Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry, Thanks Andrew and good evening. Yep, it's
Speaker 2: a massive show tonight. Kevin Rudd begs the Trump administration
Speaker 2: to cut a secret deal on Tariff's. My sources say
Speaker 2: he's citing the election. Our exclusive in a moment, plus
Speaker 2: my revelation today that a Chinese spy ship is circumnavigating
Speaker 2: Australia's south coast. Well Albanese's weak response as the coalition
Speaker 2: questions want intelligence.
Speaker 1: It's collecting this group has made big news.
Speaker 3: More on that coming up.
Speaker 2: Nine hold into court today over the secret recordings where
Speaker 2: journalist Nick McKenzie admits to breaching his own ethics in
Speaker 2: the war crimes case against Ben Robert Smith. The Victoria
Speaker 2: Cross recipient's parents make an emotional plea, and Albanze finally
Speaker 2: responds to the outcomes from our Sky News Anti Semitism summit,
Speaker 2: but his letter firms he's not going to implement a
Speaker 2: single one. Alex Driftin will be on the show a
Speaker 2: bit later to respond to this disappointing but not unsurprising news.
Speaker 1: Plus who will.
Speaker 2: Dial Lee back in a hung Parliament? Well, she'll tell
Speaker 2: us live tonight now. As I said this is a
Speaker 2: big show. It's the first official day of the election
Speaker 2: campaign and these exclusive stories from day one are exactly
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Speaker 2: the campaign. You won't get them on the ABC or
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Speaker 2: eight o'clock every night and first tonight, Yes, the election
Speaker 2: campaign is on with Peter Dutton kicking off in Queensland,
Speaker 2: then Western Sydney on the weekend and to Margo in
Speaker 2: the Newcastle region and tonight back in Brisbane with my
Speaker 2: mate Paul Murray. The Prime Minister started in Dutton's seat
Speaker 2: of Dixon in an aggressive sign he was coming after
Speaker 2: the opposition leader. Over the weekend, Albinizi also went to
Speaker 2: Bundenberg the Bell where the seat of Eden Monaro, and
Speaker 2: he was in Perth today. Now Peter Dutton enters this
Speaker 2: contest from behind and against the grain of history. The
Speaker 2: last time a government lost after one term was in
Speaker 2: the nineteen thirties, nearly a century ago.
Speaker 1: Buddies in with a chance a good chance.
Speaker 2: Although the polls have tightened, with Albenizi now ahead in
Speaker 2: news poll, but it's only a one point lead and
Speaker 2: ahead as preferred prime Minister in the Herald's Resolved Political Monitor,
Speaker 2: but Freshwater's poll in the finn Review still had the
Speaker 2: Coalition ahead just at fifty one forty nine two pp.
Speaker 3: Now there's a long way to go.
Speaker 2: It's still just under five weeks until polling day, and
Speaker 2: the scrutiny of Albanesi's monumental broken promises and lies is
Speaker 2: only just beginning. The Australian reports today that Albanezi promised
Speaker 2: before the last election that there'd be two seventy five
Speaker 2: dollars off your power bills, and of course it's a
Speaker 2: promise no one can forget.
Speaker 4: Deducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy five dollars a year. There'll be
Speaker 4: reduction for households of two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 3: At the time.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister or Albanizi then said that this promise
Speaker 2: was based on the most comprehensive modeling ever undertaken.
Speaker 4: This as good policy, but we made sure we could
Speaker 4: back it up with the most extensive independent modeling ever
Speaker 4: carried out for any policy by any opposition ever since federation.
Speaker 2: And he repeated that promise again at a press conference.
Speaker 4: Prices will be loud, the modelings out there for all this,
Speaker 4: we need independent modeling by reputex the most extensive modeling
Speaker 4: for any policy by any opposition since federation.
Speaker 2: Well that was a total lie, because now Albin Ezi
Speaker 2: is walking away from this modeling, claiming, no, it couldn't
Speaker 2: be trusted, it was undertaken by someone else.
Speaker 4: It's reputexas modeling.
Speaker 5: Excuse me, you took that was what you base your
Speaker 5: policies on. It's Reputex's model ownership of that modeling. It's
Speaker 5: reputexas modeling. From that time, you don't support the modeling anymore.
Speaker 5: This is you walking away from that modeling.
Speaker 4: It's reputexas modeling based upon the circumstances at that time.
Speaker 2: Well, this is simply a true reflection of Albanese's own character,
Speaker 2: his disregard for the truth or accountability. Another example today,
Speaker 2: he stood in front of a Medicare sign and claimed
Speaker 2: that medica would only be safe under his government, but
Speaker 2: not under Peter Dutton.
Speaker 4: This is a choice this election. It's a choice between labor,
Speaker 4: building Australia's future and strengthening Medicare and a coalition led
Speaker 4: by Peter Dutton that wants to cut everything except for
Speaker 4: your taxes, a coalition that will cut medicare as sure
Speaker 4: as not.
Speaker 2: Follows day now our Monday panelist who's going to be
Speaker 2: on the show tonight, Cameron Milner.
Speaker 1: He writes this evening.
Speaker 2: In The Nightly that he was personally in the labor
Speaker 2: back room when they first, in his words, cooked up
Speaker 2: Maddie Scare in twenty sixteen, and he's going to speak
Speaker 2: about that on the show tonight. But he notes that
Speaker 2: Alban Easy is now in a brilliant mood.
Speaker 1: He's flying.
Speaker 3: He thinks he's going to win this election easily.
Speaker 2: But the poll's show this is what Cameron Milner writes,
Speaker 2: These poles show Albo might be suffering from a case
Speaker 2: of premature election, peaking too early, with so long yet
Speaker 2: to go in this campaign. He says, it's still early days.
Speaker 2: And let's not forget Albo's best campaign week in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two was when he had COVID, only the company
Speaker 2: of Toto and an excuse not to be a nightly
Speaker 2: reminder of why voters detest his presence, and Biona then
Speaker 2: goes on to say that he really hopes for the
Speaker 2: Labor Party's sake that Albanesi doesn't condemn the party to
Speaker 2: being a one term wonder through his self harming actions
Speaker 2: yes to the Albow Voice, Copacabana retirement purchase, Quantus upgrades
Speaker 2: and Nathan's Chairman's lounge membership or mark Labour down due
Speaker 2: to his insipid weakness in government from everything from Beijing
Speaker 2: to Trump and actually fighting the cost of living crisis.
Speaker 3: Well, indeed, but.
Speaker 2: Albanzi has repeated the many Scan lie several times since Friday.
Speaker 2: He stood at press conferences, He's waived the Medicare card around,
Speaker 2: claimed this was under threat. Yet as far as I've seen,
Speaker 2: no one has properly called him out in this. No
Speaker 2: one has pulled him up and said, actually, Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: where is the evidence that the coalition will cut Medicare?
Speaker 2: Albaneze's claim is knowingly unethical and untruthful.
Speaker 1: It's simply a lie Dutton.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows that Dutton has no plans to scrap Medicare now.
Speaker 1: The tactic was still successful in the past.
Speaker 2: It reduced their loss in twenty sixteen, and we just
Speaker 2: have to hope that surely voters can't fall.
Speaker 3: For the same lies yet again.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's turn to some of our exclusive stories tonight,
Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd's secret push for tariff exemptions plus a Chinese
Speaker 2: spy ship circling our coast. Like in tonight reveal that
Speaker 2: Kevin Right has been begging the Trump administration to give
Speaker 2: Australia a reprieve on aluminium and steeled tariffs, arguing specifically
Speaker 2: that this needs to happen before the election.
Speaker 3: He's also been.
Speaker 2: Seeking to have Australia exempt from the Liberation Day tariffs
Speaker 2: by offering a deal that involves giving America a guaranteed
Speaker 2: stake in Australia's critical minerals. Now, Trump has said that
Speaker 2: April the second is Liberation Day, when he plans tougher
Speaker 2: trade tariffs that are hit America's largest trading partners.
Speaker 6: We are we have Liberation Day, as you know, on
Speaker 6: April second, because and I'm not referring to Canada, but
Speaker 6: many countries have taken advantage of us the likes of
Speaker 6: which nobody even thought it was possible for many, many decades,
Speaker 6: for decades.
Speaker 2: The renewed push for tariff exemptions comes amid the Albanzy
Speaker 2: government's panic about the election outcome and It follows out
Speaker 2: downing revelations that Trump wouldn't take Albanese's phone call. Now
Speaker 2: Kevin rad Australia's Washington ambassador, is understood to have been
Speaker 2: actively trying to get tariff exemptions over the line before
Speaker 2: the May third election. There's no love for Rudd among
Speaker 2: the Trump administration. His past comments calling the President a
Speaker 2: village idiot, among.
Speaker 3: Other insults a well known.
Speaker 2: But Trump has also rebuffed Albanese's repeated requests for a
Speaker 2: phone call, and this was highly embarrassing for Albanesi.
Speaker 1: He tried to deny.
Speaker 2: This completely when I first broke the story, but then
Speaker 2: was forced to reluctantly confirm that he couldn't get another
Speaker 2: call with Trump when he was asked about it a
Speaker 2: week later. The Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi has not managed
Speaker 2: to schedule another call with President Donald Trump, despite trade
Speaker 2: tariff's due to take effect in just eight days.
Speaker 4: We have continued to put in a request for another
Speaker 4: discussion with President Trump.
Speaker 5: Are you disappointed that requests to have second phone calls
Speaker 5: with Trump couldn't be fulfilled?
Speaker 7: Friends should pick.
Speaker 4: Up the phone, shouldn't They? Web engaged Web engaged, including
Speaker 4: through writing, including at senior levels.
Speaker 8: Of the government.
Speaker 2: And again when I asked the Albanezi government about this
Speaker 2: story today, once again a denial. A spokeswoman for Penny
Speaker 2: Wong said it was not true that Rudd has cited
Speaker 2: the upcoming election during negotiations. They said, the claims from
Speaker 2: your unidentified source are fabricated and untrue. Well, we can
Speaker 2: take that with a grain of salt. Perhaps Kevin Right
Speaker 2: is right and he never said that, But Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: at least believes he'd have a better working relationship with
Speaker 2: Trump if he were elected Prime minister.
Speaker 9: It's obvious that Anthony Aubernezi and Kevin Wright have had
Speaker 9: a shocker. The Prime minister can't secure a phone call
Speaker 9: a little at a meeting with the President of the
Speaker 9: United States, and how on earth can an outcome be
Speaker 9: negotiated if the President won't even take the prime minister's call.
Speaker 2: I've mentioned this before that sources close to the United
Speaker 2: States president say Alban Easy is viewed as an anti Trump,
Speaker 2: left wing globalist. But despite the rocky relationship between Trump
Speaker 2: and the alban Easy team, I'm told that a tariff
Speaker 2: exemption could happen this week, and this could be the
Speaker 2: liberation day tariffs or an exemption on steel and aluminium.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned, it's understood that the alben Ezy government
Speaker 2: has been working on a deal to have Australia exempt
Speaker 2: from Trump's tariffs in exchange for access to critical minerals.
Speaker 2: If this is granted, it would be in spite of
Speaker 2: Rudd and not because of him. It would be a
Speaker 2: reflection on the enduring Australia American alliance and not because
Speaker 2: of any work done by the Albanese government. In fact,
Speaker 2: the United States under both the Biden administration and now Trumps,
Speaker 2: have been disappointed, to say the least, with Australia's foreign
Speaker 2: policy positions. This includes Albanesi CosIng up to China and
Speaker 2: also Australia's voting record at the United Nations, which has
Speaker 2: been against United States interests, particularly on Israel and the
Speaker 2: Middle East. Now, the US was already growing agitated with
Speaker 2: the Albanese government on both China.
Speaker 1: And Israel, and that was under Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Relations are now even more out of step under Trump,
Speaker 2: and China is reasserting its dominance in our region. Earlier today,
Speaker 2: I exclusively revealed on the Sky News website that a
Speaker 2: Chinese government sponsored deep sea research vessel is circumnavigating the
Speaker 2: southern coast of Australia. It's a path that's tracking a
Speaker 2: similar route to our deep sea submarine cables. Now, this
Speaker 2: Chinese vessel is understood to have a dual purpose. It's
Speaker 2: got legitimate scientific research while it's collecting intelligence. It's therefore
Speaker 2: considered by national security experts to be a spy ship.
Speaker 2: Now Here was Dave Shama and Chris Kenny Show and
Speaker 2: Asby's Michael Schubridge speaking to Kieran Gilbert about this question earlier.
Speaker 7: This is not an innocuous research vessel.
Speaker 10: This is undoubtedly doing hydrographic research that's an exercise in
Speaker 10: intelligence gathering.
Speaker 7: There is no distinction between civilian and military research from
Speaker 7: these Chinese vessels, so everything that it collects will be
Speaker 7: passed to the People's Liberation only.
Speaker 2: The Chinese ship called Tanso Yihow is currently the coast
Speaker 2: of South Australia and it is with it Australia's.
Speaker 1: Exclusive economic zone.
Speaker 2: Now this follows a similar route to Australia's submarine cables,
Speaker 2: which it could be mapping, or it could even be
Speaker 2: signaling that it has the capability to cut the cables.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Journalists asked the Prime Minister about this after my story
Speaker 2: went online at his press conference in Perth earlier today,
Speaker 2: and he tried to brush it away and just move
Speaker 2: on quickly.
Speaker 4: It's been in New Zealand on a joint research operation
Speaker 4: and this isn't the first time that a similar vessel
Speaker 4: has been around the Australian coast. It occurred in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty for example, just to give one example. Australia, as
Speaker 4: you would expect, is monitoring this.
Speaker 2: But it's the Chinese ship's ability to drop a mini
Speaker 2: submersible that can reach up to ten thousand meters below
Speaker 2: sea level.
Speaker 3: It's the route of concern.
Speaker 2: I mean picture that ten thousand meters below sea level.
Speaker 2: Now again, Albanezi was asked about this point today.
Speaker 3: On this research vessel.
Speaker 11: It's come back for a second time. Do you know
Speaker 11: it's different?
Speaker 1: So do you know what it is researching?
Speaker 2: What have you done to protect our undersea cables from
Speaker 2: any monitoring or sabotage and have you communicated anything to
Speaker 2: the Chinese government about this?
Speaker 4: What we have done is we continuing to monitor it.
Speaker 4: We won't for obvious reasons, broadcast everything that we're doing
Speaker 4: but we're keeping an eye on this as we do
Speaker 4: as we do well avents.
Speaker 1: What does monitoring actually mean?
Speaker 4: What it means is that the Australian Defense Force are
Speaker 4: monitoring what is happening. It's going from New Zealand, we
Speaker 4: expect it to go around to China around that way.
Speaker 2: So the ship was in Wellington on a legitimate joint
Speaker 2: exploration exercise with New Zealand, but instead of taking the
Speaker 2: most direct route to China to return, it is instead
Speaker 2: going around the Australian coast and maps show it has
Speaker 2: traveled through the Tasman Sea between New Zealand and Australia,
Speaker 2: then the bas Strait and is now off the coast
Speaker 2: of South Australia, a similar route to the one taken
Speaker 2: by the Chinese warship last month after its live fire
Speaker 2: exercises off the coast of the Tasman Sea. Now Shadow
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister James Patterson told Peter Kredline earlier that
Speaker 2: what this Chinese ship is doing is nothing like Australian
Speaker 2: ships in Chinese waters, as Albanese claimed, now.
Speaker 10: Non Australian vessel is engaging in deep seabed examination in
Speaker 10: the territorial waters off the coast of China. We don't
Speaker 10: even have these sorts of vessels, so to compare the
Speaker 10: two was a false moral equivalence and the slur on
Speaker 10: men and women of the ADF.
Speaker 2: And the comparison or the excuse that Albanezi gave is absurd.
Speaker 2: Australia is helping to enforce freedom of navigation exercises.
Speaker 3: In international waters.
Speaker 2: While the Chinese ship is in Australia's territorial waters. It's
Speaker 2: a distinction that Albanese just isn't smart enough to understand.
Speaker 2: First the Chinese warship and now about a month later,
Speaker 2: a possible Chinese spy ship is circling our nation. No
Speaker 2: matter how Albanezy tries to downplay this, it's a highly
Speaker 2: concerning sign of aggression from the communist dictatorship and once
Speaker 2: again it highlights the Prime Minister's limp response and weakness
Speaker 2: in the face of hostile nations. Now a week ago
Speaker 2: today I played you this explosive recording of nine Star
Speaker 2: reporter Nick mackenzie claiming he'd engaged in unethical behavior during
Speaker 2: the Ben Roberts Smith War crimes case. He claimed he'd
Speaker 2: breached his ethics by obtaining part of the Victoria Cross
Speaker 2: recipient's legal strategy from his ex wife and her friend.
Speaker 2: Here were those devastating comments, again.
Speaker 5: Breaking us on his leadership to you respected you, No,
Speaker 5: I shouldn't tell you.
Speaker 11: I've just preached my.
Speaker 12: Ethics in doing that.
Speaker 11: Like this is where like this is to really se positioned.
Speaker 12: Now if they knew that and pet to.
Speaker 13: You that I can.
Speaker 2: And this related to Nine's defamation case against Robert Smith,
Speaker 2: where the allegations of war crimes were found to be
Speaker 2: substantially true. Now after our revelations, Robert Smith's lawyers launched
Speaker 2: a bid to have those findings overturned and for there
Speaker 2: to be a retrial. Well, there was an initial hearing
Speaker 2: on this in court today.
Speaker 14: The decision in mister Roberts Smith's appeal was yet to
Speaker 14: be handed down. Now it's up to the court to
Speaker 14: decide whether everyone will be dragged back inside to be
Speaker 14: questioned on this fresh recording.
Speaker 2: Ben Robert Smith's parents Len and Sue, who were in
Speaker 2: court to show their support.
Speaker 9: I was very concerned, as I said, that's about all
Speaker 9: we can say at the stays given the court because
Speaker 9: now has to deal with it.
Speaker 2: And they also told Sky News in a statement that
Speaker 2: their son had been the subject of vilification by Nick
Speaker 2: mackenzie and nine. They said the audio recordings were extremely
Speaker 2: concerning on a number of levels. These include questions about
Speaker 2: what legal strategies of Ben's was mackenzie referring to, and
Speaker 2: how did knowledge of them affect the conduct of the
Speaker 2: case before Justice Bisanko.
Speaker 1: Worryingly, that might.
Speaker 2: Be impossible to know. The issue is whether or not
Speaker 2: it resulted in an unfair trial. Now, Lenn Robert Smith,
Speaker 2: Ben's father, is a former Justice of the Supreme Court
Speaker 2: of Western Australia. He said there were questions too about
Speaker 2: what privileged information or material Ben's ex wife, Emma and
Speaker 2: her friend Dannielle.
Speaker 3: Scott told mackenzie or gave to him.
Speaker 2: Further, if mackenzie was prepared to speak to Person seventeen
Speaker 2: as he did on the recording, did he have similar
Speaker 2: conversations with other witnesses, If so, who and what did
Speaker 2: he say to them? Now McKenzie won major journalism awards
Speaker 2: for the reports accusing Robert Smith of war crimes. The
Speaker 2: Walkley Board has released a statement saying they'll discuss questions
Speaker 2: about whether or not this affects Mackenzie's Walkley award at
Speaker 2: the next board meeting. They said a question about reporting
Speaker 2: by Nick mackenzie relating to a defamation trial would be
Speaker 2: referred to the next board meeting in mid April, in
Speaker 2: line with standard operating procedure. It's devastating for the Nine
Speaker 2: network that this recording of their most celebrated journalist is public,
Speaker 2: where he's openly confessing to.
Speaker 3: A breach of ethics.
Speaker 2: The network still hasn't properly answered questions about this, beyond
Speaker 2: saying they defend their journalism. But now this will likely
Speaker 2: come under intense scrutiny at the federal court when mackenzie
Speaker 2: himself could be called to give evidence. All right, a
Speaker 2: busy show tonight to discuss. Let's bring in form a
Speaker 2: Speaker of the House, Bronwin Bishop and Sky News host
Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 3: Welcome.
Speaker 2: Now let's start with the story about the Chinese spyeship.
Speaker 2: How weak do you think Albaneze looked in his comments
Speaker 2: there tonight.
Speaker 1: Bromin pathetically weakened.
Speaker 15: Indeed, as I watched him pick up a baby and
Speaker 15: cuddle it, trying to get I guess some sympathetic reaction,
Speaker 15: it just screamed to me that Albanizey had no care
Speaker 15: in the world about that future of safety of that child.
Speaker 15: To say that he'd prefer that the that that ship
Speaker 15: wasn't there was just to me asking the question, what
Speaker 15: sort of deal did China's handsome boy do with the
Speaker 15: Chinese Communist Party in order to again sell why and lobsters.
Speaker 15: What other deals have been done to ensure that whatever
Speaker 15: messages come out of China on their version of we
Speaker 15: Chat or whatever it is they have to the Chinese
Speaker 15: diaspora in Australia. What sort of deals have secretly been done.
Speaker 15: I watched him cuddle that baby and I thought, what
Speaker 15: a hypocrite. You have no care at all for the
Speaker 15: future of that baby's safety.
Speaker 12: I did not say that connection.
Speaker 1: No, there was a lot of.
Speaker 12: Sounds like they steal the baby and sell it to
Speaker 12: the Chinese Communist Party.
Speaker 15: Know, Joe, that was not the point. If you cared
Speaker 15: about the future of that child, you would care about
Speaker 15: the future of this nation.
Speaker 1: You would start buying drones.
Speaker 15: And use them so you could properly track. When he
Speaker 15: said the idea of his tracking track it because we
Speaker 15: haven't bought them, that's why. So if he said they're
Speaker 15: monitoring how are they monitoring them. There are all sorts
Speaker 15: of things that are so wrong with the defense policies
Speaker 15: of this government that I am quite justified in saying
Speaker 15: that he has no care for the future safety of
Speaker 15: that child.
Speaker 12: So you would like to buy drones and one of
Speaker 12: the ship. What else is he meant to do? Is
Speaker 12: he meant to jump up and down?
Speaker 1: He's meant to.
Speaker 15: Have a proper defense policy. You're not to say.
Speaker 12: It's okay baby.
Speaker 15: Not to say that he's doing the same thing as
Speaker 15: was carefully laid out those earlier interviews, that in fact
Speaker 15: there's some sort of moral equivalence with us being in
Speaker 15: the South China.
Speaker 12: See moral equivalents.
Speaker 15: Well, you're Prime Minister, I think so, and you're going
Speaker 15: to try and stick up and you've got you've got
Speaker 15: a very difficult case.
Speaker 3: Let's see's response here or.
Speaker 12: Different the fact that matter? I mean again, I don't know.
Speaker 12: Obviously I would rather this ship wasn't there, as well,
Speaker 12: I would rather the Chinese warship wasn't doing Li Fi.
Speaker 1: No, it's absolutely not earlier.
Speaker 12: I know I read it because I read the news
Speaker 12: and he said he'd rather not be there. But again,
Speaker 12: what is the alternative apart from jumping up and down
Speaker 12: and saying, I mean, do you want China to put
Speaker 12: the bands on our exports again? Do you want? You know,
Speaker 12: are we going to pick a pick a fight with
Speaker 12: China when we don't even know how secure our treaty
Speaker 12: is with the United States of America under Donald Trump?
Speaker 12: You guys support I mean.
Speaker 13: I just what what? What?
Speaker 12: What is? Actually?
Speaker 8: What is?
Speaker 12: Actually?
Speaker 13: You've got an ambassador.
Speaker 15: Begging, begging that's something to be done in Australia's interest.
Speaker 1: What on earth?
Speaker 11: What on earth?
Speaker 15: What on earth is the ambassador in Beijing doing to say,
Speaker 15: get out of our waters?
Speaker 11: Where is that or the prime? And I'm not going
Speaker 11: to tell anybody what they're going.
Speaker 12: To So you think that they're here because this giant
Speaker 12: ambassador hasn't said to Beijing, please don't sing.
Speaker 1: That's not the point I'm making a response.
Speaker 2: Chinese al response to the Chinese warship was very weak.
Speaker 2: In fact, what is Sait even claim that he had
Speaker 2: been given notice of the live fire exercises when he
Speaker 2: wasn't given notice, So that weak response shows that he's
Speaker 2: not standing up for Australia's interests, And then it invites
Speaker 2: China becomes more emboldened in the face of that weekness.
Speaker 12: Surely it's weaker to say I had no idea. It
Speaker 12: was a complete surprice of me. Of course, you want
Speaker 12: to be able to project strength. Of course the Chinese
Speaker 12: are doing things Clandesteinley which we don't want them to
Speaker 12: be doing. And it is a spy ship.
Speaker 11: Why was it called the Handsome Boy.
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to count.
Speaker 12: Right, there is Chinese propaganda, but you don't believe what
Speaker 12: comes out of the Australian government.
Speaker 15: What I'm saying, I am saying, Shoe is you've got
Speaker 15: no right to see that what Alberanzi is doing is
Speaker 15: in the Australian's interest.
Speaker 16: So.
Speaker 12: Legitimately having secret talks with Beijing. Exactly, he has no
Speaker 12: secret deal because you implied I want to know a secret.
Speaker 13: I want to know what has started to resume.
Speaker 15: I didn't mentioned.
Speaker 12: But if you start, okay, if you start buying our
Speaker 12: lobsters lobsters you mentioned, but it is if you start again,
Speaker 12: you can send out spires the.
Speaker 15: Prime Minister Song the Chinese Communist Party.
Speaker 12: You think he's having secret talks to the Chinese? Comment
Speaker 12: they're handsome about letting.
Speaker 15: A handsome boy our prime minister, I am saying against Australia.
Speaker 1: I don't think saying this. She's saying, play.
Speaker 12: The exactly what for me? You said? What boxes? You said?
Speaker 13: Exactly talking?
Speaker 12: You said, what did he promise them during getting out?
Speaker 15: Next?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it begs the question, let's not yell.
Speaker 2: She's saying there's been acquiescence that we've seen Albanezi repeatedly
Speaker 2: fail to publicly stand up for Australia's interest. That includes
Speaker 2: when navy divers have been injured, when they've been nar
Speaker 2: Let me finish well. I think what she means is
Speaker 2: that there's been silence and acquiescence, and that this has.
Speaker 12: Seen baby he was holding. I mean that's she was.
Speaker 3: The baby's future.
Speaker 2: She meant, he's not worried about that baby's future that
Speaker 2: he was holding it.
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of baby.
Speaker 12: Maybe that's secret talks.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: And on that note, Brahma Bishop, Sorry we didn't get
Speaker 2: through more topics.
Speaker 12: Very much, always a pleasure so much.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Now we were speaking about the Australians front page earlier
Speaker 2: where Alban easy you know, claimed that the modeling was accurate.
Speaker 3: Now he's walking away from it.
Speaker 2: Well, let's bring in the journalist who wrote that story,
Speaker 2: The Australians Chief Political correspondent, Jeff Chambers. Jeff, do you
Speaker 2: think voters are looking at this broken promise and just thinking.
Speaker 3: This is this is typical?
Speaker 2: They know the Prime minister promise that that energy would
Speaker 2: be turned in seventy five dollars cheap, and now he
Speaker 2: can't even stand by the modeling behind.
Speaker 8: That, Hi, Charry, I think what's even more concerning obviously
Speaker 8: that the price reduction of two hundred and seventy five
Speaker 8: dollars by mid twenty twenty five this year was repeated
Speaker 8: at nauseum by labor ministers and the Prime Minister. But
Speaker 8: there was another additional one hundred and ford dollars that
Speaker 8: was apparently supposed to be saved between twenty twenty five
Speaker 8: and twenty thirty. And when my colleague Greg Brown put
Speaker 8: that to the Prime Minister yesterday, he just blamed it
Speaker 8: all on reputects the people that did the modeling. And
Speaker 8: I was there in December twenty twenty one when Anthony
Speaker 8: Albernezi and Chris Bowen released that modeling and they declared
Speaker 8: it and we had that in the piece today and
Speaker 8: We had a video in there that it was the
Speaker 8: greatest modeling that any opposition had ever done since federation.
Speaker 8: So they picked that modeling up and ran with it
Speaker 8: very hard. But the other element to it, Charry, is
Speaker 8: that it underpins literally all of Labour's energy and climate
Speaker 8: change agenda, so forty three percent admissions reduction, the big
Speaker 8: one which is eighty two percent renewables penetration, which Chris
Speaker 8: Bowen is still not walking away from these targets.
Speaker 13: They're not on track.
Speaker 8: For those and it might be convenient to walk away
Speaker 8: from such modeling and to criticize the Coalition for not
Speaker 8: having their own numbers. But I think a bit of
Speaker 8: pressure should be applied as to what Labour's now going
Speaker 8: to do.
Speaker 2: Jav, I want to ask you to read on the
Speaker 2: latest news poll today did have alban Ezi slightly ahead,
Speaker 2: but he shouldn't be doing victory lapse just yet.
Speaker 8: No, the poles are really close, and I've said this
Speaker 8: before on your show.
Speaker 13: They're going to move either way for either leader. Now,
Speaker 13: obviously there is a bit of pressure.
Speaker 8: On Peter Dutton to really put his head down, and
Speaker 8: I know some in his own ranks have sort of
Speaker 8: looked at his petrol policy from last week to half
Speaker 8: fuel excise and thinking, well, it's all good to head
Speaker 8: to the factories and the big industry visits.
Speaker 13: They're all very.
Speaker 8: Important, but you know, maybe you sort of double down
Speaker 8: on what you're trying to sell. So you know, there
Speaker 8: is a bit of consternation in Coalition ranks, but for
Speaker 8: Labor they shouldn't get too confident. They're clearly very confident
Speaker 8: either way. They've got a very slim margin in terms
Speaker 8: of their current majority, and I think even people in
Speaker 8: Labor realize that they're going to lose seats and it
Speaker 8: just comes down to how many they lose and how
Speaker 8: many the coalition can pick up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always a question of mathematics. And look, the
Speaker 2: coalition's targeting around twenty seats and the outer suburban area.
Speaker 1: So that's their strategy.
Speaker 3: I mean, what strategy do.
Speaker 2: You think Labor has, apart from just winning the message
Speaker 2: of the day and trying to limit the swing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think as an incumbent, a first term incumbent
Speaker 8: after all ten years of Coalition rule, and then you
Speaker 8: have these global factors Donald Trump, and on Thursday he
Speaker 8: has Liberation Day and tomorrow there's a.
Speaker 13: Reserve Bank meeting.
Speaker 8: I think they've picked this date because you've got two
Speaker 8: got two weeks of school holidays, two to three weeks
Speaker 8: of school holidays Easter and Anzac Day, and.
Speaker 13: Then you've got two weeks of pre pole at the end.
Speaker 8: So they've tried to really narrow this contest and put
Speaker 8: the pressure on Peter Dutton to really roll out his
Speaker 8: policies at a really tight three week window.
Speaker 2: No true, in the school holidays, I mean people go away,
Speaker 2: they tune out from the daily news agenda, So you know,
Speaker 2: I guess that'll be like the period when Albo had
Speaker 2: COVID and we didn't see him for a week, much
Speaker 2: like Joe Biden when he went into the bunker a
Speaker 2: couple of elections ago. All right, Jeff Chambers, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for your time, So much more to come
Speaker 2: on the show tonight. Alban Easy fails to commit to
Speaker 2: even one recommendation from our Sky News antisemitism sum At
Speaker 2: Alex Rifchino join me later on. Plus, who will Independent
Speaker 2: dially back in a hung parliament, I'll ask her after this.
Speaker 3: Quick break welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, we saw that Independent MP Rebecca Sharky came out
Speaker 2: today publicly and said that she would support Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: if there's a hung parliament.
Speaker 3: In my view, the Teals need to.
Speaker 2: Be transparent as they claim to be and firs up
Speaker 2: publicly tell voters who they plan to support if there's
Speaker 2: a hung parliament. Well, let's ask one true independent, the
Speaker 2: independent MP for Fowler Dially Dian. Great to see you again,
Speaker 2: so let's get right into it. Who would you support
Speaker 2: in the event of a hung parliament.
Speaker 17: First of all, I don't want to be presumptuous. I
Speaker 17: mean I have to win the election first, and if
Speaker 17: I am privileged enough to win the election, of course
Speaker 17: I'll sit down and negotiate with whoever got the most
Speaker 17: when they you know, at the election, we don't know
Speaker 17: which of the parties will have, you know, the numbers
Speaker 17: of more MPs. That's yet to be you know, the
Speaker 17: results still to come out on election day.
Speaker 2: But that's how you decided whoever has won the most
Speaker 2: seats if there is a hung parliament, whoever's won the
Speaker 2: most seats, that's.
Speaker 3: Who you would sit down to negotiate with.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right. So we have to wait to see
Speaker 11: the results.
Speaker 17: Don't know who's going to win in terms of most numbers,
Speaker 17: not win, but you have the numbers, then we sit down,
Speaker 17: negotiate with whichever leader and hopefully it will be you know,
Speaker 17: for the benefit of the community in Fouler.
Speaker 2: Voters do deserve to know the answer to this question,
Speaker 2: don't they, from all independents, who they would support if
Speaker 2: there is a hung parliament or a close outcome.
Speaker 17: Yeah, look, I understand that's what the voters would like,
Speaker 17: but it's really hard to gauge into, hard to predict,
Speaker 17: hard to see that crystal ball in terms of who
Speaker 17: will have the most seats at the election. And as
Speaker 17: we all know, this election is going to be quite interesting.
Speaker 17: It's going to be very complicated, and which is I
Speaker 17: think it's a good good. It doesn't look like anyone
Speaker 17: will have the majority, which sounds like that's the case,
Speaker 17: but that.
Speaker 11: Means that whoever have the most numbers of seats will know.
Speaker 17: That they have to focus on the issue at hand,
Speaker 17: which is the cost of living issue. And that's what
Speaker 17: I'm going to be driving for. And like I said, look,
Speaker 17: I don't want to be presumptuous, Shari. It's really it
Speaker 17: is my first term to get re elected and I
Speaker 17: need to focus on my community in making sure that
Speaker 17: I win this election.
Speaker 11: I don't take anything for granted.
Speaker 2: And of course Fouler the seat arena only has a
Speaker 2: one point four percent margin, so we'll be a battle
Speaker 2: to hold on to it. You've said the policies on
Speaker 2: cost of living could.
Speaker 3: Sway your decision.
Speaker 2: So how do you compare Labour's tax cuts that come
Speaker 2: in next July with the Coalition's petrol price reduction.
Speaker 17: Well, I actually when I first got elected in May
Speaker 17: twenty two, that first twelve months, my questions to the
Speaker 17: government and to the Prime Minister Albanzi and his Treasurer
Speaker 17: was around bringing back reintroducing the fuel excise tax cut,
Speaker 17: which I know that under the Coalition they introduced it
Speaker 17: during the COVID era, which really was.
Speaker 11: Very helpful for those that were driving.
Speaker 17: And I kept on calling for that fuel excise tax
Speaker 17: cut that would alleviate a lot of the costs for families,
Speaker 17: especially in Fouler and Southwest Sydney, because a lot of
Speaker 17: our community here.
Speaker 11: They drive petrol field cars.
Speaker 17: Many of our famili's owned an average three to four
Speaker 17: cars to drive, you know, kids, grandparents, parents drive themselves
Speaker 17: to work, and so think that's a very common sense approach,
Speaker 17: and also it will help pensioners who will not benefit
Speaker 17: from a tax cut, or who are not working will
Speaker 17: not benefit from a tax cut. Students who don't have
Speaker 17: that income thresholder will benefit from a tax cut, So
Speaker 17: there are more people that will actually have the benefit
Speaker 17: of the few excise tax cut that was announced by
Speaker 17: the opposition leader as opposed to a one percent tax
Speaker 17: cut by the government which won't come.
Speaker 11: Into effect as you mentioned to after July. You know,
Speaker 11: I think fifteen months time.
Speaker 2: All right, but Dalley, I really appreciate your time in
Speaker 2: the show and appreciate you being upfront and actually willing
Speaker 2: to have this conversation with voters.
Speaker 3: So thank you very much for that.
Speaker 2: All right, Still to come, Alban Easy fails to commit
Speaker 2: to a single recommendation from our Sky News Anti Semitism summit.
Speaker 2: This is the Greens blame Israel for her muss executing
Speaker 2: Palestinian protesters.
Speaker 3: I'll speak about all of that with Alex rif chin Lay.
Speaker 2: Plus Cameron Milner's prediction that Alban Easy might well be
Speaker 2: suffering from a case of premature election.
Speaker 1: You'll joined me after the break.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, it's the start of a five week election campaign.
Speaker 2: The parties are basically neck and neck. This election could
Speaker 2: go either way or to discuss a regular Monday political panel,
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison's former media advisor Andrew Carswell and Bill Shotton's
Speaker 2: former chief of staff Cameron Milner and Cameron, I have
Speaker 2: to say I know you and no the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: basically more than anybody else in your column tonight in
Speaker 2: the night they will be no different because you say
Speaker 2: he's celebrating from a premature election.
Speaker 3: He is on a high.
Speaker 1: He does think he's going to win.
Speaker 2: His overconfident, isn't he He is.
Speaker 12: He's effervescent at the moment.
Speaker 18: But it's only going to be one way traffic from
Speaker 18: here and that's what Labour strategies are really worried. He
Speaker 18: has definitely peaked too early three days into thirty three
Speaker 18: day campaign and that's going to be a problem for
Speaker 18: him to sustain it from here. So that's a real
Speaker 18: problem for Labor. But these poles also show, despite the
Speaker 18: headlines that it's still a hung parliament, that Labour's best
Speaker 18: option is to be one seat short Shari, and that's
Speaker 18: still not good enough in this election campaign.
Speaker 2: The polls do show that there has been this slight
Speaker 2: however slight it is two percent or so recovery for
Speaker 2: labor Andrew inside the coalition, how worried is everyone by
Speaker 2: this shift back to Albanezi in the polls.
Speaker 19: I don't think there's any concern Shari. I think was
Speaker 19: what happened at the weekend was entirely expected. The coalition
Speaker 19: have had a pretty rough couple of weeks. So they
Speaker 19: had a very good week last week in getting their
Speaker 19: messaging right in and around the budget and the budget reply.
Speaker 19: But before that you had a period of two or
Speaker 19: three weeks where they were off message. There was z ill discipline,
Speaker 19: they made stumbles, they threw some balloons up in there
Speaker 19: to try and get an interest. It was a messy
Speaker 19: kind of couple of weeks. So they were expect in
Speaker 19: this little blowback. But they're coming up at pretty high
Speaker 19: I mean, it was only four five weeks ago that
Speaker 19: we were thinking, hang on, they're getting pretty close here,
Speaker 19: and they still are close enough, if good enough, and
Speaker 19: they should take confidence in the fact that there is
Speaker 19: a massive, massive number of soft voters out there. It's
Speaker 19: in the order of forty percent. They're going to leave it.
Speaker 19: We're not going to go. It's the biggest I've ever
Speaker 19: seen it.
Speaker 1: And as I said, they're going to leave it late.
Speaker 19: They're not going to go early like the decideds will.
Speaker 19: They will leave into the last week and go bang
Speaker 19: bang bang in that last week. So it's all to
Speaker 19: play for.
Speaker 2: I find it so hard to understand that there could
Speaker 2: be soft voters because you've got these two completely different
Speaker 2: political leaders with different policies that you could argue that
Speaker 2: never has there been such a policy contrast going into
Speaker 2: an election. You think back to two thousand and seven
Speaker 2: and the policies between John Howard and Kevin rud were
Speaker 2: so similar apart from some of the values.
Speaker 1: Cameron, what do you think?
Speaker 18: Well, I agree with Andrew and I was only speaking
Speaker 18: to Tony Barry at Redbridge tonight. I mean their latest
Speaker 18: poll on Friday had forty five percent soft vote. This
Speaker 18: is unheard of, unheard of, and I put it down
Speaker 18: to kind of the lyrics of Pearl jabs better man.
Speaker 18: This is about a girl who wants to leave her
Speaker 18: bloke but can't find a better man. That's the dilemma
Speaker 18: that voters have got right now. They know how bad
Speaker 18: Elbow is, they know what they're lived experience with elbows
Speaker 18: like but they're not yet convinced that Dutton's the better man,
Speaker 18: and that's the dilemma for voters. I think once soft
Speaker 18: voters lock on to this election, once they focus on
Speaker 18: the policies and the Coulton is going to get some
Speaker 18: policies out there to be fair, then I think it
Speaker 18: could be an avalanche of votes for the Coalition because
Speaker 18: there's there's so many undecided voters out there.
Speaker 12: Shari.
Speaker 2: I think the thing that I have noticed over the
Speaker 2: past few days, Andrew, is that the Prime Minister, as
Speaker 2: frustrating as he is, he has the lines ready to go,
Speaker 2: you know, the lines about Peter Diden wants to cut
Speaker 2: everything except your taxes. He's got these very clear messages,
Speaker 2: whereas I've noticed that the Coalition does and have those
Speaker 2: same slogans which we know work, we know stop the
Speaker 2: boat's work.
Speaker 3: For example.
Speaker 2: Do you think the retail messaging needs to be sharper
Speaker 2: from the coalition?
Speaker 3: It does, Sharon.
Speaker 19: I think it will get there. I mean, this is
Speaker 19: the first time Peter Darton has faced an election, has
Speaker 19: faced the rigors of an election campaign which are extreme,
Speaker 19: so getting and staying on message, he'll get better and
Speaker 19: better as the campaign goes along, and that needs to occur,
Speaker 19: and there's there's still some loose moments of the creeping
Speaker 19: and that's to be expected. I mean, you can't look
Speaker 19: down on him too much for making little missteps here
Speaker 19: and there. They'll be hind out and when it really matters,
Speaker 19: at the end of the campaign, he'll be fit and
Speaker 19: ready to go. But you're right, and how been easy?
Speaker 19: I mean he is sharper I think at the moment.
Speaker 19: And he said he's had the benefit of having a
Speaker 19: campaign behind him to really work out what works and
Speaker 19: what doesn't work, and so far he's doing an okay job.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting, it's not it for it.
Speaker 18: I was just going to say, it's not about election.
Speaker 18: It's not about getting being right by election day. Andrew
Speaker 18: pre Pole starts two and a half weeks before that,
Speaker 18: so it's only three weeks until people start voting. I
Speaker 18: mean May three is when voting stops. So the colation
Speaker 18: is going to get their act together.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 19: No, it's been a lot of decideds vote though in
Speaker 19: pre Pole, where whereas the software usually leaves it until
Speaker 19: the last week or so.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it's really interesting now we saw because often in
Speaker 2: an election campaign, you know, a conversation that one of
Speaker 2: the leaders will have on an FM radio station in
Speaker 2: the morning will then be the main story for the day.
Speaker 2: We saw that today when Peter Dutton was asked whether
Speaker 2: he wanted to live in Canberra or Sydney and he
Speaker 2: kind of gave an answer about not staying in the
Speaker 2: camera bubble and instead living at Kuribilly House, and then
Speaker 2: Albanizey came in and criticized him for this, saying he
Speaker 2: was already measuring the curtains, you know, overly confident Andrew.
Speaker 2: You know, how do you think voters react to this
Speaker 2: sort of quabble from the leaders.
Speaker 19: I think it looks poorly on Alberanezi more than anything,
Speaker 19: and it says a lot about him as a person
Speaker 19: as well, Like he was very keen to say that, oh,
Speaker 19: I stay in Canberra and I need to be close
Speaker 19: to the cabinet suite. I need to be close to
Speaker 19: the National Security suite. And that just shows that he's
Speaker 19: craving this power. He loves his power, he loves being
Speaker 19: there over his dominion. But the thing he didn't kind
Speaker 19: of communicate is that there is a cabinet suite in Sydney.
Speaker 19: You can do those meetings in Sydney. There's a National
Speaker 19: Security suite in Sydney, so there's no real difference in
Speaker 19: terms in terms of location. I think it was just
Speaker 19: a cheap shot.
Speaker 2: We saw that Albanezi was in Perth today. He said
Speaker 2: it was his thirtieth trip as Prime Minister, which is
Speaker 2: about ten visits to West Australia every year, so it's
Speaker 2: not even one a month, so it actually sounds more
Speaker 2: than it is. But he pledged two hundred million dollar
Speaker 2: upgrade for a Perth hospital. Cameron, this shows how critical
Speaker 2: WA is to this contest.
Speaker 1: How do you think it's playing out at the moment.
Speaker 18: Well, I think we've talked about this, and Andrew Carsle
Speaker 18: I think wrote about this. I mean there's three seats
Speaker 18: in the West that would have been lost even with
Speaker 18: the landslide state voting vote that Labor received at the
Speaker 18: last day election only a few weeks ago. So the
Speaker 18: West is critical. Quest is crucial for Labor to hold
Speaker 18: and at the moment it looks like two to three
Speaker 18: seats are potentially in the lost pile with no gains,
Speaker 18: so he really has to do what he can in
Speaker 18: West Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, it is indeed just very quickly because
Speaker 2: we've got to get to a break. But Andrew, how
Speaker 2: many seats do you think the coalition will pick up
Speaker 2: in w A.
Speaker 19: I think the coalition pick up two seats, but none
Speaker 19: of them from Labor. I think they pick up Curtain,
Speaker 19: which is a til seat, and I think they pick
Speaker 19: up Bullwinkle as the new seat. It's a real battle
Speaker 19: contest to see whether that fifty to fifty kind of
Speaker 19: contest in teeny goes either way.
Speaker 12: It's pretty tight.
Speaker 2: And now but Easy was of course speaking about his
Speaker 2: you know, he felt he was confident in Bullwinkle Today
Speaker 2: see Andrew Kazwa, Karra Milner and Cameron love your article
Speaker 2: tonight and even love even more the fact that you
Speaker 2: are getting on Albanezy's nerves so much.
Speaker 1: The only Labour figure to speak out.
Speaker 3: Thank you both for your time.
Speaker 2: Now after the break, why Albaneze should hang his head
Speaker 2: in shame? He hasn't agreed to a single outcome from
Speaker 2: our Sky News antisemitism summit, plus Hamas's reprehensible revenge at
Speaker 2: least six executed after protests against them in Gaza yet
Speaker 2: Adam Bant finds a way to blame Israel. I'll talk
Speaker 2: about this with Alex Ripchin next. Welcome back. Now, you
Speaker 2: recall that the whole purpose of our Sky News Andti
Speaker 2: Semitism Summit was to bring together the brightest minds in
Speaker 2: the nation across all fields to come up with tangible
Speaker 2: solutions that would actually address anti Semitism. There were fifteen
Speaker 2: recommendations at the end of the day, and they included
Speaker 2: putting anti Semitism education in the national curriculum, putting Holocaust
Speaker 2: education back in the national school curriculum, more public awareness.
Speaker 3: And advertising campaigns.
Speaker 2: A judicial inquiry into anti Semitism at universities. There were
Speaker 2: many others, including changes to the Migration Act, others that
Speaker 2: affected national security, not allowing anti Semites into the country. Now,
Speaker 2: Alex Rifchin wrote to both Peter Dutton and Anthony Albanezi
Speaker 2: asking them if they'd endorse these uncontroversial, quite sensible and
Speaker 2: rational outcomes from the summit. Peter Dutton responded saying he
Speaker 2: would endorse every single one that fell under the federal
Speaker 2: government remit. But today Alex Riftin received a letter from
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, a three page letter where he failed
Speaker 2: to endorse a single outcome, and let's bring it now
Speaker 2: to discuss Executive Council of Australian Jury's co CEO, Alex Rifchin.
Speaker 1: Alex, what is your response when you receive this letter?
Speaker 16: I was thoroughly disappointed, Shari. As you said, it was
Speaker 16: a very long and comprehensive response from the Prime Minister
Speaker 16: which he very passionately and I believe very sincerely condemned
Speaker 16: anti Semitism as an evil and as something on Australian
Speaker 16: and listed the government's measures to date in combating antisemitism.
Speaker 16: But as you point out, when we hosted this summit,
Speaker 16: it was with a very clear intention of purpose, and
Speaker 16: it was to move the conversation beyond platitudes and easy
Speaker 16: self evident condemnations and to talk about the solutions, to
Speaker 16: come to grips with what's happening in our streets and
Speaker 16: in our country. To talk about things like the need
Speaker 16: for judicial inquiring to campus antisemitism, to talk about the
Speaker 16: Migration Act, to talk about the ideological rigidity that occurs
Speaker 16: in cultural institutions which contributes to anti semitism. All of
Speaker 16: these things schools, public campaigns, and the fact that the
Speaker 16: Primeister said so much in that letter that totally ignored
Speaker 16: what we actually asked of him, which was to consider
Speaker 16: the action plan, what aspects of the government would endorse
Speaker 16: and what aspects had a problem with. I don't open
Speaker 16: up that conversation, but instead it was all missed in time,
Speaker 16: and I think it's a missed opportunity. It's totally disappointing.
Speaker 16: There was a chance to achieve genuine bipartisanship and political
Speaker 16: consensus around anti Semitism, and I think the Primister's missed
Speaker 16: that opportunity.
Speaker 2: And you know, your use of the word bipartisan is
Speaker 2: a good one, because our summit was bipartisan. We invited
Speaker 2: both sides of politics, gave both sides an equal voice,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And I just think back to that mother.
Speaker 3: Who was on Q and A.
Speaker 1: Asked Albanezier question.
Speaker 2: About anti sevmentism on Q and A a few weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and he said in response, we've done everything the Jewish
Speaker 2: community has asked of us.
Speaker 3: Well, here you had.
Speaker 2: The Jewish community sending a letter say these are fifteen
Speaker 2: things that would actually make a difference, and he just
Speaker 2: won't even consider them.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned platitudes.
Speaker 2: In my view, that letter was purely platitudes, so disappointing, Alex.
Speaker 3: But you know we won't stop.
Speaker 2: Neither you or I will not stop campaigning on this absolutely. Now,
Speaker 2: I just want to talk about the brave Palestinian protesters
Speaker 2: who've come out against Hamas. Now we've seen them protest
Speaker 2: on the streets.
Speaker 1: Have a quick look.
Speaker 2: Now in response, Hermas has executed six Palestinians. They've also
Speaker 2: been public beatings, and among those murdered was a twenty.
Speaker 1: Two year old o I al Rubai.
Speaker 2: He was beaten and tortured, only to be later dumped
Speaker 2: on his family's doorstep.
Speaker 3: Alex, this is grotesque.
Speaker 16: No question about it, Charry. And what's happening on the
Speaker 16: streets of Gaza, it poses a real dilemma for the
Speaker 16: Proplsian movement, which you and I know is really aciously
Speaker 16: anti Israel and pro Hamas movement for the most part,
Speaker 16: because what's happening in Gaza shows that Hamas is overwhelmingly
Speaker 16: responsible for the part of the Palestini people, which goes
Speaker 16: against the propaganda of the Palestinian movement that Israel is
Speaker 16: the root of all evil in the Middle East and
Speaker 16: all suffering for the Palestinians and indeed the world often
Speaker 16: speak about how the removal of Israel will be a
Speaker 16: great step forward for world peace. The other problem posed
Speaker 16: by these protests is that it's very clear that the
Speaker 16: sort of freedoms that Palestins are now enjoying to be
Speaker 16: able to march and voice their opinions and express themselves
Speaker 16: as they wish, the sort of freedom that israelis cherished
Speaker 16: and enjoy every single day, are being granted to them
Speaker 16: by virtue of Israeli military power. It is the near
Speaker 16: destruction of Hamas that has allowed these freedoms which the
Speaker 16: leaders of the Palestine people would never entrust to their
Speaker 16: own people. But Adam Bant and those who reflexibly condemn
Speaker 16: all of this, they are so wedded to that ideological
Speaker 16: position of Israel being uniformly and unequivocally and unavoidably evil,
Speaker 16: but they can't look at the facts. Mcgrod and I
Speaker 16: can't express a scheric of solidarity with these braces who
Speaker 16: are being brutalized by Hammon.
Speaker 2: We're out of time, Alex, thank you very much, and
Speaker 2: here I can't wait for this. Paul Murray with the
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton pod test