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Speaker 1: Apote production.

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Speaker 2: What's your first gig? I'll never forget it. It was

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Speaker 2: my first interstate gig, was in Perth. I was nervous

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Speaker 2: the state. It's at the Metro. It's full houses, a

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Speaker 2: few thousand people. I get there, I'm nervous as hell,

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Speaker 2: and I get on stage. I play my first song.

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Speaker 2: These pyrotechnics go off. The CD plays stop from the vibration,

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Speaker 2: so I get the old way anyway. My sphinx's pulsating

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Speaker 2: like this anyway, So I start the song again, sweating.

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Speaker 2: He lets off more bombs. The song stops again. So

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Speaker 2: the song stopped twice, you know. In the beginning, I'm going, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: someone bring me a razor and a needle.

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Speaker 3: It's all over, you know.

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Speaker 2: So and I looked at the guy, I go, no

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Speaker 2: more bombs. Yeah, I'll never forget. There's just people, you know,

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Speaker 2: just so nervous, so nervous. I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever got that any mistakes while you've been playing?

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Speaker 2: More so now, like from the beginning to the last

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Speaker 2: couple of years, never made a mistake. Now I'm just

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Speaker 2: having such a good time and having fun, too much fun.

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Speaker 2: And I always have this reoccurring dream where I'll played

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Speaker 2: the same song and I'm doing it now and it's

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Speaker 2: the same song. It's nine pm till I come. I'll

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Speaker 2: play the song, I'll play something else. Someone will say

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Speaker 2: something to me, I've forgotten that I've still got that

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Speaker 2: song in there. I'll press it and I'll play it again,

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Speaker 2: and I'll look at the crowd and they're oblivious. I go, wow, OK,

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Speaker 2: I'll get away with this for about thirty seconds and yeah, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's happened a few times now, I must laugh it off.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty five, you start to just gets mixed.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 1: How did that feel when it became so popular? You

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Did you think it was going

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Speaker 3: No, not at all.

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Speaker 4: I just because to me, it's like, you know, Wild FM,

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Speaker 4: That's how I.

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Speaker 3: Look at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we used to when we had a meeting

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Speaker 2: about Wild effam, you know, and that station was huge

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Speaker 2: and they so we're going to release these Wild and MCDs.

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Speaker 2: And I thought that was a great idea because back

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Speaker 2: then we used to have meetings. Not anymore. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we released that compilation and obviously I had an

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Speaker 2: involvement with that and they were huge.

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Speaker 3: But with Skitz mixed.

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Speaker 2: You know, I did one, two, three, I thought, you know,

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Speaker 2: what if I get to ten, what's it up to? Now?

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Speaker 3: I think I'm working on sixty.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was like sixty five.

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Speaker 3: So I'm working on sixty.

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Speaker 1: It's taken.

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Speaker 2: It's taken a while. I used to do three a year,

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Speaker 2: but Covid really knocked me job.

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Speaker 1: You said three year because I was actually thinking you

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Speaker 1: were sixty five. Because I was you're working out a year?

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Speaker 2: You would have been right, but I actually took a

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Speaker 2: year or two off. I've kind of lost that momentum.

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Speaker 2: But I've almost finished the new CD. You know, I

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Speaker 2: really want to get back into it, like I had to,

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Speaker 2: had a few changes in my life that I had

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Speaker 2: to kind of sort it out. Yeah, but I'm back

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Speaker 4: Because it's massive. That skits like it's unbelievable. As I

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Speaker 4: said to you, I got almost did I think it counts?

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Speaker 4: BAK thirteen I found downstairs and in my box.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I used to always keep them because they're

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Speaker 2: worth money. You've got to wait till I die first obviously,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, there's there's a lot of people selling those

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Speaker 2: get them anymore. And it's almost like a collection. You've

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Speaker 2: got to have those CDs, you know. It's like when

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Speaker 2: you're a kid used to collect footy cards. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: you know, you had to have a whole lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It's the same thing with the skits mix thing.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: So what's the best venue you've ever played a look

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Speaker 2: as a club, it would be probably Family Nightclub in

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Speaker 2: Brisbane that used to be Cracker. I used to like

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Speaker 2: finish my set, you know, the crowd would want more,

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Speaker 2: you do an encore. You do an encore, you know,

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Speaker 2: and the owners of the club will come out I

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Speaker 2: no more. You know.

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Speaker 3: It was almost like a riot. You know.

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Speaker 2: I appreciated a lot more now than I did back

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Speaker 2: then because back then it was just gig after gig,

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Speaker 1: You're not thinking about what You're just in the motion

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Speaker 1: and that that's right.

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Speaker 2: But then you reflect and go, wow, that was good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then you do the big gigs. Like the biggest

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Speaker 2: gig I think I did was about two or three

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Speaker 2: years ago. It was called soapop, and it was with Aqua.

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Speaker 2: I'm always I for sixty five. Well there's big and

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Speaker 2: it was that Kudos arena. So here I am on stage,

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Speaker 2: this massive stage and meat, you know, and I'm playing

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Speaker 2: and that's quite daunting.

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Speaker 1: Still got the goosebumps when you do live shows all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't matter how big or how small. I

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Speaker 2: still get those butterflies, and I still get excited.

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Speaker 3: I still I love.

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Speaker 1: It more now because you appreciate it more now.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 2: And I think I appreciate it more because of the

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Speaker 2: whole COVID thing, because we had two years off, like

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Speaker 2: music completely stopped for us, you know, and you know,

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Speaker 2: especially at my age, you know, two years is a lot.

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Speaker 2: So right now I'm like, you know what, treat every

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Speaker 2: gig like it's your last, like, so enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Did you make a lot of music in the COVID?

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Speaker 1: What was COVID? Did you like mix?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I did, like it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a bit tough, like I said, a lot

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Speaker 2: of personal changes and I had to relocate my studio

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Speaker 2: so I couldn't get to do too much. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I had a pub as well, which I lost in COVID.

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Speaker 2: You know, so, like it was a really tough time

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Speaker 3: You've got to be you feeling. You've got to be happy,

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Speaker 3: and I was.

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Speaker 2: I was going through a lot at that time, and

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Speaker 2: I just couldn't write music, you know, so and I

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Speaker 2: you know, so you're flying, you know, like your storybook is.

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Speaker 2: You know, you for your school, you get to die,

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Speaker 2: you get a house, and you know, and you know

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Speaker 2: to Readjust I thought it never happened, but it happens

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Speaker 2: to the best of us. But yeah, I just I

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Speaker 2: didn't get to write too much. But like I said,

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Speaker 2: I'm back. I've got a new studio. Now I'm back

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Speaker 4: You know when you mix music, yeah like it and

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Speaker 4: you're doing like a stay say, for instance, skits mixed, right,

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Speaker 4: how did you come up with what you're going to mix.

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Speaker 4: How did you do it? Is it just something that

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Speaker 4: you've always wanted to This song is hit me. I

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Speaker 4: it just playing around with whatever on the day now

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just basically songs that I like.

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Speaker 2: So half the CD is pretty much like my own

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Speaker 2: music and half like from other record labels, you know.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, even back then, if I wanted a song

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Speaker 2: now it's it's a whole different ball game. Nobody's giving

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Speaker 2: songs anymore. Nobody's doing compilations. No one's doing compilations, so

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Speaker 2: when I asked for songs, it's a lot harder. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the landscapes changed completely. Like if he used to go

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, Because back then you had A

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Speaker 2: and R departments, you had people, you know, like nurturing

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Speaker 3: Now it's just songs from anywhere, get him in, sell them, get.

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Speaker 2: Them out, you know. So there's none of that anymore.

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Speaker 2: going back to the old old Ossie Roth stuff, you know,

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Speaker 4: There is one remix that you did that I must

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Speaker 4: here we go, and I don't know if you're going

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Speaker 4: to know that's the X Files. Wow, okay, I remember

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Speaker 4: that one, and that's the one I used to play

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Speaker 4: all the time in my fucking car.

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Speaker 2: It's funny that it's funny that you mentioned I haven't

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Speaker 3: Someone pulled it out last week and I've got it.

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Speaker 3: You got it and I listened to it. I went,

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Speaker 3: did I do that? You know?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So that was that was Actually that was very popular.

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Speaker 3: You know. It's funny.

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Speaker 2: I think that went number two or something in the

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Speaker 2: Australian charts like back then.

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Speaker 4: Because one well X Files was massive back and it

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Speaker 4: was massive, and that it was a kind of catchy tune.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, everyone kind of knows that that theme,

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Speaker 2: that TV theme, and it just yeah, it was I thought,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, just like I said, I listened to it

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Speaker 2: for the first time last week and I went, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I could.

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Speaker 1: Have you enjoyed doing kind of stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, I loved it because honestly, back then, I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you now, the charts back then were eclectic. You

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Speaker 2: had all different styles of music. Go look at the

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Speaker 2: charts now, it's half Taylor Swift. You know, everyone's singing

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Speaker 2: about how bad their lives are. Really, everyone's singing how

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Speaker 2: about the what of the Venger Boys? You know, just

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Speaker 2: get on the Vinger bus and that's fun. No one's

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Speaker 2: having fun with music anymore, you can't. No one's playing

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's just it used to be happy, And that's why

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Speaker 2: I used to go out to be happy.

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Speaker 3: I think we're on those artists are doing it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's because the scenes changed now at the

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Speaker 1: club and scenes.

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Speaker 2: Before it was a bit more for these it was

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Speaker 2: a bit more purist you know what I mean. Clubs

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Speaker 2: can you play this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, no, it's give me a hundred bucks, you know.

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Speaker 2: Just yeah, it's different because back then, I can play

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Speaker 2: They never do it to me, but yeah, I hear

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Speaker 3: So you've got to do a little bit of that,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sure, all of them, all of them? Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 2: Like, no, no, no, I'm not I'm not. No, none, none.

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Speaker 1: Remember when he started coming to the clubs. You know

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Speaker 3: Well, I kid you not. We I never forget this one.

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Speaker 2: We just we did a gig, like a little local

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh really, Nick stars in his eyes. I go, yeah,

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Speaker 3: You've got it.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot more visual now, you know. Back in

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Speaker 1: Now they play for the crowd.

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Speaker 3: Now they got the monkeys the box, you know, and

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Speaker 3: It's all they're jumping up on I can't even get up.

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Speaker 2: I just don't sound bitter or anything, but I just like,

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Speaker 2: So therefore it's kind of all kind of premix. But

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Speaker 2: and that's how it should be. You know, it shouldn't

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Speaker 2: have a couple of Vodkas, and make a couple of

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Speaker 4: What's the best remix you've ever done? Why would you

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Speaker 3: It's like asking who's your favorite child.

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