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Speaker 1: the bio and I'll see you inside. Scott Young, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to straight Talk.

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Speaker 2: Mate, Mark awesome to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the opportunity, little candidate for ben Long.

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Speaker 1: So mate, you've got it. You're up against it. The

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Speaker 1: odds are probably in favor of the current labor sitting member.

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Speaker 1: You've got the media against you. Unfortunately. You know it

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Speaker 1: is sort of rating Alban Easy much better in terms

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Speaker 1: of his performance as relative too. He's counterpart. That's done.

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Speaker 1: It feels like to me like everything's against you in Benolong.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel?

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Speaker 2: Look, it's not easy. Every day I count my blessings

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Speaker 2: as well, and the gratitude to be you know, the

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Speaker 2: Liberal Parties candidate in Ben Along. In saying that, I

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Speaker 2: mean it's you know, it's I certainly enjoy being the

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Speaker 2: underdog as well. You know, when you're not the local

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Speaker 2: member and when you're the candidate, you don't have as

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Speaker 2: many resources as them. You don't have the office, you

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Speaker 2: don't have you know, all the staff that they're that

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Speaker 2: they have as well. But can I just say it's

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Speaker 2: an honor getting out there. We have a great group

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Speaker 2: of volunteers that believe in not only Liberal Party values,

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Speaker 2: but I think values such as equal opportunity and long

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Speaker 2: term prosperity for Australia. And we've mobilized a lot of

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Speaker 2: people that I think weren't interested in politics before that

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Speaker 2: are now and see the genuine opportunity to make a difference.

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Speaker 1: So we'll just explain to me where Benlong is. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: just explain the sea to Ben Along. So let's give

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Speaker 1: me the northern position access. You know, where it covers,

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Speaker 1: what it covers it off, I know it covers right,

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Speaker 1: but it also covers you know, traditionally Hunter's Hill, which

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Speaker 1: is John Howard's seat. Where does Ben Along covered today?

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Speaker 2: With all the new boundaries well, ben Along Mark starts

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Speaker 2: at the very top around Macquarie Park and Eastwood. It

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Speaker 2: goes through Ride North Ryde, West Ryde down through Putney

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Speaker 2: in Gladesville and then now it extends to after the

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Speaker 2: redistribution last year through to Hunter's Hill, Woolwich Lane Cove,

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Speaker 2: Greenwich Riverview and Chatswood West Saint Leonard's being some of

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Speaker 2: those suburbs as part of ben Along now right, And.

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Speaker 1: So if I could just go back a little bit,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of time, because you don't need to

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Speaker 1: go back too far with you because you're only thirty

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Speaker 1: I think thirty two. You're the same age Jimmy, So

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Speaker 1: you're a young fella, so you don't have that many

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Speaker 1: years to go back on. But Young's obviously Chinese surname.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: So what's the deal with your parents where they come from? Mark?

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Speaker 2: Dad's from Hong Kong, mum's from Shanghai. Dad came here

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Speaker 2: in the seventies. I think he started school, he in

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Speaker 2: and mum came he in the late eighties, leaving China.

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Speaker 2: And they're both very grateful that Australia has given so

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Speaker 2: much to them. Growing up, they worked really, really hard.

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Speaker 2: So my first home was in public housing, in one

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Speaker 2: of those tall gray public tenements in Waterloo. And look,

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Speaker 2: I just saw them working really hard, going to Patty's

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Speaker 2: setting up a stand there and selling children's education books.

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Speaker 2: So always witnessed them working extremely hard, just like your

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Speaker 2: just like your father Mark. And I saw them build

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Speaker 2: business as well. That's still running by my older brother

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Speaker 2: in her Ful today.

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Speaker 1: So your dad being from Hong Kong and your mum

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Speaker 1: being from Shanghai, does that mean you speak both Mandarin

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Speaker 1: and Cantonese.

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Speaker 2: Look, in the beginning, I only spoke Shanghais and Cantonese,

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Speaker 2: So I speak Mandarin, Cantonese and Shanghaie's that's.

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Speaker 1: All you speak. The three Chinese, let's call them dialects.

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Speaker 1: And because Cantonese is the what they speak in Hong Kong,

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Speaker 1: Shanghai is where they speak in Shanghai, and Mandarin is

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Speaker 1: the broader Chinese China, China has brought it national language Mandarin, Yes, basically.

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Speaker 1: And so you and your parents, so you lived in

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Speaker 1: one of those housing commission what we called howsos when

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Speaker 1: at the market selling books, education books, children much like that.

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Speaker 1: Why did they pick education? Is that what your dad

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, Dad, I think knew a guy called Jim

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Speaker 2: Coronius who was actually a great I think publisher of

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Speaker 2: done some of their work books. I think he was

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Speaker 2: an incredible, incredible hard worker as well. So I think

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Speaker 2: he took Dad under his wing a little bit, and Dad,

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Speaker 2: before you know what, he was sort of getting my

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Speaker 2: dad to distribute a lot of those books. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: my dad thought maybe to be a decent idea to

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Speaker 2: go to Patty's Market Flemington to start selling those books.

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Speaker 2: And even when we had the bookshop set up, I

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Speaker 2: think it was in multiple locations, it moved around a lot.

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Speaker 2: That's why as a young child, I think we moved

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Speaker 2: around eleven times. But the book shop started in the

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Speaker 2: La Kember and.

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Speaker 1: I'm stumbling around something whereabout the legam but near the station.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember? You probably do young with.

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Speaker 2: I was I wasn't born yet, wasn't I wasn't born yet.

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Speaker 2: And then it moved around Mark to Kingsgrove, to Bardwell

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Speaker 2: Park and eventually to Hearst Fall. But dad and Mum

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Speaker 2: works hard, so she would be manning the book shop

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Speaker 2: throughout the throughout the weekday and then Dad will be

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Speaker 2: driving around to as far as Orange to driving a

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Speaker 2: to kids at lunch. So he'd be driving sometimes three

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Speaker 2: hours there and three hours back just for that one

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Speaker 2: hour window during lunch to sell books to children. But

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Speaker 2: I think that's how it started.

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Speaker 1: As in Elinka, traveling salesman so to speak. Absolutely, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: And you've got to get to the places who are

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Speaker 1: going to buy the books. That just means you've got

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Speaker 1: to have the books in the back of your truck

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Speaker 1: and you've got to go to those places. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: pretty much have to. You know what you don't need

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Speaker 1: if you don't sell.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's right. I remember going to the markets with

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Speaker 2: my mom and dad. I think as a six seven,

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Speaker 2: much did we make at the end of the day

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Speaker 2: on a Sunday at Patty's Market, Flemington, and then like,

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Speaker 2: if it was three hundred bucks, it was a pretty

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Speaker 2: bad day. But if they say six hundred, it was

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Speaker 2: always good and we'd go out for a family meal

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Speaker 2: at a restaurant afterwards.

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Speaker 1: So how many eager brothers this.

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Speaker 2: Is I've got. I'm the middle child. I've got an

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Speaker 2: older brother and a younger brother who three boys. Three

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Speaker 2: boys gave mum a lot of havoc.

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Speaker 1: So I imagine, so that you went to school, where

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Speaker 1: did you go to school?

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Speaker 2: I went to school at Sydney Boys High School.

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Speaker 1: That's high school. About primary school.

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Speaker 2: I went to Kingsgrove Primary Public School, Bexley North Public

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Speaker 2: School and then eventually Herschel Public School, So changed schools

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Speaker 2: around a lot. I used to feel really nervous changing

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Speaker 2: school every time, but I think looking back, I think,

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Speaker 2: with the benefit of hindsight, it allowed me to build

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Speaker 2: our next generation.

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Speaker 1: As well, so you've got to you're born here, you've

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Speaker 1: got a full loss the accent, you're educated here, did

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Speaker 1: you were you when you're a little kid, Especially in

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Speaker 1: primer school, we used sort of socially where that you

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Speaker 1: were different to the other kids. In other words, was

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Speaker 1: in much of a cowater Chinese kids, children from Chinese

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Speaker 2: At, yeah, fifty to fifty mark, Like I think at

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Speaker 2: Sydney Boys High it was a selective public school, so

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Speaker 2: certainly there was a lot of Asian background kids that

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Speaker 2: were there alongside me. But when I first started off

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Speaker 2: school in Kingsgrove Public School in Bexley North, it was

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Speaker 2: overall very very multicultural, had friends from all backgrounds. At

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, you just think you're an

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Speaker 2: aussy like everyone else. But then you start hitting recess

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Speaker 2: and lunch, and when they're taking out their sandwiches, you're

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Speaker 2: pulling out all the sort of Chinese food, the rice

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Speaker 2: you know, with their hands, and you're thinking, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: a little bit it's a little bit weird. It's a

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Speaker 2: little bit awkward, and you do want to conform as

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Speaker 2: any young person might. So I started bringing the tele

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Speaker 2: sandwiches every day to school.

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Speaker 1: And the views that Mum made me in the Tilla sandwiches.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I just felt really felt really awkward to be

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Speaker 2: Mum certainly helped with that, took on the feedback. She

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Speaker 2: didn't listen to me much when I was young, but

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Speaker 2: very grateful in the end.

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Speaker 1: Probably what was happening. And then Scott was ill, probably

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Speaker 1: thinking of themselves. My god, I wouldn't mind having to

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Speaker 1: turned out them. They tell us sandwiches they're probably I

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Speaker 1: don't know. From my point, I'd rather be what you

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Speaker 1: were eating, because I had the same sort of thing

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Speaker 1: could be anything. It could be from egg plant to

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Speaker 1: all sorts of things. But I my friends at my

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Speaker 1: school because I went to a school like Kember, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of friends at my school, actually wanted something,

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Speaker 1: wanted something what I was in and because I actually

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Speaker 1: found it was a bit weird, I thought, why do

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Speaker 1: you want? Why do you want that? But I was

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Speaker 1: always happy to share it. It's a funny thing when

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Speaker 1: you're growing up in environments where not everybody is the same,

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Speaker 1: but young kids want to be the same. You just

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Speaker 1: want to be the same. So what did you do,

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Speaker 1: like apart from getting in a tele sandwiches, did you

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Speaker 1: start to feel as though that you conformed with things

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Speaker 1: like sport? Did you start to get really interested in, say,

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Speaker 2: What did you do well? Mark? I know you're a

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Speaker 2: big Roosters fan, and I remember coming up to your

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Speaker 2: Sydney UNI as a young eighteen year old and I said, Mark,

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Speaker 2: I know you're a Brewsters fan, but I'm a Dragons fan.

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Speaker 2: But I'm still a big fan of you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dragons fan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Saint George, big, big Saint George supporter, Red visa

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Speaker 2: part of me. But look, as a young kid, I

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Speaker 2: Look absolutely Mark, Like, I think the family business turned

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Speaker 1: It's interesting that you know there's a perception I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look what I see in my mum. For example,

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Speaker 1: But do you think I want to go with my mates? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It seems like your mum, without sort of trying to

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Speaker 1: And do you think you're a politician now, but do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. Mark, I'm very passionate about education

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a relative impact relative to those people

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Speaker 1: a communist country, and there are a lot of migrants

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Speaker 1: in this country in fact, and you're electorate who have

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Speaker 1: left that country to come here in order to have

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Speaker 1: a better chance at improving their lot. They don't want

436
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Speaker 1: to be the same. They want the opportunity or they

437
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Speaker 1: want opportunities from Australia, from the Australian government, from the

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Speaker 1: Australian system to make us them have a better life

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Speaker 1: relative to what they would have had back in China

440
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Speaker 1: for example. I'm not peaking on China particular, but just

441
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Speaker 1: for example, how important is that to you and your

442
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Speaker 1: electric how important.

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Speaker 2: Is that to the people in your electric well. I

444
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Speaker 2: think the people in Benlong are aspirational. They want to

445
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Speaker 2: be able to achieve their goals if they work hard,

446
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Speaker 2: whether it's putting their children through a quality education, being

447
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Speaker 2: able to start their own business. And for a lot

448
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Speaker 2: of young Australians, they want to know that what I'm

449
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Speaker 2: starting now can lead to more job opportunities. And if

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Speaker 2: they're in university, for example, they're working hard at a cafe,

451
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Speaker 2: they know that they can save up to buy home.

452
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Speaker 2: So I think, you know, everyone should have the equal

453
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Speaker 2: opportunity to get ahead, but I think reward for effort

454
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Speaker 2: is also equally as important, because if you work hard,

455
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Speaker 2: you deserve to get ahead. That's very, very important and

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Speaker 2: I think also as well, when we look at it

457
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Speaker 2: look Australia more broadly, I think it's you know, and

458
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Speaker 2: you're very big on personal development, mark and health and

459
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Speaker 2: all round of that. But I think for every for

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Speaker 2: every Australian person, they should be able to reach their potential.

461
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Speaker 2: And I think you can only reach your potential if

462
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Speaker 2: you're able to be in an environment where you work

463
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Speaker 2: you can grow. It's not about being at home and bludging. Surely.

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Speaker 2: Of course, there are a lot of Australians out there

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Speaker 2: who can't help themselves, and we need to help them.

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Speaker 2: But if you have the opportunity to grow, get out there,

467
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Speaker 2: work hard, you know, take work experience if you can't

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Speaker 2: get paid. And I think that is so important.

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Speaker 1: And you see you did the high school study it

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Speaker 1: you went off to university.

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Speaker 2: But you said you I went to UNSW. So that's

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Speaker 2: when I first met you, Mark at the quad at

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Speaker 2: UNSW and I came up to be in the quadrangle

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Speaker 2: the quadrangle, Yes, so I came up to your Mark.

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Speaker 2: I knew you from what was I doing there?

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Speaker 1: It was I doing a talk out there was something

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Speaker 1: do you remember.

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Speaker 2: I think you're an adjunct professor aw Mark, But was

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Speaker 2: I speaking?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear me speak or something?

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Speaker 2: I didn't hear you speak. I just saw you from Afar.

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Speaker 2: I was about fifteen meters away. I was coming out

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Speaker 2: of the Quadrangle Cafe and by then I was already

484
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Speaker 2: a massive fan of you and a bit of a

485
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Speaker 2: man crush kind of thing. And I remember watching a

486
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Speaker 2: video on you, Mark. It was on YouTube, and you

487
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Speaker 2: were giving a seminar in that video, and you were

488
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Speaker 2: talking about confidence building as a young eighteen nineteen year old,

489
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Speaker 2: where your confidence often fluctuates. You talked about building confidence

490
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Speaker 2: by having the right intentions for other people. So when

491
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Speaker 2: you think of someone or others beyond yourself, that's when

492
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Speaker 2: your confidence grows, as well as having that righteous intention.

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Speaker 2: It was one of your videos, Mark, so came up

494
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Speaker 2: to you and I said, Mark, Mark, you know, would

495
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Speaker 2: I be able to work for you? And you actually

496
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Speaker 2: gave me advice that you said, Scott, I think it's

497
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Speaker 2: better that you actually go work at a big four bank.

498
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Speaker 2: You'd learn more. And I said, Mark, you know, thank

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Speaker 2: you for your advice, but one day I'd still love

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Speaker 2: to come back and work for you. You know, I

501
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Speaker 2: really love the fact that you know, you're someone who

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Speaker 2: has come from punch bowl, works so hard, built Wizard Home,

503
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Speaker 2: loans to and you know, and you sold it for

504
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Speaker 2: so much. But it's a testament to your hard work.

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Speaker 2: And I think so many people out there appreciate your

506
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Speaker 2: story of hard work and humility as well. And so

507
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Speaker 2: I took your advice went to work at Westpac Bondai

508
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Speaker 2: Beach as a teller. I was terrible at balancing. That

509
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Speaker 2: probably makes me look bad, like I'm bad with money,

510
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Speaker 2: but I was there for six months and it was

511
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Speaker 2: actually then I joined the Liberal Party and I met

512
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Speaker 2: a candidate called David Coleman, who was on the board

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Speaker 2: of Yellow Brick Road Correct And after dawknocking about, you know,

514
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Speaker 2: two thousand homes, I wasn't counting, I said to David,

515
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Speaker 2: you know, do you know Mark Burris Is. Oh yes,

516
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Speaker 2: I do, he said, And I said, can you get

517
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Speaker 2: me a job at Yellow Brick Road And so he

518
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Speaker 2: called your then CEO up and Matt Lawler, I think,

519
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Speaker 2: and I think I was placed in a team. And

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Speaker 2: on my first and second day I was tasked to staple,

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Speaker 2: to file and to scan. I told her all my friends,

522
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Speaker 2: I got the job at Yellow brick road, I said.

523
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Speaker 2: And then but on the third day, I remember my

524
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Speaker 2: manager telling me that there wasn't a role for me.

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Speaker 2: And I just said to my manager, well, you know what,

526
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Speaker 2: I'd work for free, or just work for free nine

527
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Speaker 2: to five. Count me in. And then they took me

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Speaker 2: on board doing that, and I was grateful for the

529
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Speaker 2: work experience, and before you know it, I was I

530
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Speaker 2: wanted to be the world's fastest stapler, filer and scanner

531
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Speaker 2: for the next eight weeks and it was so nice.

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Speaker 2: You know, my manager came up to me afterwards and says, hey, look,

533
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Speaker 2: we're actually going to pay you for all the work

534
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Speaker 2: that you've done and we're going to have you on board.

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Speaker 2: And from there I was so grateful. I am so

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Speaker 2: grateful to have worked at yellopper Crode for three years

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Speaker 2: and ten months.

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Speaker 1: It was one of the word for Morello. Did you

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Speaker 1: work for Andrew? Andrew was there at the time.

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Speaker 2: Morello is a great guy.

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Speaker 1: Was he there at the time?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, he was your head of business development.

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Speaker 1: So we around two thousand and nine or something like

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Speaker 1: this is the period we're talking about. Third he was

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Speaker 1: there for ten years. So he started in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and nine, I was just trying to remember that the periods.

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Speaker 1: And David Coleman, of course is the Member for Banks,

548
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Speaker 1: Member for Banks. Yeah, the current Member for Banks actually

549
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Speaker 1: got a very slim margin to David, very very slim margin.

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Speaker 1: The great he's a shot of minutes foreign affairs, a

551
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: great politician, like so dedicated. He gave way private enterprise

552
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Speaker 1: working private enterprise, and he was a big atriever, like

553
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Speaker 1: a very big achievement. He was at chanl right for

554
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Speaker 1: a long long time and he's just dedicated his life

555
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Speaker 1: to looking after his constituency, constituency out of the Banks

556
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Speaker 1: area completely. And there must have been a fair bit

557
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Speaker 1: of inspiration or motivation you got from David.

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Speaker 2: And I still do. Mark. I think he's someone who's

559
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: so hard working. A piece of advice he gave me

560
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Speaker 2: when I was a nineteen year old door looking for

561
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Speaker 2: him is he said, Scott, I don't know anyone who's

562
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Speaker 2: successful that doesn't do a good job one hundred percent

563
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Speaker 2: of the time. So I always try to do a

564
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Speaker 2: good job on hundred percent of the time. And in fact,

565
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: an incident happened when I was volunteering for him. He

566
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Speaker 2: asked me to go do something and it was meant

567
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Speaker 2: to only take ten minutes, but I took twenty and

568
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Speaker 2: then he said to me, you know, you've got to

569
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Speaker 2: be efficient. So I think being efficient not only just

570
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: working hard, being efficient being focused getting outcomes rather than

571
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Speaker 2: just putting in the time is extremely important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I forgot about David Common, And I

573
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Speaker 1: shouldn't say that because I'm a great I'm a huge

574
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Speaker 1: fan of David Common, by the way, And so you've

575
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: had some experience with David Comman as well, like you

576
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: know what the hard age of politics can look like.

577
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Speaker 1: In like expertial, you're trying to get re elected or

578
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: in your case, you're trying to get elected, but trying

579
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Speaker 1: to get reelected. And it's sort of down to basics.

580
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: To me, from what I can see, it is about

581
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: door knocking. I've been watching your campaign. It's about being

582
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: everywhere as much as possibly cannas as long hours. People

583
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: want to see you. They expect who is Scott Young

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the reason I've got you on

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Speaker 1: the show, because people know who's Gott Young is. You know,

586
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: you walk around and shaken hands with people. But the

587
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: idea of this show is to be able to show

588
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Speaker 1: people who individuals are who come on the show, and

589
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: people would like they want to know your backstory, but

590
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: you don't get a chance to do that when you're

591
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: on the Huskings trying to say we'll vote liberal, or

592
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: this is what I stand for, or hello, what's your business?

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00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: You know I'm from your local area. It's hard for

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00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: you to spend any time with anybody. Do you think

595
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: politics is I don't want to use the word shallow,

596
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit ephemeral in that you never

597
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: really get an opportunity to convince someone why they should

598
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: warm to you, as opposed to just being polite and

599
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: well manted and shaking the hand and being prepared to

600
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: do the work. They never really know whether or not

601
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: what Scott Young's values are. And our values come from

602
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: how we grow up, our mom and dad, the school,

603
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: we went to, the university, we went to the influencers

604
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Speaker 1: we had in our life, and off the back of that,

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Speaker 1: you know, you get ten or so values about life.

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Speaker 1: And you've talked about you know, people having opportunity, you're

607
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: talking about education, you're talking about hard work, their values,

608
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Speaker 1: and for some reason in this election, we haven't heard

609
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: about that. You know, I know that. You know, the

610
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Speaker 1: TV stations haven't been getting Scott up there to talk,

611
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Speaker 1: but the TV stations have been getting up done and

612
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: they've been getting up Albanize. They have been getting up

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Speaker 1: banned from time to time. And you know others, you know,

614
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: you know, Angus Taylor's been up there, et cetera, as

615
00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: has a Jim and Jim Charmers. But we've never I

616
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: don't think we at any one stage I've heard in

617
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: a broadcast sense apart from this show, I think, but

618
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Speaker 1: in a broadcast sense, people talk about where their values are.

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Speaker 1: Where do values sit for you? And what do you

620
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: what are your values? What are some of your values

621
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Speaker 1: at least relative to what voters might be looking for?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, mark, I mean, just before we

623
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Speaker 2: talk about values, if it's okay. I think politics and Australia,

624
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: in fact, I think the overall climate can improve. I

625
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: think there are so many as an aspiring representative. I

626
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: think in our in our current atmosphere and culture, there's

627
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Speaker 2: there is negativity. The media is constantly watching what you're

628
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Speaker 2: saying and what you're doing, and they could they could

629
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Speaker 2: turn into something that's that's that's quite negative. In fact,

630
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Speaker 2: but at the same time, and.

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Speaker 1: You don't get a chance to defeat it either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean there's there's you know, I mean

633
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Speaker 2: that the media is so big, that's why they do

634
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Speaker 2: play such an important role in our democracy. And in

635
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: saying that, I mean that most for most part, I

636
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: think politics is positive. You meet the best people in

637
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: the community. But you know, I've just come from early

638
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: voting and I've got some people and some of my

639
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: opponents they're volunteers just filming me, and it's almost like

640
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: you can't you can't completely share everything. So that's what

641
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: I want to bring to politics, to be able to

642
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: just be myself put my ideas out there, which is

643
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: so so important.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying, like some honesty and openness, some.

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Speaker 2: Honesty and some openness, and to embrace someone for who

646
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Speaker 2: they are. Everyone's got their strengths, everyone's got their weaknesses

647
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Speaker 2: and flaws, but you know, this is who I am

648
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Speaker 2: as a person. And I think going back to values,

649
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Speaker 2: I think what my father showed me was the importance

650
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Speaker 2: of hard work and grit and resilience. And I think

651
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Speaker 2: for mum as well, she taught me the importance of

652
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Speaker 2: a compassion, integrity, and also empathy to always be able

653
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Speaker 2: to put myself in their shoes, and as a Buddhist

654
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Speaker 2: as well, you know, one of our sort of core

655
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Speaker 2: principles is that there is suffering for everyone, no matter

656
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Speaker 2: who you are. So it's important to just be able

657
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Speaker 2: to empathize where their positions are. And they're largely values

658
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Speaker 2: that shape I think how I dictate my life, and

659
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Speaker 2: I often ask I get asked about a lot of

660
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Speaker 2: questions as well, and sometimes if I can't make up

661
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Speaker 2: my mind about something, I go back to those values,

662
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Speaker 2: and I think taking a middle ground is also a

663
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: very very good approach.

664
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Speaker 1: So, so like, what is it like that when you're

665
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Speaker 1: on on the on the road, so you know, you're

666
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Speaker 1: walking through somewhere in your electorate, and someone walks up

667
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Speaker 1: to you and says, look, I'm a burrhus I live

668
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Speaker 1: in West Ryde. I live and ride. I live in

669
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Speaker 1: West chats Chatswood, West chest Chatswood West just West is

670
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Speaker 1: part of Electric and I'm a small business owner. What

671
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Speaker 1: are the sort of questions they ask you? What are

672
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Speaker 1: they what are they looking for? They just want to

673
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Speaker 1: say hello.

674
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Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the first things I asked

675
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Speaker 2: the mark is you know what's what's important to you,

676
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Speaker 2: and I do share with them. I'm a small fish

677
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: in a big pond. I might not be able to

678
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: get everything done, but you know what can I best

679
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 2: advocate for you on? And you know, for many people

680
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: that don't have any challenges, they're happy. But for a

681
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: lot of people they are also going through. You know,

682
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: for example, thirty thousand small businesses have closed over the

683
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: past three years in your electric or across the country.

684
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: Across the country. But when you walk around West Ryde

685
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: and you walk around certain suburbs, you see businesses closing

686
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: down as well. You see the full lease signs popping

687
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: up for new tenants that they're looking for. So I

688
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: think the main thing is to listen and also just

689
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: show empathy. People also understand, and I think people do

690
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Speaker 2: that one person can't change everything, but they appreciate your listening.

691
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 2: They know that you know you will work your hard

692
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Speaker 2: hardest to be able to advocate to what's important to them.

693
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Speaker 1: So what are some of the things that they are

694
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Speaker 1: That's what are some of them just happy to say

695
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Speaker 1: all I own as you say, they're doing it k

696
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: And they're either rustle on liberals or rustle on labor

697
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. You may not change

698
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Speaker 1: their position, But what are some of the other individuals

699
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: saying in your electric leg that, let's say, small business owners,

700
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Speaker 1: what are they sort of indicating to you they frustrated

701
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: with regulatory environments, They're frustrated with the council, They're frustrated

702
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: with interest rates. What are they what's bothering them? What's

703
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: bugging them?

704
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Speaker 2: Small business owners are doing a tough mark.

705
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Speaker 1: You know.

706
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Speaker 2: First of all they're spending is the amount of spending

707
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: they see from their customers is down. Coffee sales have dropped,

708
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: so revenues are down. Revenues are down. And on top

709
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: of that, so many people that want to start their

710
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: own businesses have to go have to wait a long

711
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: time to go through approvals, councils and bodies. And by

712
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: the time they open up, their least free period if

713
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: they're lucky, which is three to six months, is already over.

714
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Speaker 1: So part of the period of the least where they're

715
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: not paying any rent, that's right where they were trying

716
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: to keep have no expenses, which is a period where

717
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Speaker 1: you want to make get a bit of revenue if

718
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Speaker 1: you can. Because that sort of goes straight into the

719
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Speaker 1: bank account. But during that period they spend most of

720
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Speaker 1: the time just getting through the hoops that's regulatory hoops.

721
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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, So it's not easy for these people. And

722
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Speaker 2: on top of that, a lot of them share with

723
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Speaker 2: me the challenges around hiring, training and retaining. It takes

724
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Speaker 2: time to train up a barrister, it takes time to

725
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: train up a reception and before you know it, after

726
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 2: six months that all the effort and time that they've

727
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: put in that employee has left now, so it STAPs

728
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: productivity out of the business. I mean, I think so

729
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: many Australians right now are talking about the cost of

730
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Speaker 2: living crisis, and so many people are talking about having

731
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Speaker 2: less money to spend. I think as a country, we

732
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Speaker 2: also want to focus on how we can become more productive,

733
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Speaker 2: how we can make the most of each individual for

734
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Speaker 2: them to reach their potential, but to also produce more output.

735
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Speaker 2: And I think small businesses, which is a big creator

736
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Speaker 2: of jobs in our country, can do more to also

737
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: see that small business that are empowered so they can hire,

738
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Speaker 2: train and retain their staff.

739
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Speaker 1: It's funny we keep talking about the cost of living

740
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Speaker 1: in Australia, which is extraordinarily high relative to it was,

741
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: say three or four years ago. But we think we've

742
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: never seen a talk about the cost of running a business,

743
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Speaker 1: which is also extraordinarily high. If we look at the

744
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: cost of running business today relative to the cost of

745
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: business running a business three years ago, it's through the roof,

746
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: like it's just through the roof, but the amount of

747
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: revenue they're receiving has not gone through the roof, so

748
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, revenue is down. Cost of running the businesses

749
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Speaker 1: up now. I know it's a it's not quite as

750
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: cute a word as or a phrases cost of living.

751
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: The sort of rolls off the tongue as easy for

752
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: the newspapers to write about it. We never seem to

753
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: see anyone talk about the cost of running a business.

754
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: Rent staff, staff turnover, staff, education, staff retention, super cost

755
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: of goods coming into the business, marketing costs, cost of websites,

756
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: all the other stuff you've got to pay for it.

757
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: There's licenses, good law. You're paying licenses everywhere, like you know,

758
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: Microsoft licens licenses for your website, with licenses for your apps.

759
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: There's licenses everywhere. Why is it that Australian the Australian narrative.

760
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: Does it do you think does not talk about the

761
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: cost of running business?

762
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Speaker 2: What is that? Look Mark, I don't know, and I

763
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: think Australia can have more potential.

764
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Speaker 1: I think we should have more conversations about this.

765
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Speaker 2: I think we should have more conversations about this because

766
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: small business owners aren't just doing it for themselves. In fact,

767
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: they create jobs for people who live locally or not

768
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: to take those to take on those roles. They stimulate competition,

769
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: which is extremely important. That's why I love what you

770
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: do Mark with yellow brick Rode, creating competition for people

771
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: to seek out the best line, not just directly go

772
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: to the banks, but going back to small business. I

773
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: think we need to have more conversation around it. We

774
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: need to be more ambitious in making Australia the small

775
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: business capital of the world. How do we have more

776
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: incentives for people to start businesses and how do we

777
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Speaker 2: have more incentives for small businesses to also grow once

778
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: they hit certain milestones.

779
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Speaker 1: For example, Well, so your leader Dunton has recently announced

780
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Speaker 1: the instant right off being a thirty thousand dollars if

781
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Speaker 1: Liberal get elected or the Couldition gets elected. I noticed

782
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: in the last budget that the Albaniezer government actually got

783
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: rid of the instant right off, which they then but

784
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: they since then have reintroduced it because obviously it was

785
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: very unpopular. But apart from you know, allowing someone to

786
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: be able to write off thirty thousand dollars or fifteen

787
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars or whatever, whichever party you're going for, you know,

788
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: for buying an item, you have to buy that item

789
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: in the first place. You have to have the money

790
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: to buy the item in the first place. So it's

791
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: one thing to have the money. It's one thing to

792
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: get the tax siduction, but it's another thing to have

793
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: the money in the first place. It's not that easy,

794
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: that's right. What other things could governments be doing for

795
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: small business owners to encourage them to start up a

796
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: new business, encourage them to keep staying the business instead

797
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: of you know, vacating the business, leaving some vacant premises,

798
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: losing all their staff, losing all their customers. What of

799
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: the things do you think get and what sort of

800
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: stuff gets discussed with the Liberal Party and the coalition

801
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: and relation to helping small business owners.

802
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: Well personally, Mark, I think one of the biggest challenges

803
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: with small businesses is cash flow, and I think cash

804
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: flow is very very important. So I think for a

805
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: lot of small businesses they often see delays and payments

806
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: being made from big businesses. So we want to ensure

807
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 2: that you know, if you're a big business, perhaps there

808
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: is a length of time for you to pay your

809
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Speaker 2: bills to also pay the small business as well.

810
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Speaker 1: We should tease that a little bit, Scott, because what

811
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Speaker 1: you're saying here is that a small business has to

812
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Speaker 1: pay his staff member, say every week wherever fortnite, you

813
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: have to pay your rent yep once a month. But

814
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: let's say you're selling something to a big business. You're

815
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: a small business. You're providing a service, you're selling a

816
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: product a big business. A lot of times the big

817
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: businesses are so big then they say, yeah, our payment

818
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: terms will pay you in ninety days. So you have

819
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: a gap. You're paying your costs either weekly or fortnightly

820
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: or monthly, yet your revenue that you've produced a product

821
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: or service for is not coming in for maybe ninety days,

822
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Speaker 1: sometimes undred and twenty days. So therefore there's a cash

823
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: flow mismatch for those business owners. What would the government

824
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: sort of talk about would your government if you guys

825
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: got elected as a government, would you be considering sort

826
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Speaker 1: of pushing big businesses to change their payment structures and

827
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Speaker 1: their payment terms.

828
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Speaker 2: Well, Mark, I think our party, the Liberal Party, is

829
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Speaker 2: the party for small business with a party for a

830
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Speaker 2: reward for hard work and also aspiration. So in saying that,

831
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Speaker 2: I mean my person small views are that we should

832
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Speaker 2: review it because, like you said, whether it's ninety days

833
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: or one hundred and twenty days, that places a lot

834
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Speaker 2: of strain on small business owners and during tough times,

835
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: they have to put in their own cash, they have

836
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: to leverage off their mortgage, they have to take out

837
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: loans just to make ends meet, to make sure that

838
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: they can keep running their business. So this is something

839
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Speaker 2: old personally definitely advocate for.

840
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Speaker 1: You were prosecuted, and because that's really interesting too, because

841
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: you made a point that most of these small business

842
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: owners actually going to borrow money against the home or

843
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: gun borrow get an overdraft. The problem is at the

844
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: moment we've got extraordinarily high interest rates, like really high

845
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: interest rates, and we've had them for a long time.

846
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Speaker 1: And that's like, if most people think our small businesss

847
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: are they doing well, well, most of them just make

848
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: it living. They do it because they love it. You know,

849
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: they're not They're not all multimillionaires.

850
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: And they work seven days a week.

851
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: They're all the time. They don't take holidays. They're the

852
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: last person to get paid in the business. I mean

853
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: they pay everyone else. They're the last person to take

854
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: an in money. They usually don't take regular money. They

855
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: take it in lumpy amounts when it comes in, but

856
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: they don't take regular amounts, So therefore they're having regular

857
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: stress when there's no money coming in. You come from

858
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: a family which was selling books and education tools, and

859
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: if the money wasn't coming in, you would probably know

860
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: about it in the family. You just talked about three

861
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: hundred day verse six hundred on a Sunday. That makes

862
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: it a huge difference to your family. How the harmony

863
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: in the family is only on one Sunday night you

864
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: might be going home having some eggs on toast. On

865
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: the other Sunday night, you might be going out to

866
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: a nice Chinese restaurant with your brothers, your two brothers.

867
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: But that's stressful, and I'm glad you're raising this sort

868
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,959
Speaker 1: of stuff because I really get frustrated when I see

869
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: nothing in budgets from the prevailing government that even talks

870
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: about small business owners. It doesn't even talk about them.

871
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: It's not good enough.

872
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: No, it's not good enough. And I'm hoping I'm hoping

873
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: that doctor Jim Chalmers are listening to this because it's

874
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: not good Jim, It's just not good enough. You know,

875
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: small business owners employees seventy percent of every single person

876
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: in this country that's employed. So small business owners collect

877
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: the most payroll tax. Small business sorry, small business collect

878
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: the most pay tax. In other words, they pay the

879
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: most wages because they have the most staff. Therefore they're

880
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: collected the most tax, which they become tax small business

881
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: owners become tax collectors for the government. They collect all

882
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: the GST for the government. They've got to submit it

883
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: to the government. They're going to do returns, you know,

884
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: special returns, and tell the government how much they collected.

885
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: They're the proverbial tax collector for the government. Yes, I

886
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: just don't know why politicians don't say, let's do something

887
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: for the small business owners. Like you know, one of

888
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: the things I often thought about is why wouldn't a

889
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: small business owner who collects a certain amount of tax

890
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: and employs a certain amount of people and pays a

891
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: certain amount of superannuation to make sure that when people

892
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: retire they're not going to be dragging on the government's

893
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: pocket with pensions and stuff like that. Why does the

894
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: government sort of say, you know what, there's a reward

895
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: for that. And the reward is going to be you know,

896
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: your company's income tax rate, if you collect so much taxes,

897
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: is going to be reduced by one percent something, that's right.

898
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: Anything, and then small business owners have that confidence, whether

899
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 2: it's getting big businesses to pay them in a shorter

900
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: period of time or getting that you know, that tax

901
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: cut incentive. It allows them to feel confident and allows

902
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: them to employ more people, to invest in more marketing,

903
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: to invest in more product innovation and development, become more proactive, production,

904
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: become more productive. That's right. And I think that would

905
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: give a lot of small business the confidence to grow

906
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: and speak. You're talking about our treasurer. I think what's

907
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: so important for Australia is not only not only to

908
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: think about wealth redistribution, but to think about wealth creation.

909
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 2: I think you know, there's so many initiatives being rolled

910
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: out just to almost say before election time, we want

911
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,479
Speaker 2: to buy your vote, we want to buy your vote.

912
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: But you know what, I think the Australian people respect

913
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: Mark the fact that they respect someone with a long

914
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 2: term vision to think about how do we create more

915
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: prosperity for Australia and for everyone and that includes backing

916
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: small businesses.

917
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: So if the Coalition gets in, how important is ben

918
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: Along as a seat for the coalition to win this election?

919
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: Mark? Ben Along is the most marginal labor health seat

920
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: in the country.

921
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

922
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: Well, it means that you know, the people have been

923
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: Along play an important role in choosing who who their

924
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 2: local member becomes is. So I think it's very importantly close.

925
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: Is it very close between you and like in terms

926
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: of what the polls are saying. I mean we talk

927
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: about lakers that just you need a one percent swing

928
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: or do you need a five What sort of swing

929
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: do you need to get liberally into that seat?

930
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: Well, last time we lost the seat by two thousand votes,

931
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: Adam how many? And I think it was about one

932
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty or so thousand voters? We lost by

933
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: two thousand votes. But I think the people have been

934
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: Along are intelligent. We've got young professionals, students, small business owners, seniors.

935
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: They know what's best for them. They know they want

936
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: strong economic management that not only helps them alleviate the

937
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: cost of living for the short term, but builds prosperity

938
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: for the long term. The people have been along know

939
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: that we're hitting one trillion dollars worth of debt for

940
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: the first time in our country's history, and that more

941
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: than ever, it's so important to think about wealth creation

942
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: and not only redistribution.

943
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: That's an important point. That two points there, and the

944
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: first one we were to touch on is the debt.

945
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: You mentioned that dur Electric does think about this, but

946
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: I haven't wanted to do. People just go, yeah, well,

947
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: that's the there's always going to be government debt. I

948
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: can't really manage any of that. I can't control any

949
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: of that. I'm just going to be interested in what

950
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm doing. And therefore the trillion dollars just sort of

951
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: drops off the conversation. I mean, media has made a

952
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: big thing of it, and it should be a big thing.

953
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: And like, trillion dollars of debt for this country means

954
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: as a percentage that is allocate to every single person

955
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: in the country. You know, if we've got twenty five

956
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: million people here, that means we all owe a feel

957
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: out of money. It's not that hard to work out,

958
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: but for some reason there seems to be I don't

959
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: want to say the word apathy. I think it's probably

960
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: more confusion amongst voters that they think, well, I don't

961
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: control that, I can't influence that. It may or may

962
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: not affect me. I don't really know how it's going

963
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: to affect me because I know the government's not going

964
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: to tap tap on my shoulder, say, you know, might

965
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: put up your two hundred thousand dollars worth or wherever

966
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: the number is. I know that's not going to happen.

967
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: So how do you get that point across? What do

968
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: you do about that? I mean, do you keep talking

969
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: to people about this issue or do you just at

970
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: some stages say no, I'm going to try and do

971
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: something that's going to help you specifically miss the voter.

972
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: Well, I think the first thing that we need to

973
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: enrich our democracy on so I think what makes our

974
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: democracy fantastic mark and again, you know many countries, communist

975
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: countries don't have this is the fact that our democracy

976
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: is at its best when there's a high participation rate.

977
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: And also, you know, because we want people going out

978
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: there voting and casting the votes in the appropriate way.

979
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: But at the same time, when people go to the

980
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: ballot box, when they vote, they are well informed. So

981
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: I think, more than ever, I think political parties need

982
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: to ensure that we keep the Australian people educated that

983
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: it's not only about short term fixes, it's about a

984
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 2: long term game. How it affects people's children and grandchildren

985
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: as well. And that's why when I'm going out there,

986
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: I'm speaking of voters about the one trillion dollars worth

987
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: of debt that we're hitting and more than ever, I

988
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: mean you were talking about twenty five million people paying

989
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: off that debt. I mean that's a lot of our

990
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: future generations paying off that that because we have an

991
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: aging and retiring population as well. So I think it's

992
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: important to get the message out there mark for the

993
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 2: long haul as well.

994
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: And you said the other point you made was as

995
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: opposed to just considering redistribution of wealth, let's think about

996
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: creating wealth first, Yes, and then sure we should redistribute

997
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: some of that wealth because there are some people who

998
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: just don't do so well and unfortunately they just have

999
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: a disadvantage, and we don't want to see anyone disadvantaged

1000
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: and you come from one of those backgrounds, so you

1001
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to see anybody living in that sort of

1002
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: situation either. But before you can redistribute, you need to create, yes,

1003
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: and creation of wealth is about being productive. Productivity In Australia,

1004
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: unfortunately we have had one of that. We have one

1005
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: of the lowest productivity growth. In fact, we go back,

1006
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: we need to find we're a decline for many, many

1007
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: years in a measure against all the other OECD countries

1008
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: in the world, which is ridiculous. Do you think that's

1009
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: because we've had it too good for too long? You know,

1010
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: we've got great resources and you know we've been able

1011
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: to rely on our resources boom over the years. Do

1012
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: you think that's the reason. Why are we being what

1013
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: do we why are we in the productivity decline? Where

1014
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: do you think of it?

1015
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: I think Australia does have it very, very good. And

1016
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 2: you know, I think those the saying good men create

1017
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: good times, good times create weak men. And I think

1018
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: it's so important that we think about how we can

1019
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 2: actually build for the future. So when you're comfortable, when

1020
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: we're comfortable, I think as a person and as a country,

1021
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 2: we don't grow, and I think growth and comfort don't coexist.

1022
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: So I think now that we're hitting one trillion dollars

1023
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: worth of debt, now that families are paying more for

1024
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: their bills, I think this is a time for our

1025
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: country to just pause for a moment and think where

1026
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: can we go for the future? How do we boost productivity?

1027
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: And in fact, in Australia we talk about the other

1028
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: side likes to talk about Made in Australia so much.

1029
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: But you know what's good about Australia, I think compared

1030
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: to the rest of the world, mark is the fact

1031
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: that we do have a decent minimum wage compared to

1032
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: the rest of the world. We want to constantly lift

1033
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: real wages. In fact that hasn't been great over the

1034
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: past twenty five years is the fact that how do

1035
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: we build certain sectors up, not only in small business,

1036
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: but the technology sector, the tech sector, our edgey tech,

1037
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: our med tech. Australians are very intelligent people. How do

1038
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: we become the technology powerhouse of the world.

1039
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: And technology obviously increases productivity big time. It's one of

1040
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: the big factors in terms of increasing productivity of just

1041
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: about every business. Edge you tech is an interesting one

1042
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: what do you mean by edge you tech?

1043
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's so many innovative ways running my

1044
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: own education, small business. I think there could be so

1045
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: much more tech out there that help children and families.

1046
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: You know, we have very standardized testing systems overall in Australia,

1047
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: but imagine having adaptive testing at each which means that

1048
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: we look at each child based on their levels and

1049
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: they sit through certain questions based on their abilities so

1050
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: they can improve and learn at their rate.

1051
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: So the child you do themselves relative to themselves as

1052
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: oppose to everybody else, absolutely.

1053
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: And I think that actually helps them out. So if

1054
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: your child that's excelling, you know, you can be doing

1055
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: harder questions based on the adaptive testing, but if you're

1056
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: falling behind, then you can be allocated questions and help

1057
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: that can help you improve at the rate that you

1058
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: need to as well. So there's a lot we can

1059
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 2: embrace with technology. I think a lot of teachers out

1060
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: there spend tremendous amounts of time with administration, with unnecessary

1061
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: admin They tell me about it all the time, But

1062
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: imagine we can help them mark. Imagine we can help

1063
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 2: them also quantify some of the things they're doing without

1064
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: them having to manually do it. I think that's important.

1065
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: So it helps teachers out, helps students out, but it

1066
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: also helps our economy out when it comes to investing

1067
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: in technology such as edgu tech as well.

1068
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: So if you get voted in as the member for

1069
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: ben Loong, the Liberal member for ben Long, how does

1070
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: the parliament work? I mean, does Peter Dutton no, dabd

1071
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: You'll congratulate you. And even if the Liberal Party don't

1072
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: win overall, what does that mean for Scott Young? Does

1073
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: that mean that you have any say in parliament? How

1074
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: does it work? Because you know you'll get in you're

1075
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: a member. But let's say Liberal don't win enough seats

1076
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: so they don't form government. Let's say Labor forms government

1077
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: with the Greens. What cans Scott Young do then? As

1078
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Speaker 1: the Liberal member for ben Along.

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Speaker 2: Well, First of all, if I'm blessed enough to be

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Speaker 2: chosen by the people bet Along Mark, the position never

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Speaker 2: belongs to me. It belongs to the people and the

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Speaker 2: community that might choose me, that might put their faith

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Speaker 2: in me. And it's so important I think, And what

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Speaker 2: I dislike about politics at times, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: fighting and I don't think invoting in fighting and also

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Speaker 2: fighting in general, the blue side versus the green side

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Speaker 2: versus the red side. And I think politics when you

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Speaker 2: go home and you've spoken hundreds of people every single day,

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Speaker 2: you go home and you go why do I do this?

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Speaker 2: And you want to help people, so you go, well,

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Speaker 2: how do I find common ground to help as many

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Speaker 2: people as possible? So if I am blessed enough to

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Speaker 2: be chosen by the people of Benolong, I will think

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Speaker 2: what's the common ground for Benolong? Out of all those

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Speaker 2: thousands of conversations that I've had, how can I best

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Speaker 2: advocate for them? And I think for the people of Benolong,

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Speaker 2: it's the equal opportunity to get ahead, whether it's starting

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Speaker 2: their own small business, buying their own home, or getting

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Speaker 2: a quality education. But again I think that's underpin by

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Speaker 2: building a stronger economy only thinking about redistribution. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we have to help those that do need the help,

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Speaker 2: that are vulnerable, but we got to think how do

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Speaker 2: we build a more prosperous Australia for everyone? And I

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Speaker 2: think also there are so many people that come from

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Speaker 2: different backgrounds, different cultures. We want one Australia with our

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Speaker 2: Australian values of ensuring that we look after each other,

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Speaker 2: a quiet sense of patriotism, and I think that what

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Speaker 2: that's what brings our country together.

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Speaker 1: So I read an article the other day. I just

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Speaker 1: want to clear clarify for the sake of this conversation,

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Speaker 1: you're not a communist a.

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Speaker 2: Mark. Seriously. I find it an absolute joke. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I used to get offended by it when people call.

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Speaker 1: Me because Chinese, I think you're a communist.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's I think it's borderline racism, you know,

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Speaker 2: just because I've got an Asian face, so my parents

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Speaker 2: have come from China and Hong Kong. They call me

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00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: a communist. And can I just say, you go to hundreds,

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Speaker 2: if not thousands of events, you meet all sorts of people,

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Speaker 2: you take all sorts of.

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Speaker 1: Photos, and you grew up here and you went to

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Speaker 1: school here.

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Speaker 2: I was born here, grew up here. I'm a proud Australian.

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Speaker 2: And something that I always say to our multicultural communities

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Speaker 2: is that we're proud of our culture, committed to Australia's future.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. You know a lot of people wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: know it, but like the thought of communism in Hong Kong,

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Speaker 1: especially when your dad was growing up in Hong Kong,

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Speaker 1: is like the most ridiculous thing, because I've been Hong

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Speaker 1: Kong many times for work back in when I was

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Speaker 1: in the law firm, and people from Hong Kong are

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Speaker 1: the most capitalist, business minded money makers that I think

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Speaker 1: I'd ever met anywhere in the world. And Shanghai, by

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Speaker 1: the way, if anyone for anyone who's been that city,

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Speaker 1: like it is mega, mega capitalist. I know it's a

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Speaker 1: communist country, but it's like, you serious, are these dudes

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00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: so good at making money? And there's not a there's

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Speaker 1: not even a sceric of communism in them. And but

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Speaker 1: I did want to ask you that question because I

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Speaker 1: have heard some people say that about you because of

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Speaker 1: you look Chinese and your surname's Young y un g.

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Speaker 1: So what your first name? Scott? You went to Sydney Boys, Hi,

1143
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: you spent your junior years and schools around, you know,

1144
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: like Ember and Kingsgrove and all those other sorts of places.

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00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: The bullshit that people throw around during these elections. You're

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00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: a young man. Have you got your point? At any stage?

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00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: We thought what the hell am I doing this for?

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00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,959
Speaker 1: Like I'm getting barbs left, right and center. I didn't

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00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: deserve this. I didn't deserve that. All I want to

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Speaker 1: do is serve my community. I mean in your community,

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Speaker 1: being the whole community. I don't mean your Chinese communit.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Banlong community. Do you ever think

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00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: of why am I doing this?

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Speaker 2: Mark? You know some of those comments, and I just

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Speaker 2: want to be open and even vulnerable here. It does

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00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: hurt you at times when people call you all sorts

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00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: of things, such as the communists stuff. I'm a proud Australian.

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00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: I love this country so much. I feel like I

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Speaker 2: don't I shouldn't even have to be saying that to

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Speaker 2: justify it. But there are times where you think, you know,

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Speaker 2: why am I copying all this? There are times where

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Speaker 2: you think, you know, my mum's probably getting comments as well,

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Speaker 2: but you think, but I know that at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day that if I am successful, I can

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Speaker 2: advocate for policies that help the Australian people. I think

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Speaker 2: one policy can change their lives of millions of people,

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Speaker 2: and that's why it's worth it. That's why it would

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Speaker 2: be an absolute honor to serve. And if I ever

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Speaker 2: get their mark, I'm lucky enough to be there, and

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Speaker 2: I realized I can't make a difference, then I'm out

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00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: of there. Then I'm out of there because you can

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Speaker 2: also make a difference, just like you have done in

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Speaker 2: business with Wizard and Yellow Brick Road. But I think

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you're in this to

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Speaker 2: serve people. You're in there to find common ground, to

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Speaker 2: advocate things effectively so that people are better off. And

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Speaker 2: if I realize I can't do that, then I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's worth it.

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Speaker 1: I think pologies can be an extraordinarily frustrating game. Will

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Speaker 1: if you win, you get an office that they pay

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Speaker 1: for an office or something like that. Somehow you get

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Speaker 1: government or give you a compensation because you have to

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Speaker 1: have an office. If do you welcome people to come

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Speaker 1: knock on your door and visit you right now? Do

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Speaker 1: you have an office now?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 1: We have a campaign office you have to rent as

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Speaker 1: a private sort of thing. But if you become the

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Speaker 1: city member, you get an office they give you. The

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Speaker 1: government must pay for an office because you know your

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Speaker 1: constituencies need to know where to go to visit you.

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Speaker 1: Would is you're an open door type policy person.

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Speaker 2: I think it's so important to be able to be accessible.

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Speaker 2: That is very, very important. And at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, whoever is elected, they're the ones who you know,

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Speaker 2: tax payers money is being invested in to their local representative,

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Speaker 2: whether it's the office, whether it's staff, whether it's the

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Speaker 2: local MP salary. So it's you owe the Australian people.

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Speaker 2: You owe it to your electorate to work your hardest

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Speaker 2: for them. But I think whilst working hard is one thing,

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Speaker 2: getting results is another. So I think it's so important

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Speaker 2: to think how will you get those results? How will

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Speaker 2: I lobby shadow ministers or ministers or the leader all

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister in getting results for my electorate. I

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Speaker 2: think you've got to be relentless about it. I think

1206
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Speaker 2: you got to be smart about it. And that's what

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Speaker 2: I would love to bring if I was ever given

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Speaker 2: the opportunity. And if.

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Speaker 1: Someone's considering voting for in Benlong for either Labor Greens,

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Speaker 1: do you have a Green member?

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 1: There is a Greens candidates, but no tells Green Greens

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Speaker 1: candidate a Labor candidate if you're an independent. Outside of

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Speaker 1: the Greens, there are I think a total of eight

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Speaker 1: of us A candidates, one from the Liberal Party, Labor, Greens,

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Speaker 1: and the rest I think are in emense right. So

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Speaker 1: I'm one of the constituents of Benlong and I'm considering

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Speaker 1: who I'm going to vote for. Why would I vote

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Speaker 1: for Scott Young Well?

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Speaker 2: I think politics again, is not about fighting each other.

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Speaker 2: It's about finding common ground to help as many people

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Speaker 2: as possible. My first home was in public housing. I

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01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: went to quality public schools my whole life. I think

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Speaker 2: every Australian, including those in Benelong, I should have the

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Speaker 2: equal opportunity to get ahead. And I think in politics

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Speaker 2: you can find common ground. So if we have equality

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Speaker 2: of opportunity to ensure every Australian child has equality education,

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Speaker 2: Australians can own their own home and retire comfortably. And

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Speaker 2: if they can pursue their aspirations and succeed in it,

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Speaker 2: whether it's small business, whether it's a young person's career.

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Speaker 2: I think that is underpinned with a strong economy. And

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Speaker 2: I think again, I'd like to be as one of

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Speaker 2: the youngest candidates in the country. I think about the

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Speaker 2: future Mark and I think about how we can actually

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Speaker 2: have long term policies around the economy, around education, around

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Speaker 2: small business where it can help people not only for

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Speaker 2: the short run, but for the long haul.

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Speaker 1: They're their lofty ideals, you know, and politics is hard

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01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: to achieve lofty ideals because you know, even if you're

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01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: in government, you've got your own party to deal with,

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01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: and you know, and probably other things might get prioritized

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01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: ahead of you your lofty goals. So I guess if

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Speaker 1: I'm a voter, I would say, okay, so that's great,

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Speaker 1: sounds good, But are you a fighter?

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Speaker 2: I'm an absolute fighter.

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01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: A you're going to fight for it.

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Speaker 2: I will fight for it. I'll fight to the death

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Speaker 2: mark for the people of ben alone. You know, I

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Speaker 2: see why, because it's not easy. I think again, in

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Speaker 2: my principles and how I was raised as a Buddhist,

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01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: I think it's not easy to be human in general.

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Speaker 2: Everyone has their challenges and when I talk to many

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Speaker 2: people in Benelong, many are going through challenges, but all

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 2: you know, want their lives to get better. And that's

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Speaker 2: why I'm in it. You know. At the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, Mark it's much easier running my own education,

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Speaker 2: small business. You can control your team, you can control

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01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: the climate of everything. But what makes it worth it

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01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: is knowing that there is a potential to advocate for

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Speaker 2: policies that make our community better.

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Speaker 1: It's got young. Good luck mate, Thank you, thank you Mark,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for letting me be Jets.