Speaker 1: Today we're recording on Gadigul Country and.
Speaker 2: We'd like to pay our respects to the traditional custodians
Speaker 2: of the Gaetgol people. I know you've got to dig this.
Speaker 2: It's like I've been given like an extra sprinkle of something.
Speaker 1: You've got layers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got layers.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking.
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're just such beautiful storytellers.
Speaker 2: You're making a lot of sense to that girl. No,
Speaker 2: I'm done. I've been too honest to go this gay Christmas, gays.
Speaker 1: All that fuck is more.
Speaker 2: It is gay Christmas here in Sydney and the Marti Gras,
Speaker 2: it's in its forty seventh year, has kicked off. It
Speaker 2: always kicks off with fair Day and I was a
Speaker 2: part of that day.
Speaker 1: It was great we have fair Day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, yeah, but I didn't see you. I
Speaker 2: did walk past the Mecca. You're with Mecca, right, but
Speaker 2: I think you might have been gone because I looked
Speaker 2: in and you weren't there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was only between two thirty to five.
Speaker 2: Did you then walk around and like experience the day?
Speaker 1: No, I was so cooked.
Speaker 3: I flew in, got my makeup done like three times
Speaker 3: by Max made and then left.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because I saw Max.
Speaker 3: Yeah he was still around, but I didn't have the
Speaker 3: right appropriate shoes and plus me wasn't kind of dressed
Speaker 3: to do fair day. She was like, nah, I'm in
Speaker 3: like gym where I'm like and yeah, like whatever, but
Speaker 3: she wasn't feeling it, so we left.
Speaker 1: But we just had a little little night in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh nice, So tell me, Marti Gras. It is
Speaker 2: obviously like an amazing time for our community. It is
Speaker 2: such a pivotal moment when it comes to like the
Speaker 2: history of our community as well. It's definitely built from
Speaker 2: protests and yeah, you know, the seventy eight ers are such.
Speaker 1: A I know it is still part of it marching
Speaker 1: to this day.
Speaker 2: The legacy, you know, everything that they I know, but
Speaker 2: like sometimes when I look at them, I think, wow,
Speaker 2: you must have seen so much change over the years,
Speaker 2: you know, positive change, Like the community wasn't always as
Speaker 2: accepted as it is now. But I want to ask you,
Speaker 2: what is your like favorite Marti Gras memory. Let's kick
Speaker 2: off with our favorite and then we can talk about
Speaker 2: some of them not so favorite.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, sos and peaks and pits yep, oh okay,
Speaker 3: Well I kind of only really watched Marti Garral on
Speaker 3: TV maybe in my like mid twenties, oh no, early twenties,
Speaker 3: early twenties, and then I went in my mid twenties.
Speaker 3: So my first ever Marti Gras was with are You Okay?
Speaker 3: And that was post Batchelor and so that was like
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: I went.
Speaker 3: I was actually in a heteronormative relationship. I was with
Speaker 3: Nick two point zero and I went with are You
Speaker 3: Okay to March and I was meant to be on
Speaker 3: the float, but I ended up doing an interview with
Speaker 3: Courtney Act.
Speaker 1: So I was like running to this like the.
Speaker 3: Little TV setup where they and I'd say, honestly, one
Speaker 3: of my favorite moments to this day was meeting Samantha
Speaker 3: Jade in the green room.
Speaker 1: And she knew who I was.
Speaker 3: Okay, and her mum was a fan, Oh wow, And
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, my god from.
Speaker 1: Perth in there from Perth, So I was like, this
Speaker 1: is awesome.
Speaker 3: That was my That was my like, my my biggest
Speaker 3: highlight I think of not and I guess also meeting
Speaker 3: g Filip for the first time. Yeah that was yeah,
Speaker 3: that was really fun.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Marti Gras. There is like there's
Speaker 2: so many crossovers with people in the community. You know,
Speaker 2: you're always running to someone you know, you meet someone
Speaker 2: who you've been looking up to for years. I'm sure
Speaker 2: that would have happened to you many times, like a
Speaker 2: lot of people would have come up to you and
Speaker 2: said hello.
Speaker 3: Kind of it was so weird that I mean back
Speaker 3: in the day when I was marching and you know, you're.
Speaker 1: Like, it's such a high.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you've marched a few times in your life,
Speaker 3: so you know, people are yelling at from the gates
Speaker 3: and you kind of like run over and give them
Speaker 3: a hug and a kiss, to take a photo and
Speaker 3: then you kind of back and exciting, like it's just
Speaker 3: a nice, really wholesome vibe and it's just so filled
Speaker 3: with so much love. But yeah, what was your pinink
Speaker 3: of Marti Gras?
Speaker 2: Oh? My pink of Marty gra has to be when
Speaker 2: I've been like hosting, because I feel like, even though
Speaker 2: it's work, it's so much fun because you get to
Speaker 2: go and talk to everyone, so it's like you have
Speaker 2: a mic. People want to open up and share their story.
Speaker 2: So it's like my first year, I remember running along
Speaker 2: with n TV and I was marching with the Darwin float,
Speaker 2: so it was the theme was like crocodile, so everything.
Speaker 1: Was like big swamp princess, that's me.
Speaker 2: And so I was like with Benny Gratz miscellaneous marzipan.
Speaker 2: And the funniest thing happened. The generator that was on
Speaker 2: the back of the Northern Territory Floats ute actually broke down.
Speaker 2: And so just visualize this, so it's broken down. All
Speaker 2: the things that were blown up had like deflated, blated,
Speaker 2: and you can see these two drag queens trying to
Speaker 2: start this generator like a lord the heels, trying to
Speaker 2: rip it out like this, and it was just such
Speaker 2: a funny thing to see. But that year I was
Speaker 2: like running along and you know, every time I stopped
Speaker 2: to talk to someone, they was so excited to be
Speaker 2: on camera and to share their story and they would
Speaker 2: maybe share a kiss with their partner or say I
Speaker 2: love you mom at home. You know, So like there
Speaker 2: was this like elation that I felt like in that
Speaker 2: moment that I was like, wow, it actually was my
Speaker 2: first ever hosting gig, and it's what made me fall
Speaker 2: in love with sharing people's stories.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that. That's like such a.
Speaker 3: Moment in your career as well, go down like was
Speaker 3: one of your highlights. But then also just that vibe.
Speaker 3: You can't recreate that, I know, you know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean, not that first time so special, so so special.
Speaker 2: But this year the theme is free to be What
Speaker 2: do you think of the theme? To me?
Speaker 1: Fair?
Speaker 3: Do you know I'm might be a bad gay? But
Speaker 3: like I only knew the theme this morning when I
Speaker 3: was reading an article.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, I mean, look, you.
Speaker 3: Don't hate me. I didn't even know. I honestly have
Speaker 3: just not my books just come out. I've just been
Speaker 3: so focused on that. I've worked. I've just started working
Speaker 3: back with the kids.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: The podcast is obviously starting up again. You know we've
Speaker 3: started season three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, season three. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot happening in my life. But not
Speaker 3: saying that I don't love manigraph, but I just haven't
Speaker 3: really been focused on it total.
Speaker 2: That's fine. I mean, not every year has to be
Speaker 2: the year that you put your all into Marti Gras.
Speaker 2: This year, I'm actually not even going to be here,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to go away. Well, I decided
Speaker 2: that this year I'm going to just go away and
Speaker 2: book and Airbnb and take myself to the coast, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I dipped my toe in at the start of
Speaker 2: the festival, which is Fair Day, and not every year
Speaker 2: that we did the parade big. Last year we went
Speaker 2: and we were at the VP viewing area with Destination
Speaker 2: New South Wales were right like right at the top
Speaker 2: of Taylor Square, got the best vantage point. Like we
Speaker 2: really did a big last year and it was amazing.
Speaker 2: But the year before and the year before that, you know,
Speaker 2: World Pride another massive, massive year for us. So I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm just gonna take a break. I'm not gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, do the parade. I was going to commit
Speaker 2: to the first Nation's float this year, but I just
Speaker 2: think at this point I just had to put myself
Speaker 2: first and I think I'm just like in this mode
Speaker 2: of protecting my peace, so I don't want anything that's
Speaker 2: gonna like sort of ruffle the feathers of my routine
Speaker 2: and structure at the moment. So I'm like, very much, yeah,
Speaker 2: very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Keane on just having like a low key weekend with
Speaker 2: my partner, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean that, you know, you can you can have
Speaker 3: that type of maighty gra as well, like to not
Speaker 3: you know, just on a the fact that you can
Speaker 3: go and it can be really chilled. You can watch it,
Speaker 3: but I'd rather just watch it from my house, like
Speaker 3: the comfortable with my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to be in Brisbane as well. I'm
Speaker 1: actually gonna be away.
Speaker 3: I fly into Brisbane Friday, there Saturday, and then home
Speaker 3: that night. So pretty much a big weekend of book stuff,
Speaker 3: which is exciting. I mean, my book is you know,
Speaker 3: celebrates First Nations culture and queer love. So you know,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of doing my own celebration in a different
Speaker 3: way doing that obviously working, but also celebrating the fact
Speaker 3: that this is the second release of that. You know,
Speaker 3: this is my second book. It's a teenage fiction. That's
Speaker 3: the audience that i'd love to be, you know, catering for.
Speaker 3: And I mean, you know, as much as I would
Speaker 3: love to be at Mardi Gras, my focus is on
Speaker 3: the kids, you know, so like, yeah, but I've had
Speaker 3: some pretty unusual experiences at Marti Graph.
Speaker 1: I'm being on it.
Speaker 3: It's all been love, love, you know, beautiful celebration, acceptance.
Speaker 3: But then I've had some moments that have been some
Speaker 3: quite triggering to be fair with you, I worked with
Speaker 3: a brand, which I will never do again. MARTI grap
Speaker 3: for me, is going to be moving forward? Is I
Speaker 3: think going to be? I want to go because I
Speaker 3: want to be with my people and I want to
Speaker 3: like celebrate and I want to like, Yeah, I just
Speaker 3: think for work one, it's just like it's not. In
Speaker 3: my eyes, it's so worth it being there, and it's
Speaker 3: so worth the money as well, if you're being paid,
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's worth the things that I've experienced,
Speaker 3: which I was a couple of years ago. My low
Speaker 3: heart Til can vouch for this. Yeah, I'm going to
Speaker 3: drag her into this, but we went with a brand.
Speaker 3: But the experiences we had were she got fat shamed.
Speaker 3: The first five minutes of us meeting our team.
Speaker 1: What Yeah.
Speaker 3: The one of the ladies who were working for the
Speaker 3: PR company actually turned around and said.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're real confident wearing that.
Speaker 3: Wow, And she was like, well SMARTI grat like and
Speaker 3: she got fat shame.
Speaker 2: That's disgusting.
Speaker 3: The second thing was we're one of the sort of
Speaker 3: higher staff members. I think she was like lead of
Speaker 3: a department, won't name names, uh, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: tokenized me like, oh, this is Brooks, she's my indigenous friend.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Milo was there and I remember looking at
Speaker 3: her being like is this really happening right now in
Speaker 3: this moment? Yeah, And you know a bit sus that,
Speaker 3: you know, three of the girls that were meant to
Speaker 3: be looking after us just kept disappearing and coming back
Speaker 3: and disappearing and coming back and you know, not actually
Speaker 3: looking after us. So yeah, not to out them, but
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, these are experiences that have
Speaker 3: kind of tainted my experience as well, but also like.
Speaker 2: You know, in that moment, were you like why.
Speaker 1: Are these people being a part of the parade?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean did you feel unsafe?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to go. I
Speaker 1: wanted they were meant to be looking after us. I
Speaker 1: was meant to do.
Speaker 3: I did some interviews with Francisco Horn, went to go
Speaker 3: do an interview. They had my phone and my belongings,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden they disappeared.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And they're like, oh, We've taken them back to like
Speaker 3: where the base camp is, and I'm like, how am I.
Speaker 1: Meant to get there?
Speaker 3: That was like a couple of kilometers We walked all here.
Speaker 3: It was just it was horrific. That year was horrific,
Speaker 3: and I really did taint my experience that But it's
Speaker 3: nothing to do with Sydney Marti gra It's actually to
Speaker 3: do with the company.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's probably my pit, like that that's really shitty. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: my crap.
Speaker 2: I totally I think that that's like such a disgusting
Speaker 2: experience and the people obviously don't have any like awareness
Speaker 2: of where they are and what they're doing. Like but
Speaker 2: exactly like what the cultural.
Speaker 3: College whitewashing, isn't it Like it's called brainwashed, pink washing, pink.
Speaker 1: Washing, pink washing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I definitely have a pit for
Speaker 2: Mardi Gras, but it was it's sort of a funny pit.
Speaker 2: When I was my first ever Marti Gras, I was
Speaker 2: like nineteen years old and I was going with my
Speaker 2: friend Oliver and we we were at the We didn't
Speaker 2: know what to wear, so it was like one of
Speaker 2: those things where you're young and like you're not really prepared.
Speaker 2: You probably didn't have the money to buy an outfit,
Speaker 2: so we were like what can we wear? And we
Speaker 2: went into our closet. We were like living together, and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, what should we wear? And he
Speaker 2: was like, well, I've got a white shirt that has stripes.
Speaker 2: You have a white shirt that has stripes and white shorts.
Speaker 2: Why don't we be slutty sailors. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: my god, genius at the age of you know, nineteen,
Speaker 2: thinking that was the coolest outfit ever. So we put
Speaker 2: on these white shorts, these stripy white shirts and just
Speaker 2: rolled up the shorts a little bit and rolled up
Speaker 2: the sleeves and caught ourselves slutty sailors, like absolute fucking losers.
Speaker 2: And anyway, we get to that, we get to the
Speaker 2: after party, and like we had tickets for the after party,
Speaker 2: and we were in line pretty early because we wanted
Speaker 2: to get in. And I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 2: been like sniffed by a sniffer dog. Like I was
Speaker 2: anxiously like in this line, and the sniffer dog wouldn't
Speaker 2: leave me alone. It was really scary. And so I
Speaker 2: was like with my friends and I was like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck is going on? What the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: But I feel like the people around us had drugs
Speaker 2: because I didn't do drugs, Like I was a good
Speaker 2: boy in my teens and somebody around us obviously had
Speaker 2: drugs and the sniffer dog just wouldn't let me go,
Speaker 2: Like it was like, oh did you get in? Well?
Speaker 2: I got in, but I was really scared. Like it
Speaker 2: was such like a terrifying moment for me, as like
Speaker 2: a young, yeah, young quick person first Marty Gras. I
Speaker 2: felt like for some reason, I felt like they were
Speaker 2: they were like really zoning you know me. I might've
Speaker 2: been paranoid, but I just remember feeling so scared and
Speaker 2: nervous that like it sort of ruined my start of
Speaker 2: my Marti Gras. But other than that, I have fucking
Speaker 2: great Marty Grass minograph for me has been awesome. I
Speaker 2: met my first boyfriend at Marti Gras who I was
Speaker 2: with for six years, and the last year taking my
Speaker 2: boyfriend's best friend who came from Columbia to Marti Gras
Speaker 2: and doing the whole VP experience that was also epic.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I've done Marti Gras really well
Speaker 2: over the years, but this year's gonna give me pass. Well.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you what you are looking
Speaker 3: forward to, but if you were going yeah, if we
Speaker 3: were going one, yeah, what would be our outfits be?
Speaker 2: I know what mine would be because I already workshopped
Speaker 2: this with the first Nations float, so I sort of
Speaker 2: agreed to go. I actually did. I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I would love to be a part of it. And
Speaker 2: then I sort of just once I got back into
Speaker 2: my own space and in my own head, and I
Speaker 2: was like, that's probably not the best. This year. I
Speaker 2: was going to wear like a dazzled black lap plap.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, beautiful.
Speaker 2: Everything was black and black explained.
Speaker 1: To what people. People won't know what a lap black is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically the First Nations float theme this year
Speaker 2: was black Royalty, and so Linda Bernie is like Compton
Speaker 2: Baker myself. I think even you were asked. There were
Speaker 2: a few people that were asked to be the six
Speaker 2: sort of the community, I know, very cool, honest, and
Speaker 2: so I was like thinking what I wear, and I
Speaker 2: really felt like, okay, So I really wanted to have
Speaker 2: that intersection of you know, my my sexuality and my
Speaker 2: idolity and my culture, and so I was like a
Speaker 2: lap lap but it was like gland. And then there's
Speaker 2: also this bundy that I that I personally made at
Speaker 2: home when I was in my early twenties, and so
Speaker 2: I made this bundy, and I was like, gonna bedazzle
Speaker 2: the bundy. So I was going to do like a
Speaker 2: bedazzled laplap, which is basically just like a skirt slash. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it looks like it. Honestly, it looks like a nappy.
Speaker 2: Like it has such cultural significance. That's what you wear
Speaker 2: at ceremony. It's what you know, traditionally was worn by
Speaker 2: men in the tribe. It is a piece of cloth
Speaker 2: cloth that goes around the waist, just like jocks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: basically just to cover up your private parts. But I
Speaker 2: was actually thinking that I would do like the front
Speaker 2: would look like a lap lap and the back would
Speaker 2: be like a jock strap.
Speaker 3: That's kind of hard on it, Like it's like this isn't.
Speaker 2: The in the bag. And then I was gonna like
Speaker 2: maybe put on my back like back yeah big, big, big,
Speaker 2: I mean not big. So I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: was looking forward to it. Then I thought, oh, no,
Speaker 2: like I just I just can't get there. I just
Speaker 2: can't do it this year. So that's what I would
Speaker 2: have worn.
Speaker 1: What about you, Oh, I don't. If I was on
Speaker 1: the Blackfellow.
Speaker 3: Flow, I would have yeah, probably tried to you know,
Speaker 3: be dazzle something probably similar, But I mean I have
Speaker 3: varied in my outfits. One year I wore like practically
Speaker 3: like undies and like a strapless top, and then like
Speaker 3: this beaded.
Speaker 2: Dress over the top.
Speaker 1: That was my first year.
Speaker 3: And then my second year I wore like like stockings,
Speaker 3: like this one piece with like it was a long sleep,
Speaker 3: and then like blue boots because I was kind of well,
Speaker 3: I was with a brand and the.
Speaker 1: Colors were blue. But yeah, I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm in my Thai era.
Speaker 3: So I feel like I probably would have done like
Speaker 3: a preppy, preppy vibe, preppy vie. Yeah, I mean like
Speaker 3: preppy rainbow kind of vibe. Okay maybe yeah.
Speaker 2: And so because you're now in a woman, let's go there,
Speaker 2: how is it going? Like do you feel the gay love?
Speaker 1: We do?
Speaker 3: We haven't really spoken about Marti Graf. I'm being honest, like,
Speaker 3: I think Mea is kind of deciding what she wants
Speaker 3: to do. She's flying back, She's coming to Melbourne on Thursday,
Speaker 3: and she is flying back to Sydney on the Friday,
Speaker 3: and I'm flying to Brisbane, So she kind of doesn't
Speaker 3: know what she wants to do. I mean, I've already
Speaker 3: told her I'm away. I'd love for her to come
Speaker 3: to Brisbane obviously for the book stuff, but she does
Speaker 3: have work commitment in life. Yeah, but yeah, it's going good.
Speaker 3: It's really good.
Speaker 2: Oh fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I've seeing each other a lot. I mean
Speaker 3: we're kind of nailing this long distance you yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not going to get to you know, too far.
Speaker 1: I mean we looked you know, now, we'll probably have
Speaker 1: like a joint calendar souit.
Speaker 2: I love that, h well, I mean feeling the love.
Speaker 1: Yeah about you and Danny.
Speaker 3: You're going to go away, so we're going to have
Speaker 3: a wholesome like are you going to like also Ranks.
Speaker 2: I also just spent three grand on Beyonce tickets, I know,
Speaker 2: and so I also I'm about to book my flights
Speaker 2: to Europe for my thirtieth So it's all about like
Speaker 2: just making sure that I'm not overdoing the spending, you
Speaker 2: know as well. So it's like we want to go away,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to like book some lux place,
Speaker 2: so it's going to be like some little shack on
Speaker 2: the beach somewhere.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Actually talking about obviously on the topic of
Speaker 1: Mardi Gars and everything.
Speaker 3: What's it in and out? I think out We've already
Speaker 3: known that was like pinkwashing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what's in?
Speaker 1: What's an inn for Martigra?
Speaker 2: I think an in for Mardi Gras is I definitely
Speaker 2: feel like.
Speaker 1: It's corporates out, corporates out.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think corporates are.
Speaker 3: Needed for money and sponsorships, but their ethics and their
Speaker 3: values need to be on par with what city this year?
Speaker 2: Is that the big corporates who were once a sponsor
Speaker 2: now they're principles and their values don't align with Marti
Speaker 2: Gra which is just ridiculous. And so there they've actually
Speaker 2: just pointed down from being a major organization sponsor. So
Speaker 2: that's Google and Meta that I'm talking about. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: They're read it at the Garden Guardian actually because it
Speaker 3: was a really good article.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that that's obviously come from the
Speaker 2: hierarchy of those organizations and what they've currently they're.
Speaker 3: Protecting, you know, our space I say our as in
Speaker 3: like our queer spaces. They're making sure that whoever align
Speaker 3: in those.
Speaker 2: But you know what the thing is, those organizations stepped down.
Speaker 2: They weren't asked to be removed. So as much as
Speaker 2: my de grass say that they would have, I don't
Speaker 2: know if they would have because of how much input
Speaker 2: those companies have in terms of money. So there's a
Speaker 2: fine balance between like how much you can get from
Speaker 2: someone and what you know that you don't agree with.
Speaker 2: But I think that because Google and Meta stood down themselves,
Speaker 2: they weren't asked to, I think that that shows that
Speaker 2: those companies aren't going to be a safe place for
Speaker 2: queer people. Yeah, especially in the online world social word. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty scary.
Speaker 1: They're just a bit scary.
Speaker 2: Look could they align with Yeah?
Speaker 3: True, yes, So do you do a bit of research, guys,
Speaker 3: because you just never know. That's some really good work
Speaker 3: happening at the moment with I was looking at a
Speaker 3: few pages about, you know, people unpacking what this all
Speaker 3: means politically.
Speaker 1: And then and what it filters down to Australia.
Speaker 3: But yeah, now it's you know, it does affect everyone anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 3: in a way.
Speaker 2: But you know what, put that aside for the weekend
Speaker 2: and go and have a great Marti gras we will
Speaker 2: be there in spirit, but we won't be there in person.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, have a wonderful time. You know,
Speaker 2: let your head down, do whatever makes you feel love. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and yeah, be free to be.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you wanted to read about that google
Speaker 3: and meta stuff, you could probably find it in our
Speaker 3: show notes.
Speaker 2: Actually, don't google it.
Speaker 3: Thanks. Actually, yeah, go to our show notes and click
Speaker 3: the Guardian totally.
Speaker 2: Well, that's all we have time for today, but thanks
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