WEBVTT - Adrian And Awhina... A Hard Watch 

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast was recorded and produced on gadigal Land. We

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<v Speaker 1>would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians and pay our

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<v Speaker 1>respect to elder's past and present. Ladies and gentlemen, Can

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<v Speaker 1>I please have your attention?

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<v Speaker 2>This is my final MATHS related interview.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they talking about me?

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, yeah, it was Australia's reactions because a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of drama and they never got it.

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<v Speaker 1>It just went nuts. Hello, this is Selena and this

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<v Speaker 1>is tiny and we thought we'd do another extra bonus

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<v Speaker 1>episode for you guys this week because a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff has gone the album on Maths. Yeah, always always,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is Meet the Family.

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<v Speaker 2>Wee yes.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also joined by our producer Hannah we has thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>As well, so many yes yeh.

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<v Speaker 2>Friends and Family week.

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<v Speaker 3>So last night we saw Jackie and Ryan did their

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<v Speaker 3>friends and family stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Boring, boring.

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<v Speaker 3>What everyone was watching was Adrian and Athena, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>I found it a really difficult watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I found it extremely triggering. We were saying this super triggering,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think not in the way that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it would be.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like a drama tea. Then I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot yep. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So for context, he was joined by his twin sisters Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and a friend Jasmine.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is actually a TikToker.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Jasmine eats Ye who has now come out doing

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<v Speaker 3>like an apology, saying like tonight you'll see me on Maths.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I come across in a way that

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<v Speaker 3>it's not me. I'm not actually friends with him anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>What did you guys think about that?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's great when anyone apologizes and he's accountable

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<v Speaker 1>for what they have said and done. Obviously, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if she saw that before she did that apology,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was like probably worse than what she probably

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<v Speaker 1>would have imagined. So part of me is like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>she's acknowledged that she's not friends with anymore. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what more we can get from her. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, not good, babe. It was really like it

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<v Speaker 1>was such a hard watch. And I have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of thoughts and feelings around girl best friends, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is literally an example of what I hate and it

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<v Speaker 1>just was like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Not good, Yeah, really not good.

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<v Speaker 3>Before we get into like the actual behaviors and everything,

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<v Speaker 3>I have a question as a viewer of Maths, Selena

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure because of COVID. Did you do the

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<v Speaker 3>friends and family?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Because your parents were on the show a.

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<v Speaker 3>Lot, but I know that it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So because of COVID we had to go to

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<v Speaker 1>a cinema and watch our families and friends through like

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<v Speaker 1>at the movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, come, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It sucked because I wanted more one on one and

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't get my mum on time because the internet

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't connecting or something on her end. Was it a

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<v Speaker 1>video you could talk about a skype thing? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like a Skype interview.

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<v Speaker 3>So do you guys know your friends and family that

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<v Speaker 3>agree to be involved in it? A Did they sign

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<v Speaker 3>contracts around their appearance?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, same things, same things, similar to the contract that

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<v Speaker 1>we signed. It's only like a three page or something,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's the same. You might not be shown in

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<v Speaker 1>a positive light, it's the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting And do they get pushed by producers? Like would

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<v Speaker 3>the producers have said, Athena sister's not here yet, I

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<v Speaker 3>want you three to come in and go absolutely crazy

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<v Speaker 3>a Afena, Defend Adrian, he's your best friend. Defend him,

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<v Speaker 3>Defend him? Like could there be a little bit of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, yes, Yeah, I definitely feel like they

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<v Speaker 1>prompt you to being like, you know your brother's going

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<v Speaker 1>through this, you know, really need you to emphasize on that,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, yeah, yeah, I feel like they.

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<v Speaker 3>Do interesting for sure. Did you feel the gang up

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<v Speaker 3>thing with your situation? Not?

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<v Speaker 1>Well. We actually had a lovely family and friends lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>It was my sister and my best friend, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it was partners.

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<v Speaker 2>Mum and sister and it was fine. The only thing I.

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<v Speaker 1>Felt was a bit crappy with that experience was that

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<v Speaker 1>they'd flown from Perth and the time they got to

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<v Speaker 1>spend together was only on camera really, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>like an one hour or two hours. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>a bit crappy because he couldn't really speak to them

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<v Speaker 1>like off camera and like catch up about other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And anytime we'd speak about stuff that was non show related,

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<v Speaker 1>we got shut down by producers, so it'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>keep it to like the show, keep it to what

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are doing. And it just was really weird

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<v Speaker 1>and structured, whereas it wouldn't be like a normal one

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have with like your friends and family chatting about

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<v Speaker 1>life affairs or something, you know, So that's what is

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<v Speaker 1>a bit forced and uncomfortable about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But we didn't have the gang up.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like they did probe his mum and sister

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<v Speaker 1>to ask certain questions which I think I answered fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it could have gone a.

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<v Speaker 1>Different way if producers one or two, or if I

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<v Speaker 1>have reacted differently potentially.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And the other question I have as a viewer,

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<v Speaker 3>just before we get into what happened is they were in.

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<v Speaker 1>A pub in Wallara that I used to work was

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<v Speaker 1>the same.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I used to work at that pub, but when

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<v Speaker 3>you go into that situation, there was kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>patrons and different people outside as they walked in. Would

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<v Speaker 3>they have like a room section of the production it wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Be people or yeah, no, it would be like a

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<v Speaker 1>sectioned off bit and yeah, like we had at a

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<v Speaker 1>weird time. So it wasn't when the pub was open,

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<v Speaker 1>I think from my memory, so no one was in there.

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<v Speaker 2>We had like the whole venue basically. Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>really weird. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Ours was during COVID, so we had to get special

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<v Speaker 1>like approvals and for certain locations, so it was like vacant.

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<v Speaker 1>We basically had the whole thing if you were allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to film do it off site. But a majority of

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<v Speaker 1>our show was filmed in sky sweets. That's what I

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<v Speaker 1>just have to quickly add, it's not called sky sweets

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<v Speaker 1>anymore because she's called something else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah one, I don't know. I saw the sign. She

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<v Speaker 2>was like, why is it not called sky sweets?

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<v Speaker 1>Stop where the sky sweets? In my mind?

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<v Speaker 3>So getting back to what actually happened now that all

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<v Speaker 3>my sneaky questions about production are over. I know, Tiny

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<v Speaker 3>you sent our group chat a little video of someone

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<v Speaker 3>breaking down, Yes the behavior and you wanted to yes

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<v Speaker 3>had it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>So io video this morning. Actually it was by a

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<v Speaker 1>creator called Amy Dickinson, and she pretty much said the

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<v Speaker 1>behavior that we saw from the sisters and the friend

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<v Speaker 1>was a I've never heard of this before, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>called the monkeys, or like the flying monkeys, and it

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<v Speaker 1>essentially is Wizard of Oz the flying monkeys.

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<v Speaker 2>To do your dirty work for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So whether that is supporting your views on things or

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<v Speaker 1>like to attack you, whatever it is, it's like they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing the work for you. And it kind of felt

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<v Speaker 1>like that watching that scene was that the flying monkeys

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<v Speaker 1>were the ones asking the questions. He had obviously told

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<v Speaker 1>them a version of his events, which I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>would probably believe your sibling and your friend of course naturally,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they're going in knowing that, ready to attack

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<v Speaker 1>and defend him. And it obviously came off really badly

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<v Speaker 1>on the girls. I'm sure they didn't expect it to

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<v Speaker 1>go that way, but it's a thing that we see

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<v Speaker 1>happen a lot. I don't know if anyone has also

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<v Speaker 1>been in narcissistic relationships where you can feel quite isolated

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<v Speaker 1>when you have a sense of your reality, and then

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<v Speaker 1>when other people get thrown in the mix, you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of want them to like validate you, and when they

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<v Speaker 1>don't see opposite and you feel attacked, it just makes

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<v Speaker 1>it like worse much. I'm not saying that's what this

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<v Speaker 1>is the case is, but I'm just in general, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what that whole thing was. And it was really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to watch, and it was really like whoa, Like, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on? It just seemed ridiculous, like the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So recently, I've shared a lot about my family dynamic

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<v Speaker 1>on TikTok, and as someone who's done a lot of therapy,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that my mom is a narcissist, and being

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<v Speaker 1>raised by a narcissistic mom is on a whole nother level.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any siblings either, so it was literally myself,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom, and my dad. And all I can say

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<v Speaker 1>is the one thing that is worse than are narcissist

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<v Speaker 1>is that enableers for people that are around them, that

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<v Speaker 1>back them and awful. Yeah, awful, And they make you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you already feel crazy when you're being gastly

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<v Speaker 1>by a narcissists. Yeah, and when you've got someone closest

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<v Speaker 1>to you that's meant to protect you going no, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're meant to be a good girl, you

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<v Speaker 1>meant to behave like she's your mom. Yeah, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of felt like it was the same dynamic. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>with Adrian and his sisters. Sisters were like enabling his

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<v Speaker 1>bad And it's hard because there's no denying that he

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<v Speaker 1>might be a good brother, he might be a good friend,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's just a shit boyfriend, like he's a ship partner,

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<v Speaker 1>and that I think sometimes in these situations it can

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<v Speaker 1>be hard for family members and friends to differentiate that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not like just because someone is bad in

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<v Speaker 1>one area of their life. They're horrible in every other aspect,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm sure he's got a great relationship with his

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<v Speaker 1>family and with the friend. Well not anymore because they're

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<v Speaker 1>not friends. But you know, it's like they it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>when they're just seeing things blindly from his perspective. They

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<v Speaker 1>and they weren't even listening to what Athene was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>like they were just like like piling on and I

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<v Speaker 1>just was like, can you just hear what she's saying? Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I wanted to flag the aggressive comment

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<v Speaker 1>felt a little bit like a microaggression how they were

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<v Speaker 1>saying when clear is it clear? At the sisters was

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<v Speaker 1>like fighting back who slay, loved her, need her in

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<v Speaker 1>my every opportunity, and they were just like bring the

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<v Speaker 1>decibels down, and you're being really aggressive. I just am

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<v Speaker 1>like triggered, like hate hate that hate that. I just

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<v Speaker 1>hated how they brought up Athene's child. Oh yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the whole like, oh you know I

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<v Speaker 1>do bring up my child every now and then. Then

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<v Speaker 1>someone was like that will dig and oh well she'll

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<v Speaker 1>hope so and it's like, dude, that was so unnecessary

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<v Speaker 1>to say that. The sister being like I've taken time

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<v Speaker 1>away from my child. As if three days compares to

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<v Speaker 1>three weeks. I could not I was so triggered.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, I feel like there's all this enabling behavior of

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<v Speaker 3>the family and the friends and enabling ag and to

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<v Speaker 3>act like that. But on top of it, I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like Maps as a whole is enabling the behavior. This

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<v Speaker 3>is what I mean, because they let those three women

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<v Speaker 3>in there to start when her support person wasn't having ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that was a choice that was excited and that's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely choice because people are getting wiped up. They arrive

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, there's a production schedule that's intentional.

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<v Speaker 3>You're filming intentional.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's only one or two cameramen, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like they're all they're separated, and then you do

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<v Speaker 1>it and you do it again and then you're ready.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we better wrap it here as normal. We have

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<v Speaker 3>the episode on Thursday. But yeah, we just wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>get down and dirty about Summer the year stuff we

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<v Speaker 3>saw on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you lady, Thank you