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Speaker 1: Coming up bond Relatables.

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Speaker 2: Is there a male loneliness epidemic or just facing the

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Speaker 2: consequences of their own actions? There is a males not

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Speaker 2: wanting to evolve epidemic.

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Speaker 1: That's a very good way to put it, you know, evolution,

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Speaker 1: That's a very good way to put it. Relatable. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my beautiful business building, baddies, business building. Oh sorry, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to try a new intro because I've been listening

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Speaker 1: to a lot of giggly squads they call there. I'm

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Speaker 1: a I am a giggler, all right, and they start

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Speaker 1: each one with like, hello, my galactic gigglers or my

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Speaker 1: something gigglers starting with a G. I was like, what

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Speaker 1: can we do with b in the baddies? Why don't

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Speaker 1: we just steal their stuff? I don't know, it might

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Speaker 1: not stick, it might not either way. The Relatables podcast

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Speaker 1: is hosted by myself, Clark Okay and my partner in crime,

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Speaker 1: mister Jake Craig aka Daddy, who, if you're not watching video,

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Speaker 1: is holding his new child, a new child. Darcy. Oh

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Speaker 1: Darcy beget Craig feels good. Oh is that what you do?

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Speaker 1: A middle name? Beget? Because why ain't you going to

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Speaker 1: keep beget. Why are you gonna keep the get? And

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Speaker 1: I was like, because I don't like it and she's

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Speaker 1: not your horse.

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Speaker 2: It's funny how because if that was a child. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: no one would say anything about the name.

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Speaker 1: No, everyone has something to say about a dog. Now

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Speaker 1: it's a dog. They're like, they feel like they have

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Speaker 1: a say. People can't the audacity. Yeah, they think of

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Speaker 1: their opinion. Your child, you could call it bloody. I

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Speaker 1: don't know whatever you want it? Actually, okay, what okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say three names. I want to know

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Speaker 1: how far I can take it if you if you

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Speaker 1: for you to say something about what I would name

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Speaker 1: my child, you know, I like unique though, go go go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've got three. One of them's first one's gonna be female.

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Speaker 1: Number one Lyria Lyria. Yeah, would you just call it

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Speaker 1: lily for short?

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Speaker 1: H Lyria? What would I call it for? It kind

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Speaker 1: of sounds like leary A mosquito would give you. I

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Speaker 1: would love to have it though, yeah, malaria. So you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say anything. No, I wouldn't say anything. Okay, boy Darrow,

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Speaker 1: I would advise you that sounds like Darrow like it

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Speaker 1: sounds like because I think in Australia, we will shorten

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Speaker 1: the word darrelict to Darrow and we all know what

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Speaker 1: darrelict means, and we'll be like, oh what, that's such

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Speaker 1: a darrow house. Darrow house, but Darrow. I would advise

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Speaker 1: you that it sounds like Darrow, which is like but

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Speaker 1: it's but it's spelled d A R R O W.

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Speaker 1: That is trying to be different. Now, I'd lad to

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Speaker 1: have it. Okay. What about Pax Pax? Yeah, I can

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Speaker 1: that's the best word pas. Yeah, cool name, isn't it

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Speaker 1: hardly to have that? Girl Victor? I feel like you're

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Speaker 1: that too. What about boy Lysander? I think I would

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Speaker 1: because we don't like licender. Yeah right. These all names

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Speaker 1: that you've gone over. These are all names from a

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Speaker 1: Also posted a video last week of me saying like,

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Speaker 1: for everyone listening, it was about the whole last names thing,

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Speaker 1: and Beth's new last last name should be? And Beth's

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Speaker 1: to Calvert. Also, don't hate that, Jake Calvet. Bethany Calvert like,

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Speaker 1: you don't mind that, don't hate that. But Beth goes,

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Speaker 1: what's with everyone commenting Ryerson'd? And I was like, hmmm, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: It's just a lot of paperwork and we know you're

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Speaker 1: the way, two separate designs of Bluie no way you

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Speaker 2: Blue Blow Blow bro Bluey's to taken over the World day. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: you go, you go shopping for toys that you go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Blue is everywhere it is also, and you're right, world

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Speaker 1: it's if I do say so of myself, blue is

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Speaker 1: a modern day Pepper Pig. If Pepper Pig's parents liked

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Speaker 1: to throw like parties with their friends in Bluey. There's

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Speaker 1: just it's like almost geared towards adults. Slightly genius, Beck, We.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to start the episode with the relatables voice males.

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Speaker 1: Yes, today, the.

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Speaker 2: Prompt is cheating or not cheating, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it. So headphones on. I'm

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Speaker 2: came for this, all right, Jake. I have three Two

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Speaker 2: are connected, ones different. Two are connected in a sense.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell me like she sent one and he sent one. No no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: let's start. So cheating or not cheating.

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Speaker 4: You've had a long term boyfriend for two and a

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Speaker 4: cheating because they're all girls, right, But but then you say,

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Speaker 4: do not tell him at all, and if he finds out,

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Speaker 4: he's going to kill me. But it's fine because I'm straight.

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Speaker 4: But you did also you did. You did also beg

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, interesting, tough start. I'm gonna say cheating.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say sexual intercourse with any gender that isn't

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Speaker 1: Also talking about it like it didn't happen, but far

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Speaker 1: too specific that it didn't happen everything though, like it's

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Speaker 1: just a father. Jake just moent out to the par

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Speaker 1: had a couple of beers. I was corny, didn't mean anything,

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Speaker 1: but I still love you. Do you do you love

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Speaker 1: it when I'm inside you? Oh? Yeah, of course your

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Speaker 1: two girls. They're just friends. Okay, so experimental who instigated?

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Speaker 1: If I did, well, you get angry. It's not what

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Speaker 1: I asked, I just want to know who instigated me

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Speaker 1: when I was drunk? Yeah, emphasis on drunk. Were they

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Speaker 1: That's worse. It's much worse. But you're telling me you

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Speaker 1: and you still love me. It's so cheating. She was

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Speaker 1: it sounded like she hasn't told him. Also, it could

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Speaker 1: be by the fact that you're like, so obviously none

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Speaker 1: of us are lesbians, because we were all just having

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Speaker 1: he'll kill me. The answer in itself is a night

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Speaker 1: to be What a fucking night? All right? Next one

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Speaker 1: they're connected, you'll see hi.

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Speaker 5: So basically, my ex he went on a trip to

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Speaker 5: Thailand and one night he was feeling it and he

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Speaker 5: basically took some funny stuff with one of his friends

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Speaker 5: their lives and he well, they made out with the

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Speaker 5: to show how much they loved each other. He never

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Speaker 5: talked about it. He talked about the party, but he

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Speaker 1: So I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I feel like it might be, but I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if guys usually they just make out

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Speaker 5: it was not smoosh. It was like a proper meet out.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what do we think? First of all, I think

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Speaker 1: that there is plenty of other ways to tell someone

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Speaker 1: how you feel about them as a friend, come on,

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Speaker 1: without having to make out with them. Also, words exist,

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Speaker 1: you could say I really appreciate our friendship. You make

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Speaker 1: me feel great. I love you. I was thinking though

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Speaker 2: We used to have an acquaintance who was from Sydney, Yes,

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, that's cheating. Sure, that's insane. That's so insane.

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Speaker 1: Can I say what I think? Yeah? Okay, so that

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Speaker 1: can we fix that? Like it's not the women's problem,

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00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: it's like, how can we fix this men's male issue

430
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: instead of you know, it's like the way sentences are worded, well.

431
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the evolution of men in the sense of men

432
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: used to be provide and that's all you have to do,

433
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: roof over the head, food on table, that's it, and

434
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: then you're a man.

435
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, where women.

436
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 2: Have realized that Wait a second, I can do that

437
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: myself and I don't have to deal with all your

438
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: fucking shit.

439
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would I have a kid with you? Just

440
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: to get that women can literally have a kid via

441
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: artificial insemination or whatever. I think I think it's Is

442
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: it artificial insemination? Is that what's called? Yeah, basically they

443
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: can have a kid without us now yeah, yeah, yeah

444
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Anyway, my first one, I've got a long answer.

445
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: I went from the replies on the story from the

446
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: perspective of a woman being blamed. I think women have

447
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: realized that we don't have to fall into once into

448
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: the once prevalent societal pressures of finding a man to

449
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: settle down with and have kids. We know our worth

450
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: and value our time. This means that subpar men are

451
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: no longer being put up with because we've realized we

452
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: actually don't have to deal with their bullshit. Men also

453
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: historically know very little about their friends, don't ask questions,

454
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: and don't invest time or effort into having deeply rooted,

455
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: emotional and supportive relationships with their friends like women do.

456
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: I think the story should be less along the lines

457
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: of male loneliness and more so geared toward men learning

458
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: to be better partners, to become reliable friends, and to

459
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: build relationships with their friends, family, and loved ones from

460
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: the ground up. Anyone who blames a woman for this

461
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: issue needs to learn to be a better man. Yeah.

462
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: That really like iron into the two points of relationships,

463
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: platonic with their friends as well as loving relationships with

464
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: their partners. Men don't know how to do either of them. Yeah,

465
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: and as a result, they're lonely because of how bad

466
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: they are in relationships.

467
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: It's it's it's yeah. I saw another one that said, like,

468
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there is a male loneliness epanemic and

469
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: it's and it's because men genuinely just don't like women. Yeah,

470
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the way they act,

471
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: They're like, they don't like women as people. They just

472
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: objectify them. Yeah, And I guess it's like again, I

473
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: think the more conversations had about needing to take accountability

474
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: instead of being like poor us, hopefully the more it

475
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: shifts towards going in the right direction. I think.

476
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 2: So I like to we like to play Devil's Advocate

477
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: on the podcast, and we get a lot of comments.

478
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: With ah, we bashed men a little bit, and we

479
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: like to.

480
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I know right now I'm trying to play

481
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: devil's advocate in the sense of like where could their

482
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: mindset be in a sense of.

483
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: Like I don't see it. I mean, well, right now though,

484
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: like we're not even bashing men, we're kind of just saying,

485
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: like the answer is is accountability?

486
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: Is there any justifications to why a man can be

487
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: lonely and have all these problems outside of it's their fault?

488
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: I don't actually know.

489
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only argument I can see them say saying

490
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: is generational things.

491
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: Because again though like yeah, yeah, generational is like as

492
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: an excuse, yeah, exactly, And it's like if you know

493
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: it's generational, you know it's generational, you know the answer.

494
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: Therefore you know how to come up with a solution. Yeah.

495
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: It's they're accepting something when it shouldn't be accepted. Yeah,

496
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: it's actually it's very Yeah.

497
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: I mean I gotta say, like I didn't know. I

498
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: don't think I've always thought like this, But I also

499
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: don't think that even you know, at least in my

500
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: small bubble of life, like the term male loneliness epidemic,

501
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: didn't hear that till probably last year. Agreed, you know

502
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, when we were younger, it wasn't

503
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: a thing that we heard well.

504
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: In our relationships, our platonic relationships. We have said countless

505
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: times that we've lost majority of our friends, the older

506
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: we've got semi as a result of this podcast, but

507
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: also in hindsight, looking at it now, it's because even

508
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: we didn't know how to have relationships we've men.

509
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like our relationships with our friends just clearly

510
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: weren't that strong.

511
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and we said that too, like surface level stuff.

512
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: The only two that I've maintained is I didn't do

513
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: it on purpose by any means. Is I formed a

514
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: deeper connection with them because we had shit going on

515
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: in our lives and for some reason it felt right

516
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: to talk to them about that.

517
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that was two out of fifteen people.

518
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I lost the rest of them because it

519
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: was so surface level and there was no relationship there.

520
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking at it now, Yeah, it's funny. It's really funny.

521
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: Like I would say I have a there's a couple

522
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: a couple of friends that I say, we have one

523
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: mutual that was part of our friend group that I

524
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: would still is definitely still a friend. And then I

525
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: have another friend who I just have a few friends

526
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: that I was closer with when I was younger, and

527
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: then after growing up a bit, maybe starting the podcast

528
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: and having it maybe do kind of well, I was

529
00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: only really a couple that I felt genuinely like, good

530
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: for you, you know what I mean? And well I

531
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: don't get And again it's not like a poor me situation.

532
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: It's just like a cool observation. I feel like that's

533
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: what they were really.

534
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: I would even categorize it as I'm sure it happens

535
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: in different places, but an Australia problem, an Australian men problem,

536
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: because great example being Kelly Holiday, he made a brilliant

537
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: song came second in the Tottest one hundred for Triple J.

538
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: The amount of shit that bloke gets for making a

539
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: brilliant song is insane. Australia six Season is an Australian

540
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: artist comes second the Hottest one hundred. Fucking one of

541
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: the probably the best songs in the past three years

542
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: ever come out and he just gets shit on because

543
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: he's doing well, yeah, and a lot.

544
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: Of people supporting. Everyone hates his girlfriend, yeah, and he

545
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: loves his girlfriend and also like advocates for women in general,

546
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: and he cops shit for it. Like I keep seeing

547
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: these videos of this one guy online that dresses up

548
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: like Kelly Holiday and then acts like Kelly Holiday, but

549
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: then will be like, I don't know, I just need

550
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom when he goes into the

551
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: girl's bathroom, like saying that he is a woman or

552
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: something like that. And so I think that, Look, the

553
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: guy making those videos obviously made one and it went viral.

554
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he makes them because he

555
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: genuinely hates Kelly Holiday or if he makes them because

556
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: he thinks they're funny. But the thing is is like

557
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: doing that is sending like the wrong message, if that

558
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: makes sense. So it's like the guy that makes the

559
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: videos is probably doesn't hate women, or maybe he does

560
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: have no idea and he probably doesn't want women to

561
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: be fucking murdered and he doesn't you know, he probably

562
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: doesn't want that. You know, no one wants that. But

563
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: like he is actually doing the opposite of what should

564
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: be done. Hard to work, I'm trying to you know what, like, yeah, yeah,

565
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: it's the younger generation that sees those videos. Is he's like, yeah, yeah,

566
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: it seems.

567
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: Like a surface level problem in a sense, but it

568
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: has a way biggest bill ever effect. And I don't

569
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: know if it's just Australia, but it seems to be

570
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: successful men especially as well. No, it is just men

571
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: and other men hate on them just because it's easier

572
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: to hate and bring people down than it is to

573
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: compliment and celebrate people's successes.

574
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: He's not just hat he's not just bullying Kelly Holiday. No,

575
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: he's like maybe intentionally, maybe unintentionally sending a message that, like,

576
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: you should not be like Kelly Holiday because that makes

577
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: you a fucking pussy woman. That's what he's saying, right,

578
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: and that's how so many young people are gonna take it.

579
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: And I when I watched them, it makes me cringe.

580
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, how are you fucking hating on a dude

581
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: that's actually trying to make a bit of a difference

582
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: and use his platform to make a bit of a difference.

583
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: It's a great role model, fantastic. He always sticks up

584
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: for his girlfriend, like and and like always like advocates

585
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: women and stuff, and he just cops hate for it

586
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: for some reason.

587
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: He's also openly I think it's confronting in a sense.

588
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: He's I've seen videos in before, openly talked about his

589
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: growth as a man, to see that an Abby as

590
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: his girlfriend has taught him a lot of things as well. Yeah,

591
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: and I think it's confronting for men who don't want

592
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: to admit that they've done something in the wrong, that's

593
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: past wha was he has admitted in the past that

594
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: he's done things that are wrong.

595
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the whole thing.

596
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: Where they can't take accountability round circle to mainly male

597
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: loneliness epidemic. There's no way in the world any man

598
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: could say I'm part of the problem.

599
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: But that's like that is And it took me so

600
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: Beth is actually the one that explained to me that

601
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: all of the quote unquote good men, right, Obviously, there's

602
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: heaps of good men, obviously, but it is the good

603
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: men that won't accept that even though they're good men,

604
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: they're part of the problem because nothing is done about it.

605
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: Like women can't fix this issue. The bad men aren't

606
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: going to fix this issue because they enjoy it. It's

607
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: the fucking quote unquote good men that actually need to

608
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: step up and fix the issue or at least try.

609
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: M hm. But everyone's like, but I'm a good man, Yeah,

610
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: watch anything, but I'm a good man, Like Okay, it's

611
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: part of the problem be a good man. Then yeah,

612
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: like and again like guilty, You've been like that before.

613
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: I've been like that.

614
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: It's trying to explain the thinking of when you are

615
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: like that. You don't realize the magnitude of the problem

616
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: when you're in it. Yeah, you just think, Yeah, you

617
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: have these spillover comments in your brain where you're just like,

618
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: that's just how so and.

619
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: So is Yeah, that's yeah. And then it's like, I'm

620
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: not like that. Yeah, I'm not like yeah, yeah, and

621
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: that's just who he is. And you take offense like

622
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people would probably take offense to being

623
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: like so, I know, I know, like it would be

624
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: hard to hear yeah, like there's probably more that we

625
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: could do and more we could have done, and there

626
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: is more that we probably will need to do and

627
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: hearing someone be like yeah, but you know, you just

628
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: you think, for a guy that feels like he's done

629
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: everything right his whole life, if you get told but

630
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: you've been doing this one thing, you get defensive, Oh

631
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: yeah you do. And again you just need to be like,

632
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: you know what, fuck, that's valid acceptance.

633
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's I don't know what the shift can be.

634
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: It's almost like so many things then to happen for

635
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: there to be a change.

636
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do think that just like the thing that

637
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: needs to be done is it just needs to be

638
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: talked about, that just has to be a start. Yeah,

639
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah.

640
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: Is there a male loneliness epidemic or just facing the

641
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: consequences of their own actions? Most men are quite lustful

642
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: and the others aren't actually intentional with dating. Before they

643
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: take girls out, a lot of them try to impress

644
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: girls rather than actually get to know someone, and when

645
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: they do that, we can see their insecurities rather than

646
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: healthy detachment and confidence. Most men need to build up

647
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: their own lives to offer us something, and they actually

648
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 2: need to start being happy by themselves first rather than

649
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: looking for someone to feel that loneliness hole in them.

650
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: Most of them have the character of a brick.

651
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: Right Okay, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's definitely not I

652
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that's wrong. Yeah.

653
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: It kind of comes back to how you said how

654
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: men view women in a sense too.

655
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: M m yeah, true. Yeah, but you know women a

656
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: lot of time the men will look women as an

657
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: object and also, like you know how there's this like

658
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: sort of narrative where you know, sometimes quite often you

659
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: see it on like a TikTok video where to be

660
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: like women won't like you unless you have X y

661
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: Z type shit. And it's also like when has a

662
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: woman a woman sorry, ever actually been the one to

663
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: say that, Like, so many men think that they need

664
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: to have money, a fucking six pack. They think that

665
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: just existing women should worship them and shit like that. Yeah,

666
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: but it's like they've never even heard a woman say that.

667
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: They've only ever heard like a fucking red pill man

668
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: say that on a TikTok video. Yeah, so you know

669
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. Again, they're the reason there's a problem.

670
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, fine, and I'm thinking too of like there's no

671
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: substance in a lot of men.

672
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I think you would be right. Yeah, that

673
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: sounds right. And you don't know why because we've never

674
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: had a deep relationship with a friend. Yeah, I've never

675
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: been able to know. We've never been able to show

676
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: our personality because we're all fucking like you go.

677
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: To the pub and talk to the boys, and you

678
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: do this in a lot of life, but there's no

679
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: deeper connection.

680
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: You talk about the same ship, footy betting, fucking how

681
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: hard work was, Yeah, that's it, how much you hate work.

682
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: How much you hate work, and that's the extent, and

683
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: then you just get fucked up. And then when you

684
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: get too fucked up, you actually talk about how much

685
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: you appreciate someone as a mate. And that's the only

686
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: time it will ever come out is when you're extremely intoxicated,

687
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: and then you never talk about it again when you're sober.

688
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: I know, they're like, the only time a friend of

689
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: friends ever told me about family issues as well, like

690
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: fucked up, and I'm like, I remember, it's a great example.

691
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: I won't any names because it was quite a They

692
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: had two bad things in their life happened, and what

693
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: they would do because their men and they didn't have

694
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: the tools to talk about it when they weren't intoxicated.

695
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: Every single weekend they would get absolutely fucked up and

696
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: do an absolute all nighter and talk about all their

697
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: feelings all weekend, and then when they was sober a

698
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: week never talk about again, get head noise, do it

699
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: all over again. And it was just this rotation of unhealthiness,

700
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: and the only way they could ever talk about it

701
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: was with alcohol getting fucked and that went on for

702
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: like three months. This is just a question. Right, that's

703
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: clearly an unhealthy way to go about it. But I

704
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: wonder if it worked. I wonder if it helped.

705
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: But I think the result of that was you can't

706
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: help but feel sorry for someone who has to do

707
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: that because they've had a traumatic thing happened to them.

708
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

709
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the byproduct was maybe it did help,

710
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: but this person's association with alcohol now is just dark. Yeah,

711
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: because all we ever did was talk about dark shit

712
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: when he was so maybe it did work, like not

713
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: promoting it at all. No, No, it's terrible to go

714
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: about just trying to think.

715
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: I can wonder if it helped it all. Yeah, that's

716
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: that's the extent that men will go to to talk

717
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: about these deep things, rather than just saying, hey, man,

718
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: like I'm having troubles at home with my family. I know,

719
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: like I'm sad. Fuck. Maybe we should try Maybe we

720
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: should like start trying a thing on here. We could

721
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: do it off the pot as well. We could have

722
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: like something like, what's something that maybe has like made

723
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: you feel happy this week? What's something made you feel

724
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: sad this week? What like have you felt anxious this week?

725
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: Maybe we should start trying that I like that. Oh

726
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: hell yeah. Sometimes when I find like if I'm anxious,

727
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: I very like, I don't know. Maybe once a week

728
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: feel a bit of anxiety. I'm like, I know that

729
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: this is an anxious feeling, but I don't know why

730
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm anxious. Yeah, you said that a fair bit, you

731
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

732
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: It's like that feeling in your gut and a sense

733
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: of I often go through my my I have it

734
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: as well, and what I do in my head is

735
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 2: like go through different things of why it could be nervous,

736
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: and I tick all these things off.

737
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, they're fine. That's so funny. We're so

738
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: fucking like robotic as men. We're so logical, Like, Okay,

739
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm anxious. This shouldn't happen. I'm not allowed to be human.

740
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: Let me list off everything that could make me anxious.

741
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: What's everything that's happening right now? I mean, hey, if

742
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: it's coping. If it is, it's just so funny how

743
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: logical we are today in the car, Beth and I

744
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: drove you together, and we drive past Macas and get

745
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: a coffee. This is like so funny. So BET's like, oh,

746
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: can you please get me a regular iced dirty chai

747
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: with like extra extra ice because Macis never does much ice.

748
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 1: She's like, I want extra extrace and so I asked,

749
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: so extra and so I was like, so fair, and

750
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: so I asked, I said, can I get extra extra ice?

751
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: And I kind of like laughed, and I was like

752
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: trying to not sound like someone that's like super demanding.

753
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I want them to think like, you know,

754
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: we just asked for ext rice because clear we never

755
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: get a strice. Yeah, And so she repeated it back

756
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: to me and she's like with the extra extra ice.

757
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: And I was like, sweet, she's emphasized it. Yeah. And

758
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: so then we we wait in the waiting bay and

759
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: they bring out Beth's thing and they she's looking at it.

760
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: They walk off and she's looking at it and it's

761
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: just like a thin layer of ice on the top.

762
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: And I was and she goes, she was like she

763
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: was annoyed. Obviously, she goes, it's just annoying because they

764
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: always always do this, you know, they always do it.

765
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: And so I you went back in no, oh, I

766
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: could have could have just fucking free. I don't know

767
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: why they are. Yeah, And so I was like, don't

768
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it,

769
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: don't say it. Why do you even get them from me? Oh?

770
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was like, look, she's annoyed. Yeah, fair,

771
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: We asked for extra extrace they didn't give it to us.

772
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: But I was just like, I really wanted to just

773
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: be like, here's the thing. Though it was gonna make

774
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: it her issue. That's why I didn't do it. Bad

775
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: boyfriend if I did this. But what I wanted to

776
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: say was like, why do you even get cough of me?

777
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: If you know what's gonna be bad? But like she's

778
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: given a chance. See that's a bad thing that I do.

779
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm always like and I'm like making it so like

780
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: best the issue, and I'm thinking, like, you know, fuck,

781
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: mackis how do you.

782
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: Bring up a problem? This is actually really good broad

783
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: spectrum for men. So say one person, partner, friend, is

784
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: feeling one way about something and their emotions are valid

785
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: to them, but you strongly feel different about said thing.

786
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: How do you voice that without invalidating the other person?

787
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: That's actually the fucking best question because I've always wondered,

788
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: so sometimes people do have feelings like so I've always

789
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: been a big or not always actually maybe in recent years,

790
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: I don't like to invalidate someone's feelings because I don't

791
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: know how they're feeling. You know, they feel a tough

792
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: way about this thing. I think it's dumb, but they don't.

793
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: But like, sometimes feelings probably just do need to be

794
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: black and white invalid So how do you tell that

795
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: to someone who's feeling a certain type of way about

796
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: a thing.

797
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a question because it happened in

798
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 2: my relationship recently. We had a fight about it because

799
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: I was taking accountability. I was invalidating her, but I

800
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: was trying to I felt differently about it. I was

801
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: trying to voice how I felt, but that inherently made

802
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: me seem like I was invalidating her.

803
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and I guess you were, and I was,

804
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: and I couldn't voice that.

805
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: We calmed down and talked about it, and I tried

806
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: to explain that exact conversation to you.

807
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I wasn't invalidating you.

808
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: I felt differently about it, and I understand where you're

809
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: coming from, but I I couldn't put it into words

810
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: at all, and I was just fucking rambling about that.

811
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like you just need to listen. You

812
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: just need to listen. But I guess you have a

813
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: difference of opinion. I don't know. I think that.

814
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: Because round circle again. I'm round circling a lot the

815
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: male loneliness epidemic. A lot of men feel very strongly

816
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: about a thing, and their way of saying that is saying, no,

817
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: my way is right, you're always wrong. I think the

818
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: first bit is to take accountability and you're allowed to

819
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: believe whatever the fuck you want. But also you have

820
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: to accept that whatever's in that person's head is right

821
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: to them.

822
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair to an extent obviously. Yeah, yeah, we know

823
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: what things about it? Yeah yeah, I mean just like, yeah,

824
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: when it comes to like an opinion, yeah, yeah, yeah, opinion.

825
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: But god, that's such a good question. I don't even know. So,

826
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: so the situation isn't like because let's say you're complaining

827
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: about something and I know how to fix the problem.

828
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: It's like sometimes you just don't want to hear how

829
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: to fix the problem. You just want me to. Yeah.

830
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: I got the best scenario.

831
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure this friend won't mind me saying I'm not

832
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: going to say his name, but he is an anti vaxxer. Yeah,

833
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 2: And he's against vaccination, right, okay, and he knows he's

834
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: trying to date women. He's actually a nice guy, really

835
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: nice guy. I really like him. And but he he

836
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: knows that his problem for being single is that his

837
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: opinion on vaccinations is that you shouldn't have them. Yeah,

838
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: and he knows he's the problem, but he won't change.

839
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, someone you very strong opinion, you

840
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: are allowed.

841
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 1: To be an anti vaxxer. I guess. But like when

842
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: he's meeting women, is the conversations about vaccines coming up,

843
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh no, they're they're the worst thing ever,

844
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm an anti vaxxer. And if then she goes,

845
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: well I think vaccines are good, and then he's like,

846
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: fuck you, you're wrong. No.

847
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: I think it's more just like all right, well I

848
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: don't want to continue this date anymore.

849
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: This would be this is oh him or yeah, but

850
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't want a date if a person that likes vaccination, yeah, yeah,

851
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's just his problem. Like you just need

852
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: to find an anti vaxxer. I guess.

853
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: But I feel like that's what men do. They'd be

854
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: just like, rather than resolve in the issued hand, they go.

855
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: Like, well, it's just like that's just how I am.

856
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: I don't believe vaccination.

857
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: I only found this out recently for me too as

858
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: a friend of this relationship. Although I don't agree with it,

859
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: I can respect the decision. Yeah, Like I mean, it's

860
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: not my life.

861
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: So that's the things where I was like, I don't know,

862
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: is being an anti vaxxer a friendship ending thing? Like,

863
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: am I not getting something because to me? So to me,

864
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: I would say no as well, because it's like you

865
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: not wanting to be vaccinated doesn't affect me being vaccinated.

866
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: I would disagree if you like didn't get your children vaccinated,

867
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: But again it's like those are your children, they're not mine.

868
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: So it's like, because you know how you know, being

869
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: friends with someone that's like racist is like a line

870
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: and a friendship ending thing. Is being an anti vaccer

871
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: like that? And there's something I'm missing comment I want

872
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: to know genuinely because like, yeah, but then it doesn't

873
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: come back to the problem at hand. Is is that

874
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: a problem?

875
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: And we should instead of being like, well, this doesn't

876
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: affect me, we should be like, you know, vaccinations are

877
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: actually proven to be really good and saved a lot

878
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: of societies, and we voice that is that where the

879
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: problem is at hand?

880
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so let me think about this. If someone

881
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: was an anti VAXXA and they were like trying to

882
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: preach it on me, I'd be like, you're annoying. But

883
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: he's not like that. Yeah, So it's more like if

884
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: it just comes up to conversations, Yeah, I don't get vaccinated.

885
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it, about it, but like,

886
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: don't try and sway mic, Like I'm happy to have

887
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: a debate.

888
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: And his opinion is why quite he's not, but why

889
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: he's lonely and doesn't have a partner. It's because of that,

890
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: and I think broader spectrum, a lot of men have

891
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: a lot of those opinions way worse than that. Opinionated

892
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: things about politics, race, la la la la lah list goes.

893
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: On and on and on, and rather than admit that

894
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: there could be other ways to view the world, they

895
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: just die on their high horse. They do love the

896
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: Dinah hill. Yeah, yeah, the whole and like it's not understanding, Yeah,

897
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: they love the DNA hill. That's the thing again, is

898
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: like this friend, Right, Let's say someone has a ulmost

899
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: argument of being like oh no, here's why I disagree

900
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: with any VAX's And in his head when he hears

901
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: this argument, he goes, dang, that's actually makes a lot

902
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: of sense. Men love to just be like I still disagree.

903
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: They hate to be like you just rearranged everything I

904
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: believe in, which is fine. You're allowed to change. YEA

905
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: four years ago, I was like, I'm not getting married

906
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: if them, if they're not going to take my last name.

907
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: And then someone sent a comment or like send us

908
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: a message, and so to me, this still annoys me. Oh,

909
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: I had this opinion, and I tried telling you and

910
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: to listen to you. Yeah, someone actually is because you're

911
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: not articulate, and so someone articulately placed it very well,

912
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, valid, who's a fuck? Like who

913
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: actually gives a fuck? Or or maybe my friend eleged, we're

914
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: going to stop talking to you and to start writing

915
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: stuff down. You should make a ghost accounts and never

916
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: I have an opinion that you disagree with, make ghost

917
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: accounts and leave a comment. And then I'm swayed by the.

918
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: Bad I also think too, to any certain extent, how

919
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: the baddie said alone of men's personalities are.

920
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: Like a brick wall.

921
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of those personality traits is admitting when you're wrong.

922
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: It's quite a good trait to have. Yeah, yeah, but

923
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: men don't see it that way. They think I should

924
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: be so authoritariative whatever the world is. Well, i'm right

925
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: and you're wrong. I should make all calls and I

926
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: am right, and even if I'm wrong, yeah, you're right,

927
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: You're very right. And that's like also comes down to

928
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: make maybe some sort of a human nature thing, but

929
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: it's just it's just scary to admit you're wrong and

930
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: someone else is right, and like in the next scenario,

931
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: you might be right and they might be wrong, you know.

932
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: But to summarize all this in an articulate way, we'll

933
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: say that the male loneliness epidemic is caused by men

934
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: who can't accept that they are part of the problem,

935
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: and the first way to make a change is acceptance.

936
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: Baddies, it's time for comments.

937
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: If you want to get your comment read, simply comment

938
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 2: on the episode you are listening to. I have last

939
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: week's Spotify Becoming a Dad with Jake did Child on

940
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: his Lap.

941
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have proof, Froddie.

942
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: I have Abby Spencer just want to say I'm so

943
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: glad I became a full time Battie instead of just

944
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: the book Club Battie.

945
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: Love the pod. Oh really, yeah, the funnels working some

946
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: of years. Come for the book Club, You're gotta stay

947
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: for the main I got one from the YouTube from

948
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Kathleen dash h six z, Hey baddies. I was

949
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: thinking maybe sometime in the future you could do a

950
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: series kind of like The book Club, but instead it's

951
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: like a movie night type thing. I think it would

952
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: be hilarious. If you guys watch the show One Tree Hill,

953
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: it's drama field and I think it would be a

954
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: great time. I would love to see it. Also, love

955
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: the podcast guys. We've thought about that. We kind of

956
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: tried to do it with Love Island.

957
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be amazing if we got the copyright

958
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: laws for stuff and then we.

959
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: Could show snippets.

960
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: I guess you could do it the exact same format

961
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: as book Club. The thing with that is people aren't

962
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 2: as die hard for TV shows as they are books now.

963
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: It's not not quite as culty, Yeah, which is kind

964
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: of what you need for podcasts. You want people as

965
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: invested as we are.

966
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. It's yeah, true, it's just

967
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: not quite as culty, is it. I mean, it would

968
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: be cool if we could somehow be this show that

969
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: did get the right to do this goggle Box style thing.

970
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: I would love that. Saying I would love that can

971
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: be great on goggle Box. I'm the biggest reactor to

972
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: TV shows. Heated Rivalry finished it? Also, why the fuck

973
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: is he here? Why did Heated Rivalry make me cry? I

974
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: don't know. If people want you to talk about it

975
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: can be Patreon. I fucking cried watching that show. Really,

976
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: I am not even kidding. Shit, you actually have to

977
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: watch it. Maybe so I will say this episode one,

978
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, wha. These sex scenes are intense and then

979
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: kind of just like exposure therapy, didn't bat Night at

980
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: a single one. You just end up not giving a

981
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: ship because like in Game of Thrones, you know how

982
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: the sex scenes, even when they're heterosexual, they're just like

983
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: intense and you're like, holy fuck, you didn't they You

984
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: just kind of come become exposure therapy. Same thing, didn't

985
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: care at all? Okay, good show, I recommend.

986
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: It alrighty, and it is time for one of the

987
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: baddies to sign off the episode. If you want to

988
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 2: sign off the episode. The link will be in the description.

989
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: I'm actually scared to say a name right now, let's

990
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: try j call it before.

991
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: It says j Jade. What's Jade? Yeah? What did you spell? Hello? Jade?

992
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: Is that you? Yeah? Jade? This is Jake United from Latables?

993
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: How are you going? Oh? Good things? How are you

994
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: very very well? Got Audie to my left over here,

995
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: say hello, Hello, we've called Jade before. I'm having Oh

996
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: what did we call Jane like two weeks ago?

997
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 5: For real?

998
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Aldi's job and he's done this twice,

999
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: two weeks in a row. Now, oh my god, I'm

1000
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: sorry it might effect. We tried two other people first,

1001
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: Have you got advice down the podcast? You're going to

1002
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: do it again? Want you again?

1003
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 4: Oh?

1004
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can do it again.

1005
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1006
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 6: Am I signing off?

1007
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Signing off? Something off? Something off? Oh right, he

1008
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: really put me on the spot. Yeah, this is how

1009
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: we know we got good bad the public holiday exactly.

1010
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,959
Speaker 1: That's why everyone should be picking up their phone. We're working.

1011
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: We're not even getting double paid. He isn't even paying

1012
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: me double with Yeah, that's because you're not doing your job.

1013
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: You should take capability to no I reckon.

1014
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 6: Oh gosh, I can be mean to men.

1015
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: To men, yes, let's just be mean until they get better?

1016
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: Why not? Yeah, don't feed the male ego, don't make

1017
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: a change. Well, thank you very much, Jade. I'm sorry

1018
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: for calling you again. That's my bad. That's okay, like deleted.

1019
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: You should block this number, j Yeah, I'll blocked the number.

1020
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your test. Yes, a fucking man.

1021
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: Thanks by. I think it might be time to have

1022
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: a bit of a even though it's not even one

1023
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: month in the year, gonna have a one month review

1024
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: with Audien and his work. His performance review.

1025
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: I tried hard today We're gonna have a performance review

1026
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: and see how whiteboard.

1027
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: I tried so hard. Stay bad,