WEBVTT - Payten under the pump 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.080 Big week of NRL. Some clubs two and zero, others 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.440 zero and two. Some people finding new homes for next 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.079 season already after two rounds. Dave Ricchio hot take for 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:10.480 the week. 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:14.280 Oh look, Mobzi ready, this one's got me a little 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.200 bit bothered. And I and you know what, so often 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.239 halves in our game, copp and absolute pasting for what 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.920 they're worth and what they're getting paid and their input. 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.200 And the Titans have got a one point one million 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.280 dollar forward who's sitting on the bench right at the 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.120 Gold Coast Titans in that in their first clash against 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.480 the Bulldogs. And I'm sitting there going, what's happening here? 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.440 The entire preseason to get ready? When you are investing 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.040 that much in a forward and for him to be 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:44.760 sitting on the pine for that long. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.919 I think they're getting flogged as well. 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.240 Getting flogged getting flogged? 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.599 Why did we not see David Fafeta for fifty odd 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:52.720 minutes in that game? 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.000 It's DESI will have his reasons. He'll have his GPS 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.400 numbers on it and all the data on it, and 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:01.960 he'll have his and he's the coach. That's that's as 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:06.120 he's prerogative. But how is that smart management of your 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:10.199 roster and your cap management when you got a highly paid, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.160 influential forward sitting on the bench for that long. I 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.520 want to see a response this weekend from Day for 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:19.880 Feeder and what they played. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.280 They play the Knights right, it's hard to respond the. 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.240 Hopefully well, hopefully hope the response is more minutes right 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.480 and the Titans can respond because I sat in this 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.640 chair last week speaking about why I feel that the 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.280 Titans are a spoon team, and they didn't do much 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:38.639 to change my mind last weekend. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:43.360 They're in a hot field, but definitely yeah concerns. What 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.840 do you think the Roosters are thinking having missed out 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:47.360 on Davidfeeda last season? 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.960 Well, you wonder, surely you know Dave's part of it, 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:56.080 but I would just wonder how much this is a 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.560 coaching decision. You know, would he be used differently at 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.600 the rooster So I hear what you're saying. On the surface, 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.680 that looks like they does the bullet, but you know, 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.000 there's just always so much uncertainty around how to use 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.040 Dapa Furder at the Gold Coast Titans. It's been going 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.400 on for two to three years now. I really want 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.680 to see him be that machine wrecking ball that we 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:18.440 all know he can be. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.839 Yeah, agreed about you read let's get your hot under 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:22.079 the court. 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.320 Well, I was watching the footy on the weekend and 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.079 I like seeing Plass celebrate tries. We all like seeing 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.280 Plass celibate great moments in the game. We going to 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.720 score a try, gets up, does a bit of a dance. 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.400 I saw Christian tipplelo doing these ones doing this. I 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.880 didn't have a problem with it. What's what's the big deal? 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.560 The Blake wants to get paid, he's scoring tries. 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:43.239 Just leave him alone. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.919 Then I see Flannels told him no more, no more celebrations. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.360 So I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed. 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:50.560 As a monarch a little bit. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.520 Blake enjoys footing a catch here. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.520 Ready we went down on the school board at the time. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.640 We explained weeks before against the Dogs. Yes, sorry, mob, 0:02:58.720 --> 0:02:59.040 do you go? 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.519 So I just explained, So christ off contract end of 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.200 this season, no deal for twenty twenty six. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:09.280 Yeah, show me the money, the money I score. He 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.120 wants he needs them bachlor of Qualm to help you. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:14.519 Show me the money. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.640 Well, that's all right, the bloke squad didn't he So 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.280 let's all let's this is a team sport, and if 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.120 if the Dragons that get out of this R and 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.120 two position, they need all hands on deck, focused on 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.320 the team. Bloke's focused on himself, trying to get a contract, 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:31.800 trying to get the love and the and the and 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.280 the support of the fans. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.200 Mate, he's scoring try for fun. He looks like a 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:37.440 team player to me right now. 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.120 Yeah, yeah, of which aren't resulting in victories. 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:47.520 We should be doing this on this show. Heys, what's doing. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.920 Actually, I'll join We're all doing it. 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.840 Listen if there's two vacancies on these seats next week. 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.000 I had nothing to do with this. Look. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.120 I love a try celebration. Absolutely, don't think I'm yeah, 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.040 I'm doing Santa Claus. He was a time and a 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:06.040 place though, and they're not going that well at. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:07.600 The time of the places. After you put the. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:08.240 Ball down. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:10.440 After the game. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:11.920 I liked it after the victory. 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:13.440 I like a bit of character, a bit of fun. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.800 I like sticking it to a bit of character. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.120 Got bigger issues than the triscoring winger there, But my 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.200 gripe is critics Round one critics. Everyone was so quick 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.360 to hop on everybody and say. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.800 How bad Oh no, no, I'm ready to. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.760 After round one, everyone's saying Luke Metcals not a seven, 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.320 he's a six. We told you that everybody is an expert. 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:48.159 Comes out in week two, the Warriors sharpen up their attack. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.560 They target daily. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.600 Chair evens on one side, Luke books on the other side. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:58.640 I saw Luke Metcalf running riot but directing play. And 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.120 for all the criticisms he and Andrew Webster copped, I 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.160 think they've really shopped it in faces. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:05.480 After round two, I. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.560 Was gonna say, I'm not I'm not willing to declare 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.000 it outright success just yet. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:15.560 It's round two. You've got the other day, You've got completely. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:17.800 Have you tipped the Warriors to beat the Roosters? 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.800 Yes, wow, I tipped the Warriors last week too. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.000 Did you chip the Roosters? 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.440 Yeah no, I went to Warriors. Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.000 with you. No, no, And that's a good matchup. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.680 Sand and Smith first met another kid who's been going. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.320 Very well well for one week. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.400 It's only two weeks into the NRL season and already 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.720 your coaches under the blow torch. And I'm talking of 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:47.200 course Cowboys coach Todd Payton. Uh, there's been some disappointing 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.400 results in the first couple of weeks. The Cowboys not 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.000 immune to that, and they come up against it against 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.440 the Broncos, where there's already speculation about whether Todd Payton's 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:56.960 going to be their. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:57.920 Long term days. Yeah. 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.960 Yeah, Look, there's plenty of layers to this one, I reckon, 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:05.320 and it probably speaks to maybe where the inconsistency of 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.000 the Cowboys have been probably for the last two years. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.680 You know, their Finals bound one year and then they 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:16.080 miss it the following Jason Talmalalo and Jeremiah now straight 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.599 out of the blocks left out of the team. My 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.160 understanding is they're hugely influential on the playing group. They 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.000 are leaders within the in the group, and they have 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.920 allies and when they do when players do have as 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.400 much influence as those two boys do in the group, 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.240 it's very much, very easy for the rest of the 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:38.279 playing group to side with those leaders. And that's where 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.839 Todd needed to open up the lines of communication with 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.520 his playing group about why this was happening. I understand 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.960 that has needed to happen, that Todd needed to speak 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.880 to the players about some reasoning behind those two players 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.520 missing out. Now I don't see any coincidence whatsoever, they're 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.440 back in the team. They are back in the team 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:00.800 against the Broncos because everything I just said how influential 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.560 they are. Second later this, I don't know if they're 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.400 going to move on Todd Payton so soon as what 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:09.080 you might expect if the results keep going this way. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:13.160 They are a conservative board up there. They don't make 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.600 rash decisions, and I just don't feel as though they 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:21.560 are at the level of frustration that maybe fans are 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.560 and experts in the media are compared to what he's 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.560 going on in house. So I still think Toddy Payton's 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.000 got a bit of time. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:30.880 Left read men. 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.000 Should they even be considering moving on Todd Payton, because 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.280 I mean, we saw what he did as an interim 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:37.400 at the Warriors, and. 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.080 Honestly, they made the finals last year, second week of 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:40.560 the finals. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.040 We're two games end of the year, and I don't 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.240 think there's any pressure on Todd at board level. Like 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.360 Dave said, he'll get the year at least at a minimum, 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.160 I think to turn around. I think the pressure on 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.920 Todd is, like Dave said, the internal rumblings and the 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.920 whispers that are coming out of that dressing room that 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:03.360 maybe play are unsettled and not happy with the way 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.840 things are going. And Dave summed it up perfectly. I mean, 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.800 Jason is the most influential player probably at that club, 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.080 and has been for a long time. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:14.280 He's been a really low servant. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.400 He's got immense respect in the playing group and within 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.120 the club. And we've heard the rumors about Jason now 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.160 for how long that the club was trying to medically 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.320 retire him last year because he's obviously got that long 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.760 term deal. Then he comes out this year he does 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:29.640 Liz Frank while playing with tong Or. I think it 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.040 was that the Ladies preseason, and the club will tell 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.520 you that it wasn't Todd's decision to play him in 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.160 the Queens Cup last week. The club will tea was 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.800 Jason who went to Todd and said, I'm not ready. 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.319 Now that's what the club's telling us. I don't know 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.280 that's necessarily true. We haven't heard it from Jason tom Lo, 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.960 but we haven't heard anything to suggest that's not true. 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.880 So that's the case, and he's straight back in this week. 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:53.880 He paid fifty He paid fifty odd minutes and Queens 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.600 and Cup it went really well, you know, I think 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:00.640 that that will help a peace. He's some of the 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.160 he's some of the unsettled. Unsettlement is a word. That's 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.719 not a word, is it? The unsettled unsettled nature and 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.560 nature and the footy club. So you know, I think, look, 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.760 he's going to get time, Todd, and he deserves time. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.240 He's got a good record. As I said, second week 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.319 the finals last year, that's pretty good effort. But there are, 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.440 as Dave said, some rumblings of discontent up there that 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.920 somehow he needs to calm down. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.439 And look, I know it's crazy. We're two weeks into 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:30.679 the day. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.960 Yeah, I mean, they'll probably lose right in the Broncos, 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.600 so they'll probably be going three. But even then, we're 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.840 three weeks into the season. Let's you know, let's let's 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.920 calm down. Everyone on the first black the cour for 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.720 a coach's head, but let's calm down. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:45.880 Well, we don't have to go too far back. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.400 But obviously the decision a couple of years ago to 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:52.440 call out Jason Tamalala on his minutes and Jason's a 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:56.840 proud guy and he did not like that, and that 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.480 that sowed some seeds at the time, and you saw 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.679 how well, Jason played for Tom and when he. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.839 Did that injury, as to what he's still capable of. 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.080 Doing, I mean he was compared to the guy that 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.280 was batting out twenty thirty minutes for the Cowboys. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:12.520 Just chalk and cheese. Right. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.520 So, but Mannie John's has written a really good column 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.079 it's going to appear on Code Sports website around how 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.760 the players are actually letting Todd Payton down because the 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.040 message isn't getting through, you know, when when they made 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.320 that twenty twenty two prelim final, they fell just short 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.320 of that Grand Final thanks to the Mighty Eels. 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:34.200 But sorry, I digress. Yes, there was some razzle dazzle 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:34.880 in that attack, but. 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.000 It was built off hard nosed defense where they are 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.439 compacting really well. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.360 Up and in they were, you know, and the message 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.360 isn't getting through the players that they're and they're not. 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.800 But it's not the coach's job to get blame the players. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.480 But I always say it's so much easier to get 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.600 rid of a coach and is to clean out addressing them, right, 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.640 So ultimately it falls on the coach. And you know, 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.120 there's been from the outside looking there's been this power 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.800 struggle between Todd and Jason, for you said it when 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.559 he called him out a couple of years ago. Then 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.720 all that talk about potential medical retirements last year, it 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.520 just seems as though they've again I don't know this 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.440 for a fact, but it's outside looking in. It just 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.600 seems as though they haven't always been on the same page. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.559 And if you're going to pick Jason up against Todd, 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.120 Jason's going to win that nine times out of ten 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.920 because he's such a loved and revered figure in North Queens. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.520 And as Dave said in that plane group, so you know, 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.760 while ever that friction's there and I've got stress, I 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:34.840 don't know that there is still friction there. As I said, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.680 it's just an outsider looking in. Well, ever, if there 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.760 is friction there, that's the issue that needs to be resigned. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.559 I don't forget this as a byproduct of a ten 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.800 year deal. To Rudy's point, it's hard to move Jason 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:51.040 towmlalo on. To your point, maybe medically retire him because 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.160 of the length of this deal. There was a million 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:54.840 dollar investment every single year. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.880 Which almost has the almost three years still to run. 0:11:58.000 --> 0:11:59.720 That's right, But if you'll get a good fifty minutes 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.320 Jason tomal Allow every week, mate, You've got a good 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.959 football on your hair, exactly like a really good footballer. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.679 And you know he was putting in punching out fifty 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.320 minute spells last year that were really effective, and they've 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:15.200 quality minutes. So I'm not sure given what they've got 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.720 up there, do you really want to know if this 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.559 is the case that there was a push to medical 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.280 retirement at some point in hindsight, did you really want 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:23.760 to do that? 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.160 What does Todd Payton do now in the short term 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:27.720 to try and turn this team around. 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.040 Well, he has to galvan I as the group, and 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.959 it has to start with the defense. Yeah, Jeremiah and 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.440 I was dropped for he's meek defense in round one, 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.199 and the only way back is a response from Nati 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.760 and I reckon, that'll be the greatest indicator we've got 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.200 that this is a group that's on board. 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.800 Really, don't you think he's been like he hasn't been 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.080 a great defender ever since he's come in the first grade, 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.439 Jeremi Now and I he's always been a bit vulnerable defensively, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.240 but they put up with it because well, I probably 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:56.000 tried to fix it. 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.240 Right, it hasn't really haven't really fixed it. 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.400 I might be taking a broad brush to this, but 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.160 this is one little concern I have, and correct me 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.960 if I'm wrong. I just feel as though those there, 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:12.199 there's elite players in that group and they've stagnated. Ribon 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:16.160 Cotter Nanai I did and telled his own no doubt 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:21.320 about it getting the Queensland Origin team, and I just 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.920 feel like tell Malala is another example whether they're getting 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:30.839 the maximum output and performance in some elite players. That's 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:31.480 my concern. 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.360 Canterbury PARAMOUNTA games are always massive occasions, but I'll tell 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:39.320 you what this year takes on probably greater meeting tale 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.720 of two coaches who in very different situations at the moment, 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.600 have some real similarities day with having a look at 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.280 what Jason Roles is going through at the moment and 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.000 comparing that to I mean, things look great at Canterbury 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.840 at the at present, but that wasn't always the case 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:54.520 for Camp Serreldo. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.120 There's been an immense pain and turmoil as far as 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:00.560 getting rid of players and cleaning up that roster, paying 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:06.240 out players. At one point the Bulldogs were paying up 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.320 paying out almost four and five players that were at 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.200 different clubs, or let go to the English Super League 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.600 and this is two years ago, and remembering too, Gus 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.760 advised serraalto not to come in that first year, stay 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.680 at Penrith for another year. There's just going to be 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.080 too much blood in the water for you to handle 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.000 as a rookie coach in that first season, and Serraaldo banging. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.480 Serrato said, now, I want to get into it now. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.440 And they were hard days and if you're a Paramatta 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.880 fan you should maybe take some solace in that that, Yeah, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.800 it's it's hard going at the moment. And I'm not 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.240 saying that it's all going to pan out exactly the same, 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:49.000 but certainly clearly Jason Ryles has a vision of which 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.080 he's ripping and tearing into in the hope that it 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.480 can end up what the dogs are in now. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:56.960 Really, the thing that worries me is that I don't 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.520 think Paramattera have hit the bottom yet. I know there's 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.360 been two really bad losses to start the year. I 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:03.800 think things can potentially get worse. 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:07.320 Well, it's going to be difficult until Mitch Moses gets back, right. 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.120 I mean, we know how much this team's built around 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.520 Mitch and Dylan Brown, so it sort of hasn't really 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.160 taken the reins while Mitch's been out. They get Dean 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.320 Hawkins back this week. I mean Dean Hawkins was bought 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.760 to be Mitch's understudy, and when Mitch wasn't available, Dean 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.960 Hawkins was supposed to be the guy who stepped in 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:27.720 because he's got more of a kicking game, he's more 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.800 of a number seven general. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:32.640 But obviously he was injured as well. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.160 I had to play Ronald Wolkman Ean played in a year, 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.680 So everything that could go wrong for Jason Rowholves in 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:43.520 the first two rounds has gone wrong. But you know 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.280 there's going to be better days ahead and days right. 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.560 It's been such a huge cultural shift at that football 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.800 coman Brad Arthur was there ten years well, we all 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.520 knew Brad. It was a completely different operator to Jason role. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:58.360 It was his club. 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.760 It was his club, and Rosey's put a brooin through 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:02.280 the joint. 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.320 You know, it's got a different feel about it the 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.600 football club and that's going to just take some time 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.880 to settle in, to bed in and for everyone to 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.160 get on the same page. But it will change and 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.560 it will head in the right direction. Because he's a 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.880 smart guy and a smart coach. But it's really difficult 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.920 when you know, you make all these changes, then you 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.040 get to round one. You haven't got your captain in 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.120 half back, your talisman, you haven't got his deputy, your 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:29.920 fire that goes out and signs a mega deal with 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.040 another club, right, a guy who you're relying on to 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:34.680 both basically stepping and help. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.080 Where Mitch is out. You know, he's got this other 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.600 distraction going on, like it's just it's just been disaster. 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.600 Really, you have to go to Melbourne, which you know, 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.440 who don't lose round one. Round two was especially disappointing. 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.800 But you look at that and you know that first 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.360 half Mitch Moses is their paramat. Scored a couple of 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.400 tries that they looked rudderless in attack, didn't they They 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.520 just for all the ground they made. They dropped a 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.600 lot of ball, but you know the positions and they 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.680 should have scored. What disappoints me and probably disappoints Roles 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:05.679 the most, is their defensive efforts. 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.920 Right, he has spent the off season. They've done more 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:09.399 defense in. 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.320 The last six months at training apparently than they have 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:12.920 done the last ten years. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:13.520 You know. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.920 Line speed, transition defense in the middle and all that 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.760 is a work in progress, but it should be an 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.399 easier fix to say, guys, line speed, you need to 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.160 get your back sides up quicker. You're letting them get 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:28.720 far too quickly down the field. 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:31.639 That's a byproduct of the errors they're coming up with. 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:31.879 Right. 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.000 If you're defending all the time, your line speed's going 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.360 to be pretty slow. We're doing it all the time. 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.360 So if you're scoring points, you're getting the ball back, 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.800 you've got your possession. But still the Yeah, that's a concern. 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.760 Yeah, look, yeah, we know Josh Hadoka. We'll come back 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.760 into this side this weekend. We saw him listed in 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.840 the reserves. But the winger is going to change everything. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.160 But what I'm what I'm saying is you do need 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.320 that experience out there in those tough times. And we 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.679 know Fox is an energy player. It brings a bit 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.360 of intensity and excite to the group. For me, I'm 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.359 still looking for more out of Zac Climax and I 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.320 still can't get around the center. Id I we're talking 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:12.040 about last year being the I would call him almost 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:12.880 the world's best winger. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:14.280 Yeah, no doubt. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:19.080 I think he's been pretty good Zach what so you know, 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.119 I was going to go on the bat he's been 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:21.399 one of them. 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.000 I think he's been decent players. But yeah, I think 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.600 he's been decent. But he is an out and out 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.399 gun winger. And when you are searching for points and 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.480 yardage carries and a little bit of. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.399 Extract dropped back from last tackle. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.720 He did, he was dropping back there and. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.600 I have a hybrid role, right, Yeah, I don't mind. 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:44.399 I don't mind that. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:46.040 I wonder if that was a bit more out of 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.080 necessity because they didn't really have the guy to do that, 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:49.960 because when. 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:51.679 Was the last time the Melbourne Storm and the Penouth 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.639 Panthers come up with a hybrid role to win them. 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.920 The miniature wingers now they've been exposed after five years. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.119 But this is the thing, like, stick to what the 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.160 guy is absolutely outstanding at and he's the world's best winger. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.400 So bang, you've got Fox, You've got Limacs. Okay, you're 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.639