WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 22 June 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:05.279 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.800 Good Evening, Welcome to special edition of the program. We 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.440 will be on for the full two hours tonight. We 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:14.520 expect before we are off the air tonight we will 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.680 be hearing from the United States Secretary of Defense. He 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.920 will be giving a briefing in Washington from the Pentagon 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:26.360 Pete Heggzeth about the success as the President has put it, 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.400 the tremendous military success that has taken place. As we 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.200 all were getting our thoughts together around brunch time today 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.400 when Donald Trump made it formal what we all assume 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.080 to be happening in the next few days, well, now 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.760 it has happened. Now we are in a new place, 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.519 which is of course that Donald Trump has bombed Iran, 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:48.839 the three most significant of the military facilities, apparently with 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:53.320 an obvious connection to their nuclear ambitions. We have got 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:57.360 a lot of guests both in Australia and around the world, 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.000 including Shari Markson. Chris Kenny joined me here in the 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.440 man Cave in a moment or two's time. Normally, Sunday 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.600 Nights is the Table of Knowledge, that's where we talk 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.120 about all sorts of big issues. But obviously this is 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.400 what is going to dominate tonight, Dave Sharma, former Ambassador 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.880 to Israel and from the IPA, John Roscombe. But as 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.399 I say, Sophie Ellsworth is in Israel as we speak, 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.520 and we will get to a lot as it all happens, because, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.760 believe it or not, there is still plenty that is 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.920 happening after the headline became clear. Now let's check the time. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.360 It is now just about half past eight on the 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.840 East coast of Australia, Canberra, Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. Well 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.319 right now in Washington, DC, the sun is just coming up. 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.840 It is seven am. They're live again. We will not 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:40.800 hear from Donald Trump in the next couple of hours, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.600 but we will hear for the man who was in 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.880 the situation room with him watching those B fifty two 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.960 bombers drop that massive payload. So you will hear from 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:54.960 Pete Hegseth very shortly. The retaliation from Iran is taking 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:58.080 place right now where it is about one point thirty 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.160 in the afternoon now in Israel, and in fact there 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.040 is a very significant damage. The expectation is that there 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.560 are going to be casualties here. But remember the network 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.919 of bomb shelters that exist under virtually every major structure 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.800 in Israel means that many people are safe. But of 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.720 course you don't know that these things are coming. There 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.239 is all sorts of warning systems in place. I'll talk 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.960 to Shari specifically about that. Of course, she experienced that 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.720 herself in the past few months, about how that system works. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.160 But there is a lot of devastation as Iran is 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.600 uping its game in its response to Israel. In terms 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.360 of Iran itself. Right now, I can tell you that 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.160 it is two o'clock in the afternoon. They are thirty 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:46.000 minutes further down the timeline from Israel. We are beginning 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.800 beginning to see some pictures from Iran. But there is 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.160 some satellite imagery which is now starting to make its 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.280 way around Global News. I'll bring that to you tonight 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.359 about exactly the main site. Now, remember the whole the 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.400 Americans needed to do the bombing was because they were 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.880 the only ones with the bomb and with the planes 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.320 to carry the bomb to specifically blast away at one 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:13.200 of three major nuclear sites in Iran. Those the one 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.880 that of course was the main focus was the one 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.880 that was underground. And again, some satellite photos starting to 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.560 come through and Pete exit with much more information in 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.360 a moment or two's time. Now, all of our guests, 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.880 all of the expert all of the different opinion, including 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:28.959 some of the talking points that are starting to come 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.200 out of Iran. But first five things is always when 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.280 there's major news to tell you about. And five things 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.920 that I think you need to be across tonight after 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.840 an extraordinary day both in the United States and in 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.000 the Middle East and its effects when it comes to 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.080 the safety of the rest of the world. Now Number one, 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.160 Trump hit hard, he hit fast now because of the 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:52.000 flying time and about exactly where these planes took off from, 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.600 they were able, with some refueling, to be able to 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.320 involve in potentially as long as a thirty hour flight. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.080 The expectation was that it may not have been that lot. Again, Pete, 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.560 Hegxeth will give us the TikTok. And by that I 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.960 don't mean the Chinese surveillance app I mean that what 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.240 happened when the minute by minute of all of this 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:14.760 again around brunch time today in Australia, we got Donald 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.000 Trump confirming what he said was going to happen at 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.000 some point in the next two weeks. Well, it, of course, 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.159 happened within a couple of days. Specifically, it seems to 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.680 have been aimed in and around the weekend, one because 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.160 there wouldn't be as many people in those facilities, and 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.720 two because there is going to be a potential response 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.719 from Iran that may well affect the world oil price. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.120 I'll explain that in a moment, But first the President 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.159 informing the world that he had taken the step to 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.600 help Israel and kill off the Nikoo ambitions of Iran. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.120 Toned I can report to the world that the strikes 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:54.479 were a spectacular military success. Around's key nuclear and Richmond 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:59.599 facilities have been completely and totally obliterated. Around the Bully 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.200 of the metal least must now make peace. If they 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.040 do not, future attacks would be far greater and a 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:06.799 ludd easier. 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:12.080 Now, remember, the balancing act for this president specifically, was 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.159 that he was called on by the Israelis to use 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.000 the technology that they did not have. Now, as you know, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.000 over the past two weeks or so, Israel had been 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:26.440 pounding pretty heavily away at the Iranian regime, the Iranian 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.200 regime firing back into Israel. But obviously, the only way 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.440 to get inside that mountain to be able to break 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.880 away where much of the work was being done to 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.600 enrich uranium, to move it all the way up past 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.480 anything to do with conventional nuclear power, but to move 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.200 it all the way up to weapons grade. Well, depending 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:50.760 on particular batches and depending on particular intelligence services, some 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:52.480 of that was at twenty percent, some of us at 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.640 fifty percent. Some of it was apparently on its way 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.320 towards eighty percent of being able to get to the 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:01.800 place where they'd be able to use it for a boy. So, 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.120 of course, the men who campaigned against Forever Wars in 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.800 many way putting together a coalition of people who say 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.640 they had learnt the lessons out of long time interventions 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:14.320 into the Middle East, like places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Well, 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.120 the message that he puts out there today is that 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.159 this is as far as he is willing to go now. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.800 But what around does next means America has every right 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:23.799 to respond. 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.320 There will be either peace or there will be tragedy 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.719 for Iran, far greater than we have witnessed over the 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:37.320 last eight days. Remember, there are many targets left to 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.279 Night's was the most difficult of them all by far, 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.479 and perhaps the most lethal but if peace does not 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.640 come quickly, we will go after those other targets with precision, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.880 speed and skill. Most of them can be taken out 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:55.160 in a matter of minutes. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.240 Now, I know that there's a lot of AI generated 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.800 images about exactly what to place, as if somebody was 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.680 being able to film the incident. Obviously, no one's been 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.039 able to do that, with the exception of the United 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.360 States itself. And as I say, by the time we're 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.600 done tonight a two hour version of pal Maria Live 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.280 this Sunday night, we should have some of those pictures 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.800 in and around some of the operation. Because remember, in 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.360 and of itself, the United States has now shown that 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.040 it is willing to use the technology, but for obvious reasons, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.600 also doesn't want to show too much of its hand 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:28.000 about how this technology gets used, not just in terms 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.440 of the bombs, but also in terms of those planes. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.040 And again, some of them were based in and around Guam, 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.680 some suggestions they might be in lots of other places 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.360 around the world. They apparently were in and around the 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:42.600 Pacific according to some who have been monitoring those movements. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.560 But again they're stealth fighter For obvious reasons, we're not 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.280 supposed to know as to where they have hit really 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.760 important to see. Okay, now there are more than just 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:56.000 three places inside Iran where there is some sort of 0:07:56.080 --> 0:08:02.200 nuclear industry. Now, this could be everything from the serious 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.080 bunker that needed to be blown up that's in and 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.360 around that fourdoh base. That's why they had to remember 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.160 bash in. It goes about twenty stories down, multiple explosions 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.440 as it goes, and then like any other sort of 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.280 provision precision ordinance, you've got to drop another one after 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.920 that and try to go down a hole, but expand 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.800 it as well. There's obviously those two other locations, but 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.680 that's not the only nuclear facilities. The assumption from the 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.520 Americans apparently is that the Israelis will be able to 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.880 handle those, but all of those seemingly above ground. But again, 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.040 Donald Trump keen for the world to know that in 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.880 just a few hours they can change the world, change 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.400 the trajectory of history, and if pushed, they'll do it again. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.920 For forty years around has been saying death to America, 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:53.400 death to Israel. They've been killing our people, blowing off 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.680 their arms, blowing off their legs with roadside bombs. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:58.760 That was their specialty. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:03.040 We'll loss over and people, and hundreds of thousands throughout 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.079 the Middle East and around the world have died as 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.440 a direct result of their hate. In particular, so many 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:15.760 were killed by their general cassem solemony. I decided a 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.600 long time ago that I would not let this happen. 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.120 It will not continue. 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.040 So again, you know that Trump hit hard and fast. 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:24.920 Number two of the five things that I want to 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.880 mention before we get into these broader conversations again. Sherry 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.319 Marks and Chris Kenny, they joined me in a moment 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:35.040 or two time. But put simply, Iran will decide what 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:39.360 happens next. Now, obviously Israel will continue its campaign to 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:44.640 try to remove as much of the military capability of Iran. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.199 But in terms of whether the United States comes back 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.680 into all of this again, well, we get to hear 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.480 what the Iranians have to say. Now. They have given 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.280 a press conference in the past ninety minutes or so. 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:00.520 There's pretty strong messages that are coming across the propaganda vicev. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:05.120 But in terms of their foreign minister, he's been very 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.280 clear to say or try to cast that he was 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.679 involved in a campaign of diplomacy. It's the Israelis in 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.960 the United States that have blown things up. But of course, 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.040 as always with these stories, what about before, what about before? 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.079 What about before? This is a story that is decades 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.600 in the making, and obviously, as we said at this moment, 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.640 it's a fork in the road about where it goes 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.880 from here? Here in part was the Iranian officials speaking 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:29.480 in Istanbul tonight. 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.600 You say that you need to respond right now, but 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:38.640 we know that Iranians are known for their talents and 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:43.199 negotiations and diplomacy and trade. What would were the conditions 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.760 after responding for Iran to come back to a negotiation table, 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.079 maybe with the US as well. And Turkya has been 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.719 offering that Ankara can mediate for its try later all 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.840 between Turkey, US and Iran. What would be your response 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:04.600 to that? Because right now the US is technically involved 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.840 in this conflict, it is. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:12.640 Irre irrelevant to ask Iran to return to diplomacy because 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.120 we were in the middle of diplomacy. We were in 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:22.320 the middle of talks with the United States when Israelis 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:27.040 blew it up. And again we were in the middle 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:32.520 of talks and negotiations with Europeans. Happened only two days 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:38.000 ago in Geneva, when this time Americans decided to blow 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:45.000 it up. So we were in diplomacy, we were what 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:54.480 we were attacked militarily. So it was not Iran but 0:11:54.640 --> 0:12:04.800 the US who betrayed the plomacy. They betrayed negotiations when 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:10.440 at the middle of negotiations with US they gave green 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:17.839 light to Israelis, if not instructed them to attack Row's 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:26.520 nuclear facilities. I think they have proved that they are 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:32.000 not men of diplomacy and they only understand the language 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:33.400 of threat and force. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.319 Interesting word war not used. Does that suggest that there's 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.480 going to be some limited response here, Well, at the 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.880 very least there is a consideration from the Supreme Leader, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.160 the military officials, many of which of course had been killed. 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.880 And metaphorically, once you cut the head off the snake 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.800 and other will grow somewhere else. So the idea the 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.800 entire military is disappearing around is obviously not true. But 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.360 there'll be people stepping into those roles. And as I 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:02.079 said to you, while the back and between Iran and Israel, 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.960 Israel and Iran has been obvious, the damage that is happening, 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.600 and these are the latest pictures that happened just around 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.080 the start of the day in Tel Aviv. Remember, of course, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.600 it's full up and around lunchtime there. Now, that is 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.480 an awful lot of damage right now. But because of 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.160 those bombshellders I've spoke about before fingers crossed, we'll have 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:24.440 the scenario of well fewer casualties, but there's going to 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.040 be problems here Jerusalem. We've got some pictures from there 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.679 as well. This is a live picture of what is 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.760 happening there. Some stills photography which is starting to pop up. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.240 And remember during all of this breaking new stuff the 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.719 homepage skynews dot com that I use, sky News dot 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.400 Com that I use. The stills are particularly moving about 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:45.680 people saving children in the streets of Israel. Now, the 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:47.760 reason that I say that it's all up to Iran 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.640 what happens next? Can I show you this next graphic. 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.800 This is from the New York Times. Basically every red dot, 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:58.000 depending on its shade, is where American troops are. Now 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.920 obviously Kuwait, which is just to Iran. That would be 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:06.960 a place obviously incredibly easy for Iran to be able 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:11.360 to aim at. Now currently there's the situation involving Israel 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.240 that in and of itself is dire. But obviously we've 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.560 seen that the Israeli government has been able to handle that. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.200 The next stage the ratchet up here is if Iran 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.760 starts to aim itself towards any of those red dots. Now, obviously, 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.360 if it's able to make its way from Iran to Israel, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.480 they're able to shoot something from Iran to Kuwait. But 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.720 have a look at this one again New York Times, 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.080 where there's short range missiles at four hundred and thirty 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.720 five miles will clearly cover off where the Americans are 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:47.120 in Kuwait, Bahrain, the UAE or Qatar. Now, obviously there's 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.040 all of the geopolitical reasons as to why Iran doesn't 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.480 shoot at some of those countries, but the idea about 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.880 American facilities being that close. This has been one of 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.200 the concerns about the sowats neck about the day after, okay, 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.160 the day after, the week after, the month after, the 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.040 year after those red dots. As you can see as well, 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.880 why they're able to get so many in towards Israel. Again, 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.800 their medium ranges anywhere between that four thirty five and 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.600 twelve hundred miles. All right, Third thing I want to 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.680 mention tonight, obviously, Israel is safer because of the actions 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.720 of the President of the United States. Now they have 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.120 been asserting themselves to make sure that a country that 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.560 does not just have an ambition of a nuclear bomb, 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.400 but an absolute stated ambition to wipe it off the map. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.720 That this is pushing Iran right back. Now. As you know, 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.600 the Israelis have for a long period of time, well 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.560 the past couple of weeks, i should say, been hitting 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.560 all around lots of military stuff. Here again is a 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.240 map from the New York Times. Every little dot there 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.560 is where some of those missile strikes have fallen. The 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.280 reason the Americans get involved is because there's this one 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.200 place it's really difficult. You've got the gear. You're on 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.640 our side. Again. When you actually have a look at Tehran, 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.440 their capital, you can see even further about just how 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.040 many have not just been in and around the left 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.120 hand side of the country, as you would say, having 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.720 a look at the map here closer to Israel. But 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.760 once you start to thump around you can start to 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:18.280 see lots of different things, including things like their state broadcaster, 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.240 fuel depots, communications, all of course necessary when you're trying 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:26.720 to blind what Iran can do, because even in its 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.720 weakened state, it's still able to cause a lot of 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.880 damage right now in Israel. For his part, Benjamin Etnia, 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:37.320 who made a statement pretty briefly today but powerfully in 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.800 response to the actions of the President today, have a look. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:46.360 Congratulations, President Trump. Your bold decision to target Iran's nuclear 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.880 facilities with the awesome and righteous mind of the United 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:55.800 States will change history. In Operation Rising Line, Israel has 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.800 done truly amazing things. But in tonight's action against the 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:06.399 On's nuclear facilities, America has been truly unsurpassed. It is 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:11.000 done what no other country on Earth could do. History 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:15.280 will record that President Trump acted to deny the world's 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:20.760 most dangerous regime the world's most dangerous weapons. His leadership 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.440 today has created a pivot of history that can help 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.439 lead the Middle East and beyond to a future of 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:33.520 prosperity and peace. President Trump and I often say peace 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:39.520 through strength. First comes strength, then comes peace. And tonight 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.280 President Trump and the United States acted with a lot 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:48.840 of strength. President Trump, I thank you the people of Israel, 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:53.720 thank you the forces of civilization. Thank you. God bless America, 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:58.719 God bless Israel. And may God bless our unshakable alliance, 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:00.000 our unbreakable fears. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:02.720 Right the next time, I'm not going to spend a 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:04.920 lot of time on because they are, yes, part of 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:06.800 the discussion, but they're not the main game. I want 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:08.520 to focus on the main game because we are still 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.920 in breaking news coverage because of the first military response 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.879 from Iran, the political response as well, and then the 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.119 latest news we're about to get out of Washington, d C. 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.320 But the fourth one I want to tell you about is, yes, 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.600 MAGA is strained over this issue. Okay, however, it's not 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.120 going to break. Firstly, apart from anything else, we are 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.600 barely and I think what in the next couple of days, 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:32.879 six months into a presidency which is going to go 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.359 for four years. Okay, many of the people who have 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.879 bashed the tables with whatever intent, they all know that 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.640 their proximity to Trump in many ways is their power. 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.680 Their access to Trump is their power. I'm not imagining 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.280 that any of them are going to want to burn 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.439 that bridge with so much of a presidency still to go. 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.879 So that's the first thing to note. But Steve Bannon, 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.480 who of course at one point worked with the President, 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:02.040 went to jail for not giving evidence upon subpoena in 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:05.520 and around January sixth, as Maga's MAGA gets his program. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:09.720 The war Room is basically the id of the Mega movement. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.439 He actually had lunch with Donald Trump the day that 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.439 he came out and said the two week thing. This 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:19.200 was read by a whole bunch of people as I 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:23.879 he's listening to Magaworld, he's holding back, but obviously Steve 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.760 Bannon after saying, don't go there. It's a quagmire. All 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.040 the rest of it. Well, he had rolling coverage himself 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.919 in the United States today and it's pretty fair to 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.480 say on early counts he falls in line. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.600 President of the United States. Nate made probably the biggest 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.000 and boldest move of his first or second term. 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:43.840 Right. 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:45.920 What he doesn't want to do is get dragged in 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.000 this thing, as we talked about earlier, so that it 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.640 overwhelms his presidency. 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:53.520 And while he didn't want to go all the way 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.360 to the full bended knee, et cetera, etc. A MAGA loyalist, 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.920 former Congressman in Matt Gates was brought on by bad 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.560 And as a guest to say this. So the smoke 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.439 signals coming out of the War Room, it's going to 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.480 be okay in terms of magaland there. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.399 Is no greater force for peace in this world today 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:12.639 than Donald Trump. 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.920 That man deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. The Nobel Peace 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.520 Prize discussion happening right now, by the way, Pakistan is 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.119 actually nominated or Pakistani official has nominated Trump in relation 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:27.840 to the Pakistan and India situation. Fifth one, Albo and 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:29.919 wog out in the cold. I will not waste a 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.000 further second, but basically, de escalate, de escalate, de escalate 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.280 is where they sit. Let's get into the conversation right 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.119 now with my colleagues who have been very patiently watching 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.600 me surmise the five things that I think people need 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.000 to know, and we go from there. Sharry Markson. Of course, 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.280 you can see at the eight o'clock hour astral in 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.040 Eastern time each and every weeknight here and at five 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.359 o'clock you can see when Primetime kicks in and common 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.520 sense begins and the great Chris Kenny at five pm. 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.840 All right, Sharry, when you heard it, we know in 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.680 your editorials in the lead up to it, there was 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:00.919 a clear choice. It was obvious choice you wanted to 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.199 be made. The choice has now been made. So what 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:03.600 do you think. 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:05.960 Look, I think there's a lot of analysis at the 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.080 moment about what next regime change. Can we just sit 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.600 for a moment and say thank you, thank you to 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.320 the President of the United States, because this move today 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:19.720 makes Israel, makes the Jewish people, and makes the entire world, 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.159 the whole of Western civilization, a safer place. This was 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.479 a bold move. I had confidence he was going to 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:31.880 make the right call until yesterday, and I even expected 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:33.800 it would be this weekend. But then yesterday, when he 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.119 put that two week time frame on it, I thought 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.479 the maga isolationists have got to him. I was starting 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:41.919 to lose confidence. And then to wake up this morning 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.560 and I heard about a couple of hours before the 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.919 strike happened that it was going to happen. You know, 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:52.560 we can't overstate how significant this is. For me to 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:57.280 sit here and say Iran no longer poses a nuclear 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:01.439 existential threat to Israel, to the Jewish state in the world, 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:06.640 is unbelievable. Yes, I am happy, haven't I haven't felt 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.600 so happy for a long time. This has been Israel's 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:13.359 greatest enemy for the for you know, decades, well since 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:20.240 post nineteen seventy nine, and Iran's financing was partly behind 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:25.280 the massacre on October seven. That's no secret that part 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:28.080 of the reason October seven even happened is because Israel 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.240 was becoming close to a normalization deal with Saudi Arabia, 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:36.080 which Iran needed to stop happening. But as a result 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:40.120 of those attacks, Israel is now in the most secure 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.959 position it's been in a very long time. And I 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.840 really hope that this is now the start of a 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:51.000 pathway to peace, that after removing the nuclear threat of 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.920 Iran and perhaps more, we'll see how far they go. 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:58.000 That now Nada Yahu and Trump can continue to work together, 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.480 get the normalization deals on the table, expand that Abraham 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.439 accords from Trump's first term, and we could be looking 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:10.080 at an entirely new Middle East. There's everything to celebrate 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:11.760 about this, right, Chris, your. 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:13.800 First take, and then we'll get into the mini sides 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:14.000 of this. 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.120 Yeah, I look it similar to Shari, but I think 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.760 you've got to broaden this out. The world is a 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.159 safer place today it has been for a year or 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.679 so thanks to Israel. What Israel has been able to 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.879 do to Iran and as proxies, and now with Trump 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.120 coming in, and I believe it was always inevitable that 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:32.000 the US military action would occur in this way. I 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.679 think Benjamin nettinaw who made it inevitable by Israel taking 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:39.840 the first action here against those nuclear facilities. America had 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:41.919 to finish it. And if you want to play politics, 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.560 I believe any American president would have done this, whether 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.240 it was a Barba or Joe Biden or Bill Clinton. 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.040 It was always going to happen. But I think people 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.720 at home need to understand what's happened here. 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:56.160 If you go back two years. 0:23:55.920 --> 0:24:00.000 Ago, Iran was pursuing nuclear weapons. All of the Western 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:03.160 world was worried about that, especially Israel of course, but America, 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.919 all the European nations, Australia, We're all imposing sanctions to 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:09.200 try and stop this happening. The whole of the Middle 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.840 East was worried about it. Iran was funding and organizing 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:15.879 Humas in the south of Israel. They were funding and 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:19.760 organizing Hezballah in Lebanon and Syria. They were funding and 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:21.320 organizing the uties in Yemen. 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:22.920 And what happened after. 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.680 October the seventh, the atrocity that was which has been 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:29.960 so terrible for Israel, and the trauma goes on. Three 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:34.600 more hostages returned dead today, but what people don't understand 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:38.240 is in the war since then, thanks to Israel's military action, 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:42.120 Iran has been smashed. Hummas has been almost wiped out, 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.320 Hesballa has been almost wiped out, the Hooties cut off, 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:49.920 and also Iranian missile capacity and air defense is knocked out. 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:51.920 So the job was nine tenths done. 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:54.560 And now America's come in and finished off with these 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:59.159 nuclear nuclear strikes. The most malevolent force in the Middle 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:02.400 East has now been put back in its box. Now 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.160 that's not just good for Israel, that's good for Lebanon, 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:08.440 for Syria, for Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, for Europe, 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:12.119 for the whole world. And I think that, yeah, there 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:15.680 are uncertain times in the days ahead, but most certainly 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.720 Iran will not be the malevolent threat it's been for 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:20.639 the last forty five years. 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.879 Now, again we're going to bounce in and out of 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.720 our view on this about just how granular or the 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:31.080 thirty thousand foot version. Again, as we're starting to see 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.040 some pictures that are now coming out of Israel about 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:37.760 what the Iranian military response has been. This stuff looks 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.640 a lot more physically devastating than what we've seen over 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.439 the past few days. But again, as both of you 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:47.560 know about the bomb shelter, when Australians read about this 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:50.560 is basically they're one at the end of each street. 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:53.479 Is there a basement underneath most buildings. So when we 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.879 see something that looks like it's turned to matchticks fingers crossed, 0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.200 most people got downstairs. What's it like there? 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:01.520 Yeah, and you adjust there, Chris, Well. 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.960 That's why that's why the casualties casually counts are so low. 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:07.120 Say building like this, we're in an office building here 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.240 with an underground car park. What's happening in Israel now 0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:12.280 is you get at least ten minutes warning with these 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:16.880 missiles coming in from Iran? Said, because so they've got 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:23.320 great interception and surveillance mechanisms. So people have ten minutes 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.320 and they'll come down from the offices or flats above 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:27.439 and they'll go down into. 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:27.840 The car park. 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.760 The car park is effectively becomes the bomb shoulder, and 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:32.879 everyone will hang in there as long as they need to. 0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:35.240 And then sure, and when you see these devastating hits 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:41.200 where buildings have been almost completely obliterated, very few casualties 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:44.440 because everybody's in the basements underneath. Now you know there 0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.080 have been deaths, there have been injuries, and we don't 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.480 want any but that's why they've been able to keep 0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:50.080 them so low. 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.320 And again it just proves the point about why this 0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:57.800 action had to take place. Iran doesn't hesitate to hit 0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.120 civilian site, so that's what they're taught. I mean, Israel 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:05.440 has been targeting the military and nuclear facilities in Tehran 0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.960 and right around Iran, whereas Iran hit the Soroco hospital 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:13.800 in Bearsheva on Thursday, it's hitting residential buildings. It's only 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:17.600 targeting residential areas. So if they had a nuclear weapon, 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:21.359 can you imagine the damage they do. That's why it 0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:24.920 was an existential threat. And I think eighty six people 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.080 have been wounded according to the Times of Israel and 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.280 the latest hits today. I think something went wrong. There 0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:34.800 was a failed interception, but I expect that the retaliation 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:39.000 will hopefully get less and less now though there are 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:43.000 concerns about sleeper cells in the West and potential terror 0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:43.800 attacks as well. 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.639 I was going to say, so this brings us to again, 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:50.879 it's up to Iran what happens next. All right, Again, 0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:53.159 if we want to bring back those maps team, that'd 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.160 be great. To see those little red dots about where 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:59.080 all of the US military is. Again, the capacity, the 0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:02.760 ability for somebody get from Iran to Kuwait not exactly impossible, 0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:07.800 clearly closer than Israel and State TV, which I know 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.679 they can distance themselves to somehow pretend is different than 0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:13.840 the regime. Of course, it's pr for the regime, just 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:17.160 like the CCP in China. They're openly now saying that 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:22.639 all military, any civilian, is all now fair game. You 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:24.879 can see they're the differences about what types of missile. 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:26.560 So even if they're starting to run out of the 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:28.600 stuff that's going to make it to Israel, clearly the 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:30.920 stuff that wouldn't make it to Israel, they may well 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:34.879 have plenty of goes to Kuwait. If a hair on 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.800 the head of a single further American is in any 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.400 way attacked by Iran, then we are off to something 0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:44.360 very different from here. So again no one knows, but 0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:48.240 you're reading of things, guys about how Iran responds. 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.640 Well, we saw just a couple of days ago the 0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:55.440 Ayotola Ali Kamani said he does not intend to negotiate. 0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.560 There's going to be no surrender. He doesn't intend to negotiate. 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:02.240 So I can't imagine why his position would change drastically 0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.880 from that. You know that they've been utterly humiliated, their 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.680 nuclear sites destroyed. He's gripping onto power. I think that 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:13.000 what happens now is most likely there might be an 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:16.280 internal power struggle. There could be someone else within the 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.720 IIGC who challenges him for power. The concern is, you know, 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:23.600 we all want to be rid of this radical Islamist 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:27.440 extremist regime that's been terrorizing the world, committing terror tacks 0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.160 on Israel. But the concern is, well, what would come next? 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:33.440 Would that variation be worse, would it be more repressive 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.160 for the Iranian people, would it be more dangerous? 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:37.120 We don't know. 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:41.120 I mean, you know, to completely have an Iranian uprising 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:45.080 and become a democracy, that's the ideal dream scenario. But 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:49.160 how you get that seems unlikely Immediately. 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:51.400 When you look at that map, Paul, and you see 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.080 what Iran has been able to do in Israel with 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.120 its missiles, you know it could still do damage to 0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:00.400 American or other interests in the region. Now points on 0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:02.600 that though, one that's comforting, and that is it would 0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:05.920 be madness, right, It would be literally madness for them 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.480 to broaden the war out, especially to bring in an 0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:11.680 American retaliation like that, because they would be obliterate. 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:12.480 They have no hope. 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:17.920 They're seriously depleted now thanks to weeks of attacks from Israel. 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:21.040 It would be madness on their parts. So that's the 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.200 comforting thought. But the second point is it's the worrying 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.760 thing that is, they are not rational actors. 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:28.280 The Iranian government is. 0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:34.520 A theocratic regime, a theocratic dictatorship. It is sure, there 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:38.360 are many, many educated and sophisticated operatives in Iran. 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:39.960 It's a very sophisticated country. 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.720 But the people who call the shots, the Tyler and 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:46.600 the other mullas, these are religious fanatics who believe that 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:50.160 they have a god given mission to destroy Israel and 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:52.880 death to America and everyone else as well. I've been 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:56.080 to TEHRANO, I've met with these people. It's frightening to 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:58.080 see their take on the world. So that is the trouble. 0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:01.960 You can't think this through rationally because you're not dealing 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:02.920 with rational actors. 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.880 It's also interesting how increasingly isolated Iran is. I mean, 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:09.880 we barely heard a word of objection. I mean, the 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:15.000 most basic word of objection really from China and Russia 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.960 that they didn't step in in any serious way. So 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:21.680 Iran is completely isolated here. It has no friends, it 0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:25.120 has no power based, no one else arguing its case. 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:26.080 In fact, he's. 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:29.240 Turning up in Moscow tomorrow, the Foreign Minister. He's going 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.360 to meet Putin and he's going to ask Putin for help. 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:34.800 But I think Putin says, hey, mate, I've got plenty 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:36.400 on my plate. I can't do much for it. We 0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:39.000 will see that will be critical, right well. 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:43.840 Interestingly, interestingly, remember, of course, before all of this, in 0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.080 the back and forth of a couple of days, that 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:48.440 Donald Trump was saying that at some point Fladmir Putin 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.320 in a phone call with them, We're saying, look, I'll 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.360 help negotiate, of course, which the President's response was the OK, pal, 0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.640 you're involved with your stuff right now. That said, there 0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:00.000 are some nation states that have come out very strong 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.120 against it, places like Saudi Arabia, but of course they 0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:05.560 are about to turn on the United States. Well, no, 0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:07.240 the President was just there. 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.080 Let me jump in there, mate, let me jump in there. 0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:12.000 Let me tell you something close. Saudi Arabia will be 0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:18.719 absolutely grateful to America and Israel for doing this Saudi Arabia, 0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:24.120 I was worried about Iran, as Israel has been almost 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:25.920 over the last couple of decades. So they have to 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:28.520 say that as a Muslim nation, they have to condemn 0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:31.560 this action. But I'm telling you, behind the scenes, the 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.840 Saudis are applauding America and Israel and saying go for it. 0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.520 So again, right, so sorry, you're going to get their glasses. 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:41.320 It's breaking news. The Foreign Ministry condemned and denounced the 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:45.480 violation of Iran's sovereignty and said it followed with deep 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.920 concern and every effort should be made to de escalate. 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:51.840 So they've taken the wrong position, and we'll get to 0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:54.560 that in a second. The Iranian foreign minister now again, 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:59.440 so let's imagine good, normal Iranian people. They've got state 0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:02.240 TVs at them. From one thing, then there's of course 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:04.000 the people that are outside that get to see the 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:07.000 messages that are being said by that Iranian foreign minister 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:10.400 who's currently not in the country. He's in Turkey where 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:13.400 he's in Istanbul. He made some comments there this evening, 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:17.320 and the talking point that seems to have moved from 0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.760 what he has said where he hasn't used the word war. 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:23.880 He's talked about aggression and cruelty, but not the W word. 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:26.760 In fact, this is him saying that, and then I'll 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:28.640 add to it in the moment. What the talking point is. 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:30.880 The war mongering. 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:38.320 A lawless administration in Washington is solely and fully responsible 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:43.520 for the dangerous consequences and far rich and implement implications 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.600 of its act of aggression. 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.080 But the talking point that's starting to run through here 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:54.160 is that people who are involved in the Iranian nuclear 0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:58.680 program are trying to through a whole bunch of friendly 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.880 media and international met start to say things like, well, 0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:04.880 who cares that you hit? Who cares that you hit 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.240 the mountain? We already moved a whole bunch of stuff out. 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.360 Here's some satellite photos of twelve days ago, and a 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:14.400 whole bunch of trucks. Even the International Atomic Energy Association 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:17.960 that the main people who monitor will would inspect things 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:22.000 like nuclear weapons. The response to them Iran has been, well, 0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.400 you know, you may know about that one, but there's 0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:26.880 a whole bunch you don't know about here. Now again, 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.879 you could see that a crumbling regime trying to save 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:35.160 face could be just smearing garbage everywhere. Why wouldn't it. However, 0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.279 the reality was that there were three places that were hit. 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.880 And again all day we've heard so many different stats 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.560 and numbers that are starting to sort of blend together, 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.600 but these are not the only three places that has 0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:52.279 some relevance to the nuclear capacity of Iran. So what 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:54.600 do you say about that talking point that they are 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:56.320 trying to push out to the rest of the world. 0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.840 Israel had already done some seventy five percent of the 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:04.680 job in terms of destroying Iran's nuclear sites and many 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.440 military sites as well. I mean, they've destroyed about fifty 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.840 percent of their ballistic missile launchers. 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:11.239 Now the sites that. 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:15.319 The US hit today four doh, of course Estefan and 0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.399 Atans now Estefan and a tons. They didn't even need 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.799 the B two bombers, is my understanding. That was done 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.560 with Tomahawks, and it was just finishing off the job. 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.880 Israel had already done about seventy five percent of that. 0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.200 The US went in to finish off the job. Now 0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:33.440 Fourdah is obviously the nuclear the fuel enrichment facility that 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.000 we've been talking about the whole world has been talking 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:39.320 about for the past week. That's south of Tehran. Underneath 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:41.920 Mount Alvint. Now that was the one that was eighty 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:44.360 to ninety meters underground, and that was the one that 0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:48.000 required the specialist technology. The B two bombers carrying the 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:53.080 bunker bunker busting bombs that the US did use sixteen 0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:58.760 thousand kilograms each for those bombs. Now you now, Israel 0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:02.800 has the best intelligence in the world. Mossad has shown 0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:05.239 that with the page Or operation, has shown that with 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:08.880 the Tehran strike, has shown that time and time again 0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:11.640 over the past twenty months. If they come out, if 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:16.000 we are told that those sites have been annihilated, I 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:19.439 would trust Massad one hundred percent. And this is part 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:22.279 of the game of deception we've been seeing. Do you 0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:25.879 remember the media reports two weeks ago that Trump had 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:29.520 asked NED and Yahoo not to take any military action 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:31.440 in Iran to avoid death and destruction. 0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:32.960 That was false. 0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:35.920 That was part of the deception, so that the nuclear 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:38.680 scientists and the military chiefs didn't go into hiding in 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:41.600 their bunkers. They were there sleeping happily in their beds 0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.280 when Israel came and took them out in the middle 0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.000 of the night. So deception has been a big part 0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.839 of this game. Israel knows where they are, they know 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.880 where the sites are, and we have to trust the 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:55.360 President of the United States and not some nutters on 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.920 the internet when he says they've been obliterated. 0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:02.080 So again that talking point, because again that I've listened 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:04.200 to some discussions in other places and they'll turn around 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.200 and say, well, hang on, you know, because the Orange 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:08.600 man bad Oh, maybe they haven't hit everything. Maybe this 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.880 isn't half as successful as it seems. Maybe he's going 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.399 to get dragged back in because literally towards the left 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:15.320 and wait till I show some of the political reaction 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.600 in the United States is they are casting this as 0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:22.279 a giant, giant mistake. So therefore they are echoing what 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:26.040 they're hearing back from Tehran that despite the bluster, it 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:26.600 didn't work. 0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:28.400 Well, That's why I was keen to say at the 0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:31.000 start of this discussion that the world is a safer 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.239 place now and that all preceding presidents would have done 0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.000 taken the same action here. This is not something that's 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.640 come up in the last six months or even in 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:42.279 the last twenty months. Since October the seventh, it has 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:46.480 been a threat that successive American presidents of both a 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.479 Democrat and Republican have said we need to stop around 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:52.720 getting a nuclear weapon. All of the leaders of European nations, 0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:58.920 the United Nations, thea Australia. It has been a global 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:00.920 consensus about stopping this happening. 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:01.799 It's just been the. 0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.960 Pathetic diplomacies failed to deliver on it, and now it's 0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.279 happened physically. And just on that point, I agree with 0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.719 everything Shari said about how detailed the Israeli action has 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:13.440 been and they've taken out these other sites and the 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:17.560 expertise they've taken out, the nuclear scientists that would do 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:18.240 all this work. 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.000 But you do have to worry. 0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:24.319 There's four hundred kilograms of sixty percent enriched uranium somewhere 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:26.960 in Iran. Now it's either been blown up with these 0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:28.800 bombs or they would have could have shifted it in 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:30.960 the last few weeks. I would have thought that Mossad 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.560 and the CIA, American and you'd be looking to. 0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:37.240 Find out where is that enriched uranium. 0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:40.439 Now that can't be made into a nuclear weapon straight away. 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.759 It would need more, more enrichment, They would need to 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:49.040 get more centrifuges. But yeah, I think the are two points. 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:52.279 So it's been very thorough this, but I think the 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.600 reconnaissance and intelligence on the back of this to make 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:56.640 sure it's done properly will be ongoing. 0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:59.279 Yeah. Well, and again that idea that the idea that 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.200 oh Trump was brought into this two minutes before the end, 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.040 wasn't really aware of what was going on. But as 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:07.600 you say, there's plenty back and forth here of the 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:09.399 part of the wall. Now can I just turn too 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:10.560 as somebody But just. 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:12.840 On that point, by the way, President Trump said today, 0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.359 and I loved the line. He said that he'd been 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.280 working with Bib Netanyahu as a team, perhaps the best 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.759 team ever, so Trump, but everything's the best ever. 0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:23.000 This has been. 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.640 You know that they might have the odd difference, but 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:29.719 this has been a terrific partnership, unlike how difficult it 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.080 was for Israel under Joe Biden. Well, and I don't 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.160 have your confidence, by the way, Chris, that every president 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:38.160 would have handled this, because we've seen other presidents choose 0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:41.280 to strike so called you know, trade deals where billions 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:43.560 are given to a run which ends up sure finance. 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:46.280 The difference here, though, it was that Israel had taken 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:48.800 eighty percent of the action the job, and you're in 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.479 a situation now where Iran's on the back foot, most 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.080 of their nuclear activity taken out. The whole world knows 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:55.279 it needs to be taken out. 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:55.759 So it was. 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.400 It was almost a gift given to the president. 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:00.640 You've got I'm not Kamala har They would have been 0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:03.439 saying ceasefire, de escalate like Penny Wong does. 0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:06.120 Kamala would have been laughing five. Who would have been asleep? 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.960 You know, I think think of a reasonable one Clinton, 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:10.880 go back to Clinton or Obama. 0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.000 Maybe those Democrats would have done it all right. 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:16.320 Now, now again some of the reaction inside the United 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:18.960 States to the left of politics. Now again we spoke 0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.920 about the mega stuff. It is a sideshow to the 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:26.239 reality of how the world has changed today. But of course, 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.600 in the United States, the capacity of a president to 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.719 be able to start something without having to go and 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:35.160 get permission first from Congress is an area where that 0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:38.400 has often can be debated. Now, generally speaking, the theory 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:42.040 of the executive power of the president, generally speaking, seems 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:44.840 to win out, presumably if this was litigated all the 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.920 way up to a Supreme Court that is dominated by 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:51.080 its current justices that have previously said things like if 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.080 it's an official act, it's not a you get that. 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:56.960 Generally speaking, it would probably fall Trump's way. But if 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:59.080 there's a question, we know there are people that want 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:01.880 to go there, And he's part of the explanation about 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:05.240 people who are suggesting that the action that the president 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:08.880 took and not asking Congress first would be grands for 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:12.520 a potential impeachment. This doesn't happen to morrow, doesn't happen 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.400 next year. But remember, if the Democrats get control of 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.680 the House in November of next year, they'd be in 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:21.080 exactly the position they had been twice before to be 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:25.239 able to impeach, not removed, but impeach the president for 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:25.839 the third time. 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:29.439 Look, I think the most striking things that we've heard 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.440 from Capitol Hill is that in the past couple of moments, 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:35.480 so Seawan Caston, who is a Democrat from northern Illinois, 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:40.320 he has said that this is an unambiguous impeachable offense. 0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.120 He's saying, I don't think we have the votes to impeach, 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.560 he said, but you don't do this with our congressional approval. 0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.960 So let's get to all of that. The idea that 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:52.160 again the orange Man, bad crowd, and again, but if 0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:53.920 you've been watching, and you wouldn't have been un less 0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.160 a push on the flash app fairly available flash news 0:41:56.200 --> 0:42:00.160 dot com dot au to sign up to is you'd 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.800 be watching MSNBC. That's the sort of left wing cable 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:03.360 news station. 0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:03.640 Right. 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.279 They are basically saying Trump started World War three, it's 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:08.839 all his fault. Dumbest thing ever. So that's what all 0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:12.799 this garbage is playing to. But Chris again, knowing how 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.879 much the Australian media loves first of the Orange Man bad, 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.400 secondly loves the process story all the rest of it 0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:21.160 here and despite the fact they've said logically you got 0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:22.480 to wait a long time and a lot's going to 0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:25.160 go your way, and it probably doesn't. But this question 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:30.960 of basically, is he involved in a war by dropping 0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:36.080 one series of ordinance on one night or you can 0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:38.319 get away with that one and done, meaning you don't 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:39.440 have to go to Congress. 0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:40.080 Yeah. 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:43.960 Look, he's the commander in chief and he obviously has 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:50.600 the ability, the authority, and indeed the duty to act 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:54.400 in this way. Look, having seen the way the left 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:58.760 globally have effectively supported Hummas over the past twenty months, 0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.719 nothing surprises me. But they're now talking about this is 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:05.240 some sort of unilateral active aggression by the United States. 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:09.880 Even American Congress people are saying that that is absolutely outrageous, 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:11.600 And He's going to think about what people are saying 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.240 here if they're trying to say that America and Israeli 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:18.200 the aggresses here. They are giving a leave pass to 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:23.640 the Islamic Republic of Iran for supporting and facilitating the 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:27.000 slaughter and atrocities of October the seventh. They're giving them 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:31.560 a leave pass for having Hezbollah in Syria and Lebanon 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:36.280 raining down rockets on civilian areas of Israel for month 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:37.640 after month after month. 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:38.840 They're giving a leave. 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:42.120 Pass to the Hooties for attacking ships in the Gulf 0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:46.440 and also sending missiles into Israel, hitting airports and civilian areas. 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:50.120 They're giving a leaf pass to Iran for directly targeting 0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:54.840 its missiles at Israeli cities, at suburban areas. This is 0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:58.040 a war crime, but the UN doesn't say, Didley squat 0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:02.439 about it? They're too focused on humanizing Israel and the US. 0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:06.759 Now people have to think logically about the appalling regime 0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:11.239 that Iran is, the horrible atrocities they've either committed themselves 0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:15.240 or facility facilitated others to deliver and talk. 0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:18.680 That they would. They have been trying to get a 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:19.560 nuclear weapon. 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:23.520 That's not in question that the International Atomic Energy Agency 0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:25.440 has been trying to check this and they've been hiding 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:27.760 stuff from them. The whole of the world, the EU 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:30.440 and all the European nations, all those lefty nations you 0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:33.120 all like, and Democrat presidents and the like, they've all 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:36.040 been onto this trying to stop this happening. So if 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:37.960 you want to stand back and say it was okay 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.240 to let this happen and let them get a weapon 0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:42.600 to fire at Jerusalem, I mean, give me a break. 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:46.120 People have to actually use some logic and some morality 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:47.040 in these debates. 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:49.560 And it's not like Trump rushed into this. I mean 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:54.360 he spent five months negotiating, five or six rounds of negotiations. 0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:57.640 Even last week he was urging Iran to come to 0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:01.680 the table, and on Thursday that Ayatolda said there will 0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.399 be We're not coming back to the negotiating table. We're 0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:07.000 not going to surrender. He couldn't have done more. And 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:08.759 just to add to your list, Chris as well, that's 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:12.440 not to mention all of the countless terror attacks on Americans, 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:16.680 on American that Iran has committed over decades, and there's 0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:20.400 you know, this weak need response constantly from the international 0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:23.480 community where they don't want to take any military action. 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.120 And what we saw today and I don't know was 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.200 it was explicitly mentioned by Ned and YEAHO it was 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:34.320 he said peace through strength, that Reagan face, peace through strength. 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:39.520 You need America to show deterrence that was lost when 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:42.719 Biden withdrew from Afghanistan in the appalling way he did. 0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:46.160 There has been no American deterrence. America has not been 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:49.279 the leader of the free world really since then. That 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:53.880 wars have started up that returns now China and Russia. 0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:56.120 This sends a strong message to them as well. 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.000 Yeah, exactly. Well, and remember Obama with the red lines 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:00.839 and all of that stuff. This is a moment where 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.480 Hey told you sixty days, you got sixty days to 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.200 come up with something, sixty days to start to show 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.520 me you're pulling this thing apart. Welcome to sixty one, 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:10.080 sixty two. Once we're going past the sixty this is 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.359 what's happening. By the way, Bernie Sanders doing his bit 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:16.080 to try to talk again about how unconstitutional of this is. 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:19.439 And then let's turn our attention to our leadership here, 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.040 and then Sophie Ellsworth will join us in moment or 0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.400 two from Israel. You're watching a two hour edition of 0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:26.520 Paul Murray Live, where we will also be hearing from 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:29.200 the US Defense Secretary Pete Exeth in a moment or 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:29.640 two's time. 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:33.800 And I want to tell you something. 0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:39.000 Not only is this news that I've just heard the 0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:40.080 second alarming that. 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:43.440 All of you have just heard, but it is so 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:46.000 grossly unconstitutional. 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:47.000 All of you know. 0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:54.360 That the only entity that can take this country to 0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.520 war is the US Congress. 0:46:56.520 --> 0:47:01.400 The president does not have the right Paul, the left 0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:02.160 have just lost it. 0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:04.279 One thing I just wanted to mention to you the 0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:08.000 complicating factor here when you go outside this particular issue. 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:09.040 Of course, we talked. 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:11.279 About how Putin is going to be critical or the 0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:12.640 Iranian foreign minister going there. 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:13.800 They're asking him for help. 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:16.760 Of course, Trump and the rest of the Western world 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:20.240 needs Putin's help to end the war in Ukraine. Putin 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.799 is a savvy operator to stay out of Iran, to 0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:25.759 make sure he doesn't give support to Iran. He might 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.160 try and strengthen his hand in Ukraine watch out for 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:29.000 that in coming days. 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:33.240 The Australian government wants de escalation now. Of course, if 0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:36.760 we followed every single time the Australian Government says pull back, well, 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:40.200 history would be very different after the period of time 0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:44.480 of October seventh. Certainly those very groups we've been talking 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:47.239 about tonight that have been able to launch missiles, to 0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:50.560 interrupt trade, to keep things coming from the north, and 0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:54.160 even the situation now of remember, if the Iranians was 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.960 let's say, sixty seventy eighty percent close enough to a bomb, 0:47:57.960 --> 0:47:59.759 you just keep gibbering until you get tow one hundred 0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:01.759 percent right, I'll push it off, push it or push 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:04.640 it off. Well, that's basically what the Australian government's position 0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:07.320 has been through all of this. Andrew Hasty has spoken 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:09.719 on the behalf of the opposition in the past couple 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:13.239 of hours. His response a little more clear ride and 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:16.000 I would suggest where the majority of Australians are when 0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:18.960 it comes to stopping a country having a nuclear bomb 0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:23.640 that has promised promised to wipe another one off the map. 0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:27.480 This is a regime committed to the destruction of Israel, 0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:31.719 and our allies like the United States it's also a 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:38.640 highly repressive regime which has persecuted women, dissidents are religious minorities, 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:42.680 and that is why we support the actions today. 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:45.440 All right, of course, So Penny Wong Foreign Minister, de 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:48.239 Escalation Prime Minister about a week ago said that it 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:51.359 wasn't Australia's war. I won't lie as somebody who not 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:53.359 quite Maga wing but has been part of that hayo. 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:55.200 I I want to get into the third version of 0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:58.600 difficult things over the past twenty years. I didn't hate 0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:01.440 that statement then, but certainly after action has been taken 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:04.120 for the Australian government to basically go back to the GS. 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:07.239 We wish it didn't happen. Position pretty weird, showy. 0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:12.160 Look that the Australian government is so irrelevant now it 0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:14.239 has given up at seat at the table because of 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:17.919 stupid statements like this. The night of October seven, when 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:21.320 families were still searching for their loved ones, their bodies 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:24.600 weren't even called yet, Penny one called for restraint. A 0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:27.759 week ago on Sunday, she went on Insiders after the 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:31.680 Israeli strikes in Iran. She said she called for de 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:36.120 escalation and dialogue. There was some equivalents between Iran and Israel, 0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:40.640 calling for both sides to show restraint. Richard Miles this morning, 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:44.240 two hours before the strikes, he didn't know they were coming. 0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:47.440 I'd heard about it. Why hadn't he? Is Australia not 0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:51.120 being shared information in the five Ice intelligence circles. Now 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.680 he again was calling for a return to dialogue. Israel 0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:58.600 and Iran haven't had dialogue since pre nineteen seventy nine. 0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:01.640 What dialogue does he want them to return to? This 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:06.560 is absurd, It is so the Australian government is useless. 0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:11.520 How can they not endorse America and Israel removing the 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:15.640 nuclear threat of Iran, a threat that that. 0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:22.640 You know doesn't exclude Australia. It is utterly shocking. 0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:27.160 That Albanezi can't say we welcome this, thank you President 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:30.319 for making our world safer today. None of them can 0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:32.760 say it, and you know why, because of their blind 0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:38.239 hatred towards Israel. They can't say anything that endorses the 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:40.600 actions of Israel. That's what it comes down to. 0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:43.160 And we'll see whether we hide behind statements. We I 0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:45.000 hope things move on to another couple of days, or 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.520 does he go to Nado where they'll be yet another 0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:49.840 and again the Australian media will get very excited about 0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:53.960 being able to do body language suggestions about potential meetings 0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.320 between the President and the Prime Minister. But again the 0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:59.120 Australian government response today just pathetic. 0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:00.000 Paul just now. 0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.920 I wrote in the Weekend Australian about this on the weekend, 0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:06.520 and then today with the military action happens, it's even 0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:10.400 more pathetic. They're still talking about de escalation and dialogue. 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:11.560 It's now. 0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:14.480 The point here is for the reasons I've outlined earlier 0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:18.000 about how this action by Israel and America makes the 0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:22.799 world a safer place. Therefore, it's in Australia's strategic interests 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:25.520 that we support this action. And we've been pathetic. We 0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:28.800 have not given Israel any support, or the US any support. 0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:31.799 For moral support, diplomatic support, none of our words have 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:35.640 given them any support, and strategically it's in Australia's interest 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:39.640 to do so. Secondly, in moral terms, of course, as 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.640 a nation that stands up for freedom and democracy, we 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:45.880 should be standing for nations who are free and democratic 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:49.000 against theocratic dictatorships. 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:49.920 That are trying to take them out. So on a 0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:51.080 moral level and on. 0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:54.680 A strategic level, Australia should have supported this action and hasn't. 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:56.799 But the killer is the third point, and that. 0:51:56.840 --> 0:52:01.600 Is they've actually hurt Australia's alliance relationship with the US 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:03.200 by being so pissed weak. 0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:05.680 All they had to do is do the right thing, 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:08.080 and the bonus was guess. 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:11.719 What, Anthony Albernezi was actually quite useful to America. Sure, 0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:14.160 we haven't got all the money and weapons they would love. 0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:16.640 They're much bigger and more powerful than us, we all 0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:20.320 know that, but our voice of support in diplomatic circles 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.480 as a free and democratic nations would have helped them. 0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:26.080 It helps them diplomatically, they would have liked it. We 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:27.919 haven't even taken that opportunity. 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:31.360 And Penny One keeps claiming that she's taking this principled position. 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:37.640 It's an unprincipled, unethical position in aligning herself with radical 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:42.000 terrorist regimes instead of supporting those who try and take 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:42.760 away that threat. 0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:46.800 And the think again that let's imagine from the position 0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:48.759 that I don't want to repeat a rack, I don't 0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:51.440 want to repeat Afghanistan, but stud you can have the 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:55.320 clarity that today was a good day, that today something 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.120 good had taken place. Right, So this idea that no 0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:01.000 matter the circumstances, the answer is always the same from 0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:05.239 the Australian government is so frustrating to watch here, right, 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:08.319 and we know for all the obvious reasons, why with 0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:10.920 all the establishment media that will only view this in 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:13.200 the way that it is, which is yet again, you 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:15.799 know over each from Israel and Orange Man bad you 0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:18.880 know the narrative that will be there all day every day. Well, 0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:23.120 of course, not everyone's favorite former prime minister, but certainly 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.759 someone with that moral clarity was Scott Morrison when he 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.279 appeared here a bit earlier in the day. 0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:31.400 This was a necessary event. There were no other options 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:34.839 available to the president. I think President Trump has been 0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:36.760 very clear about seeking to get. 0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:37.840 An agreement with Iran. 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:42.279 This was completely rejected and made it very clear that 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:46.040 there was no negotiation. Now there was the opportunity for 0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:47.680 complete capitulation. 0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:50.560 All right, Like everyone at home, I've enjoyed this conversation 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:52.160 very much, but I've got a whole bunch of guests 0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:55.279 that are currently circling like planes waiting to land. But 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:57.480 a final thought from both of you will start with you, Chris. 0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:01.480 Look, I think look in coming days for the countries 0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:03.600 that will welcome this, or when you look at somewhere 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.279 like Saudi Arabia, they'll gently admonish it, but we know 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:08.399 it makes life better. That one country to look out 0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:13.640 for here is Iraq, a very very strong SAR presence 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:16.000 of the Shear in control in Iraq. They'll have a 0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:19.480 lot of sympathy for their enemies across in Iran, so 0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:23.279 they could be ones to watch. But generally speaking, the 0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:25.839 world is a safer place because of this action, and 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:29.040 because of that, I think we'll see some pleasing developments 0:54:29.040 --> 0:54:30.040 in days and weeks to come. 0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:31.040 You good stuff sharing. 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:34.120 I just want to end by recognizing the incredible leadership. 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:36.040 You know, most people in the media like to put 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:40.120 down Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminatijahu and Donald Trump, as you say, 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:44.600 but what we have seen that this is historic levels 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:50.120 of courage, bravery of taking a bold step to destroy 0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:53.200 a nuclear existential threat not just for Israel, but a 0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:56.400 threat for the world. Nadi Yahoo and Trump should be 0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:59.520 given that credit buying their controversial figures. 0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:00.920 They do that credit. 0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:03.360 And I heard a couple of commentators today and I 0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:07.040 think it's spot on. Comparing US commentators, I should say 0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:10.080 Australian ones would never make this comparison, but comparing that 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:13.160 moment to Ronald Reagan standing by the Berlin Gate and 0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:17.160 saying to Gorbachev, tear down the wall. And that's what 0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:21.440 the significance of what we've seen from Bibi and from 0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:24.640 Trump and the way they've worked together, the way also 0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:27.640 nedn Yah, because Israel did most of the heavy lifting. 0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:29.719 The way he first dealt with her Mus, then he 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:32.279 dealt with Hesbela, then when those threats were removed, because 0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:35.400 taking on a run when you've got it's proxy terrorist 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:38.080 army Hesbela firing rockets over the boarder would have been 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:41.400 extremely difficult. We've seen the Iron Dome already struggled in 0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:44.920 the weight of the incoming missiles from Tehran. So that 0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:48.239 you know, the strategy I think is just brilliant. 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:52.080 I know that. Again, there's a lot on You're both 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:54.360 planning big shows tomorrow. Thank you for coming in tonight, 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.520 Schry before us at o'clock east and tomorrow night and 0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:00.200 remember common sense kicks in at five o'clock with christ Any. 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:02.680 Thank you guys, Thank you all right. Sophie Ellsworth is 0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:05.320 our colleague and she's joining us right now. In Israel, 0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:07.359 where she has been for the past couple of days, 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:10.319 and she has seen the reaction. Sophie, love you to 0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:13.720 see you mate, incredible stuff you saw a bit earlier. Today, 0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:17.080 we're literally billboards in the streets of Israel are thanking 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:18.200 Donald Trump tonight. 0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:23.720 Well, it's really amazing to be here in Tel Aviv. 0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:26.000 And as you can see behind me, there are these 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:29.160 electronic billboards that have just gone up in the last 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:31.560 few hours saying thank you, mister President. 0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:35.080 There's a real sense here on the ground of relief. 0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:37.760 In Tel Aviv. People are quite happy. 0:56:38.280 --> 0:56:42.239 It's like a surreal moment, the devastation that they've been 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:44.840 through in the tragedy that this country. 0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:45.920 Has been through for so long. 0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:49.759 That feels like there's a sense of just we can 0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:53.040 breathe now, we can smile, we can feel okay. I 0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:55.000 saw a man just in the street walking around in 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:58.880 a President Donald Trump T shirt speaking to people in 0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:03.840 cafes because anything's here, Paula closed. They're relieved, they feel 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:07.560 like they've got ahead of this, but it is not 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:10.120 over yet. For we are just waiting here in Tel 0:57:10.160 --> 0:57:12.959 Aviv for that next siren to go off, for those 0:57:13.040 --> 0:57:16.680 next bone alerts to go off. It's very tense here 0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:19.680 and you're just constantly worried. Like I'm standing on this 0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:23.120 freeway now and running through my head is thinking where 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:25.400 am I going to be able to stop and run 0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:28.920 to a bomb shelter. You're just constantly thinking anything can 0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:30.760 happen here at any moment. 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:35.360 Interestingly, we're just getting some comments from merkias Starma which 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:37.640 have happened in the past couple of minutes. I'll turn 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:39.920 those around in a moment and show everyone. But I 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:42.040 want to make the most of our little window with 0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:45.880 you here again. I spoke about it with Shari and 0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:52.040 Chris right, But for Australians to understand what happens in 0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:55.080 a daily sense that obviously, because of the physical distance 0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:58.479 between Iran and Israel, there's a little bit of time 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.800 to know how something's coming in, go downstairs? Is it 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.840 basically every building, as Chris said before, it's down to 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:07.480 the car parks. Give me just a couple of examples 0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:09.919 of just you in the past couple of days. You'll 0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:13.800 be in a random location and it's all people welcome 0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:16.040 off the street. How does it work practically? 0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:20.479 So I was out on location the other day doing 0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:23.560 a story speaking to people who've just lost their homes. 0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:26.680 And the photographer and I were driving through the streets, 0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:31.040 you know, here in Israel, and we heard the sirens 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:33.439 go off on our phones. It learns go off. We're 0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:36.360 in a moving car. You just see people, Paul. 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:37.120 They start running. 0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:40.600 They're just running to the nearest house, the nearest location 0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:44.000 where there's a safe room or a bomb shelter. In 0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:47.400 our situation, there was a university that we were close to. 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.439 We had to run into that university. It's very got 0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:53.760 heavy security. Forget all that doors open. 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:56.160 Gates open. People are rushing you in. Come, come, come. 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:59.160 You're in these safe rooms, Paul. And you can feel 0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:02.680 the vibration and you can feel it happening under. 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:07.000 Your feet, and it's not great. You just think, when 0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:09.920 is this going to impact me or the next person. 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:13.040 You just constantly worried. But today I was down on 0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:15.640 Tel Aviv Beach. I just walked out of my hotel. 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:19.520 Sure enough, the emergency alert went on my phone. There 0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:21.680 were people out in the ocean swimming. Now they don't 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:25.160 have their phones on them, but suddenly the loud speakers 0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:28.000 all along Tel Aviv are yelling to people come in 0:59:28.080 --> 0:59:30.520 come in, get out of the ocean quickly, almost like 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:33.400 what happens in Australia when there's a shark. 0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:35.640 In the ocean. It's an emergency. Get out of there. 0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:39.360 People just running in their swimsuits to the nearest hotel. 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:42.360 Doesn't matter where they were saying, doesn't matter who they are, 0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:43.920 doesn't matter where they're from. 0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:46.080 Get somewhere saved. 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:48.720 While we're talking, I'm obviously just checking a bunch of 0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:50.240 other sources and I'm having a look at some of 0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:53.479 the reportage which is coming from our colleagues in the UK, 0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:57.960 and it is showing just basically again a whole bunch 0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:02.680 of one, two story, four story buildings that where all 1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:05.680 the windows have been blown out, essentially the tiles have 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:09.320 come off roofs, and its matchsticks. You would literally obviously 1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:11.600 know that a bomb has gone off. But because of 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:13.760 what you've just talked about, we're not talking about those 1:00:14.120 --> 1:00:18.440 casualty numbers. Again. As a visitor to a country like 1:00:18.520 --> 1:00:22.840 that at this extreme time, the emotional impact would be obvious. 1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:26.440 But if you get a chance to talk to a local, 1:00:26.920 --> 1:00:30.320 what do they talk about about this time and about 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:34.360 the danger to property or they know the division between 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:39.439 preserving life and danger to property that sometimes people in 1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:43.360 countries like ours don't always see. 1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:48.080 So Paul, this morning I was out in central Tel 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:51.840 Aviv talking to people on the ground, local Israeli's, Australians, 1:00:51.880 --> 1:00:54.360 even coming up Sky News viewers. We've got in the 1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:57.880 paper tomorrow several people We've spoken to you on the ground, 1:00:57.960 --> 1:00:58.880 locals who. 1:00:58.760 --> 1:01:00.880 Say this is we're nervous. 1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:04.560 While we thank Donald Trump for what he has achieved overnight, 1:01:04.840 --> 1:01:08.120 we are nervous. We're happy, but we're nervous. This is 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:11.800 not over yet. Cafe was just talking to this morning 1:01:11.840 --> 1:01:14.520 at Barista and he said they just ran into the 1:01:15.200 --> 1:01:19.000 safe room behind the cafe, everyone in there. But then, Paul, 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:22.160 an hour later, he can walk down the street and 1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:25.320 it's a weird feeling. People are just walking around, kids 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:29.080 are playing. It almost feels like what happened, nothing happened 1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:32.840 an hour ago. Things can change very quickly here. But 1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:35.360 as I have said on Sky the thing that shines 1:01:35.400 --> 1:01:37.080 through for me is the. 1:01:37.440 --> 1:01:39.600 Resilience of the Israelis. 1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:43.000 They band together, they stick together, and they are going 1:01:43.040 --> 1:01:45.680 to do everything they can to make sure they can 1:01:45.720 --> 1:01:49.040 come out of this as humanly possible unscathed. 1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:50.400 But many people. As we know. 1:01:50.440 --> 1:01:54.560 I've lost property, they've lost family members. The destruction is shocking, 1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:57.400 but there is a sense of hopeful and that's the 1:01:57.480 --> 1:02:00.560 message that I think Israelis really want to to stress 1:02:00.600 --> 1:02:00.760 to me. 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:03.160 But one thing I will add. There was one man 1:02:03.200 --> 1:02:03.840 at the cafe. 1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:07.240 I said I was an Australian reporter and he was livid. 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:10.440 He said, your government have done nothing for us and 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:13.120 he told me to leave. It got very hostile. So 1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:15.800 things can turn here on the ground. As a reporter, 1:02:16.480 --> 1:02:19.440 people can welcome you in as a journalist, and others 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:22.840 have reacted extremely badly once they know your form Australia. 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:25.439 And that's just a sense of what is happening from 1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:26.520 my own experience. 1:02:26.880 --> 1:02:29.520 Thank you, mate, what an extraordinary thing. Where over your 1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:34.240 shoulder those signs And then again people should always be 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:37.320 lovely to Sayphi, she's gorgeous, she's delightful, and she's in 1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:39.000 it for all the right reasons. Mate. Thank you for 1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:41.440 everything you're doing, both print, Internet and telling mate, we 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:45.600 really really appreciate it all the best. Thanks mate, Thanks Paul, 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:49.680 didn't you great? The euro of correspondent normally for the company, 1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:53.760 but she is currently in Tel Aviv. In Israel. Alex Rifkin, 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:58.160 my apologies is from the Australian Council of Jury, and 1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:01.360 he joins us now, sorry Alex about getting titles and 1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:03.520 names wrong, but I'm trying to think about seventey things 1:03:03.520 --> 1:03:07.560 at once. So Alex, nice to see you. Obviously, we've 1:03:07.640 --> 1:03:11.000 seen you over many many months in Australia dealing with 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:14.080 things like anti Semitism, but obviously as a person who's 1:03:14.240 --> 1:03:16.640 a great student of what's happening around the world. How 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:18.920 do you feel about the blow that has been struck 1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:23.200 on Iran? How decisive do you feel that it is? 1:03:24.680 --> 1:03:26.880 Well, Paul, I feel like we're living through one of 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:29.840 the most faithful moments in Jewish history and perhaps in 1:03:29.880 --> 1:03:34.440 world history. And what occurred today was a resounding blow 1:03:34.920 --> 1:03:39.520 by the United States, a spectacular demonstration of US power 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:42.520 and also the strength of the relationship between Israel and 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:44.480 the US. It hasn't always appeared that way to go 1:03:44.600 --> 1:03:47.920 to the previous administration, and when Donald Trump returned to 1:03:48.000 --> 1:03:51.760 power and was filling his administration, some were worried about 1:03:51.800 --> 1:03:54.560 some of his choices. But I think it's abundantly clear 1:03:55.120 --> 1:03:57.560 where President Trump stands and whether it's in the course 1:03:57.600 --> 1:04:01.480 of the negotiations of Iran through the into midiary oman 1:04:01.920 --> 1:04:04.760 whether he realized at that point that there that they 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:07.840 weren't serious, that they were simply using the negotiations to 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:10.800 creep close and closer to a bomb, or whether he 1:04:10.880 --> 1:04:13.280 knew it all along, but whatever it was as a 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:17.720 master's stroke, and partly through Israeli daring and power over 1:04:17.720 --> 1:04:20.800 the past twenty months, but particularly last week or so 1:04:21.000 --> 1:04:24.680 in its preliminary strikes against the IRGC, the military and 1:04:24.800 --> 1:04:28.360 nuclear sides and scientists, and now this devastating blow by 1:04:28.360 --> 1:04:30.520 the US. I think they're well on their way to 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:33.560 redrawing the Middle East and actually ushering in an era 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:34.920 of peace for the long term. 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:38.560 We know that part of the rhetorical response from Iran 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:41.360 is in part to suggest, look, you might have thought 1:04:41.400 --> 1:04:43.320 that this is where everything is, but we've moved it 1:04:43.360 --> 1:04:46.640 all around and there may well be other sites. Again, 1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:49.520 I don't want to ruin that feeling that has been 1:04:49.520 --> 1:04:53.760 building throughout the day of this being a seismic recorrection 1:04:53.840 --> 1:04:57.160 of what's taking place. But how should people take either 1:04:57.160 --> 1:04:59.919 with a grain of salt or as an insight into 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:04.920 what the other hand may be planning what runs rhetorical response. 1:05:04.560 --> 1:05:08.680 Is here, Well, I think there can be multiple truths 1:05:08.680 --> 1:05:11.240 at once. And on the one hand, I think very 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:15.080 clearly Iran has been dealt a very devastating blow, and 1:05:15.240 --> 1:05:17.200 not merely in the last twenty four hours, in the 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:19.520 last few weeks. But you look at what's happened in 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:23.120 the past twenty months with their proxy armies in Gaza, 1:05:23.160 --> 1:05:29.000 in Lebanon, the SAD regime, this was really the vanguard 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:33.320 of Iranian power projected abroad and they are now shattered, 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:37.720 largely through Israeli power. The pager attack against Hasberlava full 1:05:37.760 --> 1:05:41.040 of the SAD regime. What Israel's manat to accomplishing Gaza? 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:44.200 All of this, But we can't underestimate the regime. This 1:05:44.240 --> 1:05:46.280 is not a proxy force. This is a country of 1:05:46.360 --> 1:05:50.960 ninety million people with a revolutionary regime that's embedded itself 1:05:51.000 --> 1:05:54.120 into every aspect of society. It has a very powerful 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:58.400 internal militia, the Basiege, which maintains domestic power. It has 1:05:58.440 --> 1:06:01.800 the IRGC which projects to run in power abroad. It 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:04.760 has a strong military. So this is not the last 1:06:04.800 --> 1:06:07.280 whimp of the Ranian regime. And I think given what 1:06:07.400 --> 1:06:09.440 this regime has done in the past, in terms of 1:06:09.800 --> 1:06:13.400 international terrorism, I think we need to brace ourselves. We 1:06:13.440 --> 1:06:15.920 haven't seen the end of them, but certainly they've been 1:06:15.960 --> 1:06:19.840 dealt a very powerful blow. And looking at Donald Trump's statements, 1:06:19.840 --> 1:06:23.919 the intention is to now compel them, coerce them to negotiate, 1:06:24.360 --> 1:06:27.120 whereas previously they were just playing the world for fools 1:06:27.160 --> 1:06:29.560 and playing them like fiddles. And now they won't be 1:06:29.560 --> 1:06:30.680 allowed to do that any longer. 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:33.720 See. I'm so glad to hear you talk about that 1:06:33.800 --> 1:06:36.560 and that concept about those multiple truths, because it is 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:39.600 something that has been dawning on me, something that I've 1:06:39.640 --> 1:06:43.560 been trying to read into, trying to help understand, to 1:06:43.600 --> 1:06:47.520 explain to everyone watching us this evening, that reality of yes, 1:06:47.720 --> 1:06:50.600 has a giant step been taken today? Absolutely? Is it 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:54.880 the end, of course not. We know that literally runs 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:59.080 ability to respond and cause damage, as we saw with 1:06:59.160 --> 1:07:05.000 Sophie in Israel is still in existence. The ability potentially 1:07:05.160 --> 1:07:08.480 for other sites to be where other things have been 1:07:08.480 --> 1:07:11.720 taken when it comes to the nuclear program. Absolutely the case. 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:15.840 But give me an idea about what you're hearing from 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:19.360 friends and family in Israel about their sense of the 1:07:19.400 --> 1:07:22.120 past twenty four hours in what has been many many 1:07:22.160 --> 1:07:25.400 months and obviously many years of tension. 1:07:26.560 --> 1:07:29.800 Well look, I think Sophie captured it very beautifully in 1:07:29.840 --> 1:07:33.200 her reporting just a few minutes ago. Certainly there's a 1:07:33.280 --> 1:07:35.800 sense of fear and anxiety and terror. 1:07:36.160 --> 1:07:36.320 You know. 1:07:36.320 --> 1:07:39.200 I'm speaking to my best mate who formerly of Bondi, 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:41.360 Sydney and has lived in israelis at north of Tel 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:44.480 Aviv for about ten years now. He's got three young 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:48.440 kids and the attacks happened predominant nights, so they're being 1:07:48.520 --> 1:07:52.400 deprived of sleep night after night. The country's exhausted. They're 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:55.520 running to bombshelters all the time. You know, my friends 1:07:55.520 --> 1:07:58.600 describing hearing the world of the rockets flying past, and 1:07:58.640 --> 1:08:02.040 then occasionally it doesn't fly past and you hear and 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:04.160 you feel the impact someone in your media vicinity. 1:08:04.200 --> 1:08:05.000 It's terrifying. 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:07.920 I've got elderly relatives in high for the north of 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:12.440 the country who for years lived through hes blah at Tax, 1:08:12.520 --> 1:08:15.080 but this is on a whole different scale in terms 1:08:15.080 --> 1:08:18.599 of the ferocity and sophistication of the weapons. It's terrifying, 1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:20.840 But at the same time, there's a sense in this 1:08:20.960 --> 1:08:24.000 role that they're living through something deeply faithful and significant. 1:08:24.000 --> 1:08:26.760 I can only liken it to London is living through 1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:29.720 the Blitz. They're all rallying together, and I feel like 1:08:29.840 --> 1:08:31.800 what they're enduring, terrible as it is, it is a 1:08:31.840 --> 1:08:34.840 sacrifice in pursuit of a greater good, the defeat of 1:08:34.840 --> 1:08:38.400 a great evil. And they also feel this great kinship 1:08:38.400 --> 1:08:41.120 towards the Iranian people. They have no ill will towards 1:08:41.200 --> 1:08:43.599 them at all. They know that they're the first victims 1:08:43.640 --> 1:08:45.639 of the Iranian regime, and they yearn for a time 1:08:45.720 --> 1:08:49.320 again as a curred pre seventy nine, where the two 1:08:49.360 --> 1:08:51.880 peoples can live in fraternity and they can be pieced 1:08:51.880 --> 1:08:52.479 between them. 1:08:53.280 --> 1:08:55.280 Alex, thank you so much. Again. I'm not wasting time 1:08:55.320 --> 1:08:58.120 tonight by talking too much about the Australian government, its response. 1:08:58.200 --> 1:09:01.599 It's lack of response, it's it's itself out and they've 1:09:01.640 --> 1:09:04.799 removed themselves essentially from the discussion in the issue. But Alex, 1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:06.559 I was pleased to get you on and get your 1:09:06.600 --> 1:09:09.960 perspective as somebody who's been very much available to us, 1:09:10.040 --> 1:09:13.000 very much open and honest about what's been happening in 1:09:13.040 --> 1:09:14.719 that part of the world. Thank you, Alex, I appreciate 1:09:15.120 --> 1:09:16.840 thank you. J all right, all right, let me just 1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:18.880 reset some things here because we're in the middle of 1:09:18.920 --> 1:09:21.920 a two hour edition of Paul Murray Live. Normally, we're 1:09:21.960 --> 1:09:25.840 in the nine o'clock hour in the Eastern States. That 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:28.040 started a little bit earlier, and we'll be going a 1:09:28.080 --> 1:09:30.439 little bit later, so essentially we'll be moving all the 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:33.680 way through for about another hour. Why because let me 1:09:33.800 --> 1:09:35.920 set the scene for you about what is happening as 1:09:35.920 --> 1:09:39.960 we speak. Yes, Donald Trump has decided to take out 1:09:40.000 --> 1:09:44.479 those military facilities and go after the nuclear program of Iran, 1:09:44.960 --> 1:09:47.879 where Iran, in the past couple of hours has decided 1:09:47.880 --> 1:09:53.160 to respond by firing even deadly and missiles back towards Israel. 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:56.720 Right now, it is nine minutes past three in the 1:09:56.760 --> 1:10:01.760 afternoon on a Sunday afternoon in Iran. It is just 1:10:01.840 --> 1:10:05.479 gone twenty minutes to three o'clock in the afternoon in Israel, 1:10:05.880 --> 1:10:08.840 and in the morning in Washington, d C. The reason 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:11.880 I give you this time at twenty minutes to eight 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:14.559 o'clock in the morning is that at eight o'clock in 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:18.719 the morning local time, twenty minutes from now in Canberra, Melbourne, 1:10:18.760 --> 1:10:20.840 Sydney and Brisbane that will be the top of the 1:10:20.880 --> 1:10:24.160 next hour. At ten pm, we are due to hear 1:10:24.160 --> 1:10:26.920 from Pete Heigzeth. Pete Heggsseeth is, of course the Defense 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:30.840 Secretary of the United States. We are due to hear 1:10:30.880 --> 1:10:33.280 from him, and the expectations of what I've been able 1:10:33.320 --> 1:10:35.200 to glean while on the air here is that he 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:38.799 will be giving a detailed briefing. Now in military terms, 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:41.240 in news terms, you may well have heard of a 1:10:41.320 --> 1:10:44.679 term called the TikTok That is not the Chinese surveillance app. 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:49.960 This means what happened at what time and when. Obviously, 1:10:50.080 --> 1:10:52.799 we won't know everything of every base, of every moment, 1:10:52.880 --> 1:10:55.400 because there's a whole bunch of secrecy that both the 1:10:55.439 --> 1:10:58.400 Americans and Israelis would like to keep upon things. But 1:10:58.880 --> 1:11:01.800 we will probably hear about when flights were, maybe some 1:11:01.920 --> 1:11:07.080 refueling potentially, and most likely we may well get some footage. 1:11:07.160 --> 1:11:09.919 There is some satellite images that we're trying to verify, 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:11.519 which is why I haven't put them up on the 1:11:11.560 --> 1:11:15.600 air for you yet that had been taken over Tehran. 1:11:16.080 --> 1:11:18.120 Just because things turn up on social media does not 1:11:18.200 --> 1:11:20.519 mean they are automatically going to turn up on television. 1:11:20.520 --> 1:11:23.760 We want to make sure that we know what is 1:11:24.000 --> 1:11:26.360 true and is true to show you but that live 1:11:26.560 --> 1:11:29.160 picture right now is of a white house that have 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:34.080 had a very big few hours. Kiyostama is the United 1:11:34.360 --> 1:11:37.120 Kingdom's Prime Minister and he is one of many world 1:11:37.160 --> 1:11:40.600 leaders to respond. But before I get to him, the 1:11:40.640 --> 1:11:43.559 breaking news is that China has had a reaction to 1:11:43.600 --> 1:11:47.519 all of this put simply Iran much closer to Russia. 1:11:47.720 --> 1:11:50.799 Their foreign minister is actually on his way to Russia 1:11:50.880 --> 1:11:54.400 to meet with the Russian President, as Chris Kenny and 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:57.400 Sherry Markham were referring to before. Apart from all of 1:11:57.400 --> 1:12:01.600 the obvious difficulties and complications there, the issue is that 1:12:01.600 --> 1:12:04.400 if Vladimir Putin is some sort of a go between 1:12:04.720 --> 1:12:08.320 between Israel, the United States and Iran, that's one thing, 1:12:08.560 --> 1:12:10.759 but of course there is a want from the United 1:12:10.800 --> 1:12:14.040 States to get Russia and Ukraine to a position of peace, 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:16.800 so multiple issues there. On top of all of that 1:12:17.000 --> 1:12:20.240 is again the situation playing out when it comes to China, 1:12:20.520 --> 1:12:23.680 who have previously said that they have a loyalty to 1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:27.200 helping Russia and of course an affinity to what is 1:12:27.360 --> 1:12:31.240 happening in Iran and Iran. So the Chinese Foreign Ministry 1:12:31.280 --> 1:12:34.639 has just released a statement forgive me the glasses come 1:12:34.640 --> 1:12:36.840 on and off during breaking news, but it is said 1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:40.519 here that it strongly condemns what's taken place. China calls 1:12:40.560 --> 1:12:43.880 on all parties in the conflict, especially Israel, to cease 1:12:43.920 --> 1:12:48.040 fire as soon as possible. That is the statement from China. 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:48.920 Russia. 1:12:49.080 --> 1:12:50.800 We hear from them in the next little while, as 1:12:50.880 --> 1:12:55.400 the Iranian Foreign minister. While missiles are being lobbed from 1:12:55.840 --> 1:12:58.360 Iran into Israel, which is why you can see the 1:12:58.360 --> 1:13:00.840 pictures that you currently do there. The reason you don't 1:13:00.840 --> 1:13:04.559 hear about death and destruction is because people go straight 1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:07.800 into the basement, and because of the proximity of quite 1:13:07.840 --> 1:13:09.519 a period of time that it were taken missile to 1:13:09.560 --> 1:13:12.320 go from Oran to Israel, they get enough warning to 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:15.280 be able to go downstairs. But as I said, Keirstarmer 1:13:15.600 --> 1:13:18.559 is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, his defense 1:13:18.640 --> 1:13:22.200 officials were confirming in the past year hour or so 1:13:22.520 --> 1:13:26.519 that they were informed that the bombs were on their 1:13:26.560 --> 1:13:29.439 way before they landed. Now, whether that was before the 1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:31.880 order was given, but that of course was many hours 1:13:31.920 --> 1:13:34.439 before the bombs hit, or between when the order was 1:13:34.479 --> 1:13:37.719 given and the bombs landed, we'll all find out together 1:13:37.760 --> 1:13:40.160 in the next couple of days, but normally the special 1:13:40.160 --> 1:13:42.840 relationship would mean the United States and the United Kingdom 1:13:43.040 --> 1:13:46.160 in lockstep. Let's see what happens in relation to this 1:13:46.360 --> 1:13:47.400 moment in history. 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:52.599 We've long had concerns about the Ordian nuclear program and 1:13:53.560 --> 1:13:56.920 been very clear that Dran cannot have a nuclear weapon. 1:13:57.360 --> 1:14:00.719 The US has now taken action to alleviate the threat. 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:05.560 It is important that we now de escalate the situation, 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:10.960 stabilize the region, and get the parties back around the 1:14:11.000 --> 1:14:14.400 table to negotiate. And I've been speaking with international leaders 1:14:14.840 --> 1:14:16.799 this morning to that end. So I want to reassure 1:14:16.800 --> 1:14:19.600 the British public that we're doing everything we can to 1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:23.559 stabilize the situation, to de escalate the situation and to 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:26.720 get to a negotiated outcome. But I'm very clear in 1:14:26.760 --> 1:14:29.240 my own mind that around cannot be allowed to have 1:14:29.280 --> 1:14:32.040 a nuclear weapon. That is the greatest threat to stability 1:14:32.040 --> 1:14:32.599 in the region. 1:14:34.240 --> 1:14:36.000 All right, let's just be joined by two new guests 1:14:36.040 --> 1:14:38.000 who've got plenty to say about what has happened in 1:14:38.040 --> 1:14:41.160 the part of the while former Ambassador of Australia to Israel, 1:14:41.280 --> 1:14:43.840 Dave Sharma, of course, a Senator for New South Wales 1:14:43.880 --> 1:14:46.479 in the Federal Parliament and John Roscombe has been very patient, 1:14:46.680 --> 1:14:48.120 not just waiting to work out what he's going to 1:14:48.120 --> 1:14:50.280 be doing for the IPA or riding in the financial Review, 1:14:50.400 --> 1:14:52.720 but listening along with everyone at home, but one of 1:14:52.760 --> 1:14:54.880 the big brains of our country. Normally we'd be talking 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:56.960 about all sorts of issues, but there's only one we'll 1:14:56.960 --> 1:15:01.040 focus on tonight. Dave, your response to the government's response 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:03.599 which seems to be very close to countries like Saudi 1:15:03.640 --> 1:15:06.959 Arabia and China, which is the conversation about de escalation 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:10.720 rather than recognizing the enormity of the United States action 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:12.120 in the past twenty four hours. 1:15:13.479 --> 1:15:16.160 Look, I've been a little confused by the government response 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:18.840 and generally speaking by the absence of the government on 1:15:18.840 --> 1:15:21.000 there's something. People in Australia want to know what their 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:24.160 government thinks and do they support the action the United 1:15:24.160 --> 1:15:27.000 States has taken or not. Now, you know, no one 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:29.280 ever wants to seek conflict to all war, but I 1:15:29.280 --> 1:15:32.680 think we've reached the point where the ran nuclear ambitions, 1:15:32.760 --> 1:15:36.680 the failure of nuclear talks, that other steps had to 1:15:36.680 --> 1:15:39.400 be taken to preventer around from obtaining a nuclear weapon. 1:15:39.720 --> 1:15:42.320 The United States has taken those. Israel has taken those 1:15:42.360 --> 1:15:44.360 as well, and that's not something that we should be 1:15:44.760 --> 1:15:47.840 shoying away from what hazardant about here in Australia. 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:50.000 John, your thoughts on what's happened in the past twenty 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:52.680 four hours and again, now Australia thankfully is not in 1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:54.519 the middle of these things, which means we've all had 1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:57.720 a very peaceful weekend. But we have an opportunity to 1:15:57.720 --> 1:16:01.240 be part of the national conversation, part of the decision 1:16:01.320 --> 1:16:04.360 making process. We know that our Prime Minister couldn't get 1:16:04.360 --> 1:16:06.760 FaceTime with the President. Instead, he went back to deal 1:16:06.800 --> 1:16:09.120 with this situation. While doing it, of course, he whacked 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:11.920 up two flagpoles either side of the White House, so 1:16:12.000 --> 1:16:14.479 his time wasn't completely busy. We also expect in the 1:16:14.479 --> 1:16:17.320 next fifteen minutes to hear from the US Defense Secretary, 1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:20.280 but again the Australian impact into all of this. While 1:16:20.320 --> 1:16:21.880 we have a look at some of the pictures of 1:16:21.920 --> 1:16:24.680 the announcement which is due to come in from the Pentagon. 1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:28.559 That's the picture we're working like clockwork. Obviously very interesting 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:31.080 to note that to the right of your TV screen 1:16:31.240 --> 1:16:33.639 or mobile wherever you're watching us right now, you will 1:16:33.680 --> 1:16:35.800 be able to see that plasma screen. That means they're 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:38.400 going to be showing some not just maps, maybe photos, 1:16:38.479 --> 1:16:41.439 maybe video, and not one but two podiums. All of 1:16:41.439 --> 1:16:44.759 that fascinating deceit all right, John, enough intro your response. 1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:50.520 Well, Paul, as you've been talking about tonight, the consequences 1:16:50.560 --> 1:16:52.200 of what's happened. 1:16:52.280 --> 1:16:56.760 We will know in months and years. The President has 1:16:56.760 --> 1:16:59.200 said the operation was successful. We hope it was. 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:03.799 And as the Senator just pointed out, we've been shown 1:17:03.880 --> 1:17:04.839 up by the rest. 1:17:04.640 --> 1:17:08.520 Of the world. When Kiir Starmer can be more. 1:17:08.360 --> 1:17:13.400 Supportive of US operations than the Australian government, we have 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:18.600 a very big challenge. It wasn't necessary, perhaps for the 1:17:18.640 --> 1:17:23.400 Prime Minister to explicitly endorse the US actions, but at 1:17:23.520 --> 1:17:28.800 least implicitly acknowledging that Iran can't have nuclear weapons, and 1:17:28.960 --> 1:17:31.719 it's not a position that the Prime Minister or Pennywong 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:35.640 can take, and they are out of step with democratic 1:17:35.720 --> 1:17:37.559 opinion around the world. 1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:40.960 But obviously, Senator, the theory would be here that any 1:17:41.000 --> 1:17:42.840 and anything to do with Donald Trump is going to 1:17:42.840 --> 1:17:46.240 be politically toxic. So therefore, if your default position is 1:17:46.240 --> 1:17:50.360 to somehow be at the very least skeptical or very 1:17:50.479 --> 1:17:54.080 very late to the party that only works for their 1:17:54.120 --> 1:17:57.000 standing in Australia. 1:17:57.280 --> 1:17:59.879 Look, I think that's possibly Rdaman. I think that's struggled 1:17:59.880 --> 1:18:04.600 to mature beyond the student union mindset in approaching international 1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:10.920 issues like this. I mean, throughout their calls to action, 1:18:11.040 --> 1:18:13.000 if you like, have been completely at odds with the 1:18:13.040 --> 1:18:15.040 reality on the ground, whether it was the call for 1:18:15.479 --> 1:18:18.040 Israel and Iran to have direct dialogue when the two 1:18:18.080 --> 1:18:20.559 countries have not spoken for forty five years, Iran does 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:24.080 not recognize Israel, the calls for de escalation, even this 1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:26.280 morning from Richard Marles. I mean, I think that's so 1:18:26.400 --> 1:18:29.760 focused on process that they've lost sort of outcome here 1:18:29.760 --> 1:18:32.200 and what is it that's in Australia's national interest And 1:18:32.240 --> 1:18:35.680 it's clearly in Australia's national interests in Iran that it 1:18:35.800 --> 1:18:40.360 is no longer able to terrorize, harm and destabilize its neighbors. 1:18:41.520 --> 1:18:45.519 But also, John, let's let's be honest here, and for 1:18:45.600 --> 1:18:49.719 many Australians right, the sense of maybe twenty years ago, 1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:51.679 the sense of for one of a better term good 1:18:51.720 --> 1:18:56.080 and evil has been complicated by the experiences of what 1:18:56.160 --> 1:18:59.080 happened when it came to Iraq and Afghanistan. I know 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:01.200 that plays out in the United States in terms of 1:19:01.240 --> 1:19:03.160 the Forever Wars, a lot of things to do with that. 1:19:03.560 --> 1:19:06.439 There's also a great deal of emotional complexity in and 1:19:06.439 --> 1:19:10.200 around Gaza about what's proportional, what's too much. And this 1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:13.160 falling on top of all of that is that, in 1:19:13.240 --> 1:19:16.519 part not necessarily what the government, but what many average 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:19.160 Australians when trying to think about all of this, that 1:19:19.240 --> 1:19:23.160 it's all in one pot, when the reality is that, yeah, okay, maybe, 1:19:23.200 --> 1:19:26.439 but there are very individual things that you can have 1:19:27.160 --> 1:19:28.439 complex opinions about. 1:19:30.360 --> 1:19:32.479 Look, that's exactly right, Paul, and I think there's a 1:19:32.520 --> 1:19:33.360 few other things. 1:19:33.920 --> 1:19:35.240 We tend to personalize. 1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:38.200 The relationship with the United States our most important ally, 1:19:38.320 --> 1:19:41.240 So if there's someone like Obama, we like America. 1:19:41.280 --> 1:19:45.000 If it's someone like Trump, we don't. But you said 1:19:45.000 --> 1:19:46.120 something really important. 1:19:46.120 --> 1:19:51.280 I think we've tended to relativize good and evil. And 1:19:51.320 --> 1:19:55.440 for me as an Australian, my parents came to Australia 1:19:55.520 --> 1:19:58.240 after the Second World War, for me as an Australian 1:19:58.240 --> 1:20:02.360 to see the reaction of so many Australians to what 1:20:02.479 --> 1:20:07.000 happened on the seventh of October in Israel to see 1:20:07.040 --> 1:20:12.600 a reaction that didn't recognize evil, that didn't recognize Sometimes 1:20:13.120 --> 1:20:15.559 actions need to be taken that are not ideal, but 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:21.679 necessary to defend people and countries. That to me showed 1:20:21.680 --> 1:20:25.320 an Australia that I don't recognize, and I think increasingly 1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:30.080 many Australians don't recognize. And this is another example of 1:20:30.120 --> 1:20:33.520 how we've tended to perhaps lose our moral compass. 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:37.400 Yeah, and again, Senator, the reality is that compared to 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:42.639 where we were twenty years ago, thirty years ago, many 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:46.960 Australians watching events like this may well not know a 1:20:47.000 --> 1:20:49.400 single person from any of the countries of which we 1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:53.479 are talking about, But twenty thirty years later they could 1:20:53.560 --> 1:20:58.720 be colleagues, friends, fellow Australians. That's really important too in 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:01.360 all of this, right, because again, we don't want anyone, 1:21:01.920 --> 1:21:05.760 regardless of whatever side, all the rest of it ancient conflicts, 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:08.520 to come here. We want people to have the experience 1:21:08.600 --> 1:21:11.439 that many people have had for many decades, which is, 1:21:11.479 --> 1:21:14.000 regardless of where you come from, you turn up here 1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:15.840 and you go, how good's this joint? Great? What can 1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:16.559 I do to help? 1:21:16.720 --> 1:21:16.800 All? 1:21:16.920 --> 1:21:21.360 Right? But this is part of again the emotional response 1:21:21.439 --> 1:21:25.840 the media response, the political response is that again, it's 1:21:25.880 --> 1:21:28.680 not the other side of the world. It is obviously physically, 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:31.120 but it's not emotionally. For an awful lot of people, 1:21:31.439 --> 1:21:35.280 regardless of where in and around that map people have 1:21:35.360 --> 1:21:37.200 friends or family all were from. 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:38.200 No. 1:21:38.400 --> 1:21:42.840 Look, that's very true, bull and it's an immensely complicated 1:21:42.880 --> 1:21:45.679 part of the world. And even just since the seventh 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:48.120 of October. I mean, if you're in Australian and you've 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:52.400 been following the news, you've had the hamas Terrists attacks, Israel's. 1:21:51.960 --> 1:21:52.559 War and Ghazi. 1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:55.120 You've had a war between Israel and Hezbela and Lebanon. 1:21:55.160 --> 1:21:57.479 You've had the booties blocking shipping in the Red Sea. 1:21:57.520 --> 1:22:00.320 You've had the regime of Bashar al Assadful. Now you've 1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:03.480 got this thing in Iran happening. It's pretty hard to 1:22:03.520 --> 1:22:06.040 stay in breast of what's going on. And I don't, 1:22:06.280 --> 1:22:09.960 you know, I don't I completely understand many Australians think 1:22:10.000 --> 1:22:12.200 this is just another chapter in what seems to be 1:22:12.200 --> 1:22:15.920 a region that's in that's in conflict. But I think 1:22:15.920 --> 1:22:18.560 that's why it's important to you know, it's why it 1:22:18.560 --> 1:22:20.360 would be good to hear from the government about this, 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:23.519 about where do Australia's national interests slide. How do we 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:27.439 see this conflict? And frankly, I mean, yes, we should 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:29.519 be speaking about it, we should be analyzing this, but 1:22:30.160 --> 1:22:32.599 you know, we don't want to be importing this conflict either. 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:35.120 We don't need people to be picking sides or joining 1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:36.920 a team or anything else like that. We all need 1:22:36.920 --> 1:22:39.720 to be on Australia side and saying, you know, this 1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:42.480 is where Australia's national interests slide. This is how Australia 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:44.960 should be approaching and is seeing this issue. 1:22:45.400 --> 1:22:47.720 When we started this broadcast, the best part of it 1:22:47.800 --> 1:22:49.719 ninety minutes ago, I said that one of the things 1:22:49.720 --> 1:22:55.439 that mattered was how Iran responds. Now, Iran has lifted 1:22:55.840 --> 1:22:59.439 the amount and type of ordinance that they're throwing towards Israel. 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:02.400 Two maps that are really worth talking about here. One 1:23:02.439 --> 1:23:05.600 is the United States and where it has much of 1:23:05.640 --> 1:23:11.719 its defenses, bases or ships, soldiers, all types of people 1:23:11.760 --> 1:23:14.240 in their defense force. Those are the red dots are 1:23:14.240 --> 1:23:17.360 about to show you. Those are the red dots in 1:23:17.400 --> 1:23:21.720 and around places like as you can see places like 1:23:21.800 --> 1:23:25.000 Kuwait very close to Iran. Now I want to show 1:23:25.000 --> 1:23:26.719 you the second one, which is there's a whole bunch 1:23:26.760 --> 1:23:28.720 of military ordinance that don't make it all the way 1:23:28.720 --> 1:23:32.240 to Israel. We know that they have been pummeling Israel 1:23:32.280 --> 1:23:35.120 and sending plenty of things their way, but the stuff 1:23:35.160 --> 1:23:37.439 that they haven't been using to go that far, they'd 1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:39.679 be able to hit a lot of those little red dots, 1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:43.080 which of course are wear the Americans currently are on 1:23:43.120 --> 1:23:45.960 top of that, they have the capacity, as you can 1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:49.320 see there in the bottom of the map, you can 1:23:49.320 --> 1:23:52.920 see how there's like a little sort of snaggle tooth. Well, 1:23:52.960 --> 1:23:58.439 that very small area is vital to the world shipping lanes, 1:23:58.720 --> 1:24:01.040 and if Iran wanted to do a thing to disrupt that, 1:24:01.080 --> 1:24:04.519 there would be major issues. Interestingly, because it is on 1:24:04.560 --> 1:24:07.599 the weekend, because we don't know what Iran's response has been. 1:24:08.240 --> 1:24:10.559 The price of oil has only increased by about fifty 1:24:10.560 --> 1:24:14.760 cents globally, But john of what Iran does now we 1:24:14.840 --> 1:24:17.320 know that sleeper cells are all the way around the world, 1:24:17.400 --> 1:24:19.640 or our kaider on their behalf may well decide to 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:22.479 pick up arms. But what do you think about that 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:24.800 very small patch of land, a very small bit of 1:24:24.800 --> 1:24:28.200 the sea that could cause havoc for the world, And 1:24:28.320 --> 1:24:31.960 it's not about necessarily firing shots, it's about slowing down ships. 1:24:33.880 --> 1:24:36.960 Well, it absolutely could, Paul, and this is why it's 1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:40.120 going to be weeks and months before we know all 1:24:40.120 --> 1:24:43.240 the consequences. So you've spoken about the potential impact on 1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:47.240 the price of oil, this speculation that this conflict could 1:24:47.760 --> 1:24:50.960 cause world stop markets to drop by some ten percent. 1:24:51.080 --> 1:24:53.440 So we'll see what happens tomorrow on the ASX. 1:24:54.200 --> 1:25:00.280 This has got many different dimensions to it, and we're 1:25:00.280 --> 1:25:04.760 going to have to understand and hope that Iran understands 1:25:04.880 --> 1:25:08.280 it can't win in this situation. As you've identified from 1:25:08.280 --> 1:25:11.920 that map, America can project. 1:25:11.280 --> 1:25:13.879 Overwhelming force into that region. 1:25:14.240 --> 1:25:17.240 The challenge for the Americans is it might potentially be 1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:20.479 committed to two other theaters as well well. 1:25:20.520 --> 1:25:22.960 And that's the issue too, very correct, right, which is 1:25:23.000 --> 1:25:25.439 that we are talking about all sorts of things from 1:25:25.479 --> 1:25:28.000 Taiwan all the way through to Ukraine and obviously these 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:31.360 parts of the Middle East. But again, it's not about 1:25:31.360 --> 1:25:34.200 speculating for the sake of it, David, It's about trying 1:25:34.280 --> 1:25:37.360 to bring people into the conversation about not just why 1:25:37.400 --> 1:25:40.720 it matters, but what those potential consequences are. Again, we're 1:25:40.760 --> 1:25:42.760 waiting to hear from the US Defense Secretary as soon 1:25:42.800 --> 1:25:45.960 as he starts speaking, will interrupt whatever's taking place here. 1:25:46.439 --> 1:25:51.719 But how Iran responds vitally important, isn't it here, because 1:25:52.080 --> 1:25:54.200 that's the conversation about whether we go to the whole 1:25:54.240 --> 1:25:57.240 new level, and then how America responds to Iran's response, 1:25:57.280 --> 1:25:59.439 and then the story of the Middle East is response 1:25:59.479 --> 1:26:01.160 to response to response to response. 1:26:02.160 --> 1:26:05.479 Yeah, I think that's the big unknown at this point, Fallen. Look, 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:08.400 I think Iran has a number of options here. Obviously, 1:26:08.479 --> 1:26:11.800 they're continuing to find missiles at Israel, but there are 1:26:12.200 --> 1:26:15.719 significant concentrations of US forces and personnel in the region, 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:19.679 whether it's Bahrain, Qatar, in Kuwait, even in places like Iraq. 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:25.200 But there's also commercial shipping, so there's the straighter for moves, 1:26:25.200 --> 1:26:27.640 which carries a lot of the world's oil traffic. But 1:26:27.680 --> 1:26:30.080 there's also the Babble Munda, which leads into the Red 1:26:30.120 --> 1:26:33.840 Sea and the Suez Canal. Now, if Iran chooses to 1:26:34.800 --> 1:26:37.720 seek to disrupt shipping or attack US forces, I think 1:26:37.720 --> 1:26:39.920 it will invite a response in turn, and that will 1:26:39.920 --> 1:26:44.000 probably pose a risk to the survival of the Iranian 1:26:44.080 --> 1:26:46.880 leadership and the regime. And I think that's what they'll 1:26:46.880 --> 1:26:49.800 be weighing up. They've got their nation's interest, but they 1:26:49.800 --> 1:26:54.600 also have regime survival interests if you like, and you 1:26:54.880 --> 1:26:58.080 can they keep the Islamic Republic of Iran going. And 1:26:58.120 --> 1:27:01.559 so I don't know if we'll ness necessarily see a response. 1:27:01.600 --> 1:27:03.840 Certainly we should be prepared for it. Certainly, I think 1:27:04.360 --> 1:27:07.519 the US has assets in place and has increased hardening 1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:10.920 measures to deal with that. And certainly our advice to 1:27:11.120 --> 1:27:14.040 travelers and Australians in the region is to be mindful 1:27:14.040 --> 1:27:16.200 of those risks. But I think we need to see 1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:18.519 what unfold, and I think Iran will need to be 1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:20.400 weighing this up very carefully. 1:27:20.680 --> 1:27:22.400 Yeah, just before I ask John and another question, can 1:27:22.400 --> 1:27:24.040 we go to the full shot of what's happening there 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:26.120 with the Pentagon, because I just want to go through 1:27:26.120 --> 1:27:28.599 again some of the detail that we're starting to see here. 1:27:28.720 --> 1:27:31.519 You can see television screen potentially, that's where we're going 1:27:31.560 --> 1:27:34.519 to see maps and video. They love a prop in 1:27:34.600 --> 1:27:39.440 American politics and certainly the discussions in and around military operations. 1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:41.360 That's what you can see to the right of your 1:27:41.400 --> 1:27:45.120 screen right now. So we're going to see presumably some photos, 1:27:45.120 --> 1:27:50.960 some maps, potentially some video. John, again, the difficulty for 1:27:51.000 --> 1:27:55.200 the Trump administration in particular was the want to not 1:27:55.320 --> 1:27:59.800 be involved in an Iraq or in Afghanistan. The expectation 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:03.600 and the statements from the president essentially are this was 1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:06.960 one and done. Do you expect that sort of a 1:28:07.000 --> 1:28:10.840 message to be heard from these podiums that look, we've 1:28:10.880 --> 1:28:12.840 done what we've done and we have no plans to 1:28:12.880 --> 1:28:15.400 do anything else or they always have to leave a 1:28:15.439 --> 1:28:16.320 door open somewhere. 1:28:18.560 --> 1:28:23.120 That's a key question, and the so called magabase, as 1:28:23.160 --> 1:28:27.559 you know Paul, has been split on this. The thing 1:28:28.080 --> 1:28:31.280 for Americans to understand and us in Australia to know 1:28:31.920 --> 1:28:36.040 is that the unbridled trust that we had in American 1:28:36.120 --> 1:28:40.000 decision making and their capacity to undertake regime change and 1:28:40.040 --> 1:28:43.760 build democracies, as you identified at the beginning of this discussion, 1:28:44.360 --> 1:28:48.280 has been challenged. The American ability to build nations hasn't 1:28:48.280 --> 1:28:53.040 been overwhelmingly successful. So that is something that I think 1:28:53.080 --> 1:28:57.040 Australians and Americans and people around the world understand. And 1:28:57.080 --> 1:29:01.400 as many people have said, the irony of Donald Trump 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:06.800 being an America first president ending forever wars and he 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:09.800 said he'd end the Ukraine War quickly he said he'd 1:29:09.800 --> 1:29:10.639 fix the Middle East. 1:29:11.360 --> 1:29:14.120 None of those two things have happened. 1:29:15.040 --> 1:29:18.519 And I think you're right that Donald Trump may well 1:29:18.560 --> 1:29:23.240 have to leave the door open to further action, which 1:29:23.320 --> 1:29:29.439 will then encourage further debate in the US and even 1:29:29.520 --> 1:29:32.799 debates on the floor of the Congress as to whether 1:29:33.240 --> 1:29:35.360 he needs to declare war or not. So this has 1:29:35.360 --> 1:29:38.400 been a purely defensive action, but that's a very live 1:29:38.479 --> 1:29:40.760 discussion in the US as well, which he has done 1:29:40.800 --> 1:29:44.160 this without congressional approval well, and to that question too, 1:29:44.200 --> 1:29:46.439 And I know that we're very close to this key 1:29:46.680 --> 1:29:49.200 news moment in understanding, so I won't. 1:29:48.960 --> 1:29:51.920 Overstep too far. But I've got to say, as somebody 1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:55.080 who's been Trump lived for pro Trump on the train, 1:29:55.120 --> 1:29:58.759 off the train, whatever, the Forever Wars part was actually 1:29:58.840 --> 1:30:04.240 quite significant to me. So I'm desperately concerned about Okay, 1:30:04.320 --> 1:30:07.200 will come in and help, but certainly not a boots 1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:10.160 on the ground scenario. But obviously, as Israel was able 1:30:10.160 --> 1:30:12.919 to show to the ability to knock out any air defense, 1:30:13.400 --> 1:30:15.760 essentially meant that they didn't need any of that, and 1:30:15.800 --> 1:30:18.559 it was obviously able to happen from the flyover. But 1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:21.040 interesting to note that somebody who was sort of chief 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:25.320 amongst those discussing things like Forever Wars in Steve Bannon 1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:29.799 on his variety of broadcasts which nobody should convince themselves 1:30:29.920 --> 1:30:32.479 or anything other than pretty significant about an insight into 1:30:32.560 --> 1:30:36.400 the magaland he was starting to bend the knee. And 1:30:36.479 --> 1:30:38.680 why wouldn't he, Because of course there's what three and 1:30:38.760 --> 1:30:41.439 a half years left of a presidency, and certainly many 1:30:41.479 --> 1:30:44.080 of those people know proximity two power is what in 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:46.960 part brings attention to them. Let me reset here again. 1:30:47.000 --> 1:30:48.800 We're at the top of the hour in the East 1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:52.879 coast of Australia, which is right now just ten pm. 1:30:53.160 --> 1:30:56.040 It has just gone eight am in Washington, DC. What 1:30:56.040 --> 1:30:59.280 you're about to see on your screen is the Defense 1:30:59.280 --> 1:31:02.240 Secretary of the United States, Pete Hegzeth, who will be 1:31:02.360 --> 1:31:06.320 joined by a general who was the person responsible for 1:31:06.320 --> 1:31:10.320 the nuts and bolts of the hitting of the Iranian 1:31:10.400 --> 1:31:14.559 nuclear assets. His name is General Dan Cain. He will 1:31:14.560 --> 1:31:17.639 be joining the Defense Secretary to explain for the detail 1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:21.200 of exactly what took place in and around I'm going 1:31:21.240 --> 1:31:24.599 to say brunch time Australian time, and then on its 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:27.479 way in towards lunchtime, and this afternoon and this evening. 1:31:27.560 --> 1:31:30.439 In terms of reaction, as soon as they appear at 1:31:30.479 --> 1:31:34.479 the lecterns again, they will either be military precise, or 1:31:34.960 --> 1:31:37.080 like many things to do in breaking news environments, they 1:31:37.080 --> 1:31:39.840 could be many minutes late. Either way, we will make 1:31:39.880 --> 1:31:42.200 sure that we remain commercial free, to make sure that 1:31:42.240 --> 1:31:45.600 the second that they appear, we will be in that conversation. 1:31:45.880 --> 1:31:49.040 We're also going to be joined by former British Commander 1:31:49.960 --> 1:31:53.800 Richard Kemp. We're currently in conversation with John Roscombe from 1:31:53.840 --> 1:31:55.600 the IPA. You can also read his stuff in the 1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:58.599 Financial Review. One of the great free thinkers of our country. 1:31:58.800 --> 1:32:02.479 Speaking of Dave Sharman, former Ambassador of Australia to Israel 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:06.719 and Liberal Senator for New South Wales. Now, in terms 1:32:06.800 --> 1:32:11.200 of Iran and its response, it already has, for want 1:32:11.200 --> 1:32:13.920 of a better term, taken up a certain type of 1:32:14.120 --> 1:32:18.400 arms towards Australia, Dave, and that is cyber attacks. Literally, 1:32:18.479 --> 1:32:20.960 there are thousands and thousands of them that happen each 1:32:20.960 --> 1:32:24.400 and every day. We know that state actors like Iran, 1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:27.360 North Korea and China are principally the ones that are 1:32:27.400 --> 1:32:31.559 often identified for everything from literally hacking into the maps 1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:34.280 of the AS headquarters from years ago, all the way 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:37.920 through to the computer systems at Parliament House. So in 1:32:37.960 --> 1:32:39.760 many ways, if people are going to say again it's 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:43.920 over there, who cares. That's no responsible person's position. But 1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:48.080 the reality is is that the Iranian cyber fingers stretch 1:32:48.080 --> 1:32:48.799 across the world. 1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:55.479 They do, Paul, I mean the extraterritorial activities, whether it's 1:32:55.520 --> 1:33:01.439 cyber attacks, but it's also sometimes fundraising recruitment, you know, 1:33:01.640 --> 1:33:05.840 indoctrination that Iran and the state arms have done is 1:33:05.960 --> 1:33:06.720 quart remarkable. 1:33:06.760 --> 1:33:12.759 I mean sorry, sorry, Sanada pet Haggsath is the Defense 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:16.000 Secretary in the United States. He speaks now about the operation. 1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:18.679 We all live in Washington here on scot News, so thank. 1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:22.080 You for joining us this morning. Last night, on President 1:33:22.120 --> 1:33:27.280 Trump's orders, US Central Command conducted a precision strike in 1:33:27.320 --> 1:33:30.840 the middle of the night against three nuclear facilities in 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:35.479 Iran for doah Ntans and Esfahan in order to destroy 1:33:36.439 --> 1:33:40.080 or severely degrade Iran's nuclear program. And as the Chairman 1:33:40.080 --> 1:33:44.640 of the Joint Chiefs will demonstrate, it was an incredible 1:33:45.320 --> 1:33:47.000 and overwhelming success. 1:33:48.120 --> 1:33:48.680 The order we. 1:33:48.680 --> 1:33:53.240 Received from our Commander in chief was focused, it was powerful, 1:33:53.960 --> 1:33:59.520 and it was clear, we devastated the Iranian nuclear program, 1:34:00.760 --> 1:34:03.879 but it's worth noting the operation did not target Iranian 1:34:03.920 --> 1:34:08.000 troops of the Iranian people. For the entirety of his 1:34:08.160 --> 1:34:11.679 time in office, President Trump has consistently stated for over 1:34:11.720 --> 1:34:16.599 ten years that Iran must not get a nuclear weapon 1:34:17.200 --> 1:34:21.719 full stop. Thanks to President Trump's bold and visionary leadership 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:26.440 and his commitment to peace through strength, Iran's nuclear ambitions 1:34:26.520 --> 1:34:33.120 have been obliterated. Many presidents have dreamed of delivering the 1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:39.519 final blow to Iran's nuclear program, and none could until 1:34:39.760 --> 1:34:45.720 President Trump. The operation President Trump planned was bold and 1:34:45.800 --> 1:34:52.000 it was brilliant, showing the world that American deterrence is back. 1:34:52.479 --> 1:34:57.720 When this president speaks, the world should listen, and the 1:34:57.840 --> 1:35:03.720 US military can back it up, the most powerful military 1:35:03.920 --> 1:35:07.200 the world has ever known. No other country on planet 1:35:07.240 --> 1:35:10.600 Earth could have conducted the operation that the Chairman is 1:35:10.640 --> 1:35:16.439 going to outline this morning. Not even close. Just like 1:35:16.600 --> 1:35:20.080 Solimani found out in the first term, Iran found out. 1:35:20.160 --> 1:35:25.080 When Potus says sixty days that he seeks peace and negotiation, 1:35:25.640 --> 1:35:31.240 he means sixty days of peace and negotiation. Otherwise that 1:35:31.360 --> 1:35:36.080 nuclear program, that uclear capability will not exist. He meant it. 1:35:36.960 --> 1:35:43.120 This is not the previous administration. The President Trump said 1:35:43.400 --> 1:35:50.040 no nukes. He seeks peace, and Iran should take that path. 1:35:51.720 --> 1:35:56.599 He sent out a truth last night saying this, any 1:35:56.680 --> 1:36:01.400 retaliation by Iran against the United States of America will 1:36:01.439 --> 1:36:05.639 be met with force far greater than what was witnessed tonight, 1:36:06.960 --> 1:36:09.840 Signed the President of the United States, Donald J. 1:36:10.120 --> 1:36:10.479 Trump. 1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:15.840 Iran would be smart to heed those words. He said 1:36:15.840 --> 1:36:18.800 it before and he means it. I want to give 1:36:18.800 --> 1:36:22.640 recognition to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Staff, the 1:36:22.720 --> 1:36:27.120 Joint Staff, General Eric Carilla at CENTCOM, who did a 1:36:27.160 --> 1:36:31.560 phenomenal job. He and his staff, all of SENTCOM policy 1:36:31.840 --> 1:36:35.639 across the board. This was a joint effort and across 1:36:35.680 --> 1:36:41.360 the Pentagon effort. I want to recognize the pilots who 1:36:41.360 --> 1:36:48.200 flew those bombers, who flew those fighters, who flew those refuelers, Warriors. 1:36:48.840 --> 1:36:52.120 I want to recognize the sailors on those destroyers, in 1:36:52.200 --> 1:36:56.720 those subs, on those carriers, warriors, all of them. I 1:36:56.800 --> 1:37:02.480 want to recognize our soldiers doing Air Defense defense QRF warriors, 1:37:02.920 --> 1:37:08.400 all of them. Every American involved in this operation performed flawlessly. 1:37:09.920 --> 1:37:12.640 And I want to give recognition to our allies in 1:37:12.760 --> 1:37:17.439 Israel as well. This is a plan that took months 1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:20.840 and weeks of positioning and preparation so that we could 1:37:20.840 --> 1:37:24.799 be ready when the President of the United States called 1:37:25.560 --> 1:37:29.680 It took a great deal of precision. It involved misdirection 1:37:30.760 --> 1:37:36.360 and the highest of operational security. Our B twos went 1:37:36.439 --> 1:37:40.640 in and out of downtown Tehran, Tehran, excuse me of 1:37:40.680 --> 1:37:43.439 these nuclear sites, in and out and back without the 1:37:43.479 --> 1:37:47.400 world knowing at all. In that way, it was historic, 1:37:48.479 --> 1:37:51.040 a strike that included the longest B two spirit bomber 1:37:51.080 --> 1:37:53.920 mission since two thousand and one and the first operational 1:37:53.960 --> 1:37:59.120 employment of the mop A massive ordinance penetrator. The mission 1:37:59.160 --> 1:38:02.559 demonstrated to the world the level of joint and allied 1:38:02.560 --> 1:38:05.479 integration that speak to the strength of our alliance and 1:38:05.560 --> 1:38:09.719 our joint forces. As President Trump has stated, the United 1:38:09.800 --> 1:38:13.200 States does not war, but let me be clear, we 1:38:13.280 --> 1:38:18.400 will act swiftly and decisively when our people, our partners, 1:38:19.040 --> 1:38:23.120 or our interests are threatened. Iran should listen to the 1:38:23.120 --> 1:38:25.200 President the United States and know that he means it 1:38:25.280 --> 1:38:28.920 every word. I want to give congratulations to our commander 1:38:28.920 --> 1:38:31.040 in chief. It was an honor to watch him lead 1:38:31.600 --> 1:38:34.719 last night and throughout, and to our great American warriors 1:38:34.800 --> 1:38:41.120 on this successful operation. God bless our troops, God bless America, 1:38:41.680 --> 1:38:44.920 and we give glory to God for his providence and 1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:49.439 continue to ask for his protection. I turn it over 1:38:49.479 --> 1:38:51.680 now to the Chairman for specifics. 1:38:52.040 --> 1:38:55.360 Thank you, Miss strick Terry, thanks for recognizing all of 1:38:55.400 --> 1:38:59.439 our folks out there doing our nation's work, and nice 1:38:59.439 --> 1:39:02.840 to see everybody on this early Sunday morning. Last night, 1:39:02.880 --> 1:39:06.160 on the President's orders, US Central Command, under the command 1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:11.120 of General Eric Kirilla, executed Operation Midnight Hammer, a deliberate 1:39:11.200 --> 1:39:16.240 and precise strike against three Iranian nuclear facilities. This was 1:39:16.280 --> 1:39:19.920 a complex and high risk mission carried out with exceptional 1:39:20.000 --> 1:39:23.439 skill and disciplined by our joint force. I want to 1:39:23.439 --> 1:39:27.960 thank every service member, planner, operator that made this mission possible. 1:39:28.760 --> 1:39:32.240 Their actions reflect the highest standards of the United States 1:39:32.320 --> 1:39:37.479 Armed Forces. This operation was designed to severely degrade RAN's 1:39:37.520 --> 1:39:42.280 nuclear weapons infrastructure. It was planned and executed across multiple 1:39:42.360 --> 1:39:46.880 domains and theaters with coordination that reflects our ability to 1:39:47.040 --> 1:39:51.519 project power globally with speed and precision. At the time 1:39:51.680 --> 1:39:54.960 and place of our nation's choosing, this was a highly 1:39:54.960 --> 1:39:58.960 classified mission, with very few people in Washington knowing the 1:39:59.040 --> 1:40:02.479 timing or nature of this plan. I'll refer you to 1:40:02.520 --> 1:40:05.200 the graphic on the side as I walk you through 1:40:05.240 --> 1:40:10.479 some of the operational details. At midnight Friday into Saturday morning, 1:40:10.800 --> 1:40:14.240 a large B two strike package comprised of bombers launched 1:40:14.240 --> 1:40:17.599 from the continental United States as part of a plan 1:40:17.720 --> 1:40:21.600 to maintain tactical surprise. Part of the package proceeded to 1:40:21.640 --> 1:40:25.080 the west and into the Pacific as a decoy, a 1:40:25.200 --> 1:40:30.040 deception effort known only to an extremely small number of 1:40:30.080 --> 1:40:33.799 planners and key leaders here in Washington and in Tampa. 1:40:34.320 --> 1:40:38.320 The main strike package, comprised of seven B two Spirit bombers, 1:40:38.360 --> 1:40:42.799 each with two crew members, proceeded quietly to the east 1:40:42.960 --> 1:40:48.160 with minimal communications. Throughout the eighteen hour flight into the 1:40:48.200 --> 1:40:54.439 target area, the aircraft completed multiple inflight refuelings. Once over land, 1:40:54.880 --> 1:40:58.440 the B twos linked up with escort and support aircraft 1:40:58.479 --> 1:41:04.719 in a complex, lightly timed maneuver requiring exact synchronization across 1:41:04.800 --> 1:41:09.320 multiple platforms in a narrow piece of airspace, all done 1:41:09.560 --> 1:41:15.200 with minimal communications. This type of integration is exactly what 1:41:15.320 --> 1:41:19.080 our Joint Force does better than anyone else in the world. 1:41:20.000 --> 1:41:24.320 At approximately five pm Eastern Standard time last night, and 1:41:24.600 --> 1:41:28.320 just prior to the strike package entering Iran, a US 1:41:28.400 --> 1:41:32.599 submarine in the Central Command Area of responsibility launched more 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:36.800 than two dozen Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles against key 1:41:37.080 --> 1:41:42.559 surface infrastructure targets at Esfahan. As the Operation Midnight Hammer 1:41:42.640 --> 1:41:49.080 strike package entered Iranian airspace, the US employed several deception tactics, 1:41:49.120 --> 1:41:54.559 including decoys as the fourth and fifth generation aircraft pushed 1:41:54.600 --> 1:41:58.400 out in front of the strike package at high altitude 1:41:58.479 --> 1:42:01.960 and high speed, keeping in front of the package for 1:42:02.200 --> 1:42:06.479 enemy fighters and surface to air missile threats. The strike 1:42:06.520 --> 1:42:11.919 package was supported by US Strategic Command, US Transportation Command, 1:42:12.560 --> 1:42:18.439 US Cyber Command, US Space Command, US Space Force, and 1:42:18.640 --> 1:42:23.960 US European Command. As the strike package approached for DOEU 1:42:24.200 --> 1:42:29.800 and NATANCE, the US protection package employed high speed suppression 1:42:29.880 --> 1:42:34.040 weapons to ensure safe passage of the strike package, with 1:42:34.160 --> 1:42:40.280 fighter assets employing preemptive suppressing fires against any potential Iranian 1:42:40.560 --> 1:42:45.040 surface to air threats. We are currently unaware of any 1:42:45.120 --> 1:42:48.920 shots fired at the US strike package on the way in. 1:42:49.880 --> 1:42:54.880 At approximately six forty pm Eastern Standard time two ten 1:42:55.520 --> 1:42:59.479 am a RAN time, the lead B two dropped two 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:04.960 GBU fifty seven massive ordnance penetrator weapons on the first 1:43:05.320 --> 1:43:09.000 of several aim points at four doh. As the President 1:43:09.120 --> 1:43:12.480 stated last night, the remaining bombers then hit their targets 1:43:12.479 --> 1:43:16.959 as well, with a total of fourteen mops dropped against 1:43:17.200 --> 1:43:23.479 two nuclear target areas. All three Iranian nuclear infrastructure targets 1:43:23.479 --> 1:43:27.519 were struck between six forty pm and seven ZHO five 1:43:27.640 --> 1:43:30.880 pm Eastern Time. Again, that's about two ten in the 1:43:30.920 --> 1:43:35.400 morning local time in Iran, with the Tomahawk missiles being 1:43:35.479 --> 1:43:39.639 the last to strike at Esfahan. To ensure we retain 1:43:39.800 --> 1:43:45.240 the element of surprise throughout the operation. Following weapons release, 1:43:45.360 --> 1:43:50.320 the midnight hammer Strike package exited Iranian airspace and the 1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:55.160 package began its return home. We are unaware of any 1:43:55.240 --> 1:44:00.559 shots fired at the package on the way out. Iran's 1:44:00.800 --> 1:44:05.879 fighters did not fly, and it appears that Iran's surface 1:44:05.920 --> 1:44:11.080 to air missile systems did not see us. Throughout the mission, 1:44:11.520 --> 1:44:16.280 we retained the element of surprise. In total, US forces 1:44:16.320 --> 1:44:21.120 employed approximately seventy five precision guide of weapons during this operation. 1:44:21.280 --> 1:44:25.519 This included, as the President stated last night, fourteen thirty 1:44:25.600 --> 1:44:30.559 thousand pounds GBU fifty seven massive ordnance penetrators, marking the 1:44:30.600 --> 1:44:35.599 first ever operational use of this weapon. I know that 1:44:35.640 --> 1:44:39.320 battle damage is of great interest. Final battle damage will 1:44:39.360 --> 1:44:43.000 take some time, but initial battle damage assessments indicate that 1:44:43.080 --> 1:44:49.320 all three sites sustained extremely severe damage and destruction. More 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:53.479 than one hundred and twenty five US aircraft participated in 1:44:53.520 --> 1:44:58.600 this mission, including B two stealth bombers, multiple flights of 1:44:58.800 --> 1:45:03.519 fourth and fifth generation fighters, dozens and dozens of air 1:45:03.560 --> 1:45:08.439 refueling tankers, a guided missile submarine, and a full array 1:45:08.479 --> 1:45:13.920 of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft, as well as hundreds 1:45:14.000 --> 1:45:19.040 of maintenance and operational professionals. As this Secretary said, this 1:45:19.200 --> 1:45:24.240 was those largest B two operational strike in US history 1:45:24.680 --> 1:45:29.480 and the second longest B two mission ever flown, exceeded 1:45:29.560 --> 1:45:32.479 only by those in the days following nine to eleven. 1:45:34.200 --> 1:45:38.200 Well prior to the strike, General Carilla elevated force protection 1:45:38.320 --> 1:45:42.719 measures across the region, especially in Iraq, Syria, and the Gulf. 1:45:43.560 --> 1:45:47.840 Our forces remain on high alert and are fully postured 1:45:48.160 --> 1:45:53.080 to respond to any Iranian retaliation or proxy attacks, which 1:45:53.080 --> 1:45:59.080 would be an incredibly poor choice. We will defend ourselves. 1:45:59.760 --> 1:46:05.800 Safety of our service members and civilians remains our highest priority. 1:46:06.640 --> 1:46:11.240 This mission demonstrates the unmatched reach coordination and capability and 1:46:11.320 --> 1:46:15.040 capability of the United States Military. In just a matter 1:46:15.080 --> 1:46:19.520 of weeks, this went from strategic planning to global execution. 1:46:20.240 --> 1:46:25.800 This operation underscores the unmatched capabilities and global reach of 1:46:25.800 --> 1:46:30.400 the United States military. As the President clearly said last night, 1:46:31.120 --> 1:46:34.519 no other in the no other military in the world, 1:46:34.880 --> 1:46:38.040 could have done this. I joined the President and the 1:46:38.080 --> 1:46:42.760 Secretary and being incredibly proud of the air crews, naval forces, 1:46:43.200 --> 1:46:47.080 cyber operators, planners and support teams and commanders who made 1:46:47.120 --> 1:46:51.639 this mission possible. It is their skill, discipline, and teammate 1:46:52.120 --> 1:46:57.160 teamwork that makes this operation possible. I am particularly proud 1:46:57.680 --> 1:47:01.920 of our discipline related to operational security, something that was 1:47:01.920 --> 1:47:06.400 of great concern to the President, the Secretary, General, Carilla, 1:47:06.720 --> 1:47:09.960 and me, and we will continue to focus on this. 1:47:10.720 --> 1:47:14.000 As we stand here this morning, many assets are still 1:47:14.040 --> 1:47:17.519 airborne and we have hundreds deployed. I asked that we 1:47:17.640 --> 1:47:21.000 keep our war fighters on their way home and our 1:47:21.040 --> 1:47:25.360 deployed service member in our thoughts. Our joint Force remains 1:47:25.439 --> 1:47:28.760 ready to defend the United States, our troops, and our 1:47:28.800 --> 1:47:31.160 interests in the region. Thank you very much. 1:47:32.760 --> 1:47:34.599 We will take a few questions them. 1:47:35.640 --> 1:47:40.160 Yeah, so is regime change off the table, mister Secretary 1:47:40.439 --> 1:47:43.639 and to the chairman, you know you said the battle 1:47:43.680 --> 1:47:46.920 damage assessment is still ongoing, but do you believe that 1:47:47.000 --> 1:47:49.439 some nuclear capability in Iran remains? 1:47:51.560 --> 1:47:54.840 This mission was not and has not been, about regime change. 1:47:55.960 --> 1:48:01.280 The President authorized a precision operation to neutralize the threats 1:48:01.320 --> 1:48:05.600 to our national interests posed by the Iranian nuclear program 1:48:06.120 --> 1:48:09.479 and the collective self defense of our troops and our 1:48:09.520 --> 1:48:10.320 ally Israel. 1:48:12.640 --> 1:48:15.920 Thanks for your question. I think BDA is still pending 1:48:16.000 --> 1:48:17.720 and it would be way too early for me to 1:48:17.760 --> 1:48:19.840 comment on what may or may not still be there. 1:48:19.920 --> 1:48:20.800 But thanks for the question. 1:48:21.600 --> 1:48:24.240 Green Green, no behind you. 1:48:25.880 --> 1:48:27.840 Excuse them, the Secretary, Can you tell me it was 1:48:27.880 --> 1:48:30.680 there a particular moment when the President decided to pull 1:48:30.760 --> 1:48:34.320 the trigger on this operation where he said, now, rather 1:48:34.320 --> 1:48:36.479 than being you know, something in the holes are now, 1:48:36.520 --> 1:48:37.599 We're going to pull the trigger on. 1:48:38.400 --> 1:48:42.560 I would just say, having the opportunity to witness his leadership, 1:48:42.880 --> 1:48:46.799 he was fully committed to the peace process, wanted wanted 1:48:47.080 --> 1:48:52.000 a negotiated outcome, gave Iran every single opportunity and unfortunately 1:48:52.080 --> 1:48:54.519 was met by stonewalling, which is why he gave them 1:48:54.800 --> 1:48:56.840 plenty of time to continue to come to the table 1:48:56.880 --> 1:49:00.200 and give up enrichment, give up the nuclear program. But 1:49:00.240 --> 1:49:02.400 there was a I won't say the particular moment, there 1:49:02.439 --> 1:49:05.040 was certainly a moment in time where he realized, uh 1:49:05.080 --> 1:49:07.479 that it had to be a certain action taken in 1:49:07.560 --> 1:49:09.880 order to minimize the threat to US in our troops. 1:49:11.880 --> 1:49:16.200 Yeah, General, you say that General Carolla increased force protection 1:49:16.760 --> 1:49:19.080 in Iraqs area and go from those areas. 1:49:19.600 --> 1:49:22.880 We were they given any advance warning the attacks were coming, 1:49:23.360 --> 1:49:27.280 and also as a secretary when we're congressional leaders. 1:49:27.000 --> 1:49:29.400 Notified how long before the attacks? 1:49:29.439 --> 1:49:33.400 Your plays sure to you to your first question, you 1:49:33.439 --> 1:49:36.000 know the the risk has clearly been rising over the 1:49:36.080 --> 1:49:39.920 last few weeks in the region. Based on that and 1:49:39.960 --> 1:49:44.200 not a particular awareness of this operation, We've made smart 1:49:44.280 --> 1:49:47.880 decisions to minimize the risk to US forces in the region. 1:49:48.439 --> 1:49:49.519 No advance warning, No. 1:49:49.560 --> 1:49:53.720 Sure, Congress they were. 1:49:53.800 --> 1:49:57.400 They were notified after the planes were safely out, when 1:49:57.400 --> 1:50:02.439 we complied with the notification requirements War Powers Act. They 1:50:02.479 --> 1:50:04.120 were immediately thereafter. 1:50:05.600 --> 1:50:06.439 Yes, thank you. 1:50:08.160 --> 1:50:09.600 Two questions. 1:50:10.240 --> 1:50:15.320 We believe you completely destroyed Iranian nuclear program and how 1:50:15.479 --> 1:50:22.000 about Iranian ballasted missiles as I always saying that his 1:50:22.880 --> 1:50:23.800 biggest threat. 1:50:24.240 --> 1:50:28.639 And second question is very important. What will be your 1:50:28.800 --> 1:50:34.880 next step if Iran or militias under Iranian influence from 1:50:34.920 --> 1:50:39.120 the region attack US interests or all eyes. 1:50:39.200 --> 1:50:42.439 In the region, and you can chime in on this too, 1:50:42.479 --> 1:50:46.720 mister Chairman. The battle damage assessment is ongoing, but our 1:50:46.800 --> 1:50:49.640 initial assessment, as the Chairman said, is that all of 1:50:49.680 --> 1:50:52.639 our precision munitions struck where we wanted them to strike 1:50:52.720 --> 1:50:56.320 and had the desired effect, which means, especially in four Doho, 1:50:56.360 --> 1:50:59.360 which was the primary target here, we believe we achieved 1:50:59.479 --> 1:51:05.479 destruction of capabilities there. Ultimately, wherever it may be, whether 1:51:05.560 --> 1:51:08.320 it's in Iraq or Syria or Basis in the Gulf, 1:51:09.040 --> 1:51:10.960 as the President said, it would be or excuse me, 1:51:11.040 --> 1:51:12.559 as the Chairman said, it would be a very bad 1:51:12.640 --> 1:51:16.599 idea for Iran or its proxies to attempt to attack 1:51:16.640 --> 1:51:17.439 American forces. 1:51:19.479 --> 1:51:25.200 Yes, thank you, miss the Secretarier. Regarding retaliations, Iran and 1:51:25.320 --> 1:51:30.360 North Korea are cooperating on your career and missile development. 1:51:31.000 --> 1:51:35.559 Do you think there is a possibility that Iran knows 1:51:35.680 --> 1:51:40.880 Korea and the other forces such as China will join 1:51:41.760 --> 1:51:46.400 forces to retaliate against the United States. 1:51:47.520 --> 1:51:50.400 Well, Unfortunately, because of the policies under the previous administration, 1:51:50.520 --> 1:51:57.120 we drove those countries together, and ultimately that creates a 1:51:57.200 --> 1:52:01.000 challenging environment for this particular operation. The focuses on Iran 1:52:01.080 --> 1:52:04.600 and Iranian nuclear capabilities. That's our focus here is to 1:52:04.680 --> 1:52:07.240 not just say that they can't have but President Trump 1:52:07.320 --> 1:52:11.240 has said from over twenty years, frankly, Iran cannot have 1:52:11.400 --> 1:52:14.519 a nuclear weapon, and ultimately he decided this is the moment, 1:52:14.600 --> 1:52:18.880 given their stonewalling, when direct military action had to be 1:52:19.000 --> 1:52:20.599 taken to prevent that from happening. 1:52:21.760 --> 1:52:23.040 Yes, thank you very much. 1:52:23.360 --> 1:52:26.920 General Kane, I understand obsek I respect on the Act. 1:52:27.000 --> 1:52:31.000 Can you say at all what security procedures are being 1:52:31.120 --> 1:52:34.040 taken to protect US troops in Iraq and elsewhere in 1:52:34.080 --> 1:52:37.680 the Middle East? And Secretary Hegseth as a global war 1:52:37.720 --> 1:52:40.800 on terrorism veteran, what do you say to veterans who 1:52:40.840 --> 1:52:43.800 may be concerned the US is getting into another open 1:52:43.920 --> 1:52:45.880 ended war in the Middle East over weapons. 1:52:45.640 --> 1:52:46.360 Of mass destruction? 1:52:47.880 --> 1:52:50.960 Thanks sir for the question. I won't comment on what 1:52:51.200 --> 1:52:54.639 force protection measures or are being taken in the region. 1:52:55.320 --> 1:52:59.680 What I will say is we're being proactive and not reactive, 1:53:00.760 --> 1:53:03.599 and being very thoughtful about ensuring that we do all 1:53:03.640 --> 1:53:05.599 that we can to protect our forces out there. 1:53:06.880 --> 1:53:09.519 And I would just say, as the President has directed 1:53:09.520 --> 1:53:12.519 and made clear, this is most certainly not open ended. 1:53:13.360 --> 1:53:16.400 It doesn't mean it limits our ability to respond. We 1:53:16.520 --> 1:53:18.960 will respond if necessary. The most powerful military in the 1:53:19.000 --> 1:53:22.600 world is postured and prepared to defend our people. But 1:53:22.680 --> 1:53:25.000 what the President gave us, as I said, was a focused, 1:53:25.600 --> 1:53:31.320 powerful and clear mission on the destruction of Iranian nuclear capabilities. 1:53:31.439 --> 1:53:35.120 Those were the targets. That's what was struck. That was overwhelming. 1:53:35.320 --> 1:53:38.120 That's what was overwhelming. That's what the Iranian regime needs 1:53:38.160 --> 1:53:41.439 to understand. As the President put out last night, he 1:53:41.600 --> 1:53:44.080 wants peace. There needs to be a negotiated settlement here. 1:53:44.560 --> 1:53:48.640 We ultimately demonstrated that Iran cannot have a nuclear capability. 1:53:48.800 --> 1:53:54.200 That is a very clear mission set on this operation. Yes, 1:53:54.840 --> 1:53:55.960 hold on, yes, right. 1:53:55.880 --> 1:54:01.520 There, Thank you, mister secretary. I'm question for the Secretary 1:54:01.600 --> 1:54:06.400 and the chairman. How was this strike coordinated with the 1:54:06.520 --> 1:54:12.000 Israelis on a strategic level, militarily and on a tactical level. 1:54:12.160 --> 1:54:16.839 Was there any direct Israeli military participation in this operation? 1:54:19.320 --> 1:54:26.040 Well, I would say certainly, Israel had an incredible military success, 1:54:26.200 --> 1:54:30.720 especially at the beginning and ongoing in degrading Iranian capabilities, 1:54:31.640 --> 1:54:36.240 degrading Iranian launchers MRBMs. It's been incredible to watch what 1:54:36.360 --> 1:54:39.200 our ally Israel has been able to do, and there 1:54:39.240 --> 1:54:41.840 certainly have been conversations. I mean, General Carilla at sent 1:54:41.960 --> 1:54:44.840 Kam has worked closely in the defense of Israel for 1:54:44.920 --> 1:54:48.960 many years, and part of this operation was the defense 1:54:49.000 --> 1:54:52.040 of visual and the ongoing defense of Israel. But as 1:54:52.080 --> 1:54:55.120 it pertains to this strike, this was US operated in 1:54:55.240 --> 1:54:55.640 US LED. 1:54:56.880 --> 1:54:59.360 We took advantage of some of the preparatory work that's 1:54:59.400 --> 1:55:02.520 been done over the past week and a half in 1:55:02.640 --> 1:55:06.040 terms of access of approach. I won't get into the particulars, 1:55:06.160 --> 1:55:09.400 but as the Secretary said, it was a US strike, 1:55:11.000 --> 1:55:12.920 we made sure we were not in the same piece 1:55:12.920 --> 1:55:15.920 of airspace and sky. Aside from that, that was the 1:55:16.000 --> 1:55:16.520 extent of it. 1:55:17.640 --> 1:55:19.920 We'll take a couple more yeah, right there. 1:55:20.640 --> 1:55:23.360 Question of the Secretary, first, are you concerned whatsoever now 1:55:23.520 --> 1:55:26.720 about the reaction from US allies given the strike, particularly 1:55:26.840 --> 1:55:29.280 those in the Gulf, And to the Chairman, if I may, 1:55:30.080 --> 1:55:32.680 I understand you don't want to speak to specific assets 1:55:32.880 --> 1:55:35.400 force protection measures, but do you anticipate at least having 1:55:35.440 --> 1:55:38.560 to bring in any further assets from other theaters to 1:55:38.640 --> 1:55:40.600 aid and forced protection over the coming days. 1:55:42.960 --> 1:55:45.160 We certainly understand the challenges of allies in the region, 1:55:45.720 --> 1:55:49.320 and we have been respectful and in working in collaboration 1:55:49.520 --> 1:55:54.800 with them as it pertains to basing and sensitivities there. Ultimately, 1:55:55.160 --> 1:55:57.800 they've got a lot of assets and people in those locations, 1:55:57.840 --> 1:56:00.720 also where American troops are co located, So that's a 1:56:00.800 --> 1:56:03.360 consideration of ours. We've been in close consultation with them 1:56:03.360 --> 1:56:05.200 when we appreciate the support that we have got. 1:56:06.000 --> 1:56:08.600 Thanks for the question on sort of the global picture, 1:56:08.720 --> 1:56:10.840 And as you know, that's one of my jobs is 1:56:10.920 --> 1:56:15.440 to look globally at the entire range of challenges. We 1:56:15.560 --> 1:56:20.280 are always carefully considering our force posture around the world 1:56:20.920 --> 1:56:24.879 and then offering options to the Secretary and to the President. 1:56:26.000 --> 1:56:29.240 I won't comment on any future things, but the American 1:56:29.280 --> 1:56:33.400 people should know that we carefully consider those moves around 1:56:33.480 --> 1:56:37.880 the world and try to modulate as needed our force 1:56:37.920 --> 1:56:39.520 structure in the region. 1:56:40.400 --> 1:56:41.480 Yeah, right here, thank you. 1:56:41.960 --> 1:56:44.800 What communications are being sent to the Iranians right now? 1:56:44.880 --> 1:56:47.720 And is there any possibility of diplomacy now we're in 1:56:47.760 --> 1:56:48.480 the coming days. 1:56:50.280 --> 1:56:53.240 I can only confirm that There are both public and 1:56:53.440 --> 1:56:57.800 private messages being directly delivered to the Iranians in multiple channels, 1:56:57.880 --> 1:57:01.360 giving them every opportunity to come to the table. They 1:57:01.480 --> 1:57:06.760 understand precisely what the American position is, precisely what steps 1:57:06.840 --> 1:57:09.600 they can take to allow for peace, and we hope 1:57:09.600 --> 1:57:14.800 they do so. Yes, the President may not want an 1:57:14.840 --> 1:57:16.400 open ended conflict. 1:57:17.000 --> 1:57:20.480 The ira Audians may disagree. Are you prepared for protracting war? 1:57:21.960 --> 1:57:25.200 Well, anything can happen in conflict. We acknowledge that. But 1:57:25.360 --> 1:57:28.240 the scope of this was intentionally limited. That's the message 1:57:28.240 --> 1:57:31.960 that we're sending. With the capabilities of the American military 1:57:32.320 --> 1:57:35.840 nearly unlimited. So Iran in that sense has a choice. 1:57:36.680 --> 1:57:39.280 But we've made it very clear to them. This is 1:57:39.360 --> 1:57:42.160 nuclear sites, this is nuclear capabilities. This is the line 1:57:42.200 --> 1:57:45.840 that the presidents set and we set that back. Now 1:57:45.960 --> 1:57:47.400 is the time to come forward for peace. 1:57:47.480 --> 1:57:49.000 But we I think. 1:57:49.040 --> 1:57:51.560 But one of the takeaways from this as well is 1:57:51.800 --> 1:57:55.000 the unprecedented level of ongoing cooperation. I can't speak highly 1:57:55.160 --> 1:57:59.120 enough of the Chairman and his staff and General Carilla 1:57:59.520 --> 1:58:02.960 Incent what they've done to look around the corner to 1:58:03.080 --> 1:58:06.480 preposition to understand how an operation like this comes together. 1:58:07.520 --> 1:58:10.720 The scope and scale of what occurred last night would 1:58:10.720 --> 1:58:13.000 take the breath away of almost any American if you 1:58:13.040 --> 1:58:15.480 had an opportunity to watch it in real time. And 1:58:15.600 --> 1:58:20.680 I think Taran is certainly calculating the reality that planes 1:58:20.720 --> 1:58:24.080 flew from the middle of America and Missouri overnight completely 1:58:24.200 --> 1:58:27.320 undetected over three of their most highly sensitive sites, and 1:58:27.400 --> 1:58:31.480 we were able to destroy nuclear capabilities. And our boys 1:58:31.680 --> 1:58:34.360 in those bombers are on their way home right now. 1:58:34.840 --> 1:58:38.120 We believe that'll have a clear psychological impact on how 1:58:38.160 --> 1:58:40.600 they view the future, and we certainly hope they take 1:58:40.680 --> 1:58:42.440 the path of negotiate a peace. But I could not 1:58:42.640 --> 1:58:48.320 be more proud of how this building operated, of the precision, 1:58:48.920 --> 1:58:51.400 the sensitivity, and the professionalism of the troops involved in 1:58:51.440 --> 1:58:53.680 this effort. I will take one more, will take one 1:58:53.760 --> 1:58:55.120 more question, Yes right there. 1:58:56.360 --> 1:58:58.880 Thank you, mister Secretary. 1:58:59.160 --> 1:59:04.600 Concerning the justification for these strikes. In March, the Office 1:59:04.640 --> 1:59:10.200 of the Director of National Intelligence released their threat assessments concluding, quote, 1:59:10.640 --> 1:59:14.480 Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Kamani has 1:59:15.120 --> 1:59:19.280 not authorized the nuclear programs he suspended in two thousand 1:59:19.280 --> 1:59:23.440 and three unquote, So what new intelligence does the US 1:59:23.520 --> 1:59:27.000 have since then that the Rans have changed their position 1:59:27.160 --> 1:59:31.040 on nuclear weapons. And does this new intelligence come from 1:59:31.160 --> 1:59:34.160 US sources and methods or are we getting this information 1:59:35.000 --> 1:59:35.879 from other countries. 1:59:37.080 --> 1:59:38.920 Well, I would just simply say that the President's made 1:59:38.960 --> 1:59:41.280 it very clear He's looked at all of this, all 1:59:41.320 --> 1:59:43.920 of the intelligence, all of the information, and come to 1:59:44.000 --> 1:59:47.480 the conclusion that the Iranian nuclear program is a threat 1:59:48.600 --> 1:59:52.720 and was willing to take this precision operation to neutralize 1:59:52.760 --> 1:59:56.480 that threat in order to advance American national interests, reduced 1:59:56.480 --> 1:59:59.440 the Iranian nuclear program and obviously collective self defense of 1:59:59.480 --> 2:00:01.440 ourself and our So he looked at all of it, 2:00:01.920 --> 2:00:04.080 understood the nature of the threat, and took all the 2:00:04.120 --> 2:00:06.880 action I think the American people would expect in a 2:00:06.920 --> 2:00:07.600 commander in chief. 2:00:07.960 --> 2:00:08.600 That's all we've got. 2:00:08.680 --> 2:00:09.920 Thank you very much, appreciate it. 2:00:10.200 --> 2:00:10.440 Thanks. 2:00:10.520 --> 2:00:18.960 Chairman pet Hegserth is the Defense Secretary in the United States. 2:00:19.080 --> 2:00:21.720 The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has also 2:00:21.920 --> 2:00:25.440 just briefed in extraordinary detail over the past thirty minutes, 2:00:25.440 --> 2:00:28.760 where it has just gone eight point thirty am in Washington, DC, 2:00:28.960 --> 2:00:32.040 ten thirty on the east coast of Australia right now, 2:00:32.200 --> 2:00:37.280 extraordinary detail about an operation of these bombers that made 2:00:37.320 --> 2:00:39.600 it from Missouri in the middle of the United States 2:00:40.560 --> 2:00:46.680 over to the targets in Iran within a day. The 2:00:46.840 --> 2:00:51.800 operation was called Midnight Hammer, and during the briefing, while 2:00:51.840 --> 2:00:54.400 you didn't see it on screen, it was shown publicly. 2:00:55.080 --> 2:00:58.440 This map. Now, this map is worth looking at here 2:00:58.480 --> 2:01:02.520 because it basically explains timeline. The timeline is that it 2:01:02.640 --> 2:01:06.280 took the best part of seventeen hours to fly from 2:01:06.360 --> 2:01:10.440 the United States to an area where the b two 2:01:10.760 --> 2:01:15.880 bombers were then surrounded by a bunch of other support aircraft. 2:01:17.480 --> 2:01:23.560 By about eighteen hours they entered Iranian airspace, and about 2:01:23.640 --> 2:01:27.160 eighteen hours forty minutes or for the next twenty minutes 2:01:27.600 --> 2:01:33.880 between eighteen forty and nineteen hours in is when you 2:01:33.960 --> 2:01:37.680 saw a scenario of the bombs being dropped, an extraordinary 2:01:37.720 --> 2:01:42.280 amount of them. By the way, there were seven different 2:01:42.400 --> 2:01:47.320 bombers that were flying. There was in terms of a payload, 2:01:47.960 --> 2:01:53.160 fourteen fourteen of those giant bombs that were dropped at 2:01:53.280 --> 2:01:59.240 three different sites. There was incredible detail about how the 2:01:59.320 --> 2:02:02.800 planes which left, as the secretary set at the end 2:02:03.280 --> 2:02:06.360 from Missouri, that some of them flew in the wrong 2:02:06.480 --> 2:02:09.040 direction to try to give people the idea that they 2:02:09.080 --> 2:02:11.560 were coming from the Pacific. Now, I had mentioned this 2:02:11.640 --> 2:02:15.000 a couple of hours ago, because the assumption was that 2:02:15.040 --> 2:02:18.600 they may well have been coming out of places like Guam, 2:02:19.360 --> 2:02:21.920 but also that they may well have been circling around 2:02:21.960 --> 2:02:24.160 in Asia. That's a message being sent to the Chinese. 2:02:24.200 --> 2:02:27.440 But an incredible nineteen hours when they take off in 2:02:27.480 --> 2:02:30.800 the United States to when they drop they leave Iran 2:02:31.000 --> 2:02:34.600 thirty minutes later, and they are on their way back 2:02:34.720 --> 2:02:38.560 into American airspace. Right now. Richard Kemps a former British commander, 2:02:38.600 --> 2:02:40.440 and he joins US now after listening to all of 2:02:40.480 --> 2:02:44.040 that detail, extraordinary detail in a major operation that was 2:02:44.120 --> 2:02:47.440 weeks in the planning and flawless in execution. Not only 2:02:47.480 --> 2:02:52.000 were they able to fly over Iranian airspace undetected, they 2:02:52.080 --> 2:02:54.840 also basically suggest there's no record of a shot being 2:02:54.920 --> 2:02:55.920 fired back at them. 2:02:57.680 --> 2:02:59.560 Yeah, I mean, it's quite an extraordinary operation. 2:02:59.680 --> 2:03:04.280 I think, as Secretary Exit says, no other armed forces 2:03:04.360 --> 2:03:07.520 in the world could even come close to something like this. 2:03:07.880 --> 2:03:08.919 It's phenomenal. 2:03:09.000 --> 2:03:12.600 We've seen some very impressive work from the Israelis, many 2:03:12.680 --> 2:03:15.480 many thousands of miles closer to Iran. Despite that they're 2:03:15.520 --> 2:03:19.720 distance from Iran, very very impressive stuff. 2:03:19.760 --> 2:03:23.520 But this is something you know Israel, the Israelis don't 2:03:23.560 --> 2:03:24.720 have the capability to do it. 2:03:25.200 --> 2:03:28.120 And I think it's you know, what's happened here as 2:03:28.120 --> 2:03:31.320 a testament to both the US and the Israeli armed 2:03:31.320 --> 2:03:33.720 forces and also to the leadership of the two countries, 2:03:33.760 --> 2:03:36.360 President Trump and Prime Internet and they are who and 2:03:36.480 --> 2:03:40.959 clearly there was very close coordination between those two countries 2:03:41.040 --> 2:03:43.720 and those two armed forces over a lengthy. 2:03:43.440 --> 2:03:44.080 Period of time. 2:03:44.360 --> 2:03:47.440 This kind of operation does not just get This has 2:03:47.560 --> 2:03:50.240 not happen overnight. It's planned. It has to be planned 2:03:50.600 --> 2:03:52.280 well well in advanced. 2:03:52.680 --> 2:03:55.240 Also, just the fascinating amount of detail. And again, if 2:03:55.240 --> 2:03:56.760 this is what they're willing to tell us, imagine that 2:03:56.840 --> 2:03:59.880 the rams and rams and realms of deeper detail. That's 2:04:01.040 --> 2:04:03.480 obviously we know that America was the only country that 2:04:03.600 --> 2:04:06.720 had the bomb that was able to penetrate the ground. 2:04:07.440 --> 2:04:10.280 The idea that they were able to drop fourteen of 2:04:10.400 --> 2:04:13.120 them would suggest that there's plenty more that are sitting 2:04:13.120 --> 2:04:15.839 in a shed somewhere. That in part is a message 2:04:16.080 --> 2:04:18.480 not just to Iran but to the countries that may 2:04:18.560 --> 2:04:20.840 well be trying to find some cracks in the army. 2:04:20.880 --> 2:04:24.200 Here we didn't just have one. This is you know, 2:04:24.320 --> 2:04:26.400 this is not the end of World War II. We've 2:04:26.440 --> 2:04:29.200 got plenty more, and if we need to, we'll do it, 2:04:29.240 --> 2:04:30.920 and we'll fly in and out of your country and 2:04:30.960 --> 2:04:32.360 you won't even know until it's hit you. 2:04:33.960 --> 2:04:34.160 Yeah. 2:04:34.520 --> 2:04:39.120 And of course they were somewhat reserved over their assessment 2:04:39.200 --> 2:04:43.600 of battle damage, because it's something you can't really assess immediately. 2:04:43.680 --> 2:04:45.880 You have to wait for the detail and the analysis 2:04:45.920 --> 2:04:48.760 to come through. But of course it may will be 2:04:48.920 --> 2:04:51.920 that there's a need to revisit these sites, or even 2:04:51.960 --> 2:04:56.360 one of the sites using more of these bunker buster bombs, 2:04:56.680 --> 2:04:59.120 So of course there'll be plenty in stock. And of 2:04:59.200 --> 2:05:01.720 course you're to point out that this message is not 2:05:01.920 --> 2:05:04.760 just to Iran. It's also a message that applies to 2:05:04.920 --> 2:05:10.320 America's other adversaries who have aggressive intent. And I think 2:05:10.600 --> 2:05:14.240 you know, the people at the Chinese and the Russians 2:05:14.720 --> 2:05:17.880 will be looking at this probably quite wide eyed, because 2:05:17.880 --> 2:05:21.960 although they have, particularly China has and Russia as well 2:05:22.040 --> 2:05:27.440 have some significant capabilities, they have nothing even remotely approaching 2:05:27.560 --> 2:05:28.600 this of. 2:05:28.640 --> 2:05:31.120 The dtail that we just heard. Was there any particular 2:05:31.200 --> 2:05:33.480 datail that stood out to you as a man who 2:05:33.520 --> 2:05:36.920 knows his stuff, that you were sitting back in some 2:05:37.080 --> 2:05:40.440 sort of well fascination about what they were able to do. 2:05:42.120 --> 2:05:46.080 Yeah, And I think that you know, hitting these bombs, 2:05:46.200 --> 2:05:50.000 these bunker buster bombs were designed specifically to deal with 2:05:50.160 --> 2:05:53.680 the nuclear Iranian nuclear program buried a great deal of 2:05:53.760 --> 2:05:56.400 distance underground. That's what they were first designed to do. 2:05:56.720 --> 2:06:01.400 So in some ways, the effect, whatever it actually was, 2:06:02.120 --> 2:06:04.440 is not a huge surprise. But I think one thing 2:06:04.560 --> 2:06:09.400 that is quite particularly impressive and somewhat surprising is the 2:06:09.480 --> 2:06:16.640 distance something like seven thousand miles from Missouri to fodoh, Okay, 2:06:16.880 --> 2:06:18.600 and you've got multiple air. 2:06:18.480 --> 2:06:20.360 To air refueling stations on the way. 2:06:21.720 --> 2:06:24.400 Again, that's something that you've got to have a lot 2:06:24.440 --> 2:06:27.600 of air to air refueling tankers available to do that, 2:06:28.080 --> 2:06:31.160 and few countries have that sort of anything like that capability. 2:06:31.480 --> 2:06:34.960 So I think the distance from the United States to 2:06:35.760 --> 2:06:38.840 Fodo and Aspahan were probably the most impressive. And then 2:06:39.360 --> 2:06:42.560 coordinating all that, I mean, coordinating air to air refueling, 2:06:42.680 --> 2:06:47.400 coordinating flight paths, coordinating with the IDF. And the General 2:06:47.520 --> 2:06:50.000 said that the coordination was limited pretty much to not 2:06:50.080 --> 2:06:52.200 flying in the same airspace, but of course in. 2:06:52.280 --> 2:06:53.520 Reality it was a great deal. 2:06:53.600 --> 2:06:56.040 More than that, I have no doubt the American and 2:06:56.240 --> 2:06:59.640 Israeli staffs have been working side by side for a 2:06:59.720 --> 2:07:03.120 long time coordinating all this action. I think that, you know, 2:07:03.680 --> 2:07:05.960 the actual dropping of the bombs or the firing of 2:07:06.000 --> 2:07:12.919 atom Tomahawk cruise missiles relatively straightforward, well planned, well rehearsed, 2:07:12.960 --> 2:07:17.600 but actually coordinating operation on the scale in a hostile 2:07:17.720 --> 2:07:22.880 area with another major armed force Israel fighting fighting at 2:07:22.920 --> 2:07:25.120 the same time is quite an impressive feat. 2:07:26.080 --> 2:07:29.560 The idea that apparently not a single shot fired or 2:07:29.640 --> 2:07:34.040 certainly any recognition of it. Obviously the they made the 2:07:34.200 --> 2:07:37.160 choice essentially to be known when it comes to radar 2:07:37.200 --> 2:07:38.960 after they were taking out some of the stuff that 2:07:39.520 --> 2:07:41.640 may well have been shot back at them. But let's 2:07:41.680 --> 2:07:45.160 talk about the potentials and obviously no one knows until 2:07:45.200 --> 2:07:48.480 we see, but about how Iran responds here. Basically, the 2:07:49.320 --> 2:07:52.280 concern of some of the President's supporters were that they 2:07:52.280 --> 2:07:54.760 don't want to Rack or Afghanistan. They don't want to 2:07:54.800 --> 2:07:57.400 be drawn into multiple years regime change, all the rest 2:07:57.440 --> 2:08:00.680 of it. We know Israel needed to essentially the call 2:08:00.760 --> 2:08:02.840 in from the United States to do what they have 2:08:03.040 --> 2:08:06.240 just done. All night, we've been looking at a map 2:08:07.040 --> 2:08:09.680 which is about where all of the well publicly known 2:08:10.160 --> 2:08:14.240 locations of American bases or their forces will happen to be. 2:08:14.920 --> 2:08:19.760 They are tantalizingly close to Iran in places like Kuwait. 2:08:20.200 --> 2:08:22.320 But the message clearly that's come out of that message 2:08:22.600 --> 2:08:25.120 out of that press conference is you touch one of them, 2:08:25.160 --> 2:08:27.400 you're going to be in a world of trouble. So 2:08:27.960 --> 2:08:33.360 what militarily are the options for a country like Iran 2:08:33.440 --> 2:08:35.800 that doesn't want what happened today to happen again. 2:08:37.440 --> 2:08:41.560 Well, I don't think Iran has any strategically significant options. 2:08:41.640 --> 2:08:44.480 I think it's been boxed in to a position where 2:08:44.520 --> 2:08:48.240 it can't do anything really change this game. Now, of 2:08:48.320 --> 2:08:51.160 course it can lash out, and probably will latch out. 2:08:51.520 --> 2:08:54.440 Immediately after these strikes took place here in Tel Aviv, 2:08:54.480 --> 2:08:57.920 there was a something thirty missiles launched, but not more 2:08:57.960 --> 2:09:01.200 a Tel Aviv's but of Israel and blued the thirty 2:09:01.240 --> 2:09:05.560 ballistic missiles launched. That wasn't any big deal. But it 2:09:05.680 --> 2:09:08.720 was a big deal, but it wasn't really anything new. 2:09:08.800 --> 2:09:11.240 It's been happening pretty much every night for the last week. 2:09:11.880 --> 2:09:15.480 But that's an initial reaction which may or may not 2:09:15.560 --> 2:09:17.560 have been triggered actually by this strike. It may have 2:09:17.600 --> 2:09:20.480 been planned anyway, but there's every reason to think that 2:09:20.600 --> 2:09:24.360 they will try and lash out at US spaces in 2:09:24.440 --> 2:09:28.480 the region, probably not directly from Iran, probably using their 2:09:28.560 --> 2:09:33.600 proxies in Iraq. They've got multiple proxies in Iraq which 2:09:33.640 --> 2:09:37.760 have got significant quantities of missiles themselves supplied by Iran. 2:09:38.160 --> 2:09:41.800 And of course the Huthi's in Yemen, which could also 2:09:41.880 --> 2:09:45.480 attack military bases, could attack shipping in the Red Sea 2:09:45.480 --> 2:09:49.160 as they've done before, and they could also either of 2:09:49.240 --> 2:09:52.640 the you know, either proxies in Iraq, proxies in Yemen, 2:09:52.920 --> 2:09:57.080 or indeed Iran itself could launch missiles at Gulf nations 2:09:57.480 --> 2:10:02.320 oil installations for example, as a form of retaliation. There's 2:10:02.360 --> 2:10:05.480 all of those options. But in addition to that, there 2:10:05.600 --> 2:10:09.800 is the possibility of terrorist attacks around the world. And 2:10:10.560 --> 2:10:15.000 Iran has sleeper cells in probably most countries in Europe 2:10:15.120 --> 2:10:19.120 certainly many of them, and in the United States, which 2:10:19.200 --> 2:10:23.160 exist and we're put in place years ago for exactly 2:10:23.240 --> 2:10:28.720 this situation, so to carry out retaliation against America's enemies 2:10:28.760 --> 2:10:31.480 and against America if there was a strike on Iran. 2:10:32.080 --> 2:10:35.160 So those sleeper cells could well be activated in any 2:10:35.200 --> 2:10:38.000 of those countries. Whether they would succeed, obviously is another question. 2:10:38.200 --> 2:10:41.520 Now all of our security services in these countries. 2:10:41.160 --> 2:10:44.160 Are well aware of them and hopefully able to prevent attacks, 2:10:44.200 --> 2:10:45.760 but that wouldn't be a surprise at all. 2:10:46.200 --> 2:10:47.840 The final thing, which may be a bit. 2:10:47.800 --> 2:10:50.360 Out of the box I'll mention it anyway place, is 2:10:51.280 --> 2:10:56.960 the possibility that Iran still does maybe have some uranium 2:10:57.440 --> 2:11:00.880 enriched uranium which has not been destroyed at foordoh or 2:11:00.960 --> 2:11:04.520 any of the other locations. Potentially they can manufacture a 2:11:04.600 --> 2:11:09.560 dirty bomb in other words, radiological dispersal device which is 2:11:09.640 --> 2:11:12.120 not as powerful as a nuclear bomb, but can cause 2:11:12.160 --> 2:11:16.120 severe damage if it's if it's definated, and somehow smuggle 2:11:16.200 --> 2:11:20.839 that into Israel, that would be or and D potentially 2:11:20.880 --> 2:11:23.160 another hour country if they couldn't get it into Israel. 2:11:23.360 --> 2:11:25.680 So I don't I'm not saying that's a highly likely option, 2:11:25.840 --> 2:11:30.360 but it remains one of the possibilities for Iranian retaliation. 2:11:30.200 --> 2:11:32.720 Well absolutely, And about the success of the operation again, 2:11:32.840 --> 2:11:35.520 multiple days to work it all out, and then the 2:11:35.600 --> 2:11:38.240 Iranians themselves are suggesting, well, no, you didn't get it 2:11:38.280 --> 2:11:41.480 all So that very much becomes an option to be 2:11:41.600 --> 2:11:43.840 feared Richard, thank you so much, which you kemps a 2:11:43.920 --> 2:11:48.800 former commander. 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