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Speaker 3: It's Monday, June twenty four. Parliament will be back in

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Speaker 3: com dot AU. A Westfield shopping center in Adelaide was

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Speaker 3: young men were potentially armed when the clash occurred. The

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Speaker 3: daughter of missing Lennox Head woman Bronwyn Winfield didn't want

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Speaker 3: her stepfather to know she'd made a formal statement to

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Speaker 3: investigation by the Australian's National Chief correspondent Hedley Thomas is

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Speaker 3: shedding light on Crystal's last memory of her mother that's

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Speaker 3: in today's episode. In nineteen ninety nine, Crystal Winfield was

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Speaker 3: evening of Sunday May sixteen, nineteen ninety three. Bronwin's mysterious

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Speaker 3: disappearance is the subject of a podcast investigation by The

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Speaker 3: Australian's National Chief correspondent Hedley Thomas, and revelations made in

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Speaker 3: the latest episode have cast Crystal's recollections of that night

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Speaker 3: in a sinister new light. The episode, titled Did Judy

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Speaker 3: Bronlin podcast dot Com. Kerry Maclin plays a pivotal role

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Speaker 3: in this latest episode. She connected Headley with Judy Singh,

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Speaker 3: a former neighbor of the Winfields, whose explosive account of

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Speaker 3: Kerry MacLean also opened her home up to a then

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Speaker 3: It was Kerrie who took Crystal to the nearby Ballina

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Speaker 1: I have attended the Ballana Police station today again of

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Speaker 3: Cristal gave her statement to Detective Sergeant Glenn Taylor years

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Speaker 3: Cristal says in her statement that she was at home

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Speaker 6: And then in the statement to Detective Glenn Taylor, she stayed,

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Speaker 3: When Kristal Winfield attended Ballina Police Station to make a

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