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Speaker 1: quote one of the worst nights of carnage. Roaming vandals

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Speaker 1: damaged more than sixty cars, smashed hundreds of windows and

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Speaker 1: So you wonder what difference, if any, the election result,

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Speaker 1: the change of government from Labor to the Liberal Party

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Speaker 1: joins me now, Matt, good morning, thanks for your time.

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Speaker 2: Once more, good morning, thanks you for having me.

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Speaker 1: That sounds a terrible night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was you know, it was a

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Speaker 2: very difficult night to deal with. Ultimately, we had the

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Speaker 1: Are people leaving Alice as a result of all of this,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly are. I mean the long term residents

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Speaker 2: But we'll see what the weekend brings with the change

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Speaker 1: Well, the new Chief Minister has already sat down with

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Speaker 1: order has been the campaign issue. Do you expect things

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it was the number one issue.

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Speaker 2: obviously August now we vote here because of I can't

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know people will voted for change, but

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Speaker 2: it has been a massive swing to the COLP, but

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Speaker 2: But you know the interesting part as well is in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, but this is what people want

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Speaker 1: What have the Coop said they'll deliver? How will they

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Speaker 2: Are they going to a sentence to a skill? I

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Speaker 1: And it can't be undone in a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So what are you doing in the town today,

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Speaker 1: So perhaps community football events move out of Alice. Is

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Speaker 2: Well, last year we did. We did pause it and

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Speaker 1: I see people saying cost of living was a big

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the economy sort of the you know,

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Speaker 2: it turn rather than later.

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Speaker 1: All right, And population, Matt, where's it at at the moment?

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're about the same, mate, We've been pretty stagnant.

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Speaker 2: That The frustration is though We've got a subdivision that's

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Speaker 1: Unreal. Matt, thank you for your time this morning. I

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Speaker 2: Thank you, good on you, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Matt Patterson, mayor of Alice Springs, spoken to him a

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Speaker 1: change of government in the territory now, and there's two

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Speaker 1: well it's probably a bit of both to be realistic,

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Speaker 1: They've spoken with him a few times as well. Action

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Speaker 1: for Alice Darren Good Morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning mate, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm all right? How's how's the cleanup? I mean, this

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Speaker 3: It's the worst i've scene. I just heard you heard

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I got called out. My business have been

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Speaker 3: They got inside, they smashed every window in thirty cars.

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Speaker 3: As the mayor said, I have not seen anything like

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Speaker 3: that is that was just as bad. Then in town

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Speaker 3: they've just smashed the windows a shop, super chief order

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Then the proof was there. Then they called a misinformation

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Speaker 3: and just mind boggling. So there is has been a

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Speaker 3: the people are pitying their hopes that people may now

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Speaker 3: defer their plans of leaving because everyone's got an exit

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Speaker 3: plan here. Massive, everyone's got a plan, and that's the

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Speaker 3: sad part. You can't plan your life. And we love

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Speaker 3: I showed around and I go, how beautiful is this place?

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Speaker 2: That's right, That's.

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Speaker 3: Why we stay. We stayed for the beauty of the place.

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Speaker 3: We stayed for the community spirit that we've got. I

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Speaker 3: the detectives have been, the Glazier's journals. Every one was here.

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Speaker 3: They all left and I say that sold by myself, mate,

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Speaker 3: And I sat there and you just start to have

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Speaker 3: where the hell does this stop? Am I doing the

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Speaker 1: Somebody?

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Speaker 2: Mate?

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Speaker 1: Got a question here, Darren, somebody asking don't the businesses

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Speaker 1: in Alice have electronic blinds coming down to protect windows?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've been done. I've been done that many

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Speaker 3: I've had cars driven through. I had a car driven

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Speaker 3: roller shutters in. They go, don't waste your time because

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Speaker 3: what they're doing they leave the drive through it, or

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Speaker 3: other week a lot of high tech cutting equipment from

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: They can get in anywhere, mate, So roller shutters doesn't

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Speaker 3: say anything. I went through the sub ed the other

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Speaker 3: morning and they're inside of business. They just script roller

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Speaker 3: like it's like an organized ring. This is they're very

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Speaker 3: it's not just a smash and grab, but they know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Darren, look, thank you for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not good Action for Alice business owner Darren Clark. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll speak again and hopefully you'll be on

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Speaker 1: a better, better day Darren, where maybe things have improved,

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Speaker 1: you'd hope.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, thank you, yeah mate, thank you buddy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Darren Clark Action for Alice. You'll find him

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Speaker 1: on Facebook.