Speaker 1: I'm I Boris and this is straight talk. You're getting
Speaker 1: all this on? Yeah, we are. Millly Ford welcome straight talk.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Mily Forward.
Speaker 1: The Singerly Forward, the actress about massive success in your TikTok?
Speaker 1: Do you think people relate to you because we are
Speaker 1: seek to death or perfection?
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty percent. It's like, I am so
Speaker 2: chaotic and scatter brained, but it also gives me the
Speaker 2: ability to find humor in chaos and be relatable for people.
Speaker 2: I'm not living a perfect life and we need people
Speaker 2: to show the realities of life. Just be yourself.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only talked about to my family friends. It
Speaker 2: could be first So oh my gosh. We're getting very
Speaker 2: deep and it's like ten minutes in, like.
Speaker 1: We just to start. Lily Ford, welcome straight talk.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: You look great, Thank you. Can I just comment on
Speaker 1: your shoes?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we just talk for about five minutes. We
Speaker 1: might have got it on film, but we just talked
Speaker 1: about I've got to talk issues more imporn. I want
Speaker 1: to talk your socks.
Speaker 2: Okay, good because that was the one comment I made
Speaker 2: to myself coming in here.
Speaker 1: Here it is, I said.
Speaker 2: I also didn't tell my legs. I didn't think my
Speaker 2: feet were going to be shown on here.
Speaker 1: It's okay, but they're they're great, just like Chanel. That's
Speaker 1: the Chanelle.
Speaker 2: Signs Chanel, and they're pearls.
Speaker 1: They look awesome, they look nice and relaxing, comfortable, but
Speaker 1: they do stand out. I had to say something about it, right,
Speaker 1: So Millie tell me. I want to go backwards, but
Speaker 1: my stuff and where we are today? Right? What are
Speaker 1: you doing right now? So what's your main game day day?
Speaker 1: I heard you when you're coming and you said, look
Speaker 1: one man man, because you because we expect you walking
Speaker 1: with a big entourage and make up specialists, hairstylists, blah blah.
Speaker 1: So you're one man man. What are you doing? What's
Speaker 1: your deal for me?
Speaker 2: I think people in my life would argue that it's
Speaker 2: time that I did actually expand my team of one.
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to lie. This is all you
Speaker 2: need to know about me. I put out a PA
Speaker 2: call out on my story Instagram story like in August
Speaker 2: last year, and I still haven't selected my PA, so
Speaker 2: I had to do it.
Speaker 1: Did you get any response?
Speaker 2: I got hundreds and I looked at that and I thought,
Speaker 2: I can't do that. So I put it to the side,
Speaker 2: and I was like, by the time it came around
Speaker 2: to this year, I was like, most of those people
Speaker 2: would have jobs. So I did it again, and so
Speaker 2: I did another call out three weeks ago, and I've
Speaker 2: managed to go through them, but I haven't actually contacted
Speaker 2: them because for some reason, I've like resisted bringing someone
Speaker 2: on even though I know it's the best. It's okay,
Speaker 2: I know what it is. I've worked backwards as to why.
Speaker 2: It's because so I work from home, I'm so nervous
Speaker 2: about having someone in and amongst my private space and
Speaker 2: losing like freedom almost and so I'm like hanging on
Speaker 2: to dear life to this last bit of freedom because
Speaker 2: they come and work at my place. It's very hands
Speaker 2: on job, and so I'm like, I know I'm procrastinating it,
Speaker 2: and it just scares me to think that, like I'll
Speaker 2: have a stranger in my house. That's the main thing,
Speaker 2: which is such a weird reason. But I love my
Speaker 2: privacy and I think I'm just kind of like in
Speaker 2: my head about it. But I'm at a point where
Speaker 2: I'm so aware that I need to like put in
Speaker 2: like you know, spend money to make more money, like
Speaker 2: pay someone to come and help build my life out
Speaker 2: more because like I can't do it all alone. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm learning.
Speaker 1: It's sort of the admin role.
Speaker 2: It's an admin role, which is what I need the most.
Speaker 2: Another thing that I'm learning is like, you know, you
Speaker 2: don't have to be good at everything, which that's not
Speaker 2: my forte. I literally cannot do admin work to save
Speaker 2: my life, Like I am horrible, and I always This
Speaker 2: is something I always tricked myself into, is like I
Speaker 2: put a list together of things that I wanted them
Speaker 2: to do for me, and I was like, I could
Speaker 2: do that. I could do that. Oh really, you could
Speaker 2: just do that. Just okay, scribble that up. You could
Speaker 2: just do that, scribble out. And I realized it wasn't
Speaker 2: about whether I was capable of doing it. It was
Speaker 2: actually like, so I could free up my time and
Speaker 2: had more capacity to do other things that I do
Speaker 2: enjoy and that are the crux of who I am
Speaker 2: and my business.
Speaker 1: So if you're if you're if you're paying someone I
Speaker 1: don't know, fifty bucks an hour whatever whatever it is
Speaker 1: to do admin, arguably you be earning for your talent
Speaker 1: more than fifty bucks an hour. So wouldn't be better
Speaker 1: if you just spend fifty hours a week earning whatever
Speaker 1: you're going to per out for yourself, then having to
Speaker 1: be doing these ad ministry jobs you get someone else
Speaker 1: to do it fifty bucks an hour.
Speaker 2: I meanthomatically one hundred percent. The logic is there. However,
Speaker 2: my brain doesn't work the same way, and so it
Speaker 2: takes me like a long time to grasp but I'm
Speaker 2: way better off doing that. I also have ADHD and OCD,
Speaker 2: so I very real, for real, like diagnosed clinically, but
Speaker 2: I literally it's the way my brain works.
Speaker 1: It's so warped.
Speaker 2: And like I know the logic. I know that that's
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking is irrational, but for some reason I
Speaker 2: still resist it because it feels unnatural to me.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you need to control everything? Is
Speaker 1: a part of it.
Speaker 2: So that's part of it. There is a control tendency.
Speaker 2: I think in the past, when I've worked with people,
Speaker 2: they haven't done the job as well, not as in
Speaker 2: working for me, but they've in a team, they haven't
Speaker 2: done the job as well, or I've ended up doing
Speaker 2: it anyway, and so in the past it's been a
Speaker 2: bad decision for whatever reason, and now and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, like I need to actually find someone
Speaker 2: who's going to do the job. Well what if I
Speaker 2: can't find someone? And it's just been this lengthy back
Speaker 2: and forth and I'm just like an overthinker.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I was going to say, is one of the
Speaker 1: hallmarks of ADHD and perhaps obsessing as well, But is
Speaker 1: it overthinking? In other words, not overthinking?
Speaker 2: I hate it's called ruminating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ruminating ruminate or thinking about every single possibility
Speaker 1: that could occur. And when you think about everything single possibility,
Speaker 1: you'll never get to a more because there's so many
Speaker 1: of them, and then you can't make sense of them,
Speaker 1: and then you don't do anything.
Speaker 2: Yep. It's like totally a control thing. So it's actually,
Speaker 2: this is a great segue into chatting about the OCD stuff,
Speaker 2: which I didn't realize it hard. But one of the
Speaker 2: parts of it is the ruminating. So you get these
Speaker 2: obsessions with something and then you have to perform a
Speaker 2: compulsion to neutralize yourself to make you feel better. And
Speaker 2: there's a whole range of these like it could be anything,
Speaker 2: but you perform the compulsion to neutralize it, to make
Speaker 2: yourself feel better than you can continue on. But it's
Speaker 2: all like pretty irrational stuff. So for example, for me,
Speaker 2: I have this weird thing where I actually laugh because
Speaker 2: it sounds so dumb when you say it out loud.
Speaker 2: I have this weird thing where if I think about
Speaker 2: every possible outcome that could potentially happen, I feel like
Speaker 2: I've beaten it to the punch. So I've thought about it,
Speaker 2: so I've ruled it out. So if I think of
Speaker 2: every bad thing that could potentially happen, it's not going
Speaker 2: to happen, because for some reason that has worked in
Speaker 2: the past. So I think about I like to be prepared.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be caught on a week, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: You think of every single thing that could happen, so
Speaker 2: I'm like prepared for any scenario. And also I think
Speaker 2: of the bad stuff because like there's no way that
Speaker 2: I'm going to predict something bad's going to happen to me.
Speaker 2: So if I think of all the bad stuff that's gone,
Speaker 2: it's this weird way. And so I do this to
Speaker 2: myself by city. It's just the way my brain works,
Speaker 2: and like it's obviously we chatted before. It's like anxiety
Speaker 2: based and all driven. And that's the that's actually the
Speaker 2: interesting thing the commons de dominated with ADHD and OCD
Speaker 2: that a lot of people don't know is it's anxiety driven.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it literally comes from this, like this worry
Speaker 2: about not being able to do something or controlling something.
Speaker 2: So you ruminate on everything.
Speaker 1: And so how does ZOD express itself? Then? So what
Speaker 1: does it mean for you? Does it mean you paced
Speaker 1: up and down or you're washing your hands or like
Speaker 1: or you just can't stop thinking about something?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so there's a lot of time wasted. So
Speaker 2: I'm now medicated for it, which has changed my life.
Speaker 2: So the medication that I started taking so last year
Speaker 2: I hit, oh my gosh, we're getting very deep and
Speaker 2: it's like ten minutes in, like we should just start
Speaker 2: extend that a little bit to like the middle. What
Speaker 2: I was gonna say was last year I was having
Speaker 2: a really really tough year, probably about this time last
Speaker 2: year actually, and I finally had a really dear friend
Speaker 2: of mine chat with me about potentially going to see
Speaker 2: a doctor because we were kind of like, oh, we
Speaker 2: think that you might have had HD.
Speaker 1: Maybe really just just last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, last year. My friend, my literally my cousin, my
Speaker 2: best friend. She knows me so well, and she's just like,
Speaker 2: your mind races faster than anybody I've ever met, Like
Speaker 2: it is so fast, and you're just there's so much
Speaker 2: going on, and like she can keep up with it.
Speaker 2: But like, I'm very like fast paced in the way
Speaker 2: that I think that it's kind of like a stream
Speaker 2: of consciousness. Sometimes I'm not actually thinking ahead of what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and she's just like, let's just go go
Speaker 2: to the doctor and the chat about it. And then
Speaker 2: she referred me to a psych. That all happened. But
Speaker 2: then when I was at the psych, she was like, actually,
Speaker 2: I want't you do this questionnaire for OCD as well,
Speaker 2: And that came out like one hundred percent really strong.
Speaker 2: And basically when I figured that out, I looked back
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, there's so many
Speaker 2: things that I did that I didn't realize were kind
Speaker 2: of symptoms of OCD. So, for example, the ruminating is
Speaker 2: one of them. But when I said it about the
Speaker 2: time wasting thing, so much time is wasted because you
Speaker 2: need to go and check things or you have to
Speaker 2: do certain systems in your head, or like patterns in
Speaker 2: your head, or like, for example, I had a really
Speaker 2: weird one where I felt like the light switch wasn't
Speaker 2: off perfectly, so I had to flick it off like
Speaker 2: a certain number of times to make it sure it
Speaker 2: felt right. Or checking things like I know that I've
Speaker 2: put my keys in my bag, like see it happen,
Speaker 2: but as I like two seconds later, I go to
Speaker 2: the door and I'm like, did I actually put them
Speaker 2: in there? Oh, I'll just check, And then I'm like, yep,
Speaker 2: but did I actually do it? Okay, check again? Like
Speaker 2: it is just those tiny things. It's not even that's
Speaker 2: like a very simple, simple example of it. But other
Speaker 2: things would be like perfectionism is a big one, so
Speaker 2: and not in the sense of just like everyone thinks
Speaker 2: it's like clean, like everyone's like, oh my gosh, it's
Speaker 2: all about being like washing your hands, and that is
Speaker 2: one form of it, but that doesn't happen to everybody,
Speaker 2: but perfectionism is one. So for example, I would like,
Speaker 2: I feel like there was times when I actually a
Speaker 2: lot of people ask me to I'm doing my content,
Speaker 2: and like social media, I would do things billion times,
Speaker 2: like to get it perfect and waste so much time
Speaker 2: on this tiny detail that probably didn't matter to everybody else,
Speaker 2: but for me, I actually physically couldn't move on, Like
Speaker 2: I literally you're stuck. You like know that you shouldn't
Speaker 2: go back, but you kind of give in and you're like,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to do it. So you just waste
Speaker 2: so much time.
Speaker 1: It causes you so much more inefficiency.
Speaker 2: It's inefficient, and it's it causes you more anxiety just
Speaker 2: from like overthinking everything. So there's those kinds of ways.
Speaker 2: And then I had some like extremely dark intrusive thoughts.
Speaker 1: And which means what what do you mean? What do
Speaker 1: you mean by that?
Speaker 2: Really dark as in things involving death and like violence?
Speaker 2: And I actually had to move out of my like
Speaker 2: place two hourses ago because it was just getting too much.
Speaker 2: And it's so weird because you don't want to hurt anybody,
Speaker 2: you know, no one wants to hurt you, but you
Speaker 2: can't get this thought out of your head once it
Speaker 2: jumps in, and you're like, why did I think of that?
Speaker 2: That was so weird, and like, oh, what's wrong with me? Wait? What?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, oh, like you know, or you'll just
Speaker 2: be sitting like you're literally I'll be like lying in
Speaker 2: bed and I'll be like, oh my god, I just
Speaker 2: can't get this thought out of my head, and like
Speaker 2: I'm just checking things like locked and like you get
Speaker 2: so worked up. And then I wasn't sleeping for so long,
Speaker 2: and then it was just this whole thing and I
Speaker 2: just thought I was going like a bit, I was
Speaker 2: just exaggerating. I thought I was just over the top.
Speaker 1: This is last year, this is last year.
Speaker 2: And then when I went and found out and then
Speaker 2: I went on these meds and they were therefore anxiety,
Speaker 2: and that has basically oh my god, when I so,
Speaker 2: I was basically like a literal troll in my bed
Speaker 2: for two months, just like adjusting to it. You're adjusting
Speaker 2: the chemical worry, yes, yes, the there so the serotonin
Speaker 2: update one, yeah, uptake inhibitors whatever, ye that one. So
Speaker 2: I have those and they obviously changed the chemicals of
Speaker 2: my brain. But then I hire over the first day
Speaker 2: then it started to kick in. I started crying because
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, this is what it's like to
Speaker 2: not have a little voice in your head that's telling
Speaker 2: you everything's going to go wrong all the time. It's
Speaker 2: like tunnel vision. I was like, oh my god, wait
Speaker 2: what this like. I did not realized how bad my
Speaker 2: anxiety was. I thought that I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've got mild anxiety, but it was so debilitating. I
Speaker 2: wasn't getting anything done. And I ended up booking a
Speaker 2: trip to Europe two weeks before I went, and I
Speaker 2: went on my own, something I would never have done
Speaker 2: had I not like kind of gone through this process.
Speaker 2: And it changed my life. And I think it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously touching on meds, it's not for everybody.
Speaker 2: I totally get that. For me, it has worked so
Speaker 2: well to help me get to a place where I
Speaker 2: want to be, where I don't have to take them anymore.
Speaker 2: But it's just oh and so that was for the OCDA,
Speaker 2: and then afterwards I had to start taking the stimulants
Speaker 2: which is for my ADHD.
Speaker 1: Which just sounds odden stimular, but it helps you focus
Speaker 1: on on a task. I have some experience with family
Speaker 1: members in relation to this. You know, it's funny because
Speaker 1: sometimes we get a bit weird about I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about it, you know, and people might think
Speaker 1: of something when I'm crazy or whatever, and to me,
Speaker 1: I don't really give a shit. Like I remember years
Speaker 1: ago when I was under a bit of pressure, Like
Speaker 1: many years ago, for about two years, I started watching
Speaker 1: looking at number plates, and I become obsessed with number plates,
Speaker 1: other people's on plates. And then I started to take
Speaker 1: the view that the number plate was I could interpret
Speaker 1: the number plate, and the number plate was actually had
Speaker 1: a mathematical sequence in it, and then I could and
Speaker 1: that and that those sequences were telling me something that
Speaker 1: I should be doing or should not be doing. And
Speaker 1: start off as a bit it was a bit bit
Speaker 1: of a weird thing. I was sort of joking with myself,
Speaker 1: and over period time I became obsessed with it and
Speaker 1: I had to go see somebody about it, and it
Speaker 1: was just my response to stress and pressure. But my
Speaker 1: response is that I'm an obsessive person as well. I
Speaker 1: get that, like with work of business or anything anything
Speaker 1: I'm interested in. And I had to take some medication
Speaker 1: on me out too. And people should talk about it more.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a young woman, but it's great that
Speaker 1: you're prepared to talk about it. Maybe your generation is
Speaker 1: more like that. My generation is definitely like that to
Speaker 1: be prepared to talk about these sort of things in
Speaker 1: a public sense. Now, I don't care. But the only
Speaker 1: solution to these things is actually someone tapping on the
Speaker 1: shoulder telling you, hey, Mark, that's a bit weird. You
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. Because it was one of my
Speaker 1: sons saw me staring at it, and then I started
Speaker 1: talking about it, and then and in the end I
Speaker 1: got myself, you know, I fixed it up. I still
Speaker 1: get it every now and then I can get it
Speaker 1: a little bit. I can still go back to none places.
Speaker 1: I can remember none plates. Yeah, they see a stick
Speaker 1: in my memory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, and I think about them for days yep.
Speaker 1: And then I started seeing patterns. So weird anyways, we think,
Speaker 1: But it's not about mess about you. But I just
Speaker 1: wanted why I want to say that is because people
Speaker 1: and me, people think more. Mark doesn't. You know. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have many dramas, but we all do it. We
Speaker 1: all have dramas, and we're all going to be prepared
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Has have you really, at any
Speaker 1: stage openly discussed this with massive audiences? Have you just
Speaker 1: openly discussed with the audiences?
Speaker 2: So I do. I have touched on it. So I
Speaker 2: spoke about it when it was happening. I mentioned that
Speaker 2: because I had this new lease on life, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, like I'm living again, Like it was
Speaker 2: so weird. I was like grieving in a way this
Speaker 2: time that i'd lost because I don't know. I look
Speaker 2: back and I was like, oh, had I known this
Speaker 2: like five years ago, who knows where I could have
Speaker 2: been by now, Like that's how I took it. But
Speaker 2: I was like, no, it's better that it's happened now.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't change anything about because I didn't have any
Speaker 2: of this throughout lockdown, and I think that's obviously when
Speaker 2: I started, and that's how I was so like I
Speaker 2: was actually able to function in that way. But anyway,
Speaker 2: back to the question, I spoke about it once it
Speaker 2: had happened. So this is me like going off and
Speaker 2: challengent again. I spoke about it once it had happened
Speaker 2: to my audience very like, very candidly, like I kind
Speaker 2: of was like, yeah, that's fine, like I can, I
Speaker 2: can say whatever. And I answered a few questions and
Speaker 2: people were pretty interested. And then there's like this part
Speaker 2: of me that also didn't want my content to completely
Speaker 2: change into my ADHD makes me like this, and I
Speaker 2: did this with my oc victim literally and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: like I don't want to be that person. It's like, oh, sorry, guys,
Speaker 2: my ADHD made me late, Like no, like, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to do that. I'm not going to make my personality.
Speaker 2: So I was pretty firm about that. So, yes, I
Speaker 2: addressed it, and I'm open about it and if people
Speaker 2: ask me about it, I'm very happy to talk about it.
Speaker 2: I spoke about it on a podcast as well, which
Speaker 2: was really helpful for me to kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: talk about it openly because it is important, but.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't define you. It's the most No, it
Speaker 1: doesn't define me. How'd you come to terms with that?
Speaker 2: So I just realized that I got to where I
Speaker 2: am today or like I guess last year without any
Speaker 2: without any of that knowledge that I had anything like that.
Speaker 2: So that means that who I was as Millie got
Speaker 2: me there, and that's what makes me me Like, yes,
Speaker 2: I am so chaotic and scatterbrained and disorganized and like, honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm like, why me?
Speaker 1: Why am I?
Speaker 2: Why was I created to be incredibly disorganized? And some
Speaker 2: people at my sister most organized person. I I was
Speaker 2: like that's not fair, Like that's what I'm annoyed about. However,
Speaker 2: it also gives me the ability to find humor in
Speaker 2: chaos and be relatable for people because a lot of
Speaker 2: people can relate. We need people to show the realities
Speaker 2: of life because it's just it's I'm not living a
Speaker 2: perfect life, and I was. It was pretty easy for
Speaker 2: me to be like, Yep, it's not me. It's a
Speaker 2: part of me. I'm working on it, and it's helping
Speaker 2: me set up systems and stuff like getting a PA
Speaker 2: two so I don't have to heavily rely on them
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: But I'm with that comedy in chaos that's not a
Speaker 1: bad term that it's quite a good turn of phrase.
Speaker 1: But what do you mean by comedy and chaos? Do
Speaker 1: you actually think your brain is chaotic?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Yeah, Like it's actually you know how
Speaker 2: you were saying it. Someone needs to tell you that
Speaker 2: you're weird. I like, my cousin was like, mil I
Speaker 2: know you're weird, but like that's weird. You need to
Speaker 2: go see like I am like the most Like there's
Speaker 2: just so much in here and it's so funny when
Speaker 2: I start speaking to someone new and would jumping like
Speaker 2: like next thing next, and like, wait, hang on, we
Speaker 2: were talking about and I'm like, sorry, I just have
Speaker 2: so much to say. Just keep up with me, Like
Speaker 2: I've got so much to say, and there's just so
Speaker 2: much going on in my brain and it's it's it
Speaker 2: makes me. It causes chaos in my life. So for example,
Speaker 2: before I your case for brothers, for everybody literally including me.
Speaker 2: So for example, I'll be in the middle of doing
Speaker 2: something like I'll be in the mid of the doing
Speaker 2: car this is a very eighty ahd thing, but in
Speaker 2: the middle of doing a task, and then something pops
Speaker 2: into my head and I was like, oh, that would
Speaker 2: be so funny. Way, I wonder if I have that
Speaker 2: shirt from two thousand and eight still in my wardrobe
Speaker 2: drop everything, Like, say you're doing the dishes, dishes dropped.
Speaker 2: I need to go find that shirt from two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight. Do I have that in my wardrobe. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go rifling through.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's a dress.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try this and I haven't wornt this in
Speaker 2: ages is thish. Oh my gosh, my phone rang. Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: And then at the end of the day, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I forgot to finish doing the dishes. So that is
Speaker 2: like my life is just I swear three quarters of
Speaker 2: the time I'm just cleaning up after myself because I've
Speaker 2: left a trail. It's like, you know, Millie's been here,
Speaker 2: because there's just half finished things everywhere. So there's that chaos.
Speaker 2: But also I went through a pretty toxic stage of
Speaker 2: just like I guess in dating as well, like you
Speaker 2: can be pretty chaotic as well, and I'm not really
Speaker 2: like that anymore. And actually i don't think I was
Speaker 2: ever that bad, but like probably doing things that I
Speaker 2: wasn't I probably shouldn't have because it's chaotic, and it's
Speaker 2: like for the story, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean I'm going on a different blokesore, Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is a rogue This is such a not at
Speaker 2: the same time, but more like this is a rogue
Speaker 2: story or like this is probably not a good time
Speaker 2: to go see this person. I'm gonna go do it
Speaker 2: anyway because it's a funny story. So like almost creating
Speaker 2: content from my life because it's funny and like, this
Speaker 2: is something I've noticed while in this job, is like
Speaker 2: when I now I'm like, oh that's a good that's content.
Speaker 2: Like I'll think of something Oh, that's great content. It's
Speaker 2: like anything that happens good or bad. If it's bad
Speaker 2: good content, Like it's so weird how I try and
Speaker 2: turn everything into like and this is also not a
Speaker 2: great thing, but you kind of try and think of
Speaker 2: the positive in the negatives of like, well, at least
Speaker 2: there's a funny video out of it sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And what do you do that you're actually going to
Speaker 1: record something?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I record a lot. Actually lately I have
Speaker 2: taken a bit of a step back just because I
Speaker 2: needed just to breathe. But I record so much and like,
Speaker 2: you know, come with me in Melbourne or whatever. Missed
Speaker 2: my flight, Oh, whoops, miss my flight sort of thing
Speaker 2: like that. Obviously that's not great, but people like the
Speaker 2: journey and they like to see themselves in news.
Speaker 1: What do you think that? Did you think that? Do
Speaker 1: you think that people like to see that someone else
Speaker 1: sucks up as well? As? In other words, we're sick
Speaker 1: of seeing people's perfect lives.
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty percent. It's like that was the
Speaker 2: main thing I got when I started doing my content
Speaker 2: was everyone was doing these perfect videos, make up filters. Everything.
Speaker 2: I turned on my camera, like I put my phone
Speaker 2: up against like a stack of books press play, had
Speaker 2: no make up on, hair hun done. This was in
Speaker 2: the middle of Lockdown, probably wearing pajamas and just started filming.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't care. I had a green
Speaker 2: screen background and everyone was like, Oh, this is so real,
Speaker 2: like I can see myself in you, or like I
Speaker 2: can relate to this. It's so nice and refreshing. And
Speaker 2: then it was kind of Actually, it was good for
Speaker 2: a while, and it's still good. However, it starts to
Speaker 2: put pressure on you to like always be real and
Speaker 2: like that. And if you start to kind of like
Speaker 2: move into like oh, why are you putting your makeup on?
Speaker 2: And why are you getting dressed up for the camera,
Speaker 2: Like that's not you. You're like, we don't like it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like there's always something you get.
Speaker 2: You kind of pigeonhole yourself in the relatable girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you put a square around yourself. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: which you can't step outside having having ADHD that that's
Speaker 1: not that's not that personality. That personality steps out all
Speaker 1: over the place. You step outside the square all the time.
Speaker 1: You're never in the square. People think you're in the scare,
Speaker 1: but you will step out the square all the time.
Speaker 1: In fact, you don't even know there's a square there.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like a triangle.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that as so like you've had Would
Speaker 1: you attribute though you've had massive, massive success in TikTok?
Speaker 1: Would you attribute those you know, those views and the
Speaker 1: people who follow you and watch what you do. Would
Speaker 1: you attribute that to the fact that people like to
Speaker 1: see frailty. I don't know, I don't mean frailty like
Speaker 1: in an old grammar, but intellectual frailty. That and as
Speaker 1: opposed to perfectness, because I think I think I am.
Speaker 1: I'm sick of watching perfection all the time. I'm over it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and some by some dudes are perfect by the way,
Speaker 1: you know, everything they do is perfect, but like definitely
Speaker 1: not my world.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think people just relate to you because we
Speaker 1: are sick to death of perfection?
Speaker 2: Yes? I think that is the feedback that I get
Speaker 2: as well from people who message me. They'll be like,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for like, like you've inspired me
Speaker 2: now to like I don't know, start posting or something.
Speaker 2: I don't have. You know, the perfect house, It's not
Speaker 2: all set up perfectly, you know how like you see
Speaker 2: videos online and their houses are so immaculates it kills me.
Speaker 2: And you're just like, that is their job. They have
Speaker 2: spent hours putting that together. It's not realistic, but no
Speaker 2: one sees that, and they make it look effortless and
Speaker 2: as soon.
Speaker 1: As you fashing start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, it's like they've got a team of people,
Speaker 2: Like they're at home all day setting up lighting to
Speaker 2: make it perfect. Like you cannot relate to that. And
Speaker 2: even I catch myself doing it, Like if I'm setting
Speaker 2: up my camera and there's like an ugly box in
Speaker 2: the back, I'm like, oh, there's a box.
Speaker 1: I'm going to move that, Like, well, then how do
Speaker 1: you reconcole that part? So, because you know, you're a
Speaker 1: perfection on someone side, yea, And you do you edit
Speaker 1: your own stuff?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, So you're perfectionous in that you're the talent in
Speaker 1: the in the in the video and then you do
Speaker 1: the edit. When you're doing the edit, you see the
Speaker 1: shitty black box. You're being a perfectionist. You want to
Speaker 1: better redo this. How do you sort of reconcole all that?
Speaker 2: I know, it's it seems like it's two opposite ends,
Speaker 2: and I think there will be times when I'm moving
Speaker 2: the box and like I move the box and at
Speaker 2: the end, I'm like, oh, I should have just left
Speaker 2: it there. Oh whatever, Like I kind of I always
Speaker 2: catch myself trying to give off a certain image or
Speaker 2: perfect perfect image, and It'll be after it happens and
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I should have just said that. Why
Speaker 2: did I do an introduction? As though I'm like on
Speaker 2: a talk show, I should have spoken like this, Like
Speaker 2: I do that all the time. I'd be like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to go and talk about this today and you
Speaker 2: turn the camera on and it's like you're in an
Speaker 2: interview and I was like, that's not me, that is
Speaker 2: not me. Do it again. And I catch myself when
Speaker 2: I fall into it. So there's the perfectionism of like
Speaker 2: you're trying to be too perfect. Stop trying to be
Speaker 2: perfect and just be yourself.
Speaker 1: What about this? Merely? What about if you? It's not
Speaker 1: for me to solve anyone's things, But like, I mean
Speaker 1: the fact that you walked in in an imperfect sense.
Speaker 1: In other words, you didn't put spray down on your leg,
Speaker 1: and you've got two socks on. Look, but you got
Speaker 1: together with beautiful Schanel shoes. But that's actually perfect. So
Speaker 1: imperfection is perfection for me, you know, for most people.
Speaker 1: I think most of us recognize that there is no
Speaker 1: such thing as perfect, and if we see it's perfect,
Speaker 1: we think it's not authentic or it's been dressed, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And it's not real. It's not
Speaker 1: the real deal. And you know, like if you had,
Speaker 1: if you made yourself just the talent, maybe your pa
Speaker 1: dash could be a producer as well, be the personal
Speaker 1: edits your stuff, and then you had and if you
Speaker 1: had a neutral edit. Because I don't edit anything here,
Speaker 1: it all gets into the moment my team, because I
Speaker 1: know if I was editing it, I would be so
Speaker 1: fucking critical of what I'm doing. It was nothing to
Speaker 1: you get edited. These guys, these guys here who edit
Speaker 1: my staff, they edited to their to their level, to
Speaker 1: what their perception is, and they're more like the audience.
Speaker 1: That way, I don't have to get caught up in it,
Speaker 1: and I done se myself crazy. That's maybe what your
Speaker 1: PA could do for you.
Speaker 2: I think. So I actually advertised for like a content
Speaker 2: person with it, and the people that kind of came
Speaker 2: back like there've been some definitely some good options, which
Speaker 2: has been great, and it's exactly what you're saying. It's
Speaker 2: like figuring out that it's imperfectly perfectly imperfect, because like
Speaker 2: with the socks, this was like literally a matter of time.
Speaker 2: I was like, you're running, like you just need to go,
Speaker 2: Like I literally couldn't control that. I had more time,
Speaker 2: I would have scrounged around to find the right socks.
Speaker 2: But I think you get to a point where, yeah,
Speaker 2: then it becomes toxically perfectly imperfect. And that's why you
Speaker 2: see this weird transition into people trying to make their
Speaker 2: feeds look effortless and imperfect, but you know that they've
Speaker 2: put time into making it look imperfect.
Speaker 1: Stuff, and you're like, oh my god, like this is
Speaker 1: an example of you overthinking. You're already thinking the possibilities going.
Speaker 1: They've spent their time in making it look perfectly imperfect,
Speaker 1: and you're like.
Speaker 2: How do those girls do it? They just look effortlessly cool,
Speaker 2: and I have just embraced.
Speaker 1: The foot that's cool. Though perfectly imperfect is actually cool.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 1: And then then if it's real.
Speaker 2: If it's real, if it's real, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: wish that was me so much and I think the
Speaker 2: main takeaway from all of this is, like, I just
Speaker 2: need to show up as myself, whatever that is. I'm
Speaker 2: going through different stages in my life, like one of
Speaker 2: them is chaotic. Then you know, I get on my
Speaker 2: medication things a little bit more together, then I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, having an amazing peak in my career. And
Speaker 2: I think all these different millies kind of show up,
Speaker 2: and I just need to show up to my followers
Speaker 2: and my audience as that version of Milly whatever it is.
Speaker 2: And I think it's just about authenticity at the end
Speaker 2: of the day. And that's for what I'm putting out there,
Speaker 2: but for myself realizing that literally the reason why people
Speaker 2: follow me is because I'm not perfect, and I actually
Speaker 2: this is a weird thought, but I have tried to
Speaker 2: kind of move into a little bit more of a
Speaker 2: put together state of my life, and like, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of things do need to be put together.
Speaker 2: But then showing up online as more put together it
Speaker 2: doesn't work for me. So I as in, like I'll
Speaker 2: post like a hot photo or something that I think
Speaker 2: looks good, the girls like post it, You're caught, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't perform nearly as well. As mad, dress up
Speaker 2: as an old lady with no makeup and a card, again,
Speaker 2: speaking in a high voice, like, it is so crazy
Speaker 2: that no one wants me to be hot. Like they're like, nah,
Speaker 2: do your comedy, Like do your funny stuff. We like
Speaker 2: that more, and so it doesn't like it's weird. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is weird. I actually people, everyone is telling me,
Speaker 2: just be yourself, don't try and be put together, don't
Speaker 2: try and be this perfect person. Obviously you can enjoy
Speaker 2: that and celebrate that when that happens, but it's so
Speaker 2: weird how you like need to.
Speaker 1: Just stick to what you're good at and what your audience.
Speaker 2: Likes and what your audience likes. And there's that strategy
Speaker 2: in that too, because then you like start to lose
Speaker 2: yourself and like, you know what, I've had that recently
Speaker 2: where I'm just like I feel like I've lost my
Speaker 2: spark a little bit, like where where did she go?
Speaker 2: And it's definitely due to like overthinking. And then like
Speaker 2: you know, I moved house, and like you just get stressed,
Speaker 2: and whenever I'm stressed, I just have no creative drive.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: I'm like, how can I think of an idea.
Speaker 1: Ever again, it sounds like you sound like an artist.
Speaker 1: You know, someone who's looking to you can inspire it
Speaker 1: to paint something or to write something. You know, then
Speaker 1: they need to get a certain set of conditions in
Speaker 1: order to do that, you know, like you know, it
Speaker 1: could be going to the south of France because they
Speaker 1: need a certain light at a particular time of year
Speaker 1: to be able to paint a certain type of painting.
Speaker 1: And a lot of famous artists actually have gone through
Speaker 1: those processes. I remember the late John Olson used to
Speaker 1: talk about how he spent a lot of time in France,
Speaker 1: and I can which part of France, So, of course
Speaker 1: at a certain time of year, because at a certain
Speaker 1: time of year the sun was at a certain level
Speaker 1: and it gave a certain quality of light in order
Speaker 1: to allow him to paint some of the most beautiful
Speaker 1: paintings he'd ever done. But at any other time he
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. And when you just talked about being inspired,
Speaker 1: when I mentioned about the inspiration, and then you talked
Speaker 1: about the difference between you're merely the hot roto versus
Speaker 1: merely the creative creating herself to be the old lady
Speaker 1: with the cardigan on I think audiences if they really
Speaker 1: like Milli taking the piss, in other words, doing something funny,
Speaker 1: that they get disappointed when they see Milli hot.
Speaker 2: That's what I found.
Speaker 1: They want to see Milli the funny person. Yes, because
Speaker 1: that's what you're a funny person. And if I go
Speaker 1: to a restaurant which serves great, I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: a meat restaurant, and all of a sudden they start
Speaker 1: trying to dish seafood up to me. I don't want
Speaker 1: to know about it. That's in my brain. That's the
Speaker 1: meat restaurant merely is the funny person. She's a creative
Speaker 1: So where does your where do your creative ideas come from?
Speaker 1: Like you do take the piss, So you're a little
Speaker 1: bit like the uninspired the inspired unemployed bokes, a little
Speaker 1: bit like a female version, like they come over with
Speaker 1: some sort of practical jokers, mad capping, funny shit. So
Speaker 1: where do where do you get your inspiration from? So
Speaker 1: do you walking down the room you see some old
Speaker 1: lady sitting there buying a cup of to you? How
Speaker 1: do you work it?
Speaker 2: Literally? That like it'll be at the most times, Like
Speaker 2: I genuinely do feel like I put the pressure on myself.
Speaker 2: But I do feel like the pressure on me to
Speaker 2: like find moments, little moments in the day that that
Speaker 2: people forget, like are happening to everybody. So I remember
Speaker 2: when I first started, it just was overflowing. There was
Speaker 2: all these ideas I could do this, that, and then
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, how do you think of these things?
Speaker 2: Like how do you think of I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I have a whole list, like I think something, write
Speaker 2: it down, and then I go through it and it
Speaker 2: was all just kind of like coming out and then
Speaker 2: absolutely creative block hits and you're like, I can't think
Speaker 2: of anything, and so I'll go for a walk. But
Speaker 2: I find that if you try to go looking for it,
Speaker 2: you don't find it. So I need to distruct myself
Speaker 2: and I need to like switch off. And it's usually
Speaker 2: you know how they say, like like your best ideas
Speaker 2: in the shower or like before bed, it's like your
Speaker 2: inhibitions are kind.
Speaker 1: Of down, like you kind of you're relaxed.
Speaker 2: You're relax not overthinking it. And that is exactly the
Speaker 2: same same as me and I had an idea actually
Speaker 2: walking over to the studio completely different, completely different to
Speaker 2: what I do. But I was like, Oh, that's a
Speaker 2: funny idea. I'm just going to drop that down. Don't
Speaker 2: even know why it came to me. It was because
Speaker 2: I was listening to a song that reminded me of
Speaker 2: a moment that reminded me of a person who's spoken
Speaker 2: about that, who reminded me of that that that, and
Speaker 2: there was like a like a zigzag of connections, and
Speaker 2: that was my inspiration. I wasn't going, do you want
Speaker 2: to do a post to like to write it to sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 2: to make a skit about an idea that I had,
Speaker 2: which I'll do later. But it was so weird how
Speaker 2: it came about in the most unsuspecting way. I was
Speaker 2: just like, driving here, I wasn't thinking, I've got to
Speaker 2: think of three ideas before I get to the studio,
Speaker 2: Like it's got to be. It's it's in those moments
Speaker 2: when you force it. They don't work for me. If
Speaker 2: I ever I feel something's forced, it usually doesn't perform
Speaker 2: that well. And which is why when I'm working with brands,
Speaker 2: I like, I'll be honest with them and I'll be like,
Speaker 2: this is not going to do well. It's way too forced,
Speaker 2: way too prescriptive, Like.
Speaker 1: They do they do they rescript for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so some of them, some brands are amazing to
Speaker 2: work with and they just like get it and they're like,
Speaker 2: you know your audience, like you have not come this
Speaker 2: far and like not learnt along the way what your
Speaker 2: audience likes. And then some of them are just like, nah,
Speaker 2: it needs to be like this, this and this, Like
Speaker 2: you need to say our brand name in the middle
Speaker 2: of the screen for like ten seconds. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: trust me, everyone, Like no one's even going to make
Speaker 2: it to the end of the video, like there is
Speaker 2: no point And a lot of bland brands are flexible
Speaker 2: and a lot of brands want you to do it
Speaker 2: their way, and like I try not to work with them.
Speaker 2: If that's the.
Speaker 1: Case, how do you work that out? How do you
Speaker 1: cull those?
Speaker 2: So I start from the get go. I'm very upfront.
Speaker 2: I'm like I need creative control over the final asset,
Speaker 2: depending on the situation obviously, like if it's you know,
Speaker 2: a bigger project, but if it's just a regular skit
Speaker 2: or whatever, like tell me the key messaging, what's the
Speaker 2: brief or like I need to come up with like
Speaker 2: the creative idea, the concept I can't be shoved something
Speaker 2: in my face. It just doesn't work. And if they're
Speaker 2: not happy with that, then it's like obviously the past.
Speaker 2: But most people are really good at being like okay,
Speaker 2: you know, we totally get that, like you know your audience.
Speaker 2: But I'm pretty brutal, like I won't like I don't
Speaker 2: I won't work with something that someone or a brand
Speaker 2: that doesn't feel authentic to me, Like I genuinely will
Speaker 2: just be like it's not inspiring. I don't want to
Speaker 2: get up and like do this video no matter you
Speaker 2: know the price on it, Like it actually doesn't work
Speaker 2: for me. I like, I just don't find I'm not inspired.
Speaker 2: And also I feel like I've let my audience down.
Speaker 2: It's cringey. I'm just like, oh, I got to just
Speaker 2: post this one. It's like no, like I want to
Speaker 2: post stuff that I'm really proud of and like that
Speaker 2: I know people will enjoy.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you need to get a bit
Speaker 1: nervous about it first? I mean, how important is it?
Speaker 1: It feel like it's a bit edgy or it's a
Speaker 1: little bit a little bit on the edge, and like,
Speaker 1: do you in order for it to work for your
Speaker 1: audience or is it going to be sanitized.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty like family friendly with my content, just because
Speaker 2: I have so many generations watching me, like everywhere, from
Speaker 2: like little kids in school and then to like grandma's
Speaker 2: and like moms who were like like, oh, duh, you're
Speaker 2: my favorite, Like I love you keep doing it like
Speaker 2: that vibe yeah, And I'm like, Okay, these whole families
Speaker 2: are watching me, like I know tep Like I don't
Speaker 2: know them, but they've messaged me being like we used
Speaker 2: to or we still do. We watch your videos before class,
Speaker 2: like during lockdown they'd put on one of my tiktoks
Speaker 2: and be like all right, like and I'm like, you're
Speaker 2: showing it to kids, Like I kin'd of want to
Speaker 2: be safe for them to watch and not on the
Speaker 2: teachers to be like, oh, that's such a shame that
Speaker 2: we can't play your videos anymore. And also another interesting
Speaker 2: fact is not fact, but the thing I've learned a learning.
Speaker 2: I am so happy that I did decide to be
Speaker 2: kind of a brand safe because the opportunities have been like,
Speaker 2: there have been so many opportunities that have come from it,
Speaker 2: as opposed to if I'd been incredibly out there and
Speaker 2: like that's not even me anyway. Like I do like
Speaker 2: to have some sort of like nice I don't know,
Speaker 2: not nice, but like I like it to be digestible basically,
Speaker 2: like I'm not like a hard hitting, like you know,
Speaker 2: someone vative person. No, Like I'm not like that anyway.
Speaker 2: So I am really glad that I that I stayed
Speaker 2: to that, stick to that, because it's just it works
Speaker 2: me in that way. It's very true to who I am.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to try and be someone I'm not.
Speaker 2: But I know for other people being abrasive and being
Speaker 2: like a little bit like naughty or whatever, it works
Speaker 2: for them like that and that's fine, and they do
Speaker 2: it best. I'm not going to try That's.
Speaker 1: That's because I mean I've had sitting right in that
Speaker 1: chairs the Spaniard And if you know who the Spenion is,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised you've never heard of him. But
Speaker 1: he's a very popular guy. But he's the opposite to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he says things that always controversial, but that's his
Speaker 1: audience and that's him by the way. He loves that
Speaker 1: and it works for him. But if you're it's very
Speaker 1: interesting that you talk about you know, like how your
Speaker 1: mind is chaotok and your life's chaotic. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, it seems to be pretty clear that you're
Speaker 1: you're running this like a business because you actually do
Speaker 1: know your audience. The two things you know is yourself
Speaker 1: what your talent.
Speaker 2: Is, very self aware and nothing else.
Speaker 1: But totally that's a big deal, but also your audience.
Speaker 1: You know what your audience does and doesn't like, or
Speaker 1: you definitely know what your audience likes. Maybe don't know
Speaker 1: what they don't like, but you definitely know what they like.
Speaker 1: And you I don't want to say a bad word feed.
Speaker 1: I hate the word feed, but you you provided to them,
Speaker 1: you deliver it and distributed to them.
Speaker 2: I joke about that. I'm like, Mum's feeding you guys today,
Speaker 2: Like I've got content. Yeah, I'd like Mum's just left
Speaker 2: some dinner on the table and the like post a video.
Speaker 1: But do you actually dress up for these things now?
Speaker 2: Like so, okay, this is a good get in the character,
Speaker 2: this is a great so.
Speaker 1: I they hate that word though, Segway spell, so it's.
Speaker 2: A different segue to like a Segway ride on Segy
Speaker 2: It's different. I learned that way too late in life.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about there,
Speaker 1: but I know the ones you're talking about, like the
Speaker 1: little right on on the holiday. I don't to use
Speaker 1: them anymore. I don' think I think you're illegal. But sorry,
Speaker 1: my parents, we can't do this.
Speaker 2: Back to it, okay. So basically what we're saying, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Now we were saying, as you said,
Speaker 1: this is a good segway.
Speaker 2: This is a good segue.
Speaker 1: But getting in a characters got me fucked up? Family friendly.
Speaker 2: That's the merely effect, honestly. I basically, so, yeah, I
Speaker 2: gette the character I started. Okay, so I started. This
Speaker 2: is an interesting thing. I started my videos not even
Speaker 2: thinking twice. Well, I thought maybe once. I didn't think twice.
Speaker 2: I thought, okay, teachers were cardigans. I'll just live. Oh,
Speaker 2: this is the end of carding, and I have chuck
Speaker 2: it on. I get one hundred million comments about the
Speaker 2: card again. I was like, okay, people love the CARDI
Speaker 2: and I keep that and I'm like, okay, it's a
Speaker 2: cold day and I happen to be wearing a turtleneck,
Speaker 2: so I'm going to just chuck on the cardigan over
Speaker 2: the turtleneck. People say, oh my gosh, like your turtleneck,
Speaker 2: it's the perfect. Suddenly I have an outfit and that's
Speaker 2: my teacher outfit, and I was like, I didn't actually
Speaker 2: make that. However, now I've got a costume and I
Speaker 2: cannot wear that turtleneck ever again in public. So that
Speaker 2: and the mum I think it must have been a
Speaker 2: cold day and I had the puffer on. Everyone's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, the puffer is mum. And I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this is so weird because I didn't think about it.
Speaker 2: But I also was like, wait, my mum. Also, yeah,
Speaker 2: my mum was a puff up what character created, so
Speaker 2: they kind of naturally created. But then also so it
Speaker 2: was it was good because it was distinguishable. Everyone was like, oh, mum,
Speaker 2: characters on teach, characters on whatever. And then it got
Speaker 2: to a point where I was like, oh, I don't
Speaker 2: want to put on the outfit or I wish I
Speaker 2: could film that right now, but I don't have the
Speaker 2: outfit with me, or that I come to change. And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I feel like I'm letting people
Speaker 2: down if I don't do the outfit, and so I
Speaker 2: slowly like I kind of it's a bit more malleable now,
Speaker 2: like sometimes I'll like wear the path or sometimes I won't.
Speaker 1: But basically, do you give them a name? By the way, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: Missus Brown is the English teacher I had like a
Speaker 2: project and we needed to name her. I was like,
Speaker 2: Missus Brown.
Speaker 1: And then the.
Speaker 2: Mom's name I believe is Julie because someone said it
Speaker 2: in a video and I was like, I need to
Speaker 2: stick to that now. So they some of them names
Speaker 2: the art teachers called Bronwin like that. I let the
Speaker 2: teacher the audience named her. So I was like, can
Speaker 2: you tell me? So I got the audience, like my
Speaker 2: followers to like name her, and whatever had the most likes.
Speaker 2: I just picked that one, so that one worked. But like,
Speaker 2: so they these characters are like it's so weird because
Speaker 2: they've developed into these much more like definitive characters now.
Speaker 2: Every time there's like you know that n I hadd glasses.
Speaker 2: Then I added like an upside down watch because they
Speaker 2: always do that. I was like, why all those literally why,
Speaker 2: I'm the like stuffing teaches down, sorry, stuffing tissues down
Speaker 2: their sleeves, and so I was doing that and I
Speaker 2: was like, this character like developed over time, and so
Speaker 2: now I really do feel like I step away and
Speaker 2: then I step into character. It helps me. It's like
Speaker 2: if you're play a TV show, character you're costuming helps
Speaker 2: you get into it. So that was really good. But
Speaker 2: then now I'm at a point where I'm like, I
Speaker 2: have done these characters so much right, like I started
Speaker 2: three years ago doing it, and it's yes, it's become
Speaker 2: part of me, but it's I have so much more
Speaker 2: to offer the world, Like I've got so many other interests,
Speaker 2: and it's trying to find that balance between like still
Speaker 2: giving people entertaining content, still being myself, still being authentic,
Speaker 2: still being funny, not being perfect, still being interesting, relevant,
Speaker 2: but also being myself and being vulnerable. But we want
Speaker 2: to see more of you, Millie. Oh, but we want
Speaker 2: see more skits, show us behind the scenes. Now we
Speaker 2: don't want to see behind the scenes. We just want
Speaker 2: to see the videos or like, there's just so many
Speaker 2: different things that people want to see.
Speaker 1: That's good, which is good, gives you plenty of choices.
Speaker 2: Does but then there's like that kind of double edged
Speaker 2: sword with choice because then you're kind of like which
Speaker 2: direction for.
Speaker 1: You it would be for me? Yeah, because there's too
Speaker 1: many choices, choices, and too many possibilities or sub choices
Speaker 1: within the choices exactly.
Speaker 2: So I've been through this like mental dilemma actually recently,
Speaker 2: it's probably a good time to talk about it, but
Speaker 2: it's been very much like these characters who I just
Speaker 2: adore so much. I also don't want to fatigue them,
Speaker 2: like I don't want to run them into the ground
Speaker 2: that I can't ever pull them out again. And so
Speaker 2: because I'd love to turn them into a show one day,
Speaker 2: like it would be so awesome to have a show
Speaker 2: about like mums or something, how fun, and like I
Speaker 2: would hate to be like, oh, I can't ever put
Speaker 2: on a puffa jacket anywhere and ever again because it
Speaker 2: reminds me of like it's just been overdone. So then
Speaker 2: you kind of start to step away. And this is
Speaker 2: where I have this mini like identity crisis of like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've got this platform, I'm not doing skits as much.
Speaker 2: What's going on with me? Like what am I doing?
Speaker 2: Like who am I? And I've taken some time to
Speaker 2: like think about it, I'm like, okay, what am I
Speaker 2: interested in? And the natural segue was like acting and
Speaker 2: I wanted to be an actor ever since I was
Speaker 2: a little girl, but I didn't pursue it after school
Speaker 2: because I didn't have the confidence and that kind of
Speaker 2: grew with the platform, like the confidence of.
Speaker 1: Like, hey, I can do this, Like certainly Dragon audience, I.
Speaker 2: Literally was like I was literally like I can do this.
Speaker 2: And then the home and Away opportunity came up, which
Speaker 2: was so exciting. Actually I did a tiny little cameo
Speaker 2: on Bump on Stan and then the home and a
Speaker 2: Waste opportunity came up, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm screaming.
Speaker 1: How did they come about? Did they ring you? So? No?
Speaker 2: So they actually I think what happened was because it's
Speaker 2: very like there's a lot of moving parts with the show.
Speaker 2: There was like they needed a last minute character or something,
Speaker 2: and so they put a call out for my character,
Speaker 2: who was actually an influencer, and they asked me to
Speaker 2: come in an audition. I auditioned and everything, and then
Speaker 2: I got it and I went in and I did
Speaker 2: a whole day of shooting and that was like so
Speaker 2: much fun, and it just like showed me a little
Speaker 2: the behind the scenes on set, but it was it
Speaker 2: was literally it came so This was last year in August,
Speaker 2: while I was kind of having like the identity crisis,
Speaker 2: I was like and then I was like, okay, great,
Speaker 2: And since then, it's not like I've been like overwhelmed
Speaker 2: with acting work, Like it just doesn't work like that.
Speaker 2: And so I'm kind of like, Okay, I've done that thing,
Speaker 2: Like all right, tick, Like we've got one thing on
Speaker 2: the portfolio and now we've got to be like kind
Speaker 2: of working on something else. So like you kind of
Speaker 2: are always coming back to like who am. I like
Speaker 2: making sure that I have like a strong foundation who
Speaker 2: I am because I don't want to get.
Speaker 1: Lost in as a performer or as Millie Forward, as
Speaker 1: Millie Ford. So how do you separate these things? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got Millie Ford, who's you know, Bronz woman, Millie
Speaker 1: Ford who's blah blah blah, the other characters, Millie Forward,
Speaker 1: who's Millie Forward, who's the singer Millie Ford, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. TikTok, the whole thing. What about Millie Forward,
Speaker 1: the private person? Yeah, it's so's time.
Speaker 2: For her, I know, and I like I can be
Speaker 2: very different in her, like not different, but I think
Speaker 2: I am myself online, but like, obviously there's so much I.
Speaker 1: Don't parts of your personality. That's the Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, I it's so weird because I
Speaker 2: do think about this and like I make sure that
Speaker 2: I like make space for me to feel really sad
Speaker 2: if I need one day or like anxious, Like I
Speaker 2: make space for it. And like it's taken me a
Speaker 2: long time to get here, but I've kind of reserved
Speaker 2: time for when I am on I guess for online,
Speaker 2: and I think that there's this struggle that I've faced with, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you kind of want to show the vulnerability too, but
Speaker 2: I like to be able to think through things on
Speaker 2: my own and not having the voices of the people
Speaker 2: telling me to do this, that and the other. Like
Speaker 2: I want to just work throughout myself. So I will
Speaker 2: go to my close friends and that's how I get
Speaker 2: through that stuff. And they keep me grounded, they keep
Speaker 2: me as who I am. I love spending time with
Speaker 2: my family, Like that's my personality just comes alive. It
Speaker 2: almost just reminds me who I am.
Speaker 1: Are you different?
Speaker 2: Then I'm not different, It's just that I can relax
Speaker 2: a little bit more, Like, oh, the camera's gone, Like
Speaker 2: I can just literally relax and.
Speaker 1: Slump on the catch, so a bit of you know,
Speaker 1: the cameras are going here. And when you before you
Speaker 1: came in, I heard you yell at from outside of
Speaker 1: the studio. I'm so nervous. But when you get load that,
Speaker 1: have you felt during this past hour that you've been
Speaker 1: You start off performing and you've less performed. Maybe do
Speaker 1: you feel as though you got into that got out
Speaker 1: of character?
Speaker 2: And I feel like at the start, I was definitely
Speaker 2: more on because I was like, I want to look
Speaker 2: peppy and I don't want to bring a bad vibe
Speaker 2: to it. And then now that I've relaxed into the conversation,
Speaker 2: I'm happy to like kind of like slouch a little
Speaker 2: bit more and like flick my hand.
Speaker 1: You've changed on through the conversation. And so because what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to work out is who's who's the real Millie?
Speaker 2: Like I don't know like me no, So I think
Speaker 2: what I like to do this is this is my
Speaker 2: toxic trait. I like to I'm so so scared of
Speaker 2: being perceived as boring or like a bad vibe. This
Speaker 2: is the people pleas for me that I'm like I
Speaker 2: just want to make sure everyone knows I'm not a
Speaker 2: bad like I promise I'm fun like I'm so fun,
Speaker 2: so like I'll show up and be like I'm fun like,
Speaker 2: I'm good energy, I'm good because I've probably had one
Speaker 2: too many people being like are you okay, like you're
Speaker 2: really off today, and I'm like, no, I'm fine. But
Speaker 2: it's like then you set up yourself to be always
Speaker 2: like on. But yeah, I think like just nerves of
Speaker 2: being like, well, I don't know what I'm going to
Speaker 2: talk about on here, and I think like I do
Speaker 2: like to keep some things private, like that stuff. Obviously
Speaker 2: I can be like I don't want to talk about it,
Speaker 2: but you know, like I just it's people think that
Speaker 2: they know a version of me, but there's just so
Speaker 2: much more to me because I cannot express it all online,
Speaker 2: like the way the places my imagination goes and where
Speaker 2: my mind wanderes during the day, and the intricacies of
Speaker 2: my like friendships and relationships and everything. There's so much
Speaker 2: that no one could ever know who I am unless
Speaker 2: they know me in real life.
Speaker 1: Let's all. It's just one second because I'm getting wound
Speaker 1: up over here. But you know how old are you now?
Speaker 1: Eight years? So? You know you're extraordinary popular, You're a
Speaker 1: lovely looking young lady. You know you're doing well in
Speaker 1: your life. You've got you know, from all accounts, you're
Speaker 1: a nice person. But how do you go, like when
Speaker 1: you're so well known, how do you go into the
Speaker 1: dating world? Like? How that fucked you? Can you? Can
Speaker 1: you sort of expect? Well, how do you manage having
Speaker 1: a relationship.
Speaker 2: I haven't had a relationship since I started put it that.
Speaker 1: Way, since what years ago? Three years ago? Since COVID yeap,
Speaker 1: so I.
Speaker 2: My ex and I entered things around May last year,
Speaker 2: so I came up to like three years and this
Speaker 2: was just as everything was Sorry did I say last
Speaker 2: year three years ago? Twenty twenty one? It would have
Speaker 2: been yeaph And this was just as things were taking
Speaker 2: off for me. We all went into lockdown, was gone
Speaker 2: through the breakup in Lockdown, but I was distracted by
Speaker 2: all of the content, so that was really exciting, and
Speaker 2: like no one was leaving good distraction, good distraction. No
Speaker 2: one was leaving the house. And then like when I
Speaker 2: left Lockdown, I was like, oh my god, like this
Speaker 2: is crazy, Like I was getting recognized.
Speaker 1: Everywhere I went everybody thinks I know you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone thing said they know, like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I like my friend Millie, and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: love you. And I felt like I had to go
Speaker 2: on go out and be like all good and interestingly.
Speaker 2: So since then haven't had a relationship. I've definitely dated
Speaker 2: a few people, but like nothing serious, Like it's so crazy,
Speaker 2: how much harder. Everyone's like, oh my gosh, I'm sure
Speaker 2: you have like so many people, like because you've got
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it's the opposite. Like I find that
Speaker 2: it's like there's less options, not only less options, there's
Speaker 2: less interest because everyone's thinking that. Like everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you've got access to like hundreds of thousands of people, surely,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I genuinely don't not to mention my audiences
Speaker 2: mostly women or gay men, so like that's not it's
Speaker 2: really hard. And like I was on dating apps for
Speaker 2: a while and I'm not on them anymore. So they
Speaker 2: work for you, so they were fine, Like I think
Speaker 2: I always wondered, like, going in, you know, does this
Speaker 2: person know who I am? Like you don't really know
Speaker 2: straight up, And everyone, of course is like no, has
Speaker 2: no idea like you don't know if that's the truth
Speaker 2: or if they've seen maybe a video like I'm just
Speaker 2: kind of like okay, like start from scratch, so you
Speaker 2: kind of just go and assuming that, like you're two
Speaker 2: regular people that don't know anything about each other. But
Speaker 2: I think that always sticks in my head is like
Speaker 2: what is this person's intentions? Like are they trying to
Speaker 2: get a little bit of clout like or are they
Speaker 2: do they like Millie? Like do they like me? And
Speaker 2: I always find it really interesting because then you know
Speaker 2: the classic two to three month like when you're kind
Speaker 2: of starting to realize if it's going to happen or not.
Speaker 2: I actually like always look back and realize like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know if this person actually really got to
Speaker 2: know me like Millie Ford, Like does this person like
Speaker 2: MILLI like the person like the idea of being with
Speaker 2: Milli or do that actually like me? And I always
Speaker 2: come to this weird crossroads of like I don't feel
Speaker 2: like they actually.
Speaker 1: Tried to get to know me, Like as do you
Speaker 1: get to do you let them get to know you?
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm like ask me anything like open book,
Speaker 2: but apart from asking like just being you like just yeah, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm so much dang.
Speaker 1: Around, you know, you know, like, yeah, because because I
Speaker 1: know people who have ADHD, and they can be a
Speaker 1: bit overwhelming, the speed at which they speak, talk, the
Speaker 1: spirit of which they think. I actually generally find people
Speaker 1: who who have ADHD a lot of them have quite
Speaker 1: a high form of intelligence. They're very smart. They their
Speaker 1: latch on things all the time. They might have a
Speaker 1: bit of an issue about staying on staying on theme,
Speaker 1: but nonetheless they have this massive ability to flip from
Speaker 1: idea to idea at a speed which most people don't have,
Speaker 1: and most people can't keep up with it. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: they and they can get upset and can frustrated with you.
Speaker 1: Did you find that you had a bit of overwhelming,
Speaker 1: that overwhelming effect on people.
Speaker 2: I found the opposite. I found that guys would be like,
Speaker 2: it's you're so easy to date because you just don't
Speaker 2: shut up, Like I don't have to bring anything. They
Speaker 2: literally said that to me, and I'm just saying, yeah, literally,
Speaker 2: they're like, it's great, like you just like talk. But
Speaker 2: in saying that, I actually do think that's accurate. Like
Speaker 2: I'm a very curious person and obviously I want to
Speaker 2: know who I'm dating, so I'll ask questions. I'm like,
Speaker 2: who is this? Like who about?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I asked the questions everywhere you should you should? Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I'm also very good at talking about things and
Speaker 2: like like adding bits to the conversation. I find guys
Speaker 2: just generally, not even just me, like I know my
Speaker 2: friends will being like this, aren't as good at asking questions,
Speaker 2: like they don't they. I think guys like to get
Speaker 2: to know you through doing so like activities and like
Speaker 2: finding things out like yeah, I didn't realize you were coordinated,
Speaker 2: Like wait, you can swing it like a golf club.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I played softball all my life And
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, you play softball, And then that starts
Speaker 2: the conversation. Rather than being like like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: what do you do? How do you what sports do
Speaker 2: you like? Or like how do you work like to
Speaker 2: work out, girls will ask more directly to the point,
Speaker 2: and so it takes a little bit longer to kind
Speaker 2: of get to know the guy I found. But also
Speaker 2: I think I have felt like, as you say, I'm
Speaker 2: a bit chaotic and like you know, my mind is everywhere.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm unashamedly weird and like me as a person,
Speaker 2: like I am in every sense of the word. I
Speaker 2: think people will be like, oh my god, I'm so weird.
Speaker 2: But it's like, like genuinely like the things that I
Speaker 2: I don't know, like the humor and what I'm interested
Speaker 2: in talking about. I'm curious. I like to kind of
Speaker 2: nitpick it at things and delve deeper. I've found a
Speaker 2: lot of the guys I've dated have been more so
Speaker 2: not surface level, just like they have been as interested
Speaker 2: in doing that, and so I think that that didn't
Speaker 2: click as well, Like I would love to find someone
Speaker 2: that I can just chat to about that sort of
Speaker 2: stuff and like have good conversations with, and like, doesn't
Speaker 2: I can just be myself with I say to my
Speaker 2: family all the time, I was like, I just need
Speaker 2: to find a guy that I could be so weird with,
Speaker 2: Like I just want to be weird and stupid and silly,
Speaker 2: and like that is what I'm looking for. And I
Speaker 2: think that's people always think like, yeah, I'm weird, I
Speaker 2: could be weird. They might take a bit of time
Speaker 2: to open up. That's fine, but it hasn't always like clicked.
Speaker 1: I haven't like clicked with them, So have you given
Speaker 1: up on it for a while, I mean, is the
Speaker 1: thing to work on.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I've honestly just I've Yeah, I've just I'm
Speaker 2: in a place where I am like I've deleted the apps,
Speaker 2: like I'm just not on it. I'm not looking for it.
Speaker 2: I've I do kind of think, well, if I'm going
Speaker 2: to be on my own for the rest of my life,
Speaker 2: like I'm better make it a good one, no doubt it. Like, well,
Speaker 2: we'll see. I don't know, Like all my friends are
Speaker 2: basically dating. I think I'm the last one. But I'm
Speaker 2: also just like not looking for it, so like I'm
Speaker 2: not necessarily hunting. That's right around. And I think if
Speaker 2: I was more intentional about it, then like I would
Speaker 2: make situations happen for myself, but I am actually not whenever,
Speaker 2: And this is the obsessive thing as well, Like when
Speaker 2: I have a crush on a guy, like I crush
Speaker 2: so hard, like I get distracted, and I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: actually better for everyone and me if I don't have
Speaker 2: a crush or if I'm not talking to a guy,
Speaker 2: because then I can focus on.
Speaker 1: My work and just focus on That makes sense to
Speaker 1: me after having spoken to you. Yeah, because I can't
Speaker 1: imagine if you you're you're either in or all in
Speaker 1: or not in at all, in which ca if you're
Speaker 1: all in, especially somewhere, that it will distract you from
Speaker 1: your main game. Literally now is your career? Is Millie
Speaker 1: for the actress, Millie for the singer MILLI four? By
Speaker 1: the way, you're going to do a podcast?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Have you got one coming up? So I do? Have
Speaker 1: you actually named it? What's going on?
Speaker 2: I have named it?
Speaker 1: Can we talk about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about it. I've only talked about it
Speaker 2: to my family friends.
Speaker 1: You can be first, please please please please?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I again with the PA stuff. I was like,
Speaker 2: guy's been doing a podcasting podcast. I was like, where
Speaker 2: is this podcast?
Speaker 1: Millie?
Speaker 2: I'm like sorry, So I decided. So basically, the reason
Speaker 2: it took me so long was because I was trying
Speaker 2: to find the right co host for it, and then
Speaker 2: I decided that I'm actually just going to do it
Speaker 2: on my own. Yeah, and it means, like I think,
Speaker 2: a few people when I told them, was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're just you talking for forty five minutes, I'm like, what, Like, well,
Speaker 2: like that's hard, Like I do that any every day anyway,
Speaker 2: I may as well record it. But no, beyond that,
Speaker 2: I think my main thing is like my vailable abilities
Speaker 2: have been so different to people's, and I don't want
Speaker 2: any excuses like, oh, we can't do this time, can't
Speaker 2: find the time. Like I want to be able to
Speaker 2: record like instantly, like now, like I want to go
Speaker 2: and record, and I think I have so many ideas
Speaker 2: that I can come, come, bring to the table. But
Speaker 2: basically it's going.
Speaker 1: To be called miss the Memo, miss the Memo.
Speaker 2: Missed the Memo. The reason that it's called miss the
Speaker 2: Memo is because which sounds like a random name. But
Speaker 2: first of all, I live my life in a way
Speaker 2: that feels like I miss the memo along the way
Speaker 2: that everybody else got yeah, I missed the memo, Like
Speaker 2: how is everyone functioning like I'm not, I don't get it.
Speaker 2: I think that's very relatable for a lot of people too,
Speaker 2: like we've all kind of just like well, just like
Speaker 2: getting through it. Also, the way the style of the
Speaker 2: podcast is so I'm a classic for sending really long
Speaker 2: voice memos to my friends, to the point where one
Speaker 2: of my friends has like a two minute capacity on
Speaker 2: my voice memo. She's like, you can't do more than
Speaker 2: two minutes, so I'll like do like one fifty five
Speaker 2: and then I'll send like another one for a minute
Speaker 2: and she's like, I know what you're doing, and I
Speaker 2: was like no, like I just had more to say.
Speaker 2: So they'll be like, oh my god, you sent me
Speaker 2: like a whole podcast episode, Millie, and then that's kind
Speaker 2: of where it came from. I was like, oh my gosh, wait,
Speaker 2: this actually does sound like a voice memo from me,
Speaker 2: so it's very much that. And then also having my
Speaker 2: listeners send in like anything, questions, whatever through voice memo
Speaker 2: just makes sense. So I think it's just about the
Speaker 2: fact that I'm just chaos as it is. I'm always chaos, Yeah, chaos.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about something to do with that. There's
Speaker 2: another podcast that has that in the nailough, But it's
Speaker 2: just going to be so I will definitely have guests
Speaker 2: on as well, but I do want it to be
Speaker 2: a place where it's me just like talking about my life,
Speaker 2: like honestly and what's going on. I've got so many
Speaker 2: different things going on, but also like I'm not it's
Speaker 2: a place to connect with my listeners as well, like
Speaker 2: I'm not able to really do that on TikTok as
Speaker 2: much because it's more the characters and the skits, and
Speaker 2: then Instagram's also a bit different, so it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a place that if you want to like
Speaker 2: come and get updated, come and listen. And I'm actually
Speaker 2: going to be recording at home, so I'm in the
Speaker 2: middle of setting up.
Speaker 1: A little studio, my studio area.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to edit it, well, this is this
Speaker 2: is what I wanted the PA to do. Because I
Speaker 2: was trying to edit. I did a draft and that
Speaker 2: was where I was like, why do I sound so
Speaker 2: like interviewe Like this is so gross? I was like,
Speaker 2: that is not what I wanted to sound like. I
Speaker 2: want it to sound like you're going on a walk
Speaker 2: with your friend and you're listening to their voice member that.
Speaker 1: You usual what a podcast about.
Speaker 2: Literally, it shouldn't be like and it's not going to
Speaker 2: be all like like one day hopefully it's more produced,
Speaker 2: but it's not going to be all like what I
Speaker 2: do best right is like lo fi, like very kind
Speaker 2: of easy listening. Like, it's not going to be at
Speaker 2: first the most expensive lavish like set up polish. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just going to be me talking and chatting through.
Speaker 2: I've got a few segment ideas and yeah, like I'm
Speaker 2: excited when you're.
Speaker 1: Looking at doing this, when are you looking at putting
Speaker 1: it out?
Speaker 2: So I would say within the next two weeks probably,
Speaker 2: I'm a very last minute producer.
Speaker 1: What the help I know?
Speaker 2: And I know that sounds so crazy, which it is,
Speaker 2: But basically I've got the area, Like what I do
Speaker 2: this all the time. I like, I'm so low, just
Speaker 2: do it. I literally just buy the mics on Amazon,
Speaker 2: by the lights on Amazon, the video. The camera. That's
Speaker 2: the one thing I need to work out because I've
Speaker 2: got a camera already, but I just don't know the
Speaker 2: battery space.
Speaker 1: That's the boys, because we know that stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm very like, Okay, I've got I've got energy. Let's
Speaker 2: do it right now. And like it all comes together
Speaker 2: like in like a day. It's crazy, Like that's just
Speaker 2: how I work. I can just I just do it instantly.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm actually happy to lend you the boys. Okay,
Speaker 1: the first one amazing, just come they'll come over. We'll
Speaker 1: give it to the footage out of a poet for us,
Speaker 1: so we will throw up somewhere and I'll put on
Speaker 1: my Instagram or something, and but will only the boys too.
Speaker 1: But you can certainly get any consultation from because they've
Speaker 1: helped we've helped up other people before podcasts, but on cameras,
Speaker 1: lighting all that sort of stuff. Let them come and
Speaker 1: check out it out. Just say you feel comfortable and
Speaker 1: if you need them to help you, just talk to
Speaker 1: them about it. But I'm serious because because I actually
Speaker 1: think this is something I'd like to support in a
Speaker 1: qualitative way. Just help me out a little bit. And
Speaker 1: I'm not and that way I can get out of
Speaker 1: because he keeps winding me up over here, keeps you stop,
Speaker 1: stop stop, and Millie's going to go forever. But I
Speaker 1: want to say MILLI no, I want to say, honestly,
Speaker 1: thanks very much for coming on the show. Just straight
Speaker 1: to it. And I got one I got I got
Speaker 1: like one very small sentence for you just to close.
Speaker 1: Never ever worry you have a gift. Just remember it.
Speaker 1: You've got a gift and go with it.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, and maybe you can come on my
Speaker 2: podcast if.
Speaker 1: You gonna come out, come on really forward. Thanks for Mark.
Speaker 2: Oh, this has been awesome