WEBVTT - Anthony Albanese's long held hopes for Palestinian statehood

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Daniel James and you're listening to seven Am.

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Albanesi has been waiting decades to recognize a Palestinian state. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as countries like France, Canada and the UK all declare

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<v Speaker 1>their own intentions to do so, the Prime Minister is

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<v Speaker 1>weighing up how Australia will respond. It's a delicate balance

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<v Speaker 1>with competing pressures from within his own party and an

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<v Speaker 1>opposition denying there's a starvation crisis in Gaza Today. Press

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<v Speaker 1>Gallery veteran Paul bon Jorno on the growing political momentum

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<v Speaker 1>behind the case for statehood and the private phone calls

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<v Speaker 1>shaping Albanese's plans. It's Friday, August one, Paul. The push

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<v Speaker 1>for Palestinian statehood by Australian politicians goes way back. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you take me back to the lateties, to the formation

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<v Speaker 1>of the Parliamentary Friends of Palestine group? He was in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's quite fascinating to see the history of the

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<v Speaker 2>Parliamentary Friends of Palestine, founded in the nineteen nineties, as

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying, by a backbencher, young backbencher called Anthony Albernizi

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<v Speaker 2>and a new junior minister in the Howard government called

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Hockey. Now Hockey's very interesting. He is the son

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<v Speaker 2>of Armenian refugees that fled Turkey and they fled to Palestine.

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<v Speaker 2>So the two of them formed the Parliamentary Friends of Palestine,

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<v Speaker 2>and a couple of years later, when Susan Lee joined

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<v Speaker 2>the Parliament after defeating the Nats for her seat of Pharah,

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<v Speaker 2>she too joined the Friends of Palestine. People don't know this,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's the daughter of a British intelligence agent who

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<v Speaker 2>has a child, spent time in the Middle East, and

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<v Speaker 2>she had a working knowledge of Arabic as a child.

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<v Speaker 2>Susan Lee in two thousand and three said, for those

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<v Speaker 2>of us who look forward to an independent Palestinian state

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<v Speaker 2>and wish to advance the cause of viable sovereign statehood,

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<v Speaker 2>this group, that is the Parliamentary Group, gives us an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to hold out the hand of friendship, understanding and trust.

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<v Speaker 2>So that background is fascinating, and it also gives color

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<v Speaker 2>to why a lot of people were scratching their heads

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<v Speaker 2>at a news conference on Tuesday when she refused point

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<v Speaker 2>blank about four or five times to say there was

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<v Speaker 2>starvation in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I just move on?

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<v Speaker 4>Now I've said, I'm very distressed by the images that

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you believe that that's evidence and Stuffy?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a complex situation on the ground. Like everyone, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very distressed by the images I've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>So Albanez has wanted a two state solution for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, Paul, But how has his government balanced that

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<v Speaker 1>since October seven with not wanting to reward her mass

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<v Speaker 1>for a horrific terrorist attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what we've seen is the Albanesi government. He and

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<v Speaker 2>Penny Wong. By the way, Penny Wong was a big

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<v Speaker 2>mover getting the Labour Party at its national conference in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one to say that an incoming Labor government

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<v Speaker 2>should move quickly to recognition of a state of Palestine.

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<v Speaker 5>It reflects our belief that Israelis and Palestinians deserve to

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<v Speaker 5>prosper in peace behind secure and recognize borders. It reflects

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<v Speaker 5>our belief that a true friend of Israel is a

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<v Speaker 5>true friend of the rights of Palestinians to statehood.

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<v Speaker 2>That incoming government, of course, is the Albanesi government. Now

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<v Speaker 2>with Wong as the Foreign Minister.

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<v Speaker 6>We continue to call for a ceasefire, We continue to

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<v Speaker 6>call for hostages to be released. We continue to say

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<v Speaker 6>that har Mask can have no role in a future

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<v Speaker 6>Palestinian state, and we continue to call for aid to

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<v Speaker 6>be allowed to the people of Gaza. Every innocent life matters.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have a formal alliance with Israel, but we

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<v Speaker 2>have been very close to Israel, and in fact the

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<v Speaker 2>Australian government under the Australian Labor Party in nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight rather played a key role in the United Nations

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<v Speaker 2>in the founding of the state of Israel. So all

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<v Speaker 2>of that would weigh heavily on an Australian Prime minister,

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<v Speaker 2>even one like Albanizi, who is under if you like,

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<v Speaker 2>riding orders and agrees with these riding orders to quickly

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<v Speaker 2>advance the recognition of Palestinian statehood. Alberanizi says that whatever

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<v Speaker 2>is done must be more than slogans.

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<v Speaker 6>What we have from some of the campaign that has

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<v Speaker 6>taken place is slogans, and what we are about is

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<v Speaker 6>meaningful action.

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<v Speaker 2>But what we saw this week, of course, was an

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<v Speaker 2>uppying of the ante where on a Wednesday, Australian joined

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen other nations calling for an immediate recognition of the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Palestine. When the United Nations General Assembly gathers

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<v Speaker 2>in September.

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<v Speaker 6>We have signed a statement today, another statement with many nations.

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<v Speaker 6>That statement, I think has a number of things in

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<v Speaker 6>it that are important.

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<v Speaker 2>It was noted, for example, by the fourteen Nations that

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<v Speaker 2>the Palestinian authority calls for the liberation of hostages and

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<v Speaker 2>importantly the disarmament of hamas, commits to terminate the prison

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<v Speaker 2>payment system, commits to schooling reform. This goes to the

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinians being willing not to teach their children that the

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<v Speaker 2>fate of Israel should be for all the Jews to

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<v Speaker 2>be driven into the sea. And commits to hold elections

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<v Speaker 2>within twelve months.

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<v Speaker 6>What we will continue to do is to put forward

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<v Speaker 6>a principal position consistent with our unwavering commitment to the

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<v Speaker 6>vision of the two State solution.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, France, a leading G seven nation, led the charge

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<v Speaker 2>with an unconditional statement that it would recognize Palestine in

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<v Speaker 2>the UN in September.

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<v Speaker 3>In relation to the two state solution and the recognition

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<v Speaker 3>of Palestine, that this has been long starting Labor Party policy.

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<v Speaker 3>It was in our manifesto we talked about the right

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<v Speaker 3>of the Palestinians to recognition.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the United Kingdom Kiirs Starmer came out and

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<v Speaker 2>said that the UK two would join France in doing this,

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<v Speaker 2>but put some conditions on the recognition. I was.

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<v Speaker 6>In contact with Prime Minister Starmer overnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Alban Is, in a news conference on Wednesday, revealed that

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<v Speaker 2>he'd been talking to Starma about these things.

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<v Speaker 6>What I've said is that it's not the timeline, it's

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<v Speaker 6>not what we're looking at. What we're looking at is

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<v Speaker 6>the circumstances where recognition will advance the objective of the

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<v Speaker 6>creation of two states.

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<v Speaker 1>So how's the push by France and others being received

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<v Speaker 1>in the Middle East?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, on Thursday there was further news that key surrounding

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<v Speaker 2>Arab states also support these views and will recognize Israel

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<v Speaker 2>as a legitimate state within the Middle East. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of movement that in the past has blocked

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<v Speaker 2>European nations friends of Israel from pushing for a Palestinian state.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is obviously going to put enormous pressure on Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>The Trump administration in recent days has been critical of

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on in Gaza, but the United States doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>back calls for immediate recognition. Donald Trump on Force one

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<v Speaker 2>as he returned from his golfing holiday in Scotland, he

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<v Speaker 2>told journalists that this would reward Harmas. So you're rewarding

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas if you do that, and I don't think they

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<v Speaker 2>should be rewarded. So I'm not end that gap, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest. And of course that's the line that the

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<v Speaker 2>Nitan Yahoo government.

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<v Speaker 1>Takes after the break starvation in Gaza and the people

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<v Speaker 1>saying it's not real if we go to the immediate

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<v Speaker 1>humanitarian crisis in Gaza now, Paul, particularly the hunger crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>Last weekend, Anthony Eberanezi called out Israel for breaking international

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<v Speaker 1>law by withholding AID.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, quite clearly, it is a breach of international law

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<v Speaker 6>to stop food being delivered, which was the decision that

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<v Speaker 6>Israel made in March.

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<v Speaker 1>How were his his comments received in Israel well?

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<v Speaker 2>Interestingly, the Prime Minister repeated that he warned the President

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel, Herzog in May when they were both at

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<v Speaker 2>Francis's funeral, that what Israel was doing and the way

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<v Speaker 2>it was doing it, it was losing international support.

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<v Speaker 6>People who are friends of Israel have to be able

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<v Speaker 6>to say what you are doing is losing support, and

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<v Speaker 6>that is what is happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Benjamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, denied there was

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<v Speaker 2>starvation in Gaza, and the Israeli Embassy in Canberra on

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<v Speaker 2>Monday held a briefing for press gallery journalists where the

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy ambassador repeated this view that there was no starvation,

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<v Speaker 2>that it's based on misrepresentation and the falsification of images.

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<v Speaker 2>And on top of the Prime Minister of Israel's comments,

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<v Speaker 2>the Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Sah in direct response to

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<v Speaker 2>a question put to him in Jerusalem by an ABC

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<v Speaker 2>Australian journalist, he said that Alberizi himself was lying.

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<v Speaker 6>So the Prime Minister Albinizi said that Israel was quite

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<v Speaker 6>quite clearly reaching international law by beholding aid from Sadiliens.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a lay.

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<v Speaker 2>Alberanzi told his labor caucus in response to that that

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<v Speaker 2>it was beyond comprehension. The other thing that's beyond comprehension, Daniel,

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<v Speaker 2>is this quibbling over the images that we're seeing. There's

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<v Speaker 2>quibbling led by the Murdoch media that that image of

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<v Speaker 2>the emaciated child in its mother's arms that David Spears

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<v Speaker 2>on Insiders showed the Prime Minister was somehow docted because

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<v Speaker 2>it was later revealed that this child had a precondition.

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<v Speaker 2>This sort of quibbling, well, it certainly disgusts me.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, in the first instance, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>conflicting reports now coming out of Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>And we saw an amazing example of it coming from

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<v Speaker 2>not only Mechaalia Cash, the shadow Foreign Minister.

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<v Speaker 4>The moral obligation here lies directly at the foot of

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<v Speaker 4>the terrorists. Hummus, they started this war.

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<v Speaker 2>But her colleague Dan Tien went on ABC Radio and

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<v Speaker 2>he said that Harmas was solely responsible for what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 6>The problem all along has been an internationally listed terrorist

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<v Speaker 6>organization HAMAS.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, look, this is really the old argument of look

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<v Speaker 2>what you made me do? I mean, it is simply

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<v Speaker 2>incredible and one has to wonder why is the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>federal opposition taking such a blinked response to what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in Gaza and a refusal, even as a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel, to say to it, as your friend, please

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<v Speaker 2>stop it. I frankly myself can't see that there is

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<v Speaker 2>any for example, electoral advantage for the position that they've taken.

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<v Speaker 2>And the recent federal election shows that that the seats

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<v Speaker 2>that had quite high Jewish voter population in them didn't

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<v Speaker 2>all rush back to the Liberals as they thought they

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<v Speaker 2>would for the stand that was taken.

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<v Speaker 1>And now and easy. He's facing pressure from within his

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<v Speaker 1>own party, both from people like Edi Husick but also

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<v Speaker 1>from the Labour friends of Israel. And we heard that

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<v Speaker 1>this week the PM met with the Executive Council of

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<v Speaker 1>Australian Jury. Do we know what he said in that,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning Paul, and how he's handling these competing positions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, there's been no official briefing of that meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>The Executive Australian Jury are the most stridently outspoken supporters

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel. Their statements and publications welcome the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Albanzi is upping Australia's relief effort for Gaza, but they

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<v Speaker 2>do quibble with the Prime Minister over definitions of the

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<v Speaker 2>legality of what Israel is doing in international law. We

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<v Speaker 2>can only assume that Albanezi gave a hearing to these

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<v Speaker 2>Australian Jewish leaders but also left them in no doubt

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<v Speaker 2>as to what his position is.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, Paul, this issue has totally overshadowed Anthony Albanez's

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<v Speaker 1>domestic agenda this week. But politically speaking, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>think he's weathering this well.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, polling before the federal election showed around sixty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of Australian support what the Albanesi government's doing in response

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<v Speaker 2>to the Middle East crisis. The election result would tend

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<v Speaker 2>to confirm that, and we've seen opinion polls in general

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<v Speaker 2>just on the way the government is traveling that showed

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<v Speaker 2>that the government's a good twelve or thirteen points ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of the opposition. So that would suggest that if people

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<v Speaker 2>aren't all that happy with what the Albanese's doing about

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli Palestine, it's not affecting their views of the government

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<v Speaker 2>very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul, thanks so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Daniel, great to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news, Independent Senator Lydia Thorpe put forward

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<v Speaker 1>a motion in the Senate on Thursday paying tribute to

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<v Speaker 1>the seventeen First Nations people who had died in custody

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<v Speaker 1>this year and paying respect to their families. The motion

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<v Speaker 1>comes after the latest Closing the Gap report reveals only

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<v Speaker 1>four of the nineteen targets are on track to be

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<v Speaker 1>met by twenty thirty one. We'll have an in depth

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<v Speaker 1>look at the findings of the report next week, and

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<v Speaker 1>the ABC is calling on Israel to allow international journalists

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<v Speaker 1>into Gaza. ABC News director Justin Stevens has released a

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<v Speaker 1>statement saying the public broadcaster has repeatedly tried to get

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<v Speaker 1>reporters into Gaza since October seven, when Israel block international

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<v Speaker 1>journalists from operating independently in the strip. Since then, reporting

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<v Speaker 1>from Gaza has been largely conducted by freelance journalists. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the Committee to Protect Journalist, at least one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty six journalists and media workers, mostly Palestinian, have

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<v Speaker 1>been killed in Gaza while doing their jobs. Seven Am

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<v Speaker 1>is a daily show from Solstice Media. Is made by

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<v Speaker 1>Atticus Bastow, Shane Anderson, Chris Dangate, Ruby Jones, Sarah mcveee,

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<v Speaker 1>Travis Evans, Zotnfad Joe and Me Daniel James. Our theme

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<v Speaker 1>music is by Ned Beckley and Josh Hogan of Envelope Portio.

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<v Speaker 1>Just before we Go, this marks the last show with

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<v Speaker 1>our senior producer, Shane Anderson. Shane has been a great

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<v Speaker 1>colleague and friend and we wish her the very best.

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<v Speaker 1>If you like what we do here, at seven am.

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<v Speaker 1>We would really appreciate your sharing it. Thanks for listening,

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<v Speaker 1>and have a great weekend.