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Speaker 1: This is the Fits In with Kate Richie podcast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just going over this. What was just anytime I read

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Speaker 1: a headline that says HSC exams, I just get a

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Speaker 1: little bit nervous. I mean I did mine, not very well,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not. I battled through. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if Kate nose mate what was called tr back then?

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Speaker 2: I got a I think I got a teer.

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Speaker 1: What did you get?

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Speaker 2: But you weren't in Sydney though? Were you a nationally.

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Speaker 1: Tertiary entrance ranking? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What did I get? Yeah, well it's none of your business. Well,

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Speaker 2: but I did incredibly well considering I was at school

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Speaker 2: two days week.

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Speaker 1: Wow, if you'd like to gloat, by all means, how

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Speaker 1: did you go? God? I hope I got more than

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Speaker 1: you did. You did, don't worry. Were you in the

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Speaker 1: twenties week? No, or you would have got more than

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Speaker 1: if you were. I got sixteen point six rounded up

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Speaker 1: to seventeen. But it was still a pass, which is

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Speaker 1: we had to complete the course line. We've been over

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Speaker 1: this many menu times.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that you just had to complete it,

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Speaker 3: you just had to be there.

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Speaker 1: I suppose it just rock up to get through.

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Speaker 2: Did you not try. Did you actually answer the questions

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Speaker 2: and get them wrong or did you not attempt?

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Speaker 1: I know I attempted, like I think I just got

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Speaker 1: them wrong, but I didn't really care, so I probably

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Speaker 1: donkey voted a lot of the multiples.

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Speaker 3: It was also hard that he didn't click with any

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Speaker 3: other students, because when you're twenty three and there seventeen eighteen,

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Speaker 3: it's hard to actually have to be on the second level.

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Speaker 1: That was annoying. You know, they were all still living

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Speaker 1: at home and I'd moved out. I was living in

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Speaker 1: Brisbane at the time. Had to fly back to the

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Speaker 1: exertive that we're doing Austradio in Sydney. It was really hard.

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Speaker 1: We're getting in the way. What's fascinating? This headline reads,

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Speaker 1: don't look at me like that.

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Speaker 2: It's just I'm just sitting here thinking and that little

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Speaker 2: number to kind of explain some things. Does it mean no,

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Speaker 2: not about your level of intelligence, but.

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Speaker 1: About please don't feel sorry for.

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Speaker 2: Me, maybe how you feel about the world.

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Speaker 1: It's just Scott heavy, didn't it.

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Speaker 2: And you're placing it where you sit. But we don't

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Speaker 2: need to talk about that now.

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Speaker 1: I want to do The seven hundred students were caught

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Speaker 1: cheating in the exams last year seven hundred, How are

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Speaker 1: you doing it these days? It wasn't just the exams

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Speaker 1: that you were sitting, it was also the assessments that

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Speaker 1: were done at home, so assignments that were done. And

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Speaker 1: they've put it down to one piece of technology which

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Speaker 1: it looked like a truckload of kids just went to

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Speaker 1: and it's called chat GPT. So all these assignments were

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Speaker 1: coming in and they were all the same because people

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Speaker 1: are just typed in the same thing. They literally just

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Speaker 1: typed in and put into chat GPT the exact question

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Speaker 1: that was asked, so they got like five hundred of

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Speaker 1: the same answer. At least sheat using your brain and

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Speaker 1: mix it up a bit. In twenty four ten, how

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Speaker 1: did you cheat? What was your way forward? So you

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Speaker 1: had your little scam working and you're able to get

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Speaker 1: through with a better mark than maybe you could have.

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Speaker 3: I was always taller than everyone else, and that was

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Speaker 3: a really that was a massive ADVANTA would have been

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Speaker 3: well just to look over people's shoulders. And I had

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Speaker 3: good eyesight.

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Speaker 1: As well, you need them.

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Speaker 3: And I was also quite smart, street smart in the

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Speaker 3: sense that you know, I would have my group of friends.

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Speaker 3: But then I would also I befriended the nerds, so

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Speaker 3: I you know, I always got along with them well.

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Speaker 3: And Mum would always a very hearty lunch that I

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Speaker 3: would have that I would offload to suit.

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Speaker 1: That's good, that's good.

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Speaker 3: And they would always look after me when it came

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Speaker 3: to test time. And that was just something as simple

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Speaker 3: as Kate, if you're sitting next to someone, if they

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Speaker 3: could just roll their shoulder back a little bit and

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Speaker 3: just put their answers in a little bit bigger than usual,

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Speaker 3: it's easy to read.

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Speaker 1: Similar to the story we told the other day about

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Speaker 1: the girl what was at school and she was being bullied.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, one of the kids who was

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Speaker 1: popular in the class, who was no good at his work, said, hey,

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Speaker 1: then he went over to her and said, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'll keep the bullies away if you get my homework done.

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Speaker 1: There's always away. There's always away. There wasn't for me,

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Speaker 1: but outside of that, there's always a way. So what

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Speaker 1: did you get for your to Kate Richie, Now that

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Speaker 1: I've embarrassed myself thirties, I don't talk about thirties or forties. Oh,

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Speaker 1: way higher than that. I don't talk about religion.

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Speaker 3: Yet.

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Speaker 1: What you get paid you? The three things are they?

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Speaker 2: Yep? Agricultural a selective agricultural school. So please don't say

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Speaker 2: that because it was agricultural had all the dumbos from

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Speaker 2: the bush.

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Speaker 1: So why did you so?

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Speaker 2: What did you did?

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Speaker 1: You specialize in a certain area?

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Speaker 2: Well, like top agriculture in y E. Number one in

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Speaker 2: the grade. You could run a farm, I could give

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Speaker 2: it a good crack.

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Speaker 1: What about this answer? This for me? Kate, my love a.

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Speaker 2: Farmer was going to grow up and marry the boy

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Speaker 2: that wore the moleskins.

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Speaker 1: Farmer wants a wife. I'm an away wants a farmer.

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Speaker 1: Actually she does. It's pretty consistent.

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Speaker 3: Farmer wants a former child star.

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Speaker 1: An adult classify.

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Speaker 2: I'm so much more than a former child.

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Speaker 3: We don't know how much more you are because you

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Speaker 3: won't tell us your.

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Speaker 1: Tea still, Robin Monavar, we want to. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: school cheating and exams. Seven hundred kids were caught cheating

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Speaker 1: in their HC exams last year. Robbie got a story

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Speaker 1: about a dad helping his son. Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was I think he was a cleaner at

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Speaker 5: the school, got hold of the exam, copied it, gave

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Speaker 5: it to his son, who then distributed it to like

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Speaker 5: six of his mates.

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Speaker 6: They all got caught, weren't punished, which is somewhat surprising,

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Speaker 6: and then the whole one hundred and fifty boys in

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Speaker 6: this AHSC year had to resehit the exam. They were

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Speaker 6: all pretty ropeable, as you could imagine, and they weren't allowed.

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Speaker 6: There wasn't allowed to be any sort of recriminations against

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Speaker 6: these students that did actually cheat and got caught.

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Speaker 5: So it was pretty ordinary.

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Speaker 1: But Rob, good idea. I mean we talk about angles.

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Speaker 1: If someone was to dress up as a cleaner and

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty good inn isn't it. What's right? What

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Speaker 1: a se angle of getting in there and see what

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Speaker 3: Rob? Do you think that there? Do you think the

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Speaker 3: discipline was they did? They didn't discipline these kids and

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Speaker 3: the father, but they because the rest of the class

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Speaker 3: or the year level had to reset the set.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: That was punishment enough for them?

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Speaker 6: The whole year had to well, if any of the

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Speaker 6: other students had a crack at these guys who cheered,

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Speaker 6: they were going to get punished themselves.

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Speaker 5: So I thought that was pretty unfair.

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Speaker 3: I think the moral question we have to ask ourselves here.

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Speaker 3: If you were the cleaner and the father, you see

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Speaker 3: the exam, do you give it to your son?

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Speaker 1: No, you don't.

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Speaker 2: You're not helping them in the long run.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think the most important point to

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Speaker 1: make with this discussion is that your school mark doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean everything. It doesn't mean much there days. I'm a

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Speaker 1: bit against the system, guys. I'm a bit of a

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm a bit of a free spirit,

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Speaker 1: you know me.

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Speaker 2: Well, thankfully they've.

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Speaker 1: Broken out against the establishment. I'm loose.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that as a son, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not a son or a father. But teaching your son

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Speaker 2: that the only way to get ahead is to cheat,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's a difference.

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Speaker 1: Was coming to you and she said, I'm so nervous

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Speaker 1: about these exams, and you had a copy of the exams?

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Speaker 1: What are you going to do? Absolutely give it to.

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Speaker 2: Her, never ever give her. Do you know what I

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Speaker 2: would say to her, I'd say, it's okay, your feelings

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Speaker 2: are normal, and then your feelings to have You're allowed

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Speaker 2: to feel nervous about this.

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Speaker 1: But the question the answer to multiple questions, I'd say,

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Speaker 1: do you.

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Speaker 2: Know what you are enough? Regardless of how you do

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Speaker 2: in this.

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Speaker 1: Exam, you've got something on the topic.

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Speaker 4: Kind of the opposite though, So I've just found this online.

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Speaker 4: A school in the Philippines has gone to great lengths

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Speaker 4: to stop their students in an exam cheating.

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Speaker 2: So it's use.

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Speaker 4: It's asked each of the students to create pop up

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Speaker 4: culture hats.

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Speaker 1: Like an anticheating an anti.

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Speaker 4: Cheating hat, but like get as creative as you like,

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Speaker 4: and the only sort of prerequisite was that it had

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Speaker 4: to cover your peripheral visions.

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Speaker 1: So burformers.

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Speaker 4: There was a ride in minecraft head and the teacher

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Speaker 4: said that they would get a bonus point for creativity.

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Speaker 3: You would have got one, and you would have got

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Speaker 3: one in your exam with turned up.

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Speaker 1: In a bike helmet, you might have hit double digits. Marshmallow,

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Speaker 1: what a micill?

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Speaker 3: Everyone in his leather mask and a zip on sits.

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