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Speaker 1: Apochae Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am

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Speaker 1: Neil the Muscle comments and in this episode I speak

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Speaker 1: with Catherine Denoir, who runs a high class brothel in

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Speaker 1: Western Europe.

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Speaker 2: I mean one of the customers he came in with

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Speaker 2: like this big lar bear costume.

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Speaker 3: I think the old one that works with us is

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Speaker 3: around sixteen.

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Speaker 2: She looks amazing and she's making a fortune.

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Speaker 3: We have a lot of like hockey.

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Speaker 2: Players, football players of mma and we are fully boked.

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Speaker 3: It's around one hundred.

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Speaker 2: If she feels that she wants to charge one thousand,

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Speaker 2: you know, for half an hour, it's it's up to her.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. When I when I seen

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Speaker 1: you in the Daily Mail, I thought this is a

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Speaker 1: story that I want for my podcast. I've worked and

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Speaker 1: looked after a lot of brothels in Sydney so but

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Speaker 1: nothing probably like yours that you look after. Before we

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Speaker 1: get into the nitty gritty, I want to know you

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Speaker 1: as a person first growing up, and then why why

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Speaker 1: you ended up this place and now as you are.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, so I had a pregnant, normal childhood. My

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Speaker 3: father he's a physicist. My mother she's a teacher. She

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Speaker 3: teaches languages.

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Speaker 2: We kind of moved a lot because of my father's work,

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Speaker 2: and then we kind of it's nice to move in

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Speaker 2: my country where.

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Speaker 3: I'm currently now. When I was growing up, I was

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Speaker 3: in this high school.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you have this in Australia, but

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Speaker 2: we have this high school for.

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Speaker 3: Like clever kids.

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Speaker 1: So I used to.

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Speaker 2: And all my classmates they wanted to be like doctors, lawyers, economists.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know what I want

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Speaker 2: to do with my life. You know, I knew that

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go into this, into this bath.

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Speaker 2: But then like I just studied, started to study psychology.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm not doing this, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not for me.

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Speaker 2: And then I found neuropsychology, so then I decided to

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Speaker 2: get into that. So my internship is one of the

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Speaker 2: biggest hospitals here in UH in my country. And also

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Speaker 2: my bachelor thesis was from neuropsychology.

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Speaker 3: And then I found this article.

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Speaker 2: It was way a manager of a brothel and it

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Speaker 2: was called Psychologists and a brothel. They called me Nam

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Speaker 2: but I protect women and so I clicked on it and.

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Speaker 3: I started to read it. It was just so interesting.

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Speaker 2: I never thought that they that there is such a

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Speaker 2: career choice.

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Speaker 3: I knew that the brothels are.

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Speaker 2: Thing, but I didn't have an experience with text work

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Speaker 2: then I read this article and he spoke about the

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Speaker 2: way how they treat the business as a regular business.

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Speaker 2: The girls are independent contractors, they really treat them a respect,

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Speaker 2: and then he also spoke about the row of sexuality

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Speaker 2: in society. And I finished the article and I was like,

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Speaker 2: So I completely abandoned the neuropsychology field and I kind

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Speaker 2: of decided to write them an email.

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Speaker 3: I tracked the company, the company that this guy worked for,

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Speaker 3: and I just wrote them an email.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't have any experience, I don't

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Speaker 2: know the industry, but just please give me a job

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Speaker 3: And a few days later they called me.

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Speaker 2: They wrote that they read this email and they just

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Speaker 2: I love it there.

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Speaker 1: What's what was that? What was the job role? What

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Speaker 2: Well, I applied for the management position, and I didn't

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Speaker 2: have like any experience with managing people. I was twenty two,

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Speaker 2: you know, I didn't have like even any concept of

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Speaker 1: So you've never worked in anything to do with the

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Speaker 1: sex industry? No, never, So you never managed the place

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Speaker 2: No? I mean I was twenty two, so I don't

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Speaker 1: Who So how did you? So? How did you get

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Speaker 1: I've I've got to manage this place. And look after?

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Speaker 1: How many girls are in there? How many girls?

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Speaker 3: Like around one hundred?

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Speaker 1: There's one hundred girls? What in one night?

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Speaker 2: It could be a really when we are fully both,

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Speaker 2: it's around one hundred.

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Speaker 1: How How fucking big is this profle?

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Speaker 2: It's it's big, you know, we're actually one of the

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Speaker 2: the market for like thirty thirty five years now.

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Speaker 1: One hundred girls, so that means there's a hundred rooms. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god. So how the hell did you

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Speaker 3: Well, it was. It was very challenging at the beginning

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Speaker 2: To So we we work with a lot of foreigners,

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Speaker 2: so we have a lot of girls coming from Eastern Europe,

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Speaker 2: so Romania, Bulgaria. Uh so I needed to learn how

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Speaker 2: to speak with them, and not just like the the

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Speaker 2: English part, because some of them they don't know very

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Speaker 2: and because it can be very challenging to be a

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Speaker 2: sex worker. You know, you can get like very good night.

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Speaker 3: When you earn like two thousand uros.

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Speaker 2: And everything is okay, and then you get like you're

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Speaker 2: very chitty night when you earn like one hundred year

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Speaker 2: old and you're very shitty about yourself. So I needed

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Speaker 2: to learn how to support them and like what do

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Speaker 2: they need when they tell me.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I need your support right now. So I kind

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Speaker 3: of it was like a huge process.

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Speaker 2: I think it took me like five years until I

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Speaker 2: was like very confident about the role. And also there

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Speaker 2: there's like twenty two years old coming in and shes

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Speaker 3: Maybe the guy he's like.

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Speaker 2: Fifty sixty maybe drunk, and it was my it was

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Speaker 1: But okay, so there's a reception that without because I

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Speaker 1: know you're very secretive about where this place is. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I'm just going to try and vision and walk

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Speaker 1: through this place. Receptionist. There's a receptionist, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a reception and when you want to when

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Speaker 2: reception so that I'm my colleague and they will sell

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Speaker 1: Like check you you need to sell your ticket.

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Speaker 2: It's very for for hours, so you can always like

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Speaker 1: And so that gets you way into into a waiting room.

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Speaker 2: Uh no, no, there's a there's a bar and the

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Speaker 1: Oh so the girls come in and parade themselves for

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, the girl, the women, they don't do this.

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Speaker 2: They have their own rooms and they work in front

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Speaker 2: and the clients just like well.

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Speaker 1: Walk around the rooms. A hundred fucking rooms. So this

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Speaker 1: guy's walked in and he's gonna walk a hundred rooms

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Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god, it's.

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Speaker 4: Like a it's like a candy store, I mean kind

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Speaker 1: Jesus, it's okay. So then he picks the lady that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is up to them because we as a management,

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Speaker 2: we are never part of the business between between the

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Speaker 2: they can set their own prices, they can decide about

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Speaker 2: the services. So not everyone you know who's working with

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Speaker 2: us do full service, you know the full sex. They

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Speaker 2: are leaning into DSM. We have a one girl and

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Speaker 2: they are just like walking through the through the whole complex.

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Speaker 3: And when they see the girl that they like, we

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Speaker 2: So we as a management we are never part of

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Speaker 1: So the girls, the girls just pay you rent exactly.

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Speaker 3: They just pay the rent and that are like no

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Speaker 3: other fees, no percentages. This is what you do.

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Speaker 1: about the squirting.

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Speaker 2: What that.

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Speaker 1: So the guy just goes in and watches her.

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Speaker 2: Squirt exactly exactly, and she makes a lot of money

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Speaker 1: He doesn't touch it, nothing, no sexual actions.

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Speaker 3: Mostly not mostly not. She has this like very big dildos.

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Speaker 2: So basically she likes to fund the guys in the

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Speaker 1: Oh, listen, listen. I've I've had a lot of girls

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Speaker 1: of ten the ass is brought up. Now, I just

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Speaker 1: don't know why it gets brought up and why does

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Speaker 1: but the everything has been distinct in the backside. Is

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Speaker 1: that over there? Over there too?

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Speaker 2: It's not actually so common. I mean, fasting is very

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Speaker 2: very extreme. It's on the extreme end of the spectrum.

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Speaker 2: So most of the guys they actually request for like anal,

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Speaker 2: you know, they want to try to bet with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is very common.

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Speaker 2: So they often come to come to the brothels because

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Speaker 2: they don't want to try this with their partners because

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Speaker 2: it might achieve the dynamics between the So.

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Speaker 3: They often come to the brook to just pay for

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Speaker 2: It's it's very common fantasy of the guys, at least

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Speaker 3: I don't know about. Maybe they didn't tell you, you know,

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Speaker 1: So how daunting was it for you on your first

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Speaker 1: shift when you worked there, your first night working there?

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Speaker 1: Mm hm, And you've never managed before in your life.

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Speaker 2: I mean I have like a senior manager to basically

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Speaker 3: So I needed to learn everything.

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Speaker 2: The first shift was like really to see what this

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Speaker 2: to see the systems that we use, because we use

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Speaker 3: To be working.

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Speaker 2: So that was the first and I remember I was

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Speaker 1: So what what happens? There's a one hundred rooms right

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Speaker 1: because I'm trying to I'm trying to pitch it now

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Speaker 1: because it's this This place is so secretive. I've looked

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Speaker 1: it is. How the fuck I would find it? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm trying to pitch it. Is it an

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Speaker 3: It's not at.

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Speaker 2: All, but I mean it's like three years old. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you consider.

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Speaker 1: This if I'm trying to I'm trying to pitch it,

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Speaker 1: what if they need help?

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Speaker 2: So every room has at least one panic button. We

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Speaker 2: if there is any problem because we operate clearly, so

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Speaker 2: we don't need to hight so. But the most important

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Speaker 3: Press it for nothing then find.

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Speaker 2: Yourself in a situation when it's very hard for you

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Speaker 3: But it didn't happen so often. I mean the alarm situation.

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Speaker 2: It's it happens like one twice a month, but it's

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Speaker 2: like nothing. The most the most situations, the most common

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Speaker 2: one is that the guy ins the service is over

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Speaker 2: not going anywhere. I would like to stay here more.

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Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, well you can, but you need

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Speaker 3: So this had the situation the or the guy.

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Speaker 2: Falls asleep after you know, the service and she doesn't

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Speaker 1: You've never had any kind of trouble ever since you've

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Speaker 2: I've been there nine years, almost nine years, and since

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Speaker 2: I'm there, it's like never anything serious happened, which is

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Speaker 2: like part of it is because we are too big

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Speaker 2: for something serious to happen. Because if you if you

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Speaker 2: independent ones because she's there alone, there is like no security,

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Speaker 2: the police. It will be like very hard for her

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Speaker 2: to call the police. But since we are you know,

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Speaker 2: we have the security pending buttons, the police are there

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Speaker 2: very quickly. So if you don't want to harm somebody

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Speaker 2: as a client, you will not go to the club.

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Speaker 1: How many how many securities do you have in that building?

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Speaker 2: So we have like one team of security guys and

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Speaker 2: usually it's like five.

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Speaker 3: Or four of them.

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Speaker 2: Three if it's like very slow night, like Monday is Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: Am I am? I allowed to ask what country this

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Speaker 1: this is in?

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Speaker 3: Or you know your location?

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Speaker 1: So you are secretive with Before I get this question,

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Speaker 1: how do if I'm overseas and I want to find

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Speaker 1: this place, how the hell do I find it?

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Speaker 2: I think you will find it, just like by walking

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Speaker 2: in this city.

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Speaker 3: It's very big, you know. As it said, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what countryting.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, So how so how do I find it? Will

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Speaker 3: definitely find it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you will be in the capital of this

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Speaker 2: of this country, you will definitely find it.

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Speaker 1: You don't. But what, Okay, I'll ask you this then?

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Speaker 1: Why why so secretive with it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons is that I like to protect

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Speaker 2: the privacy of the workers and the employees of the

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Speaker 2: company because I'm very open about what I do, but

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Speaker 2: not everybody is, so it's open about what they do.

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Speaker 2: So I wouldn't, so like I don't want to place

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Speaker 2: the the the sex workers that works with us to

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Speaker 2: the situation when there would be a guy you know

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Speaker 2: and be like, ah, you are the girl from the instagram.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: And also like when I when I started with the Instagram,

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Speaker 2: I just did it for myself. I was feeling like

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Speaker 2: need to tell this to the owners because I don't

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Speaker 2: want to do this as.

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Speaker 3: A secret from them.

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Speaker 2: And they were like super that you know I have

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Speaker 2: this thing. But they told me like, look, you can

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Speaker 2: film in the in the club, you can film like anywhere,

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Speaker 2: but just disclose the location.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'll go. I'll go to my question that

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask. With this property and this business

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Speaker 1: any kind of gangsters try to take over this place,

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Speaker 1: not have any affiliation, have any affiliation of it. The

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Speaker 1: only reason I ask is a lot of brothels over

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Speaker 1: here are run by on the world figures. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm asking the question, Like gangsters and all

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Speaker 1: like that run brothels here.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, we don't do this in here.

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Speaker 2: I don't hang out with other managers from different clubs.

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Speaker 2: I know, at least like one of them from different

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Speaker 3: So this is like one of the reasons why I

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Speaker 2: But you know, our company, when we started or when

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Speaker 2: the owners added with this business, they.

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Speaker 3: Decide to do it differently.

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Speaker 2: So this is one of the reasons why us as

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Speaker 2: a managers, we need to have psychology, like psychology degree,

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Speaker 2: so we do this pretty differently than the other club.

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Speaker 3: And since we are so.

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Speaker 2: Big, you know, there's like no no gangsters type of

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Speaker 1: So the only reason I asked you that, as I said,

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Speaker 1: a lot of brothels and strip clubs in Australia even

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Speaker 1: in the UK, as I know, are run by mafia

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Speaker 1: on the wealth figures gangsters. Yeah, that's why I was asking, Wow,

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Speaker 1: if you.

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Speaker 2: Would be the owners, they are like such a sweet guys,

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Speaker 2: like you wouldn't never tell that they run a brothel.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So okay, then how do you stop drugs coming

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Speaker 2: We actually never had a situation when there would be

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Speaker 2: drugs to other customers, we would pretty much notice. You know,

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Speaker 2: we have like CCTVs everywhere. Also the security they throughout

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Speaker 2: of the night, they just chicky place. Also the women

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Speaker 2: they are when we are accepting them, we always tell

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Speaker 2: the it's like, if you want to take the drugs,

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Speaker 2: don't do it in here, because we really you really

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Speaker 2: don't want this thing to be happening here. But of course,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you know, the customers, they are coming in and

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Speaker 2: they usually need to bring this with them because there's

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Speaker 2: like you don't sell it. Of course, so sometimes when

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Speaker 1: You know what, you must have the most professional run

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Speaker 1: I know, every night life person who owns a nightclub

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Speaker 1: have them dealers have workers in that venue running for you.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe no one is doing in your venue.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I mean I remember there was this one situation.

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Speaker 2: It's like many years ago, we had this bartender and

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Speaker 2: This is the thing that we don't want to.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so how much?

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Speaker 1: How much?

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Speaker 2: Is?

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Speaker 1: Tell me the rates of the girls. What's what's the

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Speaker 1: most a girl can charge in that venue?

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Speaker 3: It's up to them. We we never tell them how

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Speaker 2: So if she feels that she wants to charge one thousand,

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Speaker 2: you know, for half an hour, it's it's up to her.

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Speaker 1: But who's your who's your most expensive girl?

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Speaker 2: And then it really depends. So we have like two

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Speaker 2: are fine with having like thirty guys per night because

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Speaker 2: they don't to yeah, the guys.

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Speaker 3: But these are like very short and quick services. They

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Speaker 2: Spend more than thirty minutes before any of those customers,

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Speaker 2: so they just basically make the guy finish and that's

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Speaker 2: it and they don't want to have like any longer

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Speaker 2: like services, you know. And then we have a then

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Speaker 2: we have different girls and they aim for like one

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Speaker 2: two clients per night because they are really good with

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Speaker 2: pick the company, doing the conversations, out for a drink.

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Speaker 2: What is interesting is that the girls with the thirty guys,

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Speaker 2: they actually make more than the one that goes for

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Speaker 2: the like quality time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they would, yeah, they would. So what kind of

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Speaker 1: clientele are you are you getting to that venue? What?

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Speaker 1: What's the what are you looking at? Like you're looking

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Speaker 1: at lawyers. I know you're saying that regular guys go

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Speaker 1: in there, but what is that There must be a

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Speaker 1: clientele that like it's so high end, a high class

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Speaker 1: you'll get hills and your venue, it must pull in

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Speaker 1: a lot of lawyers, doctors, I don't know, government people.

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Speaker 2: I mean it does, but we also have you know,

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Speaker 2: since we are so big, every like Friday Saturday shift

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Speaker 2: there is like five hundred people coming in, so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred people.

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00:23:27,201 --> 00:23:30,241
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So there are.

446
00:23:30,201 --> 00:23:35,321
Speaker 2: Like like the clients are like divers group, so that

447
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: are like lawyers, they are construction workers.

448
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 3: Sometimes we have like disabled people.

449
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes to have women coming in, So it's like very diverse,

450
00:23:46,761 --> 00:23:48,401
Speaker 2: so there's not like one type.

451
00:23:49,321 --> 00:23:51,561
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a client tell that it's coming

452
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: in that you need to hide that you can't let

453
00:23:54,201 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: the public see you have many of them?

454
00:23:56,761 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, not many like these these clients, they usually tend

455
00:24:01,921 --> 00:24:05,521
Speaker 2: to stay on like independent with the independent with the

456
00:24:05,561 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 2: independent escorts, so they don't like to hang out in such.

457
00:24:11,281 --> 00:24:12,521
Speaker 3: A crowded places.

458
00:24:12,921 --> 00:24:16,321
Speaker 2: But sometimes we do and we have like how this

459
00:24:16,321 --> 00:24:18,321
Speaker 2: this called like a secret back door?

460
00:24:19,441 --> 00:24:22,481
Speaker 3: Yeah, us to enter the club.

461
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,321
Speaker 1: So what's the fame most famous person you've had, like

462
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:31,121
Speaker 1: without naming him, I mean we.

463
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: Have a lot of like hockey players, football players or

464
00:24:34,921 --> 00:24:37,961
Speaker 2: MMA hockey hockey players.

465
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,521
Speaker 1: Now see now now I'm trying to think about which

466
00:24:40,521 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: country this could be now because you've said hockey, so

467
00:24:44,721 --> 00:24:46,521
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think it because hockey is not big

468
00:24:46,561 --> 00:24:47,601
Speaker 1: all over the world.

469
00:24:48,281 --> 00:24:50,081
Speaker 3: I mean it's pretty big here in Europe.

470
00:24:51,001 --> 00:24:53,321
Speaker 1: What's the wea theest thing you've come across working in

471
00:24:53,321 --> 00:24:53,921
Speaker 1: this industry.

472
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,041
Speaker 2: I mean one of the customers he came in with

473
00:24:57,241 --> 00:25:01,281
Speaker 2: like this big polar bear costume and he wanted to.

474
00:25:01,321 --> 00:25:02,801
Speaker 3: Play Eskimo role play.

475
00:25:03,201 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: So I think that was very beautif yeah, it was

476
00:25:07,441 --> 00:25:09,441
Speaker 2: really like huge ward, very costume.

477
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

478
00:25:10,921 --> 00:25:15,281
Speaker 4: Yeah, as this as working there ever changed you in

479
00:25:15,321 --> 00:25:17,561
Speaker 4: a way where I don't take this strong way, but

480
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 4: you ever thought this this is a bit different.

481
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: You've never wanted to try yourself now just managing well.

482
00:25:26,201 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: I don't think I would be a good sex worker.

483
00:25:27,921 --> 00:25:29,521
Speaker 2: Actually I think I'm a better manager.

484
00:25:32,561 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: That's a good answer.

485
00:25:34,281 --> 00:25:36,201
Speaker 3: Every work kind of changes you.

486
00:25:36,241 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: So now I can definitely appreciate more the relationships because before,

487
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: before like joining the sex industry as a manager, I

488
00:25:45,241 --> 00:25:51,001
Speaker 2: had this very not narrow, but definitely like more narrow

489
00:25:51,801 --> 00:25:57,041
Speaker 2: vision of the the relationships. The monogam is relationship. People

490
00:25:57,041 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: are cheating each other, that's another thing. But now I

491
00:26:00,961 --> 00:26:05,521
Speaker 2: can three. Now I can really appreciate, you know, open

492
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,641
Speaker 2: relationship and the people that are thinking the relationship and

493
00:26:09,761 --> 00:26:12,401
Speaker 2: there's like no sex involved, but they still have each other.

494
00:26:13,681 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: So definitely I can appreciate more like those type of

495
00:26:17,521 --> 00:26:23,321
Speaker 2: non traditional relationship now. But I was like about sex anyway,

496
00:26:23,441 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 2: but this relationship, you know, I I saw like a

497
00:26:29,681 --> 00:26:33,881
Speaker 2: lot of the relationship arrangements over the past nine years.

498
00:26:34,281 --> 00:26:40,281
Speaker 1: Yeah, and neither girls who work there or rent rooms

499
00:26:39,681 --> 00:26:42,521
Speaker 1: have they ever had any partners where they found out

500
00:26:43,241 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: that they're working behind their partners back and turned up

501
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: at the venue.

502
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

503
00:26:47,801 --> 00:26:51,281
Speaker 3: So we have a girls and they have husbands. Sometimes

504
00:26:51,281 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 3: the husbands they know, sometimes they don't.

505
00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: But I think I never experienced the situation when the

506
00:27:00,761 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 2: husbands would find out because the girls they are like

507
00:27:02,761 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: very good at conceiving it.

508
00:27:05,761 --> 00:27:10,041
Speaker 3: So I think I never experienced this husband would find out.

509
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,561
Speaker 1: Wow, what about like as the girls, like a lot

510
00:27:15,561 --> 00:27:18,881
Speaker 1: of the girls they're in the industry. These girls who

511
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: are in the industry that there to either make money

512
00:27:21,441 --> 00:27:24,841
Speaker 1: to get to either get out the industry and make

513
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,761
Speaker 1: for the better for themselves or then you've got some

514
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,121
Speaker 1: girls who make the money and spend it as soon

515
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,041
Speaker 1: as they get it. M So, do you have any

516
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,121
Speaker 1: counselors like who talk to them to give them advice?

517
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,961
Speaker 1: You know, so you know, like they're making a lot

518
00:27:39,961 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: of money a night and a week, so you know,

519
00:27:42,721 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: to help them with this money. What what would you

520
00:27:44,721 --> 00:27:46,561
Speaker 1: have you got people by their side to say, you know,

521
00:27:46,761 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: maybe you should look after your money this way instead

522
00:27:48,681 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: of spending it. Is there any girls there who are

523
00:27:50,721 --> 00:27:53,321
Speaker 1: spending it on drugs and then you know they've got

524
00:27:53,321 --> 00:27:54,561
Speaker 1: no money at the end of the week and then

525
00:27:54,561 --> 00:27:57,201
Speaker 1: that you know, I don't know, but this is.

526
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:03,561
Speaker 2: Actually not something that we experience because the girls they

527
00:28:03,561 --> 00:28:05,641
Speaker 2: need to pay the rent, but any to pay print

528
00:28:05,681 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: in advance. So it kind of you need to have

529
00:28:09,761 --> 00:28:14,481
Speaker 2: some sort of like planning around it because some part

530
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,801
Speaker 2: of your income you need to already invest to pay

531
00:28:18,801 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: the rooms. And so we we as a place. I mean,

532
00:28:23,321 --> 00:28:25,201
Speaker 2: I know that I work in a very privileged place,

533
00:28:26,001 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: so we don't we don't meet a lot of women

534
00:28:28,801 --> 00:28:32,161
Speaker 2: on drugs, you know, with alcohol problems. I know that

535
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,321
Speaker 2: those women are in the spax industry, but we don't

536
00:28:35,321 --> 00:28:39,601
Speaker 2: need it so often almost like never, Like most most

537
00:28:39,641 --> 00:28:42,641
Speaker 2: of our workers, they don't even drink. When they are

538
00:28:42,681 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: spending the money, they are usually buying the flags, you know,

539
00:28:46,521 --> 00:28:50,681
Speaker 2: the the departments that they rent, and sometimes occasionally, you know,

540
00:28:50,801 --> 00:28:53,561
Speaker 2: they go to some very high end store and they

541
00:28:53,641 --> 00:28:57,801
Speaker 2: just buy themselves twenty zero worth I.

542
00:28:57,801 --> 00:28:59,321
Speaker 3: Don't know, first or something.

543
00:29:01,881 --> 00:29:04,121
Speaker 2: It's too much, you know, and they are like, no,

544
00:29:04,281 --> 00:29:07,361
Speaker 2: I wanted to keep I'm so happy, so whatever, you know,

545
00:29:07,521 --> 00:29:09,801
Speaker 2: But like usually they are like very responsible with the

546
00:29:09,841 --> 00:29:13,201
Speaker 2: money because like working with fast means that you also

547
00:29:13,241 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: need to have this planning ar ound money because you

548
00:29:16,521 --> 00:29:19,281
Speaker 2: can't spend it because if you mean, you can, but

549
00:29:19,441 --> 00:29:21,761
Speaker 2: if you spend like everything, then you don't have the

550
00:29:21,801 --> 00:29:23,081
Speaker 2: money to pay another rent.

551
00:29:23,441 --> 00:29:26,601
Speaker 1: So so, what's what's the average age of the of

552
00:29:26,641 --> 00:29:28,641
Speaker 1: the girls? They're like, what do they start at eighteen?

553
00:29:28,721 --> 00:29:30,401
Speaker 1: To walk to age?

554
00:29:30,921 --> 00:29:35,161
Speaker 2: No, I would say, like the average average age in

555
00:29:35,201 --> 00:29:36,921
Speaker 2: which they start it's like twenty.

556
00:29:36,641 --> 00:29:40,241
Speaker 3: Five, okay, but I like average is like around thirty

557
00:29:40,761 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: something like this.

558
00:29:42,321 --> 00:29:46,121
Speaker 2: I think the old that works way fast is around sixty.

559
00:29:46,321 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: And she looks amazing.

560
00:29:47,601 --> 00:29:52,321
Speaker 2: She looks amazing and she's making a fortune.

561
00:29:53,641 --> 00:29:56,241
Speaker 1: What what's your goal? Now you've been there for ten years,

562
00:29:56,401 --> 00:29:59,841
Speaker 1: not nine years, sorry, nine years? Are you still enjoying

563
00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:02,121
Speaker 1: it like you did the first time you have a work?

564
00:30:02,201 --> 00:30:02,401
Speaker 4: It?

565
00:30:02,441 --> 00:30:04,601
Speaker 1: Is it still that you still enjoying it?

566
00:30:04,601 --> 00:30:05,841
Speaker 3: It's it's still good.

567
00:30:07,281 --> 00:30:09,001
Speaker 2: As I said, I was feeling like a little bit

568
00:30:09,001 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: burned out because after so many years, you start to

569
00:30:12,761 --> 00:30:15,441
Speaker 2: feel like everything is the same. There's like not too

570
00:30:15,441 --> 00:30:19,401
Speaker 2: many things that would surprise me anymore so, and I

571
00:30:19,481 --> 00:30:22,641
Speaker 2: know that I can handle like everything, so it's.

572
00:30:22,481 --> 00:30:27,401
Speaker 3: Not challenging so much. But I still want to stay

573
00:30:27,401 --> 00:30:28,041
Speaker 3: in the industry.

574
00:30:28,081 --> 00:30:31,841
Speaker 2: I can't imagine myself working as a manager in a

575
00:30:31,921 --> 00:30:32,841
Speaker 2: bank or something.

576
00:30:33,441 --> 00:30:35,121
Speaker 3: I find it like very.

577
00:30:36,481 --> 00:30:38,721
Speaker 2: I don't want to sound mean, but I just find

578
00:30:38,721 --> 00:30:42,201
Speaker 2: it like very you know, boring.

579
00:30:42,681 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: Would you ever open it? Would you ever open your

580
00:30:44,521 --> 00:30:45,001
Speaker 1: own brothel?

581
00:30:46,881 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: Not?

582
00:30:47,721 --> 00:30:47,921
Speaker 2: Not?

583
00:30:47,961 --> 00:30:50,001
Speaker 3: Probably not because it's a lot of paperwork.

584
00:30:50,041 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: You know.

585
00:30:50,361 --> 00:30:52,041
Speaker 3: I like to be a manager, you now.

586
00:30:52,081 --> 00:30:54,161
Speaker 2: I like to be around people and I can see

587
00:30:54,201 --> 00:30:55,361
Speaker 2: the owners what they do.

588
00:30:55,721 --> 00:30:59,281
Speaker 3: It's like paperwork. So this is this is something that

589
00:30:59,361 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: I want to do.

590
00:31:00,001 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: You know. I still want to stay in touch with

591
00:31:02,601 --> 00:31:05,121
Speaker 2: the with the people in the industry.

592
00:31:05,761 --> 00:31:06,361
Speaker 1: But I can.

593
00:31:06,441 --> 00:31:11,281
Speaker 2: Imagine myself like having some sort of collexuury swingers party.

594
00:31:11,601 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: This is something that I will do in the future,

595
00:31:13,961 --> 00:31:16,681
Speaker 2: maybe not so far. I want to stay in the industry.

596
00:31:16,721 --> 00:31:20,121
Speaker 2: I can't imagine myself by going to some different industry.

597
00:31:20,921 --> 00:31:24,881
Speaker 1: Wow, what about what about over like because it's one

598
00:31:24,921 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: hundred girls? Is it just is it girls? Or is

599
00:31:28,001 --> 00:31:30,481
Speaker 1: it and you said lesbians before? But is there men

600
00:31:30,561 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: there or not? Like men selling themselves? It's just just emails?

601
00:31:34,321 --> 00:31:36,521
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's just it's just women.

602
00:31:37,081 --> 00:31:37,361
Speaker 2: Wow.

603
00:31:37,841 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: Okay, I remember that we used to have like a

604
00:31:40,241 --> 00:31:41,081
Speaker 3: few trans people.

605
00:31:41,121 --> 00:31:41,721
Speaker 1: That was cool.

606
00:31:42,321 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 3: They weren't make so much money as they were used to.

607
00:31:49,121 --> 00:31:52,361
Speaker 1: Wow, it's very interesting, like what you've said, like like

608
00:31:53,001 --> 00:31:56,321
Speaker 1: what we've been, especially how different it is compared to

609
00:31:56,401 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: the the brothels that I know in this country, Like

610
00:32:00,361 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: I can't believe how how well run yours is that

611
00:32:03,361 --> 00:32:07,281
Speaker 1: it has no like especially I'm amazed with there's no

612
00:32:07,401 --> 00:32:11,881
Speaker 1: gang officiation with with your place. That's so weird because

613
00:32:12,641 --> 00:32:16,601
Speaker 1: like virtually every place I know, there's somebody in the

614
00:32:16,681 --> 00:32:19,041
Speaker 1: underworld who has something to do with a brothel.

615
00:32:20,241 --> 00:32:23,081
Speaker 2: I mean to me, it's very weird to imagine that

616
00:32:23,161 --> 00:32:26,041
Speaker 2: I will be connected to some mafia like gangs.

617
00:32:26,601 --> 00:32:29,841
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing because that's the first I've ever heard

618
00:32:29,881 --> 00:32:32,321
Speaker 1: of a brothel, never been a social But you know,

619
00:32:32,361 --> 00:32:34,361
Speaker 1: as I said, maybe it's it's different in every country.

620
00:32:34,401 --> 00:32:37,721
Speaker 1: So well, thank you for coming on the podcast like that.

621
00:32:37,721 --> 00:32:42,441
Speaker 1: That was a pretty amazing And you know what, that's

622
00:32:42,481 --> 00:32:46,441
Speaker 1: opened up my eyes to how brothels are differently because

623
00:32:46,441 --> 00:32:51,641
Speaker 1: I know brothels in the UK and definitely no, they

624
00:32:51,641 --> 00:32:56,241
Speaker 1: are not legal. Yes I know, yes, I know, but

625
00:32:56,681 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: I've never I've never come across a brothel yes that

626
00:32:59,281 --> 00:33:03,881
Speaker 1: has a hundred rooms, like that's that's insane. Yeah, I

627
00:33:03,921 --> 00:33:07,681
Speaker 1: know that we are wow, Like, what is that? Is

628
00:33:07,681 --> 00:33:11,681
Speaker 1: there anything else in in this in this in this venue?

629
00:33:11,921 --> 00:33:12,561
Speaker 1: Is it just room?

630
00:33:12,601 --> 00:33:12,641
Speaker 2: So?

631
00:33:12,841 --> 00:33:14,601
Speaker 1: Is that like and there's a bar downstairs, but is

632
00:33:14,641 --> 00:33:17,121
Speaker 1: there anything else? Well, thank you very much for coming on.

633
00:33:17,921 --> 00:33:20,801
Speaker 1: That was very interesting. I actually enjoyed that. Thank you

634
00:33:20,881 --> 00:33:21,601
Speaker 1: for coming on here.

635
00:33:22,081 --> 00:33:33,921
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Okay, thank you m m h.