Speaker 1: This is the Media Show with Jack outing, Hello and
Speaker 1: welcome to the Media Show.
Speaker 2: Tonight.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a look at the biggest stories
Speaker 1: in the media, starting with Peter Dudden's rough ins with
Speaker 1: enthusiastic ABC reporters, which continues, but the Union is furious.
Speaker 1: Media Union calls Peter Dudden's response to two ABC reporters
Speaker 1: unnecessarily aggressive. Now, this attack by the union, which at
Speaker 1: this point is basically just a propaganda unit barracking for
Speaker 1: one side of politics, came after this heated press conference.
Speaker 3: A vast majority of the public in colleague.
Speaker 2: Support Well, how do you know that they don't. Well,
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 4: Spoken to a number of them. I haven't seen you
Speaker 4: spoken to a single member of the public, not just
Speaker 4: the shame.
Speaker 5: Oh look, I understand the position of the ABC. The
Speaker 5: ABC has an ideological position against that's an issue for you.
Speaker 5: I don't really care. I'm not interested in the politics
Speaker 5: at the ABC. You could all be advocates and play
Speaker 5: your games.
Speaker 1: The reporter in that clip wasn't asking questions, she was
Speaker 1: asserting facts. She was asserting that the community did not
Speaker 1: want Dutton's nuclear policy. Rightfully, he snapped back, pointing out
Speaker 1: that she did not even go to the community meeting.
Speaker 1: And yes it was tense, it was provocative, but a
Speaker 1: lot of Australians are sick to death of the clear
Speaker 1: and obvious political campaigning by activist journalists on the taxpayer
Speaker 1: dime like this moment just weeks before the first clip.
Speaker 6: Determined Captain Ristaship even though men, where are you from?
Speaker 6: I'm sorry which organization ABC? I had presumed up until
Speaker 6: this point at least that the ABC supported the government's laws,
Speaker 6: and the government has passed laws supported on a bipartisan.
Speaker 5: Basis, but not by the ABC.
Speaker 2: It seems in.
Speaker 5: Relation to the prescribing or the listing of a terrorist organization.
Speaker 1: For those Aussies irked by the ABC's lack of professionalism,
Speaker 1: we love these moments because Dutton has courage to call
Speaker 1: it what it is, taxpayer funded politicking. And while the
Speaker 1: media union is having a cry about this exchange, the
Speaker 1: reporter was lapping it up. Bridget MacArthur, who has she
Speaker 1: her pronouns in her Twitter page, proudly tweeted the exchange out,
Speaker 1: saying it was her first tango with Dutton, the implication
Speaker 1: being clear, I've been looking forward to having a tango
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got one. I have now become the
Speaker 1: story and there will be plenty of profile boosting tangos
Speaker 1: to come.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Joining me on the show this week is The Australians
Speaker 1: Darren Davidson and Radio two Double c's Stephen Seneateempo. Well, Darren,
Speaker 1: let's start with you. Peter Dudden. He has this combative
Speaker 1: way that he has decided to deal with questions that
Speaker 1: he thinks are maybe straying from the more professionalism side.
Speaker 1: And the interesting thing here that's happened this week is
Speaker 1: the media Union. I really trying to take him to task.
Speaker 1: I guess the one point that I didn't make in
Speaker 1: the editorial is labor politicians can be quite combative as well.
Speaker 1: And you know the Attorney General, Mark Dreyfuss, he had
Speaker 1: quite a fiery moment with one of our reporters, Olivia Caseley.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you recall that, but it was
Speaker 1: quite provocative. My point being, we don't seem to get
Speaker 1: this outrage and this oh this poor journalist kind of
Speaker 1: got scolded as if they're not tough enough to scrutinize it.
Speaker 1: We don't get that when the shoe's on the other.
Speaker 7: Foot, absolutely, I mean complete silence from the union, the
Speaker 7: Journalist Union, the MUAA when our journalists, Liam Mendez was
Speaker 7: bundled over exactly Peter Costello, the former chairman of Channel nine,
Speaker 7: for asking some very reasonable questions about the culture at
Speaker 7: Channel nine, And we've had that report emerged in recent
Speaker 7: weeks which completely validates Liam's line of questioning there. So
Speaker 7: it does feel like the Union has taken a almost
Speaker 7: like a political position on this one. And you know,
Speaker 7: absolutely fine for journalists to ask robust questions as long
Speaker 7: as they're informed and they're relevant. But you know, I
Speaker 7: don't think we are seen them applying the same kind
Speaker 7: of rigor or the same kind of line of questioning
Speaker 7: when they're actually interviewing the government of the day as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess the main point is, Steven, that
Speaker 1: if you're going to throw a punch, prepare for someone
Speaker 1: to maybe throw one back. And I guess you know,
Speaker 1: when your conducts radio interviews and you decide to go somebody,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you're prepared. You've got thick skin in these situations.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 8: In some of the exchanges I've had with local politicians
Speaker 8: here in the Act, you have been somewhat legendary. But look,
Speaker 8: I would say that Dutton's being combative but not aggressive.
Speaker 8: But look, it's always almost thatturesque, isn't he when you
Speaker 8: think about it. But look, the thing that really annoys
Speaker 8: me here, well, there's two things. The E and me
Speaker 8: douba stands for entertainment, right, it's entertaining where these exchanges happen.
Speaker 8: But secondly, if the me douba was fed income about
Speaker 8: the quality of journalism, they'd be pulling their journalists their
Speaker 8: members in the line and saying, you know what, maybe
Speaker 8: you guys need to be better. This is the reason
Speaker 8: people don't trust our profession anymore, because this is the
Speaker 8: rubbish you carry on with. If you want to be
Speaker 8: a commentator, be a commentator. If you're going to pretend
Speaker 8: to be a journalist, then be a journalist and don't
Speaker 8: tweet and say I'm now the story like that was
Speaker 8: your aim in the first place. I mean, you should
Speaker 8: never be the story yourself.
Speaker 2: It's a really good point.
Speaker 1: I mean, it wracked up thousands and thousands of views
Speaker 1: and retweets, and the reporter clearly wasn't bothered, which makes
Speaker 1: me wonder why they actually made such a big point
Speaker 1: of it. But let's move on now to the Queensland election.
Speaker 1: Just one day out and the polls are tightening. The race,
Speaker 1: which was once built as a runaway, will actually be
Speaker 1: much closer, according to The Australian, which reports David Chris
Speaker 1: a fully Squander's lead but Queensland LMP on track for
Speaker 1: ninthe edge win. The paper reported the race could be
Speaker 1: so close that Premier hopeful David chrisafully could be forced
Speaker 1: into a minority government. So how did we get here? Well,
Speaker 1: Labour ran a very strong campaign, but it did use
Speaker 1: one hell of a lie to scare every single moderate
Speaker 1: Queenslander that the LMP would attack abortion rights.
Speaker 9: You certainly can't trust him on health cuts or on abortion.
Speaker 9: Voted against decriminalizing abortion. He didn't make a speech, so
Speaker 9: we'd have no idea why he did that or what
Speaker 9: his beliefs are. What does he believe in his heart,
Speaker 9: whether that's on nuclear or on women's access to abortion.
Speaker 9: I'm really worried about this. I'm really worried that Queenslanders
Speaker 9: could vote on election day believing David Christophole's promise that
Speaker 9: nothing will change when it comes to women's reproductive rights.
Speaker 9: When I know he's lying.
Speaker 2: You know he's lying. Now.
Speaker 1: That was all a lie. It was pure labor misinformation.
Speaker 1: The LNP never had an anti abortion policy that they
Speaker 1: were bringing to the table, and they repeatedly promised not
Speaker 1: to make any changes if they won. This was an
Speaker 1: attack point that Labor tried to bring in from America
Speaker 1: and it was incredibly impactful and incredibly damaging to the LMP.
Speaker 1: Regular people who don't have time to read every bit
Speaker 1: of media will have seen the headlines peppered through the
Speaker 1: press casting fear and doubt about abortion policies, and Chris
Speaker 1: of Fooley only has himself to blame. While it was
Speaker 1: never his policy, when he was asked about it repeatedly,
Speaker 1: he seemed uncomfortable. Miles also effectively cornered him and said,
Speaker 1: policy aside, what do you personally think about this issue?
Speaker 4: Will be no changes to abortion law and I want
Speaker 4: Queenslanders to hear that directly from me.
Speaker 9: Can anyone tell from David's answer just then what he
Speaker 9: thinks about this issue? I mean, this is this is
Speaker 9: a really important issue.
Speaker 2: I think it shouldn't change.
Speaker 4: Everyone knows I think it shouldn't change.
Speaker 2: The laws will remain the same.
Speaker 9: Will you have a conscience spoken?
Speaker 4: The laws will remain this view, There will do you
Speaker 4: no change. So the scare campaign will continue, but you.
Speaker 9: Need to well, let me answer the question.
Speaker 4: The scare campaign will continue, but it's not happening.
Speaker 9: Give a straight answer.
Speaker 4: Okay, there will be no change, none at all.
Speaker 2: Are your pro choice or not?
Speaker 4: There will be no change. The legislation is there and
Speaker 4: women will have access to that legislation that gives women the.
Speaker 2: Right to choose. Chris A.
Speaker 1: Foley could have shut down this line of questioning much
Speaker 1: earlier in the campaign, but now this one mistake could
Speaker 1: end up costing him big Well, Darren, it's the classic
Speaker 1: case of your policy may not be here, but I
Speaker 1: think that you disagree with your policy. The only way
Speaker 1: to deal with that, surely, if you're getting it at
Speaker 1: press conferences from every second journalo that's falling for this,
Speaker 1: By the way, a lot of journalists fell for this,
Speaker 1: you have to say, well, I personally agree with my policy,
Speaker 1: otherwise it wouldn't be my policy.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think the fact that Labor's made up lost
Speaker 7: ground late in the race, it's just a testament of
Speaker 7: fact that the opposition leader's campaign has been really, really,
Speaker 7: really poor, and it's a distraction from the real issues
Speaker 7: that are actually concerning voters that polls have shown time
Speaker 7: and time again. It's cost living, it's crime, and we're
Speaker 7: also not talking about some of the real big problems
Speaker 7: in the state, which is the balloony state debt that
Speaker 7: Queensland has and this out of control expenditure on public
Speaker 7: sector workers as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Stephen that the main point is that Darren
Speaker 1: hinted at it as well. There are other big issues
Speaker 1: and the disappointing thing about this and the fact that
Speaker 1: there is this weak campaign is you've got a Labor
Speaker 1: government that is on the precipice of at least preventing
Speaker 1: their fourth term from being completely shattered. We're talking now
Speaker 1: about maybe a minority government. In my opinion, I don't
Speaker 1: think governments really should be given a fourth term, and
Speaker 1: it was the LMP's race to win, and it was
Speaker 1: also their race to lose.
Speaker 2: What do you make of the campaign.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, when you talk you shouldn't get a
Speaker 8: fourth term here in the act, maybe just got a
Speaker 8: seventh term. But moving on from that, look, there's a
Speaker 8: couple of things here. Nobody runs a scare campaign like
Speaker 8: the Labor Party does when it comes to campaigning. They
Speaker 8: are disciplined, they are effective. They run these when did
Speaker 8: you stop beating your wife campaigns all the time. The
Speaker 8: Liberal Party always plays into their narrative. The only politician
Speaker 8: I've seen from the Conservative side of politics in recent
Speaker 8: times not to let this happen is Peter Dutton. But
Speaker 8: at a state and territory level they all let the
Speaker 8: Labor Party set their agenda for him. And let's be
Speaker 8: fear nikan. If you can't beat the work experienced kid
Speaker 8: in an election campaign, well David Christopheley deserves to lose
Speaker 8: this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's Miles.
Speaker 1: I mean some of his TikTok ads and find the
Speaker 1: bloke a bit much with the grinning in very serious moments.
Speaker 1: He's right, if he can't beat him, he doesn't deserve
Speaker 1: the job. But look, we're going to take a quick
Speaker 1: break when we're back inside the Karmala Harris CNN town hall.
Speaker 1: Welcome back now to the US election. It is anyone's game.
Speaker 1: But this week Karmala Harris stumbled. Her buddies at CNN
Speaker 1: took her to task at a town hall event, and
Speaker 1: she bumbled and blustered her way through the event with
Speaker 1: more gaffes and awkward moments than we have time to show.
Speaker 1: But of course we have to show you. Our favorite moment.
Speaker 10: Is a border wall.
Speaker 2: Stupid.
Speaker 11: Well, let's talk about Donald Trump and that border wall.
Speaker 11: So remember Donald Trump said Mexico would pay for it,
Speaker 11: Come on, they didn't. How much of that wall did
Speaker 11: he build? I think the last number I saw was
Speaker 11: about two percent. And then when it came time for
Speaker 11: him to do a photo op, you know where he
Speaker 11: did it in the part of the wall that President
Speaker 11: Obama built.
Speaker 10: But you were agreed to a bill that would ear
Speaker 10: MOREK six hundred and fifty million dollars to continue building that.
Speaker 11: Way, I pledge that I am going to bring forward
Speaker 11: that bipartisan bill to further strengthen and secure our border. Yes,
Speaker 11: I am, and I am going to work across the
Speaker 11: aisle to pass a comprehensive bill that deals with a
Speaker 11: broken immigration system. I think Jackson's question part of it
Speaker 11: was to acknowledge that America has always had migration, but
Speaker 11: there needs to be a legal process for it. People
Speaker 11: have to earn it, and that's the point that I
Speaker 11: think is the most important point that can be made,
Speaker 11: which is we need a president oh is grounded in
Speaker 11: common sense and practical outcomes, like let's just fix this thing.
Speaker 11: Let's just fix it. Why is there any ideological perspective
Speaker 11: on it. Let's just fix the problem.
Speaker 10: To fix the problem, you're doing this compromise bill. It
Speaker 10: does call for six hundred and fifty million dollars that
Speaker 10: was ear marked under Trump to actually still go to
Speaker 10: build the world.
Speaker 11: I'm not afraid of good ideas where they occurred.
Speaker 10: Say, you don't think it's stupid anymore.
Speaker 11: I think what he did and how he did it
Speaker 11: was did not make much sense because he actually didn't
Speaker 11: do much of anything. I just talked about that wall, right,
Speaker 11: we just talked about it. He didn't actually do much
Speaker 11: of anything.
Speaker 10: But you do want to build some wall.
Speaker 11: I want to strengthen our border.
Speaker 1: Well done to Anderson Cooper for pressing Harris. We love
Speaker 1: to see it. Let's bring the panel back in to
Speaker 1: I mean, Darren, that was some brilliant television. A few
Speaker 1: reasons why I think that is going to be really damaging. First,
Speaker 1: just on its surface, just logically. She starts off inferring
Speaker 1: that there is a stupidity around that policy. After a
Speaker 1: minute and thirty of talking to Anderson Cooper, she's saying,
Speaker 1: it's a great idea, we're actually doing it, and Donald
Speaker 1: Trump didn't do enough of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. I think the more
Speaker 7: votacy of her, the more her momentum in the poles
Speaker 7: seems to be slipping away. She refuses to identify how
Speaker 7: she would do things differently to the Biden administration, of
Speaker 7: which she was obviously a key member, and she refuses
Speaker 7: to ignoie your identify any problems. At the same time,
Speaker 7: and having watched that town hall this morning today, the
Speaker 7: viewers were all but begging her to come out and
Speaker 7: state positions and she was completely unable to do it.
Speaker 7: And her response is just absolutely baffling. And I think
Speaker 7: Trump just needs to stay the course and hope that
Speaker 7: she keeps doing these town halls. And I think the
Speaker 7: thing about the CNN town hall is, unlike the Fox
Speaker 7: News onners, which you know, you're kind of a lot
Speaker 7: of these viewers are web Trump, there's a lot of
Speaker 7: undecided voters watching that CNN debate who would have been
Speaker 7: very unimpressed by her performance.
Speaker 1: Yes, Stephen Darren makes such a good point CNN, there
Speaker 1: would be a lot of moderates there. More so probably
Speaker 1: that we're tuning into the Fox interview. That probably watched
Speaker 1: the Fox interview thinking well, that was always going to
Speaker 1: be compative. She's almost on home soil here. Really, she's
Speaker 1: playing a home game and she's getting smashed by her
Speaker 1: own side.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but Jack, I think that's the point, is that
Speaker 8: an American election is not necessarily a big and getting
Speaker 8: people from the other side to vote for you. It's
Speaker 8: getting your own people to turn out and vote. And
Speaker 8: that's where I think she's losing it here with CNN.
Speaker 8: But it also highlights how poor American politicians are at
Speaker 8: their handling of the media. I mean, here in Australia
Speaker 8: we have access to our politicians on most daily basis
Speaker 8: and they have to polish their skills because they're going
Speaker 8: head to head with us every day. In the US,
Speaker 8: they don't have that same access and they're not very
Speaker 8: good at it. But then you take on top of that,
Speaker 8: put layer over the top of that. Kamala Harrison, her
Speaker 8: word salad and her inability to articulate almost anything.
Speaker 2: Look, it's working against her.
Speaker 8: If I was I'd stop doing these town halls because
Speaker 8: there's not winning her any votes. But I mean, Nick,
Speaker 8: did anybody understand what she just said?
Speaker 2: Then? Yeah, it was contradictory.
Speaker 1: It said one thing, and then by the end of
Speaker 1: it she completely flipped. You're right, though, Stephen, because people
Speaker 1: are jd Vance. I mean, he's out press conferences getting
Speaker 1: smashed every day, and that toughens you, It hardens you,
Speaker 1: it makes sure better operator.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's just word salad city all the time
Speaker 7: with her, and it seems like the Democrats have decided
Speaker 7: the only play left for them is to demonize him.
Speaker 7: We've had these kind of weird Hitler comparisons this week.
Speaker 7: Didn't work in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that the most reprehensible thing you can do.
Speaker 1: I'm losing something to call my political opponent hit blah.
Speaker 1: It's just so reprehensible, Such grubby politics. Let's move on though,
Speaker 1: because King Charles Australian tour was soured this week with
Speaker 1: an aggressive stunt by dimwit who has no place in politics.
Speaker 3: Kind of sign against our people, Get up our landmaps,
Speaker 3: give us why your style.
Speaker 12: From us, our bones.
Speaker 3: Our scar, our baby, our people. You we want to
Speaker 3: training in this country, Give.
Speaker 1: Up and the media lapped it up. Thorpe made headlines
Speaker 1: around the world, including talking to broadcasters in the UK
Speaker 1: about the stunt at length, but not all spotlight is
Speaker 1: good and eventually the story got away from Thorpe when
Speaker 1: her office published a cartoon photo of a decapitated King
Speaker 1: Charles with the caption you are not our King, and
Speaker 1: the press kept eating it up. Nearly all British publications
Speaker 1: cover the story, including The Evening Standard, the BBC and
Speaker 1: The Sun, and the backlash was swift, with Thorpe eventually
Speaker 1: having to release media statements that it was not her fault,
Speaker 1: just actions of her staff. Well, we think that's an
Speaker 1: appalling and violent way to have the conversation and any
Speaker 1: political staff or involved should have been sacked immediately. But
Speaker 1: that wasn't the end of the story for Thorpe. She
Speaker 1: soon took to the ABC to gloat about not having
Speaker 1: sworn her oath of allegiance correctly.
Speaker 12: Nice were allegiance to the Queen's hairs. If you're listen
Speaker 12: close enough, it wasn't her airs. It was her hairs
Speaker 12: that I was giving my allegiance to. And now that
Speaker 12: they're no longer here, I don't know where that.
Speaker 1: Stands, but Thorpe was soon backpedaling. Calls were mounting for
Speaker 1: the senator who hadn't properly completed an oath to be
Speaker 1: booted from Parliament. Soon she was back on air, promising
Speaker 1: it was all a misunderstanding. That arrogant and gloating interview
Speaker 1: she gave to the ABC morphed into a sob story
Speaker 1: about her poor literacy skills.
Speaker 12: Now forgive me for not being you know, my English
Speaker 12: grammar isn't as good as others, and I spoke what
Speaker 12: I read, so I misspoke. And to have this country
Speaker 12: questioned or particularly you know, people like Dutton and other
Speaker 12: senators from his party, for them to question my legitimacy
Speaker 12: in this job is an insult and they can't get
Speaker 12: rid of me.
Speaker 1: Thorpe, who owned became a senator by leeching off the
Speaker 1: back of Green's votes before quitting the party, probably has
Speaker 1: realized her two hundred thousand dollars plus salary from the
Speaker 1: Crown isn't worth risking. I mean a lot to unpack
Speaker 1: there now, but essentially she managed to take the entire
Speaker 1: media cycle for nearly a full working week with just
Speaker 1: these bizarre acts.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's absurd.
Speaker 7: It's I look, whatever penalty the Senate hands down, hopefully
Speaker 7: it's severe, but you know, starves her of the oxygen
Speaker 7: that she cloaks so clearly and craves it was very
Speaker 7: ugly tantrum. And she's poor value for money. I think
Speaker 7: by the time her term is in twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 7: she would have been paid nearly a million dollars and
Speaker 7: a million a million. Yeah, So you know, if you
Speaker 7: look at the damage she's done over the past year
Speaker 7: taking up the Palestine fight against Israel, that's actually alienated
Speaker 7: a lot of Australian Jewish supporters of reconciliation. So she's
Speaker 7: doing a lot of harm at the moment and has
Speaker 7: been doing a lot of harm for some time. She's
Speaker 7: poor value for money.
Speaker 2: Good point, Steve, and your thoughts.
Speaker 8: Well, firstly, looking in to defend Lydia thought hear and say,
Speaker 8: at least she's more articulate than Kamala Harris and every
Speaker 8: court needs it's fool and the King's Court had that,
Speaker 8: and look, his Majesty was clearly entertained by it. He
Speaker 8: led over to Alba and said, do you know if
Speaker 8: she does bucks parties and weddings as well?
Speaker 2: Look.
Speaker 8: I mean, she argues that other people question her legitimacy.
Speaker 8: She questions her own legitimacy. She doesn't believe in the
Speaker 8: authority of the parliament, yet sits in the Parliament and
Speaker 8: takes our money under false pretenses. I mean, there's no
Speaker 8: legitimate to see the woman, and the less oxygen we
Speaker 8: give her the better. In three years, she'll be gone
Speaker 8: and we won't have to see her ever again.
Speaker 1: I agree with that fake outrage about how dare they
Speaker 1: question my legitimacy when she you know, it's not as
Speaker 1: if people just out of the blue accused her of
Speaker 1: not doing it. She told everyone, haha, I didn't do it. Absurd.
Speaker 1: Let's go to stories of the week, Darren, What do
Speaker 1: you have for US?
Speaker 7: Dodgers' World Series kicks off Friday in La the La
Speaker 7: Dodgers versus the New York Yankees, one of the big
Speaker 7: classic all time rivalries East coast, West coast, the two
Speaker 7: big NBA baseball markets ready looking forward to it. It's
Speaker 7: going to be a good one.
Speaker 2: That's great, Steven yours. Well.
Speaker 8: The one that's as fascinated me for a few weeks
Speaker 8: now is the Menendez brothers, who back in nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 8: brutally murdered their parents, and it now looks like their
Speaker 8: life sentences, well, they're not going to be commuted, but
Speaker 8: as of today, it looks like their sentences might change
Speaker 8: and they could be out of jail in weeks because
Speaker 8: it's now come to light that the abuse that they
Speaker 8: accused their parents of might have been real. I just
Speaker 8: find this absolutely fascinating and an interesting page in history,
Speaker 8: particularly from a legal perspective, and when you look at
Speaker 8: the context of it happened at the same time as
Speaker 8: the Rodney King assault, it happened, the OJ Simpson thing,
Speaker 8: happened at the same time. There was a lot going
Speaker 8: on in the United States at that time, and we're
Speaker 8: now getting a different resolution thirty odd years later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very incredible. We'll definitely keep a very close eye
Speaker 1: on it. Steven Darren, thank you so much. That's all
Speaker 1: the time we have fortnight, but we'll be back next
Speaker 1: Friday at the same time.