1 00:00:04,110 --> 00:00:06,570 Sean Aylmer : Welcome to the Fear and Greed Daily Interview. I'm Sean 2 00:00:06,660 --> 00:00:10,320 Sean Aylmer : Aylmer. Right now in the UK, we're seeing a political 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,040 Sean Aylmer : crisis play out in real time. Liz Truss became the 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,329 Sean Aylmer : UK Prime Minister just six weeks ago. Now, after an ill- 5 00:00:18,329 --> 00:00:22,110 Sean Aylmer : conceived tax cut plan, a sacked Chancellor, and a policy 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,979 Sean Aylmer : backflip, Liz Truss is under intense pressure with calls from 7 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:29,010 Sean Aylmer : colleagues in the business community for her to quit. Latika 8 00:00:29,010 --> 00:00:31,470 Sean Aylmer : Bourke is a journalist with The Age and Sydney Morning 9 00:00:31,470 --> 00:00:35,010 Sean Aylmer : Herald based in London. Latika, welcome back to Fear and 10 00:00:35,010 --> 00:00:36,479 Sean Aylmer : Greed. What the hell is going on? 11 00:00:36,990 --> 00:00:40,380 Latika Bourke: Yeah, well, it does look likely we'll see another Prime 12 00:00:40,380 --> 00:00:45,450 Latika Bourke: Ministerial change maybe within hours, maybe within days, maybe within 13 00:00:45,450 --> 00:00:49,530 Latika Bourke: weeks, maybe within months, but it does have a certain 14 00:00:49,530 --> 00:00:50,760 Latika Bourke: inevitability to it. 15 00:00:51,810 --> 00:00:54,540 Sean Aylmer : How did she go so wrong? How did Liz Truss 16 00:00:54,540 --> 00:00:55,560 Sean Aylmer : go so wrong? 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,260 Latika Bourke: A couple of things. I think the first thing to 18 00:00:58,260 --> 00:01:01,290 Latika Bourke: say is that she's thoroughly unsuited to the job, and 19 00:01:01,620 --> 00:01:04,170 Latika Bourke: she did not enjoy the support of MPs when she 20 00:01:04,170 --> 00:01:07,800 Latika Bourke: was running for this. Her rival, Rishi Sunak, always and 21 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,370 Latika Bourke: consistently from day one had the majority of MPs, so 22 00:01:11,730 --> 00:01:14,370 Latika Bourke: the number of Conservatives who thought they could work with 23 00:01:14,370 --> 00:01:16,230 Latika Bourke: him and that he would be a vote winner at 24 00:01:16,230 --> 00:01:21,480 Latika Bourke: the ballot box. Secondly, there is not only an unsuitability 25 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,230 Latika Bourke: to Liz Truss' own qualifications for this job, but a 26 00:01:25,230 --> 00:01:28,470 Latika Bourke: kind of arrogance, and I think this is actually where 27 00:01:28,470 --> 00:01:31,920 Latika Bourke: they've really tripped up. Anyone could learn in the job, 28 00:01:32,220 --> 00:01:36,840 Latika Bourke: but Truss came into this job thinking, " I am going 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,890 Latika Bourke: to blow up," literally they call it The Blob, and 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,650 Latika Bourke: the best way to think about that is some kind 31 00:01:43,650 --> 00:01:48,630 Latika Bourke: of deep state civil service bureaucracy orthodoxy, which to some 32 00:01:48,630 --> 00:01:52,020 Latika Bourke: degree does need challenging, but she came in with this 33 00:01:52,020 --> 00:01:54,750 Latika Bourke: mission that they were going to blow this show up and teach 34 00:01:54,750 --> 00:01:59,430 Latika Bourke: them once and for all what a low- tax economy 35 00:02:00,030 --> 00:02:04,650 Latika Bourke: looks like, how successful it would be, and how popular 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,590 Latika Bourke: it would be. And of course, as we know, that 37 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:11,310 Latika Bourke: was a fatal misjudgment. There is a reason why Conservative 38 00:02:11,310 --> 00:02:13,890 Latika Bourke: leaders have not done this past. 39 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:16,620 Sean Aylmer : Not even Boris Johnson did that. 40 00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:20,370 Latika Bourke: I mean, this is actually part of the story. Boris 41 00:02:20,370 --> 00:02:25,139 Latika Bourke: Johnson doesn't really have a kind of philosophical outline or 42 00:02:25,139 --> 00:02:28,800 Latika Bourke: guiding principle to him other than two things really, and I 43 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,610 Latika Bourke: think that's ambition and this desire and need to be 44 00:02:32,610 --> 00:02:35,940 Latika Bourke: loved by the public, and that actually in the eyes 45 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:39,600 Latika Bourke: of many Tory MPs and those particularly who did support 46 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,620 Latika Bourke: Liz Truss, they felt that led Boris astray from the 47 00:02:43,620 --> 00:02:46,980 Latika Bourke: original Brexit mission. And there's kind of two sorts of 48 00:02:47,010 --> 00:02:50,669 Latika Bourke: Brexits that are in the mind of those who supported 49 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:53,220 Latika Bourke: Brexit. One is this idea of a Singapore on Thames, 50 00:02:53,220 --> 00:02:57,060 Latika Bourke: where Brexiting would lead you to be able to create 51 00:02:57,060 --> 00:02:59,550 Latika Bourke: a really low- tax economy, some of these agenda items 52 00:02:59,550 --> 00:03:02,310 Latika Bourke: that we've seen from Truss. And then the other side 53 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:05,430 Latika Bourke: were saying, " No, actually we just want to control the 54 00:03:05,430 --> 00:03:10,139 Latika Bourke: immigration, grow our wages, grow more local industry and have 55 00:03:10,139 --> 00:03:12,870 Latika Bourke: some freedom about who we trade with and the terms and 56 00:03:12,870 --> 00:03:17,250 Latika Bourke: conditions." They're two drastically and radically different sorts of Brexits, 57 00:03:17,850 --> 00:03:22,230 Latika Bourke: and Boris Johnson, because of his incapability to, one, even 58 00:03:22,230 --> 00:03:26,700 Latika Bourke: think about policy seriously, but two, execute it if it 59 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:29,820 Latika Bourke: harmed or hurt or meant a difficult conversation with anyone 60 00:03:29,820 --> 00:03:32,850 Latika Bourke: in the public, meant that that first model of Brexit 61 00:03:32,850 --> 00:03:35,430 Latika Bourke: was getting lost. And if you talked to a lot 62 00:03:35,430 --> 00:03:38,490 Latika Bourke: of the Brexiteers, and I would say this, I'd say a couple 63 00:03:38,490 --> 00:03:41,490 Latika Bourke: of years on from Brexit, it's very difficult to identify 64 00:03:41,550 --> 00:03:45,690 Latika Bourke: what the tangible benefits are for the ordinary person, and 65 00:03:45,690 --> 00:03:47,790 Latika Bourke: they would say, " Well, that's because Brexit hasn't been done 66 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:50,430 Latika Bourke: properly." And they laid that at the feet of Boris 67 00:03:50,430 --> 00:03:54,900 Latika Bourke: Johnson, which is why when time came for Boris Johnson, 68 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,260 Latika Bourke: when his time was eventually up, a whole section of that 69 00:03:58,260 --> 00:04:02,370 Latika Bourke: party found themselves not looking towards Rishi Sunak, because they 70 00:04:02,370 --> 00:04:05,100 Latika Bourke: saw him as part and parcel of that problem, they 71 00:04:05,100 --> 00:04:09,720 Latika Bourke: looked to Liz Truss. Unfortunately, their guiding light has flamed 72 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,870 Latika Bourke: spectacularly and looks to be burning out within days. 73 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,250 Sean Aylmer : Singapore on the Thames is a great description. Even any 74 00:04:17,250 --> 00:04:19,679 Sean Aylmer : pragmatist wouldn't say that's ever going to work though, would it? 75 00:04:20,070 --> 00:04:22,380 Latika Bourke: Look, I think the time it was going to work 76 00:04:22,380 --> 00:04:25,710 Latika Bourke: was probably about two decades ago. You cannot have this 77 00:04:25,710 --> 00:04:29,400 Latika Bourke: sort of agenda in the current context, where we've just 78 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,270 Latika Bourke: come out of the COVID pandemic, people are very used to 79 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:36,599 Latika Bourke: looking to the government to not only pay to fix 80 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,980 Latika Bourke: problems or pay to accommodate external shocks that they weren't 81 00:04:40,980 --> 00:04:45,029 Latika Bourke: expecting, but also to tell them what to do. We 82 00:04:45,029 --> 00:04:48,510 Latika Bourke: have a very different dynamic and a relationship between the 83 00:04:48,510 --> 00:04:51,120 Latika Bourke: public and the state, and that's even in a country 84 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,680 Latika Bourke: that didn't take COVID as seriously or you didn't treat 85 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,589 Latika Bourke: it with the harsh responses that we saw in Australia 86 00:04:58,589 --> 00:05:00,450 Latika Bourke: and some of the other Asian countries. 87 00:05:00,750 --> 00:05:02,849 Sean Aylmer : Stay with me, Latika. We'll be back in a minute. 88 00:05:09,060 --> 00:05:12,270 Sean Aylmer : My guest this morning is Latika Bourke, Sydney Morning Herald and The Age 89 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:16,349 Sean Aylmer : journalist based in London. Okay, taking all that into account, 90 00:05:16,890 --> 00:05:19,890 Sean Aylmer : suddenly the UK seems like Italy of a decade ago. 91 00:05:20,130 --> 00:05:23,730 Sean Aylmer : Just the political instability is quite phenomenal. 92 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,420 Latika Bourke: Well, some might say Italy, others might say Australia, Sean. 93 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:30,720 Sean Aylmer : Of a decade ago, that's true. Yeah. 94 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,660 Latika Bourke: A little fun fact is that if and when, and 95 00:05:33,660 --> 00:05:36,360 Latika Bourke: we do expect it to be when, the Tories roll 96 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,529 Latika Bourke: Liz Truss, the UK will then have as many living 97 00:05:40,529 --> 00:05:43,230 Latika Bourke: former Prime Ministers as Australia. 98 00:05:43,589 --> 00:05:45,150 Sean Aylmer : Is that right? There you go. 99 00:05:45,150 --> 00:05:45,210 Latika Bourke: It is. 100 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,110 Sean Aylmer : But I mean, it must be destabilizing in terms of 101 00:05:49,110 --> 00:05:54,210 Sean Aylmer : policy settings for individuals, for businesses, for regulators, for the 102 00:05:54,210 --> 00:05:54,900 Sean Aylmer : whole economy. 103 00:05:55,980 --> 00:06:00,390 Latika Bourke: Yeah, I mean, the financial issue is really serious. Don't 104 00:06:00,390 --> 00:06:04,230 Latika Bourke: for a second underestimate how close pension funds were to 105 00:06:04,260 --> 00:06:06,570 Latika Bourke: falling over, and that was why you saw this extraordinary 106 00:06:06,570 --> 00:06:09,270 Latika Bourke: intervention from the Bank of England, which of course is 107 00:06:09,270 --> 00:06:11,940 Latika Bourke: going to be in turn inflationary, and anyone who has 108 00:06:11,940 --> 00:06:14,339 Latika Bourke: a mortgage like I do, we're going to be looking 109 00:06:14,339 --> 00:06:18,390 Latika Bourke: at maybe interest rates a couple of percentage points higher 110 00:06:18,390 --> 00:06:21,359 Latika Bourke: than they might otherwise have been this time next year, 111 00:06:21,779 --> 00:06:25,200 Latika Bourke: on top of that with an energy crisis caused by 112 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,960 Latika Bourke: the war in Ukraine. Now, if this winter is really 113 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,080 Latika Bourke: cold, we have already been told here in the UK 114 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,799 Latika Bourke: that we're facing a scenario where we could have three 115 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,680 Latika Bourke: to four hour blackouts in the middle of winter. That's 116 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,490 Latika Bourke: a serious amount of time in a cold temperature country, 117 00:06:42,029 --> 00:06:47,339 Latika Bourke: and we are not seeing anybody really talk about this. Ironically, 118 00:06:47,820 --> 00:06:51,420 Latika Bourke: the whole wham, bam, thank you, ma'am tax package that 119 00:06:51,420 --> 00:06:53,070 Latika Bourke: Liz Truss came out with at the start of her 120 00:06:53,070 --> 00:06:56,760 Latika Bourke: premiership was actually about announcing energy relief, but it was 121 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,230 Latika Bourke: so big, it's going to cost £ 60 billion for the 122 00:07:01,230 --> 00:07:05,430 Latika Bourke: first six months, £ 10 billion a month of borrowing, that 123 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:08,400 Latika Bourke: people were alarmed by the lack of restraint there and they 124 00:07:08,610 --> 00:07:11,190 Latika Bourke: thought that it should have been tapered towards perhaps people 125 00:07:11,190 --> 00:07:13,950 Latika Bourke: on benefits, and that actually, a lot of people who 126 00:07:13,950 --> 00:07:16,320 Latika Bourke: live in Knightsbridge don't really need the government to bail 127 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,470 Latika Bourke: them out of high energy prices, however scarily high they 128 00:07:19,470 --> 00:07:23,130 Latika Bourke: might be. So there is a lot of debating to 129 00:07:23,130 --> 00:07:25,830 Latika Bourke: be had about how to deal with these crises, and 130 00:07:25,830 --> 00:07:28,590 Latika Bourke: you're right, Sean, that debate is not happening. 131 00:07:29,310 --> 00:07:31,620 Sean Aylmer : What are people on the street thinking about this? 132 00:07:32,370 --> 00:07:34,620 Latika Bourke: Well, I was on the bus yesterday and two young 133 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:37,140 Latika Bourke: girls behind me, one of them was listening to a 134 00:07:37,140 --> 00:07:39,450 Latika Bourke: podcast I imagine, because she shouts out to a friend, " 135 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,610 Latika Bourke: Oh, they're going to get rid of her. The Prime Minister, 136 00:07:41,610 --> 00:07:44,220 Latika Bourke: she's gone." And then the other one says, " Oh. Who's 137 00:07:44,220 --> 00:07:47,400 Latika Bourke: next?" And I thought that conversation just summed it all 138 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:52,590 Latika Bourke: up, because Liz Truss does not have, and she has 139 00:07:52,590 --> 00:07:56,460 Latika Bourke: never had and will never have, this sort of emotional 140 00:07:56,460 --> 00:07:59,280 Latika Bourke: connection with the British public that Boris Johnson had, that 141 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,640 Latika Bourke: David Cameron had, that Tony Blair had. One, she's a 142 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,330 Latika Bourke: very new Prime Minister obviously. Her elevation came at a 143 00:08:06,330 --> 00:08:10,350 Latika Bourke: time where people are really jaded with politics and certainly 144 00:08:10,350 --> 00:08:13,590 Latika Bourke: with the Conservative Party, that the public was already starting 145 00:08:13,590 --> 00:08:15,840 Latika Bourke: to get over this party that's had a long time 146 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,500 Latika Bourke: in office here. But also, people didn't even know this 147 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:22,770 Latika Bourke: woman's name a year ago, and suddenly she's their Prime 148 00:08:22,770 --> 00:08:25,290 Latika Bourke: Minister. So I think that when she does go, you're 149 00:08:25,290 --> 00:08:28,050 Latika Bourke: not actually going to see the sort of costs that 150 00:08:28,050 --> 00:08:30,840 Latika Bourke: we saw with the change with Boris, because the public 151 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,550 Latika Bourke: relationship is just not there. 152 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,640 Sean Aylmer : I mean, who gets the job? There's still a couple 153 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,920 Sean Aylmer : of years, isn't there, until a general election? So it 154 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,800 Sean Aylmer : may be a poisoned chalice, but if Liz Truss goes, 155 00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:45,000 Sean Aylmer : as you are suggesting she will, someone will have to 156 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,370 Sean Aylmer : take over that role for the next 18 to months to 157 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:47,880 Sean Aylmer : two years. 158 00:08:48,630 --> 00:08:51,390 Latika Bourke: And this is the best question, Sean, because the only 159 00:08:51,390 --> 00:08:54,300 Latika Bourke: reason Liz Truss is still in the job is because 160 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:58,740 Latika Bourke: the party is so divided, and this is largely due 161 00:08:58,740 --> 00:09:03,870 Latika Bourke: to Brexit. Brexit really drove or created ruptures within the Parliamentary 162 00:09:03,870 --> 00:09:08,219 Latika Bourke: party that weren't necessarily there before, and these factions are 163 00:09:08,220 --> 00:09:12,630 Latika Bourke: so at war and so entrenched in who they perceive 164 00:09:12,630 --> 00:09:16,050 Latika Bourke: to have slighted them, or back- stabbed Boris, or betrayed 165 00:09:16,050 --> 00:09:19,230 Latika Bourke: the Brexit legacy, or whatever gripe they have today or 166 00:09:19,230 --> 00:09:23,520 Latika Bourke: tomorrow, that they cannot come around a single candidate. The 167 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,790 Latika Bourke: moment they could, there would be that tap on the 168 00:09:26,790 --> 00:09:30,840 Latika Bourke: shoulder and Liz Truss would be gone. And the fact 169 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,179 Latika Bourke: that she's still in the job means they can't decide 170 00:09:33,179 --> 00:09:36,420 Latika Bourke: whether it's Rishi Sunak, who of course ran for the 171 00:09:36,420 --> 00:09:39,599 Latika Bourke: job against Liz Truss, and he got a whole bunch 172 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,290 Latika Bourke: of Boris Johnson supporters offside because he was seen to 173 00:09:43,290 --> 00:09:47,010 Latika Bourke: have back- stabbed Boris Johnson, but also presided over an 174 00:09:47,010 --> 00:09:49,440 Latika Bourke: increase in taxes. Something Liz Truss said she was going 175 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,570 Latika Bourke: to fix. She of course came in, tried to fix 176 00:09:51,570 --> 00:09:54,630 Latika Bourke: it, and he is now running a taxing economy almost 177 00:09:54,990 --> 00:09:59,610 Latika Bourke: comparable to what Rishi Sunak was suggesting, and maybe, maybe 178 00:09:59,610 --> 00:10:01,920 Latika Bourke: by the time Jeremy Hunt, the new Chancellor, is done, 179 00:10:02,309 --> 00:10:05,640 Latika Bourke: taxes may even be higher than they were at the 70- 180 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,120 Latika Bourke: year higher level when Rishi Sunak was the Chancellor. So 181 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Latika Bourke: there's a piece of irony for you. The other candidate, 182 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,309 Latika Bourke: everyone would like to run his Ben Wallace, the Defense 183 00:10:14,309 --> 00:10:17,850 Latika Bourke: Secretary, but he's ruled himself out twice now. And then 184 00:10:17,850 --> 00:10:21,990 Latika Bourke: you come down to some lower- order candidates. There's Penny 185 00:10:22,020 --> 00:10:26,040 Latika Bourke: Mordaunt, who I think is a Liz 2. 0 candidate, 186 00:10:26,070 --> 00:10:28,469 Latika Bourke: but seems to enjoy a lot of support in the 187 00:10:28,470 --> 00:10:32,429 Latika Bourke: Conservative Party. Jeremy Hunt, now that he's in the chancellorship, 188 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,609 Latika Bourke: would be in position. And then you've got some others 189 00:10:35,610 --> 00:10:39,209 Latika Bourke: like Kemi Badenoch, who is a complete clean skin and 190 00:10:39,210 --> 00:10:42,599 Latika Bourke: very inexperienced. But if you're talking about a change two 191 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,170 Latika Bourke: years out from an election, the Conservative Party is in 192 00:10:46,170 --> 00:10:49,020 Latika Bourke: the mode of saving furniture. The polls coming out right 193 00:10:49,020 --> 00:10:54,000 Latika Bourke: now are suggesting that their 80- seat majority could be 194 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,959 Latika Bourke: reduced to something akin to 30- plus seats in the 195 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:03,390 Latika Bourke: Parliament. This sort of wipeout is, I mean, it's not 196 00:11:03,390 --> 00:11:05,880 Latika Bourke: even a wipeout. As Nadine Dorries, a big supporter of 197 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,430 Latika Bourke: Boris Johnson, said yesterday, this is extinction. 198 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:08,850 Sean Aylmer : Yeah. 199 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,300 Latika Bourke: That's what they'd be facing. So this would be generational, 200 00:11:12,330 --> 00:11:15,690 Latika Bourke: and anyone who comes in, their sole task will be 201 00:11:15,690 --> 00:11:17,490 Latika Bourke: to simply save furniture. 202 00:11:17,970 --> 00:11:19,800 Sean Aylmer : Latika, maybe it's time to come home. You don't want 203 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:20,851 Sean Aylmer : to be living over there for too long. 204 00:11:20,851 --> 00:11:23,011 Latika Bourke: It's a very exciting time to be in the UK. 205 00:11:23,011 --> 00:11:23,131 Sean Aylmer : That's true. 206 00:11:23,580 --> 00:11:26,309 Latika Bourke: I mean, when I landed here in 2016, I did 207 00:11:26,309 --> 00:11:28,739 Latika Bourke: think I was coming to a country that was going 208 00:11:28,740 --> 00:11:30,569 Latika Bourke: to be a bit more grown up with its politics 209 00:11:30,570 --> 00:11:32,550 Latika Bourke: and a bit more stable, having just come from eight 210 00:11:32,550 --> 00:11:35,309 Latika Bourke: years in the Canberra Press Gallery, where drama had played 211 00:11:35,309 --> 00:11:38,400 Latika Bourke: out during my entire career there, and I kind of 212 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,620 Latika Bourke: feel like I brought the infection to the UK. 213 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:41,430 Sean Aylmer : It follows you. Yeah, I think that's right. 214 00:11:41,430 --> 00:11:48,540 Latika Bourke: Because ever since I've been here, we've had David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz 215 00:11:48,540 --> 00:11:52,110 Latika Bourke: Truss, maybe Rishi Sunak, but certainly a fifth. We've had 216 00:11:52,260 --> 00:11:57,780 Latika Bourke: Brexit, two elections, and then of course the huge, huge, 217 00:11:57,929 --> 00:12:00,390 Latika Bourke: I guess global moment this year when the Queen died. 218 00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:00,479 Sean Aylmer : Yeah. 219 00:12:00,540 --> 00:12:05,670 Latika Bourke: And it does feel like Britain is very central to 220 00:12:05,670 --> 00:12:06,211 Latika Bourke: what's going on, for good and for bad. 221 00:12:06,211 --> 00:12:10,500 Sean Aylmer : Latika, thank you for talking to Fear and Greed. 222 00:12:10,950 --> 00:12:11,490 Latika Bourke: Thank you. 223 00:12:12,179 --> 00:12:14,340 Sean Aylmer : That was Latika Bourke, a journalist with The Age and 224 00:12:14,340 --> 00:12:16,980 Sean Aylmer : The Sydney Morning Herald based in London. This is the 225 00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:19,050 Sean Aylmer : Fear and Greed Daily Interview. 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