1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:15,241 Speaker 1: Approach, production, photo record, don't try and make you uncomfortable. 2 00:00:15,521 --> 00:00:22,201 Speaker 2: Rap, and we are back a new, revived Clink. 3 00:00:22,761 --> 00:00:25,881 Speaker 3: Welcome to season sixteen. Wow, what can I say? 4 00:00:25,961 --> 00:00:29,721 Speaker 2: Three weeks I've been able to sort of replenish mentally, 5 00:00:29,801 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: physically find that spark again. Four years of Redemption Stories 6 00:00:34,361 --> 00:00:37,201 Speaker 2: has been phenomenal and I think every guest well over 7 00:00:37,241 --> 00:00:41,521 Speaker 2: four million downloads. It's just been a massive, massive road 8 00:00:41,801 --> 00:00:44,641 Speaker 2: and a really positive one. And I think every listener 9 00:00:44,681 --> 00:00:49,881 Speaker 2: out there that is downloaded constantly and communicates, like basically 10 00:00:49,921 --> 00:00:54,121 Speaker 2: connecting each week explaining what the Clink means to them. 11 00:00:54,441 --> 00:00:58,561 Speaker 2: This season, we've changed a few things and yes it 12 00:00:58,641 --> 00:01:01,881 Speaker 2: is still the Clink, but what we're doing is something 13 00:01:02,001 --> 00:01:07,161 Speaker 2: very special. We are going to become somebody that uplifts you, 14 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,321 Speaker 2: that gives you the tools to be the best you 15 00:01:09,401 --> 00:01:12,321 Speaker 2: can be. Our guests this season are going to bring 16 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,041 Speaker 2: to the table. They're true, hardened, traumatic stories as the 17 00:01:17,041 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: Clink brings you. But what we are is giving you 18 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,481 Speaker 2: tools for success, tools for you to chase your dreams, 19 00:01:24,521 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: tools for you to be able to live your best life. 20 00:01:27,801 --> 00:01:31,361 Speaker 2: And these people are all people that have done it, 21 00:01:31,481 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: doing it successful in every possible way and strive each 22 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: day to be the best they can be. 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: Today, I am honored. My first guest for season sixteen 24 00:01:42,801 --> 00:01:43,121 Speaker 3: is a. 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,721 Speaker 2: Man that just blows my mind, and I can tell 26 00:01:45,721 --> 00:01:48,441 Speaker 2: you now he will blow yours. What he's been through 27 00:01:48,441 --> 00:01:51,321 Speaker 2: in life and where he is today is truly amazing 28 00:01:51,481 --> 00:01:55,561 Speaker 2: and credit to him. He's a man that is a 29 00:01:55,601 --> 00:01:59,201 Speaker 2: First Nations man. He's a very proud First Nations man, 30 00:01:59,281 --> 00:02:03,001 Speaker 2: does a lot with community, but also to as just 31 00:02:03,361 --> 00:02:08,121 Speaker 2: a man whose presence is just felt, is beyond words. 32 00:02:09,081 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: His name is Jeremy Donovan, and Jeremy, welcome to the clink. 33 00:02:14,921 --> 00:02:16,001 Speaker 4: What an honor to be here. 34 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:21,761 Speaker 5: I get goosebumps as as you introduce this. You know 35 00:02:22,041 --> 00:02:24,721 Speaker 5: what a privilege it is to be the first guest 36 00:02:24,761 --> 00:02:25,761 Speaker 5: of season sixteen. 37 00:02:26,601 --> 00:02:28,921 Speaker 2: For those that don't know you, let's take them back 38 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: on a journey to where Jeremy grew up and how 39 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,201 Speaker 2: it began. 40 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,881 Speaker 4: So who is Jeremy Donovan? 41 00:02:34,161 --> 00:02:37,561 Speaker 5: I think it's taken me probably forty five years, and 42 00:02:37,561 --> 00:02:42,281 Speaker 5: there's been so many different abbreviated versions of Jeremy Donovan because. 43 00:02:42,121 --> 00:02:45,041 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that abbreviate. That's a good way of 44 00:02:45,081 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: looking at it, isn't it? Because there is so many 45 00:02:46,761 --> 00:02:47,441 Speaker 3: stages too. 46 00:02:47,641 --> 00:02:50,281 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know that we constantly, like if 47 00:02:50,321 --> 00:02:51,961 Speaker 5: I look at my life, if I broke it down 48 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,001 Speaker 5: into you know, in over seven year blocks, you know, 49 00:02:55,041 --> 00:02:58,921 Speaker 5: because every almost every seven years, there's been defining moments 50 00:02:59,401 --> 00:03:01,321 Speaker 5: in my life. You know, like the first the first 51 00:03:01,361 --> 00:03:04,601 Speaker 5: seven years of my life was defined by you know, brokenness, 52 00:03:04,641 --> 00:03:09,481 Speaker 5: foster care, abuse, neglect, violence, you know, as a young child, 53 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 5: so you know, the traumatic state of being a young 54 00:03:11,921 --> 00:03:14,201 Speaker 5: child in those you know, sort of patterns. While I 55 00:03:14,201 --> 00:03:17,561 Speaker 5: don't have memories of them, unfortunately, the trials of trauma 56 00:03:17,841 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 5: exist and they're a narrative that will as we spoke 57 00:03:22,201 --> 00:03:25,401 Speaker 5: about today, is that the PTSD that exists as a 58 00:03:25,441 --> 00:03:29,521 Speaker 5: result of childhood trauma then teena adolescent trauma than adult 59 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,201 Speaker 5: trauma affect the way that I react to things today. 60 00:03:34,001 --> 00:03:37,641 Speaker 5: And I'm constantly in a state of healing. And I 61 00:03:37,681 --> 00:03:40,361 Speaker 5: think it was my grandfather, my father's father, who was 62 00:03:40,441 --> 00:03:44,001 Speaker 5: the most influential person in my life and still today, 63 00:03:44,041 --> 00:03:46,521 Speaker 5: even I didn't even have that many years with him, 64 00:03:46,921 --> 00:03:49,881 Speaker 5: but even in his passing, I've still continued to learn 65 00:03:50,481 --> 00:03:52,121 Speaker 5: from the words that he said to me. And you 66 00:03:52,121 --> 00:03:54,521 Speaker 5: know that one of the big things that he said 67 00:03:54,521 --> 00:03:58,081 Speaker 5: to me very early on as a very staunch google 68 00:03:58,121 --> 00:04:01,401 Speaker 5: yell any man from up in the kp Ork or 69 00:04:01,441 --> 00:04:05,321 Speaker 5: southern Kpe York region. My grandfather said that our responsibility 70 00:04:06,201 --> 00:04:09,161 Speaker 5: as humans is from the moment we're born, we begin 71 00:04:09,241 --> 00:04:09,601 Speaker 5: to heal. 72 00:04:10,281 --> 00:04:10,521 Speaker 4: Yeah. 73 00:04:10,601 --> 00:04:15,881 Speaker 5: Well, and if we neglect that pass or passage of healing, 74 00:04:16,481 --> 00:04:20,641 Speaker 5: we don't grow and evolve as people because unfortunately we 75 00:04:20,721 --> 00:04:23,961 Speaker 5: come into the world like we come in in a 76 00:04:23,961 --> 00:04:27,441 Speaker 5: perfect state, and then it's the imperfections of the environment 77 00:04:27,521 --> 00:04:30,641 Speaker 5: around us that damage us. And so we constantly get 78 00:04:30,681 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 5: into this state of healing. 79 00:04:31,961 --> 00:04:35,041 Speaker 2: This is a very very valid point that you make, 80 00:04:35,081 --> 00:04:39,121 Speaker 2: and I just instantly had this. I guess thought, you 81 00:04:39,161 --> 00:04:42,161 Speaker 2: know the product of your environment. We talk about this 82 00:04:42,561 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: through lived experience. You know so many traumas and so 83 00:04:46,201 --> 00:04:49,961 Speaker 2: many of our young people and older people as we 84 00:04:50,041 --> 00:04:52,761 Speaker 2: now are at a stage in our life for acknowledgment, 85 00:04:53,241 --> 00:04:56,121 Speaker 2: we do a lot of self work. We're okay to 86 00:04:56,161 --> 00:04:58,481 Speaker 2: talk about these conversations, whether it be through our own 87 00:04:58,561 --> 00:05:01,521 Speaker 2: traumas of sexual abuse, physical abuse. 88 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,681 Speaker 3: Emotional abuse, whatever it may have been that put us 89 00:05:04,681 --> 00:05:09,481 Speaker 3: on parts. But you become a product of your environment. 90 00:05:09,681 --> 00:05:14,241 Speaker 2: Now, as you say, when you're born you're pure, but 91 00:05:14,601 --> 00:05:20,681 Speaker 2: the moldings around the next forward steps because of your environment. 92 00:05:20,921 --> 00:05:23,201 Speaker 4: They're beyond our control. 93 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,001 Speaker 2: But we're always to be blamed. It's your fault. You 94 00:05:27,361 --> 00:05:29,681 Speaker 2: are the one. You're just a piece of shit. You know, 95 00:05:29,721 --> 00:05:31,681 Speaker 2: You're just like your mother, You're just like your father. 96 00:05:31,681 --> 00:05:33,801 Speaker 2: You're never gonna be that's right, You're only gonna like 97 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,761 Speaker 2: I remember, and this is not throwing my deer down 98 00:05:36,841 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: under the bus. 99 00:05:37,521 --> 00:05:39,921 Speaker 3: I love your dad, and we're in a great space 100 00:05:39,961 --> 00:05:42,481 Speaker 3: these days, but let's not cut the bullshit. 101 00:05:42,681 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: Going back to a young man growing up in the Heads, 102 00:05:46,001 --> 00:05:47,121 Speaker 2: there was a place called Rebi. 103 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:50,321 Speaker 3: So was I. 104 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,681 Speaker 2: And the thing was I was, you know, eight nine 105 00:05:53,721 --> 00:05:56,561 Speaker 2: years of age, and I remember my father literally driving 106 00:05:56,561 --> 00:05:57,921 Speaker 2: and pulling up at the front and go and you're 107 00:05:57,921 --> 00:05:58,961 Speaker 2: going to fucking end up in there. 108 00:05:58,961 --> 00:05:59,881 Speaker 3: That's where you're going to go. 109 00:06:00,521 --> 00:06:03,961 Speaker 5: So there it is, the environment that's surrounding you is 110 00:06:04,001 --> 00:06:06,961 Speaker 5: telling you that's where you're going to go. I mean, 111 00:06:07,041 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 5: you flick the switch and you change the relationship that 112 00:06:10,081 --> 00:06:12,001 Speaker 5: a father can have with us and you meet. We 113 00:06:12,161 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 5: we sat in the car and we talked about our imperfections. 114 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,201 Speaker 5: Has been fathers. We didn't know how to be fathers. 115 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: And we're we had to make mistakes, we're constantly. 116 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,801 Speaker 5: Learning' and we're constantly trying to be a better version 117 00:06:21,841 --> 00:06:24,681 Speaker 5: of ourselves. And you know, through our children, we're getting 118 00:06:24,681 --> 00:06:28,841 Speaker 5: that chance to heal and to recover. But you know, 119 00:06:29,001 --> 00:06:32,361 Speaker 5: if you get told that's all you'll ever be, that 120 00:06:32,561 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 5: environment is shaping you to believe that's all that the 121 00:06:36,241 --> 00:06:39,441 Speaker 5: world expects me to be. So of course that's where 122 00:06:39,761 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 5: you know, that's that that's the that's the trajectory, that's 123 00:06:43,081 --> 00:06:44,041 Speaker 5: where you're aiming for. 124 00:06:44,721 --> 00:06:48,121 Speaker 2: You are a man that has definitely seen both sides. 125 00:06:48,161 --> 00:06:53,121 Speaker 2: You've you've been a jail, you've been involved in gang life, drugs, violence, 126 00:06:54,041 --> 00:06:58,401 Speaker 2: You've you've ticked all the boxes to be a statistic 127 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,041 Speaker 2: and a failure. 128 00:06:59,161 --> 00:07:02,361 Speaker 5: It's one percent as as a young person growing up, 129 00:07:02,841 --> 00:07:06,441 Speaker 5: and I think I attribute the success that I'm building 130 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,681 Speaker 5: today and continue to you know, have aspirations of success 131 00:07:10,441 --> 00:07:14,641 Speaker 5: are driven today from me pulling the positives out of 132 00:07:14,681 --> 00:07:17,361 Speaker 5: the pain. And you know, one of the big things 133 00:07:17,401 --> 00:07:20,121 Speaker 5: that I've always spoken about is, you know, it's very 134 00:07:20,161 --> 00:07:23,561 Speaker 5: easy when you've had a life like ours, to be 135 00:07:23,641 --> 00:07:26,921 Speaker 5: defined by the pain rather than be inspired by it. 136 00:07:26,961 --> 00:07:31,121 Speaker 5: Because the pain those trails of trauma associated with the 137 00:07:31,161 --> 00:07:34,601 Speaker 5: pain affect everything that we do in many ways. And 138 00:07:34,681 --> 00:07:37,721 Speaker 5: so how do we how do we take the teachings 139 00:07:37,721 --> 00:07:41,201 Speaker 5: of the pain make it the foundation that we stand on, because. 140 00:07:40,921 --> 00:07:44,521 Speaker 4: Pain is a fuck. It's a staunch foundation. You know. 141 00:07:44,601 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 5: If you think of the staunchness that we operated at 142 00:07:48,121 --> 00:07:51,001 Speaker 5: to survive, it's power. There's a lot of it. But 143 00:07:51,081 --> 00:07:54,841 Speaker 5: when you're defined by it, it can destroy you. Whereas 144 00:07:54,961 --> 00:07:57,121 Speaker 5: if you're inspired by that and you stand on the power, 145 00:07:57,161 --> 00:07:59,761 Speaker 5: if you stand on the platform of pain as the 146 00:07:59,801 --> 00:08:02,801 Speaker 5: foundation of who you dream to be and aspire to be, 147 00:08:02,881 --> 00:08:04,561 Speaker 5: and that's you know, that's the thing is that I 148 00:08:04,641 --> 00:08:07,361 Speaker 5: reflect back on, you know, what it was like being 149 00:08:07,401 --> 00:08:09,401 Speaker 5: able to navigate the streets of Sydney. You know when 150 00:08:09,441 --> 00:08:11,401 Speaker 5: you talk about reb Yeah, we've been there, We've done 151 00:08:11,441 --> 00:08:13,761 Speaker 5: you know, there was Reebe, Cobbin and then Mount Penang. 152 00:08:13,921 --> 00:08:17,281 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not forget Minna and Yasma Patterson House. 153 00:08:17,361 --> 00:08:17,601 Speaker 4: Yeah. 154 00:08:17,721 --> 00:08:19,561 Speaker 2: I remember being on the first truck to carry on 155 00:08:19,681 --> 00:08:22,121 Speaker 2: you know, I mean with some of the most lethal 156 00:08:22,161 --> 00:08:24,681 Speaker 2: and notorious young persons of that era. 157 00:08:24,801 --> 00:08:25,961 Speaker 3: And it was scary. 158 00:08:26,761 --> 00:08:30,681 Speaker 4: I was young. Was Mount Penang was it was? 159 00:08:30,841 --> 00:08:33,521 Speaker 5: It was the place for the worst juvenile offenders and 160 00:08:33,641 --> 00:08:34,321 Speaker 5: Nata Hampden. 161 00:08:34,641 --> 00:08:36,641 Speaker 2: Right, I'm going to throw Nata out there because I 162 00:08:36,681 --> 00:08:40,121 Speaker 2: love your brother and Nata Hamden. Mate, what an inspiration 163 00:08:40,201 --> 00:08:42,081 Speaker 2: that man is. Stay on the same path as we are. 164 00:08:42,721 --> 00:08:46,561 Speaker 2: He's returned back to these young offenders and giving back. 165 00:08:46,721 --> 00:08:47,001 Speaker 3: Now. 166 00:08:47,161 --> 00:08:49,481 Speaker 2: I remember standing there and watching him in a bloke 167 00:08:49,521 --> 00:08:53,801 Speaker 2: called Jamie Power on the warpole and Vernon. We're on 168 00:08:53,841 --> 00:08:56,521 Speaker 2: the oval and Mate Nader could hold his hands, but 169 00:08:56,561 --> 00:08:59,601 Speaker 2: this Jamie, he was just like these big country bloke, 170 00:08:59,641 --> 00:09:02,361 Speaker 2: stood over everyone. And Nata's just kindus get out there, 171 00:09:02,641 --> 00:09:05,681 Speaker 2: and mate Nata demolished him on the oval. When you 172 00:09:05,681 --> 00:09:08,521 Speaker 2: talk about those moments, you know, I instantly go back, 173 00:09:08,561 --> 00:09:11,401 Speaker 2: and then at the same time I think of what 174 00:09:11,521 --> 00:09:15,361 Speaker 2: a beautiful man he is and what he's doing, and we, 175 00:09:15,601 --> 00:09:18,641 Speaker 2: as a collective of men that have walked that path, 176 00:09:19,681 --> 00:09:25,361 Speaker 2: are doing actively and physically present each day to try 177 00:09:25,401 --> 00:09:26,121 Speaker 2: and make change. 178 00:09:26,201 --> 00:09:28,561 Speaker 5: I think one of the biggest things is I often 179 00:09:28,601 --> 00:09:30,721 Speaker 5: reflect back, and I speak to Morgues a lot about it. 180 00:09:30,801 --> 00:09:36,001 Speaker 5: Jeff Shout, You know, dearest brothers in this world. You know, 181 00:09:36,041 --> 00:09:39,321 Speaker 5: obviously as an Aborginal man growing up, I saw him, 182 00:09:39,481 --> 00:09:42,761 Speaker 5: you know, living the life that he was living. You know, 183 00:09:43,121 --> 00:09:46,001 Speaker 5: he was my you know, inspiration in many ways, you know, 184 00:09:46,041 --> 00:09:48,681 Speaker 5: but he was you know, he was living a life 185 00:09:48,681 --> 00:09:50,761 Speaker 5: that was inspiring to anyone that was coming from the 186 00:09:50,761 --> 00:09:51,521 Speaker 5: bricks of poverty. 187 00:09:51,601 --> 00:09:53,601 Speaker 3: My best car thief in the world. But then he 188 00:09:53,721 --> 00:09:55,001 Speaker 3: was the absolute poorsche. 189 00:09:54,801 --> 00:09:58,201 Speaker 5: Kid and and you know, but but you know, then 190 00:09:58,281 --> 00:10:00,521 Speaker 5: today I look at his life and when our paths 191 00:10:00,561 --> 00:10:04,841 Speaker 5: re collided and really reconnected, it's been a really beautiful prospect, 192 00:10:05,481 --> 00:10:09,041 Speaker 5: beautiful relationship. Where as two Aboriginal men, you know, get 193 00:10:09,081 --> 00:10:12,321 Speaker 5: to meet each other. We're not bonded by family, like 194 00:10:12,401 --> 00:10:16,321 Speaker 5: by blood, but we're family based around brother. I so 195 00:10:17,321 --> 00:10:20,881 Speaker 5: respect everything that you've dreamt to create and then been 196 00:10:20,881 --> 00:10:22,441 Speaker 5: able to build to create. 197 00:10:22,401 --> 00:10:23,641 Speaker 4: And you're living that today. 198 00:10:23,681 --> 00:10:25,561 Speaker 5: And you know, that's the big thing is, you know, 199 00:10:25,601 --> 00:10:28,161 Speaker 5: people like Nata, people like yourself, people like me, that 200 00:10:28,201 --> 00:10:31,641 Speaker 5: we're living a life. We weren't bad people. I don't think, 201 00:10:31,841 --> 00:10:35,801 Speaker 5: you know, there's not one I met other people that 202 00:10:36,361 --> 00:10:40,401 Speaker 5: they were truly, like tragically fucked up, and they were bad. 203 00:10:40,881 --> 00:10:44,041 Speaker 4: They were inherently bad. To me. 204 00:10:44,361 --> 00:10:46,521 Speaker 5: We were just products of the system. We were products 205 00:10:46,521 --> 00:10:49,521 Speaker 5: of the environment. We were shaped by poverty, were shaped 206 00:10:49,561 --> 00:10:50,241 Speaker 5: by pain. 207 00:10:50,041 --> 00:10:51,761 Speaker 2: We were meant to be bad and be the baddest 208 00:10:51,801 --> 00:10:53,921 Speaker 2: at it, because that was what enabled us to be 209 00:10:53,961 --> 00:10:58,001 Speaker 2: here today had we're not been the way we were, 210 00:10:58,121 --> 00:11:01,441 Speaker 2: And unfortunately, and God bless all the souls that we've lost, 211 00:11:01,441 --> 00:11:04,961 Speaker 2: because man is we could probably count between us main 212 00:11:05,441 --> 00:11:09,321 Speaker 2: two hands of those that still walked the paths back 213 00:11:09,361 --> 00:11:12,361 Speaker 2: then the same parts today that I haven't dead from suicide, 214 00:11:13,761 --> 00:11:18,081 Speaker 2: just passing away a lot of heroin and overdoses. It's 215 00:11:18,121 --> 00:11:20,761 Speaker 2: heartbreaking to think. And then I look back and I'm 216 00:11:20,801 --> 00:11:22,801 Speaker 2: here with a man like yourself. Nat. 217 00:11:22,841 --> 00:11:24,281 Speaker 3: Do we speak of Jeffrey Morgan? 218 00:11:24,321 --> 00:11:28,561 Speaker 2: There's probably maybe four others that I could, really and 219 00:11:28,681 --> 00:11:31,201 Speaker 2: I'm forty eight and we still, you know, we're talking 220 00:11:31,241 --> 00:11:33,761 Speaker 2: from the ages of twelve thirteen still to this day, 221 00:11:34,041 --> 00:11:36,681 Speaker 2: hold of space for each other. I just want to 222 00:11:36,681 --> 00:11:39,081 Speaker 2: touch on one thing, and I want to commend both 223 00:11:39,121 --> 00:11:43,441 Speaker 2: you and jeff here because you are both proud Indigenous men, 224 00:11:43,681 --> 00:11:47,121 Speaker 2: and I am a white fellow that grew up in 225 00:11:47,241 --> 00:11:51,481 Speaker 2: indigenous community full stop, you know, So I was the outcast, 226 00:11:51,681 --> 00:11:55,721 Speaker 2: and I understand community culture, and I understand racism from 227 00:11:55,801 --> 00:11:59,561 Speaker 2: both sides, being white or Indigenous. So you know, no 228 00:11:59,601 --> 00:12:01,481 Speaker 2: one's ever going to stand there, especially in jail. I've 229 00:12:01,481 --> 00:12:03,801 Speaker 2: seen it all. I fell to all. But the way 230 00:12:03,841 --> 00:12:10,081 Speaker 2: that you men never ever once, you know, not include all. 231 00:12:10,681 --> 00:12:14,921 Speaker 2: There's no judgment, there's no us as in just working 232 00:12:14,961 --> 00:12:18,601 Speaker 2: for us. You're out there to represent the human race. 233 00:12:19,441 --> 00:12:22,761 Speaker 2: And that, my brother, I'm tingling as we as I say, 234 00:12:22,881 --> 00:12:26,041 Speaker 2: because wow, it's a little bit emotionally overwhelming, because I 235 00:12:26,041 --> 00:12:29,041 Speaker 2: remember being carn the gub, the white cunt, you know, 236 00:12:29,121 --> 00:12:32,241 Speaker 2: and copping the shit and getting jumped, and that was life, 237 00:12:32,321 --> 00:12:34,041 Speaker 2: Like I'm all good with it, and then I watch 238 00:12:34,081 --> 00:12:37,281 Speaker 2: brothers get told certain things, you know, which I won't 239 00:12:37,321 --> 00:12:39,041 Speaker 2: use the context of the words because I know that 240 00:12:39,081 --> 00:12:43,161 Speaker 2: it's triggering, but I've seen it for what it is. 241 00:12:43,481 --> 00:12:47,881 Speaker 2: So I'm speaking about because I can. The way that 242 00:12:47,921 --> 00:12:51,961 Speaker 2: you men give and support everybody across the board I 243 00:12:52,001 --> 00:12:55,321 Speaker 2: love is, I truly think, and this is why we're 244 00:12:55,321 --> 00:12:58,441 Speaker 2: here today, and this is why I feel that the Clink, 245 00:12:58,841 --> 00:13:02,321 Speaker 2: taking the direction that we are in season sixteen and 246 00:13:02,401 --> 00:13:06,481 Speaker 2: progressively from here on, can help so many people because 247 00:13:06,481 --> 00:13:09,841 Speaker 2: we have people like yourselves, you know, and you just 248 00:13:10,001 --> 00:13:15,121 Speaker 2: open up such a broader spectrum and with experience knowledge 249 00:13:15,921 --> 00:13:19,041 Speaker 2: what you guys bring to the table through ancestors through elders. 250 00:13:19,921 --> 00:13:24,641 Speaker 2: A lot of us, a lot of us don't get 251 00:13:24,681 --> 00:13:29,401 Speaker 2: that family or connection or handed down information from from 252 00:13:29,401 --> 00:13:32,161 Speaker 2: our elders and scenes because it's not within our culture 253 00:13:32,201 --> 00:13:33,281 Speaker 2: as such, if I can put. 254 00:13:33,121 --> 00:13:35,161 Speaker 4: It that way. Absolutely, with a. 255 00:13:35,081 --> 00:13:39,321 Speaker 2: Lot of First Nations people, well with all there's always 256 00:13:40,201 --> 00:13:41,081 Speaker 2: there's a bloodline. 257 00:13:41,121 --> 00:13:43,001 Speaker 3: Man, there's so much connection, There's. 258 00:13:42,841 --> 00:13:45,721 Speaker 2: So much history, and the young brothers and sisters out 259 00:13:45,721 --> 00:13:50,481 Speaker 2: there that are disconnected, get connected, get connected, bring yourself back. 260 00:13:50,521 --> 00:13:54,881 Speaker 2: Because learning mate Jeff speaks of his grandparents. 261 00:13:55,121 --> 00:13:58,561 Speaker 5: I mean my grandparents certainly, you know, having grown up 262 00:13:58,601 --> 00:14:01,801 Speaker 5: in Sydney as a foster care kid, then entered the 263 00:14:02,121 --> 00:14:05,321 Speaker 5: incarceration part, you know pathway just spinning in it out 264 00:14:05,321 --> 00:14:08,281 Speaker 5: of those different homes and then you know, sort of 265 00:14:08,281 --> 00:14:11,201 Speaker 5: transition transitioning from there, you know back, you know, you 266 00:14:11,281 --> 00:14:13,601 Speaker 5: keep you get, you get a sentence. It was only 267 00:14:13,641 --> 00:14:15,721 Speaker 5: three months that you end up doing nine months because 268 00:14:15,721 --> 00:14:19,041 Speaker 5: they can't find a group home care, so you end 269 00:14:19,121 --> 00:14:21,081 Speaker 5: up doing nine months on a you know, something that 270 00:14:21,201 --> 00:14:23,401 Speaker 5: was you know, it might have been I think I 271 00:14:23,481 --> 00:14:25,961 Speaker 5: knocked off a box of twelves, you know, and you 272 00:14:25,961 --> 00:14:28,481 Speaker 5: you know so, but because it was a compounded of fans. 273 00:14:28,801 --> 00:14:29,921 Speaker 4: You get three months. 274 00:14:29,641 --> 00:14:33,241 Speaker 3: For bitch offender. You reoffend, you're product. 275 00:14:33,121 --> 00:14:37,161 Speaker 5: And so nine months for twelves I mean, like and 276 00:14:37,201 --> 00:14:40,601 Speaker 5: not not one of those sentences make you better like that. 277 00:14:40,761 --> 00:14:43,681 Speaker 5: In fact, everyone was defined to break you, you know, 278 00:14:43,721 --> 00:14:48,081 Speaker 5: because the system was it wasn't about rehab. Some of 279 00:14:48,121 --> 00:14:50,281 Speaker 5: the stuff they were doing to us in there was abhorrent, 280 00:14:51,121 --> 00:14:54,121 Speaker 5: you know, like like being handcuffed to a bed and 281 00:14:54,161 --> 00:14:57,121 Speaker 5: then soaking the mattress and you're freezing cold. I mean 282 00:14:57,161 --> 00:15:00,321 Speaker 5: you remember how cold it wasn't carry on like and 283 00:15:00,361 --> 00:15:03,681 Speaker 5: you're you're you're laying on a bed, You're terrified you're 284 00:15:03,681 --> 00:15:04,521 Speaker 5: going to die of cold. 285 00:15:04,521 --> 00:15:06,641 Speaker 2: What about workers that had come in the night while 286 00:15:06,641 --> 00:15:08,401 Speaker 2: you're asleep and everyone's in there, and next minute you'd 287 00:15:08,441 --> 00:15:10,641 Speaker 2: feel someone playing with your dick underneath the sheet and 288 00:15:10,681 --> 00:15:12,641 Speaker 2: trying to tell you to shut up because the lithwork 289 00:15:12,641 --> 00:15:14,801 Speaker 2: grew up at the piggery and you're being told to 290 00:15:15,201 --> 00:15:17,601 Speaker 2: come and suck as a worker's dick because. 291 00:15:17,401 --> 00:15:17,961 Speaker 3: No one's around. 292 00:15:18,601 --> 00:15:21,201 Speaker 4: Balance on the baton exactly, Balance on the baton. 293 00:15:21,081 --> 00:15:24,241 Speaker 2: Exactly, bro, No one cared, no one wanted to listen, Like, thankfully, 294 00:15:24,241 --> 00:15:25,961 Speaker 2: now we've been able to bring this to the surface, 295 00:15:26,001 --> 00:15:28,881 Speaker 2: and it's taken us men a lot of courage because 296 00:15:28,961 --> 00:15:30,281 Speaker 2: find that strength. 297 00:15:29,921 --> 00:15:31,241 Speaker 4: We are forced to deny it. 298 00:15:32,121 --> 00:15:35,001 Speaker 5: You just could we grew up if we admitted sexual 299 00:15:35,001 --> 00:15:36,441 Speaker 5: abuse or sexual trauma. 300 00:15:36,521 --> 00:15:38,801 Speaker 4: You're a faggot, You're a pufta, You're a game. 301 00:15:38,881 --> 00:15:41,281 Speaker 3: Made us look weak on the street. You're vulnerable then. 302 00:15:41,281 --> 00:15:44,241 Speaker 5: So, I mean, you know, it's only today that there's 303 00:15:44,281 --> 00:15:46,761 Speaker 5: a lot of strength coming about, you know, finding other 304 00:15:46,801 --> 00:15:49,881 Speaker 5: men that you can meet you in that space and 305 00:15:49,961 --> 00:15:52,601 Speaker 5: you can actually you can divulge you know, the pain. 306 00:15:52,721 --> 00:15:55,201 Speaker 5: You can you can speak of it, and you can 307 00:15:55,241 --> 00:15:57,761 Speaker 5: speak of it in a sense that I'm not We're 308 00:15:57,761 --> 00:16:00,441 Speaker 5: not proud about it. But if I don't talk about 309 00:16:00,441 --> 00:16:03,441 Speaker 5: this to someone that I trust or somebody that I 310 00:16:03,521 --> 00:16:07,081 Speaker 5: know can actually can meet me at that space, it's 311 00:16:07,121 --> 00:16:07,761 Speaker 5: going to kill me. 312 00:16:08,081 --> 00:16:08,681 Speaker 4: Do you know? You know what? 313 00:16:08,761 --> 00:16:12,921 Speaker 3: I love brother the way that Okay, for those out there. 314 00:16:12,841 --> 00:16:15,241 Speaker 2: That may not have seen Jeremy and myself, we're not 315 00:16:15,281 --> 00:16:18,121 Speaker 2: small men, and if you come across us in the street, 316 00:16:18,161 --> 00:16:22,081 Speaker 2: we could look quite intimidating. I guess our presence is strong, 317 00:16:23,481 --> 00:16:28,321 Speaker 2: but being in a room hugging and shedding a tear 318 00:16:28,521 --> 00:16:34,801 Speaker 2: and emotions and heartfelt moments and sense with other men 319 00:16:35,321 --> 00:16:39,281 Speaker 2: that you literally, like I say, could walk out down 320 00:16:39,281 --> 00:16:41,921 Speaker 2: the street. People will cross paths because they don't want 321 00:16:41,921 --> 00:16:45,561 Speaker 2: to fuel this energy. But yet we can all be 322 00:16:45,601 --> 00:16:48,481 Speaker 2: in a room and let ourselves be at peace and 323 00:16:48,641 --> 00:16:50,561 Speaker 2: accept moving forward. 324 00:16:51,121 --> 00:16:52,081 Speaker 3: We are survivors. 325 00:16:53,041 --> 00:16:57,721 Speaker 2: We are good people, We are compassionate, we are successful, 326 00:16:58,321 --> 00:17:01,161 Speaker 2: we are great fathers, great leaders. 327 00:17:02,001 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know people's prejudice know is that 328 00:17:05,641 --> 00:17:09,041 Speaker 5: we've we've been, we've become, you know, victims of people's 329 00:17:09,041 --> 00:17:12,321 Speaker 5: own prejudice. The majority of people in this country they 330 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 5: don't even know someone that's in jail, right, so they 331 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,681 Speaker 5: only know the media is what the media is reporting 332 00:17:16,681 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 5: of reason. So so therefore you know that you know, 333 00:17:19,801 --> 00:17:22,841 Speaker 5: it's it's we're murderers, were rapists where you know, we're 334 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,801 Speaker 5: woman bashes, you know, the junkies and teams exactly, And 335 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 5: so they have no they have no understanding that, you know, 336 00:17:29,041 --> 00:17:31,801 Speaker 5: just you know, people that are on some tough luck 337 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 5: end up in prison. 338 00:17:34,041 --> 00:17:36,041 Speaker 4: They're not. It's not a place full of bad people. 339 00:17:36,041 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 5: In fact, you know, while tragically many of the people 340 00:17:39,441 --> 00:17:42,281 Speaker 5: that I was incarcerated with as a young person, I'm 341 00:17:42,281 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 5: not here to tell their tale. I have a responsibility, 342 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 5: in an obligation today to tell their tale as. 343 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:48,201 Speaker 4: Part of my own. 344 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,521 Speaker 5: But you know, like one of the things is that 345 00:17:51,561 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 5: I always say to people is is is don't if 346 00:17:55,521 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 5: we're if we're a roomful of killers. You know, like it, 347 00:17:58,961 --> 00:18:01,721 Speaker 5: don't walk in there with fear because actually some of 348 00:18:01,761 --> 00:18:04,401 Speaker 5: the worst or the or the most scary fucking men 349 00:18:04,441 --> 00:18:05,881 Speaker 5: that I've ever come across. 350 00:18:05,561 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 3: The most kindness humans and the world. 351 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: But you you relate to this like I remember walking 352 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: into seven Wing at the ric Long Bay eighteen years 353 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 2: of age, and you know, you see all these TV 354 00:18:17,961 --> 00:18:21,241 Speaker 2: shows out now that they're doing with all the Sydney underworld, 355 00:18:21,281 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: and you know, all the heavy hitters and this, and 356 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,801 Speaker 2: most have passed on and old men if they're still here, 357 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,481 Speaker 2: but most are passed on. And you know, like I'm 358 00:18:29,521 --> 00:18:31,961 Speaker 2: talking thirty years ago and they were older than. 359 00:18:31,921 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 3: Us, know, So that was an era where you had. 360 00:18:38,441 --> 00:18:43,761 Speaker 2: To realize that shit, I'm in a really really scary 361 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,481 Speaker 2: bad place here walking this shit. But just shut your mouth, 362 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,561 Speaker 2: don't make high contact with anyone, don't speak unless you're 363 00:18:51,561 --> 00:18:52,041 Speaker 2: spoken to. 364 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,641 Speaker 3: This is simple things. 365 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 2: People pick up and you will someone will connect with 366 00:18:57,441 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: you back then it was a little bit I think, 367 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,841 Speaker 2: more manly, a little bit more honest, not to take 368 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: away from men out there, but the way that the 369 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,521 Speaker 2: system is today and how I find it hard to process. 370 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 3: We won't get into that day. That's not what this 371 00:19:10,521 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: is about. 372 00:19:11,001 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: So my point being, though you still had to, you know, 373 00:19:15,001 --> 00:19:17,321 Speaker 2: wait your turn, I guess, to be accepted into the yard. 374 00:19:18,241 --> 00:19:21,241 Speaker 2: And then you know, like you say, you've got a killer, 375 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: multiple killer. You know it'd stab anyone in the art 376 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: known for it all runner ma'sally sitting down, there's a cup, 377 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: or there's a packet of noodles, or there's something you know, 378 00:19:32,521 --> 00:19:34,441 Speaker 2: you don't know him nothing, And although you may think 379 00:19:34,441 --> 00:19:36,481 Speaker 2: that it's a favor that you need to return, it's 380 00:19:36,481 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: a genuine gift of them, just acknowledging from their kindness, 381 00:19:39,721 --> 00:19:40,201 Speaker 2: of their heart. 382 00:19:40,921 --> 00:19:42,601 Speaker 3: That's small little bit of kindness. 383 00:19:42,801 --> 00:19:46,161 Speaker 4: Everyone's chosen a compassion of that real everyone that's. 384 00:19:45,961 --> 00:19:48,361 Speaker 5: Been in there or is in there remembers what it's 385 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,641 Speaker 5: like to be in there for the first time. 386 00:19:49,761 --> 00:19:52,001 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know there is. 387 00:19:51,961 --> 00:19:53,721 Speaker 2: And on the other hand, too, you see those turned 388 00:19:53,801 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: upside down shoes, ripped off their feet, kicked in the 389 00:19:55,961 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: corner and left in a pool of blood. 390 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:59,561 Speaker 5: But you come in with a big mount that's right, 391 00:19:59,681 --> 00:20:02,121 Speaker 5: you know, like it's it's not about it's not about that. 392 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:05,041 Speaker 4: And you know, one of the things that I certainly. 393 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 5: I know that you know, which is one of the 394 00:20:07,681 --> 00:20:10,481 Speaker 5: tragedies of this country, is as an Aboriginal man walking 395 00:20:10,561 --> 00:20:12,801 Speaker 5: into jail, it's not frightening because there's so many of us. 396 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 5: We're a majority. You know, it's the one place in 397 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 5: this country where we're a majority. 398 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,801 Speaker 2: I actually think personally and from once again, I'm speaking 399 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: from my experience, and I believe I have the right. 400 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,321 Speaker 2: I think some of the things that I've seen, it's 401 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:30,961 Speaker 2: heartbreaking because you know, unfortunately, you see a lot of 402 00:20:31,001 --> 00:20:35,041 Speaker 2: the brothers that have done a bit of time that 403 00:20:35,281 --> 00:20:38,521 Speaker 2: not just not necessarily are genuinely wanting the best interests 404 00:20:38,561 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 2: of the young brothers coming through. They'll grab them, they'll 405 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,201 Speaker 2: bring them into a circle, they'll give them a full 406 00:20:43,281 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: sense of security. The next minute in the show, they're 407 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,521 Speaker 2: all putting shots in their arms, ten out and let's 408 00:20:48,521 --> 00:20:51,121 Speaker 2: not bullshit, you know, And this is sad because they 409 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 2: are a majority. 410 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:54,441 Speaker 3: The brothers are and strong immunity. 411 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 4: What's the same thing on our remote communities. 412 00:20:56,921 --> 00:20:58,481 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I'm saying this with love 413 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,801 Speaker 2: in way I'm speaking to a First Indigenous First Nations man. 414 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 4: The thing is that if you're going to you know, 415 00:21:03,521 --> 00:21:04,921 Speaker 4: you're going to bathist. 416 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 5: Still today, I was released from a six years got 417 00:21:08,201 --> 00:21:09,521 Speaker 5: fucking condom vending machines. 418 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,321 Speaker 4: They don't have to. They don't have clean syringes. You know, 419 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 4: there's people that are sucking. 420 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,241 Speaker 5: They're booting with all sorts of ship, you know, and 421 00:21:17,241 --> 00:21:19,681 Speaker 5: and that you people like I know. 422 00:21:19,801 --> 00:21:24,281 Speaker 2: The bush was what they're making as a syringe, plunges 423 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:26,401 Speaker 2: and thongs, and like. 424 00:21:26,801 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 5: It's just you know, like the fact is is that 425 00:21:29,001 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 5: the people going into jail sober and coming out absolute addicts. 426 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 3: And unfortunately it is a lot of young brothers. 427 00:21:39,321 --> 00:21:41,001 Speaker 5: And I speak of you know, I speak of this 428 00:21:41,041 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 5: as an ex addict, right, like you know, cocaine addict 429 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,561 Speaker 5: that you know that that sent me broke that you know, 430 00:21:46,681 --> 00:21:49,441 Speaker 5: don't you know, destroyed lives around me. You know, I've 431 00:21:49,441 --> 00:21:52,081 Speaker 5: destroyed lives from the addiction. You know, when you when 432 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,481 Speaker 5: you're trying to manage, you know, putting twelve hundred bucks 433 00:21:54,521 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 5: worth of cocaine, we were getting it at a good price. 434 00:21:56,761 --> 00:21:58,281 Speaker 5: You know, like that's a lot of cake and it 435 00:21:58,321 --> 00:22:00,201 Speaker 5: was real co Yeah, I mean you put it, You're 436 00:22:00,201 --> 00:22:02,321 Speaker 5: pushing a lot of that up, you know. Then it 437 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,281 Speaker 5: goes into your veins, it goes wherever you can put it, 438 00:22:04,321 --> 00:22:07,441 Speaker 5: you know. Is so I'm not talking to this as 439 00:22:07,441 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 5: someone that hasn't experienced addiction. I know what it's like 440 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:14,521 Speaker 5: to try and mask my trauma with addiction. But you know, 441 00:22:14,561 --> 00:22:17,041 Speaker 5: one of the things that is heartbreaking around our communities 442 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 5: is the alcohol. The scourge of alcohol, you know, like 443 00:22:19,801 --> 00:22:22,761 Speaker 5: and in dry communities or areas where there's you know, 444 00:22:22,801 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 5: where there are restrictions around alcohol, you know, the black market. 445 00:22:27,201 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: I can't believe the price that they seriously having driven 446 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: trucks around Australia. 447 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,521 Speaker 3: I've watched in communities I've come through. 448 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 2: They've blocked the roads off and they've caught cars, They've 449 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,001 Speaker 2: lined up cases and cases, and then the bum wagon 450 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: will literally line its wheels paddy wagon and drive over 451 00:22:45,681 --> 00:22:49,561 Speaker 2: the top of every case, burst every care. Because of 452 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 2: that reason, the price is that that someone would and 453 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,361 Speaker 2: I blame a lot of the mining companies personally from 454 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: what I've seen. You go out of these communities and 455 00:22:57,801 --> 00:23:02,441 Speaker 2: on land and they put cages around the community like fences. 456 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 2: I call it a cage because that's exactly what it 457 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: looks like. Yet you've got the dollars over here with 458 00:23:06,921 --> 00:23:09,561 Speaker 2: a nice little pool, and you've got that, you know, 459 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,281 Speaker 2: good little eating areas and it all looks well maintained. 460 00:23:12,281 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 2: And then you've got community just a stone throw away 461 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 2: and they put a fence line. 462 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 3: What the fuck is that shit? 463 00:23:18,441 --> 00:23:20,241 Speaker 4: No different to the boundary roads that he got. 464 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: The hang on, Hang on? 465 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,561 Speaker 2: What about the mining companies that will just they will 466 00:23:23,561 --> 00:23:25,481 Speaker 2: give them a van so it runs out of fuel 467 00:23:25,481 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 2: and it's left on the side of the rail and 468 00:23:26,921 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 2: the brothers or sisters will just do what they do 469 00:23:28,761 --> 00:23:31,561 Speaker 2: and well they're ive got no fuel, or they'll pay 470 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: pay a certain amount to community gatekeepers, which then doesn't 471 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 2: really get used in the right ways. 472 00:23:41,561 --> 00:23:41,921 Speaker 4: It is. 473 00:23:42,041 --> 00:23:44,801 Speaker 5: You know, when you can get when you can sell 474 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 5: a bottle of rum for three hundred bucks on the 475 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 5: black market, bro, it's lucrative when people are on welfare dependency. 476 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,281 Speaker 5: Of course, you know, the temptation to do anything illegal. 477 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 5: You know, it's how we all got into doing this 478 00:23:55,321 --> 00:23:58,961 Speaker 5: and that like it's because it's how you brought extra 479 00:23:59,041 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 5: cash in if you could flip a couple of things. 480 00:24:01,241 --> 00:24:02,801 Speaker 4: You know, I gave up drinking here a long time ago. 481 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 4: I get it. 482 00:24:03,321 --> 00:24:06,321 Speaker 5: You know, like society Australia is a society that is 483 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:10,841 Speaker 5: built on alcoholism. But the reality is we've never addressed 484 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 5: the fact that the violence that stems from alcohol and 485 00:24:14,801 --> 00:24:17,201 Speaker 5: we need to we need to seriously address it because. 486 00:24:17,041 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 2: Where you see everyone's stone and punching on but I 487 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: guarantee you a couple of bols a run in the 488 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 2: mix with anyone. 489 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 3: I'm not a community, I'm talking about anyone. 490 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:29,041 Speaker 5: I'm saying like methamphetamines and all the ice and alcohol 491 00:24:29,281 --> 00:24:32,761 Speaker 5: are the two biggest you know, contributors to absolute violence, 492 00:24:32,801 --> 00:24:33,041 Speaker 5: you know. 493 00:24:33,001 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 4: Abhorrent violence, no way denying it. 494 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,121 Speaker 5: So I mean, this is the part, you know, for me, 495 00:24:37,281 --> 00:24:41,881 Speaker 5: is that everything that I do today is based around Yeah. Sure, 496 00:24:41,921 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 5: culture has been the culture has driven my life, you know, 497 00:24:45,481 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 5: so you know from you know, from the from eighteen 498 00:24:48,041 --> 00:24:49,761 Speaker 5: nineteen years old when I walked out of the ma 499 00:24:49,961 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 5: c at Silk Order and I traveled up to kp 500 00:24:52,961 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 5: Ork to be with my nan and pop. 501 00:24:54,281 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 2: Just sorry, just just so you know, out there, for 502 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,401 Speaker 2: those that aren't familiar with the Sydney jail system. It's 503 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,561 Speaker 2: where everybody generally goes before you get class ot as 504 00:25:02,561 --> 00:25:06,121 Speaker 2: they call it, or reminded to other giles or put out. 505 00:25:06,201 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 5: So yeah, and from that point I then went up 506 00:25:08,681 --> 00:25:11,041 Speaker 5: to the North Queensland. I traveled flew, you know, went 507 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,721 Speaker 5: to Townsville, traveled out to Palm Island, where I've got 508 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,481 Speaker 5: you know, family connection. From Palm, I traveled up to 509 00:25:16,561 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 5: Cans From Cairns, I then went up through through the 510 00:25:19,481 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 5: Cape Tribulation, you know, which is all eastern Yealonga country, 511 00:25:23,441 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 5: Google Yellonga country, so my father's country. And then you know, 512 00:25:26,961 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 5: all of a sudden, culture changed my life. You know, 513 00:25:29,521 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 5: the impact of culture affected my life so massively. At 514 00:25:33,041 --> 00:25:36,881 Speaker 5: twenty years old, almost twenty at twenty almost twenty, I 515 00:25:36,921 --> 00:25:39,521 Speaker 5: was turning twenty one. I was almost twenty one. I 516 00:25:39,561 --> 00:25:42,481 Speaker 5: moved back down to Sydney with Bengala with the Aboriginal 517 00:25:42,521 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 5: Dance Company. From there, you know, the digit I was 518 00:25:45,281 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 5: one of the two Didit Do players who opened the 519 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,521 Speaker 5: Sydney Olympics back in two thousand. Yeah, that's still and 520 00:25:49,921 --> 00:25:54,201 Speaker 5: the night that County Freeman won that race, which is probably, 521 00:25:54,201 --> 00:25:57,041 Speaker 5: in my opinion, the greatest moment of reconciliation I've ever 522 00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,561 Speaker 5: felt as an Aboriginal man in this country. Because there 523 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 5: was a lot of noise leading up to the race, 524 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,561 Speaker 5: but I was invited to play did wedoo for the 525 00:26:06,561 --> 00:26:09,641 Speaker 5: Australian Ambassador to Switzerland that night up in a corporate 526 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,761 Speaker 5: suite which is right up at the top part of 527 00:26:11,801 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 5: the stadium. And just before the race, I walked over 528 00:26:17,681 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 5: to the window and over to my you know, to 529 00:26:21,001 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 5: my left, three hundred and fifty meters it would have 530 00:26:24,281 --> 00:26:28,801 Speaker 5: been I could see the lights of the ms. In 531 00:26:29,241 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 5: two small years, three small years, my life has changed 532 00:26:35,561 --> 00:26:40,321 Speaker 5: so much that three hundred and fifty meters separated those walls, 533 00:26:41,001 --> 00:26:44,321 Speaker 5: and one was opening the Sydney Olympics, one was playing 534 00:26:44,321 --> 00:26:46,321 Speaker 5: did wed for the Australian ambassador and not the Cathy 535 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 5: Freeman would win that race. It would then be the 536 00:26:49,201 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 5: catalyst for the greatest change of my life because I 537 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 5: was It was the first time I was honest with 538 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 5: a stranger that night about my criminal history and the life. 539 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: So did you share that moment with somebody else, didn't 540 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 2: sort of take it all in, You actually acknowledge that 541 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,801 Speaker 2: I'm here, and yes, I was. 542 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's what happened was I was standing at 543 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,801 Speaker 5: the window and the Australian ambassador to Switzerland came out 544 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 5: and said, oh, we're ready for you to play. And 545 00:27:12,241 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 5: I was looking there and over you emotional. Yeah, I 546 00:27:14,441 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 5: had two years rolling down my face. And he said 547 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,561 Speaker 5: he's everything okay, And it was I still get goosebumps. 548 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:20,801 Speaker 4: Now. 549 00:27:21,321 --> 00:27:23,521 Speaker 5: It was the first time I was honest with a stranger, 550 00:27:23,561 --> 00:27:26,921 Speaker 5: because we're told you don't tell people where you've come 551 00:27:26,921 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 5: from because people judge you. You know that that's that prejudice again, 552 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:33,481 Speaker 5: you know. And there and I was the first time 553 00:27:33,481 --> 00:27:35,161 Speaker 5: I was honest with a stranger. And I said, see 554 00:27:35,201 --> 00:27:38,481 Speaker 5: that that wall there, like two years ago I was there, 555 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 5: That's where I walked. 556 00:27:40,041 --> 00:27:40,961 Speaker 4: And he'd what do you mean. 557 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,761 Speaker 2: I was like, because he wouldn't have known that that 558 00:27:42,921 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: Silver Water Jo Metropolitan No Industrial Center. 559 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,521 Speaker 5: See those lights, they're the lights that I was looking 560 00:27:49,561 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 5: at two years ago. And I was like, my life 561 00:27:52,681 --> 00:27:55,521 Speaker 5: And and at the end of me playing, we stood 562 00:27:55,521 --> 00:28:00,961 Speaker 5: side by side, me and this gentleman and we watched 563 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,961 Speaker 5: Kathy Freeman one, you know, Ignite Ignite Australia. He then 564 00:28:07,041 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 5: said to me, would you ever come across to Europe 565 00:28:10,441 --> 00:28:14,001 Speaker 5: and I said to him, then I'm not allowed. I've 566 00:28:14,041 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 5: got I need seven years of no conviction before I 567 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 5: can obtain even apply for a passport. And he was like, 568 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 5: this is wrong. You've got so much to offer, like 569 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 5: he was a genuine humanitarian, you know, and he was like, 570 00:28:27,281 --> 00:28:29,681 Speaker 5: this is nobody. People don't know your story. They need 571 00:28:29,721 --> 00:28:34,321 Speaker 5: to notice. That was in September of two thousand. The 572 00:28:34,681 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 5: Sydney Olympics were end of August beginning of September, so 573 00:28:37,521 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 5: twenty four years ago to this day. And it was 574 00:28:41,801 --> 00:28:46,201 Speaker 5: in November I received an invitation to go to Geneva 575 00:28:46,721 --> 00:28:47,441 Speaker 5: to tell my. 576 00:28:47,441 --> 00:28:48,761 Speaker 3: Story Geneva in Switzerland. 577 00:28:48,801 --> 00:28:51,761 Speaker 5: Yeah, Geneva in Switzerland, to tell my story at the 578 00:28:51,881 --> 00:28:56,241 Speaker 5: United Nations. And I stood in the main plenary hall 579 00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:59,961 Speaker 5: on February two thousand and one and told the plenary 580 00:29:00,241 --> 00:29:03,841 Speaker 5: of my story around you know what it was like, 581 00:29:04,161 --> 00:29:07,801 Speaker 5: the foster care, the abuse, the physical abuse, of sexual abuse. 582 00:29:07,921 --> 00:29:08,481 Speaker 3: Yeah. 583 00:29:08,641 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 4: I spoke of you know, you know, playing did you 584 00:29:11,241 --> 00:29:12,281 Speaker 4: do it? The Sydney Olympics. 585 00:29:12,281 --> 00:29:13,801 Speaker 5: So I spoke of my vision to be able to 586 00:29:14,521 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 5: tell my grandfather's story and my grandmother's story to the world. 587 00:29:19,761 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 5: And from that point, you know, I you know, for 588 00:29:21,801 --> 00:29:23,201 Speaker 5: the next ten years of my life. 589 00:29:23,401 --> 00:29:25,921 Speaker 3: Oh, I just want to take them. 590 00:29:26,641 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: I'm actually just like got this rush over my body 591 00:29:29,481 --> 00:29:31,241 Speaker 2: right as you were just saying that when you're talking 592 00:29:31,241 --> 00:29:34,401 Speaker 2: about your grandparents and saw it interrupt And for anybody listening, 593 00:29:34,801 --> 00:29:37,521 Speaker 2: don't hate on me for it, but you don't understand 594 00:29:37,561 --> 00:29:39,601 Speaker 2: sitting here in the presence of Jeremy right now and 595 00:29:39,721 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: him just allowing me to and you to feel this 596 00:29:44,561 --> 00:29:48,521 Speaker 2: a moment. It may have been the two thousand Olympics, 597 00:29:48,521 --> 00:29:51,721 Speaker 2: but it's right now. Yeah, and brother, I just want 598 00:29:51,721 --> 00:29:56,001 Speaker 2: to say, man, what a what a fucking powerful journey 599 00:29:56,041 --> 00:29:58,681 Speaker 2: and vision. And you know, the whole point of this 600 00:29:58,761 --> 00:30:01,961 Speaker 2: season is to give people the tools to chase their. 601 00:30:01,921 --> 00:30:02,961 Speaker 3: Dreams and visions. 602 00:30:03,001 --> 00:30:05,001 Speaker 2: And you know, before we end today, you're going to 603 00:30:05,121 --> 00:30:07,841 Speaker 2: to leave some tools behind for those that are listening. 604 00:30:07,881 --> 00:30:12,041 Speaker 3: And you know, man, I'm in awe of you. I 605 00:30:12,081 --> 00:30:12,481 Speaker 3: really am. 606 00:30:12,561 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: I mean I want to sit here and buttery your 607 00:30:14,241 --> 00:30:16,681 Speaker 2: bread tell you what an awesome member, right, I'm in 608 00:30:16,721 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: awe of you. 609 00:30:17,601 --> 00:30:19,761 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's wow. 610 00:30:20,081 --> 00:30:20,801 Speaker 3: I'll shut up now. 611 00:30:21,841 --> 00:30:23,441 Speaker 5: I mean, you know that's the thing is that when 612 00:30:23,441 --> 00:30:26,001 Speaker 5: you talk about that, you know that we talk about 613 00:30:26,521 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 5: dreams aspirations. I remember like my grandfather said, he's sitting 614 00:30:32,201 --> 00:30:32,641 Speaker 5: on it. 615 00:30:32,801 --> 00:30:33,001 Speaker 4: You know. 616 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:36,521 Speaker 5: I was at Penang and my grandfather, they link up 617 00:30:36,681 --> 00:30:40,241 Speaker 5: at the service, had helped, you know, find my grandparents, 618 00:30:40,321 --> 00:30:44,081 Speaker 5: brought them down to Sydney. My grandfather being a traditional man, 619 00:30:44,281 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 5: you know, speaking googa yell and you googimt the google 620 00:30:47,481 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 5: and yogul. His first language is before English, you know. 621 00:30:50,281 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 5: My grandfather sat across the table and he said to 622 00:30:52,481 --> 00:30:55,161 Speaker 5: me and he pushed my card, you know that card, 623 00:30:56,001 --> 00:31:00,841 Speaker 5: and he said, this is all you'll be if you 624 00:31:00,881 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 5: don't have a dream, and that number one six four 625 00:31:03,801 --> 00:31:04,281 Speaker 5: three to his. 626 00:31:04,241 --> 00:31:06,801 Speaker 3: Era, you know, two two four seven sixty seven. 627 00:31:06,641 --> 00:31:09,361 Speaker 5: You know, like it's it's that's all you ever be 628 00:31:10,561 --> 00:31:11,521 Speaker 5: if you don't have a dream. 629 00:31:11,561 --> 00:31:14,481 Speaker 4: And I remember thinking at that point, what the fuck 630 00:31:14,481 --> 00:31:17,641 Speaker 4: do you mean like a dream, like like you know, 631 00:31:17,961 --> 00:31:18,681 Speaker 4: dreams or something. 632 00:31:18,721 --> 00:31:20,481 Speaker 5: You know, back then, dreams was something you didn't want 633 00:31:20,481 --> 00:31:24,201 Speaker 5: to have because there was no such an yeare dreams 634 00:31:24,201 --> 00:31:28,161 Speaker 5: were a nightmare. So I remember being up at Laura 635 00:31:28,201 --> 00:31:30,321 Speaker 5: actually with my grandfather sitting up at the cattle station 636 00:31:30,401 --> 00:31:31,441 Speaker 5: up there at Crocodile Station. 637 00:31:31,801 --> 00:31:33,281 Speaker 4: We'd been at Split Rock, and I said. 638 00:31:33,081 --> 00:31:37,041 Speaker 5: To him, old man yig like, old man, my dream 639 00:31:37,481 --> 00:31:39,401 Speaker 5: know what it is to play did you do? 640 00:31:39,481 --> 00:31:40,121 Speaker 4: Yiggy yiggy? 641 00:31:40,721 --> 00:31:42,681 Speaker 5: And he looked at me and he had smiled, you know, 642 00:31:42,761 --> 00:31:44,401 Speaker 5: and I had the did you do in my hand. 643 00:31:44,441 --> 00:31:47,521 Speaker 5: I'd fallen in love with this instrument, and I said, oh, man, no, 644 00:31:47,641 --> 00:31:50,641 Speaker 5: what ye would? It is like, I'm going to play 645 00:31:50,641 --> 00:31:52,961 Speaker 5: this everywhere I'm going now, I'm going to play this everywhere. 646 00:31:54,121 --> 00:31:56,321 Speaker 4: And I took that did you do? You know? And 647 00:31:56,401 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 4: I you know, it was my dream, you know, I 648 00:31:59,281 --> 00:31:59,921 Speaker 4: played did We Do? 649 00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 5: In every part of Australia and that was the biggest 650 00:32:02,561 --> 00:32:04,921 Speaker 5: dream that I could have ever had. And then I said, 651 00:32:05,201 --> 00:32:06,601 Speaker 5: I'm going to I'm going to play Didrid Do? In 652 00:32:06,641 --> 00:32:08,041 Speaker 5: every country around the world. 653 00:32:08,201 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: You know, when you're doing it, you've been on the 654 00:32:10,481 --> 00:32:13,881 Speaker 2: world stage, playing the digs, delivering this. 655 00:32:14,121 --> 00:32:14,321 Speaker 4: You know. 656 00:32:14,401 --> 00:32:19,321 Speaker 5: In two thousand and two thousand and one, I received 657 00:32:19,321 --> 00:32:21,801 Speaker 5: a diplomatic passport. I then, you know, spent the next 658 00:32:21,801 --> 00:32:24,281 Speaker 5: ten years of my life traveling the world. You know, 659 00:32:24,281 --> 00:32:26,281 Speaker 5: I've played did you Do It almost every single austrain 660 00:32:26,321 --> 00:32:28,921 Speaker 5: embassy around the world. I've played Didrid Do? In Buckingham 661 00:32:28,921 --> 00:32:31,681 Speaker 5: Palace twice? I you know, played did You Do? In 662 00:32:31,761 --> 00:32:35,321 Speaker 5: the White House. You know, I was the ambassador to 663 00:32:35,801 --> 00:32:37,721 Speaker 5: the Dala Lama when he was in the country. 664 00:32:38,361 --> 00:32:41,321 Speaker 4: I was, you know, like, it's what the fuck? 665 00:32:41,641 --> 00:32:44,401 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we've had a few yards, but you 666 00:32:44,521 --> 00:32:46,841 Speaker 2: just opened up Pandora's box here, brother. Yeah. 667 00:32:47,081 --> 00:32:48,641 Speaker 4: So, I mean, you know, like it's been a wow. 668 00:32:48,721 --> 00:32:49,881 Speaker 3: I knew I was in good company. 669 00:32:51,721 --> 00:32:51,961 Speaker 4: Kissed. 670 00:32:52,321 --> 00:32:55,641 Speaker 5: I spoke at the Happiness I spoke at the Happiness 671 00:32:55,641 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 5: and Its Causes conference in Sydney, and the Dalla A 672 00:32:58,481 --> 00:33:00,281 Speaker 5: Lama came over and he kissed my feet. 673 00:33:00,521 --> 00:33:02,801 Speaker 4: You know he I was barefoot, he kissed my feet. 674 00:33:03,561 --> 00:33:05,521 Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm going to use this term and please 675 00:33:05,561 --> 00:33:09,081 Speaker 2: don't anybody disrespect the film. But you've been kissed on 676 00:33:09,121 --> 00:33:12,921 Speaker 2: the dick by angels as they Yeah, except I mean 677 00:33:13,281 --> 00:33:15,681 Speaker 2: with respect, the Dalai Lama has blessed you and kissed 678 00:33:15,681 --> 00:33:16,081 Speaker 2: your feet. 679 00:33:16,121 --> 00:33:17,361 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well I flew. 680 00:33:17,561 --> 00:33:19,281 Speaker 5: I flew in the in the front of the plane 681 00:33:19,521 --> 00:33:21,761 Speaker 5: with the Corners plane, sitting next to the Dalai Lama. 682 00:33:22,081 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 5: We did the Corners plane flight for me, stop it. 683 00:33:24,521 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 5: We did the lap around Ularu and then straight up 684 00:33:26,961 --> 00:33:30,321 Speaker 5: to Darwin. So I opened all of his conferences, you know, 685 00:33:30,401 --> 00:33:31,881 Speaker 5: for him, and you know I sat there. 686 00:33:31,721 --> 00:33:33,841 Speaker 4: Playing did we do? With him? Holding the did you do? 687 00:33:33,921 --> 00:33:34,801 Speaker 4: In his lap? 688 00:33:34,841 --> 00:33:37,561 Speaker 5: You know that I gave the Dalai Lama one of 689 00:33:37,601 --> 00:33:39,921 Speaker 5: my paintings and he has it over in Durham Massala 690 00:33:40,001 --> 00:33:41,201 Speaker 5: and in the temples over there. 691 00:33:41,281 --> 00:33:45,281 Speaker 2: So it's like if you that that that's so personal 692 00:33:45,401 --> 00:33:47,001 Speaker 2: that if you ever got the chance to go over 693 00:33:47,001 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: there and were able to make a connection with his people, 694 00:33:50,081 --> 00:33:53,481 Speaker 2: he would never forget who you were, and you would 695 00:33:53,481 --> 00:33:56,401 Speaker 2: think that if he was able to provide, which he would, 696 00:33:57,081 --> 00:33:59,161 Speaker 2: a space for you, you would be able to go 697 00:33:59,201 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 2: and sit with him and have a catch up. 698 00:34:01,761 --> 00:34:04,281 Speaker 4: Yeah, well you know who can do that? Who can 699 00:34:04,361 --> 00:34:04,761 Speaker 4: do that? 700 00:34:05,081 --> 00:34:05,281 Speaker 3: Yeah? 701 00:34:05,321 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 4: I means Jeremy Donovan Ken. It's kind of surreal when 702 00:34:08,041 --> 00:34:10,001 Speaker 4: you say it like that, you know, because I think. 703 00:34:09,921 --> 00:34:13,081 Speaker 2: That lad from Redford there, the mad carfee drug moving 704 00:34:13,241 --> 00:34:16,761 Speaker 2: like you know, hard ass bytherfucker from every job. 705 00:34:18,241 --> 00:34:18,521 Speaker 4: Brother. 706 00:34:18,801 --> 00:34:22,041 Speaker 5: I think this is where humility comes right, you know, 707 00:34:22,121 --> 00:34:26,681 Speaker 5: like to me, I've lived an extraordinary life and. 708 00:34:27,441 --> 00:34:29,281 Speaker 3: Wow, but it's just been my life. 709 00:34:29,801 --> 00:34:31,881 Speaker 2: Wow, you know, like that's I knew there was something 710 00:34:31,921 --> 00:34:33,521 Speaker 2: special there, but fuck. 711 00:34:33,561 --> 00:34:37,121 Speaker 5: And I think you know, like fuck to me, I 712 00:34:38,521 --> 00:34:40,841 Speaker 5: have you know, ridden the roller coaster of life. And 713 00:34:41,161 --> 00:34:43,401 Speaker 5: it has, and it's twists and turns, and you know, 714 00:34:43,441 --> 00:34:45,561 Speaker 5: it's been full of you know, full of emotions. 715 00:34:45,561 --> 00:34:47,121 Speaker 4: It's been amazing things. You know. 716 00:34:47,121 --> 00:34:51,601 Speaker 5: I look at my life today, right today I have today, 717 00:34:51,841 --> 00:34:56,041 Speaker 5: I would say I'm the happiest and I'm the healthiest 718 00:34:56,441 --> 00:34:59,841 Speaker 5: that I've ever been in my life. And and this 719 00:35:00,001 --> 00:35:02,001 Speaker 5: is you know, when I talk about that, the happiest 720 00:35:02,001 --> 00:35:04,121 Speaker 5: means I love myself more than I've ever. 721 00:35:04,001 --> 00:35:05,161 Speaker 4: Loved in my life. 722 00:35:05,281 --> 00:35:08,281 Speaker 5: I love myself and that means that all of the imperfections, 723 00:35:08,361 --> 00:35:11,561 Speaker 5: you know, I'm aware that I'm I'm the best version 724 00:35:11,681 --> 00:35:13,601 Speaker 5: of a broken version of who I am, you know, 725 00:35:13,681 --> 00:35:20,121 Speaker 5: and so I'm constantly in search of finding the glue 726 00:35:20,201 --> 00:35:23,321 Speaker 5: that you know, that fills the cracks, because there are 727 00:35:23,361 --> 00:35:25,081 Speaker 5: cracks in every version of me, you know. 728 00:35:25,201 --> 00:35:26,041 Speaker 4: So that's it. 729 00:35:26,081 --> 00:35:28,281 Speaker 5: When I look at my life today, the happiest I've 730 00:35:28,281 --> 00:35:32,561 Speaker 5: ever been, where I can honestly say I love. I 731 00:35:32,601 --> 00:35:35,801 Speaker 5: love myself, you know, and I love the person that 732 00:35:35,881 --> 00:35:40,841 Speaker 5: I'm constantly growing into. I have the best relationship in 733 00:35:40,961 --> 00:35:43,801 Speaker 5: terms of my wife or my partner, you know, but 734 00:35:43,881 --> 00:35:45,801 Speaker 5: I have the best relationship I've ever had. 735 00:35:46,041 --> 00:35:49,361 Speaker 4: It's not perfect, you know, There there there are learnings. 736 00:35:49,521 --> 00:35:51,361 Speaker 5: You know that we comfort but we love each other, 737 00:35:51,481 --> 00:35:55,161 Speaker 5: you know, and that's that's that's an amazing thing, you know, 738 00:35:55,201 --> 00:36:00,401 Speaker 5: because having to learn. But you know, I've never been 739 00:36:00,481 --> 00:36:01,401 Speaker 5: out of love myself. 740 00:36:01,801 --> 00:36:04,201 Speaker 3: So therefore this word let's just take a second. Butt. 741 00:36:04,361 --> 00:36:08,081 Speaker 2: You'll use the word love in so many different contexts 742 00:36:08,081 --> 00:36:09,161 Speaker 2: in such a short space. 743 00:36:09,241 --> 00:36:12,201 Speaker 3: Right in this last minute or two, you've. 744 00:36:12,121 --> 00:36:16,321 Speaker 2: Used love about loving yourself ye self worth for love yep, 745 00:36:16,881 --> 00:36:20,841 Speaker 2: loving your imperfections, being a loving partner yep. 746 00:36:21,361 --> 00:36:23,481 Speaker 3: How powerful and. 747 00:36:23,561 --> 00:36:27,881 Speaker 2: Productive is acceptance of love and implicating the fact that 748 00:36:28,641 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: love is a beautiful thing. 749 00:36:31,001 --> 00:36:35,521 Speaker 3: It's like belief, whether you want to call it religion 750 00:36:36,321 --> 00:36:36,721 Speaker 3: or so. 751 00:36:36,841 --> 00:36:38,521 Speaker 4: Love is like faith faith. 752 00:36:38,801 --> 00:36:41,601 Speaker 5: You know, because I believe that there's a significant difference 753 00:36:41,601 --> 00:36:43,921 Speaker 5: between religion and faith, you know, and I believe that 754 00:36:44,001 --> 00:36:47,281 Speaker 5: you know that there are some there are some indoctrinated religions, 755 00:36:47,321 --> 00:36:49,521 Speaker 5: and then there are other you know, like Hinduism and 756 00:36:49,601 --> 00:36:52,001 Speaker 5: Buddhism is more like a faith, you know, it's it 757 00:36:52,161 --> 00:36:54,961 Speaker 5: perceived as a religion. And this is again my opinion, 758 00:36:55,561 --> 00:36:57,601 Speaker 5: but it's a faith because it's a it's a belief 759 00:36:57,761 --> 00:37:01,281 Speaker 5: in something that is far great around of and I 760 00:37:01,321 --> 00:37:06,761 Speaker 5: think that's My understanding of love is that the the 761 00:37:06,921 --> 00:37:09,161 Speaker 5: way that I fell in love with myself was to 762 00:37:09,201 --> 00:37:12,841 Speaker 5: come to know myself, and to come to know myself 763 00:37:13,681 --> 00:37:17,001 Speaker 5: showed me love, you know. So, but it was only 764 00:37:17,041 --> 00:37:20,241 Speaker 5: in the coming to know myself did I understand truly 765 00:37:20,281 --> 00:37:22,161 Speaker 5: love like you know, like we say we love someone, 766 00:37:22,441 --> 00:37:24,441 Speaker 5: you know, we love our kids like that's that's an 767 00:37:24,601 --> 00:37:28,841 Speaker 5: infinite it's part of it, even when we're separated, you know, 768 00:37:28,881 --> 00:37:31,081 Speaker 5: from our children or you know, not on you know 769 00:37:31,201 --> 00:37:33,921 Speaker 5: terms that you know, whatever it is, it's it's it's 770 00:37:33,961 --> 00:37:36,841 Speaker 5: an It's the one thing that is constant. It's the 771 00:37:36,881 --> 00:37:39,641 Speaker 5: one thing guaranteed in life is that I will always 772 00:37:39,641 --> 00:37:42,241 Speaker 5: be my children's father, and they will always be my 773 00:37:42,321 --> 00:37:46,081 Speaker 5: children's And that's you know, unlike a marriage or whatnot. 774 00:37:45,801 --> 00:37:48,841 Speaker 2: Which we both we both have in our life, we 775 00:37:48,921 --> 00:37:51,041 Speaker 2: both accept and we both understand. 776 00:37:51,201 --> 00:37:54,281 Speaker 5: This the healing process that I went through, maybe you know, 777 00:37:54,321 --> 00:37:56,681 Speaker 5: sort of five years ago, you know, coming off the 778 00:37:56,721 --> 00:37:59,961 Speaker 5: back of cocaine and addiction and like addressing my trauma, 779 00:38:00,321 --> 00:38:02,481 Speaker 5: really looking at it, you know, fucking spending every weekend 780 00:38:02,481 --> 00:38:04,801 Speaker 5: inside a Meriton building, you know, just on a bender 781 00:38:04,881 --> 00:38:07,801 Speaker 5: with boys, you know, then into stilettos, and the fucking 782 00:38:07,841 --> 00:38:11,161 Speaker 5: adultery and the and you know, like like the bauchery 783 00:38:11,201 --> 00:38:15,841 Speaker 5: that comes with you just like sound like you should Yeah, 784 00:38:16,321 --> 00:38:19,521 Speaker 5: I thank god they shut it out. And then you know, 785 00:38:19,681 --> 00:38:22,161 Speaker 5: walking in their rooms, walking in there on a Friday night, 786 00:38:22,201 --> 00:38:26,481 Speaker 5: walking out on a Monday morning, almost getting hit by 787 00:38:26,521 --> 00:38:28,401 Speaker 5: a car. I'm sitting now on what's that on para? 788 00:38:29,761 --> 00:38:33,281 Speaker 5: And the reality is is like you know today, you 789 00:38:33,361 --> 00:38:34,561 Speaker 5: know I could turn. 790 00:38:36,601 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 4: Ye no more. 791 00:38:37,521 --> 00:38:40,921 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, It's it's one of those things that you know, 792 00:38:41,001 --> 00:38:44,361 Speaker 5: like I'm you know, so happy and healthy and it 793 00:38:44,401 --> 00:38:46,401 Speaker 5: comes you know, this relationship. You know what I took 794 00:38:46,481 --> 00:38:49,361 Speaker 5: off during COVID. I took off to Kunnanara, which is 795 00:38:49,361 --> 00:38:51,281 Speaker 5: in the middle of nowhere. Most people in Australia don't 796 00:38:51,281 --> 00:38:53,361 Speaker 5: know where Cunninara is. It's that, you know, it's the 797 00:38:53,401 --> 00:38:56,441 Speaker 5: gateway to the to the Kimberley. I, you know, met 798 00:38:56,961 --> 00:39:00,441 Speaker 5: a beautiful woman. I fell in love. I then you know, 799 00:39:00,561 --> 00:39:03,641 Speaker 5: COVID finished and the borders came down. I I, you know, 800 00:39:03,681 --> 00:39:05,921 Speaker 5: we're in love. I said to go back to the coast. 801 00:39:05,961 --> 00:39:06,801 Speaker 5: So I have a dream. 802 00:39:06,841 --> 00:39:08,521 Speaker 4: I have a vision. I have a you know, you 803 00:39:08,561 --> 00:39:09,761 Speaker 4: have a dream. You have a vision. 804 00:39:10,521 --> 00:39:12,921 Speaker 5: And so with her children with Mike now living on 805 00:39:12,961 --> 00:39:15,881 Speaker 5: the Gold Coast, you know where where you know, my 806 00:39:15,881 --> 00:39:18,161 Speaker 5: my wife or partner, whatever you want to call it. 807 00:39:18,201 --> 00:39:20,681 Speaker 4: You know that's calling your wife. I refer to as 808 00:39:20,721 --> 00:39:21,081 Speaker 4: my wife. 809 00:39:21,161 --> 00:39:21,521 Speaker 3: Why not? 810 00:39:21,761 --> 00:39:24,721 Speaker 5: And the reality is, you know, my wife is you know, 811 00:39:24,761 --> 00:39:27,441 Speaker 5: doing her apprenticeship to become a chef, you know, like 812 00:39:27,561 --> 00:39:30,321 Speaker 5: at the Langham Hotel, at the Jeweler. You know, it's 813 00:39:30,481 --> 00:39:32,241 Speaker 5: you know, when you when you think of the parallels 814 00:39:32,241 --> 00:39:33,841 Speaker 5: and you know Counnanarah. 815 00:39:33,441 --> 00:39:35,161 Speaker 3: I love it's a magical place. 816 00:39:35,201 --> 00:39:39,121 Speaker 5: And you know the disparity of distance or the or 817 00:39:39,161 --> 00:39:42,521 Speaker 5: the distance between Kannanar and the jewel yep, you know. 818 00:39:42,641 --> 00:39:44,801 Speaker 5: And so what you know, what my wife has experienced 819 00:39:44,841 --> 00:39:48,841 Speaker 5: and how she's growing as a person is phenomenal. You know, 820 00:39:48,961 --> 00:39:51,041 Speaker 5: it's you know, but life is different, you know, living 821 00:39:51,081 --> 00:39:53,161 Speaker 5: on the Gold Coast, of living in community, it's you know, 822 00:39:53,281 --> 00:39:54,961 Speaker 5: there there are challenges. 823 00:39:54,961 --> 00:39:55,721 Speaker 3: It really is. 824 00:39:55,881 --> 00:39:59,641 Speaker 2: When you talk of love and loving you and had 825 00:39:59,681 --> 00:40:02,401 Speaker 2: you not learned to love you, would you have been 826 00:40:02,441 --> 00:40:04,801 Speaker 2: blessed with such a beautiful love in your life. 827 00:40:04,921 --> 00:40:07,601 Speaker 5: No day, No, I don't think so, no, because I 828 00:40:07,641 --> 00:40:09,321 Speaker 5: was chasing love in all the places. 829 00:40:09,681 --> 00:40:11,721 Speaker 2: Stiletto's is just not the fucking place you're going to 830 00:40:11,721 --> 00:40:12,081 Speaker 2: find love. 831 00:40:12,841 --> 00:40:13,921 Speaker 3: Find for an hour or so. 832 00:40:15,201 --> 00:40:16,721 Speaker 2: I think a little bit extra you might be able 833 00:40:16,721 --> 00:40:18,401 Speaker 2: to throw a bag and a few extra hundred off 834 00:40:18,441 --> 00:40:19,121 Speaker 2: for a special but. 835 00:40:20,681 --> 00:40:24,041 Speaker 4: Upgrade. It's just just have the bar. 836 00:40:24,201 --> 00:40:27,361 Speaker 2: Thanks. Love doesn't exist. But love doesn't exist. Like all 837 00:40:27,441 --> 00:40:30,681 Speaker 2: jokes aside, the love is what you have and what 838 00:40:30,761 --> 00:40:33,361 Speaker 2: a beautiful love story you have. And I really want 839 00:40:33,401 --> 00:40:34,001 Speaker 2: to say that. 840 00:40:34,161 --> 00:40:36,361 Speaker 5: And it is, you know, and it's and it is 841 00:40:36,401 --> 00:40:40,081 Speaker 5: beautiful and it's and it's it's one of those things 842 00:40:40,081 --> 00:40:42,801 Speaker 5: that it's like any relationship, it comes with, you know, 843 00:40:42,881 --> 00:40:45,361 Speaker 5: with learnings, you know. And I believe that we, as 844 00:40:45,601 --> 00:40:48,721 Speaker 5: you know, two individuals are learning to be together, you know, 845 00:40:48,841 --> 00:40:51,361 Speaker 5: and and that's you know, that's the beautiful part is 846 00:40:51,361 --> 00:40:53,681 Speaker 5: that we are you know, we come with our own traumas. 847 00:40:53,681 --> 00:40:55,321 Speaker 3: It's a big step for your wife though. 848 00:40:55,401 --> 00:40:58,481 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, you know where I won't touched sort 849 00:40:58,481 --> 00:41:01,401 Speaker 2: of too much on personal journey, especially respect to your wife. 850 00:41:01,441 --> 00:41:04,441 Speaker 3: But you know, you're talking about a beautiful. 851 00:41:04,081 --> 00:41:06,961 Speaker 2: Woman whom is someone who has grown in a remote 852 00:41:07,161 --> 00:41:14,361 Speaker 2: community under a totally different I guess, vision and belief 853 00:41:14,401 --> 00:41:17,521 Speaker 2: space around how the world should be and her life 854 00:41:17,561 --> 00:41:21,041 Speaker 2: should be to then bang in the city of just 855 00:41:21,081 --> 00:41:24,521 Speaker 2: the rat race, Like, I couldn't imagine anything worse. 856 00:41:24,721 --> 00:41:27,641 Speaker 4: It's being married to me is like being married to movies. 857 00:41:29,321 --> 00:41:29,641 Speaker 4: I've mean. 858 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:33,921 Speaker 2: But yet here your beautiful wife is through your guidance 859 00:41:33,961 --> 00:41:36,681 Speaker 2: and support, and I'm sure that she gives you the 860 00:41:36,681 --> 00:41:38,761 Speaker 2: same in return, because that's how relationship works. 861 00:41:38,801 --> 00:41:39,521 Speaker 3: It's a give and take. 862 00:41:40,641 --> 00:41:44,761 Speaker 2: But wow, what an amazing opportunity and achievement for her 863 00:41:44,841 --> 00:41:46,921 Speaker 2: to be where she is and know that, what a 864 00:41:47,001 --> 00:41:51,041 Speaker 2: confidence confidence building thing for her as a woman to 865 00:41:51,121 --> 00:41:55,561 Speaker 2: be strong enough to be present in such a fast 866 00:41:55,641 --> 00:41:59,601 Speaker 2: pacing space which is totally not what she was raised in. 867 00:41:59,881 --> 00:42:02,721 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and it comes with fear, interrepidation. 868 00:42:03,001 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, married to me is excited, you know, but there's 869 00:42:06,481 --> 00:42:08,961 Speaker 5: fear in trepidation, you know, because you know when the 870 00:42:09,001 --> 00:42:11,401 Speaker 5: moment I recommitted back to my business. And you know, 871 00:42:11,441 --> 00:42:16,121 Speaker 5: I really think this year I was privileged enough to 872 00:42:16,761 --> 00:42:19,241 Speaker 5: climb Mount Everest or go to base camp Mount Everest 873 00:42:19,601 --> 00:42:23,121 Speaker 5: with with nine you know, very good he did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 874 00:42:23,321 --> 00:42:24,761 Speaker 5: he carried the did we do up the top of 875 00:42:24,801 --> 00:42:25,281 Speaker 5: Mount everwe? 876 00:42:25,401 --> 00:42:26,041 Speaker 3: So you did that too? 877 00:42:26,081 --> 00:42:28,561 Speaker 4: Yeah? I did that? Yeah this year, but. 878 00:42:28,521 --> 00:42:32,081 Speaker 5: I carry that for you to do Jeremy come on 879 00:42:33,081 --> 00:42:35,441 Speaker 5: so much and you know, but that was a catalyst 880 00:42:35,481 --> 00:42:39,281 Speaker 5: for me for the you know, for you know, relaunching business, 881 00:42:39,361 --> 00:42:40,801 Speaker 5: getting back into it, you know. 882 00:42:40,881 --> 00:42:41,681 Speaker 4: And you know, so. 883 00:42:41,641 --> 00:42:44,121 Speaker 5: My my wife has has watched me go from being 884 00:42:44,361 --> 00:42:46,281 Speaker 5: you know, sort of a youth worker basing up in 885 00:42:46,361 --> 00:42:50,281 Speaker 5: Cannanara with stories about what my previous business and life was, 886 00:42:50,561 --> 00:42:52,561 Speaker 5: to now is on the ride with me, you know, 887 00:42:52,601 --> 00:42:55,201 Speaker 5: and she's watching the growth happen pretty rapidly, you know, 888 00:42:55,281 --> 00:42:58,321 Speaker 5: anything from you know, the large installations of murals that 889 00:42:58,361 --> 00:43:01,721 Speaker 5: we've just worked on which you just have over and 890 00:43:01,801 --> 00:43:03,961 Speaker 5: we'll be back there and all in October, you know, 891 00:43:04,001 --> 00:43:07,441 Speaker 5: to art exhibitions, to public speaking to you know, traveling 892 00:43:07,441 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 5: to Dubai with the Primal Warrior group that we're about 893 00:43:10,001 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 5: to go to Dubai, you know, in ten days time. 894 00:43:13,001 --> 00:43:16,401 Speaker 5: It's amazing, but there's fear that comes with that, you know, 895 00:43:16,721 --> 00:43:20,001 Speaker 5: in loving me and it's my responsibility and obligation to 896 00:43:20,041 --> 00:43:22,161 Speaker 5: make my wife feel safe, you know, and to say 897 00:43:22,161 --> 00:43:25,041 Speaker 5: that it's okay, like you are part of this. You 898 00:43:25,081 --> 00:43:27,481 Speaker 5: are in fact a huge part of it, because I 899 00:43:27,521 --> 00:43:30,161 Speaker 5: wouldn't be the person I am today without the love 900 00:43:30,201 --> 00:43:32,121 Speaker 5: and support that you continue. 901 00:43:31,681 --> 00:43:35,001 Speaker 3: To keywords love and support and that. 902 00:43:34,961 --> 00:43:38,521 Speaker 5: Doesn't mean it doesn't make her unsafe, because it's right. 903 00:43:38,961 --> 00:43:42,761 Speaker 5: She's a community woman who now has a husband that 904 00:43:43,121 --> 00:43:45,281 Speaker 5: is being invited to go to Dubai, is going here 905 00:43:45,361 --> 00:43:48,441 Speaker 5: going you know, like my wife doesn't even have a passport, 906 00:43:48,521 --> 00:43:50,721 Speaker 5: Like you know, that's something that she needs we need 907 00:43:50,761 --> 00:43:53,961 Speaker 5: to work on to get, you know, traveling overseas terrifies her. 908 00:43:54,161 --> 00:43:56,121 Speaker 2: But at the same time too, Jay's I think, you know, 909 00:43:56,201 --> 00:44:00,681 Speaker 2: you would be her strength and her pillar of knowing 910 00:44:00,721 --> 00:44:02,681 Speaker 2: the comforts there, like she can go to work, and 911 00:44:02,841 --> 00:44:06,201 Speaker 2: she has these beautiful skill sets that she's grown to 912 00:44:06,281 --> 00:44:09,401 Speaker 2: build off her own stop back behind that's been this 913 00:44:09,521 --> 00:44:13,321 Speaker 2: strong man who's been there supporting, protecting, uplifting, and then 914 00:44:13,321 --> 00:44:16,921 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're what, everything you're doing is 915 00:44:16,961 --> 00:44:19,561 Speaker 2: for the better of your future together and the future 916 00:44:19,601 --> 00:44:23,521 Speaker 2: of your family and your children. But it's a very 917 00:44:23,561 --> 00:44:27,041 Speaker 2: scary space for her to be left to fend for 918 00:44:27,081 --> 00:44:29,321 Speaker 2: herself because no longer is. 919 00:44:29,801 --> 00:44:32,441 Speaker 3: My man or my protector. 920 00:44:33,361 --> 00:44:35,721 Speaker 2: And look, I don't mean that to any woman out 921 00:44:35,721 --> 00:44:36,001 Speaker 2: there live. 922 00:44:36,041 --> 00:44:37,641 Speaker 3: I know you can all stand on your own feet. 923 00:44:37,681 --> 00:44:40,201 Speaker 2: This is a respectfully I'm putting this loving in a 924 00:44:40,241 --> 00:44:44,521 Speaker 2: beautiful kind way as men and looking after his wife 925 00:44:44,921 --> 00:44:49,481 Speaker 2: in an honorably beautiful kind way, which is man. 926 00:44:49,481 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 5: That's one thing that we should never we should never 927 00:44:52,521 --> 00:44:56,201 Speaker 5: forget the chivalry that does exist amongst men, you know, 928 00:44:56,281 --> 00:44:58,481 Speaker 5: and I will I will say this straight out, and 929 00:44:58,761 --> 00:45:00,961 Speaker 5: I've got no shame in it. Is that some of 930 00:45:02,281 --> 00:45:04,001 Speaker 5: in the world that we grew up in in the 931 00:45:04,121 --> 00:45:06,361 Speaker 5: you know, associated the gangs and different things, some of 932 00:45:06,401 --> 00:45:09,681 Speaker 5: those old heads is where chivalry exists. 933 00:45:09,841 --> 00:45:10,041 Speaker 4: You know. 934 00:45:10,081 --> 00:45:13,281 Speaker 5: They still believe in opening a door crasket, you know, 935 00:45:13,361 --> 00:45:14,921 Speaker 5: giving giving a lady your seat. 936 00:45:14,961 --> 00:45:16,441 Speaker 4: We should never step away from that. 937 00:45:16,561 --> 00:45:19,801 Speaker 2: I think it's a duty to or proteg glove and serve. 938 00:45:20,241 --> 00:45:22,321 Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean like at the end of the day, 939 00:45:22,521 --> 00:45:26,401 Speaker 5: you know, the life that I live today is so 940 00:45:26,641 --> 00:45:29,561 Speaker 5: is only just beginning, you know. That's that's the scary part, 941 00:45:30,201 --> 00:45:34,201 Speaker 5: you know. But it's also the the the absolute exciting 942 00:45:34,241 --> 00:45:37,361 Speaker 5: part for me is that that when you when your 943 00:45:37,401 --> 00:45:39,641 Speaker 5: circle is tight and you've got people in your circle 944 00:45:39,841 --> 00:45:42,721 Speaker 5: like you that you love that you know that every 945 00:45:42,721 --> 00:45:45,721 Speaker 5: time you call my phone, I get excited, oh bro. 946 00:45:46,681 --> 00:45:48,081 Speaker 4: And it's like, because there's. 947 00:45:47,881 --> 00:45:49,881 Speaker 2: Been mutely a little bit uncomfortable now here and you're 948 00:45:49,921 --> 00:45:50,881 Speaker 2: going away for this time. 949 00:45:51,121 --> 00:45:55,761 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's my phone always on. It doesn't matter where 950 00:45:55,761 --> 00:45:57,001 Speaker 4: I am in the world, you know. 951 00:45:57,041 --> 00:45:59,961 Speaker 5: And that's the thing is that you know, but it's 952 00:46:00,001 --> 00:46:02,161 Speaker 5: it's one of those things, is that the world's the always, 953 00:46:02,321 --> 00:46:04,841 Speaker 5: you know, whether it comes down to entrepreneurship, whether it 954 00:46:04,841 --> 00:46:08,361 Speaker 5: comes down my own business, installation, murals, the public speaking 955 00:46:08,401 --> 00:46:10,921 Speaker 5: side of things. The primal warrior, you know, which is 956 00:46:10,961 --> 00:46:13,081 Speaker 5: the four of us men by running this business around 957 00:46:13,121 --> 00:46:16,161 Speaker 5: men's well being, is that we have a vision. 958 00:46:16,401 --> 00:46:17,161 Speaker 4: I have a dream. 959 00:46:17,521 --> 00:46:20,161 Speaker 5: We have a vision, and we will do everything it 960 00:46:20,201 --> 00:46:23,121 Speaker 5: takes to ensure if one wins, we all win, you know. 961 00:46:23,201 --> 00:46:25,081 Speaker 5: And that's and that's the biggest thing for me, is 962 00:46:25,081 --> 00:46:28,161 Speaker 5: that if one wins, we all win. I'm not in 963 00:46:28,481 --> 00:46:30,521 Speaker 5: I don't want to be the richest person in the cemetery. 964 00:46:30,961 --> 00:46:33,081 Speaker 5: I've got no interest in that. In fact that I've 965 00:46:33,121 --> 00:46:35,161 Speaker 5: never had lots of money because I always give it 966 00:46:35,201 --> 00:46:36,201 Speaker 5: all away, you know. 967 00:46:36,281 --> 00:46:39,441 Speaker 4: Part of being an Aboriginal man, it's. 968 00:46:39,241 --> 00:46:42,801 Speaker 5: Difficult having money because we have family obligations, you know that, 969 00:46:43,081 --> 00:46:45,361 Speaker 5: you know, having to support everyone do a different thing. 970 00:46:45,601 --> 00:46:47,361 Speaker 5: But now I've got to a point in my life 971 00:46:47,361 --> 00:46:50,521 Speaker 5: where no fuck that like I want to I want 972 00:46:50,521 --> 00:46:51,681 Speaker 5: to own a home for my family. 973 00:46:51,881 --> 00:46:52,841 Speaker 4: I want to buy a house. 974 00:46:53,081 --> 00:46:54,761 Speaker 5: I want to have, you know, a house that looks 975 00:46:54,801 --> 00:46:56,881 Speaker 5: like what I want it to look like, rather than 976 00:46:56,921 --> 00:47:00,081 Speaker 5: being defined or being told what my government is going 977 00:47:00,121 --> 00:47:00,521 Speaker 5: to look like. 978 00:47:01,201 --> 00:47:03,081 Speaker 4: I want to be able to build the back garden 979 00:47:03,161 --> 00:47:03,721 Speaker 4: that I want. 980 00:47:03,961 --> 00:47:05,961 Speaker 5: You know that if my wife wants a veggie garden, 981 00:47:05,961 --> 00:47:08,241 Speaker 5: that I want her to have whatever veggie garden she wants. 982 00:47:08,681 --> 00:47:11,841 Speaker 5: You know, they're just they're non negotiables for my life now. 983 00:47:12,081 --> 00:47:15,561 Speaker 2: And you know, the one thing that we want to 984 00:47:15,601 --> 00:47:19,721 Speaker 2: do here with all our guests in today Jeremy's story, 985 00:47:19,921 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 2: it's just absolutely phenomenal. Purpose of today is too And 986 00:47:24,681 --> 00:47:27,241 Speaker 2: in the past I've always asked my guests to leave 987 00:47:28,201 --> 00:47:31,481 Speaker 2: with a personal sort of verse or something that would 988 00:47:31,721 --> 00:47:35,881 Speaker 2: be worthy to our listener in how they could change 989 00:47:35,921 --> 00:47:39,601 Speaker 2: their life from that life of crime or struggling. We've 990 00:47:39,681 --> 00:47:43,481 Speaker 2: changed that now. Today's about tools and creating our toolkit. 991 00:47:44,481 --> 00:47:46,801 Speaker 2: I want to know your top two tips for the 992 00:47:46,841 --> 00:47:49,321 Speaker 2: people out there listening right now, For you guys out 993 00:47:49,321 --> 00:47:51,561 Speaker 2: there that have got the dreams, got the visions, want 994 00:47:51,561 --> 00:47:55,001 Speaker 2: to play the digitido, want to have whatever it might 995 00:47:55,081 --> 00:47:57,721 Speaker 2: be in your life that brings you the joy, the passion, 996 00:47:57,841 --> 00:48:03,601 Speaker 2: that love, that vibration of just goodness. What are two 997 00:48:03,921 --> 00:48:08,041 Speaker 2: key points we can start with and at the end 998 00:48:08,401 --> 00:48:11,041 Speaker 2: add to a toolbox of having twenty key points. By 999 00:48:11,041 --> 00:48:14,361 Speaker 2: the time we get to the tenth episode from Jeremy Donovan. 1000 00:48:15,121 --> 00:48:16,361 Speaker 4: The first one's a fire. Bruh. 1001 00:48:16,601 --> 00:48:19,161 Speaker 5: You know, I always go back to a fire when 1002 00:48:19,201 --> 00:48:21,881 Speaker 5: my and this is These are not my lessons, These 1003 00:48:21,921 --> 00:48:24,081 Speaker 5: are lessons that I bought into my life. But these 1004 00:48:24,121 --> 00:48:27,321 Speaker 5: are my This is my grandfather's teaching. When I was 1005 00:48:27,321 --> 00:48:30,561 Speaker 5: a broken young person in the system and they were 1006 00:48:30,601 --> 00:48:34,801 Speaker 5: sending pediatric psychologists, psychiatrists, psychiatric help, you know, because they 1007 00:48:34,801 --> 00:48:37,201 Speaker 5: were trying to understand, you know, the mechanisms of who 1008 00:48:37,241 --> 00:48:40,441 Speaker 5: we were. Every single one used to say to me, 1009 00:48:40,561 --> 00:48:42,321 Speaker 5: if you don't let go of that rage, it's going 1010 00:48:42,361 --> 00:48:42,841 Speaker 5: to kill someone. 1011 00:48:42,881 --> 00:48:44,441 Speaker 4: It's going to kill something. You need to get rid 1012 00:48:44,481 --> 00:48:44,881 Speaker 4: of the rage. 1013 00:48:44,921 --> 00:48:47,721 Speaker 5: You're too angry all this shit, my grandfather said to me, 1014 00:48:47,881 --> 00:48:51,921 Speaker 5: And it was the most poignant and per important thing. 1015 00:48:52,281 --> 00:48:54,561 Speaker 5: Still to this day, my grandfather said, don't ever let 1016 00:48:54,561 --> 00:48:54,921 Speaker 5: it die. 1017 00:48:56,281 --> 00:48:57,641 Speaker 3: Is that the fire within your felluy? 1018 00:48:57,841 --> 00:49:00,801 Speaker 5: Yeah, but just don't let it burn. Anyone, And I said, 1019 00:49:00,801 --> 00:49:02,921 Speaker 5: what do you mean, And he said, don't ever dim 1020 00:49:02,921 --> 00:49:03,401 Speaker 5: that fire. 1021 00:49:03,921 --> 00:49:05,681 Speaker 4: He said, but here's the thing. A fire. 1022 00:49:06,921 --> 00:49:10,241 Speaker 5: If you build a fire, and you build it right, 1023 00:49:10,881 --> 00:49:13,681 Speaker 5: you lay the kingling down, the small bits of wood, 1024 00:49:13,681 --> 00:49:15,801 Speaker 5: then you place the medium bits, and then as it 1025 00:49:15,841 --> 00:49:18,561 Speaker 5: starts to burn, you place the heavier ones, and you 1026 00:49:18,641 --> 00:49:21,001 Speaker 5: slowly put it, and then you put the hardwood on 1027 00:49:21,241 --> 00:49:23,761 Speaker 5: at nighttime. It will burn all through the night and 1028 00:49:23,801 --> 00:49:27,321 Speaker 5: it will keep everyone warm. If you just try and 1029 00:49:27,641 --> 00:49:30,401 Speaker 5: douse it with petrol just to make the fire the biggest, 1030 00:49:30,441 --> 00:49:33,721 Speaker 5: the badest, it's going to fucking burn everything down and 1031 00:49:33,761 --> 00:49:36,001 Speaker 5: it's going to distur And so all I say to 1032 00:49:36,001 --> 00:49:39,601 Speaker 5: people is, choose what you put on your fire, you know. 1033 00:49:39,681 --> 00:49:42,201 Speaker 5: So choose what you put in your life, you know, 1034 00:49:42,281 --> 00:49:45,601 Speaker 5: because you know so if you put drugs in your system, alcohol, 1035 00:49:45,801 --> 00:49:48,001 Speaker 5: you put violence, you put it's all it's going to 1036 00:49:48,001 --> 00:49:49,761 Speaker 5: do is destroy everything around you. 1037 00:49:49,561 --> 00:49:50,361 Speaker 3: And burn you out. 1038 00:49:50,441 --> 00:49:51,361 Speaker 4: But if you put. 1039 00:49:51,201 --> 00:49:54,321 Speaker 5: Good wood on your fire, and it slow burns all 1040 00:49:54,361 --> 00:49:56,521 Speaker 5: through the night, so you put the right brother next 1041 00:49:56,521 --> 00:49:59,761 Speaker 5: to you, you put the right people, the right food, 1042 00:49:59,961 --> 00:50:03,881 Speaker 5: the right training, the right discipline, it will keep everyone 1043 00:50:03,961 --> 00:50:08,201 Speaker 5: warm and it will serve the community. And that's you know, 1044 00:50:08,321 --> 00:50:10,281 Speaker 5: and that's the biggest thing for me, is that the 1045 00:50:10,321 --> 00:50:13,441 Speaker 5: fire is the biggest analogy that I look at today 1046 00:50:13,521 --> 00:50:16,721 Speaker 5: and still today. You know, if I find myself exhausted 1047 00:50:16,881 --> 00:50:20,121 Speaker 5: or depleted, the first place I go back to is 1048 00:50:20,161 --> 00:50:23,321 Speaker 5: the fire. And it's a great reminder of my grandfather, 1049 00:50:23,521 --> 00:50:25,841 Speaker 5: you know, about the poison. Here's a man that grew 1050 00:50:25,921 --> 00:50:29,041 Speaker 5: up in a time where where fuck racism and prejudicem 1051 00:50:29,201 --> 00:50:32,561 Speaker 5: you know, prejudice existed in your face, you know, like 1052 00:50:32,641 --> 00:50:34,961 Speaker 5: there was, you know, there was you know, my grandfather 1053 00:50:35,001 --> 00:50:36,441 Speaker 5: grew up in a time where he could only go 1054 00:50:36,481 --> 00:50:38,321 Speaker 5: to the movie cinemas once a month, and they called 1055 00:50:38,321 --> 00:50:40,761 Speaker 5: it the monkey movies. You know, like like this is 1056 00:50:40,921 --> 00:50:42,921 Speaker 5: you know, but he's a man that was so calm, 1057 00:50:43,241 --> 00:50:47,041 Speaker 5: so loving, so kind, ferocious as a warrior, but so 1058 00:50:47,161 --> 00:50:50,721 Speaker 5: loving kind. And the other point is as and this 1059 00:50:50,801 --> 00:50:56,481 Speaker 5: is more a tool for men, and it is about 1060 00:50:56,521 --> 00:51:04,201 Speaker 5: crying and about tears. A warrior is not defined by 1061 00:51:04,241 --> 00:51:08,001 Speaker 5: how he throws a spear, but how he stands with 1062 00:51:08,081 --> 00:51:14,881 Speaker 5: a falling tear. Find courage in standing upright, not shying 1063 00:51:14,921 --> 00:51:18,001 Speaker 5: away from tears and emotions that if we weren't meant 1064 00:51:18,001 --> 00:51:22,321 Speaker 5: to have them, we wouldn't be given them. We are 1065 00:51:22,361 --> 00:51:25,841 Speaker 5: meant to cry. Wow, We're meant to have those feelings. 1066 00:51:26,321 --> 00:51:29,881 Speaker 5: If we suppress them, they will eat us alive, you know. 1067 00:51:29,961 --> 00:51:34,201 Speaker 5: So find the space, find the courage to let tears fall, 1068 00:51:34,281 --> 00:51:37,441 Speaker 5: don't let don't wipe them, let them fall, you know. 1069 00:51:37,521 --> 00:51:40,241 Speaker 5: We so we're taught to fuck hide our tears, don't 1070 00:51:40,601 --> 00:51:44,041 Speaker 5: If your tears run, let them run. And let that. 1071 00:51:44,201 --> 00:51:46,281 Speaker 5: And you know that's an analogy that can be used 1072 00:51:46,281 --> 00:51:46,961 Speaker 5: for me. 1073 00:51:47,521 --> 00:51:50,601 Speaker 3: That is right there, two of the most powerful tools 1074 00:51:50,921 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 3: and analogies that I've ever heard. 1075 00:51:52,521 --> 00:51:55,801 Speaker 2: And I'm not pissing in your pocket just before we go, 1076 00:51:56,001 --> 00:51:58,361 Speaker 2: you talk about tears. I was bit a post on 1077 00:51:58,401 --> 00:52:02,641 Speaker 2: my Instagram the Clink podcast the other day. And I 1078 00:52:02,681 --> 00:52:04,281 Speaker 2: go for a run every morning, though, get up at 1079 00:52:04,281 --> 00:52:05,881 Speaker 2: four am and I run, I rise with the sun. 1080 00:52:05,921 --> 00:52:09,001 Speaker 2: It's just something that is healing for me. I had 1081 00:52:09,001 --> 00:52:12,921 Speaker 2: this overwhelming emotion whilst I was running as the sun rose, 1082 00:52:12,961 --> 00:52:15,481 Speaker 2: and I'm bursting to tears and all these people are 1083 00:52:15,481 --> 00:52:19,241 Speaker 2: walking past me. And here's this, you know, six foot 1084 00:52:19,601 --> 00:52:23,081 Speaker 2: one hundred and ten kilo bloke covering tats running past 1085 00:52:23,201 --> 00:52:27,121 Speaker 2: with just tears pouring down my face. And I thought 1086 00:52:27,161 --> 00:52:29,401 Speaker 2: when is the right time. There is no right time. 1087 00:52:29,801 --> 00:52:32,681 Speaker 2: This moment right now is right and I let it 1088 00:52:32,721 --> 00:52:35,201 Speaker 2: flow and I did a little post about it because 1089 00:52:35,201 --> 00:52:37,321 Speaker 2: I felt it was so important, and you right now 1090 00:52:37,441 --> 00:52:42,801 Speaker 2: have just just really solified my whole thought of that 1091 00:52:42,921 --> 00:52:49,601 Speaker 2: post and it was Okay, absolutely, I'm gonna I'm gonna 1092 00:52:49,681 --> 00:52:53,601 Speaker 2: end it on that note, because Jeremy, I'm in all mate. 1093 00:52:53,801 --> 00:52:54,881 Speaker 3: I can't thank you enough. 1094 00:52:55,641 --> 00:52:59,521 Speaker 2: What a guest, What a first episode to season sixteen. 1095 00:53:00,201 --> 00:53:01,001 Speaker 3: Jeremy Donovan. 1096 00:53:01,161 --> 00:53:05,841 Speaker 2: You are truly a worry and inspirational, beautiful human and brother. 1097 00:53:06,961 --> 00:53:07,401 Speaker 3: I love you. 1098 00:53:07,521 --> 00:53:07,841 Speaker 4: I love you. 1099 00:53:10,361 --> 00:53:13,321 Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, thank you, and God bless you man and 1100 00:53:13,361 --> 00:53:15,721 Speaker 2: all the best with your journeys ahead. And we will 1101 00:53:16,041 --> 00:53:19,401 Speaker 2: one hundred percent here more back from Jeremy, and that 1102 00:53:19,601 --> 00:53:22,241 Speaker 2: I can guarantee to everybody out there. I really hope 1103 00:53:22,321 --> 00:53:24,881 Speaker 2: that this first episode has brought you some inspiration. 1104 00:53:25,481 --> 00:53:27,841 Speaker 3: The first two tools that have. 1105 00:53:27,801 --> 00:53:29,481 Speaker 2: Been put on the table for you to put in 1106 00:53:29,481 --> 00:53:32,281 Speaker 2: your toolbox are there now and we've got many more 1107 00:53:32,361 --> 00:53:32,601 Speaker 2: to come. 1108 00:53:32,641 --> 00:53:34,361 Speaker 3: Thank you very much for listening to the clip. 1109 00:53:34,521 --> 00:53:35,881 Speaker 4: Thanks Chermy, Thanks all. 1110 00:53:36,441 --> 00:53:37,081 Speaker 3: For the record. 1111 00:53:37,321 --> 00:53:40,641 Speaker 1: Don't try and make you uncomfortable. Photo record you a 1112 00:53:40,801 --> 00:53:44,241 Speaker 1: trying world and stuff for your photo record lab on 1113 00:53:44,361 --> 00:53:47,881 Speaker 1: me going all the way photo record. Ain't trying to link, No, 1114 00:53:48,001 --> 00:53:58,441 Speaker 1: trying to wish for retragged for the right Forto reged 1115 00:53:59,401 --> 00:54:00,081 Speaker 1: fort Regan