Speaker 1: On scoring leaves Australia.
Speaker 2: This is the Wider Panalty Show.
Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the REATA Patty Show.
Speaker 4: Patrick Carlin will be here to discuss the day's top headlines.
Speaker 3: The Great Douglas Murray.
Speaker 4: Will be with me shortly and he's always in top form.
Speaker 3: We don't want to miss that.
Speaker 4: Kosher Gator will have the latest from the US, and
Speaker 4: later in the hour, Colleen Harken on the twisted priorities
Speaker 4: of the Australian school.
Speaker 3: Curriculum and left is losing.
Speaker 4: It is full of sin and silliness and lies like.
Speaker 5: This sinan does not heed our country. That should go
Speaker 5: without saying.
Speaker 4: But first let's start with this car crash interview on
Speaker 4: the ABC.
Speaker 3: Here is till and Member for.
Speaker 4: Kyong Monique Ryan floundering badly after being asked a rather
Speaker 4: simple question. First she railed against the right wing media
Speaker 4: and Australia having sources in the Liberal Party, God forbid,
Speaker 4: and then she failed to answer a straightforward question about
Speaker 4: transparency and integrity.
Speaker 6: Much of what is put into the press, and the
Speaker 6: right wing press in particular, has been fed to it.
Speaker 6: But my political opponents.
Speaker 2: Well, OK, we're talking about paying we're actually paying for content.
Speaker 2: Do you have a problem with that?
Speaker 3: Look, I think we're.
Speaker 6: Paying to generate the content that we're putting in front
Speaker 6: of the voters.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure there's a big issue there.
Speaker 2: But should it be clear to voters people who are
Speaker 2: looking at this content that it's paid for by the politician?
Speaker 6: I don't really have an opinion on it, really.
Speaker 3: Really, really, monique. This isn't hard.
Speaker 4: It's not a got your question, It's not a nuanced
Speaker 4: store something to ponder unless you're a Till, a hard
Speaker 4: left till who pretended to be a conservative alternative. The
Speaker 4: train Wreek interview continued. David Spears was trying not to
Speaker 4: laugh out loud here.
Speaker 2: I think, Well, you don't think voters deserve to know
Speaker 2: that if someone they're watching is saying great things about
Speaker 2: a politician, whether they're being paid by that politician.
Speaker 6: I have to give it some thought. It's not something
Speaker 6: I've given great thought to myself. Obviously, I haven't engaged
Speaker 6: in anything like that muscle.
Speaker 2: You'd have to give that some thought.
Speaker 6: Well, Uh, I would think that it would be clear.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 7: I'd have to give it some thought.
Speaker 4: Done, Yes, let's think about that. Just incredible stuff from
Speaker 4: doctor Minigue. There, David Spears tried again with this very
Speaker 4: simple question. All she had to do was disavow something
Speaker 4: that is clearly dodgy and dishonest. Remember, the tills are
Speaker 4: meant to restore integrity.
Speaker 2: So you might be all right with politicians paying for
Speaker 2: content that voters have no idea money is changing hands.
Speaker 6: Well, I think that's potentially happening, been happening for a
Speaker 6: long time. If you look at the cartoons that Pauline
Speaker 6: Hanson's been putting on the social media for years now,
Speaker 6: which are very clearly politically biased cache, I'm not sure
Speaker 6: that that is the case. Actually, I think it's an
Speaker 6: interesting question. I think media diversity and the way that
Speaker 6: our media works in this country is something which would
Speaker 6: certainly merit greater examination and something that we could talk about.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll move on. Your husband, of course, famously apologized
Speaker 2: for being caught on camera removing signs from your liberal
Speaker 2: opponent Amelia Hamer.
Speaker 3: One sign. It was one sign, just one sign, nothing
Speaker 3: to see.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 4: She goes on some incoherent ran there about media diversity
Speaker 4: in Pauline Hansen's cartoon series to try to deflect to
Speaker 4: not answer a simple question about integrity and transparency. As
Speaker 4: for that satirical cartoon series.
Speaker 3: Please explain.
Speaker 4: I think they now there, Monique Character.
Speaker 3: Sure, so why are not Time Minister yet? Monique, You've
Speaker 3: been in the public service for like two days?
Speaker 7: It should be me.
Speaker 8: I should be in India. Imagine me on my head
Speaker 8: and where's my own point.
Speaker 3: Of the Kurish coronation.
Speaker 4: Joining me now for more on This is News Corps
Speaker 4: senior writer Patrick Carline. Patrick, that was a mess. That
Speaker 4: was not a good moment for Monique Ryan.
Speaker 9: That was painful to watch, wasn't I I mean, how
Speaker 9: many times can you dance around a very simple question
Speaker 9: like that. She's there because supposedly transparency and integrity. He's
Speaker 9: a gross example of something that was intransparent and wasn't
Speaker 9: above board. Even the Greens have called out. Even the
Speaker 9: Greens have called it out, as have the mainstream parties.
Speaker 9: This was not a hard question and she really got
Speaker 9: called out, didn't she. I mean, she just didn't know
Speaker 9: what to say. It was painful to watch.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're supposed to be independents. They keep telling
Speaker 4: us this is not this group who is a political party.
Speaker 4: We know, Simon Holmes, the court devotes all sorts of
Speaker 4: funding to them, but surely you can say, yes, she
Speaker 4: may be a colleague, but I think she made a
Speaker 4: mistake here, and it's not a decision I would make.
Speaker 4: Sticking with the election campaign, economists have warned that the
Speaker 4: campaign has turned into a dangerous spending competition between the
Speaker 4: major parties, with both Labor and the Coalition bribing voters
Speaker 4: with schemes worth billions of dollars. As they're otherwise lackluster
Speaker 4: campaigns failed to gain traction, and patrick are growing fears
Speaker 4: that competing election promises on housing in particular, are tinkering
Speaker 4: while our creaking system lurches towards collapse.
Speaker 3: That's a direct quote.
Speaker 4: We can ill afford this sort of spendathon, can we
Speaker 4: We've got inflationary pressures to consider and record debt.
Speaker 9: That's right. Somebody worked out that if you added together
Speaker 9: the cost of these proposals by Labor and the Coalition,
Speaker 9: you're looking at twenty four billion dollars between them for
Speaker 9: something that economists say is not going to work. These
Speaker 9: measures are not going to make it easier for first
Speaker 9: home buyers. It's just going to push up the price
Speaker 9: of houses and these are bribes. Basically, we're looking at
Speaker 9: a campaign at the moment that is very much aimed
Speaker 9: at anyone under the age of thirty. You've got young
Speaker 9: voters for the first time, and it has become this
Speaker 9: spenderthon what are the best bribes we can bring for
Speaker 9: young people to get them to vote for us. And
Speaker 9: we're not being at all well served. I mean, the
Speaker 9: big issues facing Australia are not being discussed, much less debated.
Speaker 4: What's in this campaign for say, over fifty fives. You
Speaker 4: look at the focus does seem to be overwhelmingly on
Speaker 4: those younger voters.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, and these aren't good policies. These aren't actually going
Speaker 9: to fix the word. These are just bribes to actually
Speaker 9: get young voters to vote for them. And look the
Speaker 9: Teals are doing it. The Greens are going to make
Speaker 9: everything free. From the sound of it, everything's free if
Speaker 9: you're under the age of thirty. And we're not being
Speaker 9: well served, and they're certainly very little for anyone who's older,
Speaker 9: who has paid their way, who has paid their taxes.
Speaker 9: They have been sort of forgotten in this whole campaign
Speaker 9: so far.
Speaker 4: Now let's switch to the Victorian Liberals. Who are very
Speaker 4: slow learners. Indeed, the Herald signs reporting that multiple candidates
Speaker 4: will be challenging more A Deemings number one position on
Speaker 4: the Western Metropolitan Upper House ticket. When pre selection begins.
Speaker 4: It's going to be happening shortly after the federal election.
Speaker 4: There is a plot by Liberal operatives to end more
Speaker 4: A Deming's political career with the Liberal Party. Patrick, she's
Speaker 4: one of the most popular, one of the most effective
Speaker 4: and recognizable Liberals in this state.
Speaker 3: There aren't too many of them.
Speaker 4: Why are they so desperate to unsee Look.
Speaker 9: The Lids haven't had any sniff of power since twenty
Speaker 9: fourteen at the main members of Victorian were subjected to
Speaker 9: the worst government in my lifetime. Victorians just want to
Speaker 9: boot out just Into Allen ahead of letters. We get
Speaker 9: elected ahead of just Into Ellen tomorrow. But the Liberals
Speaker 9: at the same time are too busy fighting themselves. They
Speaker 9: haven't actually been a credible alternative for more than a decade,
Speaker 9: and now this more redeeming business. It should have been
Speaker 9: resolved in a day, maybe two days, but instead we
Speaker 9: had a defamation case. We saw the opposition leader John
Speaker 9: Pisudo knocked out as a consequence of that they're too
Speaker 9: busy fighting themselves and we are actually being poorly served
Speaker 9: by an opposition that is too busy fighting with itself.
Speaker 4: And I have said all along, one of the reasons
Speaker 4: we've had such a poor government in this state is
Speaker 4: that we've got such a poor opposition.
Speaker 3: They haven't held them to account. And here we are.
Speaker 4: Now, finally, Patrick, we're talking about the Greens. Let's meet
Speaker 4: one of theirs. Meet Avery Howard, the Greens candidate for Fowler.
Speaker 3: Goes by. They then pronouns, of course, of course he does.
Speaker 4: A self described queer, anti poverty advocate and retail worker,
Speaker 4: Avery has signed up to an Australian Palestinian Advocacy Network
Speaker 4: initiative and vow to support a complete and permanent cease
Speaker 4: firing Gaza and all sorts of other anti Israeli policies,
Speaker 4: and to Israel's blockade on Gaza, illegal occupation and apartheid,
Speaker 4: targeted sanctions and arms in bargo against at Israel many
Speaker 4: other things. I thought this was parody when I saw that.
Speaker 4: I mean the level of ignorance to be advocating for
Speaker 4: a regime that would literally kill you. You would not
Speaker 4: go into Gaza looking like that. With her mass in charge.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't even go into the West Bank looking like that.
Speaker 9: That's off the chart. It's an affront to truth and
Speaker 9: to decent see. It's totally wrong, and it's getting more
Speaker 9: and more offensive.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Patrick Carlin, thank you for your time tonight. Joining
Speaker 4: me now is best selling author Douglas Murray's latest book
Speaker 4: on Democracies and Death Colts, Israel and the Future of
Speaker 4: Civilization has just hit.
Speaker 3: The shelves and guests.
Speaker 4: Who was promoting this latest work none other than the
Speaker 4: leader of the free world, President Donald Trump, wrote, my
Speaker 4: friend Douglas Murray just released a new book on Democracies
Speaker 4: and Death Colts, and it is quickly becoming a best seller.
Speaker 4: Based on his first hand reporting, Douglas documents the barbarity
Speaker 4: of her master's brutal attack on Israel on October seven
Speaker 4: and Israel's heroic response. The book serves as a strong
Speaker 4: reminder of why we must always stand up for America
Speaker 4: and our great friend and ally Israel. A powerful read
Speaker 4: and a highly respected author, Get your copy today.
Speaker 3: Good Lord Douglas, that is some endorsement.
Speaker 4: Did you have any ink the President was going to
Speaker 4: do that?
Speaker 8: I suppose I have to be careful what I say.
Speaker 8: I gave him a copy last week.
Speaker 4: Well, clearly he's read the book and loved it. We
Speaker 4: know he doesn't sleep much, so he's read that very quickly. Douglas,
Speaker 4: you're making news again, not just writing and commenting on
Speaker 4: the headlines, but in the thick of it. Thanks to
Speaker 4: a rather robust discussion you had on Joe Rogan's podcast.
Speaker 4: It's been the talk of X and elsewhere for days.
Speaker 4: There was a clash between yourself and Dave Smith, and
Speaker 4: you even took on the man who has the biggest audience,
Speaker 4: the biggest podcast audience in the world, Joe Rogan on
Speaker 4: his own show.
Speaker 1: I just feel who you get it out straight away.
Speaker 1: I feel you've opened the door to quite a lot
Speaker 1: of people who've now got a big platform, who have
Speaker 1: been throwing out counterhistorical stuff of a very dangerous kind.
Speaker 4: Douglas, You've had plenty of people praising your performance and
Speaker 4: agreeing with you, but there has also been criticism from
Speaker 4: those who say you are trying to silence debate and
Speaker 4: appealing to authority or appealing to the expert class, they say,
Speaker 4: and the expert class hasn't exactly been reliable of late.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 1: I conceded all of that in the discussion on Joe's podcast.
Speaker 1: I conceded that experts have got things wrong. Look at
Speaker 1: the COVID and the lab league. And I also said,
Speaker 1: I certainly am not shutting down debate. I'm involved in debate,
Speaker 1: so why would I be shutting it down. What I
Speaker 1: do believe and what I think many people have completely
Speaker 1: failed to absorb is the fact that there just because
Speaker 1: you know, the expert class has let itself down in
Speaker 1: places on occasion, does not mean that lack of expertise
Speaker 1: is more desirable than expertise, And it does not mean
Speaker 1: that we should just have other ways of knowing about
Speaker 1: things that can be known about.
Speaker 8: The cat part who Joe Rogan brought in for that
Speaker 8: debate seemed to think that, for instance.
Speaker 1: Not going to a place that you're talking about was
Speaker 1: in some way a desirable thing. Whereas I as a journalist,
Speaker 1: you as a journalist, though that if we cover a
Speaker 1: story in a country, For instance, when you were covering
Speaker 1: the American election in twenty twenty, as I was.
Speaker 8: You were in America, why were you in America? Because
Speaker 8: you were covering the American elections?
Speaker 1: And if you'd have been just sitting in Australia covering
Speaker 1: the American elections. That wouldn't have had the validity that
Speaker 1: it does if you are in the country you are
Speaker 1: writing about.
Speaker 8: I think this is a.
Speaker 1: Deliberate misunderstanding by people. And let me very quickly explain
Speaker 1: why Joe Rogan is a big MMA guy. I probably
Speaker 1: know you probably know about as much about MMA.
Speaker 11: As I do.
Speaker 8: You might surprise me, Rita.
Speaker 1: But if either of us went on his podcast and
Speaker 1: decided to spend the three hours talking.
Speaker 8: About MMA, we would be found out.
Speaker 1: Pretty fast as not knowing what we were talking about.
Speaker 1: And at some point Joe would cott an end to
Speaker 1: that and he would say, I'm sorry, you'd seem not
Speaker 1: to know about this subject. Well, that's because it's a
Speaker 1: subject he knows a lot about. My simple point is
Speaker 1: that there is something very different happening if a host's
Speaker 1: platform repeatedly cranks with the same opinion as each other
Speaker 1: on very very important questions and do not allow on
Speaker 1: contrary views or very rarely, for instance, to not have
Speaker 1: somebody on who is supportive of Ukraine as opposed to
Speaker 1: highly highly critical of Ukraine.
Speaker 8: Since twenty two seems to me to be a big
Speaker 8: issue to.
Speaker 1: Say that, for instance, you spent the last eighteen month highlighting, promoting,
Speaker 1: giving a platform to anti Israel voices and just never
Speaker 1: almost never or accidentally giving a platform to anyone who's
Speaker 1: anti Hemaz.
Speaker 8: And pro as well seems to me to be a
Speaker 8: major failing.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to call it out because it's
Speaker 1: something I see and I think a lot of other
Speaker 1: people see it and are equally concerned about it.
Speaker 8: But as I say, on issues like.
Speaker 1: Mma fighting or anything else, people would notice there was
Speaker 1: something strange going on if guests were turning up who
Speaker 1: didn't know.
Speaker 8: What they were talking about.
Speaker 1: And I submit that when you get pseudo historians on talking,
Speaker 1: for instance, about Churchill and claiming that that Adolph Hitler
Speaker 1: wasn't openly anti Semitic in the nineteen thirties, but that
Speaker 1: Winston Churchill was the cause of the Second World War,
Speaker 1: I would submit you are entering very dangerous territory if
Speaker 1: you leave such ideas out there and leave them out unchallenged.
Speaker 8: So I'm all for the debate, but what I see
Speaker 8: in certain realms of the rape is not actually a debate.
Speaker 4: Now let's go to the UK, where the Keir Starmer
Speaker 4: government seems preoccupied with a Netflix drama Adolescens and is
Speaker 4: forming policies inspired by this fictional TV series. Meanwhile, Douglas,
Speaker 4: they're watering down reviews into real misogyny, into real rape
Speaker 4: culture that saw thousands of girls of young women abused
Speaker 4: in the Grooming gang scandal.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is so typical of the British government. Kenny
Speaker 1: Bednock was questioned on the weekend shows once again as
Speaker 1: to why she hasn't watched this Netflix show, as if
Speaker 1: it's compulsion reviewing and you know that it's it should
Speaker 1: lead government policy and and so on.
Speaker 8: It is, it is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I thought the drama was highly speecious, as I think
Speaker 1: I mentioned to you before.
Speaker 8: But yes, it's it's a complete cover.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jess Phillips announced, who's mentally the minister who
Speaker 1: looks after women's rights among other things. And she she
Speaker 1: announced just before a recess the other day that actually
Speaker 1: the government was shelving it's it's it's minimal inquiries into
Speaker 1: some of the rape gang scandals in Britain. And she
Speaker 1: announces that and then you know, in her side says
Speaker 1: things like you know that the opposition raising issues of
Speaker 1: you know who the victims are the fact that some
Speaker 1: of the most of the victims in those grooming gangs
Speaker 1: were subjected to the rape and tortures they were because
Speaker 1: they were white. That mentioning that is in some way
Speaker 1: islamophobic or system So this is so typical of British
Speaker 1: politics these days, as indeed other countries' politics has been
Speaker 1: kind of grabbed by this agenda. You pass over real
Speaker 1: crimes and you talk about non crimes, you ignore unbelievable
Speaker 1: things that have actually happened in your country, and you
Speaker 1: fixate on a fictional Netflix drama.
Speaker 8: I wish I was surprised that this is so Labor Party.
Speaker 3: It is, and.
Speaker 4: It is absolutely mind boggling how this isn't a bigger
Speaker 4: outrage in the UK. There aren't people marching in the
Speaker 4: streets every weekend over this issue.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: Rape and abuse and torture, human trafficking on an enormous
Speaker 4: scale across the country, and so many people who seem
Speaker 4: to be very much obsessed with women's right and human
Speaker 4: rights pay.
Speaker 3: Its scant attention.
Speaker 4: Before you go, Douglas, I've got to ask you about
Speaker 4: John Oliver is upsetting people in the US and beyond
Speaker 4: with another lengthy rant about trans athletes apparently males of
Speaker 4: no real advantage and women should just copy it, and
Speaker 4: those making an issue about this and the real villains.
Speaker 4: He also seems to be an authority on what happens
Speaker 4: in girls' bathrooms.
Speaker 12: Last year, for instance, Peyton McNabb tweeted the video of
Speaker 12: her confronting a trans woman with the caption a man
Speaker 12: using the girl's bathroom at Western Carolina University unreal, which
Speaker 12: is really nasty And for the record, ambushing strangers just
Speaker 12: minding their own business is not what girls' bathrooms are for.
Speaker 12: Girls bathrooms offer gassing each other up, making best friends
Speaker 12: with thirty seconds, complimenting tops, tucking in tags, and zipping
Speaker 12: up dresses. What one girl says, OMG, that lipstick looks
Speaker 12: so good on you.
Speaker 4: I don't know about you, Douglas, but I found that
Speaker 4: not only spectacularly unfunny but also a little bit creepy.
Speaker 3: I mean, what is he on about?
Speaker 4: And what is this preoccupation with almost gas lighting the
Speaker 4: audience about the real advantage that male bodies enjoy over
Speaker 4: female bodies. That's why we have two categories. It's not
Speaker 4: just for the to double the viewing audience. There's a
Speaker 4: reason why women cannot compete fairly with men.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's John Oliver said you before.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so strange because the man, the guy
Speaker 1: started out as a comedian, and he just doesn't.
Speaker 8: Seem very funny.
Speaker 1: He talks like the sort of preacher to pulpit from
Speaker 1: rating his audience in the congregation of old I mean.
Speaker 8: It's very strange.
Speaker 1: He's not entertaining, he's telling and certainly for me at anyway,
Speaker 1: it's not something I love in my comedy. But as
Speaker 1: you say, there's something a little creepy better as well,
Speaker 1: because he's also I think what he's doing is he's
Speaker 1: willing to go willing to go absolutely anywhere to defend
Speaker 1: a lie which is at best cracked. I think at
Speaker 1: the moment, this idea that you know, men should tell women,
Speaker 1: that they should allow men into women's bathrooms has kind
Speaker 1: of fallen apart of late, and it's very unpopular with
Speaker 1: the public outside of a small minority of people who
Speaker 1: are obsessed with the idea that until a trans woman
Speaker 1: as they call them, can go into a women's bathroom,
Speaker 1: nobody will be free and there'll be no.
Speaker 8: Justice in the world.
Speaker 1: But it is a strange thing. But as I say,
Speaker 1: strangest is that he's hanging on to this idea that
Speaker 1: this is the rights issue or something after the rest
Speaker 1: of America has effectively said in the last election, we
Speaker 1: want to get beyond this stuff. Please God, let us
Speaker 1: just move on and stop pretending this is the big
Speaker 1: issue and a complex issue and one that is so difficult.
Speaker 1: We can't work it out unless you agree that all
Speaker 1: trans men are men and all trans women are women,
Speaker 1: and that's it, and just repeat the dogma of the time.
Speaker 1: It's so extraordinary, decease it really. John Oliver is being
Speaker 1: very twenty twenty there, and he should check the date
Speaker 1: of the diary because you'll find that he's been something
Speaker 1: of a coma.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we should move to Australia because we're somewhat of
Speaker 4: an outlie, Douglas.
Speaker 3: I hate to say, we are still.
Speaker 4: Sort of clinging to those twenty twenty notions that you know,
Speaker 4: a so called gender firming care is kindness and we
Speaker 4: should just respect pronouns unquestionably and say Australia is a
Speaker 4: little bit behind.
Speaker 8: I like the Australian, I like the Australian public and
Speaker 8: people too much to wish. John Oliver on them.
Speaker 3: Rita, well, I hope you're right. Douglas Murray, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for your time.
Speaker 4: Thank you still to Karma Lefties losing it plus the
Speaker 4: mad carry on from the Richard famous ladies who went
Speaker 4: into space Kosher Gator as the details. You're watching the
Speaker 4: Rita Paney Show, and it's time for Lefty's losing it.
Speaker 4: It's predictable. But I have more CNN nincompoopery. Yes that
Speaker 4: is a word. Look it up or just watch CNN
Speaker 4: because you'll be overwhelmed by Nicko and Poops indulging in
Speaker 4: endless nick and Pooprey. I'll be bringing you sin and
Speaker 4: anchor Caitlin Collins being comprehensively owned soon. But first, let's
Speaker 4: look at the aftermath and CNN host Dana claiming that
Speaker 4: it's misinformation to say that CNN is anti America.
Speaker 5: Say, for the record, since we heard President Trump say
Speaker 5: in the Oval Office that CNN hates our country, CNN
Speaker 5: does not hate our country. That should go without saying.
Speaker 3: Oh really, Dana, let's go to the type.
Speaker 4: I could play hours of footage of CNN hating on America.
Speaker 4: But he's just thirty seconds of CNN being anti American.
Speaker 6: Miss Grants, here's a breaking news.
Speaker 1: We live in a racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic, anti Semitic country.
Speaker 13: Everything they're doing runs against making America great. Well, it
Speaker 13: was never great, so I'm not going to say the
Speaker 13: again part, but making America great.
Speaker 14: Taking off the Independence Day weekend, President Trump will be
Speaker 14: at Mount Rushmore, where he'll be standing in front of
Speaker 14: a monument of two slave owners and on land wrestled
Speaker 14: away from Native Americans. Told that be focusing on the
Speaker 14: effort to quote tear down our country's history.
Speaker 4: Now to what sparked this latest sin and outrage. Earlier today,
Speaker 4: Caitlyn Collins was again advocating on behalf of a gang
Speaker 4: banger from El Salvador who was deported to El Salvador.
Speaker 4: Apparently that is a massive mistake that needs to be corrected.
Speaker 4: Listen here to how President Trump introduces Caitlyn Collins.
Speaker 8: Let's hear the question from this very low rated anchor.
Speaker 13: I want to ask presidentially to help return the man
Speaker 13: who your administration says was mistake was deported the man
Speaker 13: who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador.
Speaker 4: A MS thirteen gang banger in the country illegally. Apparently
Speaker 4: it's a massive mistake to deport him.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: President Trump called on the Attorney General Pam Bondi to
Speaker 4: respond to the question, and then Stephen Miller. Even Mark
Speaker 4: Rebrivio chifed in Mike Drop after Mike Drop.
Speaker 3: This was glorious.
Speaker 15: First and foremost, he was illegally in our country. He
Speaker 15: had been elie in our country. And in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 15: two courts, an immigration court and an appellate immigration court
Speaker 15: ruled that he was a member of MS thirteen and
Speaker 15: he was illegally in our country.
Speaker 4: President Trump then called on Senior Advisa Steven Miller to whine,
Speaker 4: given CNN is obsessed with this case, as you.
Speaker 13: Know, it's asked by CNN, and they always ask it,
Speaker 13: where the slant because they're totally slanting because they don't
Speaker 13: know what's happening.
Speaker 7: That's why nobody's watching them.
Speaker 8: But would you answer that question?
Speaker 13: Also, you seem gladly so, as Pam mentioned, there's the
Speaker 13: illegal alien from El Salvador. So with respect to you,
Speaker 13: he's a citizen.
Speaker 1: Of El Salvador.
Speaker 13: So it's very arrogant, even for American media to suggest
Speaker 13: that we would even tell El Salvador how to handle
Speaker 13: their own citizens as a starting point. As two immigration
Speaker 13: courts found that he was a member of MS thirteen.
Speaker 13: When President Trump declared MS thirteen to be a foreign
Speaker 13: terrorist organization, that meant that he was no longer eligible
Speaker 13: under federal law, which I'm sure you know you're very
Speaker 13: familiar with the iron a, that he was no longer
Speaker 13: eligible for any form of immigration or relief in the United States,
Speaker 13: that neither Secretary of State nor the President could be
Speaker 13: compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El
Speaker 13: Salvador from El Salvador, who again is a member of
Speaker 13: MS thirteen, which is I'm sure you understand, rapes, little girls, murderers, women,
Speaker 13: murder's children, is engaged in the most barbaric activities in
Speaker 13: the world. And I can promise you if he was
Speaker 13: your neighbor, you wouldn't move right away, So you don't plan.
Speaker 4: Yep, even after all of that, Caitlin wants to know
Speaker 4: if Trump is going to ask the gang banger be
Speaker 4: returned to America.
Speaker 13: Well, no version of this legally ends up with him
Speaker 13: ever living here, because he is a citizen of El Salvador,
Speaker 13: that is the president of El Salvador. Your questions about it,
Speaker 13: per the court can only be directed to him.
Speaker 15: I asked.
Speaker 3: President President Buke Wigan on this, do you plan to return?
Speaker 16: Well, I suppose you guys suggested that I smuggle a
Speaker 16: terrorists in today United States?
Speaker 15: Right?
Speaker 16: How can I How can I return him today? Uts like,
Speaker 16: could I smuggle him into the United States or whether
Speaker 16: I do? Of course I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 16: It's like, let me. The questions were bosterous. How can
Speaker 16: I smuggle the terrorists today? United States?
Speaker 3: Yes, it is preposterous.
Speaker 4: President for Cala, No one would expect you to smuggle
Speaker 4: a terrorist into the United States other than CNN of course.
Speaker 7: Well, they'd love to have a criminal, you know, Reis Sedule.
Speaker 16: I mean, I mean, there's just a fascin They would
Speaker 16: love it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they have sick These are sick people.
Speaker 9: Mark A.
Speaker 8: Gibbs something to say.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, Stephen Island, I don't understand what the
Speaker 15: confusion is.
Speaker 3: This individual is a citizen.
Speaker 15: About Sabagory, he was illegally in the United States and
Speaker 15: was returned to his country.
Speaker 3: That's where you deport people back to their country of origin.
Speaker 3: I keep up.
Speaker 4: Even the Secretary of State wig In wasn't enough for
Speaker 4: seeing it.
Speaker 13: Well, the President, you said that if the Supreme Court
Speaker 13: said someone needed to be returned, that you would abide
Speaker 13: by that.
Speaker 3: You said that on Air Force one just a few
Speaker 3: days ago, and.
Speaker 7: They said that it must keep facating.
Speaker 9: Why don't you just say, isn't it wonderful that we're
Speaker 9: keeping criminals out of our country?
Speaker 8: Why can you just say that?
Speaker 5: Why do you go over and over and that's why
Speaker 5: nobody watches you anymore?
Speaker 7: You know you have no credibility.
Speaker 4: Like I said, Nincompooprey weapon grade Nincompoofrey.
Speaker 3: Let's bring in Sky News.
Speaker 4: Contributor Kosher Gayta Kosher. Why do the American left CNN
Speaker 4: the Democrats keep pushing on this issue where Donald Trump
Speaker 4: enjoys overwhelming support the American people, and the polling shows
Speaker 4: this support the deportation program. They want these gang bangers
Speaker 4: in particular out of the country. We're talking about the
Speaker 4: worst of the worst here. We're not just talking about
Speaker 4: people in the country illegally. Someone who was found to
Speaker 4: be an MS thirteen gang member, and they won't let
Speaker 4: it go.
Speaker 10: It really is fascinating. It feels like it's a dysfunctional robot,
Speaker 10: like the way she's asking the same questions in the
Speaker 10: software update just didn't happen, and it's kind of no
Speaker 10: matter what who said it, and all the heavy hitters
Speaker 10: in the administration, one after the other, were coming and
Speaker 10: set same Going back to that same talking point, I
Speaker 10: think also, since they're so much losing in the big
Speaker 10: picture of this issue, it's actually fascinating how much public
Speaker 10: support has shifted in a relatively short period of time
Speaker 10: to deporting all illegals, not only the violent ones.
Speaker 7: And they still do this.
Speaker 10: So when they've lost the big picture, they like to
Speaker 10: go into minutia and they've had a couple of small
Speaker 10: wins along the way. In this particular case where one
Speaker 10: court said that he can be deported but not to
Speaker 10: El salvad Or even though that's his home country, because
Speaker 10: he claimed persecution.
Speaker 7: Or whatever it is.
Speaker 10: That's still working its way up the court, but in
Speaker 10: the interim they got a little bit of a win.
Speaker 10: And that's why I think CNN is just latching onto
Speaker 10: that one little detail and foregoing the big picture in
Speaker 10: the fact that they're really outside of where the American
Speaker 10: population is.
Speaker 3: But even on a micro level.
Speaker 4: With this particular case, you've got someone who's in the
Speaker 4: country illegally, they're from El Salvador, they're being deported to
Speaker 4: El Salvador, and somehow this is the one case that
Speaker 4: they want to highlight to show why this program is flawed.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely mad on El Salvador. President at buuela extraordinary leader,
Speaker 4: extraordinarily popular, and he has been just hugely effective in
Speaker 4: transforming El Salvador, particularly when it comes to the crime issue.
Speaker 10: It's such an amazing story and it really shows what
Speaker 10: can be done when you take an iron fist approach
Speaker 10: to crime, which was rampant in El Salvador. It was
Speaker 10: the homicide capital of the world just a few short
Speaker 10: years ago, the highest number of homicides per capita compared
Speaker 10: to anywhere else. And with his victory as the president
Speaker 10: in twenty nineteen, that's dropped ninety five percent ninety five percent,
Speaker 10: and that's why he won reelection resoundingly, because this matters
Speaker 10: to people that you can walk on the streets safely
Speaker 10: and not worry about that. And now he's also turned
Speaker 10: it into i think one of their largest exports where
Speaker 10: he's he's running the prisons all so well and it's
Speaker 10: this real hardcore prison that sends a message and it's
Speaker 10: a massive deterrent to criminals. Now people are sending their
Speaker 10: own criminals to him because they've become experts at reducing
Speaker 10: crime and punishing criminals.
Speaker 3: The stats are incredible.
Speaker 4: To go from one of the most dangerous places in
Speaker 4: the world to one of the safest. I think it's
Speaker 4: one of the safest in that region, or the safest.
Speaker 4: It's again huge achievement. We've talked about Harve Milay before.
Speaker 4: He's been called the Argentinian Trump. He's been again hugely
Speaker 4: impactful in Argentina. We've talked about El Salvador, and now
Speaker 4: Ecuador has returned again a center right leader. There seems
Speaker 4: to be a bit of a right wing resurgence in
Speaker 4: South America.
Speaker 3: Kashia for sure.
Speaker 10: I think, you know, we've seen sheds of it, of
Speaker 10: course in Europe, which we've discussed for related and in
Speaker 10: some cases different reasons. And then in Latin America it's
Speaker 10: the same thing. The economy and cost of living and
Speaker 10: all of that, but on top of that crime because
Speaker 10: some of those countries are very, very crime wridden, as
Speaker 10: we've just discussed, and so you run on those common
Speaker 10: sense platforms that we're going to take an ironfriest approach
Speaker 10: to criminality. We're going to prosecute and hold people accountable
Speaker 10: to the fullest extent of the law. We're going to
Speaker 10: have sensible logical economic policy, We're going to have a
Speaker 10: sensible foreign policy in terms of how we partner with
Speaker 10: the US, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: You're going to win, and he did.
Speaker 4: And there's also an alliance being formed between these countries
Speaker 4: and the US, and I think it's something Australia needs
Speaker 4: to take note of because we've just, i think taken
Speaker 4: for granted this very close relationship we've had with the US.
Speaker 4: And we know with Donald Trump, he hasn't taken kindly
Speaker 4: to some of the things our leaders have said about him.
Speaker 4: And there's other countries where they seem to be more
Speaker 4: on the same page value what was with the Trump
Speaker 4: administration Is that pose any sort of a threat to
Speaker 4: Australia's place with its closeness with America.
Speaker 10: I think alliance has changed. Just because they've been a
Speaker 10: certain way for one hundred years. It's hard to grapple
Speaker 10: get our arms around that, but they do change. And
Speaker 10: also as more and more of these countries are shifting
Speaker 10: to the rate in terms of the leaders that they're electing.
Speaker 10: It'll be very interesting to see what happens here, what
Speaker 10: happens in Canada, and if you get more of the
Speaker 10: left routining or staying in power. It just sounds like
Speaker 10: there's so much delay to that between how Trump used
Speaker 10: the world versus then. But Trump only has less than
Speaker 10: four years left, so we don't know what's going to
Speaker 10: happen beyond that.
Speaker 3: We don't.
Speaker 4: But the front runner at the moment, and yes it's
Speaker 4: early days, is JD.
Speaker 3: Vance and JD.
Speaker 4: Vans is Trump plus twenty percent is Trump, but even
Speaker 4: more staunch in this worldview. Now, let's engage in a
Speaker 4: bit of hyperbole. We love a bit of hyperbole on
Speaker 4: this program. And it doesn't get more crazy than this.
Speaker 4: This is just ridiculous carry on from some very rich,
Speaker 4: very famous ladies who have been lucky enough to go
Speaker 4: into space for a few minutes.
Speaker 17: But it one, two, three, Tamiras in space.
Speaker 4: The ladies there are singer Katie Perry, TV presenter Gail King,
Speaker 4: you know Oprah's bestI, civil rights activists Amanda Ewan, former
Speaker 4: rocket scientist Asha bo and filmmaker Kerrie Ane Flynn and
Speaker 4: soon to be wife of Jeff Bezos, Laurence Sanchez. They
Speaker 4: were all in Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin spacecraft.
Speaker 10: There.
Speaker 4: Let's hear from Katie.
Speaker 3: Perry and try not to lose your dinner listening to this.
Speaker 18: It is the highest high and it is surrender to
Speaker 18: the unknown. Trust, and this whole journey is not just
Speaker 18: about going to space. It's the training, it's the team,
Speaker 18: it's the whole thing. I could recommend this experience more.
Speaker 18: This is like up there with all the you know,
Speaker 18: different tools that I've learned in my life, from meditation
Speaker 18: to the Hoffmann process. This is up there because what
Speaker 18: you're doing is you find you're like really finding the
Speaker 18: love for yourself because you've got to trust in yourself
Speaker 18: on this journey. And then you're feeling the love when
Speaker 18: you come down for sure, and you're feeling that strength.
Speaker 18: So I feel really connected to that strong, divine feminine
Speaker 18: right now.
Speaker 3: I warned you it wasn't good.
Speaker 4: Laurence Sanchez was also reduced to tears by the experience.
Speaker 18: Six women just did the same flight that.
Speaker 15: Yeah he did.
Speaker 3: I just want to keep hugging you.
Speaker 17: It's really cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I hope I hope that more.
Speaker 18: People get to see this because I feel I don't
Speaker 18: even know how much it's going to change me.
Speaker 4: Kosha am I being too jaded here, but I can't
Speaker 4: find inspiration in this. You've got some very rich, famous
Speaker 4: women who were selected because they're rich and famous, not
Speaker 4: because they've got any understanding of science or space or
Speaker 4: any particular passion for it, And we're supposed.
Speaker 3: To be uplifted by this.
Speaker 4: I think this is just so completely unrelatable to the
Speaker 4: average person, for sure.
Speaker 10: I think the cynic in methinks that it was just
Speaker 10: a marketing strategy by Blue Origin, which is way far
Speaker 10: behind SpaceX and the commercial private space industry, and this
Speaker 10: is a way to get a lot of media and
Speaker 10: attention and hate putting famous people with perfect hair like
Speaker 10: up in space for two minutes in a zero gravity environment.
Speaker 10: They are melodramatic. I think back to Neil Armstrong and
Speaker 10: Buzz Aldrin and the types of interviews they would have
Speaker 10: given back in the sixties after they accomplished what they did,
Speaker 10: and it would be much more understated.
Speaker 3: The astronauts were.
Speaker 4: We just rescued by SpaceX after what eight nine months
Speaker 4: in space.
Speaker 3: When they were supposed to be there for.
Speaker 4: About a week, they had less carry on and then
Speaker 4: what we just saw there looks like that cured cancer.
Speaker 3: So much more gracious.
Speaker 10: And also I think it's a reflection of celebrity culture
Speaker 10: where it's so much naval gazing and narcissism, where it
Speaker 10: was about her and Katie Perry's meditation and her in
Speaker 10: her love and all that, as opposed to thanking the
Speaker 10: engineers at Blue Origin, that might be more appropriate.
Speaker 4: Exactly, a lot of unearned privilege on display there. Before
Speaker 4: you go, I'm interested on your take on the meeting
Speaker 4: President Trump had with Bill Maher, one of his biggest haters.
Speaker 3: He invited him for dinner.
Speaker 4: Let's see what happened and why Bill Maher is now
Speaker 4: being called a traitor by many on the left.
Speaker 11: Okay, as you know, twelve days ago, I had dinner
Speaker 11: with President Trump, a dinner that was set up by
Speaker 11: my friend Kid Rock because we share a belief that
Speaker 11: there's got to be something better than hurling insults from
Speaker 11: three thousand miles away. And I know as I say that,
Speaker 11: millions of liberal sphincters just tightened. Oh my god, Bill,
Speaker 11: are you going to say something nice about him. What
Speaker 11: I'm going to do is report exactly what happened. You
Speaker 11: decide what you think about it, and if that's not enough,
Speaker 11: pure Trump hate for you, I don't give a f
Speaker 11: Now does Trump want respect? Of course, who doesn't. My
Speaker 11: friend said to me, what are you going to wear
Speaker 11: to the White House? I said, I don't know, but
Speaker 11: I'm not going to dress like Zelensky. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 11: I've had so many conversations with prominent people who are
Speaker 11: much less connected, people who don't look you in the eye,
Speaker 11: people don't really listen because they just want to get
Speaker 11: to their next thing, people whose response to things you
Speaker 11: say just doesn't track, like what. None of that with him,
Speaker 11: and he mostly steered the conversation too. What do you
Speaker 11: think about this? I know your mind is blown, so's.
Speaker 3: Mine, Kasha. What do you think of that?
Speaker 10: This is a cultural milestone and the arc of Trump.
Speaker 10: He went from being a very popular person rap songs
Speaker 10: and movie cameos to cultural kryptonite Orange Man, Bad Hitler
Speaker 10: re Incarnate, and now to this. It really is such
Speaker 10: a roller coaster, full circle, I think for him, and
Speaker 10: it's a watershed moment in the culture.
Speaker 4: And we saw that with the UFC again on the
Speaker 4: on the weekend, where it wasn't just the USC fighters
Speaker 4: that were flocking to him, there was gridiron, plash, shack
Speaker 4: shack and O'Neil made a point of going and shaking
Speaker 4: his hands. So yeah, there is this shift happening. Koshergator,
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your time. Pleasure still to come.
Speaker 4: Colleen Harken on some of the twisted priorities of the
Speaker 4: Australian school curriculum don't go away, welcome back. Joining me
Speaker 4: now is Institute of Public Affairs Research Fellow and director
Speaker 4: of the IPA's Schools Program, Colleen Harken.
Speaker 3: Colleen, you wrote last week about.
Speaker 4: Australia's bloated mathematics curriculum. You say the fact that it
Speaker 4: is three and a half thousand pages long is not
Speaker 4: a sign of sophistication. It's a symptom of confusion, ideological ambition.
Speaker 3: And the reason.
Speaker 4: It's so is because it is cluttered with politically charged
Speaker 4: cross curriculum priorities such as sustainability in Aboriginal ant or
Speaker 4: a Strait Islander histories and culture. Now, compare that to
Speaker 4: Singapore's Matt's curriculum, it's only eighty pages long compared to
Speaker 4: three and a half thousand pages.
Speaker 3: Let's have a look at the image.
Speaker 4: It's there on the right, and on the left is
Speaker 4: our massive curriculum. And as you say, Singapore ranks number
Speaker 4: one in the OECDPS results and produces some of the
Speaker 4: world's best maths students.
Speaker 3: What does that tell us, Sam.
Speaker 4: We've got a model of what works, and yet we
Speaker 4: seem to be doing the opposite.
Speaker 7: Reader Thatt's photograph is a picture.
Speaker 19: Take it on my desk. And it took us days
Speaker 19: to collect that document. It's not something that you can
Speaker 19: actually just readily get. We've asked a car for it
Speaker 19: and they say it doesn't exist and why would.
Speaker 7: You want that?
Speaker 19: So it did take days to download all the content, descriptors,
Speaker 19: the elaborations, all of the rabbit one that is that
Speaker 19: becomes the maths curriculum. Wow, And as you just said,
Speaker 19: I mean Singapore's curriculum is entirely different.
Speaker 7: Is single sentences that tell something like.
Speaker 19: Number and in writing and new rules and writing numbers
Speaker 19: to ten million, for example.
Speaker 7: And that's it.
Speaker 19: There's no ideology, there's no politicization. It's just that is
Speaker 19: the task that the teacher has to.
Speaker 4: Surely maths should not have any sort of political ideology.
Speaker 4: Maths is something that is you've got right answer, you've
Speaker 4: got a wrong answer, it's not up for discussion.
Speaker 7: Yeah, correct.
Speaker 19: And there are extraordinary circumstances whereas teachers are expected to
Speaker 19: go off and study things like how aboriginals measured footprints,
Speaker 19: for example, and that's in maths. So the political activism
Speaker 19: within the curriculum is right, and that's how we end
Speaker 19: up with a document that is unwieldy and unusable. And
Speaker 19: the amount of extra work that it puts on teachers
Speaker 19: is extraordinary.
Speaker 4: And the amount of work that's gone into producing those
Speaker 4: three and a half thousand pages at our expense since
Speaker 4: and you wonder why the expenditure in this area keeps
Speaker 4: going up whilst results are stagnating or going backwards.
Speaker 19: It is a bureaucratic document written for bureaucraps to keep
Speaker 19: buroquts in jobs.
Speaker 7: It doesn't serve any real purpose in the real world
Speaker 7: of education. And you're right.
Speaker 19: I mean, the increase in budget is up now about
Speaker 19: seventy eight billion dollars a year in our education and
Speaker 19: our results have gone backwards year on year. Our students
Speaker 19: are now give or take sixteen months behind where they
Speaker 19: were twenty years ago. So the doubling of the budget
Speaker 19: is significant decline in our education system results.
Speaker 4: And when it comes to universities, we know that we've
Speaker 4: got a lot of junk degrees, a lot of kids
Speaker 4: being sold false hope, being saddled with student debts for
Speaker 4: degrees that really aren't going to get them jobs. And
Speaker 4: we've got the Greens now pushing for UNI fee subsidies
Speaker 4: to be increased. They basically want everything.
Speaker 3: To be free, very free. How's that going to work?
Speaker 4: And again, are we going to have people doing Universe
Speaker 4: city degrees that they shouldn't be doing university degrees because
Speaker 4: it's not in their interest to do so well.
Speaker 19: It seems to be the election of everything free. You know,
Speaker 19: have what you want, it's all free. But in terms
Speaker 19: of entry into university courses, there's a very significant concern
Speaker 19: in students who are entrying courses that they.
Speaker 7: Just are not capable of doing.
Speaker 19: And not only low is the standards for everyone else
Speaker 19: in the course, but it means that if they eventually
Speaker 19: get out into the workforce, they're not capable of doing
Speaker 19: the job. University of Tasmania has accepted a student on
Speaker 19: an HR score of thirty nine point five, which is
Speaker 19: the bottom four percent of student results into teaching to
Speaker 19: a teaching degree that's useful. So it's a double edged sword.
Speaker 19: If you make it free, you're only going to lower
Speaker 19: the standards and we're not encouraging students to consider the
Speaker 19: course it's actually right for them and the competencies that
Speaker 19: they have.
Speaker 4: Now we've had an update on the University of Queensland
Speaker 4: senior law lecturer who warned students first year students who
Speaker 4: protested her inclusion of indigital perspectives it wasn't much of
Speaker 4: a protest. They basically worked walked out of the lecture.
Speaker 4: She's told them she remembered their faces and they should
Speaker 4: watch out what you say and what you do if
Speaker 4: they ever wanted to work in the legal fraternity or
Speaker 4: if they wanted to get decent marks in her course.
Speaker 4: The university fact completely initially, but now the Vice Chancellor,
Speaker 4: Deborah Teria, says that the institution is taking appropriate action
Speaker 4: after considering the student comments in the story and looking
Speaker 4: further into the matter. The university acknowledges that if it
Speaker 4: had been aware of the full details. We would have
Speaker 4: taken steps to understand and address the concerns that have
Speaker 4: come to light and better support students and staff at
Speaker 4: the time, but we don't know what these appropriate measures
Speaker 4: she's taking look like. I mean, this is rife throughout universities.
Speaker 4: I hear so much from students that they have to
Speaker 4: self censor. They have to write rubbish, they have to
Speaker 4: regurgitate rubbish to get decent marks, because if they actually
Speaker 4: articulate their position, even if it's backed up by facts,
Speaker 4: the university lecturer, the academic will mark them down because
Speaker 4: it doesn't match their ideology.
Speaker 19: And they've sort of been they're playing the game in
Speaker 19: order to get the score, to get out the door.
Speaker 19: But it also means that it's compromising what they should
Speaker 19: be learning, you know, the skills that they should be
Speaker 19: gaining during that time. This situation is terrible. It sort
Speaker 19: of smacks of an entire lack of integrity because had
Speaker 19: they taken it seriously in the first place, they would
Speaker 19: have investigated and had a good look at it. And
Speaker 19: why are they indigenizing the curriculum in the first place,
Speaker 19: And so now a week later to be able to say, well,
Speaker 19: we're taking it seriously, well, what actually is happening, like,
Speaker 19: what is the consequence of it?
Speaker 4: Need some transparency, accountability, We need to know what is
Speaker 4: this appropriate action? Is the electra going to be counseled,
Speaker 4: they got a warning? Are they going to a vow
Speaker 4: not to do this again? Because to have first semester,
Speaker 4: first year students being told that you remember your faces
Speaker 4: and you're not going to get work, you're not going
Speaker 4: to get decent marks, watch your politics and watch what
Speaker 4: you say.
Speaker 3: That is not what university is supposed to be about.
Speaker 19: A comment that they're going to support students. I mean
Speaker 19: the support students needs is it needs access to an authentic,
Speaker 19: uninterrupted education that is not full of activist ideology.
Speaker 7: That's what they have a right. So that's the support
Speaker 7: that they're there.
Speaker 4: And that's probably what they're paying for. Colleen Harken, thank
Speaker 4: you for your time, and that's all the time I've
Speaker 4: got tonight.
Speaker 3: I'll see you at eleven tomorrow. Up next, it's Newsnight,