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Speaker 1: From the Australian. This is the weekend edition of The Front.

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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Harvey. Marty Supreme has been labeled the cinematic

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Speaker 1: event of the year by Jordie Gray, a writer at

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Speaker 1: The Australian and my guest on today's show. The movie

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Speaker 1: star Timothy Schallomey is up for a Best Actor Oscar

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Speaker 1: in this frenetic nineteen fifties ping pong thriller, Chalomey plays

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Speaker 1: a young Jewish New Yorker trying to make a life

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Speaker 1: for himself in a community still reeling from the Holocaust

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Speaker 1: and almost ready to laugh about it. Marty Supreme debut

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Speaker 1: at number one in Australian cinemas and theaters are packed

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Speaker 1: with young viewers, all creating the biggest buzz we've seen

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Speaker 1: since Barbenheimer in July twenty twenty three. Today, Jeordie helps

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Speaker 1: me unpack this bedazzling piece of cinema with some help

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Speaker 1: from director Josh Safti. It's hard to nail down a

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Speaker 1: genre for Marty Supreme.

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Speaker 2: Discussing I'm back from my trip. This is over. I'm

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Speaker 2: not coming back here and doing this. Speaking of which,

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Speaker 2: we settle now. I gotta buy my plane.

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Speaker 1: Things there are moments of levity my lunch break. You'll

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Speaker 1: never come back after your lunch break.

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Speaker 2: That's what you think of me? Yes, you think I

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Speaker 2: would go.

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Speaker 1: In it, but it's not a comedy. The lead character,

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Speaker 1: Marty Mauser played by Timothy Shallomey, is a ping pong prodigy,

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Speaker 1: but this is no Rocky N's winding out mister Mason.

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Speaker 1: There's romance, sort of, but it's more sex as a

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Speaker 1: means to an end than gone with the wind. Marty

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Speaker 1: Mauser is similarly hard to pin down. He's selfish and charming.

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Speaker 2: You knows something of a performer too, are you? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you don't believe me? Who are?

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Speaker 1: He's handsome but completely untrustworthy that I'm telling you this

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Speaker 1: game at fills stadiums overseas. Mausa is a dreamer and

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Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time before I'm staring at

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Speaker 1: you from the cover of a Wheaty's bus. And his

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Speaker 1: life is a nightmare. He's Jordy Gray. In conversation with

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Speaker 1: director Josh Safti.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I love most about your movies is

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Speaker 2: that your characters don't just make bad choices, they sort

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Speaker 2: of double down on them.

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Speaker 3: I think they're good choices. Really they're making a bad choice.

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Speaker 3: Because no one makes a bad choice. It's perceived as

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Speaker 3: bad or it ends up being bad. Sometimes he makes

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Speaker 3: the best possible choice for his dream, which might be

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Speaker 3: a bad choice for other people. Yeah, and consequences, and

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Speaker 3: the movie is about consequence in general, and youth allows

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Speaker 3: you to think that there are no such thing as consequences, Jeordie.

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Speaker 1: I thought I would start this interview by reading you

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Speaker 1: some of the comments on your story about Marty Supreme.

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Speaker 1: This is always slightly dangerous territory. But Helen said, saw

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Speaker 1: this movie last night, Absolutely fab messy. But that's the point.

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Speaker 1: Surely a meditation on the Great American Dream. MG said,

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Speaker 1: saw it yesterday. An absolute dog of a movie, with

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Speaker 1: sincere apologies to dogs. It presents as a series of

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Speaker 1: incoherent short stories loosely tied around one central character who

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Speaker 1: is very easy to dislike. What did you think of

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Speaker 1: Marty Supreme as a viewer?

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Speaker 2: First, I absolutely loved it, but I am a fan

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Speaker 2: of the Safti's really hectic, frantic filmmaking. I imagine for

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Speaker 2: people that don't like to feel like they're being assaulted

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Speaker 2: at the cinema, it's not fun. But if you want

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Speaker 2: to feel something, in this case mostly anxiety, that is

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Speaker 1: It is a very stress full watching experience because it's

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Speaker 1: about a central character, Marty Mauser, a table tennis champ

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Speaker 1: who's based on a real life character who is striving

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Speaker 1: something of himself, to become a superstar. He is willing

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Speaker 1: to do anything to meet that goal. Isn't here. It's

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Speaker 2: Still swindle, lie everything.

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Speaker 1: Come onus, learn from me. The movie starts with him

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Speaker 1: getting his girlfriend pregnant in a back room of the

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Speaker 2: His girlfriend who hasn't actually his girlfriend, but a childhood

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Speaker 2: sweetheart who is married to another man who is quite

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Speaker 2: a brute. I wouldn't want a cross.

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Speaker 1: No, there's a formula for how big studios promote giant movies,

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Speaker 1: but for Marty Supreme, Timothy Challamey has rewritten it. He

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Speaker 1: did the standard magazine covers and talk shows, but he

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Speaker 3: If I go on Jimmy Phone, I want to see

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Speaker 3: Mardy Supreme Christmas Day on Mary Supreme Chrismas Day, Righty

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Speaker 3: Supreme Christmas. Hey, Timothy's anything interesting.

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Speaker 2: Happened to you in your life?

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Speaker 3: The last complement Marty Supreme Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Day giant orange ping pong ball stunts. They pulled an

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Speaker 1: cosmetics billionaire Kylie Jenner to wear matching bright orange outfits

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Speaker 1: on a red carpet and check out. Chalame's bag is

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Speaker 1: the shape of a ping pong cattle. YEA graysulation says,

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Speaker 1: that is a great jacket you're wearing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, I think one of the best marketing jobs

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Speaker 3: of any film I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: You've done a fantastic job with.

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Speaker 3: This movie, man, I appreciate it, Jimmy, and honestly, just

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Speaker 3: getting this platform for the.

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Speaker 2: Movie, this specific promotional campaign has been so fun, crucially

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Speaker 2: and also so culturally fluent. It's not just Timothy that's

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Speaker 2: behind it, though. He tapped this Glaswegian director and photographer

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Speaker 2: called Aidan Zamiri, who also works with Billie Eilish, Charlie

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Speaker 2: XCX of The Globe Conquering Brat, and this Swedish rapper

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Speaker 2: young Leen Sami and Schallomey started working together for Charala

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Speaker 2: May's last movie, A Complete Unknown, the bubb Villain biopic,

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Speaker 2: and he was responsible for the videos of like Timothy

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Speaker 2: Shallomey dancing outside the Eiffel Tower and choreographed his arrival

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Speaker 2: to the London premiere on an e bike. It's just

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Speaker 2: these weird moments that are design to go viral.

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Speaker 1: The Marty Supreme marketing just got so much crazier because

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Speaker 1: Timothy Chalomey is the first person to ever be on

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Speaker 1: the Las Vegas spear, Like, yeah, we got a watch?

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Speaker 2: Are Supreme is an American film Christmas? It's just an

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Speaker 2: interesting media study. But I also to that point, don't

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Speaker 2: think that's the only reason the film was successful. Marty's

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Speaker 2: Supreme is the perfect object for a kind of film

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Speaker 2: culture that blossomed during the pandemic. Platforms, especially Letterboxed, which

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Speaker 2: is like a New Zealand owned movie logging platform, took off.

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Speaker 2: Excuse younger. I think eighteen to thirty four is the

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Speaker 2: age bracket young, very online, very taste conscious, Like it

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Speaker 2: just like a comfort but also a sort of competition.

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Speaker 2: In a sense, going to the movies has now been

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Speaker 2: gamified because you are incentivized to sort of see it

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Speaker 2: it's just packed with eighteen to thirty four year olds,

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Speaker 2: because that they're all part of this culture.

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Speaker 1: Marty Mauser is loosely based on real life Jewish table

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Speaker 1: tennis champ Marty Reisman. Josh Safti is Jewish and so

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Speaker 1: is Challa May. Marty Supreme is set less than a

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Speaker 1: decade after World War Two, and Chalamae's character reckons that

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Speaker 1: a scene where the main character Mighty Mouses Ping Pong

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Speaker 1: They're talking about how he's going to crush him in

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Speaker 1: to him what Auschwitz couldn't achieve, and then the other

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Speaker 1: as horrifying to watch as it sounds. And around me

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Speaker 1: people did not know how to react to that. They

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Speaker 2: I do think it was a It was a laughter,

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Speaker 2: don't know how to respond to what you're seeing. I

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Speaker 2: just like, I guess your body betraying you, stress response,

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Speaker 2: stress response exactly. So, yeah, there was a little bit

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Speaker 2: that walloping Holocaust line that you just never ever hear

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Speaker 2: lines like that in a movie. But yes, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Marty Supreme's script does a lot to establish time and place,

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Speaker 1: but the casting really seals the deal. Here's Josh Saftie

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Speaker 1: talking to Jordie Gray.

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Speaker 3: Someone like Frand Dresher, for example.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've got to make Magnie beautiful. Yeah, like that's

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Speaker 3: I wanted to cast somebody who immediately communicated New York Judaism,

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Speaker 1: There's been some reporting Beaswake a story that's been around

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Speaker 1: for a while, brothers seem to have had a feud

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Speaker 1: or certainly separated them making projects separately. The story this

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Speaker 1: between the Safety brothers. That seems to me like it

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Speaker 1: might be an attempt to stop Josh Safty winning an

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Speaker 1: Oscar or in an Oscar campaign season. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't speculate on what is true or not, but

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Speaker 2: it is interesting that the brothers then made another movie

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Speaker 2: and then they made uncut jams. But what is interesting

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Speaker 2: in the timing, You know, Oscar season has a long

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Speaker 2: tradition of reputational sabotage films build momentum, they're tipped for

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Speaker 2: Best Picture, and then suddenly a controversy emerges. Last year

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Speaker 2: we had The Brutalist and its use of AI on

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Speaker 2: Adrian Brady's Hungarian accent. I think the year before we

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Speaker 2: was accused of plagiarism. This all stems back to Jump Scare,

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Speaker 2: Harvey Weinstein and Miramax. In the nineties, his campaigning became

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Speaker 2: ruthlessly strategic. You know, some people say that's why Gwyneth

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Speaker 1: In Love over Saving Private Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but whether or not this particular story is meaningful,

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Speaker 2: it fits a familiar pattern. You know, once a film

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Speaker 1: Coming up. How do you even make a film like this?

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Speaker 2: It's every man f himself where I come from.

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Speaker 1: That's just how I grew up. Ambition, drive, self determination,

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you something, What do you plan to

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Speaker 2: do if this whole dream of yours doesn't work? It?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't even enter my consciousness?

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Speaker 1: He's Josh Safety again.

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Speaker 3: I'm a very very anxious person, but I am a

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Speaker 3: dreamer and Marty's dream is different. He believes that if

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Speaker 3: he can do this thing, he can change the world.

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Speaker 3: He believes he has a purpose, and that conviction that

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Speaker 3: Is very similar to filmmaking. You know, I have to

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Speaker 3: have a blind ambition. I have to otherwise, no one

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Speaker 3: wants a movie to exist. You have to will it

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Speaker 1: Timothy Schellum is missed out on Oscar twice before he's

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Speaker 1: nominated for Best Actor for Marty Supreme. Do you think

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Speaker 1: he deserves it?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? I think this particular best actor race is between

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Speaker 2: him and Leonardo DiCaprio. Leonardo DiCaprio is predictably amazing, but

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Speaker 2: one battle after another is an ensemble piece, and Marty

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Speaker 2: Supreme is a vehicle for Timothy Chalmay to deliver the

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Speaker 2: performance of a lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Jordie Gray is an entertainment reporter with The Australian. You

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Speaker 1: can read her story on Martysupreme at the Australian dot

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Speaker 1: com dot a U slash culture. This episode of the

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Speaker 1: Front was hosted by me Claire Harvey and produced by

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Speaker 1: Jasper Leek. Thanks for joining us on the Front this week.

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Speaker 1: Our team also includes Kristin amyot le At, Samaglue, Tiffany

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Speaker 1: Yamac and Joshua Burton.