Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded and produced on gadigal Land. We
Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians and pay our
Speaker 1: respect to elder's past and present. Ladies and gentlemen, Can
Speaker 1: I please have your attention?
Speaker 2: This is my final MATHS related interview.
Speaker 1: Are they talking about me?
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, it was Australia's reactions because a lot
Speaker 2: of drama and they never got it.
Speaker 1: It just went nuts. Hello, this is Selena and this
Speaker 1: is tiny and we thought we'd do another extra bonus
Speaker 1: episode for you guys this week because a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff has gone the album on Maths. Yeah, always always,
Speaker 1: So this is Meet the Family.
Speaker 2: Wee yes.
Speaker 1: We're also joined by our producer Hannah we has thoughts.
Speaker 3: As well, so many yes yeh.
Speaker 2: Friends and Family week.
Speaker 3: So last night we saw Jackie and Ryan did their
Speaker 3: friends and family stuff.
Speaker 2: Boring, boring.
Speaker 3: What everyone was watching was Adrian and Athena, and honestly,
Speaker 3: I found it a really difficult watch.
Speaker 1: I found it extremely triggering. We were saying this super triggering,
Speaker 1: and I think not in the way that I thought
Speaker 1: it would be.
Speaker 2: I was like a drama tea. Then I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: this is like.
Speaker 1: A lot yep. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So for context, he was joined by his twin sisters Yes,
Speaker 3: and a friend Jasmine.
Speaker 2: Who is actually a TikToker.
Speaker 3: Yes, Jasmine eats Ye who has now come out doing
Speaker 3: like an apology, saying like tonight you'll see me on Maths.
Speaker 3: But you know, I come across in a way that
Speaker 3: it's not me. I'm not actually friends with him anymore.
Speaker 3: What did you guys think about that?
Speaker 1: I think it's great when anyone apologizes and he's accountable
Speaker 1: for what they have said and done. Obviously, I don't
Speaker 1: know if she saw that before she did that apology,
Speaker 1: because it was like probably worse than what she probably
Speaker 1: would have imagined. So part of me is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's acknowledged that she's not friends with anymore. I don't
Speaker 1: know what more we can get from her. But it
Speaker 1: was like, not good, babe. It was really like it
Speaker 1: was such a hard watch. And I have a lot
Speaker 1: of thoughts and feelings around girl best friends, and this
Speaker 1: is literally an example of what I hate and it
Speaker 1: just was like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Not good, Yeah, really not good.
Speaker 3: Before we get into like the actual behaviors and everything,
Speaker 3: I have a question as a viewer of Maths, Selena
Speaker 3: I'm not sure because of COVID. Did you do the
Speaker 3: friends and family?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Because your parents were on the show a.
Speaker 3: Lot, but I know that it was.
Speaker 1: Yes, So because of COVID we had to go to
Speaker 1: a cinema and watch our families and friends through like
Speaker 1: at the movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: It sucked because I wanted more one on one and
Speaker 1: they couldn't get my mum on time because the internet
Speaker 1: wasn't connecting or something on her end. Was it a
Speaker 1: video you could talk about a skype thing? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a Skype interview.
Speaker 3: So do you guys know your friends and family that
Speaker 3: agree to be involved in it? A Did they sign
Speaker 3: contracts around their appearance?
Speaker 1: Yeah, same things, same things, similar to the contract that
Speaker 1: we signed. It's only like a three page or something,
Speaker 1: but it's the same. You might not be shown in
Speaker 1: a positive light, it's the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: Interesting And do they get pushed by producers? Like would
Speaker 3: the producers have said, Athena sister's not here yet, I
Speaker 3: want you three to come in and go absolutely crazy
Speaker 3: a Afena, Defend Adrian, he's your best friend. Defend him,
Speaker 3: Defend him? Like could there be a little bit of that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, yes, Yeah, I definitely feel like they
Speaker 1: prompt you to being like, you know your brother's going
Speaker 1: through this, you know, really need you to emphasize on that,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, yeah, I feel like they.
Speaker 3: Do interesting for sure. Did you feel the gang up
Speaker 3: thing with your situation? Not?
Speaker 1: Well. We actually had a lovely family and friends lunch.
Speaker 1: It was my sister and my best friend, and then
Speaker 1: it was partners.
Speaker 2: Mum and sister and it was fine. The only thing I.
Speaker 1: Felt was a bit crappy with that experience was that
Speaker 1: they'd flown from Perth and the time they got to
Speaker 1: spend together was only on camera really, so it was
Speaker 1: like an one hour or two hours. It was just
Speaker 1: a bit crappy because he couldn't really speak to them
Speaker 1: like off camera and like catch up about other stuff.
Speaker 1: And anytime we'd speak about stuff that was non show related,
Speaker 1: we got shut down by producers, so it'd be like,
Speaker 1: keep it to like the show, keep it to what
Speaker 1: you guys are doing. And it just was really weird
Speaker 1: and structured, whereas it wouldn't be like a normal one
Speaker 1: you'd have with like your friends and family chatting about
Speaker 1: life affairs or something, you know, So that's what is
Speaker 1: a bit forced and uncomfortable about it.
Speaker 2: But we didn't have the gang up.
Speaker 1: I felt like they did probe his mum and sister
Speaker 1: to ask certain questions which I think I answered fine,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't.
Speaker 2: I think it could have gone a.
Speaker 1: Different way if producers one or two, or if I
Speaker 1: have reacted differently potentially.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the other question I have as a viewer,
Speaker 3: just before we get into what happened is they were in.
Speaker 1: A pub in Wallara that I used to work was
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 3: No, I used to work at that pub, but when
Speaker 3: you go into that situation, there was kind of like
Speaker 3: patrons and different people outside as they walked in. Would
Speaker 3: they have like a room section of the production it wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Be people or yeah, no, it would be like a
Speaker 1: sectioned off bit and yeah, like we had at a
Speaker 1: weird time. So it wasn't when the pub was open,
Speaker 1: I think from my memory, so no one was in there.
Speaker 2: We had like the whole venue basically. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: really weird. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ours was during COVID, so we had to get special
Speaker 1: like approvals and for certain locations, so it was like vacant.
Speaker 1: We basically had the whole thing if you were allowed
Speaker 1: to film do it off site. But a majority of
Speaker 1: our show was filmed in sky sweets. That's what I
Speaker 1: just have to quickly add, it's not called sky sweets
Speaker 1: anymore because she's called something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah one, I don't know. I saw the sign. She
Speaker 2: was like, why is it not called sky sweets?
Speaker 1: Stop where the sky sweets? In my mind?
Speaker 3: So getting back to what actually happened now that all
Speaker 3: my sneaky questions about production are over. I know, Tiny
Speaker 3: you sent our group chat a little video of someone
Speaker 3: breaking down, Yes the behavior and you wanted to yes
Speaker 3: had it?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: So io video this morning. Actually it was by a
Speaker 1: creator called Amy Dickinson, and she pretty much said the
Speaker 1: behavior that we saw from the sisters and the friend
Speaker 1: was a I've never heard of this before, but it's
Speaker 1: called the monkeys, or like the flying monkeys, and it
Speaker 1: essentially is Wizard of Oz the flying monkeys.
Speaker 2: To do your dirty work for you.
Speaker 1: So whether that is supporting your views on things or
Speaker 1: like to attack you, whatever it is, it's like they're
Speaker 1: doing the work for you. And it kind of felt
Speaker 1: like that watching that scene was that the flying monkeys
Speaker 1: were the ones asking the questions. He had obviously told
Speaker 1: them a version of his events, which I mean you
Speaker 1: would probably believe your sibling and your friend of course naturally,
Speaker 1: and then they're going in knowing that, ready to attack
Speaker 1: and defend him. And it obviously came off really badly
Speaker 1: on the girls. I'm sure they didn't expect it to
Speaker 1: go that way, but it's a thing that we see
Speaker 1: happen a lot. I don't know if anyone has also
Speaker 1: been in narcissistic relationships where you can feel quite isolated
Speaker 1: when you have a sense of your reality, and then
Speaker 1: when other people get thrown in the mix, you kind
Speaker 1: of want them to like validate you, and when they
Speaker 1: don't see opposite and you feel attacked, it just makes
Speaker 1: it like worse much. I'm not saying that's what this
Speaker 1: is the case is, but I'm just in general, that's
Speaker 1: what that whole thing was. And it was really hard
Speaker 1: to watch, and it was really like whoa, Like, what's
Speaker 1: going on? It just seemed ridiculous, like the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So recently, I've shared a lot about my family dynamic
Speaker 1: on TikTok, and as someone who's done a lot of therapy,
Speaker 1: I realized that my mom is a narcissist, and being
Speaker 1: raised by a narcissistic mom is on a whole nother level.
Speaker 1: I don't have any siblings either, so it was literally myself,
Speaker 1: my mom, and my dad. And all I can say
Speaker 1: is the one thing that is worse than are narcissist
Speaker 1: is that enableers for people that are around them, that
Speaker 1: back them and awful. Yeah, awful, And they make you
Speaker 1: feel like you already feel crazy when you're being gastly
Speaker 1: by a narcissists. Yeah, and when you've got someone closest
Speaker 1: to you that's meant to protect you going no, like
Speaker 1: you know, you're meant to be a good girl, you
Speaker 1: meant to behave like she's your mom. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 1: kind of felt like it was the same dynamic. Yeah
Speaker 1: with Adrian and his sisters. Sisters were like enabling his
Speaker 1: bad And it's hard because there's no denying that he
Speaker 1: might be a good brother, he might be a good friend,
Speaker 1: but he's just a shit boyfriend, like he's a ship partner,
Speaker 1: and that I think sometimes in these situations it can
Speaker 1: be hard for family members and friends to differentiate that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's not like just because someone is bad in
Speaker 1: one area of their life. They're horrible in every other aspect,
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure he's got a great relationship with his
Speaker 1: family and with the friend. Well not anymore because they're
Speaker 1: not friends. But you know, it's like they it's hard
Speaker 1: when they're just seeing things blindly from his perspective. They
Speaker 1: and they weren't even listening to what Athene was saying,
Speaker 1: like they were just like like piling on and I
Speaker 1: just was like, can you just hear what she's saying? Also,
Speaker 1: I think that I wanted to flag the aggressive comment
Speaker 1: felt a little bit like a microaggression how they were
Speaker 1: saying when clear is it clear? At the sisters was
Speaker 1: like fighting back who slay, loved her, need her in
Speaker 1: my every opportunity, and they were just like bring the
Speaker 1: decibels down, and you're being really aggressive. I just am
Speaker 1: like triggered, like hate hate that hate that. I just
Speaker 1: hated how they brought up Athene's child. Oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: you know, like the whole like, oh you know I
Speaker 1: do bring up my child every now and then. Then
Speaker 1: someone was like that will dig and oh well she'll
Speaker 1: hope so and it's like, dude, that was so unnecessary
Speaker 1: to say that. The sister being like I've taken time
Speaker 1: away from my child. As if three days compares to
Speaker 1: three weeks. I could not I was so triggered.
Speaker 3: Also, I feel like there's all this enabling behavior of
Speaker 3: the family and the friends and enabling ag and to
Speaker 3: act like that. But on top of it, I feel
Speaker 3: like Maps as a whole is enabling the behavior. This
Speaker 3: is what I mean, because they let those three women
Speaker 3: in there to start when her support person wasn't having ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's.
Speaker 1: Like that was a choice that was excited and that's
Speaker 1: absolutely choice because people are getting wiped up. They arrive
Speaker 1: at the same time, there's a production schedule that's intentional.
Speaker 3: You're filming intentional.
Speaker 1: And there's only one or two cameramen, so you know,
Speaker 1: that's like they're all they're separated, and then you do
Speaker 1: it and you do it again and then you're ready.
Speaker 3: Well, we better wrap it here as normal. We have
Speaker 3: the episode on Thursday. But yeah, we just wanted to
Speaker 3: get down and dirty about Summer the year stuff we
Speaker 3: saw on TV.
Speaker 1: Thank you lady, Thank you