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Speaker 1: Well, Cooper. Today we've got the great dal Fanukan Dulphinkarane

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Speaker 1: and overnight the Dulphanukans Caronola Sharks beat Dulpherannugan's former side,

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Speaker 1: the Melbourne Storm. Now just quickly, you you went down

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Speaker 1: to Melbourne Storm training. I watched a bit of a

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Speaker 1: video where you were training as Nicko Heines. Yes I was,

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Speaker 1: and see what a waste to time? Nick Ohines didn't play?

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Speaker 1: So you prepared the Melbourne Storm for nick O Heines.

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Speaker 1: Nicko Heines didn't play. Kronola Sharks win.

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Speaker 2: That is true. Maybe that was the reason Craig Bellamy

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Speaker 2: come with the man, come with the hour. They had

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Speaker 2: a lot of injuries in the halves. Jonah Pezzit out

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Speaker 2: So he said, mate, I need a number and who

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Speaker 2: else then, Cooper, You're in Melbourne? Who else then a

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Speaker 2: former Melbourne great play a number two oh four? Cooper

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Speaker 2: John's come down to help the boys prepare. Obviously didn't

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Speaker 2: prepare them well enough. They got beat.

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Speaker 1: Can make a point, Yeah, I'm going to say you

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Speaker 2: Pressure, like I was having fun. It was. It was

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Speaker 2: really good. It was really good fun. And on the

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Speaker 2: on the weekend, I can say right now that the

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Speaker 2: They are looking really good, especially without their big guns.

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Speaker 1: They've rejigged their football. They're playing far more finals friendly,

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Speaker 2: Even without Nick. It actually really played into their hands

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Speaker 1: They were really good, very very good. Dale Fanukin Finny

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Speaker 2: the most intense training you've ever seen in your life.

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Speaker 2: I remember Cheese telling a story where our straight the

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Speaker 2: Dale would just continue like challenge himself so much to

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Speaker 1: Barked something a thought in my mind. I read Christiano

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Speaker 1: garfunk Cale Hall of Not. It's Sonny and sure you've blokes,

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Speaker 3: Everything was about anything was going on. It was just

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Speaker 2: So, well, you used to be a guy at training

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I've obviously got the O the Coward Bible

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Speaker 1: You just say, where most of the tests they did,

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Speaker 1: you're perfectly fine. The Mr Rice can you said, was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as you said, like all of the all

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Speaker 3: It's like a two hour test where you know there'll

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Speaker 3: I was sort of average on all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: And there's a new tests that they haven't shown out.

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Speaker 3: It's called the neuro catch I think it's the one

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Speaker 3: And that test is where you don't actually verbalize anything

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Speaker 3: So that's tested fine on all of those things. It was.

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Speaker 3: It was more so around I guess the frequency of

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Speaker 3: close there was too close together, obviously a more recent one.

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Speaker 1: A teared Dell. I know you can have mixed emotions

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Speaker 1: sometimes when you've got to be taken off the field,

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Speaker 1: of two weeks off, and certainly the emotion you're fully

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Speaker 1: now where you've been medically retired. But you're so lucky

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I remember watching a game and if

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Speaker 3: he was on there on the field. But he shouldn't

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Speaker 3: But yeah, he definitely shouldn't have been. But yeah, like

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Speaker 2: What's your opinion on It's a big talking they're talking

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Like I feel like you've got to come into

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Speaker 3: think he brought up was that you know, people can

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Speaker 3: go and see, and you know, even as a kid

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Speaker 3: And I understand the safeties at the forefront, but I

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Speaker 1: good point because I am, I can understand the concussion

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Speaker 1: side of things. I I but I do love the kickoff.

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Speaker 1: I think it takes it will take away from the game.

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Speaker 1: it's a seven tackle, twenty minute restart. He said, why

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Speaker 1: If you do a kickoff and the opposition catches the

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Speaker 1: seven tackle, twenty minute restart. Now what that would do?

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Speaker 1: That would force the opposition to either look for a

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't risk pushing it into that in goal area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a step in the right direct.

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Speaker 3: What about on that thinking is, well, what if you

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Speaker 3: and there's just a bounce like you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: and it's still can bounce fifty to the fifty meter

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Speaker 3: lineep I mean more or less the same result. It's

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Speaker 1: I guess, thinking what you're talking about, it is right

434
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 1: as well, even though they might do it almost a

435
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,000
Speaker 1: chip that goes, you know, fifth just past the twenty

436
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 1: meter line at the end of the day's probably a

437
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 1: front role going to be taking the ball full clap anyway.

438
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is, I.

439
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 3: Mean, it's an option for mitigating the risk.

440
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 2: I guess all right, Dary, what about what's next? What's

441
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,439
Speaker 2: next for you?

442
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: Now?

443
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 2: What are you thinking you've now that you're retired, what's

444
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 2: on the horizon? Is there an occupation or something that

445
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 2: you're looking at going into.

446
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 3: So obviously I'm sticking around at the club, you know,

447
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 3: training obviously as well where I'm needed. I would like

448
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 3: to get involved in music a little bit more like

449
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: I feel like the last couple of years, obviously we've

450
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 3: got two young kids, and that's obviously just been hard

451
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 3: with those guys to try and find time to be

452
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 3: able to play music. But I am interested in getting

453
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 3: back into it, whether I sort of upskill myself in

454
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 3: some other areas, like you know, strength conditions and passion

455
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 3: of mine as well. Given that I'm sticking around at

456
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 3: the club, you know, I feel like I should probably

457
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 3: finish some of those you know, strength conditioning certificates. So

458
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 3: I'm kind of I'm kind of still thinking about it,

459
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 3: not in limbo, but still thinking about exactly what I

460
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: want to do. And I guess the positive thing to

461
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 3: come out of premature retirement is that it obviously gives

462
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 3: me a bit more time now to think about transition

463
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 3: and after football, and obviously I've got the next eighty

464
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 3: months to think about what it is I want to do,

465
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 3: and I can go to UNI or whatever I need

466
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 3: to do to upskin myself.

467
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: Just YouTube blokes, the three of you is what happens now?

468
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean it used to be when you're retired from

469
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 1: the NRL or win Field Cup, it's gold, you go

470
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: Sonar if you're go into the distance, what happened? Like,

471
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: what happens now?

472
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 3: What?

473
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: What are you given? Have you given ongoing medical for

474
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons and a few other things.

475
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's still some things being worked out by

476
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 3: the RPA, but there is like obviously like a lot

477
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: better now with transitioning players. So I know from looking

478
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 3: at Keithan Hipgrave who obviously retired a couple of years ago.

479
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 3: He's based up on the Gold Coast, Tommy Simon's they're

480
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 3: both RPA employees that are working up there and they've

481
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 3: got like fitness groups that they go. So obviously anyone

482
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 3: who's in that area they say, hey, let's all get

483
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: together and sort of just around connection because I feel

484
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 3: like that's probably the biggest thing with feel and loss

485
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 3: to the game is you don't have that camaraderie and

486
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 3: that sort of locker room type environment that you've had

487
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 3: and you've grown up with. So that's sort of one

488
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: area obviously in terms of ability to accessibility to resources

489
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: like education and things like that. We do have access.

490
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: I was speaking to Robbo, our welfare fellow the other day,

491
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 3: and you know, a number of years post career you've

492
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 3: got access to that, whether it's to do courses or

493
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: you know, tools of the trade for things that you're

494
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: going to do.

495
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: So it's about ten years you get like if you've

496
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: done something in your career, medical if it's an injury

497
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: from your career, and for tertiary education as well.

498
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 3: And obviously they've got that the fund set up for

499
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: players annually as well, so I think it's it's about

500
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 3: fourteen grand a year and now so every player who

501
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 3: plays in the NROL now will have a fund that's

502
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 3: forteen grand sits in and every year they'll get sort

503
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,239
Speaker 3: of forteen grand and then at the end of your

504
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 3: career might have you know, whatever's in there, and that

505
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 3: obviously goes to you to help you transition into to

506
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 3: life after. And so it's kind of a lot better

507
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 3: now than probably back in your audoy manei where you

508
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: were lost to the game.

509
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: Well there, I was lucky. I came out of the

510
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: game and went in and got a job in the

511
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: middle media, luckily. But a lot of players there's no parachute.

512
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: It's just you know. And what it is dale is

513
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: for a lot of players, they retire and suddenly as

514
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: they walk out out of the ground and say goodbye

515
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: for the teammates, it's a complete loss of identity, which

516
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: used to be complete loss of identity. Your ostracize, well

517
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: not deliver it, but you ostracize yourself from the tribe.

518
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: And back in ancient times there were two things you're

519
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: punny for. One was it was death, or even worse

520
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: than death, being ostracized from the tribe. And that's that

521
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: was that was a huge problem.

522
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: How many players did you see go from being these

523
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: rock star players not like yourself? You didn't go into

524
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: the media because a lot of that mob did. How

525
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: many players did you see who were big rock stars

526
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: in the Rabbi League world and then all of a

527
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 2: sudden they retire and then they just kind of spiral

528
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: out of control.

529
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: It's it was almost become a cliche. There was so

530
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 1: there was so much of it, and I think the

531
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: wrong word you use that he was almost like a

532
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: rock star and then and ended he just you know,

533
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: because what that alludes to is what the common belief was.

534
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: People go oh, you know when players would fall into

535
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: depression posts they go, oh, yeah, here they are. They

536
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: were big stars and suddenly they retire and they missed,

537
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: miss the limelight. Now, to an extent, there's probably a

538
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: small percentage you like that, but what it is mainly

539
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: is is just loss of your identity lost, the loss

540
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: of identity, the loss of routine, and how you feel

541
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: within yourself as much as probably friends say, mate, we're

542
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: going to be mates for life and catch up, and

543
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: that it just doesn't happen. That that's that's the big I.

544
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 3: Feel like to an extent, and I sort of haven't

545
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: had a great chance to think about it. But and

546
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 3: this might be a little bit exaggerated as well, but

547
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 3: almost like institutionalized where you're like guys who come out

548
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 3: of jail, and it's like because you've had like a

549
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 3: certain set of regimes and regimented for such a long

550
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: period of time, it's like you're told what to wear,

551
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: what time to be somewhere, like you told so many things,

552
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 3: sort of in within rugby league and from a young

553
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: age generally from sort of you know, no later than

554
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: the age of twenty through to you after your thirties,

555
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,959
Speaker 3: and it becomes it becomes your life. And then obviously,

556
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,239
Speaker 3: you know, transitioning out of rugby leage afterwards is kind

557
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: of like you obviously have a bit more flexibility in freedom,

558
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: but it's like you don't have what you once did.

559
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: It's so true. I was having to be with a

560
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: couple of guys who served in the military and they

561
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: said the same thing is that, you know, they were suffering.

562
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: And I said, ah, from you know what you saw

563
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: in the battlefield and they said, yeah, yeah, there was

564
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: an extent of that. But maybe he said, we've just

565
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: completely lost their routine once you left the military. We've

566
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: lost all our routine, We've lost the camaraderie. It's just less,

567
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: this enormous hole that can't be filled.

568
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about growing up from Beager down south Inland

569
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: of tarth Tarthra, that's where it is. What was your

570
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: what was your childhood?

571
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: Like?

572
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: It was good? I started playing league at eight. I

573
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: think school down there, the Bigger West, which actually doesn't

574
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: exist anymore. They chucked a bypass straight through it.

575
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: They retired after you left.

576
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: You said, we've got a blake here playing for the ballog.

577
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: You can't read or right, Yeah, exactly. No, so yeah,

578
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: obviously that was my school. Actually it didn't go straight

579
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: through it, it wentn't around it, but they've just continued it.

580
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 3: And then being a high school was where I went

581
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 3: did all my high schooling, but I really enjoyed it.

582
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: I sort of did nippers and all the surf club

583
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: stuff growing up, sort of dabbled in a little bit

584
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: of everything really, anything that had sort of get your

585
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 3: day off school in high school and sort of play tennis, badmint,

586
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: anything to sort of get yourself a da school. But yeah,

587
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 3: that's I think. I really enjoyed the sort of small town,

588
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: sort of country upbringing, and I feel like, you know,

589
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: I'd like that for my kids as well. I always

590
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 3: thought in my early twenties that I'd want to stick

591
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 3: around in Sydney long term, but I do feel like

592
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: after the next sort of few years that we will

593
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: get back there at some point, and purely because I

594
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: enjoyed the way that I was brought up and w

595
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: want that for my kids as well.

596
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: Dale growing up, there a lot of music in the house.

597
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, dad was, so that's where obviously my love of

598
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: music came from. His dad. Dad played the guitar and

599
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: he taught us from a young age and and when

600
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 3: we're in private school, I think it was from about

601
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 3: year three we had to learn to play an instrument.

602
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: It was either the guitar or the recorder.

603
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: You would believe I picked the recorder, played with the

604
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: banks of the higher I was.

605
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, never gonna be Actually, funnily enough, I bought my

606
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: nephews a recorder from my sister, not because I had

607
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: any interest in him learning it, because I knew it

608
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 3: would piss her off play the record in the house.

609
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: But so yeah, And obviously that it continued throughout throughout

610
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: primary school and I was involved in you know, the

611
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 3: school bands of primary school, and that carried into high

612
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: school as well. And I still remember there was a

613
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: year seven performs that I did. I didn't have the guitar,

614
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: and it always feels a little bit more daunting when

615
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: you don't have the guitar, because it feels like it's

616
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: always like a lithing. But it was just me out

617
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: there and it was what about me, shadon this is like,

618
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: so we had we had still like eleven hundred people

619
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: at our school and that was probably our whole year

620
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: groups that been two underdod kids there and I'm sort

621
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: of standing up there, pre pubescent sort of voice, had

622
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: to break p lan dynamite, and that was sort of

623
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: like my first real introduction into like a decent sized

624
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: crowd and like having a lot of pressure on me.

625
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: And then obviously throughout throughout high school, I was always

626
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: involved in those sorts of assemblies where you'd have, you know,

627
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: you play gigs, and I actually played. I was a

628
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: year nine or ten, and I actually played for a

629
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: couple of guys who were doing their their yeah any

630
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: year twelve sort of assessment, and so I just filled

631
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: in for a guitarist for those guys. So I've always

632
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: loved music, and yeah, it's sort of just a hobby

633
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: that I've enjoyed doing outside of footing.

634
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: Well, you know he sat in this seat four weeks ago. Yeah, yeah,

635
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: actually I did see that pop up on the Yeah,

636
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: good to see you listening.

637
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: No, it's funny. He actually he actually said that he

638
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: got ou a recent concert of saying.

639
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: Good. So your partner Maddie is from down there as well.

640
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: Childhood Sweethearts, high school sweet Sweethearts? How did you win?

641
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: You told me a story about the time you asked

642
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: her out on a beach one time.

643
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: That's all right. So I actually the way that I met,

644
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: I knew a small town, so you kind of know

645
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: of everybody. At the time. She was actually at a

646
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: different school. She went to the the Catholic or the

647
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: Anglican school down there. And I was with a girl

648
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: at the time in you know, nine, So I was

649
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: fourteen fifteen, work in the field, and I actually got

650
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 3: dumped on the beach by this girl and somehow Maddie,

651
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: Maddie had known about it. It was and one of

652
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: my friends was up with Maddie on the beach and

653
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: he goes, I watch this, I was about to get

654
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: get dumped here and she's watching it play by play unfold.

655
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: And then and then I've just sort of walked back

656
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: up the beach. I've noticed my mate, who thanks for

657
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: giving the heads up. I've gone and sort of just said,

658
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: oh mate, I just just got the and then sort

659
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: of straight away my attention Maddy and just said, hey,

660
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: how are you on? What are you doing this? A particle?

661
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: I can imagine speed dating?

662
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 2: You're a bad man.

663
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: That's how we met, and then obviously we we actually

664
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: didn't start going out to probably a year or maybe

665
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: eight months later.

666
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: A true love story. I know, yeah, ages, Yeah, sorry,

667
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: what did you I'll just say unless.

668
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: You got something else there, move into club Land and

669
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: the Bulldogs. You know, you're scouted and you go to

670
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: the Bulldogs and it's like the Bulldogs your club with

671
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: a great tradition, like growing up in the eighties and

672
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: playing into the nineties, you know and through the nineties. Dale,

673
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: You're real, You're you are a stereotypical Bulldogs player. Bulldogs

674
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: players are always fit, they're always tough, and they're always

675
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: really great competitors. How did you find the club when

676
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: you first got there?

677
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? Really good and it was funny. I wasn't actually

678
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: supposed to move up until the following year. So how

679
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: do all I unfolded?

680
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: Was? I?

681
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: I was playing at a country carnival at seventeen in

682
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: Newcastle and I got a manager picked me up and

683
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: then not long after sign sent me a four year

684
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: deal to sign for the Dogs. And they were meant

685
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: to be two stay at home years, two years of twenties.

686
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: First year I ended up staying at home. Second year.

687
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: We thought it would be better if I got up

688
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: and sort of transitioned and did a year of high

689
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: school in Sydney and played a ship ball. So just time.

690
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: How did you find just like that going from going

691
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: from small town said b and now everyone small school

692
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: to move into Sydney and going too high school there.

693
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a huge difference because I'd

694
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: only just got my peas at the time as well,

695
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: and I'd learned all of my driving in auto mostly

696
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: and the last month I just crammed learned how to

697
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: drive them. Man, it were just so I could get

698
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: it ticked off. And I was awful driving in the

699
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: four lanes trying to get from men I had to basketball, well,

700
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: I was going to school, and the anxiety that I

701
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: had buught up traffic lights and then having to you

702
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: know again, yeah, it was. It was pretty nerve wracking

703
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: to do that. And then obviously even from a cultural

704
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: point of view going to to bass Hill, you know,

705
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: back at home, particularly in Biger at the time, you know,

706
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: it was sort of white Anglo Saxon and I hadn't

707
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: even really been exposed and seen so many other like

708
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: different cultures. And then obviously bass Hill sort of Bankstown

709
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: areas quite an ethnic sort of diversity, and you know,

710
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: moving out there, I was kind of like the ethnic minority,

711
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: and I was like, just had so many different cultures

712
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: around me. It was so new to me, and it

713
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: was it was actually really good. I learned a lot

714
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: from a lot of different people, but just the things

715
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: that I wasn't used to from home. Yeah, driving being one,

716
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: you know, the people that involved, and back to a

717
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: sort of playing point of view. Ended up playing a

718
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 3: ship ball. It actually ended up being a really successful year.

719
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: I'm really glad I came up because we end up

720
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: playing in the Grand Final against the Melbourne stormershyeball side

721
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: and we won that one. I ended up getting selected

722
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: for the New eighteen's, which was actually the first sort

723
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: of major website I'd been selected in, and then I

724
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,479
Speaker 3: got caught up to the twenties the following week after

725
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: the Grand Final. So I just feel like if I

726
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: hadn't moved up at the time that I did, all

727
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: of those things might have unfolded for me.

728
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 2: When did the storm bump Because I remember you saying

729
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: before you debuted and went into the NRL system with

730
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 2: the dogs, storm bumped you trying to get you down

731
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 2: there before that. When did they Yes?

732
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: So I was off contract at the end of twenty eleven,

733
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: which was the last year of my twenties and Torota Cup,

734
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: and I went down and met with Melbourne. I went

735
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: with Craig Bellamy and Frey Pernici at the back end

736
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: of that year in twenty eleven, and I was very

737
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: on the fence with what I was going to do.

738
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: I was very undecided with whether I was going to

739
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: stay stay on at the Bulldogs or whether I was

740
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: going to move down to Melbourne, and Pete Mahland at

741
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: the time sort of assured me that they were sort

742
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 3: of moving some guys on and the opportunities to play

743
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: would sort of come about for me, and so I

744
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: ended up sticking at Melbourne, sorry at the Bulldogs for

745
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: those so twenty twelve, thirteen fourteen and then twenty fourteen,

746
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: I still had two years to run on my deal,

747
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: but there was it was sort of an amicable, you know,

748
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: club and I were both happy to part ways and

749
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: the opportunity came up to go to Melbourne for so

750
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: it was funny because I ended up doing all the

751
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: preseason from twenty fourteen in the end of that season

752
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: and then in January I started at Melbourne, so it

753
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: was kind of like a switch over just between that

754
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: Christmas period, so it all happened really fast.

755
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: Like as far as the Dogs playing first grade, your

756
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: day Bud twenty twelve, round thirteen, you win twelve in

757
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: a row, you must have been thinking.

758
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: First yeah, we so, yeah, I had a boot and

759
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: then I think our first loss came in I think

760
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: it was around twenty six against Camera and then obviously

761
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: went into finals after that. But you know, and my

762
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: role was quite small in that in those early days,

763
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: like I was, I was playing pretty erratic minutes. I

764
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: think my second game I played eight minutes.

765
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 2: It's a good forward pack.

766
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Aiden Thim and Greg Eastwood, Freank Pritchard.

767
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: We have some really semi sy as well.

768
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: Sammy was in there. Yeah, all those guys we had.

769
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: Even the bench was like it was really started start started.

770
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: Corey Payne was in there as well, so and it

771
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: was it was sort of like myself and Martin to

772
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: Power sort of in the position of sort of who

773
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: was playing at that time as well. Yeah, we played

774
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: obviously a couple twenties together. But yeah, I just thought, how.

775
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: It's it's funny like looking through your career as far

776
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: as Grand finals that when you win all you lose.

777
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: It's often against side you're going to go to. Twenty

778
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: twelve Grand four. You mentioned you mentioned James Graham before Gamma,

779
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: one of the toughest blokes ever. I reckon it would

780
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: have been a fantastic guy to be along side to

781
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: learn how to per for games. But of course early

782
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: in that twenty twelve Grand Final he's adrenaline went a

783
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: little bit overboard and actually bit Billy Slater.

784
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: Nothing.

785
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: So he told me like, what was Jama like? What

786
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: was what was James Graham like? In the sheds for

787
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: a game?

788
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: He was really good. And I've spoken a little bit

789
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: about this week the different leaders that I've had over

790
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 3: the course of the three clubs have been involved, and

791
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: I think the thing that stands out for me with

792
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: James his passion Like he's just so passionate. It is

793
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: honestly like I'd imagine like you going to war and

794
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: he's just like, you know, the guy who's leading the

795
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: leading the troops in different styles. I guess to someone

796
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: like Mick who's a little bit more calculated and I

797
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: guess more reserved than his approach to it. But James is,

798
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: you know, everyone knows how sort of vocal he could

799
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: have been at times on the field, and you know

800
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: that came out pregame as well. I think my first

801
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: game as eight eighth man was against the Titans up

802
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: there prior to to making my debut, and I just

803
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: remember that I was so excited being eighteenth man. And

804
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's still echoed today that people

805
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: get genuine excitement, but just being around the environment of

806
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: seeing how everyone prepares and you know, I'm sort of

807
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: just watching everybody, and you know, I still remember James

808
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: sort of you know, with.

809
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: His finger finger.

810
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's just how you know, passion he was

811
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: and about wanting to do so well for the team.

812
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: We devastated losing twenty twelve or at that point you're

813
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: a young guy and you're thinking myself and a lot

814
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: of guys never get to play another Grand Final, but

815
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: you're thinking himself, I'll be here plenty of times.

816
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: Alf Oh.

817
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 3: To be honest, I was. I was devastated about it,

818
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 3: but at the same time I certainly didn't take for granted.

819
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 3: But I also at the time don't know if I

820
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: knew the magnitude of what I could have potentially that

821
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: we could have achieved. Yep, and said it was my

822
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: first year playing first grade, so you know, I was

823
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: hopeful that that opportunity would come again. But you know,

824
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: statistically it doesn't happen for a lot of players. I

825
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: think I spoke about someone like to have Nofaluma the

826
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: other day who until he sort of transitioned down to Melbourne,

827
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: I don't know that he'd been involved in a finals.

828
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: Now he never never played a finals game. Similarly with

829
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: and then he put the curse, not to put the

830
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: curse on. He came down to Melbourne and then we

831
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: went out like one one week after a chant.

832
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 3: So so for someone who's obviously played a decade fortya,

833
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: it was you know, there's guys like that who don't

834
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 3: have lucky enough.

835
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 2: To be What about two years later you go twenty fourteen,

836
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: you guys get beat by South in that iconic Grand Final.

837
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: Another James Graham moment off to kick off, he breaks

838
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: Sam Burgess's face the cheek bone. Was that like a

839
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: was that a tactic in that thing? Like Sam is

840
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: the leader? No, not breaking right, but with you guys,

841
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: he's he's the face of their pack. Him and Gi

842
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: were the guns. But you guys going after it and It.

843
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: Is interesting and I've since heard a podcast where James

844
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: on the bb around where he talks to Sam Burgers

845
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: about it, and he says that you weren't supposed to

846
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: be back there, in other words, the lock at the

847
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: time because he was playing lock. I believe he was

848
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: the middle traditionally to two front rows at the back

849
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: lock in the front and I'm not sure whether he

850
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 3: swapped with with Tyrrell or but yeah, so it wasn't

851
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: spoken about because James was surprised, as anyone else when

852
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: Sam was the first one who was bringing the ball back,

853
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: because you know, I think Sam just wanted to be

854
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: the first one to have contact in the JAP.

855
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: I spoke to interview James when he first retired and

856
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: I asked him about that, and he said, when he

857
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: ran onto the field and he saw Sam there, he

858
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: took that as a front like it was a challenge. Yeah, Sam,

859
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: and he said, whoever was kicking off, he said, kick

860
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: it to Sam. I want to get some action on it.

861
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: He's a scary man, all right. Then after that, like

862
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: you said, you go down to the Melbourne storm. What

863
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: was your What did you heard about the storm? Because

864
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: it's pretty there's a lot of infamous, scary things that

865
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: come out of Storm Camp.

866
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: I think the first thing for me was like the

867
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: playing group, like Camp Coop Billy that you know, everyone

868
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: spoke spoke about the Big Three and obviously Craig and

869
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: I'd obviously met Craig and Frank before so, and it

870
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 3: was interesting in trying to sign me there the first

871
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: time around. I really loved Craig's honestly, because you know,

872
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: if you're trying to get someone to a club, you

873
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: might try and make it look pretty and dress it

874
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: up a little bit. But he sort of let me

875
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: know that it's going to be hard. He's like, mate,

876
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: if you come down here, it's going to be hard work.

877
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 3: You're going to be tested, and if you get through

878
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: all this like you're gonna like So I've really appreciated that, honestly.

879
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 3: Straight up.

880
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: You didn't ring the Titans after so.

881
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, so, like I really that was one thing

882
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 3: that sort of stuck with me and the reason why

883
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: I was really happy to go there, you know a

884
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: few years later when I eventually did go. But you'd

885
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 3: obviously heard about all the you know, the infamous army

886
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: camps and the work programs and all those sorts of things.

887
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm not sure if I tell you this, cud,

888
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: but I actually got away with not doing the work program.

889
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 3: We'd always got lucky enough that it always started late enough.

890
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: So tell us the work programs.

891
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: You go, so you get there you first, ever, you

892
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: only have to do it once. You go for two weeks.

893
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: So you get up at four am and you do gym,

894
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: your weights and stuff in the morning. Then they send

895
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: you off to do physical labor all day, like you

896
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: do a trade. Basically me and Harry Grant did, like plumbing.

897
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: But you know you ruined the blokes business.

898
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, really did. I derailed it. And then you come

899
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: back in the afternoon and you've got like wrestling and

900
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: conditioning out on the field. There's long days, just a

901
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: long just training's hard enough as it is, and then

902
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: the mental fatigue of trying to get yourself up physically

903
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: for like it really makes the whole things around, making

904
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: you appreciative for what you've got.

905
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: So you missed out on well, you must have head.

906
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: No, like Obviously he was lucky enough that we were

907
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: sort of successful enough every year that would be late

908
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: enough start that we didn't do it because I think

909
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: it was only there was always new guys who came

910
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 3: into the club. And obviously, as I said, I came

911
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: in in January, so I sort of missed that pre

912
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 3: Christmas period. So it just the time he's never worked

913
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: out that I was able to do it.

914
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: So, boys, tell me about the army camp, right, so

915
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: new players, everybody's got to do the Army Camp. I

916
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: spoke to Craig a couple of years ago in an

917
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: interview and he told me he said, the best guy

918
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: he gave he gave kingy a rap. Who's Josh King?

919
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: Josh King at the club. He said he was very

920
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: good in the Army camp. And he said, but the

921
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: best of the best who ever did it, was Dalfinugan. So, boys,

922
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: first time he never mentioned you. Sorry, so I'll ask you, actually,

923
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: i'll ask you first coup.

924
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: But tell us about your experience.

925
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: I heard you ended up naked.

926
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: Did I end up naked? Chaf Oh yeah yeah, So

927
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: I now as it was myself, Harry Grant, Brandon Smith,

928
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: Paps was on it, Pap of Hours, and that Tino

929
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: Tino fars similar how we he was on it as well.

930
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: We had a really young crew. It was like the

931
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: youngest tree that ever done. And we were getting absolutely hammered,

932
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: and I got really bad chafe in between my legs.

933
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: And there's one of the nights where you know about this,

934
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: where you do the Big Walk and you just do

935
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: a walk for like four hours in the dark, and

936
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: there's just a glow stick above you, and it's just

937
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: you're not that to talk. It's like the silent Walk,

938
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: and there's people in the bushes watching if you say anything,

939
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: and you're just walking on your own, following like just

940
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: in circles for hours, everyone together, everyone together, but everyone's

941
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: about fifteen meters apart, so you're just looking at the

942
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: glow stick in front of.

943
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: Him, so you can't be seen or heard like that.

944
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: And when you don't have.

945
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: Any okay aout the silent war. Yeah, so they're just

946
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: kind of like spacey out and I my chafe got

947
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: so bad. To be fair, cheese had chafed between his

948
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: ass and one stage I was walking past and there

949
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: was someone wiping vasso in between his ass cheeks trying

950
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: to get it. But for the last two hours, I

951
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: went fucking bug of this and I just pulled my

952
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: and I was my skins down and I was just

953
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: completely nude, and I had my skins out of my thing,

954
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: and I was just walking through and I remember speaking

955
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: to her the boys, saying, I just remember this bare

956
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: white ass with the glow stick like was just kind

957
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: of bobbing up and down. And belly ache was behind

958
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: a tree at one point, and I was walking past

959
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: this tree and I just heard it go, just laughing.

960
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: I kind of looked back and he was just pre

961
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: because he always tries to stay hidden. He was just

962
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: peering out looking at my balls yourself doubt, did you

963
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: did you?

964
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: Did you keep my clothes on? Okay? Yeah, it was

965
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: It was what I did. I did in my second

966
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: year there, because obviously I missed the first opportunity to

967
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: do it. And you know, it's like I remember sitting

968
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: down in the spa the week of having heading into

969
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: the camp, and there's always like a bit of nervous

970
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: out of around. As you know, whenever you've got conditioning

971
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 3: or something going on, there's always whispers and things like that,

972
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: and people telling you stories about what they've done, as

973
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: you sort of just alluded to, and like you're sort

974
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: of asking about, oh do you sleep, do you do this? Like?

975
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 3: And just just sort of picking their brain about everything.

976
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: So I kind of just went into the with the

977
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: mentality of, like, we're not going to sleep for three days,

978
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: which we barely did anyway. And I knew from talking

979
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 3: to the other boys that regardless of how well you

980
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: do everything, how quickly you get on the bus, how

981
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 3: much your backpack ways, because it's got to be twenty killers,

982
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: regardless of any of that you're going to have to do,

983
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: you're gonna get punishments anyway. So I just sort of like,

984
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: and then you're not going to be disappointed when you

985
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: do that, when you get the punishment. So I kind

986
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 3: of just had a bit of a relaxed approach to

987
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: just accept what's coming to us. But yeah, it was.

988
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: It's one of the toughest things I've ever done, like

989
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 3: physically and mentally.

990
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: Going there, going to Melbourne. Not that the Bulldogs don't

991
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: play a scientific style of football, but the Melbourne attack

992
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: is quite complex. And you got Kronk, you got Slaty,

993
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: you've got Smith, you've got Monster and guys that are

994
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: buzzing around and they're playing at that fast, structured pace

995
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: and everyone's got to hit their cues. How did you

996
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: find that, Yeah, it was.

997
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 3: It was interesting Like Craig sort of he just has

998
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: a really simple role for individuals and units within the

999
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: team and just has a high expectation on your individual

1000
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: role and then collectively, you know, whether you're a middle

1001
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: and outside back of Spine member and you know, if

1002
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: everyone's doing those roles the best they can, then you know,

1003
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: the machine sort of works, if you know what I mean.

1004
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: And you know, for me, I just felt like I

1005
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 3: had quite a simple role down there as well, and

1006
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: if I just played my role within the within the system,

1007
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: then you know, things will fall into place for us.

1008
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: And you know, we had, you know, the Spine players

1009
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: that you just spoke about down there. You know, they

1010
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: controlled the game so well and they communicated so well

1011
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: on the field that it just made our jobs so

1012
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: much easier. And you know, we just we didn't really

1013
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: have to think about it.

1014
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 2: What about you and Craig because you and Craig belling

1015
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: me everyone kind of well, the running joke down there

1016
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: was that you were actually related. He was your dad

1017
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: because he took you under his wing and you were

1018
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: his favorite son. Amongst the playing group.

1019
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: You might have confused with Ryan Hinchcliffe and Johnson.

1020
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 2: No, you've got them covered allegedly as well. How quickly

1021
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: did you form that bond with Bellier?

1022
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean from first, from first meeting, Like,

1023
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: I was sort of drawn to it straight away because,

1024
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: as I said, of the honesty that he was so

1025
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 3: upfront about, you know, what it was going to be

1026
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,479
Speaker 3: like when I got there. And you know, I've even

1027
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: since even sort of around you know, my concussion stuff

1028
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: more recently feeling comfortable to have conversations to him completely

1029
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: away from football, whether it's life stuff. I just feel like,

1030
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 3: you know, he's obviously wise, and he's been around the

1031
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 3: game for so long, and I just feel comfortable talking

1032
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: to him about important decisions. And you know, I think

1033
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: just over the course of the seven years that I

1034
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: spent down there, developing that relationship obviously helped with that.

1035
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: There's certainly I've got no doubt that he sues he's

1036
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: attracted the players like yourself, Dallas Johnson, Ron Hinchcliff because

1037
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: he was a guy. And I'm not saying you Blake's,

1038
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, are just work horses and tradesmen, but he

1039
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: played inside the canber Raiders. Stuart Daylor's Daily Clyde Meninger

1040
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: in a star studded side and he just worked his

1041
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: ass off, you know what I mean. And if he

1042
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: knew that, if he didn't work his ass off, then

1043
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to be in the side, so that

1044
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: resonates with him. Okay, Like now, Dale, there's another theme

1045
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: building here. So you lose a ground finaland in twenty

1046
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: twelve lose up one to the Melbourne Storm. You lose

1047
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: it in twenty fourteen, Desius, twenty sixteen you make the

1048
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: third Grand Final and bugger me, your future side Sharks

1049
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: beach out Dale. That's three Grand Final losses in the row.

1050
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: You must have been thinking, I've been taken over these

1051
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: A demon has put a curse on me.

1052
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 3: Well, I think leading into the twenty seventeen Grand Final

1053
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: against the Cowboys, a journalist had made me aware that

1054
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 3: if I if I'd have lost that that Cowboys game,

1055
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: it would have been some sort of Australian record for

1056
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: Grand finals Grand finals played for no wins. So I

1057
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 3: was out of it not to still let that one again.

1058
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: Nervous How how much psychologisally did that play on your brain?

1059
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: Were you actually like shitting yourself?

1060
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: No? It actually it really did it, to be honest,

1061
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: because like I said earlier, I was I was really

1062
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: grateful just to be in them, and I knew that

1063
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 3: they didn't come around easily, even though obviously I was

1064
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 3: fortunate to have three you know, sorry for up until

1065
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. But it was Richard mccaull came in that

1066
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: week to speak to us in after the prelim that

1067
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 3: we'd won before the Cowboys game, and he was sort

1068
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: of I think what he said sort of really resonated,

1069
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 3: where in those other Grand Finals I never really took

1070
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 3: in the atmosphere and like, I actually don't have any

1071
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: real memories of twenty twelve and twenty fourteen, like really

1072
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: nothing on field. It's only in reviewing on video that

1073
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, like I remember that, but

1074
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 3: recollection of things isn't great on those. But he was

1075
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: really sort of spoke about like taking it all in,

1076
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: look at the crowd, find your family, like way sing

1077
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: the anthem, like really embrace everything. And I just feel

1078
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 3: like that sort of took a load off, and you know,

1079
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 3: I didn't have any anxiety around it, and it was

1080
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: probably the most confident I've felt going into particularly a

1081
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: Grand Final. But even a game like given the magnitude

1082
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: of the game, like, I felt more relaxed than I

1083
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 3: normally would feel, and I think it was a lot

1084
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: down to you know what, he said.

1085
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: That that was a great side. When you talk about

1086
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: the greater sides of the Enner Roal era and the

1087
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 1: modern era, that's in the argument that twenty seven side

1088
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: you had was that was particularly in hindsight, you look

1089
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: at where some of those players are now, like Cooper Kronk,

1090
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: Billy Slater, Cameron Smith, Cameron Munster.

1091
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 2: Cooper Kronk obviously left after that and then went act

1092
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: to back with the Roosters, like it's probably the greatest

1093
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: spine in a greend final of all time. And then

1094
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: you've got blokes like Josh Hadowkar, Suliavaru, Jordan McLain was

1095
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: national too, Jay Brom Kenny Tohu Harris.

1096
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean what a player.

1097
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Where where does that side sort of rank in

1098
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: your head?

1099
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? I haven't really reflected on it, to be honest,

1100
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 3: but now you say it out loud, like, you know,

1101
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: three of those players are you know, some of the

1102
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: greatest of all time. And then you know the other

1103
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: guys that you've named like to who's still firing out.

1104
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: It's not like he sort of plaid out and he's

1105
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 3: sort of dropping away. He's still really one of the

1106
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: premier locks of the competition and he was obviously playing

1107
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: back roll at that stage, but he was still one

1108
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: of the best in his position at the time. And Yeah,

1109
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: reflecting on that team we just had we had a

1110
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: really good balance as well, Like we had obviously Timmy

1111
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 3: Glasby on the bench, Sleigh Griffin as well, like some

1112
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 3: really good nels. Nelson was in the Yeah, Nelson was

1113
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 3: in there.

1114
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: And he's playing for North Sydney at the time.

1115
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like we had start side.

1116
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: Boys, let's talk about COVID. The COVID years, which it's

1117
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: away from football is just surreal. But what you guys

1118
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: had to go through it was really funny. We I

1119
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: went over to Miami for the Super Bowl and we

1120
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: stopped back through Nashville and we went to Nashville, LA.

1121
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: Then we came back to Australia. I get the attrition

1122
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: and I get off the plane in Australia at Sydney

1123
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: Airport and there's people in hap hazards. It's all standing

1124
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: there and they're going up and they're asking people about temperatures.

1125
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: Everyone's going, what is what's going on here for you dar?

1126
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: What what was like as far as the team was concerned,

1127
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: What was the first word you blokes got as far

1128
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: as Covid was concerned.

1129
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still remember it was it was really strange.

1130
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: We were in so we had two games, I think

1131
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 3: the Raiders was out around two games that we played,

1132
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 3: and then we've come back into the club and Frequents

1133
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: brought us into the player meeting room and he's just

1134
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 3: sort of let us know that the competition like was

1135
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: on a whole like for an unknown period of time

1136
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 3: and obviously ended up being I think eight weeks all together,

1137
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 3: six to eight weeks, but we didn't know that at

1138
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 3: the time, so he was it was just like you

1139
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 3: just can go home, you can sort of do what

1140
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 3: you want and we'll sort of keep you up to date.

1141
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: Like there was nothing definitive in what we were doing.

1142
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: So it was it was such a strange time. And

1143
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: then you know, following that as well, you probably remember

1144
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: Coops where we ended up going to Aubrey Wudographer.

1145
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was on the border, we couldn't train

1146
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: in Melbourne, so we used to have to drive up

1147
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: to Aubrey to train and then basically you could sort

1148
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: of go back and forth. But that was on a freeway.

1149
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: Period where we had accommodation.

1150
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: Do we have there at some point I remember, I

1151
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: remember we were sitting when everybody got back into Melbourne.

1152
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 2: It felt it was it was probably only a month

1153
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: where we way and then we come back and it

1154
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: felt like we hadn't seen it. It felt like a

1155
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: whole new year. It felt like we had And I

1156
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: remember Karen Smith. Karen Smith came back. He dead set,

1157
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: looked like Hugh Jackman in logan as Wolverine, like when

1158
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: you don't see you for twenty years. He came back

1159
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: with like this big beer, this lumberjack and it was

1160
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: like he had disappeared in a time capsule for years

1161
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: and he come back and he was like, whoever's going

1162
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 2: to whoever handles this period the best, is going to

1163
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: win the camp okay man.

1164
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: We did have throughout that period of six day weeks

1165
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 3: as well. We had like Rubbo the Welfare guy, like

1166
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 3: we I think BP created these connection groups. So like

1167
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 3: every once on a Friday or something like we might

1168
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: grab a beer and like you say, someone would facilitate

1169
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: on the Q and A like a question on zoom,

1170
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 3: So you have forty heads on zoom and then there'd

1171
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: be a Q and A with someone. You might have

1172
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 3: a beer in the end. And then but you'd see

1173
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 3: all the things that people don't like, Oh he's done

1174
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 3: his hair, he's like and he's done this. I was like,

1175
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 3: did be so many different like yeah, facial hairs and

1176
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 3: different things.

1177
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: Zoom parties. Yeah, that was so good.

1178
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: They were so much fun. Even now flash forward, we

1179
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: have to go up to the Sunshine Coast. Melbourne had

1180
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: kind of was complete lockdown zone base. It was like

1181
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: the only state that you couldn't be in rap at

1182
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: the what do you what were your memories from that

1183
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 2: hub that we had going up there?

1184
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 3: Oh? So fun? Like we what was a four months

1185
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 3: and we spent there was Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because

1186
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: you obviously you're living with like you train, like, you

1187
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 3: see plenty of football players as it is like in

1188
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 3: day to day, but then you're living with them, you

1189
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 3: having meals together. Like but the good thing about it

1190
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 3: was like you got to learn everyone's kids' names, all

1191
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: the families, like, so like we bought everyone so much

1192
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: closer together. And we probably were I feel like in

1193
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: an advantage because of that, because everyone else was sort

1194
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: of isolated and it was a bit sort of dire

1195
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 3: for everyone else, but like we had like a little

1196
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 3: bit of freedom against like we were able to still

1197
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 3: use the beach for recovery purposes. Like Twin Waters itself

1198
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 3: was massive, Like the lagoon was probably a kilometer.

1199
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 2: It was like a resort.

1200
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was like there's comack in there. There was

1201
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 3: like heaps of different things you could do. So I

1202
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: was like, in terms of day to day stuff, it

1203
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: was like it was pretty good.

1204
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: I think that's been going to a different club and

1205
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: the sort of couple of years that storm before that,

1206
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: I don't think I'd ever experienced a connection in a

1207
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: team like that as well, like just someone I don't know,

1208
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: I was scissoring with my hands there, sorry, But how

1209
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: close we all got as a group, like we used

1210
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: to do and for culture purposes, like I mean the

1211
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: drink up we used to for a professional sporting team, Jiez.

1212
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: We drunk a lot of piss. We drunk a lot

1213
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: of piss, but had lot you had to because we

1214
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: were going to get mad otherwise.

1215
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: Do you have your twenty first birthday.

1216
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: I had my twenty first birthday out there. Yeah, yeah,

1217
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: thank you for remembering that. Yeah yeah. We had a

1218
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: also debut that year as well, so that was exciting.

1219
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: You came on the zoom and everything. But just like

1220
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: even the storm our Dale when we used to do

1221
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: once a week we do like a cat it was

1222
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: it was basically like the equivalent would be like Sunday

1223
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 2: Night with Maddie John's we did. We basically came up

1224
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: with our own little show once a week and we

1225
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: would sort of everybody would have like a little segment

1226
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: on it.

1227
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 3: It'd be like a lookalike segment. There'd be like a

1228
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: Q and A with Dan, We'd.

1229
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: Have our welfare guy Brian Feeling, who sounds very amature.

1230
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to be compared to this.

1231
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: Well, actually you hosted Dallly M's of your own too.

1232
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 2: Yes. At the end of the year, we did a

1233
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: dally Am Award where we were going through doing the

1234
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: points tally and we had yeah, father of it was

1235
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: that you No, it was my father. Oh yeah, we said,

1236
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: because like you're saying, we sort of understood, We started

1237
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: to understand what people were like as dads and people's

1238
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: wives and everything. Felice Kfusie is probably the worst father.

1239
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,479
Speaker 3: And what he's not a bad father.

1240
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: I love it.

1241
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: He's not a bad father. But he's just not present.

1242
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: He's just never there exposed to me.

1243
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah that's saying something. Yeah he cool. Docs he'd just

1244
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: be out playing cards with all the single boys.

1245
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: All the time.

1246
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: We're like, where's back And you'd see his partner back

1247
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: with three kids. She's juggling three kids and pushing the pram.

1248
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: Hi honey, He's going, hey back, I'll see you later.

1249
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, he was just one of the greatest.

1250
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: I remember his late father, Furz's late father. It was

1251
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: a magic ground and were sitting there and I go

1252
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: up and how you going? He said, oh, this is

1253
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: my dad. So missus Percy, what's going on? And he goes,

1254
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: do you want to beer? He said yep? I said okay,

1255
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: I said what do you After he said, I'd get

1256
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: me a rub and coke, And as I was about

1257
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: to walk off, he goes to to running cake mate.

1258
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: Every time I finished the beer, I'd look over and

1259
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: say you want another one? He goes, yep, two two.

1260
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: I nearly carried us both out of here.

1261
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: What about the Grand Final. What do you remember from

1262
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: that Grand Final?

1263
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,959
Speaker 3: Well, I was pushing it to play the Grand Final.

1264
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 3: I tore my calf sort of mid that year, so

1265
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 3: I sort of touch and go to play. But and

1266
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 3: a bit of an unfamiliar role coming off the bench

1267
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 3: as well at that time, so I was sort of

1268
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,479
Speaker 3: I was sort of a bit of a nervous energy

1269
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 3: at the best of the time. So I was sort

1270
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: of pacing the sideline and you know, getting on the

1271
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 3: bike and just sort of buying time to get get

1272
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 3: on the field.

1273
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: Penrith at this stage, they yeah, they were run.

1274
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: They I don't think it lost to refer sence a

1275
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,959
Speaker 3: round two or three maybe, I think was their first

1276
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: two maybe, and then won the next eighteen or something.

1277
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 3: So they were they were red hot. And I think

1278
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: we got out to a lead like twenty nil at

1279
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 3: half time, and then we scored first half the halftime

1280
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 3: as well, which is always a good good sign that

1281
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 3: you're going to sort of kick on. But then you know,

1282
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 3: twenty six nil. They slowly started clawing back and the

1283
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: last the last kickoff of the game, sorry Nathan Cleary,

1284
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 3: I think it scored a try which made it twenty

1285
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: to twenty six and then we they so we kicked

1286
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 3: off with eleven men, so we had who went to the.

1287
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 2: Bin branded Yeah, I remember josh Man sort of pushed

1288
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: him in the back because she started pretending he was

1289
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: tying his shoelace to buy time and Josh Mantel just

1290
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: pushed him over the side.

1291
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 3: And then we had another man in the bit as well,

1292
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 3: So there was anxiety because we were kicking off with

1293
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 3: eleven man. Just kind they're going to throw the ball.

1294
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: Around here Brisbane know all about that, yeah, and coming back, Yeah, right,

1295
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: let's fork. We had Nathan here, and Nathan now has

1296
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: established himself is the best player in the world given

1297
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: what he's done, He's beat him in that Grand Final.

1298
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 1: What was the plan, Dale Cooper, if.

1299
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 4: You can remember for Nathan Cleary, I'm sure it would

1300
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 4: have been obviously null fine his kicking game, and you

1301
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 4: know that they've got a bit of a unique system

1302
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 4: down there, obviously with their spine obviously that given that

1303
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 4: Isaao plays quite a roving role for him as well,

1304
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 4: So it.

1305
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 3: Was probably not just around Nathan. It was probably more

1306
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 3: around all of their spine players because you know they've

1307
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 3: got threats every and I think if you remember, Isaiao

1308
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 3: put a kick in for a try as well after

1309
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 3: the game. That was was pretty cool.

1310
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 2: I remember the big emphasis was on their back three.

1311
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: That was kind of always the biggest just big threat

1312
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 2: for their to edwards because they used to do such

1313
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: a big job for their forwards and conserving energy.

1314
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: Twenty one tackle bus.

1315
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought I misread that. I thought that was

1316
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: season tackle bus and I thought I was I thought

1317
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 3: he would add more than that, but I was like,

1318
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 3: that was.

1319
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 2: A game yea insane, which had I remember when we

1320
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: spoke to Nathan, Nathan said my career too ever. I

1321
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 2: remember chatting to Nathan. He said that greend final and

1322
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 2: the physicality that like the forwards and the kick pressure,

1323
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 2: and just how everybody was so physical and just doing

1324
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: small things like just pulling his jersey and making him

1325
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: just work that little bit harder. He said he learned

1326
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: so much from that, and the next year when they

1327
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 2: went into preseason, they just adopted all of those methods

1328
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: and put them into their own game.

1329
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, not do you bullied?

1330
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't want to, he said. He said he's

1331
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: never felt bullied like that before and that he never

1332
01:02:59,000 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: wanted to be bullied.

1333
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 3: I think I've heard on the podcast Nathan Speak. I

1334
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 3: think his taboo was against melmsor like, I could be

1335
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 3: wrong at least one of his early games, and I

1336
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 3: think Jesse might have sort of got into his ears

1337
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 3: as well as like I must have put some kick

1338
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 3: pressure on his that it's going to be a long day, bro.

1339
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was this part that the Dale I imagine.

1340
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you before it just slipped

1341
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: my mind. I was going to ask you about like

1342
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: when the Bulldogs suddenly say to you, yeah, they've got

1343
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: a bit sellary cap pressure, mate, we're happy for you

1344
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: to go. That must hurt. But compare that to where Melbourne, mate, Like,

1345
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: you guys have just explained everything you've been through, whereas

1346
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: at the Bulldogs you're a younger player with a lot

1347
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: of tomorrows. Now you're an older player and Craig Bell

1348
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: he says, yeah, Dale, sorry mate, we can't keep you you. Look. Also,

1349
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: how did that feel?

1350
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't. There was never really any discussion around

1351
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 3: we can't keep you. It was just I think that

1352
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 3: the club knew at the time that they're off. I

1353
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 3: couldn't rival another one. And it's not all about either,

1354
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 3: Like for me, that wasn't even priority number one, Like

1355
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 3: being happy at a club was my priority. Number one

1356
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 3: was you can go somewhere for a lot more money

1357
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: in a longer time. But I thought, like you sort

1358
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: of hypothetically think about everything if you go somewhere and

1359
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 3: you're not successful. I know how disappointed I was after

1360
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 3: a loss and how shitty I was for days after it,

1361
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 3: and I just didn't want to feel that way all

1362
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 3: the time. So you know, in my decision of going

1363
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 3: to the Sharks was at the time was I felt

1364
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 3: like it was the most similar to what the Sharks,

1365
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 3: sorry to what the Storm was for what I've spoken

1366
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 3: to Craig fits given about what you'd envisioned for the club.

1367
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 3: So that was sort of the reason around going there.

1368
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: But there was never a discussion about we can't keep.

1369
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 3: It was always just about this is the this was

1370
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 3: sort of what we can do for.

1371
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: You said before, because it's so true when a club

1372
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: wants to sign a player desperately wants it's like, you know,

1373
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: it's basically it's like asking a girl out and a date.

1374
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: They're courting, you're courting. It's all the best you present,

1375
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: your best self to the player. You said about bell

1376
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: actors hit you between the eyes? What about FITSI what

1377
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: a say in terms of in terms of like what club,

1378
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: selling the club, what he had in store for you,

1379
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: what you what he wanted from here.

1380
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 3: So I'd obviously had a relationship with him prior because

1381
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 3: he was a country coach as well, and he was

1382
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 3: the last year the City Country was running he was,

1383
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 3: he was my coach for that and obviously the years

1384
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 3: that I was involved in Origin, so I developed a

1385
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 3: relationship with him, so I knew what sort of person

1386
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 3: he was. I knew obviously he's my era of watching

1387
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 3: rugby league as well, so myself as a teenager watching

1388
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 3: he was one of the guys that I sawt of

1389
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 3: idolized watching as well, so and I knew his defensively

1390
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: mine had given that he was a defense coach at

1391
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 3: the Roosters and all that stuff really played into why

1392
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 3: I wanted to go there. And it was funny talking

1393
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: to Nico about it because Nico signed Pride and myself

1394
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 3: just his vision of I guess how he how he

1395
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 3: wanted the club to be and wanted to be a

1396
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 3: defensive club and all these sorts of things, and I

1397
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 3: remember talking to Nicko and it was almost like two

1398
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 3: little guinea school kids, like how good is this? Like

1399
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 3: this is where we're coming from, Like yeah, we we

1400
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 3: didn't particularly want to leave, but where we're going like

1401
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 3: it's it's it's pretty bloody good. Yeah. And obviously now

1402
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: like having been there for last years, like it's delivered

1403
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 3: in spades and if not more, And you know, I've

1404
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 3: absolutely loved my club at h on the Sharks.

1405
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: Niko Blake Brayley told a story about you and Nika.

1406
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: We're basically I don't know what the superstition, but you

1407
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: wanted you wanted, you wanted to bed and Niko wouldn't

1408
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: move tell us about that.

1409
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 3: Oh so nick I just loves being a pest oft

1410
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 3: the best of times. And we we roomed together when

1411
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: we're at Melbourne as well for a period of time.

1412
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 3: And obviously we roomed together at Melbourne and he knew

1413
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 3: he just wanted to get into the room first because

1414
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 3: he knew that I liked the bed that was closest

1415
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 3: to the bathroom just because I'd always done it. So

1416
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 3: he quickly raced in there and put his put his

1417
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: bag on the bed, and I was like, oh, you know,

1418
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 3: you know what you're doing. And he's like, and I

1419
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 3: was just like, that's that was like that. But and

1420
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 3: he because I knew he was going to give the

1421
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 3: bet up eventually, but he's like, I don't know if

1422
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 3: I said it or he said it, but I was like,

1423
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: we'll wrestle for it.

1424
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: First mistake, nigger.

1425
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 3: We forgot who said it, but yeah, we obviously wrestled

1426
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 3: for it. And why think we threw some like some

1427
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: tables and things sort of like run around a little bit,

1428
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 3: and then yeah.

1429
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: I was saying, well, flog him.

1430
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 3: It was just it was just first to their back

1431
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 3: and then.

1432
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: Well back at back in the day when you go

1433
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: into REP camps the nineties or a waight trips, there

1434
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: was always a double bit a single bit, so you'd

1435
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: walk in and go right. Remember once I was roomed

1436
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: with might have been La Glenn Lazarus was fairly a

1437
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: cervic personality, and I walked in and I've gone, I've gone,

1438
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: so who's gonna get on the double bed? And he

1439
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: just went, fuck.

1440
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 3: What the age there was there? Like a c already think.

1441
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like Laso is probably you know twenty

1442
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: five thirty Origin Games and you're coming in as a greenhorn,

1443
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, fuck off. Okay, there was a famous

1444
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: one in the nineteen seventy eight Kangaroo tour where they

1445
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: went up to the room. It was at the Dragon

1446
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: Aarra Hotel in Manchester, which was shocking. Anyway, Tommy Rodonicus

1447
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: and Stevie Mortimer, they're both halfbacks on the tour. Both

1448
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: Tommy Tommy's like ultra professional. They walk into the Jagonara

1449
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: there's a double bed in single bed anyway, Steve Mortimer

1450
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: Turvy just throws throws his bags on the double bed

1451
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: and layser double bed. Tommy walks in straight after you

1452
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: and looks and goes, grabs his bags, just throws completely

1453
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: out of the window and says that's my bed. And

1454
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: he just went he went I okay, and he said,

1455
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: and after you come up from getting your bags, get

1456
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: me a cup of tea. And Steve Bonber goes, okay,

1457
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: what in one?

1458
01:08:58,760 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 3: All?

1459
01:08:59,000 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: Right?

1460
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 2: Before we before we get into the little menu at

1461
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 2: the end, can you give us an insight into your

1462
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 2: your habit to sprint across the field.

1463
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 3: Before So I've actually asked a little bit about that

1464
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 3: this week.

1465
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: It's very funny it's very good, the seriousness of it

1466
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 2: and the rambow looked that you go going, well.

1467
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 3: It's purely because you know, it's like you warm up

1468
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five minutes pre game and then you

1469
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 3: go on the sheds. Some people have a spew, some

1470
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 3: people have their notos, whatever your little routine is around that.

1471
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 3: It's kind of like you sit around for a little

1472
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 3: bit and there's a bit of downtime. And obviously, you know,

1473
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 3: my first role in the game is going to be

1474
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 3: potentially kickoff, carry or you know, sprinting down the field.

1475
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 3: So it's more or less to just get my head

1476
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 3: back in the game. And I've spoken tor GPS lady recently, sorry,

1477
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 3: and those are my highest speed meters in a game

1478
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 3: is the runout Dale.

1479
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 1: I know what you're doing. You get your.

1480
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 3: Das you've done well.

1481
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: Because you used to do it at training as well,

1482
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 2: Like you put your boots on, you get strapped, put

1483
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: your GPS in and then you just sprint like religiously

1484
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 2: across the horizontally across the field. And I remember Scott

1485
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: Drinkwater used to take it upon himself. He used to

1486
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 2: take it upon himself every single time because you didn't

1487
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: like to be disturbed when you're doing and drink. He

1488
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: would just go dull, scream at you and you can

1489
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 2: fuck off drinking, run alongside you're looking at you and beat.

1490
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: About the GPS things. In Penrith won the comp of

1491
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: two thousand and three and Ryan Girdlis tells the story.

1492
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: He said that their strength and condition they gave him

1493
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: GPS's and said, listen, on your off days, I want

1494
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 1: you to put this on and I want you to

1495
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 1: go and do an extra session and we can see this,

1496
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: so we'll be out to gauge. Yeah, what have you

1497
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: been doing? Your heart rateing? And so you can't cheat.

1498
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: So Girds went to the park and just put it

1499
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: on his dog and they called him in and said, mate,

1500
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,879
Speaker 1: you're fucking working hard.

1501
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 2: But you're accelerated heart rate. You know. Rob Gronkowski, they

1502
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 2: did a thing where go down to the park and

1503
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 2: for three weeks or four weeks in the off season

1504
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 2: you have to film your sessions. So there's three sessions

1505
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 2: a week, film them like film you down there are

1506
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 2: doing like this running thing. And Rob Gronkowski went sweet.

1507
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 2: So he went down just one day with like six

1508
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 2: different outfits and just he'd do an effort and have

1509
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 2: it filmed, and then he'd swap outfits, do it again,

1510
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 2: swap it yeah, and then just was sending it to

1511
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 2: him everywhere. I loved it that first trip he went

1512
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 2: over to Vegas and they actually said they sent us,

1513
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: and they sent Billy Walters, Woodsy Woodsy.

1514
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: Campbell, Graham and spencerl and so went over and they

1515
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: cut halftime this big NFL game. You know, heaps of

1516
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 1: the casino watching. Sudden Gronkowski comes out, He's got the

1517
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: manly jersey on, and how comes Woodsy and mate. Honestly,

1518
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: I'm going, oh, howmbarrassing for the game? Gronkowski looked like

1519
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: an Adonis? And would he look like a Garba? Any

1520
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: superstitions heavy ones.

1521
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 3: I did earlier on in my career. I not a

1522
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 3: whole lot, but I used to have to put my

1523
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 3: mouthguard in my right boot, which is always It was

1524
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 3: always have to say that, partly because I knew always

1525
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 3: where it was like, but partly because I was like,

1526
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 3: if I don't do this, yeah, we sort of meals

1527
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 3: and things like. I always like had to have the

1528
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 3: same pass the night before, trying to think there's any

1529
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 3: other weird.

1530
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: Ones what are this? You're intense, and for you to

1531
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: play your best football, you got to really get your

1532
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 1: head on. You got to the ultra focused. Did it

1533
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: ever irritate you when you're in the sheds and let's say,

1534
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: for instance, you've got Monster and Brand and who are

1535
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,839
Speaker 1: bozoning around and laughing and carrying on. Did that affect

1536
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: you or irritate you?

1537
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: No? Like, I was pretty sort of like I'd have

1538
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 3: my headphones on most of the time, and I sort

1539
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 3: of pretty zoned in on my preparation. But it's funny

1540
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 3: because sometimes that sort of preparation works for some people,

1541
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 3: Like some people like to be more relaxed than and

1542
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 3: you know, a bit jovial as well, whereas I didn't,

1543
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 3: like I didn't personally didn't like for myself to be jovial.

1544
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 3: And then at least until up until I got strapped,

1545
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 3: I would a little bit prior to that, but sort

1546
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 3: of once I would start getting strapped and stretching, I

1547
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 3: was kind of I was pretty serious after that. But

1548
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 3: you kind of always need some of those different dynamics

1549
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 3: in the in the sheds, Like I know, some people

1550
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 3: like to have like music forever one in the sheds,

1551
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 3: like it was a bit of an upbeat sort of thing.

1552
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 3: Some people would just have some teams just have you know,

1553
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 3: headphones only, But I mean, yeah, I feel like you

1554
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 3: kind of need a little bit of a balance.

1555
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you do. The one that used to irritate

1556
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: me the most, and I reckon Dale. You wouldn't have

1557
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of it at Melbourne because belly Ache

1558
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: would police that. But what used to really irritate me

1559
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: once to the point of ground my tooth so much

1560
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: that I chip my tooth was people who would you'd

1561
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: find them laughing thing after a loss in the sheds. Yeah,

1562
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: and I get different personalities, but you look over and

1563
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:07,520
Speaker 1: sellone to be sort of having a giggle.

1564
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 3: And you go, fucking yah. Yeah, I feel like it

1565
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 3: doesn't mean enough to them that they care. And I

1566
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 3: know there's a lot of you're talking about that, you know,

1567
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: postgame if somebody haven't seen it for a while, those

1568
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 3: sorts of things. Yeah, generally, like I like to try

1569
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 3: and well I like to try and do that after

1570
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 3: like sheds or sort of somewhere.

1571
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:27,799
Speaker 1: Else because totally agree.

1572
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 3: I get the perception that goes with it that you

1573
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 3: don't care and things like that, which is not the case.

1574
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 3: Often the case is just that someone's moved clubs that

1575
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 3: you've been at and you haven't seen it for such

1576
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 3: a good that you're really good friends. I get the

1577
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 3: spectacle side of as well, that it doesn't yea valued enough.

1578
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: My thing about it is, I look, I think shake hands,

1579
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: say to think mate, going over shower, let's let's catch up.

1580
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 1: I'll come into the sheds or whatever. Because you've just

1581
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 1: got to understand. Sometimes these people at the at the

1582
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: ground who basically are living right on the bread line,

1583
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: who have scrounged and got their got their membership, got

1584
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 1: their suits and passes. Maybe you bought a jersey for

1585
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 1: their young fellow they really couldn't afford, and their whole

1586
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:14,600
Speaker 1: week depends on happiness or is the side winning. And

1587
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 1: I can imagine sometimes they're on the field and they're

1588
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 1: watching the heroes go around at the end, they're standing,

1589
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, in their shape, having a laugh with the opposition.

1590
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: I just think of it from that perspective, and I

1591
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: think there's just got to be a little bit of

1592
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: an awareness for the players.

1593
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 3: Sometimes, Yeah, I'm with you, like I never liked to

1594
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 3: be seen to be, you know, having fun after a loss,

1595
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 3: like because I generally felt shit anyway, you know. I

1596
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 3: mean like I wasn't sort of so obviously good mates

1597
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 3: with Cookie, say, if they sort of beat us, I'd say, hey, mad,

1598
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you inside. Like it was just like

1599
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 3: a yeah, like a bit of a public perception thing

1600
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 3: as well, like you didn't like you say, like the

1601
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 3: people who scrounge and they this is there, they love

1602
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 3: doing this and coming. It's like you're sort of taking

1603
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 3: that away.

1604
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: From seeing the nightclub after Cookie, I see a kitten.

1605
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 2: A right, let's get pet store. Let's get into a

1606
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 2: little rapid fire menu of questions for you. Okay, what

1607
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 2: three songs have had the biggest impact.

1608
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 3: On you over my life? Yeah?

1609
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: Your life?

1610
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 3: Jeez, that's a very tough question. I reckon early days

1611
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 3: with my old man, like he was really into like

1612
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 3: Eric Clapton. So I really enjoyed like Tears in Heaven.

1613
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 3: I say, Tears in Heaven, That's a great song that

1614
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 3: was really good and like probably one of them, like

1615
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 3: the first sort of complex picking songs that I learned

1616
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:43,480
Speaker 3: when I was younger as well, got sad song yeah,

1617
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 3: di Straights, Like I really enjoyed them growing up as well,

1618
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 3: what's this buddy song?

1619
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: Walk of Life?

1620
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 3: Walk of Life is really good, but no, what's the

1621
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1622
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: Through their greatest hits seriously just.

1623
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 2: So Swiss, Yes, Jack Jack music.

1624
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 3: That would be up there. What's the eight minute one

1625
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 3: that's Brothers not by them?

1626
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 4: There's a Let's Zepplin.

1627
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 3: Let what happened?

1628
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: Like?

1629
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 3: That was another song in terms of like forum a

1630
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 3: guitar point of view learning, because there's so many different

1631
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,600
Speaker 3: like segments of the song those eight minutes. There's like

1632
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 3: a really slow part and then the rocky part of

1633
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 3: the end. It is like so many different parcel word.

1634
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'm calling your professor Dale's forgetting the names

1635
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: of your favorite Yeah, yeah.

1636
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 3: My favorite songs. I just don't know what they.

1637
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: Not your favorite song to perform, Like, if you're going

1638
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 2: to perform for a crowd, what's your favorite song?

1639
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 3: Oh that's a tough question as well. Well, I do

1640
01:17:54,720 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 3: love it is my favorite artist think about a bit

1641
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 3: of a cliche one and it's very popular, but it's

1642
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone loves it.

1643
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a good one, and he loves you

1644
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 2: ed cheering.

1645
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 3: Actually, you know what I was going to say as well,

1646
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 3: do you recall the Don't medley that we had, so

1647
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,520
Speaker 3: the song ed Seeran, it's called Don't You Met That Girl? Yeah,

1648
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 3: Cooper and I sat in my room because he so

1649
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 3: ed Cheron plays that song and most songs go to it.

1650
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 3: So for example, like we were doing an the melody

1651
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 3: of that song that I was playing on guitar, we

1652
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 3: were singing other songs over that melody. So what we

1653
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 3: were singing, what was the eight mile song? We were

1654
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 3: singing like my fresh principle. We actually sat for thirty

1655
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 3: five minutes, you and I with me just playing that

1656
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 3: medley and we call that. Yeah.

1657
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 2: I remember that we were there and it was just

1658
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 2: like because the beats like don't and we were just

1659
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 2: sitting there like just thinking of any song that could

1660
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 2: go with it, for like hours. I think we were high.

1661
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 2: Now Sweet Home Alabama, No, No, that's the only song

1662
01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 2: that didn't.

1663
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: But it's funny is that there's songs that can mash

1664
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: and pull the chords.

1665
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 2: I remember that the four Chord the dudes that did

1666
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 2: the four Chords song, like they did a YouTube video.

1667
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and they just played like the biggest hits

1668
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: and they were just continually using the same riff, to

1669
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: play the same, to play all these different songs. It

1670
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 2: was essentially what we were doing. Who's shut up, mat,

1671
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 2: who's your biggest musical here?

1672
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 3: Well, i'd say, like as you is my favorite artist.

1673
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 3: More recently an Irish fellas Derma Kennedy. I'm surprised he's

1674
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 3: not more world renowned than he is because he's like

1675
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 3: in terms of lyrics like he is just you know

1676
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 3: how these days all the pop music is very cliche

1677
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 3: like he's there's no cliche whatsoever.

1678
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 2: It's very sort of great sound too.

1679
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's got really like great rage all the music.

1680
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:58,839
Speaker 3: I know what I'm talking about.

1681
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,640
Speaker 1: The Irish great writers, poets, James Joyce.

1682
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 2: Niko Hines actually played. I remember Nico played a prank

1683
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,759
Speaker 2: and he really wanted these Dermit Cannedy tickets and Nico

1684
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 2: had the hookup for it, and Dal was like making

1685
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 2: hook me only went yeah, I made I sort it

1686
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 2: for you, got in the tickets and then told the

1687
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 2: girl I can't tell you. Yeah, the lady don't tell

1688
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 2: Dale that they're going to be at like ticket booth

1689
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 2: for And then when he rings, say you don't have them,

1690
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 2: like say you like they're there, but say.

1691
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 3: I had a pre arranged I know how do well? Yeah,

1692
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 3: like so, so I could have got tickets somewhere else,

1693
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,480
Speaker 3: but Nico told me that I could get the tickets

1694
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 3: and then pulled the pin on it. So then the

1695
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 3: ladies because I messaged the lady saying, oh, do you

1696
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 3: have any tickets left? And then she's like, oh, I'm

1697
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 3: so so sorry, and then she's called me and then

1698
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 3: dubbed Nico in on the phone call so that he could.

1699
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 2: And you're at the concert at this point too.

1700
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 3: No, I was at home, but I'd organized Mom to

1701
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 3: come up with the babysitter. She lives in Wollongong, so

1702
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 3: she she was in the car on the way up

1703
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 3: to babysit. And then I was I was filthy with.

1704
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: You are smashing his reputation as mister nice. Yeah, he's

1705
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: coming across as a real.

1706
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 3: Actually you know what. He gave me the shirt Luke

1707
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 3: Combe shirt because he actually got to do a meet

1708
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 3: and greet with Luke Combs and he took Away Graham down,

1709
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 3: but he also could have taken another person down, so

1710
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 3: he felt really bad about not doing it. So he

1711
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 3: gave me a.

1712
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 2: Bit of what what teammate has the worst musical taste

1713
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 2: that you've ever played with. I mean, why is it

1714
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 2: joshadow Car.

1715
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, well all teammates. Yeah yeah, probably a lot of

1716
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 3: the yeah, like a lot of the wrap stuff that

1717
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 3: I wasn't really into. It was like, yeah, I just

1718
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 3: wanted a little bit of old school or even country.

1719
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 3: Now I used to hate country with the passion, but

1720
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 3: now I absolutely love country.

1721
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, Josh be up there Billy doing his BG songs.

1722
01:21:54,640 --> 01:22:00,040
Speaker 1: I'm going down to San France, Massachusetts. He was, I

1723
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: gotta get a message to you.

1724
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: He's going to go. I like their legs tape yeld Chisel.

1725
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: That one was Foxing filming him.

1726
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 2: Doing because he's got the headphones on and he's.

1727
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 1: Doing the bogs. Yeah, what is it.

1728
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: I've just got to get a message.

1729
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: I've course gotta get a message, because when you get

1730
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 1: the headphones on, you sort of think you're in harmony.

1731
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 2: If we've still got it, I'll put it over with

1732
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:29,799
Speaker 2: that just for the listener.

1733
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: And I love the fact because I absolutely love the bogs.

1734
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: And what did what did you say? You said, Oh,

1735
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: the old man likes the bogs and he goes, Yeah,

1736
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 1: I like it, but I don't like any of that

1737
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: disco ship and you go and chee. I'll tell you

1738
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: what you're eliminating a lot of the I'm pretty sure

1739
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: it's most of its disco.

1740
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 3: Call any songs from the North of England. I'll be

1741
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 3: cleaning windows. Do you remember that song?

1742
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: It's fine?

1743
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: You got me, you sent me up.

1744
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 3: I was still going to keep before I came on

1745
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 3: the podcast, and I remember me about that song, and

1746
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 3: I went away and I actually learned the song, and

1747
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 3: then you just never asked me about it again. So

1748
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 3: I was just like George forbye.

1749
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 2: Yes, Dad got drug one night and rang rang us

1750
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: and said, Dale, you've got to learn this song. It's

1751
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 2: and told Dale the whole backstory of it. Dale was like,

1752
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 2: must be Maddie's favorite song. I'll go to all this

1753
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 2: effort and learn it, learn the lyrics. And then Dad

1754
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 2: just must have completely forgotten, forgotten, just never asked him

1755
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 2: about it again.

1756
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: Because George Formby was a wigganer is wiganer who was

1757
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 1: a famous skittle player well well back in the in

1758
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: the fifties. But some of the stuff stands up. It's great,

1759
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: it's a it is a good listen to me, it really,

1760
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: trust me.

1761
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 3: People.

1762
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 2: It is a great song.

1763
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 3: You know I won't learn it.

1764
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 2: We got a couple Mariy, but Dale, can you to

1765
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: send us off? Can you? Can you tell the punters

1766
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 2: the Molly Meldrum story. Oh, your first ever interaction with

1767
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 2: a hero.

1768
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 3: No, because he there was a lot of redemption after that. Oh,

1769
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 3: Lee redeemed.

1770
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's sure. It is good, It's really good.

1771
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:11,520
Speaker 1: What is it involved?

1772
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 2: Just involves Dale getting really reject rejected by Molly. Oh,

1773
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 2: hang on, it was heartbreaking for Dale. It was so

1774
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 2: funny though. There's pretty innocent.

1775
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't want to incriminate him.

1776
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 1: He doesn't need any more incrimination. Molly.

1777
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 2: Dale, thank you very much on the Pody lots of

1778
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 2: fun and Dale listen to May.

1779
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: Congratulations we said him before, but unbelievable career. Mate, There's

1780
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 1: nothing more you could have done, so maybe be satisfied.

1781
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 3: Thanks mate, I appreciate Mate, Thanks for me on guys, send.

1782
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:50,480
Speaker 2: You that invoice.

1783
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: Nice one, Coop what a what a gentleman.

1784
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 2: But never a gentle man as they say, very rough

1785
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 2: and rugged, really good chat. The just lots of good stories.

1786
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 2: Obviously he would have played until he was probably a

1787
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: hundred like if it wasn't for the medical retirement. So

1788
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 2: good to see him happy and in good spirits because

1789
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 2: you're I mean, when I knew he was coming in,

1790
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 2: I kind of thought he, you know, might be a

1791
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: little bit because Rabbi Leagu's been his whole life since

1792
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 2: he was seventeen, so I would have thought it might

1793
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 2: have had a bigger effect on him. But it's good

1794
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,719
Speaker 2: to see he's happy and in really good spirits.

1795
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's way he held himself. He just reminded as

1796
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: he was. We saw him off and he was walking

1797
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 1: across the road. God, he just looks like an old

1798
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: fashioned footballer. It's the sort of guy made I reckon.

1799
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: He just dig holes for the fun of it. Yeah,

1800
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 1: de holes, film in dig holes, film in lay bricks,

1801
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 1: the knock the wall over the lay bricks. Just loves

1802
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 1: hard work.

1803
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not as handy as you might think, really, Dali. Yeah, Yeah,

1804
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 2: he's more of it when he goes home. He's kind

1805
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 2: of the guy you'd imagine him like building a wardrobe

1806
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 2: for his or like a doing hand him out. He

1807
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 2: goes home, plugs his guitar into the amp and just

1808
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 2: sits there and jams out all afternoon.

1809
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: My type of guy.

1810
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1811
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a really good, my kind of lover, good

1812
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 2: on your cops. John's