speaker 2: lost their backbone.

953
00:44:05,241 --> 00:44:06,481
Speaker 3: And the thing is right, Like.

954
00:44:08,041 --> 00:44:12,481
Speaker 4: I think we're so now we forget actually who we

955
00:44:12,561 --> 00:44:15,201
Speaker 4: are and like as a society, and instead of being

956
00:44:15,321 --> 00:44:19,201
Speaker 4: giving and supportive and understanding, having that empathy and giving

957
00:44:19,241 --> 00:44:23,841
Speaker 4: people a fair go, as we say in Australia, what

958
00:44:24,001 --> 00:44:24,361
Speaker 4: fair go.

959
00:44:25,121 --> 00:44:27,921
Speaker 3: It's laughable because I see a lot of lips.

960
00:44:28,561 --> 00:44:30,641
Speaker 1: On there and have a fucking fair go. There's a

961
00:44:30,681 --> 00:44:30,961
Speaker 1: lot of.

962
00:44:30,881 --> 00:44:32,801
Speaker 4: Lip service right. There's a lot of people doing this

963
00:44:32,881 --> 00:44:35,761
Speaker 4: and doing that. They're doing absolutely enough, They're doing nothing,

964
00:44:35,801 --> 00:44:40,361
Speaker 4: and it's making me sick. It is if you're an employee,

965
00:44:40,361 --> 00:44:43,161
Speaker 4: you've got an opportunity to actually create these pathways to

966
00:44:43,201 --> 00:44:46,321
Speaker 4: give those ones down and out that need their hand up,

967
00:44:46,361 --> 00:44:49,001
Speaker 4: that just need that opportunity to move forward in life.

968
00:44:49,241 --> 00:44:51,401
Speaker 4: We've got to back on. We've got to come together

969
00:44:51,441 --> 00:44:53,881
Speaker 4: and back on. And there's another way around it. And

970
00:44:54,001 --> 00:44:56,561
Speaker 4: I've been lucky enough with Yakka. Now I've seen some

971
00:44:56,601 --> 00:44:59,521
Speaker 4: really good success stories just from someone I wasn't doing

972
00:44:59,521 --> 00:45:01,281
Speaker 4: anything out of the world. I was just more just

973
00:45:01,321 --> 00:45:04,041
Speaker 4: being there supporting them and showing them the way. And

974
00:45:04,081 --> 00:45:06,961
Speaker 4: now I've got them out there working, kicking goals and

975
00:45:07,121 --> 00:45:09,401
Speaker 4: just doing really well and creating their own.

976
00:45:09,801 --> 00:45:12,401
Speaker 3: Now they're the leaders. They're the leaders are now the

977
00:45:12,441 --> 00:45:12,881
Speaker 3: show the.

978
00:45:12,841 --> 00:45:17,081
Speaker 4: Way, and I just want more doors to be open

979
00:45:17,201 --> 00:45:19,721
Speaker 4: and more opportunities instead of looking at it overseas, more

980
00:45:19,761 --> 00:45:21,641
Speaker 4: for people coming here for a better life and better

981
00:45:23,081 --> 00:45:24,961
Speaker 4: Let's focus on what we're seeing out there at the

982
00:45:24,961 --> 00:45:25,761
Speaker 4: moment in our.

983
00:45:25,721 --> 00:45:28,961
Speaker 3: Own community to deal with our own what we've got here.

984
00:45:29,361 --> 00:45:32,721
Speaker 4: They're talking about there's a shortage and the workforces, and no,

985
00:45:32,801 --> 00:45:33,881
Speaker 4: there's not a shortage.

986
00:45:34,281 --> 00:45:37,361
Speaker 3: There's not that there's not enough leadership.

987
00:45:37,361 --> 00:45:39,401
Speaker 2: There's a lack of stepping stones to give people the

988
00:45:39,441 --> 00:45:41,241
Speaker 2: tools to be able to be those people to feel

989
00:45:41,241 --> 00:45:41,761
Speaker 2: those jobs.

990
00:45:41,761 --> 00:45:44,121
Speaker 4: And like I said, we've got people starting here. We

991
00:45:44,201 --> 00:45:46,001
Speaker 4: needed to get them up here to open.

992
00:45:45,961 --> 00:45:47,801
Speaker 3: Up the door. And you've got a superstar just waiting

993
00:45:47,801 --> 00:45:48,041
Speaker 3: to go.

994
00:45:48,361 --> 00:45:50,361
Speaker 2: I'm going to say this, and you're not going to

995
00:45:50,401 --> 00:45:53,441
Speaker 2: expect it, but I've followed this journey of yours and

996
00:45:53,481 --> 00:45:55,961
Speaker 2: I know you don't put up too much, and so

997
00:45:56,041 --> 00:45:58,041
Speaker 2: then I respect that because of the space that you

998
00:45:58,121 --> 00:45:59,681
Speaker 2: work in, there is a privacy.

999
00:45:59,721 --> 00:46:01,921
Speaker 1: And there was a particular post.

1000
00:46:01,641 --> 00:46:04,601
Speaker 2: That you did with a lovely lady, and I believe

1001
00:46:04,601 --> 00:46:08,201
Speaker 2: it she would a single mom an indigenously.

1002
00:46:08,641 --> 00:46:10,641
Speaker 1: With the railway program.

1003
00:46:10,681 --> 00:46:12,681
Speaker 2: And this would have been about six weeks, five six

1004
00:46:12,721 --> 00:46:18,561
Speaker 2: weeks ago. It was right and I fuck, I'm tingling

1005
00:46:18,561 --> 00:46:20,881
Speaker 2: with her hands on my arms. Right, So we're talking

1006
00:46:20,921 --> 00:46:26,761
Speaker 2: about a woman who's here on social media proudly speaking.

1007
00:46:26,801 --> 00:46:30,201
Speaker 2: Oh I'm feeling this right now, bro, because it.

1008
00:46:30,241 --> 00:46:31,081
Speaker 1: Hit me in the heart.

1009
00:46:31,321 --> 00:46:35,881
Speaker 2: I just it got me emotional and I thought, how

1010
00:46:35,881 --> 00:46:37,641
Speaker 2: could you not give this beautiful woman?

1011
00:46:38,001 --> 00:46:39,641
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what fucking job?

1012
00:46:39,841 --> 00:46:41,721
Speaker 3: Let her live a dream, I'll tell you right now.

1013
00:46:41,721 --> 00:46:45,241
Speaker 1: Wow, the tears, Sorry, it was heavy.

1014
00:46:45,721 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: That's one example. That's one. Yeah.

1015
00:46:48,441 --> 00:46:51,481
Speaker 4: She was someone that made some poor choices, done her

1016
00:46:51,521 --> 00:46:54,321
Speaker 4: time right, she come out. All she wanted to be

1017
00:46:54,601 --> 00:46:56,601
Speaker 4: is a better mother and show the way for her

1018
00:46:56,681 --> 00:47:00,201
Speaker 4: young boys and show them a better life. Beautiful, not

1019
00:47:00,241 --> 00:47:02,361
Speaker 4: to be caught in into that cycle, not to be

1020
00:47:02,401 --> 00:47:03,281
Speaker 4: caught into that.

1021
00:47:03,161 --> 00:47:05,401
Speaker 3: Well, but the show that kids are better away.

1022
00:47:05,721 --> 00:47:08,041
Speaker 4: She committed to you know, we don't run a program

1023
00:47:08,081 --> 00:47:10,721
Speaker 4: launching to work back from the Feds.

1024
00:47:10,721 --> 00:47:11,321
Speaker 3: And we got it.

1025
00:47:11,401 --> 00:47:14,361
Speaker 4: And after she completed, she was turning up early.

1026
00:47:14,481 --> 00:47:15,761
Speaker 3: She was so respectful.

1027
00:47:15,801 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 4: She was helping the other students, you know, going through

1028
00:47:18,041 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 4: We had employers come in. She was asking so many

1029
00:47:21,001 --> 00:47:22,921
Speaker 4: good questions and every time they left and went, wow,

1030
00:47:23,601 --> 00:47:25,881
Speaker 4: she was good. She was so I said, she just

1031
00:47:25,921 --> 00:47:28,281
Speaker 4: wants a better life. Man, she just wants to move forward.

1032
00:47:28,481 --> 00:47:31,401
Speaker 1: She said, she has an asset to And that's what

1033
00:47:31,401 --> 00:47:31,921
Speaker 1: I'd call.

1034
00:47:31,841 --> 00:47:34,081
Speaker 4: A true don't worry about your footy players or your

1035
00:47:34,441 --> 00:47:37,241
Speaker 4: your people in the Olympics or all these other b like,

1036
00:47:37,601 --> 00:47:40,921
Speaker 4: that's who I call a true role model. I believe

1037
00:47:40,961 --> 00:47:44,761
Speaker 4: in the community and with her. Now she's working on

1038
00:47:44,801 --> 00:47:49,361
Speaker 4: a waterfront project. Not she's got a job, full time job,

1039
00:47:49,921 --> 00:47:53,161
Speaker 4: and sheeps me so happy but absolutely fucking goals.

1040
00:47:53,401 --> 00:47:55,761
Speaker 3: Yes, doing so well. I got it.

1041
00:47:56,281 --> 00:48:01,841
Speaker 1: I went, I went on a site, genuinely fucking interest

1042
00:48:01,881 --> 00:48:02,081
Speaker 1: in this.

1043
00:48:02,401 --> 00:48:05,961
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, she's an absolute legend. But passed on my regard.

1044
00:48:06,041 --> 00:48:08,201
Speaker 1: I mightn't know how from a bar of soa, but man,

1045
00:48:08,321 --> 00:48:09,121
Speaker 1: where I felt it.

1046
00:48:09,561 --> 00:48:10,601
Speaker 3: You know how powerful this is.

1047
00:48:10,641 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 4: But I went down a site visit the other day

1048
00:48:12,601 --> 00:48:14,801
Speaker 4: and checked and just to catch up with her and

1049
00:48:15,721 --> 00:48:18,921
Speaker 4: big smiles, big hard and just absolutely loving it, Like

1050
00:48:19,121 --> 00:48:22,601
Speaker 4: very emotional because I know her history and her background

1051
00:48:22,641 --> 00:48:23,361
Speaker 4: and where she's at and.

1052
00:48:23,361 --> 00:48:26,321
Speaker 6: I knew there was so much what you so much

1053
00:48:26,401 --> 00:48:28,281
Speaker 6: to it, what I wouldn't be able to share, of course,

1054
00:48:28,361 --> 00:48:32,161
Speaker 6: but with that she is just absolutely grabbed that opportunity

1055
00:48:32,561 --> 00:48:35,761
Speaker 6: that employer right opened up the door and just said,

1056
00:48:35,801 --> 00:48:37,601
Speaker 6: you know what, I'm going to give her a shoty

1057
00:48:37,601 --> 00:48:38,321
Speaker 6: and give her a chance.

1058
00:48:38,361 --> 00:48:40,881
Speaker 3: I'm going to get a train. And now she's changing everything.

1059
00:48:40,961 --> 00:48:43,881
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's got the opportunity now to buy her first property,

1060
00:48:44,081 --> 00:48:46,041
Speaker 4: to take your kids on holidays.

1061
00:48:45,681 --> 00:48:48,561
Speaker 3: To give them a life that's going to be in.

1062
00:48:48,561 --> 00:48:52,201
Speaker 4: The less and yeah, what I just that's what I

1063
00:48:52,321 --> 00:48:55,961
Speaker 4: truly want to do, because I'll be honest, growing up

1064
00:48:56,241 --> 00:48:59,281
Speaker 4: even with like you know, having you know, the father

1065
00:48:59,321 --> 00:49:01,241
Speaker 4: that come into my life and be able to play footy,

1066
00:49:01,721 --> 00:49:03,761
Speaker 4: that took me out of that environment, gave me a

1067
00:49:03,801 --> 00:49:06,521
Speaker 4: different life, It really did. But I never forgot who

1068
00:49:06,561 --> 00:49:09,921
Speaker 4: I was and where I come from. Unfortunately, values aren't

1069
00:49:09,921 --> 00:49:11,481
Speaker 4: they And that's right, and I never forgot you know,

1070
00:49:11,601 --> 00:49:14,001
Speaker 4: my brothers one just got out, but the others still

1071
00:49:14,041 --> 00:49:16,841
Speaker 4: locked up. Now that didn't get that opportunities like I

1072
00:49:16,881 --> 00:49:18,961
Speaker 4: did it, and I still fighting through their own battles

1073
00:49:18,961 --> 00:49:21,281
Speaker 4: and their own to get to the other side. And

1074
00:49:21,961 --> 00:49:24,521
Speaker 4: for me, I got pulled out and I got given

1075
00:49:24,721 --> 00:49:27,321
Speaker 4: the opportunity to go forward, and but I could never

1076
00:49:27,441 --> 00:49:32,121
Speaker 4: leave behind my experiences or where I truly come from,

1077
00:49:32,401 --> 00:49:32,601
Speaker 4: you know.

1078
00:49:32,721 --> 00:49:34,921
Speaker 3: And that's what it's about because I.

1079
00:49:34,921 --> 00:49:37,521
Speaker 4: Know it's like, you know, for that for her young boys,

1080
00:49:37,521 --> 00:49:40,681
Speaker 4: that not having someone working or being in trouble or

1081
00:49:40,761 --> 00:49:43,681
Speaker 4: going through that hole invite. I can feel it and

1082
00:49:43,961 --> 00:49:46,641
Speaker 4: just see it in my so I know how important

1083
00:49:46,721 --> 00:49:48,881
Speaker 4: that they're right there for her to go out there

1084
00:49:48,881 --> 00:49:50,921
Speaker 4: and show the way their story is going to be

1085
00:49:51,001 --> 00:49:54,681
Speaker 4: totally different, totally different. Their grandkids, Her grandkids are going

1086
00:49:54,761 --> 00:49:56,881
Speaker 4: to be totally breaking the cycle, their grandkids.

1087
00:49:56,921 --> 00:49:59,401
Speaker 3: The whole thing is broken because of her just going.

1088
00:49:59,481 --> 00:50:00,561
Speaker 3: Ya know what I'm from myself.

1089
00:50:00,601 --> 00:50:02,721
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I've seen it like it was just

1090
00:50:02,961 --> 00:50:04,281
Speaker 1: it was just a short post.

1091
00:50:04,361 --> 00:50:06,841
Speaker 2: And look, I don't even know if it's still on

1092
00:50:06,881 --> 00:50:09,081
Speaker 2: there on your page, but if anyone's out there, look

1093
00:50:09,121 --> 00:50:11,281
Speaker 2: when we finished, I'll give you Joels details and please

1094
00:50:11,321 --> 00:50:11,921
Speaker 2: take a moment.

1095
00:50:11,921 --> 00:50:13,481
Speaker 1: But look, as someone.

1096
00:50:13,281 --> 00:50:17,041
Speaker 2: That's really I've experienced my life at forty eight, you know,

1097
00:50:17,121 --> 00:50:21,601
Speaker 2: like it was actually you know, just it fucking hear

1098
00:50:21,641 --> 00:50:24,761
Speaker 2: me speak, and it got me in the fields because

1099
00:50:24,761 --> 00:50:28,761
Speaker 2: I just went, someone believes in you, and that's all

1100
00:50:28,801 --> 00:50:30,841
Speaker 2: you need in life is just that little bit of

1101
00:50:30,881 --> 00:50:34,081
Speaker 2: belief sometimes and someone to go. I got ya, genuinely,

1102
00:50:34,201 --> 00:50:36,881
Speaker 2: I got yall. We're going to do this together. I'm

1103
00:50:36,921 --> 00:50:39,761
Speaker 2: going to elevate you. And you know what, Yes, okay,

1104
00:50:39,801 --> 00:50:42,681
Speaker 2: we need to individually take our own steps. But this

1105
00:50:42,761 --> 00:50:44,681
Speaker 2: is why I'm doing this season and I'm going to

1106
00:50:44,761 --> 00:50:47,961
Speaker 2: continue to clink in this manner because I want to

1107
00:50:48,001 --> 00:50:51,481
Speaker 2: be able to get us together, our guests, and to

1108
00:50:51,641 --> 00:50:55,561
Speaker 2: uplift people, to give them the tools to then take

1109
00:50:55,601 --> 00:50:59,281
Speaker 2: that step individually and be proud and confident and know

1110
00:50:59,361 --> 00:51:02,041
Speaker 2: that whatever their dream is, whatever it might be, like,

1111
00:51:02,161 --> 00:51:03,121
Speaker 2: they can do it.

1112
00:51:03,281 --> 00:51:06,041
Speaker 1: You can do it and be better than the day before.

1113
00:51:06,241 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: Like it's just I share something real quickly, and there's

1114
00:51:11,001 --> 00:51:13,601
Speaker 2: no cloud, Chuck, there's nothing about this other than the

1115
00:51:13,641 --> 00:51:14,481
Speaker 2: fact of what it is.

1116
00:51:15,441 --> 00:51:17,161
Speaker 1: Last week and you might have seen it on my stood.

1117
00:51:17,161 --> 00:51:17,521
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1118
00:51:18,281 --> 00:51:20,641
Speaker 2: I pulled into the serv I've started a small business

1119
00:51:20,641 --> 00:51:22,201
Speaker 2: and new business, as you know, and I've kicked them

1120
00:51:22,281 --> 00:51:24,481
Speaker 2: nine weeks in so I've stopped driving trucks around Australia.

1121
00:51:24,521 --> 00:51:25,681
Speaker 1: I'm home anyway. I'm pulling.

1122
00:51:25,841 --> 00:51:28,761
Speaker 2: It's a pressure cleaning business and I'm feeling up at

1123
00:51:28,761 --> 00:51:30,721
Speaker 2: my local server. I look at it and I see

1124
00:51:30,721 --> 00:51:35,881
Speaker 2: this young fella nineteen twenty, very thin, black feet, black hens,

1125
00:51:35,881 --> 00:51:38,361
Speaker 2: look like I hadn't showered in a week. I instantly

1126
00:51:38,401 --> 00:51:40,561
Speaker 2: started to pay attention because I look for I really

1127
00:51:40,601 --> 00:51:42,521
Speaker 2: felt I could just feel it as a man that

1128
00:51:42,521 --> 00:51:44,881
Speaker 2: grew up on the streets homeless at ten years of age.

1129
00:51:45,121 --> 00:51:48,161
Speaker 2: I know it's light, you know, and I'm thinking, how

1130
00:51:48,161 --> 00:51:50,081
Speaker 2: blessed I am feeling up this truck and.

1131
00:51:50,281 --> 00:51:53,081
Speaker 1: You know, I'm feeling fuck. I was that the young man.

1132
00:51:53,121 --> 00:51:54,641
Speaker 2: He's out the hitch and sitting in the gutter, and

1133
00:51:54,721 --> 00:51:57,081
Speaker 2: then the landscape and Blake comes out as, Oh, piss

1134
00:51:57,121 --> 00:51:59,161
Speaker 2: off over there, that's how it's fat. I thought, Oh,

1135
00:51:59,201 --> 00:52:01,201
Speaker 2: I didn't like that, but I couldn't say anything because

1136
00:52:01,201 --> 00:52:04,281
Speaker 2: it wasn't my position to say something at that moment.

1137
00:52:04,361 --> 00:52:05,601
Speaker 1: Blake was trying to his job.

1138
00:52:05,921 --> 00:52:08,681
Speaker 2: Young fellow was just sitting where he probably shouldn't been

1139
00:52:08,681 --> 00:52:12,281
Speaker 2: in their hedges. The ampile at Eleonora KP Right, so

1140
00:52:12,321 --> 00:52:15,761
Speaker 2: you know where I'm talking about. Anyway, he walks over

1141
00:52:15,801 --> 00:52:18,081
Speaker 2: and he sits where the cars park in the just

1142
00:52:18,121 --> 00:52:20,721
Speaker 2: in the gutts in there. I've packed up my thing

1143
00:52:20,721 --> 00:52:22,361
Speaker 2: and I've walked over and I've looked at him, and

1144
00:52:22,401 --> 00:52:24,281
Speaker 2: I've gone to walk in and pay for my field.

1145
00:52:24,281 --> 00:52:26,201
Speaker 2: There was three or four people he's coming behind me,

1146
00:52:26,241 --> 00:52:27,281
Speaker 2: and I could feel his presence.

1147
00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:31,361
Speaker 1: That's okay, I'll just sort of keep a little eye.

1148
00:52:31,961 --> 00:52:34,361
Speaker 2: And I watched and I was like, now three to

1149
00:52:34,401 --> 00:52:36,161
Speaker 2: two once it's my turn to go up and pay

1150
00:52:36,161 --> 00:52:36,641
Speaker 2: for my fuel.

1151
00:52:36,681 --> 00:52:37,721
Speaker 1: And I turned.

1152
00:52:38,201 --> 00:52:41,201
Speaker 2: I've seen him sneak out from behind. He had a

1153
00:52:41,281 --> 00:52:44,281
Speaker 2: can of coconut water and a chocolate. And now, kids,

1154
00:52:44,281 --> 00:52:47,001
Speaker 2: you're not within that second. I looked up and the

1155
00:52:47,001 --> 00:52:49,121
Speaker 2: manager come out of the back room, right so you

1156
00:52:49,161 --> 00:52:51,921
Speaker 2: had someone here on the on the toll paying take

1157
00:52:52,001 --> 00:52:53,761
Speaker 2: the money. And she came out and she looked up

1158
00:52:53,761 --> 00:52:56,281
Speaker 2: and I thought, fuck this poor kid. He's gone for

1159
00:52:56,361 --> 00:52:58,561
Speaker 2: a fucking can of coconut water and a chocolate. And

1160
00:52:58,601 --> 00:53:00,401
Speaker 2: I just stopped and I walked away. She goes, oh,

1161
00:53:00,401 --> 00:53:01,961
Speaker 2: you're paying for a field. I'll be back in a second.

1162
00:53:02,561 --> 00:53:04,401
Speaker 2: And I walked down and they know me, but they

1163
00:53:04,401 --> 00:53:05,001
Speaker 2: didn't know what I was.

1164
00:53:05,441 --> 00:53:07,241
Speaker 1: I walked out. I said this younger, I said, you

1165
00:53:07,281 --> 00:53:09,161
Speaker 1: come out. He goes, yeah, he tried.

1166
00:53:09,201 --> 00:53:11,241
Speaker 2: I said, just come here. I'm going to give you

1167
00:53:11,281 --> 00:53:15,441
Speaker 2: a break because I said you're coming inside. And I

1168
00:53:15,521 --> 00:53:17,561
Speaker 2: knew what I'm thinking. This kid just doesn't learn. He

1169
00:53:17,681 --> 00:53:19,561
Speaker 2: just needs a helping and he's down on his luck.

1170
00:53:19,601 --> 00:53:20,921
Speaker 2: Look at him, mate, he's sitting out the front and

1171
00:53:20,921 --> 00:53:23,761
Speaker 2: he's getting he doesn't need to be kicked anymore. He's hungry.

1172
00:53:24,721 --> 00:53:26,201
Speaker 2: And I walked up to the counter and I said,

1173
00:53:26,201 --> 00:53:27,601
Speaker 2: they put him on the counter. I don't want to

1174
00:53:27,641 --> 00:53:29,161
Speaker 2: make a funck with of him, but I didn't want

1175
00:53:29,201 --> 00:53:32,281
Speaker 2: him to just feel I wanted a lesson to learn

1176
00:53:32,321 --> 00:53:33,281
Speaker 2: out of it, you know what I mean.

1177
00:53:33,601 --> 00:53:34,441
Speaker 1: This wasn't about me.

1178
00:53:34,561 --> 00:53:37,001
Speaker 2: This is about me being that kid, being that person,

1179
00:53:37,081 --> 00:53:40,441
Speaker 2: and actually somebody not believing in me, but me believing

1180
00:53:40,481 --> 00:53:42,681
Speaker 2: in him. And the lady's looking at me, and I

1181
00:53:42,721 --> 00:53:44,801
Speaker 2: sort of just shook my head gently as if to say,

1182
00:53:44,881 --> 00:53:47,721
Speaker 2: don't no, and she sort of give me a gentle nod.

1183
00:53:48,761 --> 00:53:50,361
Speaker 2: And I looked at him and I said, I never

1184
00:53:50,401 --> 00:53:53,561
Speaker 2: fucking steal again from our local areas. I said, this

1185
00:53:53,961 --> 00:53:57,201
Speaker 2: is not my hood, but don't do it, you know,

1186
00:53:57,481 --> 00:53:58,521
Speaker 2: I said, put your hand up.

1187
00:53:58,881 --> 00:53:59,921
Speaker 1: I said, people will help.

1188
00:54:00,561 --> 00:54:02,441
Speaker 2: And as I walked out, he sort of looked at

1189
00:54:02,481 --> 00:54:04,961
Speaker 2: me and he was so ashamed, and he had his

1190
00:54:05,121 --> 00:54:08,001
Speaker 2: head down and he shuffled off. But at that moment,

1191
00:54:08,001 --> 00:54:10,801
Speaker 2: I just thought, you know, if everybody could just be

1192
00:54:10,881 --> 00:54:14,841
Speaker 2: awary of your surroundings and know that that blokes down

1193
00:54:14,921 --> 00:54:17,281
Speaker 2: and out brother that you know you're talking about that mum,

1194
00:54:17,361 --> 00:54:19,321
Speaker 2: And that's where my heart sort of swings.

1195
00:54:19,361 --> 00:54:22,841
Speaker 1: I've lived that life. You've lived that life. We know,

1196
00:54:22,921 --> 00:54:23,881
Speaker 1: we see, we observe.

1197
00:54:24,241 --> 00:54:26,361
Speaker 2: It's easy to call the cops. It's easy to just

1198
00:54:26,401 --> 00:54:28,921
Speaker 2: put someone, lock them up. It's easy to say he's

1199
00:54:28,921 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: a thief, stop him stopping for a fucking coconut water

1200
00:54:32,041 --> 00:54:34,081
Speaker 2: and a chocolate. Or is it easier just to turn

1201
00:54:34,241 --> 00:54:37,801
Speaker 2: and say, hey, mate, come here, there's ten bucks.

1202
00:54:37,801 --> 00:54:40,481
Speaker 1: I'm paying for it now. Fucking please mate, don't do

1203
00:54:40,521 --> 00:54:40,881
Speaker 1: it again.

1204
00:54:42,081 --> 00:54:44,521
Speaker 2: I've just went away in my heart thought I've just

1205
00:54:44,601 --> 00:54:45,841
Speaker 2: kept that bloke out of jail.

1206
00:54:46,081 --> 00:54:48,081
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely all the watchhouse.

1207
00:54:47,761 --> 00:54:51,361
Speaker 1: Or you know, taking his freedom because why he's struggling.

1208
00:54:50,961 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 4: And that's the thing right in life like for him there,

1209
00:54:53,521 --> 00:54:55,801
Speaker 4: he's got a moment right there, he can do whatever

1210
00:54:55,841 --> 00:54:58,561
Speaker 4: he could easily just go. You know what, I'll take

1211
00:54:58,601 --> 00:55:01,281
Speaker 4: that lesson from that and be better.

1212
00:55:01,521 --> 00:55:02,961
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask this, you're going to put this

1213
00:55:03,001 --> 00:55:07,001
Speaker 2: out there because this is all about giving people opportunities

1214
00:55:07,041 --> 00:55:10,361
Speaker 2: and growth and bettering Joel, If somebody out there and

1215
00:55:10,401 --> 00:55:13,521
Speaker 2: if you're listening, out there and if you have anywhere

1216
00:55:13,521 --> 00:55:18,801
Speaker 2: in Australia a business that could provide a job opportunity.

1217
00:55:19,161 --> 00:55:21,921
Speaker 2: And I know that there's plenty of company, big people

1218
00:55:21,921 --> 00:55:24,681
Speaker 2: that listen to this podcast and you've called contact me

1219
00:55:24,761 --> 00:55:27,041
Speaker 2: and I look, I thank you for all your support

1220
00:55:27,081 --> 00:55:27,761
Speaker 2: and for being here.

1221
00:55:27,761 --> 00:55:30,201
Speaker 1: But Joel's made some valid points here and.

1222
00:55:30,121 --> 00:55:34,201
Speaker 2: I'm going to put this out Joel, where can people

1223
00:55:34,281 --> 00:55:40,921
Speaker 2: contact you directly and get support? And let's try and

1224
00:55:41,081 --> 00:55:43,241
Speaker 2: let's let let's make a goal. Let's make a goal

1225
00:55:43,321 --> 00:55:47,321
Speaker 2: from this episode and see how many people will actually

1226
00:55:47,361 --> 00:55:51,161
Speaker 2: open an opportunity to give somebody that start to a

1227
00:55:51,161 --> 00:55:53,281
Speaker 2: better life through an employment.

1228
00:55:53,721 --> 00:55:55,481
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, reach out to.

1229
00:55:55,441 --> 00:55:56,841
Speaker 1: Me, but you've got to come through job.

1230
00:55:58,281 --> 00:56:01,401
Speaker 4: Honestly, I'll make this very Even if it's not through me,

1231
00:56:01,921 --> 00:56:03,881
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know, it's more for them, Like

1232
00:56:04,001 --> 00:56:09,041
Speaker 4: if it's through another job agency, if it's through youth

1233
00:56:09,241 --> 00:56:11,761
Speaker 4: justice or a community group, please go to wherever you

1234
00:56:11,801 --> 00:56:12,121
Speaker 4: need to.

1235
00:56:12,361 --> 00:56:14,521
Speaker 3: But just just open the door.

1236
00:56:14,561 --> 00:56:16,281
Speaker 4: If you can do it, just take that step and

1237
00:56:16,361 --> 00:56:19,601
Speaker 4: show that true leadership. I look down the camera that

1238
00:56:19,681 --> 00:56:22,161
Speaker 4: we need at the moment, you stand up and just

1239
00:56:22,241 --> 00:56:24,681
Speaker 4: be the the men and the women that we need

1240
00:56:24,721 --> 00:56:27,561
Speaker 4: in our community and to show the way because we're

1241
00:56:27,561 --> 00:56:31,481
Speaker 4: better than that. It's all about fair going Australia, right,

1242
00:56:31,641 --> 00:56:32,641
Speaker 4: I'd like to you.

1243
00:56:32,561 --> 00:56:38,041
Speaker 1: Know, fair go mate.

1244
00:56:40,001 --> 00:56:43,481
Speaker 2: I think of Foster's in the land with a bloke.

1245
00:56:45,081 --> 00:56:45,441
Speaker 1: Singing.

1246
00:56:46,121 --> 00:56:50,401
Speaker 4: But yeah, even reach out to me obviously, YAKA training.

1247
00:56:51,321 --> 00:56:54,721
Speaker 4: You know it'll be details there you can get. But yeah,

1248
00:56:55,001 --> 00:56:56,721
Speaker 4: I just feel like we can get some.

1249
00:56:56,601 --> 00:56:58,681
Speaker 3: Good momentum going and we need it at the moment.

1250
00:56:58,721 --> 00:57:02,321
Speaker 4: And if it's for just for those ones that that

1251
00:57:02,641 --> 00:57:05,161
Speaker 4: rely on us to really step up, let's step up

1252
00:57:05,201 --> 00:57:08,521
Speaker 4: and do something and make some good positive changes they.

1253
00:57:09,641 --> 00:57:12,361
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely honored each guest.

1254
00:57:12,601 --> 00:57:16,561
Speaker 2: It just it never ceases to amaze me, the feeling

1255
00:57:16,601 --> 00:57:19,641
Speaker 2: I get after every story we're able to bring through the.

1256
00:57:19,641 --> 00:57:22,761
Speaker 1: Clink and Jarl yours is no different Mane. If anything,

1257
00:57:22,961 --> 00:57:24,921
Speaker 1: I'm more and.

1258
00:57:24,961 --> 00:57:29,481
Speaker 2: More of a fanboy, I suppose, And you know, truly

1259
00:57:29,561 --> 00:57:32,881
Speaker 2: you have been someone that I've really respected for a

1260
00:57:32,921 --> 00:57:35,001
Speaker 2: long time and you know it's an honor for me

1261
00:57:35,041 --> 00:57:37,921
Speaker 2: to be able to sit down with you as men,

1262
00:57:38,321 --> 00:57:41,681
Speaker 2: having this space and holding this right now in hope

1263
00:57:41,681 --> 00:57:44,161
Speaker 2: that we can make a change and give some tools

1264
00:57:44,361 --> 00:57:47,001
Speaker 2: to you out there, the listeners. That makes a difference

1265
00:57:47,001 --> 00:57:48,681
Speaker 2: in your life, and I just want to say thank

1266
00:57:48,721 --> 00:57:51,401
Speaker 2: you for making the time to come in today. Thank

1267
00:57:51,441 --> 00:57:54,201
Speaker 2: you for opening up and being very vulnerable and sharing.

1268
00:57:54,521 --> 00:57:57,201
Speaker 2: I think that right there for someone like yourself is huge.

1269
00:57:57,401 --> 00:58:00,561
Speaker 2: And Mate, nothing but love and respect for your brother

1270
00:58:00,641 --> 00:58:04,361
Speaker 2: and I. Look, we will continue our relationship and friendship.

1271
00:58:04,401 --> 00:58:08,281
Speaker 2: That's that's Sun said. But if we can, in any way,

1272
00:58:08,281 --> 00:58:11,641
Speaker 2: shape or form help you or your children or somebody

1273
00:58:11,681 --> 00:58:14,441
Speaker 2: you may know who is struggling, please reach out to

1274
00:58:14,441 --> 00:58:17,321
Speaker 2: me at The Clink on Instagram, the Clink Podcast twenty

1275
00:58:17,681 --> 00:58:21,721
Speaker 2: or Joel Joel Thompson, isn't it Yeah, it's it's your name,

1276
00:58:21,801 --> 00:58:22,161
Speaker 2: isn't it?

1277
00:58:22,761 --> 00:58:25,681
Speaker 1: And the Yaka training Yaker.

1278
00:58:25,401 --> 00:58:30,041
Speaker 2: Training that's in Instagram as well, or just hey, simply

1279
00:58:30,121 --> 00:58:33,561
Speaker 2: just see us on the street, have that yarn. But

1280
00:58:33,681 --> 00:58:36,321
Speaker 2: to everyone out there, thank you very much, Joel, thank you,

1281
00:58:36,401 --> 00:58:40,441
Speaker 2: thanks for having Mate. Honestly a fantastic moment for me. Thanks,

1282
00:58:41,481 --> 00:58:45,081
Speaker 2: thank you everybody out there for tuning in another fantastic

1283
00:58:45,121 --> 00:58:48,281
Speaker 2: episode here in season sixteen of The Clink. Remember to

1284
00:58:48,361 --> 00:58:51,801
Speaker 2: jump across all the socials and do share and hey

1285
00:58:52,481 --> 00:58:53,321
Speaker 2: constructive or not.

1286
00:58:55,481 --> 00:58:58,441
Speaker 7: The book, thank you for the record, trug World and

1287
00:58:58,481 --> 00:59:02,081
Speaker 7: stuff for your photo record lab on me going hard

1288
00:59:02,081 --> 00:59:04,001
Speaker 7: away wait for the record.

1289
00:59:04,201 --> 00:59:05,761
Speaker 1: Ain't trying link not trying to wait.

1290
00:59:06,681 --> 00:59:11,681
Speaker 7: For the record, for the record. Yeah for the for

1291
00:59:11,801 --> 00:59:16,561
Speaker 7: the record, for the right, Yeah for the record, for

1292
00:59:16,681 --> 00:59:17,201
Speaker 7: the record.

1293
00:59:20,841 --> 00:59:22,041
Speaker 4: Mm hmm