WEBVTT - REWIND: Noone's making fun music anymore!

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<v Speaker 1>Apote production.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your first gig? I'll never forget it. It was

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<v Speaker 2>my first interstate gig, was in Perth. I was nervous

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's a cracker and so first gig in

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<v Speaker 2>the state. It's at the Metro. It's full houses, a

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<v Speaker 2>few thousand people. I get there, I'm nervous as hell,

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<v Speaker 2>and I get on stage. I play my first song.

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<v Speaker 2>These pyrotechnics go off. The CD plays stop from the vibration,

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<v Speaker 2>so I get the old way anyway. My sphinx's pulsating

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<v Speaker 2>like this anyway, So I start the song again, sweating.

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<v Speaker 2>He lets off more bombs. The song stops again. So

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<v Speaker 2>the song stopped twice, you know. In the beginning, I'm going, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>someone bring me a razor and a needle.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all over, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So and I looked at the guy, I go, no

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<v Speaker 2>more bombs. Yeah, I'll never forget. There's just people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just so nervous, so nervous. I'll never forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever got that any mistakes while you've been playing?

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<v Speaker 2>More so now, like from the beginning to the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years, never made a mistake. Now I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>having such a good time and having fun, too much fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always have this reoccurring dream where I'll played

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<v Speaker 2>the same song and I'm doing it now and it's

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<v Speaker 2>the same song. It's nine pm till I come. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>play the song, I'll play something else. Someone will say

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<v Speaker 2>something to me, I've forgotten that I've still got that

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<v Speaker 2>song in there. I'll press it and I'll play it again,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll look at the crowd and they're oblivious. I go, wow, OK,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get away with this for about thirty seconds and yeah, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's happened a few times now, I must laugh it off.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty five, you start to just gets mixed.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>How did that feel when it became so popular? You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Did you think it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be that popular?

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 4>I just because to me, it's like, you know, Wild FM,

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<v Speaker 4>That's how I.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we used to when we had a meeting

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<v Speaker 2>about Wild effam, you know, and that station was huge

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<v Speaker 2>and they so we're going to release these Wild and MCDs.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought that was a great idea because back

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<v Speaker 2>then we used to have meetings. Not anymore. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and we released that compilation and obviously I had an

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<v Speaker 2>involvement with that and they were huge.

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<v Speaker 3>But with Skitz mixed.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I did one, two, three, I thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what if I get to ten, what's it up to? Now?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm working on sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was like sixty five.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm working on sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's taken.

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<v Speaker 2>It's taken a while. I used to do three a year,

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<v Speaker 2>but Covid really knocked me job.

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<v Speaker 1>You said three year because I was actually thinking you

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<v Speaker 1>were sixty five. Because I was you're working out a year?

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<v Speaker 2>You would have been right, but I actually took a

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<v Speaker 2>year or two off. I've kind of lost that momentum.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've almost finished the new CD. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>really want to get back into it, like I had to,

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<v Speaker 2>had a few changes in my life that I had

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of sort it out. Yeah, but I'm back

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<v Speaker 2>on track now and I'm really keen to.

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<v Speaker 4>Because it's massive. That skits like it's unbelievable. As I

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<v Speaker 4>said to you, I got almost did I think it counts?

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<v Speaker 4>BAK thirteen I found downstairs and in my box.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, yeah, I used to always keep them because they're

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<v Speaker 2>worth money. You've got to wait till I die first obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, there's there's a lot of people selling those

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<v Speaker 2>CDs quite a bit of money because you just can't

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<v Speaker 2>get them anymore. And it's almost like a collection. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got to have those CDs, you know. It's like when

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<v Speaker 2>you're a kid used to collect footy cards. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you had to have a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It's the same thing with the skits mix thing.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the best venue you've ever played a look

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<v Speaker 2>as a club, it would be probably Family Nightclub in

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<v Speaker 2>Brisbane that used to be Cracker. I used to like

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<v Speaker 2>finish my set, you know, the crowd would want more,

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<v Speaker 2>you do an encore. You do an encore, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and the owners of the club will come out I

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<v Speaker 2>no more. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It was almost like a riot. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciated a lot more now than I did back

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<v Speaker 2>then because back then it was just gig after gig,

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<v Speaker 2>upter gig.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not thinking about what You're just in the motion

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<v Speaker 1>and that that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you reflect and go, wow, that was good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you do the big gigs. Like the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>gig I think I did was about two or three

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. It was called soapop, and it was with Aqua.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always I for sixty five. Well there's big and

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<v Speaker 2>it was that Kudos arena. So here I am on stage,

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<v Speaker 2>this massive stage and meat, you know, and I'm playing

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<v Speaker 2>in between the artists and for the artists as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's quite daunting.

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<v Speaker 1>Still got the goosebumps when you do live shows all

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<v Speaker 1>the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it doesn't matter how big or how small. I

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<v Speaker 2>still get those butterflies, and I still get excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I still I love.

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<v Speaker 1>It more now because you appreciate it more now.

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I appreciate it more because of the

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<v Speaker 2>whole COVID thing, because we had two years off, like

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<v Speaker 2>music completely stopped for us, you know, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>especially at my age, you know, two years is a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>So right now I'm like, you know what, treat every

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<v Speaker 2>gig like it's your last, like, so enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you make a lot of music in the COVID?

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<v Speaker 1>What was COVID? Did you like mix?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I did, like it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a bit tough, like I said, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of personal changes and I had to relocate my studio

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<v Speaker 2>so I couldn't get to do too much. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a pub as well, which I lost in COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so, like it was a really tough time

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<v Speaker 2>for me to try and because you just can't go

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<v Speaker 2>into a studio and just go like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got to be you feeling. You've got to be happy,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going through a lot at that time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't write music, you know, so and I

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<v Speaker 2>had health issues as well, and it was really tough

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm still trying to get through that. At the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so you're flying, you know, like your storybook is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you for your school, you get to die,

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<v Speaker 2>you get a house, and you know, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're up here, and then all of a sudden everything crashes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, after so many years and you just have

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<v Speaker 2>to Readjust I thought it never happened, but it happens

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<v Speaker 2>to the best of us. But yeah, I just I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get to write too much. But like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm back. I've got a new studio. Now I'm back

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<v Speaker 2>into it and I'm really keen.

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<v Speaker 4>You know when you mix music, yeah like it and

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<v Speaker 4>you're doing like a stay say, for instance, skits mixed, right,

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<v Speaker 4>how did you come up with what you're going to mix.

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<v Speaker 4>How did you do it? Is it just something that

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<v Speaker 4>you've always wanted to This song is hit me. I

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<v Speaker 4>always want to mix this with something else or is

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<v Speaker 4>it just playing around with whatever on the day now

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<v Speaker 4>to get that vibe to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just basically songs that I like.

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<v Speaker 2>So half the CD is pretty much like my own

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<v Speaker 2>music and half like from other record labels, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And honestly, even back then, if I wanted a song

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<v Speaker 2>in two seconds, I had it because the CD was

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<v Speaker 2>so big and it used to sell a lot, so

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<v Speaker 2>they'd like to make money from it, so I had

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<v Speaker 2>a choice of any song I wanted, you know. But

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<v Speaker 2>now it's it's a whole different ball game. Nobody's giving

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<v Speaker 2>songs anymore. Nobody's doing compilations. No one's doing compilations, so

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<v Speaker 2>when I asked for songs, it's a lot harder. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the landscapes changed completely. Like if he used to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the major record labels, hundreds of people working there,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no one there anymore. It's a ghost town, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Because back then you had A

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<v Speaker 2>and R departments, you had people, you know, like nurturing

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<v Speaker 2>new artists.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's just songs from anywhere, get him in, sell them, get.

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<v Speaker 2>Them out, you know. So there's none of that anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at the Australia, the Australian band scene, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the seventies, eighties and nineties we had the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>bands in the world. If you wanted to go out,

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<v Speaker 2>you can go anywhere to see anyone. Now maybe five

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<v Speaker 2>big Australian bands that are current. Everyone's still kind of

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<v Speaker 2>going back to the old old Ossie Roth stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>which which I love.

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<v Speaker 4>There is one remix that you did that I must

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<v Speaker 4>here we go, and I don't know if you're going

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<v Speaker 4>to know that's the X Files. Wow, okay, I remember

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<v Speaker 4>that one, and that's the one I used to play

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<v Speaker 4>all the time in my fucking car.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny that it's funny that you mentioned I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen that CD in decades.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone pulled it out last week and I've got it.

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<v Speaker 3>You got it and I listened to it. I went,

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<v Speaker 3>did I do that? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So that was that was Actually that was very popular.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. It's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that went number two or something in the

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<v Speaker 2>Australian charts like back then.

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<v Speaker 4>Because one well X Files was massive back and it

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<v Speaker 4>was massive, and that it was a kind of catchy tune.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, everyone kind of knows that that theme,

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<v Speaker 2>that TV theme, and it just yeah, it was I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, jump on the gravy train and go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, just like I said, I listened to it

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time last week and I went, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I could.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you enjoyed doing kind of stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I loved it because honestly, back then, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you now, the charts back then were eclectic. You

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<v Speaker 2>had all different styles of music. Go look at the

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<v Speaker 2>charts now, it's half Taylor Swift. You know, everyone's singing

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<v Speaker 2>about how bad their lives are. Really, everyone's singing how

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<v Speaker 2>about the what of the Venger Boys? You know, just

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<v Speaker 2>get on the Vinger bus and that's fun. No one's

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<v Speaker 2>having fun with music anymore, you can't. No one's playing

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<v Speaker 2>fun music.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it used to be happy, And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I used to go out to be happy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're on those artists are doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's because the scenes changed now at the

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<v Speaker 1>club and scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>Before it was a bit more for these it was

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more purist you know what I mean. Clubs

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<v Speaker 2>were for people who really wanted to hear that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of music. Now, if you don't play a certain style,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people will just walk off. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>although they'll expect you to be a jukebox. They go,

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<v Speaker 2>can you play this?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, no, it's give me a hundred bucks, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Just yeah, it's different because back then, I can play

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<v Speaker 2>whatever I want. Now I've got to you know, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got to see the crowd, see the crowd, make sure

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<v Speaker 2>make them happy, actually told by the venue what they should.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard that a few times.

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<v Speaker 2>They never do it to me, but yeah, I hear

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of promoters saying people own and saying you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to play this style of music and then change

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<v Speaker 2>it to this, you know. But I also was a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit smarter too, I you know, if I had

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<v Speaker 2>him really going, I play a couple of songs that

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<v Speaker 2>weren't so popular so they can go have a drink

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<v Speaker 2>at the dark because I've got to be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>conscious of the you know, the turnover at the club

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<v Speaker 2>as well, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>So you've got to do a little bit of that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I know, you said that you're not. You don't

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<v Speaker 4>you've never adalyzed the DJ, right, Yes, surely there's someone

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<v Speaker 4>that you must want to work with or you'd like

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<v Speaker 4>to work with alongside.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, sure, all of them, all of them? Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>why not?

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<v Speaker 1>There's not one that sticks out there? You go, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, no, no, no, I'm not I'm not. No, none, none.

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<v Speaker 2>They can work with me if that's how I should be.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm older, but not really. I mean, look, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong. If if David Guetta or Test said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, let's do a sorry, my ankles will be

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<v Speaker 2>hitting my ass, I'd be running, you know, like yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. But there's not one that I really want

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<v Speaker 2>to reach out to. Look, there's been a couple that

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<v Speaker 2>i've you know, you know a couple of mates, like

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<v Speaker 2>like Timmy Trump and all those guys.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, to me, I'm trying to get on there,

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<v Speaker 4>you trying to get on always said blood.

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<v Speaker 2>Timmy, Timmy, get your ass here is at the comery there,

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<v Speaker 2>get your ass here and talk to you. Look, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Timmy is a good friend. You know, we talk quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. But now he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when he started coming to the clubs. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I kid you not. We I never forget this one.

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<v Speaker 2>We just we did a gig, like a little local

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<v Speaker 2>gig in Victoria. It was like Geelong or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And he sat next to me on the aeroplane. I've

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<v Speaker 2>just met him. Nice kid, you know, and he's played

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<v Speaker 2>before me and I watched him. I went, wow, this

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<v Speaker 2>this kid's got something. And on the way back on

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<v Speaker 2>their pane, I go and I said to him, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you remembers. I said, you're going to be a superstar.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh really, Nick stars in his eyes. I go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got an X factor. And these days you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to have an X factor, you know. You just can't

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<v Speaker 2>just be an average DJ.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot more visual now, you know. Back in

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<v Speaker 2>my day, you just put your head down, you concentrate,

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<v Speaker 2>and you play.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they play for the crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they got the monkeys the box, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're all jumping around and acting.

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<v Speaker 1>Like spitting, they're doing all that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all they're jumping up on I can't even get up.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll break the hip, you know, I can't even do that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's it's good. It's a lot of energy.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think they concentrate more on the appearance than

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing. And you'll find a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>bigger events and festivals, you know, it's all pre mixed,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>The laptops there.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't sound bitter or anything, but I just like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so I'll go to a gig, I'll look

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<v Speaker 2>at the crowd, I'll go through my music and go,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I'm going to play tonight. One of

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<v Speaker 2>those bigger events, you know, because they've got to sink

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<v Speaker 2>the lighting with the music and it's a whole show.

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<v Speaker 2>So therefore it's kind of all kind of premix. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think it defeats the purpose of the challenge of

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<v Speaker 2>maybe making a mistake or playing something different, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're just you're feeling it. That's what I do,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how it should be. You know, it shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be all I'm going to play this tonight. Just get

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<v Speaker 2>up there, look at the crowd, have some fun. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a couple of Vodkas, and make a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>mistakes and go for it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it doesn't have to be perfect and polished, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they're trying to do, you know. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I'm old school and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>stick to that.

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<v Speaker 4>What's the best remix you've ever done? Why would you

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<v Speaker 4>ask me that question? You know what that's like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like asking who's your favorite child.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to tell that kid no. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's always a ship one