WEBVTT - Why did Albanese back banning under-16s from social media?

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<v Speaker 1>Good evening, Welcome to this special edition of six News

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<v Speaker 1>from the Olivio Tourist Park in camera on.

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<v Speaker 2>Leon Leonardo Paglizi was just eleven years old when he

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<v Speaker 2>founded six News.

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<v Speaker 1>Overnight on Tuesday, Boris Johnson became the leader of the

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<v Speaker 1>Conservative Party.

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<v Speaker 3>And the British PM, defeating Jeremy hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>Leo is now sixteen and his online streaming news channel

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<v Speaker 2>has a team of around a dozen reporters, some are

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<v Speaker 2>as young as fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be covering all of this and we

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<v Speaker 1>want to get first to our team of reporters. We

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<v Speaker 1>of course have eight in Chcombe, Stuart, Jeffrey, Maggie Perry

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<v Speaker 1>and Roman McKinnon, and we'll be going to Roman first.

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<v Speaker 1>He is in Morton Bay. Were there.

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<v Speaker 2>The six News's whole operation could be in jeopardy because

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<v Speaker 2>some very powerful people think some of those reporters are

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<v Speaker 2>too young to be on social media. From Schwartz Media,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Ashlin McGee. This is seven AM. There are a

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<v Speaker 2>number of campaigns running at the moments concerned about the

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<v Speaker 2>effect social media is having on young people, from exposure

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<v Speaker 2>to harmful content, to mental health issues, cyberbullying, depression and

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<v Speaker 2>even suicide, and the proposed solution is simply to ban

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<v Speaker 2>anyone under sixteen from social media for their own protection.

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<v Speaker 2>But could it even work today? Chief anker and Managing

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<v Speaker 2>director of six News Australia, Leo Puglezi, on what he

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<v Speaker 2>thinks of the idea and why even the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be backing it. It's Tuesday, May twenty eighth, Leo.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a big operation running there, and underage labor

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<v Speaker 2>is a pretty big part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it is? It is a pretty big part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm glad no authorities have caught on yet. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's a pretty it's a pretty good news room that

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<v Speaker 1>we've got running, you know, about a dozen people based

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<v Speaker 1>right around the country and also one in Toronto as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we've been going for about five years now,

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, we've had people in Perth, in Tasmania,

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<v Speaker 1>in Victoria, a lot in New South Wales and Queensland

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and I think we've been growing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty steadily. We've been managing people, you know, some younger

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<v Speaker 1>than me, some people thirteen and others who are you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doing their university studies and you know, we've been going

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<v Speaker 1>for long enough that multiple of our reporters are actually

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<v Speaker 1>at the age we're they're now able to be picked

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<v Speaker 1>up by major networks. And you know, I'm not the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest fan of poaching, but it is a pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I'm really glad to see it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a bigger threat to your existence at the moment, too,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it. Talk to me a bit more about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's this new proposal that we've seen, and

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<v Speaker 1>again it's kind of a it's a broad proposal in

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<v Speaker 1>the sense that the restrictions and the details that haven't

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<v Speaker 1>all been ironed out and unified. But the basic thing

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<v Speaker 1>is a restriction on the age for social media for

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<v Speaker 1>kids now obviously present day, it is thirteen on most

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<v Speaker 1>major platforms that I've seen, right, Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, I

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<v Speaker 1>will leave they're all thirteen, Facebook and Instagram the same.

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<v Speaker 1>But from what we've heard, the government is talking about

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<v Speaker 1>extending that to sixteen. Now isn't officially a federal government proposal. This,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the kind of weird thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Our next guest is very important to a topic that

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<v Speaker 4>we launched yesterday. The initiative called thirty six months. We

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<v Speaker 4>need you go to thirty six months dot com dot AU.

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<v Speaker 4>We want you to sign the petition. The petition that

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<v Speaker 4>says we need to change the age that kids can

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<v Speaker 4>join social media from thirteen to sixteen. We went through

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<v Speaker 4>the statistics.

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<v Speaker 1>The Prime Minister has fully endorsed it being up by

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six months, which would take it to under sixteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Prime Minister, could you go to thirty six months dot

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<v Speaker 4>com DOTU and sign the petition for us.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't sign petitions because they're to me, but we.

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<v Speaker 4>Want your name on it. We want your name on

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<v Speaker 4>it to say that you clearly understand what we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to do, because you can pull the trigger. I assure

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<v Speaker 4>you I am very supportive of the work that is

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<v Speaker 4>taking place, and I would encourage people to What.

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<v Speaker 1>That would do would effectively ban half our newsroom and

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<v Speaker 1>some of the most significant people in it from participating

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<v Speaker 1>in it. They wouldn't be able to be on social

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<v Speaker 1>media where we communicate the most, which would be a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big, pretty big change for us. And that extends

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<v Speaker 1>to a couple of people, right that's our national affairs

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<v Speaker 1>that are Austin Polky basically runs half the life production

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<v Speaker 1>and we're live every single day on the hour, every hour.

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<v Speaker 3>Treasurer Jin Chamas has handed down this year's budget for

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty twenty four twenty five financial year.

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<v Speaker 1>There's problem number one that would be a pretty big

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<v Speaker 1>loss for us. Our political editor Roma mckinn who's with

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<v Speaker 1>us for a while, and now he'd also have to go.

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<v Speaker 1>And he actually interviewed Scott Morrison and Anthony Albanesi in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two before the federal election. He'd be gone

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<v Speaker 1>missed Albanese.

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<v Speaker 3>Is Roman McKinnon here, federal political reporter. You said at

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<v Speaker 3>the start of the campaign that you're not Scott Morrison

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<v Speaker 3>and don't run away from press conferences. Yet days later

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<v Speaker 3>you walked out of a press conference rather just eight

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<v Speaker 3>minutes in. Well, journalists continue to ask you questions. Did

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<v Speaker 3>you break your promise?

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<v Speaker 5>Not at all, I've I never said I.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a couple others as well. Maggie Perry, our election reporter,

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<v Speaker 1>she is with us for all the election nights and

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of other election previews as well, gone as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you expecting? Well, I really can't see any

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<v Speaker 1>pathway for a labor majority or anything like that point.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the liberals.

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<v Speaker 1>If this band went ahead, right, you would have our

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen year old reporters would be off Twitter, where we

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<v Speaker 1>communicate most of the time and that's where we organize things,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where we plan our live coverage, that's where we

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<v Speaker 1>plan election coverage. They'd be gone from that. And also

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't be able to interact with any of our viewers,

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<v Speaker 1>which is really important because Twitter is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>largest places we have a following. It's where a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these reporters post breaking news and we're able to

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<v Speaker 1>get that out. And it's just quite an extraordinary proposal

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not just talking about taking kids off Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok and Twitter, but it's talking about banning from YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>And when six News we started, and mind you, for

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<v Speaker 1>the first year or so, it was the uploads were

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<v Speaker 1>under parent supervision. I will stress that, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>eleven when the YouTube channel started. There would be no

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<v Speaker 1>six News if this band was in place a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago. So let me get this right.

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<v Speaker 2>One of your reporters can interview the Prime Minister for

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<v Speaker 2>your social media channels, and yet the Prime Minister's saying, yeah, Na,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't trust you on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>It is pretty weird. It is pretty bizarre. And look,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the Prime Minister and we had them on

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<v Speaker 1>just before the election where he was elected. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he said he would come back on six News if

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<v Speaker 1>he was elected. You know, but he's praising us for

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<v Speaker 1>our work at mind you. I was fourteen at the

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<v Speaker 1>time of the interview as well. He's praising us for

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<v Speaker 1>our work. But you know, he just doesn't think that

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<v Speaker 1>we're mature enough to have a Twitter account or a

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube account. It just makes no sense when you scratch

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<v Speaker 1>the surface.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean to give you a bit of pushback on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people might hear this and go, oh, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Leo Puglezi is just a media baron speaking for her

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<v Speaker 2>from his own self interest here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe I am, but also like, I have no

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<v Speaker 1>personal stake in it in the sense that I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>banned with this proposal. And I will of course say

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<v Speaker 1>that these fifteen year old reporters we have they will

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<v Speaker 1>be sixteen soon ish. But in general it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre proposal. And when I think about mind you, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you seven and eight. For me starting high school,

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<v Speaker 1>it was remote learning that has changed things. You can

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<v Speaker 1>say for better or worse of social media and use

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<v Speaker 1>and the amount of time people spend online. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't imagine what it would be like if

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have Instagram at that age, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>using a boom a frase. Kids these days they don't

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<v Speaker 1>communicate via phone calls or even just text messages, whichat

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<v Speaker 1>via Instagram or some do via discord or whatever. And

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<v Speaker 1>it is twenty twenty four. Social media action, interactions and

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<v Speaker 1>communication that is normal for us, even though I know

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister said he wants kids to act in

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<v Speaker 1>in normal ways. You can have you know, your directivities,

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<v Speaker 1>you should have your directivities. You can have all that

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<v Speaker 1>without banning kids from communicating with each other on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>or just having a social media profile if the age

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<v Speaker 1>loomits thirteen right, and with the current restrictions they have,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just enter your birth date or click are

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<v Speaker 1>you over insert age here? Depending on the site. That

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work. You can take that from experience. That doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>The only other way you could make it work is

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<v Speaker 1>if you put in a lot of ID and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of information that all users would have to have

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<v Speaker 1>in now. I don't see that happening either given there

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<v Speaker 1>are plenty of understandable privacy concerns and safety concerns with

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<v Speaker 1>giving all your data to Twitter at the moment, which

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be falling apart on its best days, or

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<v Speaker 1>just any site. And again I just don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth all that effort to ban from these platforms when

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<v Speaker 1>mind you, there are so many other initiatives that you

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<v Speaker 1>could put it in place that could work here in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of making sure kids are safe without having to

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<v Speaker 1>ban them, because I guarantee you a band will only

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<v Speaker 1>spur them on, especially especially if we're thinking a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more specific, for a thirteen or a fourteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>who is banned for at least a year until they

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<v Speaker 1>turn sixteen or whatever, and you just think, well, they've

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<v Speaker 1>just had it taken away from them. It's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to work.

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<v Speaker 2>After the break the political strategy behind raising the age Leo,

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<v Speaker 2>it feels like this story about raising the age of

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<v Speaker 2>kids on social media is everywhere at the moment. Where's

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<v Speaker 2>it come from? Are we even having this discussion right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Look, we had seen this develop for a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days right the South Australian Premier Peter Malanowsk has really

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<v Speaker 1>kicked it off. He's proposing a bit more moderate which

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<v Speaker 1>is under fourteen's men, which is barely change from what

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<v Speaker 1>it is now.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's not about being a trogoloid eye or anything,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think it's about making sure that for children

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<v Speaker 5>under the age of fourteen, they're not getting access to

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<v Speaker 5>these platforms where we know it's doing them harm.

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<v Speaker 1>And then look, we have seen a pretty big increase

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<v Speaker 1>in this conversation in the media and polity over the

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<v Speaker 1>past week, especially in a lot of the news Corp newspapers.

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<v Speaker 5>News Corp Australia is launching a new national campaign aimed

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<v Speaker 5>at protecting young Australians from the dangers of social media.

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<v Speaker 1>That let Them Be Kids campaign is called It's a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing to have on the headlines, a big campaign

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<v Speaker 1>launched by all the newspapers that gets clicks. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>it was also on radio and you've got the thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six months website.

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<v Speaker 6>How good made of Mine? And radio broadcaster Michael Whippat

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<v Speaker 6>Whipfley has gone on a bit of a rampage which

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<v Speaker 6>I'm loving.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called thirty six months.

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<v Speaker 6>He wants to increase the age restriction of kids getting

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<v Speaker 6>on to social media from thirteen to sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you get Anthony up and easy On to

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<v Speaker 1>endorse it, and then that gets a lot more attention.

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<v Speaker 1>It got my attention. A lot of it of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is coming from post pandemic. Right. We've had all these

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<v Speaker 1>discussions about the impact of being online too much in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, and look, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>doubt that either. I think though, there is a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of confusion and mixed conversation about the differences between kids

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<v Speaker 1>spending too much time inside and online and kids being

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<v Speaker 1>addicted to a certain social media platform or kids you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being unsafe on social media platform. In some ways, they

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<v Speaker 1>are different conversations. But again, when you scratch the surface,

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<v Speaker 1>there are just so many problems with it, and again

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<v Speaker 1>there are just so many other ways that you could

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<v Speaker 1>protect kids through social media and help keep them safe. Education,

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<v Speaker 1>of course is a big thing, and of course education

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<v Speaker 1>goes both ways. Right, we're talking about parents in this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll educate parents. So many parents that are digitally illiterate,

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<v Speaker 1>so on mine to be honest, LEO, why.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 2>So many politicians are throwing their weight behind it, Like

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<v Speaker 2>what's in it For someone like Anthony Albanezi, why would

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<v Speaker 2>they back it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, it's a good way again to say that

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing something in terms of supporting parents, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good way to say you're protecting kids, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>mind you, in terms of the people who would be

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<v Speaker 1>banned by it, well, they're not voters yet and so

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<v Speaker 1>it's a nice way to say that you're doing all that.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets you a good lot of attention, to Midie,

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen pretty much every government minister in the

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<v Speaker 1>book and premiere talking about this over the past few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>It's getting a lot of attention. It's getting a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of opposition attention as well. It's a good way to,

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<v Speaker 1>of course try to get the opposition on side and

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<v Speaker 1>pass something through easily. But again i'll just backtrack into

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<v Speaker 1>what I said before. It is just a good way

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<v Speaker 1>to say that we're doing something, even if it might

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<v Speaker 1>actually not be because what are you going to do

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<v Speaker 1>when the fourteen year old who has banned signs up

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<v Speaker 1>with a different birth year and still can access the

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<v Speaker 1>harmful material that you're talking about stopping again, it's not logical.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone who knows, you know, teenages will tell you that

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<v Speaker 1>they will be spurred on by being told that you

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<v Speaker 1>can't do something, or you can't access this, or you

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<v Speaker 1>can't have an account on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the part of this that isn't in dispute

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<v Speaker 2>is that there are some really serious and significant harms

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<v Speaker 2>to young people's mental health from different social media platforms

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<v Speaker 2>to various extents, for various people. But Leo, you're someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's pretty exposed on social media, and I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>you worry at all about the impact on your own

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<v Speaker 2>mental health.

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<v Speaker 1>Look for me personally, I mean, I've seen a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, nasty comments over the years. Right, these

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<v Speaker 1>are just the haters and losers of Twitter. Right. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>there have been messages to kill myself. I've had a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of those. There's been some threats to go to

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<v Speaker 1>my school. I do keep my school anonymous, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>just been general comments. So over like four years I've

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<v Speaker 1>been on Twitter, where it's either and this extends from

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<v Speaker 1>when I was thirteen to you know, now sixteen going seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>Comments mentioning genitalia, comments that are just generally inappropriate, comments

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<v Speaker 1>about parents, just you know, really weird, creepy comments, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just amazing how me reporting the news, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>impartially running six news has managed to you know, noise

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<v Speaker 1>so many people. It's incredible. I don't completely understand why

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<v Speaker 1>these people have such weird reactions. So look, I cop

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<v Speaker 1>it all the time. I'm not saying it's taken a

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<v Speaker 1>toll or anything like that. I feel like I'm again

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not the right word, but coping fine, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>so for me personally, I'm able to deal with it fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But again that goes back to what I said in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the fact that each child, each teenager, reacts

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<v Speaker 1>to a comment differently. A seventeen eighteen year old could

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<v Speaker 1>take an awful comment on Twitter a lot worse than

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<v Speaker 1>a fourteen year old or a thirteen year old or

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<v Speaker 1>a fifteen year old. It's all about the individual, which

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<v Speaker 1>again parents and their kids will only know that best.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, yeah, you're right, it's not in dispute that

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<v Speaker 1>there can be impacts on kids' mental health because of

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<v Speaker 1>social media. I'm not disputing that myself, but it really

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<v Speaker 1>just is down to the individual, which is why I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see how a blanket being could actually address it

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<v Speaker 1>if we're talking about keeping kids safe, because I will

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<v Speaker 1>remind everyone that there are kids who feel more safe

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<v Speaker 1>in a social media community. Maybe it's because they've got

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<v Speaker 1>problems at home or problems at school, and they feel

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<v Speaker 1>like they're able to be safe and expressive on social

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<v Speaker 1>media fifteen sixteen year olds, And I don't see how

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<v Speaker 1>taking that away would help them. And again, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about an issue with their own family, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like they can just go to their family instead

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<v Speaker 1>of social media and some of these circumstances, which again

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<v Speaker 1>it goes back to it, a blanket band does not work.

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<v Speaker 1>It will not work. Leo.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Also in the news today, administrators for the budget airline

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<v Speaker 2>Bonza have been given a two months deadline to try

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<v Speaker 2>to sell it in a federal court hearing yesterday. Bonza's

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<v Speaker 2>fleet of planes has remained grounded after the company unexpectedly

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<v Speaker 2>canceled all flights in April. It's since been revealed to

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<v Speaker 2>be one hundred and ten million dollars in debt and

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<v Speaker 2>more than three hundred staff face an uncertain future, and

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa Wilkinson is seeking one point eight million dollars from

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<v Speaker 2>Channel ten to cover illegal fees in defending the defamation

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<v Speaker 2>claim brought by Bruce Lehman against both the network and

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<v Speaker 2>her the presiding judge. Just as Michael Lee said, he

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<v Speaker 2>hoped Ten and Wilkinson's lawyers could sit down with some

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<v Speaker 2>quote yellow and blue highlighters and come to an agreement themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>but Wilkinson's lawyers appeared unconvinced, saying they believe Ten had

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<v Speaker 2>a reluctance to pay us anything. I'm Ashlin McGee. This

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<v Speaker 2>is seven am, and we'll see you again tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello,