Speaker 1: Apochae Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am
Speaker 1: Neil the Muscle comments and in this episode I speak
Speaker 1: with Catherine Denoir, who runs a high class brothel in
Speaker 1: Western Europe.
Speaker 2: I mean one of the customers he came in with
Speaker 2: like this big lar bear costume.
Speaker 3: I think the old one that works with us is
Speaker 3: around sixteen.
Speaker 2: She looks amazing and she's making a fortune.
Speaker 3: We have a lot of like hockey.
Speaker 2: Players, football players of mma and we are fully boked.
Speaker 3: It's around one hundred.
Speaker 2: If she feels that she wants to charge one thousand,
Speaker 2: you know, for half an hour, it's it's up to her.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. When I when I seen
Speaker 1: you in the Daily Mail, I thought this is a
Speaker 1: story that I want for my podcast. I've worked and
Speaker 1: looked after a lot of brothels in Sydney so but
Speaker 1: nothing probably like yours that you look after. Before we
Speaker 1: get into the nitty gritty, I want to know you
Speaker 1: as a person first growing up, and then why why
Speaker 1: you ended up this place and now as you are.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, so I had a pregnant, normal childhood. My
Speaker 3: father he's a physicist. My mother she's a teacher. She
Speaker 3: teaches languages.
Speaker 2: We kind of moved a lot because of my father's work,
Speaker 2: and then we kind of it's nice to move in
Speaker 2: my country where.
Speaker 3: I'm currently now. When I was growing up, I was
Speaker 3: in this high school.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have this in Australia, but
Speaker 2: we have this high school for.
Speaker 3: Like clever kids.
Speaker 1: So I used to.
Speaker 2: And all my classmates they wanted to be like doctors, lawyers, economists.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know what I want
Speaker 2: to do with my life. You know, I knew that
Speaker 2: I don't want to go into this, into this bath.
Speaker 2: But then like I just studied, started to study psychology.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm not doing this, you know,
Speaker 3: it's not for me.
Speaker 2: And then I found neuropsychology, so then I decided to
Speaker 2: get into that. So my internship is one of the
Speaker 2: biggest hospitals here in UH in my country. And also
Speaker 2: my bachelor thesis was from neuropsychology.
Speaker 3: And then I found this article.
Speaker 2: It was way a manager of a brothel and it
Speaker 2: was called Psychologists and a brothel. They called me Nam
Speaker 2: but I protect women and so I clicked on it and.
Speaker 3: I started to read it. It was just so interesting.
Speaker 2: I never thought that they that there is such a
Speaker 2: career choice.
Speaker 3: I knew that the brothels are.
Speaker 2: Thing, but I didn't have an experience with text work
Speaker 2: and the industry, so I kind of knew this is
Speaker 2: a thing, but I never even think about it. And
Speaker 2: then I read this article and he spoke about the
Speaker 2: way how they treat the business as a regular business.
Speaker 2: The girls are independent contractors, they really treat them a respect,
Speaker 2: and then he also spoke about the row of sexuality
Speaker 2: in society. And I finished the article and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is what I want to do. This is what
Speaker 2: I want to do for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: So I completely abandoned the neuropsychology field and I kind
Speaker 2: of decided to write them an email.
Speaker 3: I tracked the company, the company that this guy worked for,
Speaker 3: and I just wrote them an email.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't have any experience, I don't
Speaker 2: know the industry, but just please give me a job
Speaker 2: because this is what I really want to do.
Speaker 3: And a few days later they called me.
Speaker 2: They wrote that they read this email and they just
Speaker 2: wanted to invite me for the interview. So I went
Speaker 2: for the interview, and then I went through like three
Speaker 2: rounds of the interviews, and at the end I was
Speaker 2: offered the job and I was twenty two. Now I'm
Speaker 2: thirty one, So since then I'm there and it's amazing.
Speaker 2: I love it there.
Speaker 1: What's what was that? What was the job role? What
Speaker 1: was your job role that you were going for?
Speaker 2: Well, I applied for the management position, and I didn't
Speaker 2: have like any experience with managing people. I was twenty two,
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't have like even any concept of
Speaker 2: like being a manager. So when I started with this job,
Speaker 2: the actually told me everything from the beginning.
Speaker 1: So you've never worked in anything to do with the
Speaker 1: sex industry? No, never, So you never managed the place
Speaker 1: before in your life?
Speaker 2: No? I mean I was twenty two, so I don't
Speaker 2: know much. Twenty two years old?
Speaker 1: Who So how did you? So? How did you get
Speaker 1: into this business? Walked into this this brothel and just go,
Speaker 1: I've I've got to manage this place. And look after?
Speaker 1: How many girls are in there? How many girls?
Speaker 3: Like around one hundred?
Speaker 1: There's one hundred girls? What in one night?
Speaker 2: It could be a really when we are fully both,
Speaker 2: it's around one hundred.
Speaker 1: How How fucking big is this profle?
Speaker 2: It's it's big, you know, we're actually one of the
Speaker 2: oldest in the country. So I think that we have
Speaker 2: the market for like thirty thirty five years now.
Speaker 1: One hundred girls, so that means there's a hundred rooms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god. So how the hell did you
Speaker 1: manage these girls with no experience?
Speaker 3: Well, it was. It was very challenging at the beginning
Speaker 3: because I needed.
Speaker 2: To So we we work with a lot of foreigners,
Speaker 2: so we have a lot of girls coming from Eastern Europe,
Speaker 2: so Romania, Bulgaria. Uh so I needed to learn how
Speaker 2: to speak with them, and not just like the the
Speaker 2: English part, because some of them they don't know very
Speaker 2: good English, so you needed to so I needed to
Speaker 2: start speaking like that level of the English. And I
Speaker 2: also needed to needed to learn how to support them,
Speaker 2: and because it can be very challenging to be a
Speaker 2: sex worker. You know, you can get like very good night.
Speaker 3: When you earn like two thousand uros.
Speaker 2: And everything is okay, and then you get like you're
Speaker 2: very chitty night when you earn like one hundred year
Speaker 2: old and you're very shitty about yourself. So I needed
Speaker 2: to learn how to support them and like what do
Speaker 2: they need when they tell me.
Speaker 3: Hey, I need your support right now. So I kind
Speaker 3: of it was like a huge process.
Speaker 2: I think it took me like five years until I
Speaker 2: was like very confident about the role. And also there
Speaker 2: are there are situations with the customers and imagine that
Speaker 2: there's like twenty two years old coming in and shes
Speaker 2: the situation.
Speaker 3: Maybe the guy he's like.
Speaker 2: Fifty sixty maybe drunk, and it was my it was
Speaker 2: my job to the situation. So it really took me
Speaker 2: like quite a lot a lot of the time too
Speaker 2: to be very confident about it all.
Speaker 1: But okay, so there's a reception that without because I
Speaker 1: know you're very secretive about where this place is. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm just going to try and vision and walk
Speaker 1: through this place. Receptionist. There's a receptionist, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a reception and when you want to when
Speaker 2: you want to go in, you need to go through
Speaker 2: reception so that I'm my colleague and they will sell
Speaker 2: you the ticket and also.
Speaker 1: Like check you you need to sell your ticket.
Speaker 3: Oh well, so there's like entrance fee. It's like twenty euros.
Speaker 2: It's very for for hours, so you can always like
Speaker 2: come back, so okay.
Speaker 1: And so that gets you way into into a waiting room.
Speaker 2: Uh no, no, there's a there's a bar and the
Speaker 2: ip rls and like lounge.
Speaker 1: Oh so the girls come in and parade themselves for
Speaker 1: the for the clients.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, the girl, the women, they don't do this.
Speaker 2: They have their own rooms and they work in front
Speaker 2: of the room. So they either stand in front of
Speaker 2: the room or they just chill chill in the room
Speaker 2: and the clients just like well.
Speaker 1: Walk around the rooms. A hundred fucking rooms. So this
Speaker 1: guy's walked in and he's gonna walk a hundred rooms
Speaker 1: till he finds the guilt that he wants the book.
Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god, it's.
Speaker 4: Like a it's like a candy store, I mean kind
Speaker 4: of yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Jesus, it's okay. So then he picks the lady that
Speaker 1: he wants. Then where he an hour, half an hour,
Speaker 1: whatever the time he wants to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is up to them because we as a management,
Speaker 2: we are never part of the business between between the
Speaker 2: girls and the customers are independent in contructor and they
Speaker 2: can charge the amount that they want. They their own like,
Speaker 2: they can set their own prices, they can decide about
Speaker 2: the services. So not everyone you know who's working with
Speaker 2: us do full service, you know the full sex. They
Speaker 2: are leaning into DSM. We have a one girl and
Speaker 2: she does squirting, so this is she doesn't do the
Speaker 2: full service sex mark, but she specialized in like auto
Speaker 2: eritic show and squirting. Then we have two girls and
Speaker 2: they are working only together and they are offering like
Speaker 2: lesbian shows and those kind of stuff. And the customers
Speaker 2: they are just like walking through the through the whole complex.
Speaker 3: And when they see the girl that they like, we
Speaker 3: just go to speak with her.
Speaker 2: So we as a management we are never part of
Speaker 2: the deal between between the girls.
Speaker 1: So the girls, the girls just pay you rent exactly.
Speaker 3: They just pay the rent and that are like no
Speaker 3: other fees, no percentages. This is what you do.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to what you just said
Speaker 1: about the squirting.
Speaker 2: What that.
Speaker 1: So the guy just goes in and watches her.
Speaker 2: Squirt exactly exactly, and she makes a lot of money
Speaker 2: with this.
Speaker 1: He doesn't touch it, nothing, no sexual actions.
Speaker 3: Mostly not mostly not. She has this like very big dildos.
Speaker 2: He likes and she likes to to make the.
Speaker 3: Anal for the guys.
Speaker 2: So basically she likes to fund the guys in the
Speaker 2: ass with those dildos.
Speaker 1: Oh, listen, listen. I've I've had a lot of girls
Speaker 1: in the sex industry come on this podcast. Nine out
Speaker 1: of ten the ass is brought up. Now, I just
Speaker 1: don't know why it gets brought up and why does
Speaker 1: but the everything has been distinct in the backside. Is
Speaker 1: that over there? Over there too?
Speaker 2: It's not actually so common. I mean, fasting is very
Speaker 2: very extreme. It's on the extreme end of the spectrum.
Speaker 2: So most of the guys they actually request for like anal,
Speaker 2: you know, they want to try to bet with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is very common.
Speaker 2: So they often come to come to the brothels because
Speaker 2: they don't want to try this with their partners because
Speaker 2: it might achieve the dynamics between the So.
Speaker 3: They often come to the brook to just pay for
Speaker 3: the service.
Speaker 2: It's it's very common fantasy of the guys, at least
Speaker 2: here in Europe.
Speaker 3: I don't know about. Maybe they didn't tell you, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: So how daunting was it for you on your first
Speaker 1: shift when you worked there, your first night working there?
Speaker 1: Mm hm, And you've never managed before in your life.
Speaker 1: You're managing our one hundred girls. Do you have any
Speaker 1: help doing that or was it just no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I mean I have like a senior manager to basically
Speaker 2: show me everything. And it took me like three months
Speaker 2: until I was capable of at least doing the shift fully,
Speaker 2: you know, the responsibilities kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So I needed to learn everything.
Speaker 2: The first shift was like really to see what this
Speaker 2: is all about, to maybe say hi to some girls,
Speaker 2: to see the systems that we use, because we use
Speaker 2: like a lot of IT systems, you know, like a
Speaker 2: CRM reports, those kind of stuff. So I needed to
Speaker 2: at least like I have a sort of concept like
Speaker 2: how I'm going.
Speaker 3: To be working.
Speaker 2: So that was the first and I remember I was
Speaker 2: like extremely tired because we were during the night. So
Speaker 2: our shift starts at six sorry seven pm and we
Speaker 2: finished six am in the morning. So I remember like
Speaker 2: being extreme retired, Like it was something completely different.
Speaker 1: So what what happens? There's a one hundred rooms right
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to I'm trying to pitch it now
Speaker 1: because it's this This place is so secretive. I've looked
Speaker 1: up and you do not want to tell anybody where
Speaker 1: it is. How the fuck I would find it? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm trying to pitch it. Is it an
Speaker 1: old place? It must be like an old hotel or something.
Speaker 3: It's not at.
Speaker 2: All, but I mean it's like three years old. So
Speaker 2: I don't know if you consider.
Speaker 1: This if I'm trying to I'm trying to pitch it,
Speaker 1: like a hundred one hundred bedrooms plus rooms like service
Speaker 1: rooms and all like that. How the hell, How the
Speaker 1: hell do you keep account for all them girls or
Speaker 1: what if they need help?
Speaker 2: So every room has at least one panic button. We
Speaker 2: have our own security. We can call the police anytime
Speaker 2: if there is any problem because we operate clearly, so
Speaker 2: we don't need to hight so. But the most important
Speaker 2: thing is the arm the panic button. So the girls
Speaker 2: are instructed to the said if they will feel the
Speaker 2: situation is like going, you know, not in a way
Speaker 2: that they would like to or if there's like any
Speaker 2: kind of like heated arguments that they don't want to
Speaker 2: continue with. So they are basically instructed to press depending
Speaker 2: button because I always tell them it's like it's better to.
Speaker 3: Press it for nothing then find.
Speaker 2: Yourself in a situation when it's very hard for you
Speaker 2: to handle it.
Speaker 3: But it didn't happen so often. I mean the alarm situation.
Speaker 2: It's it happens like one twice a month, but it's
Speaker 2: like nothing. The most the most situations, the most common
Speaker 2: one is that the guy ins the service is over
Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to leave, so he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. I would like to stay here more.
Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, well you can, but you need
Speaker 2: to pay, and he's like, I don't you I want
Speaker 2: to stay here.
Speaker 3: So this had the situation the or the guy.
Speaker 2: Falls asleep after you know, the service and she doesn't
Speaker 2: want to wake him up or something, so she just so.
Speaker 1: You've never had any kind of trouble ever since you've
Speaker 1: been working there.
Speaker 2: I've been there nine years, almost nine years, and since
Speaker 2: I'm there, it's like never anything serious happened, which is
Speaker 2: like part of it is because we are too big
Speaker 2: for something serious to happen. Because if you if you
Speaker 2: want to harm a sex worker, you will aim for
Speaker 2: independent ones because she's there alone, there is like no security,
Speaker 2: the police. It will be like very hard for her
Speaker 2: to call the police. But since we are you know,
Speaker 2: we have the security pending buttons, the police are there
Speaker 2: very quickly. So if you don't want to harm somebody
Speaker 2: as a client, you will not go to the club.
Speaker 1: How many how many securities do you have in that building?
Speaker 2: So we have like one team of security guys and
Speaker 2: usually it's like five.
Speaker 3: Or four of them.
Speaker 2: Three if it's like very slow night, like Monday is Tuesday,
Speaker 2: those kinds of slow night.
Speaker 1: Am I am? I allowed to ask what country this
Speaker 1: this is in?
Speaker 3: Or you know your location?
Speaker 1: So you are secretive with Before I get this question,
Speaker 1: how do if I'm overseas and I want to find
Speaker 1: this place, how the hell do I find it?
Speaker 2: I think you will find it, just like by walking
Speaker 2: in this city.
Speaker 3: It's very big, you know. As it said, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what countryting.
Speaker 3: Exactly, So how so how do I find it? Will
Speaker 3: definitely find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you will be in the capital of this
Speaker 2: of this country, you will definitely find it.
Speaker 1: You don't. But what, Okay, I'll ask you this then?
Speaker 1: Why why so secretive with it?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: One of the reasons is that I like to protect
Speaker 2: the privacy of the workers and the employees of the
Speaker 2: company because I'm very open about what I do, but
Speaker 2: not everybody is, so it's open about what they do.
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't, so like I don't want to place
Speaker 2: the the the sex workers that works with us to
Speaker 2: the situation when there would be a guy you know
Speaker 2: and be like, ah, you are the girl from the instagram.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: And also like when I when I started with the Instagram,
Speaker 2: I just did it for myself. I was feeling like
Speaker 2: a little bit burned out, and then it kind of
Speaker 2: got big. And at one point I was like, I
Speaker 2: need to tell this to the owners because I don't
Speaker 2: want to do this as.
Speaker 3: A secret from them.
Speaker 2: And they were like super that you know I have
Speaker 2: this thing. But they told me like, look, you can
Speaker 2: film in the in the club, you can film like anywhere,
Speaker 2: but just disclose the location.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'll go. I'll go to my question that
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask. With this property and this business
Speaker 1: being so big in this country, in this city, has
Speaker 1: any kind of gangsters try to take over this place,
Speaker 1: not have any affiliation, have any affiliation of it. The
Speaker 1: only reason I ask is a lot of brothels over
Speaker 1: here are run by on the world figures. Okay, So
Speaker 1: that's why I'm asking the question, Like gangsters and all
Speaker 1: like that run brothels here.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, we don't do this in here.
Speaker 2: I don't hang out with other managers from different clubs.
Speaker 2: I know, at least like one of them from different
Speaker 2: club he was arrested for drug dealing.
Speaker 3: So this is like one of the reasons why I
Speaker 3: don't hang out with them so much.
Speaker 2: But you know, our company, when we started or when
Speaker 2: the owners added with this business, they.
Speaker 3: Decide to do it differently.
Speaker 2: So this is one of the reasons why us as
Speaker 2: a managers, we need to have psychology, like psychology degree,
Speaker 2: so we do this pretty differently than the other club.
Speaker 3: And since we are so.
Speaker 2: Big, you know, there's like no no gangsters type of
Speaker 2: the thing going on.
Speaker 1: So the only reason I asked you that, as I said,
Speaker 1: a lot of brothels and strip clubs in Australia even
Speaker 1: in the UK, as I know, are run by mafia
Speaker 1: on the wealth figures gangsters. Yeah, that's why I was asking, Wow,
Speaker 1: if you.
Speaker 2: Would be the owners, they are like such a sweet guys,
Speaker 2: like you wouldn't never tell that they run a brothel.
Speaker 1: Wow, So okay, then how do you stop drugs coming
Speaker 1: into your venue?
Speaker 2: We actually never had a situation when there would be
Speaker 2: like some dealers coming in because we would notice, you know,
Speaker 2: if there would be a customer and he would sell
Speaker 2: drugs to other customers, we would pretty much notice. You know,
Speaker 2: we have like CCTVs everywhere. Also the security they throughout
Speaker 2: of the night, they just chicky place. Also the women
Speaker 2: they are when we are accepting them, we always tell
Speaker 2: the it's like, if you want to take the drugs,
Speaker 2: don't do it in here, because we really you really
Speaker 2: don't want this thing to be happening here. But of course,
Speaker 2: sometimes you know, the customers, they are coming in and
Speaker 2: they maybe want to take some booking or something, and
Speaker 2: they usually need to bring this with them because there's
Speaker 2: like you don't sell it. Of course, so sometimes when
Speaker 2: they are like drugs, the customers are already coming in
Speaker 2: and they maybe have some something small with them.
Speaker 1: You know what, you must have the most professional run
Speaker 1: brothel in the world, because that's insane, because every brothel,
Speaker 1: I know, every night life person who owns a nightclub
Speaker 1: or anything in Australia has dealers coming in and having
Speaker 1: have them dealers have workers in that venue running for you.
Speaker 1: I can't believe no one is doing in your venue.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I mean I remember there was this one situation.
Speaker 2: It's like many years ago, we had this bartender and
Speaker 2: he was like very sweet person, and then we like
Speaker 2: after after one week, we found out that he was
Speaker 2: trying to deal the drugs there. So then we just
Speaker 2: tell him like, sorry, men, but you can't work here.
Speaker 2: This is the thing that we don't want to.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so how much?
Speaker 1: How much?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 1: Tell me the rates of the girls. What's what's the
Speaker 1: most a girl can charge in that venue?
Speaker 3: It's up to them. We we never tell them how
Speaker 3: much did she charge?
Speaker 2: So if she feels that she wants to charge one thousand,
Speaker 2: you know, for half an hour, it's it's up to her.
Speaker 1: But who's your who's your most expensive girl?
Speaker 2: And then it really depends. So we have like two
Speaker 2: types of the of the sex workers basically. So one
Speaker 2: of them, like one of the type is that there
Speaker 2: are sex workers that really aim for quantity. So they
Speaker 2: are fine with having like thirty guys per night because
Speaker 2: they don't to yeah, the guys.
Speaker 3: But these are like very short and quick services. They
Speaker 3: actually for this, they don't want to.
Speaker 2: Spend more than thirty minutes before any of those customers,
Speaker 2: so they just basically make the guy finish and that's
Speaker 2: it and they don't want to have like any longer
Speaker 2: like services, you know. And then we have a then
Speaker 2: we have different girls and they aim for like one
Speaker 2: two clients per night because they are really good with
Speaker 2: pick the company, doing the conversations, out for a drink.
Speaker 2: What is interesting is that the girls with the thirty guys,
Speaker 2: they actually make more than the one that goes for
Speaker 2: the like quality time.
Speaker 1: Yeah they would, yeah, they would. So what kind of
Speaker 1: clientele are you are you getting to that venue? What?
Speaker 1: What's the what are you looking at? Like you're looking
Speaker 1: at lawyers. I know you're saying that regular guys go
Speaker 1: in there, but what is that There must be a
Speaker 1: clientele that like it's so high end, a high class
Speaker 1: you'll get hills and your venue, it must pull in
Speaker 1: a lot of lawyers, doctors, I don't know, government people.
Speaker 2: I mean it does, but we also have you know,
Speaker 2: since we are so big, every like Friday Saturday shift
Speaker 2: there is like five hundred people coming in, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So there are.
Speaker 2: Like like the clients are like divers group, so that
Speaker 2: are like lawyers, they are construction workers.
Speaker 3: Sometimes we have like disabled people.
Speaker 2: Sometimes to have women coming in, So it's like very diverse,
Speaker 2: so there's not like one type.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a client tell that it's coming
Speaker 1: in that you need to hide that you can't let
Speaker 1: the public see you have many of them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, not many like these these clients, they usually tend
Speaker 2: to stay on like independent with the independent with the
Speaker 2: independent escorts, so they don't like to hang out in such.
Speaker 3: A crowded places.
Speaker 2: But sometimes we do and we have like how this
Speaker 2: this called like a secret back door?
Speaker 3: Yeah, us to enter the club.
Speaker 1: So what's the fame most famous person you've had, like
Speaker 1: without naming him, I mean we.
Speaker 2: Have a lot of like hockey players, football players or
Speaker 2: MMA hockey hockey players.
Speaker 1: Now see now now I'm trying to think about which
Speaker 1: country this could be now because you've said hockey, so
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think it because hockey is not big
Speaker 1: all over the world.
Speaker 3: I mean it's pretty big here in Europe.
Speaker 1: What's the wea theest thing you've come across working in
Speaker 1: this industry.
Speaker 2: I mean one of the customers he came in with
Speaker 2: like this big polar bear costume and he wanted to.
Speaker 3: Play Eskimo role play.
Speaker 2: So I think that was very beautif yeah, it was
Speaker 2: really like huge ward, very costume.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as this as working there ever changed you in
Speaker 4: a way where I don't take this strong way, but
Speaker 4: you ever thought this this is a bit different.
Speaker 1: You've never wanted to try yourself now just managing well.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would be a good sex worker.
Speaker 2: Actually I think I'm a better manager.
Speaker 1: That's a good answer.
Speaker 3: Every work kind of changes you.
Speaker 2: So now I can definitely appreciate more the relationships because before,
Speaker 2: before like joining the sex industry as a manager, I
Speaker 2: had this very not narrow, but definitely like more narrow
Speaker 2: vision of the the relationships. The monogam is relationship. People
Speaker 2: are cheating each other, that's another thing. But now I
Speaker 2: can three. Now I can really appreciate, you know, open
Speaker 2: relationship and the people that are thinking the relationship and
Speaker 2: there's like no sex involved, but they still have each other.
Speaker 2: So definitely I can appreciate more like those type of
Speaker 2: non traditional relationship now. But I was like about sex anyway,
Speaker 2: but this relationship, you know, I I saw like a
Speaker 2: lot of the relationship arrangements over the past nine years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and neither girls who work there or rent rooms
Speaker 1: have they ever had any partners where they found out
Speaker 1: that they're working behind their partners back and turned up
Speaker 1: at the venue.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: So we have a girls and they have husbands. Sometimes
Speaker 3: the husbands they know, sometimes they don't.
Speaker 2: But I think I never experienced the situation when the
Speaker 2: husbands would find out because the girls they are like
Speaker 2: very good at conceiving it.
Speaker 3: So I think I never experienced this husband would find out.
Speaker 1: Wow, what about like as the girls, like a lot
Speaker 1: of the girls they're in the industry. These girls who
Speaker 1: are in the industry that there to either make money
Speaker 1: to get to either get out the industry and make
Speaker 1: for the better for themselves or then you've got some
Speaker 1: girls who make the money and spend it as soon
Speaker 1: as they get it. M So, do you have any
Speaker 1: counselors like who talk to them to give them advice?
Speaker 1: You know, so you know, like they're making a lot
Speaker 1: of money a night and a week, so you know,
Speaker 1: to help them with this money. What what would you
Speaker 1: have you got people by their side to say, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you should look after your money this way instead
Speaker 1: of spending it. Is there any girls there who are
Speaker 1: spending it on drugs and then you know they've got
Speaker 1: no money at the end of the week and then
Speaker 1: that you know, I don't know, but this is.
Speaker 2: Actually not something that we experience because the girls they
Speaker 2: need to pay the rent, but any to pay print
Speaker 2: in advance. So it kind of you need to have
Speaker 2: some sort of like planning around it because some part
Speaker 2: of your income you need to already invest to pay
Speaker 2: the rooms. And so we we as a place. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know that I work in a very privileged place,
Speaker 2: so we don't we don't meet a lot of women
Speaker 2: on drugs, you know, with alcohol problems. I know that
Speaker 2: those women are in the spax industry, but we don't
Speaker 2: need it so often almost like never, Like most most
Speaker 2: of our workers, they don't even drink. When they are
Speaker 2: spending the money, they are usually buying the flags, you know,
Speaker 2: the the departments that they rent, and sometimes occasionally, you know,
Speaker 2: they go to some very high end store and they
Speaker 2: just buy themselves twenty zero worth I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, first or something.
Speaker 2: It's too much, you know, and they are like, no,
Speaker 2: I wanted to keep I'm so happy, so whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: But like usually they are like very responsible with the
Speaker 2: money because like working with fast means that you also
Speaker 2: need to have this planning ar ound money because you
Speaker 2: can't spend it because if you mean, you can, but
Speaker 2: if you spend like everything, then you don't have the
Speaker 2: money to pay another rent.
Speaker 1: So so, what's what's the average age of the of
Speaker 1: the girls? They're like, what do they start at eighteen?
Speaker 1: To walk to age?
Speaker 2: No, I would say, like the average average age in
Speaker 2: which they start it's like twenty.
Speaker 3: Five, okay, but I like average is like around thirty
Speaker 3: something like this.
Speaker 2: I think the old that works way fast is around sixty.
Speaker 3: And she looks amazing.
Speaker 2: She looks amazing and she's making a fortune.
Speaker 1: What what's your goal? Now you've been there for ten years,
Speaker 1: not nine years, sorry, nine years? Are you still enjoying
Speaker 1: it like you did the first time you have a work?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 1: Is it still that you still enjoying it?
Speaker 3: It's it's still good.
Speaker 2: As I said, I was feeling like a little bit
Speaker 2: burned out because after so many years, you start to
Speaker 2: feel like everything is the same. There's like not too
Speaker 2: many things that would surprise me anymore so, and I
Speaker 2: know that I can handle like everything, so it's.
Speaker 3: Not challenging so much. But I still want to stay
Speaker 3: in the industry.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine myself working as a manager in a
Speaker 2: bank or something.
Speaker 3: I find it like very.
Speaker 2: I don't want to sound mean, but I just find
Speaker 2: it like very you know, boring.
Speaker 1: Would you ever open it? Would you ever open your
Speaker 1: own brothel?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 3: Probably not because it's a lot of paperwork.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I like to be a manager, you now.
Speaker 2: I like to be around people and I can see
Speaker 2: the owners what they do.
Speaker 3: It's like paperwork. So this is this is something that
Speaker 3: I want to do.
Speaker 2: You know. I still want to stay in touch with
Speaker 2: the with the people in the industry.
Speaker 1: But I can.
Speaker 2: Imagine myself like having some sort of collexuury swingers party.
Speaker 2: This is something that I will do in the future,
Speaker 2: maybe not so far. I want to stay in the industry.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine myself by going to some different industry.
Speaker 1: Wow, what about what about over like because it's one
Speaker 1: hundred girls? Is it just is it girls? Or is
Speaker 1: it and you said lesbians before? But is there men
Speaker 1: there or not? Like men selling themselves? It's just just emails?
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's just it's just women.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Okay, I remember that we used to have like a
Speaker 3: few trans people.
Speaker 1: That was cool.
Speaker 3: They weren't make so much money as they were used to.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's very interesting, like what you've said, like like
Speaker 1: what we've been, especially how different it is compared to
Speaker 1: the the brothels that I know in this country, Like
Speaker 1: I can't believe how how well run yours is that
Speaker 1: it has no like especially I'm amazed with there's no
Speaker 1: gang officiation with with your place. That's so weird because
Speaker 1: like virtually every place I know, there's somebody in the
Speaker 1: underworld who has something to do with a brothel.
Speaker 2: I mean to me, it's very weird to imagine that
Speaker 2: I will be connected to some mafia like gangs.
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing because that's the first I've ever heard
Speaker 1: of a brothel, never been a social But you know,
Speaker 1: as I said, maybe it's it's different in every country.
Speaker 1: So well, thank you for coming on the podcast like that.
Speaker 1: That was a pretty amazing And you know what, that's
Speaker 1: opened up my eyes to how brothels are differently because
Speaker 1: I know brothels in the UK and definitely no, they
Speaker 1: are not legal. Yes I know, yes, I know, but
Speaker 1: I've never I've never come across a brothel yes that
Speaker 1: has a hundred rooms, like that's that's insane. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that we are wow, Like, what is that? Is
Speaker 1: there anything else in in this in this in this venue?
Speaker 1: Is it just room?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Is that like and there's a bar downstairs, but is
Speaker 1: there anything else? Well, thank you very much for coming on.
Speaker 1: That was very interesting. I actually enjoyed that. Thank you
Speaker 1: for coming on here.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Okay, thank you m m h.