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Speaker 1: On scoring leaves Australia.

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Speaker 2: This is the Wider Panalty Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the REATA Patty Show.

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Speaker 4: Patrick Carlin will be here to discuss the day's top headlines.

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Speaker 3: The Great Douglas Murray.

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Speaker 4: Will be with me shortly and he's always in top form.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to miss that.

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Speaker 4: Kosher Gator will have the latest from the US, and

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Speaker 4: later in the hour, Colleen Harken on the twisted priorities

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Speaker 4: of the Australian school.

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Speaker 3: Curriculum and left is losing.

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Speaker 4: It is full of sin and silliness and lies like.

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Speaker 5: This sinan does not heed our country. That should go

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Speaker 5: without saying.

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Speaker 4: But first let's start with this car crash interview on

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Speaker 4: the ABC.

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Speaker 3: Here is till and Member for.

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Speaker 4: Kyong Monique Ryan floundering badly after being asked a rather

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Speaker 4: simple question. First she railed against the right wing media

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Speaker 4: and Australia having sources in the Liberal Party, God forbid,

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Speaker 4: and then she failed to answer a straightforward question about

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Speaker 4: transparency and integrity.

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Speaker 6: Much of what is put into the press, and the

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Speaker 6: right wing press in particular, has been fed to it.

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Speaker 6: But my political opponents.

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Speaker 2: Well, OK, we're talking about paying we're actually paying for content.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a problem with that?

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Speaker 3: Look, I think we're.

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Speaker 6: Paying to generate the content that we're putting in front

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Speaker 6: of the voters.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure there's a big issue there.

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Speaker 2: But should it be clear to voters people who are

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Speaker 2: looking at this content that it's paid for by the politician?

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Speaker 6: I don't really have an opinion on it, really.

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Speaker 3: Really, really, monique. This isn't hard.

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Speaker 4: It's not a got your question, It's not a nuanced

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Speaker 4: store something to ponder unless you're a Till, a hard

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Speaker 4: left till who pretended to be a conservative alternative. The

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Speaker 4: train Wreek interview continued. David Spears was trying not to

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Speaker 4: laugh out loud here.

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Speaker 2: I think, Well, you don't think voters deserve to know

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Speaker 2: that if someone they're watching is saying great things about

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Speaker 2: a politician, whether they're being paid by that politician.

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Speaker 6: I have to give it some thought. It's not something

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Speaker 6: I've given great thought to myself. Obviously, I haven't engaged

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Speaker 6: in anything like that muscle.

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Speaker 2: You'd have to give that some thought.

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Speaker 6: Well, Uh, I would think that it would be clear.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I think.

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Speaker 7: I'd have to give it some thought.

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Speaker 4: Done, Yes, let's think about that. Just incredible stuff from

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Speaker 4: doctor Minigue. There, David Spears tried again with this very

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Speaker 4: simple question. All she had to do was disavow something

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Speaker 4: that is clearly dodgy and dishonest. Remember, the tills are

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Speaker 4: meant to restore integrity.

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Speaker 2: So you might be all right with politicians paying for

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Speaker 2: content that voters have no idea money is changing hands.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think that's potentially happening, been happening for a

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Speaker 6: long time. If you look at the cartoons that Pauline

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Speaker 6: Hanson's been putting on the social media for years now,

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Speaker 6: which are very clearly politically biased cache, I'm not sure

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Speaker 6: that that is the case. Actually, I think it's an

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Speaker 6: interesting question. I think media diversity and the way that

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Speaker 6: our media works in this country is something which would

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Speaker 6: certainly merit greater examination and something that we could talk about.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll move on. Your husband, of course, famously apologized

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Speaker 2: for being caught on camera removing signs from your liberal

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Speaker 2: opponent Amelia Hamer.

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Speaker 3: One sign. It was one sign, just one sign, nothing

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Speaker 3: to see.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 4: She goes on some incoherent ran there about media diversity

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Speaker 4: in Pauline Hansen's cartoon series to try to deflect to

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Speaker 4: not answer a simple question about integrity and transparency. As

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Speaker 4: for that satirical cartoon series.

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Speaker 3: Please explain.

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Speaker 4: I think they now there, Monique Character.

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Speaker 3: Sure, so why are not Time Minister yet? Monique, You've

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Speaker 3: been in the public service for like two days?

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Speaker 7: It should be me.

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Speaker 8: I should be in India. Imagine me on my head

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Speaker 8: and where's my own point.

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Speaker 3: Of the Kurish coronation.

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Speaker 4: Joining me now for more on This is News Corps

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Speaker 4: senior writer Patrick Carline. Patrick, that was a mess. That

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Speaker 4: was not a good moment for Monique Ryan.

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Speaker 9: That was painful to watch, wasn't I I mean, how

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Speaker 9: many times can you dance around a very simple question

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Speaker 9: like that. She's there because supposedly transparency and integrity. He's

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Speaker 9: a gross example of something that was intransparent and wasn't

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Speaker 9: above board. Even the Greens have called out. Even the

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Speaker 9: Greens have called it out, as have the mainstream parties.

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Speaker 9: This was not a hard question and she really got

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Speaker 9: called out, didn't she. I mean, she just didn't know

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Speaker 9: what to say. It was painful to watch.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're supposed to be independents. They keep telling

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Speaker 4: us this is not this group who is a political party.

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Speaker 4: We know, Simon Holmes, the court devotes all sorts of

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Speaker 4: funding to them, but surely you can say, yes, she

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Speaker 4: may be a colleague, but I think she made a

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Speaker 4: mistake here, and it's not a decision I would make.

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Speaker 4: Sticking with the election campaign, economists have warned that the

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Speaker 4: campaign has turned into a dangerous spending competition between the

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Speaker 4: major parties, with both Labor and the Coalition bribing voters

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Speaker 4: with schemes worth billions of dollars. As they're otherwise lackluster

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Speaker 4: campaigns failed to gain traction, and patrick are growing fears

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Speaker 4: that competing election promises on housing in particular, are tinkering

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Speaker 4: while our creaking system lurches towards collapse.

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Speaker 3: That's a direct quote.

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Speaker 4: We can ill afford this sort of spendathon, can we

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Speaker 4: We've got inflationary pressures to consider and record debt.

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Speaker 9: That's right. Somebody worked out that if you added together

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Speaker 9: the cost of these proposals by Labor and the Coalition,

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Speaker 9: you're looking at twenty four billion dollars between them for

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Speaker 9: something that economists say is not going to work. These

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Speaker 9: measures are not going to make it easier for first

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Speaker 9: home buyers. It's just going to push up the price

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Speaker 9: of houses and these are bribes. Basically, we're looking at

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Speaker 9: a campaign at the moment that is very much aimed

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Speaker 9: at anyone under the age of thirty. You've got young

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Speaker 9: voters for the first time, and it has become this

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Speaker 9: spenderthon what are the best bribes we can bring for

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Speaker 9: young people to get them to vote for us. And

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Speaker 9: we're not being at all well served. I mean, the

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Speaker 9: big issues facing Australia are not being discussed, much less debated.

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Speaker 4: What's in this campaign for say, over fifty fives. You

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, and these aren't good policies. These aren't actually going

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Speaker 9: to fix the word. These are just bribes to actually

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Speaker 9: get young voters to vote for them. And look the

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Speaker 9: Teals are doing it. The Greens are going to make

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Speaker 9: everything free. From the sound of it, everything's free if

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Speaker 9: you're under the age of thirty. And we're not being

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Speaker 9: well served, and they're certainly very little for anyone who's older,

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Speaker 9: who has paid their way, who has paid their taxes.

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Speaker 9: They have been sort of forgotten in this whole campaign

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Speaker 4: Now let's switch to the Victorian Liberals. Who are very

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Speaker 4: slow learners. Indeed, the Herald signs reporting that multiple candidates

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Speaker 4: will be challenging more A Deemings number one position on

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Speaker 4: the Western Metropolitan Upper House ticket. When pre selection begins.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be happening shortly after the federal election.

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Speaker 4: There is a plot by Liberal operatives to end more

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Speaker 4: A Deming's political career with the Liberal Party. Patrick, she's

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Speaker 4: one of the most popular, one of the most effective

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Speaker 4: and recognizable Liberals in this state.

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Speaker 3: There aren't too many of them.

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Speaker 4: Why are they so desperate to unsee Look.

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Speaker 9: The Lids haven't had any sniff of power since twenty

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Speaker 9: fourteen at the main members of Victorian were subjected to

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Speaker 9: the worst government in my lifetime. Victorians just want to

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Speaker 9: boot out just Into Allen ahead of letters. We get

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Speaker 9: elected ahead of just Into Ellen tomorrow. But the Liberals

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Speaker 9: at the same time are too busy fighting themselves. They

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Speaker 9: haven't actually been a credible alternative for more than a decade,

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Speaker 9: and now this more redeeming business. It should have been

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Speaker 9: resolved in a day, maybe two days, but instead we

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Speaker 9: had a defamation case. We saw the opposition leader John

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Speaker 9: Pisudo knocked out as a consequence of that they're too

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Speaker 9: busy fighting themselves and we are actually being poorly served

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Speaker 9: by an opposition that is too busy fighting with itself.

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Speaker 4: And I have said all along, one of the reasons

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Speaker 4: we've had such a poor government in this state is

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Speaker 4: that we've got such a poor opposition.

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Speaker 3: They haven't held them to account. And here we are.

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Speaker 4: Now, finally, Patrick, we're talking about the Greens. Let's meet

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Speaker 4: one of theirs. Meet Avery Howard, the Greens candidate for Fowler.

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Speaker 3: Goes by. They then pronouns, of course, of course he does.

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Speaker 4: A self described queer, anti poverty advocate and retail worker,

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Speaker 4: Avery has signed up to an Australian Palestinian Advocacy Network

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Speaker 4: initiative and vow to support a complete and permanent cease

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Speaker 4: firing Gaza and all sorts of other anti Israeli policies,

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Speaker 4: and to Israel's blockade on Gaza, illegal occupation and apartheid,

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Speaker 4: targeted sanctions and arms in bargo against at Israel many

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Speaker 4: other things. I thought this was parody when I saw that.

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Speaker 4: I mean the level of ignorance to be advocating for

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Speaker 4: a regime that would literally kill you. You would not

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Speaker 4: go into Gaza looking like that. With her mass in charge.

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't even go into the West Bank looking like that.

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Speaker 9: That's off the chart. It's an affront to truth and

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Speaker 9: to decent see. It's totally wrong, and it's getting more

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Patrick Carlin, thank you for your time tonight. Joining

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Speaker 4: me now is best selling author Douglas Murray's latest book

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Speaker 4: on Democracies and Death Colts, Israel and the Future of

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Speaker 4: Civilization has just hit.

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Speaker 3: The shelves and guests.

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Speaker 4: Who was promoting this latest work none other than the

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Speaker 4: leader of the free world, President Donald Trump, wrote, my

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Speaker 4: friend Douglas Murray just released a new book on Democracies

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Speaker 4: and Death Colts, and it is quickly becoming a best seller.

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Speaker 4: Based on his first hand reporting, Douglas documents the barbarity

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Speaker 4: of her master's brutal attack on Israel on October seven

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Speaker 4: and Israel's heroic response. The book serves as a strong

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Speaker 4: reminder of why we must always stand up for America

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Speaker 4: and our great friend and ally Israel. A powerful read

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Speaker 4: and a highly respected author, Get your copy today.

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Speaker 3: Good Lord Douglas, that is some endorsement.

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Speaker 4: Did you have any ink the President was going to

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Speaker 4: do that?

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Speaker 8: I suppose I have to be careful what I say.

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Speaker 8: I gave him a copy last week.

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Speaker 4: Well, clearly he's read the book and loved it. We

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Speaker 4: know he doesn't sleep much, so he's read that very quickly. Douglas,

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Speaker 4: you're making news again, not just writing and commenting on

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Speaker 4: the headlines, but in the thick of it. Thanks to

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Speaker 4: a rather robust discussion you had on Joe Rogan's podcast.

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Speaker 4: It's been the talk of X and elsewhere for days.

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Speaker 4: There was a clash between yourself and Dave Smith, and

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Speaker 4: you even took on the man who has the biggest audience,

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Speaker 4: the biggest podcast audience in the world, Joe Rogan on

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Speaker 4: his own show.

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Speaker 1: I just feel who you get it out straight away.

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Speaker 1: I feel you've opened the door to quite a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who've now got a big platform, who have

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Speaker 1: been throwing out counterhistorical stuff of a very dangerous kind.

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Speaker 4: Douglas, You've had plenty of people praising your performance and

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Speaker 4: agreeing with you, but there has also been criticism from

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Speaker 4: those who say you are trying to silence debate and

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Speaker 8: Yes, it's John Oliver said you before.

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Speaker 1: It's so extraordinary, decease it really. John Oliver is being

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, we should move to Australia because we're somewhat of

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Speaker 4: Sort of clinging to those twenty twenty notions that you know,

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Speaker 8: I like the Australian, I like the Australian public and

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Speaker 3: Rita, well, I hope you're right. Douglas Murray, thank you

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Speaker 4: Thank you still to Karma Lefties losing it plus the

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Speaker 4: Rita Paney Show, and it's time for Lefty's losing it.

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Speaker 4: It's predictable. But I have more CNN nincompoopery. Yes that

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Speaker 5: Say, for the record, since we heard President Trump say

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Speaker 3: Oh really, Dana, let's go to the type.

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Speaker 4: I could play hours of footage of CNN hating on America.

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Speaker 1: We live in a racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic, anti Semitic country.

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Speaker 13: Everything they're doing runs against making America great. Well, it

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Speaker 14: Taking off the Independence Day weekend, President Trump will be

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Speaker 4: Now to what sparked this latest sin and outrage. Earlier today,

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Speaker 4: Caitlyn Collins was again advocating on behalf of a gang

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Speaker 4: Apparently that is a massive mistake that needs to be corrected.

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Speaker 8: Let's hear the question from this very low rated anchor.

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Speaker 13: I want to ask presidentially to help return the man

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Speaker 4: A MS thirteen gang banger in the country illegally. Apparently

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Speaker 4: it's a massive mistake to deport him.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 4: President Trump called on the Attorney General Pam Bondi to

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Speaker 4: respond to the question, and then Stephen Miller. Even Mark

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Speaker 4: Rebrivio chifed in Mike Drop after Mike Drop.

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Speaker 3: This was glorious.

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Speaker 15: First and foremost, he was illegally in our country. He

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Speaker 15: had been elie in our country. And in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 15: two courts, an immigration court and an appellate immigration court

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Speaker 15: ruled that he was a member of MS thirteen and

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Speaker 15: he was illegally in our country.

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Speaker 4: President Trump then called on Senior Advisa Steven Miller to whine,

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Speaker 4: given CNN is obsessed with this case, as you.

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Speaker 13: Know, it's asked by CNN, and they always ask it,

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Speaker 13: where the slant because they're totally slanting because they don't

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Speaker 13: know what's happening.

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Speaker 7: That's why nobody's watching them.

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Speaker 8: But would you answer that question?

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Speaker 13: Also, you seem gladly so, as Pam mentioned, there's the

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Speaker 13: illegal alien from El Salvador. So with respect to you,

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Speaker 13: he's a citizen.

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Speaker 1: Of El Salvador.

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Speaker 13: So it's very arrogant, even for American media to suggest

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Speaker 13: that we would even tell El Salvador how to handle

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Speaker 13: their own citizens as a starting point. As two immigration

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Speaker 13: courts found that he was a member of MS thirteen.

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Speaker 13: When President Trump declared MS thirteen to be a foreign

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Speaker 13: terrorist organization, that meant that he was no longer eligible

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Speaker 13: under federal law, which I'm sure you know you're very

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Speaker 13: familiar with the iron a, that he was no longer

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Speaker 13: eligible for any form of immigration or relief in the United States,

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Speaker 13: that neither Secretary of State nor the President could be

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Speaker 13: compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El

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Speaker 13: Salvador from El Salvador, who again is a member of

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Speaker 13: MS thirteen, which is I'm sure you understand, rapes, little girls, murderers, women,

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Speaker 13: murder's children, is engaged in the most barbaric activities in

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Speaker 13: the world. And I can promise you if he was

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Speaker 13: your neighbor, you wouldn't move right away, So you don't plan.

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Speaker 4: Yep, even after all of that, Caitlin wants to know

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Speaker 4: if Trump is going to ask the gang banger be

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Speaker 4: returned to America.

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Speaker 13: Well, no version of this legally ends up with him

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Speaker 13: ever living here, because he is a citizen of El Salvador,

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Speaker 13: that is the president of El Salvador. Your questions about it,

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Speaker 13: per the court can only be directed to him.

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Speaker 15: I asked.

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Speaker 3: President President Buke Wigan on this, do you plan to return?

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Speaker 16: Well, I suppose you guys suggested that I smuggle a

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Speaker 16: terrorists in today United States?

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Speaker 15: Right?

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Speaker 16: How can I How can I return him today? Uts like,

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Speaker 16: could I smuggle him into the United States or whether

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Speaker 16: I do? Of course I'm not going to do it.

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Speaker 16: It's like, let me. The questions were bosterous. How can

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Speaker 16: I smuggle the terrorists today? United States?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is preposterous.

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Speaker 4: President for Cala, No one would expect you to smuggle

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Speaker 4: a terrorist into the United States other than CNN of course.

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Speaker 7: Well, they'd love to have a criminal, you know, Reis Sedule.

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Speaker 16: I mean, I mean, there's just a fascin They would

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Speaker 16: love it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they have sick These are sick people.

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Speaker 9: Mark A.

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Speaker 8: Gibbs something to say.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, Stephen Island, I don't understand what the

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Speaker 15: confusion is.

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Speaker 3: This individual is a citizen.

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Speaker 15: About Sabagory, he was illegally in the United States and

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Speaker 15: was returned to his country.

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Speaker 3: That's where you deport people back to their country of origin.

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Speaker 3: I keep up.

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Speaker 4: Even the Secretary of State wig In wasn't enough for

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Speaker 4: seeing it.

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Speaker 13: Well, the President, you said that if the Supreme Court

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Speaker 13: said someone needed to be returned, that you would abide

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Speaker 13: by that.

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Speaker 3: You said that on Air Force one just a few

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Speaker 3: days ago, and.

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Speaker 7: They said that it must keep facating.

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Speaker 9: Why don't you just say, isn't it wonderful that we're

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Speaker 9: keeping criminals out of our country?

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Speaker 8: Why can you just say that?

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Speaker 5: Why do you go over and over and that's why

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Speaker 5: nobody watches you anymore?

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Speaker 7: You know you have no credibility.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, Nincompooprey weapon grade Nincompoofrey.

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Speaker 3: Let's bring in Sky News.

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Speaker 4: Contributor Kosher Gayta Kosher. Why do the American left CNN

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Speaker 4: the Democrats keep pushing on this issue where Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: enjoys overwhelming support the American people, and the polling shows

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Speaker 4: this support the deportation program. They want these gang bangers

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Speaker 4: in particular out of the country. We're talking about the

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Speaker 4: worst of the worst here. We're not just talking about

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Speaker 4: people in the country illegally. Someone who was found to

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Speaker 4: be an MS thirteen gang member, and they won't let

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Speaker 4: it go.

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Speaker 10: It really is fascinating. It feels like it's a dysfunctional robot,

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Speaker 10: like the way she's asking the same questions in the

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Speaker 10: software update just didn't happen, and it's kind of no

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Speaker 10: matter what who said it, and all the heavy hitters

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Speaker 10: in the administration, one after the other, were coming and

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Speaker 10: set same Going back to that same talking point, I

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Speaker 10: think also, since they're so much losing in the big

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Speaker 10: picture of this issue, it's actually fascinating how much public

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Speaker 10: support has shifted in a relatively short period of time

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Speaker 10: to deporting all illegals, not only the violent ones.

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Speaker 7: And they still do this.

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Speaker 10: So when they've lost the big picture, they like to

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Speaker 10: go into minutia and they've had a couple of small

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Speaker 10: wins along the way. In this particular case where one

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Speaker 10: court said that he can be deported but not to

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Speaker 10: El salvad Or even though that's his home country, because

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Speaker 10: he claimed persecution.

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Speaker 7: Or whatever it is.

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Speaker 10: That's still working its way up the court, but in

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Speaker 10: the interim they got a little bit of a win.

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Speaker 10: And that's why I think CNN is just latching onto

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Speaker 10: that one little detail and foregoing the big picture in

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Speaker 10: the fact that they're really outside of where the American

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Speaker 10: population is.

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Speaker 3: But even on a micro level.

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Speaker 4: With this particular case, you've got someone who's in the

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Speaker 4: country illegally, they're from El Salvador, they're being deported to

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Speaker 4: El Salvador, and somehow this is the one case that

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Speaker 4: they want to highlight to show why this program is flawed.

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Speaker 4: It's absolutely mad on El Salvador. President at buuela extraordinary leader,

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Speaker 4: extraordinarily popular, and he has been just hugely effective in

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Speaker 4: transforming El Salvador, particularly when it comes to the crime issue.

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Speaker 10: It's such an amazing story and it really shows what

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Speaker 10: can be done when you take an iron fist approach

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Speaker 10: to crime, which was rampant in El Salvador. It was

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Speaker 10: the homicide capital of the world just a few short

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Speaker 10: years ago, the highest number of homicides per capita compared

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Speaker 10: to anywhere else. And with his victory as the president

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Speaker 10: in twenty nineteen, that's dropped ninety five percent ninety five percent,

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Speaker 10: and that's why he won reelection resoundingly, because this matters

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Speaker 10: to people that you can walk on the streets safely

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Speaker 10: and not worry about that. And now he's also turned

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Speaker 10: it into i think one of their largest exports where

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Speaker 10: he's he's running the prisons all so well and it's

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Speaker 10: this real hardcore prison that sends a message and it's

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Speaker 10: a massive deterrent to criminals. Now people are sending their

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Speaker 10: own criminals to him because they've become experts at reducing

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Speaker 10: crime and punishing criminals.

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Speaker 3: The stats are incredible.

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Speaker 4: To go from one of the most dangerous places in

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Speaker 4: the world to one of the safest. I think it's

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Speaker 4: one of the safest in that region, or the safest.

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Speaker 4: It's again huge achievement. We've talked about Harve Milay before.

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Speaker 4: He's been called the Argentinian Trump. He's been again hugely

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Speaker 4: impactful in Argentina. We've talked about El Salvador, and now

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Speaker 4: Ecuador has returned again a center right leader. There seems

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Speaker 4: to be a bit of a right wing resurgence in

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Speaker 4: South America.

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Speaker 3: Kashia for sure.

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Speaker 10: I think, you know, we've seen sheds of it, of

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Speaker 10: course in Europe, which we've discussed for related and in

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Speaker 10: some cases different reasons. And then in Latin America it's

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Speaker 10: the same thing. The economy and cost of living and

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Speaker 10: all of that, but on top of that crime because

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Speaker 10: some of those countries are very, very crime wridden, as

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Speaker 10: we've just discussed, and so you run on those common

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Speaker 10: sense platforms that we're going to take an ironfriest approach

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Speaker 10: to criminality. We're going to prosecute and hold people accountable

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Speaker 10: to the fullest extent of the law. We're going to

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Speaker 10: have sensible logical economic policy, We're going to have a

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Speaker 10: sensible foreign policy in terms of how we partner with

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Speaker 10: the US, and so on and so forth.

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Speaker 3: You're going to win, and he did.

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Speaker 4: And there's also an alliance being formed between these countries

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Speaker 4: and the US, and I think it's something Australia needs

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Speaker 4: to take note of because we've just, i think taken

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Speaker 4: for granted this very close relationship we've had with the US.

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Speaker 4: And we know with Donald Trump, he hasn't taken kindly

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Speaker 4: to some of the things our leaders have said about him.

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Speaker 4: And there's other countries where they seem to be more

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Speaker 4: on the same page value what was with the Trump

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Speaker 4: administration Is that pose any sort of a threat to

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Speaker 4: Australia's place with its closeness with America.

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Speaker 10: I think alliance has changed. Just because they've been a

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Speaker 10: certain way for one hundred years. It's hard to grapple

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Speaker 10: get our arms around that, but they do change. And

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Speaker 10: also as more and more of these countries are shifting

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Speaker 10: to the rate in terms of the leaders that they're electing.

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Speaker 10: It'll be very interesting to see what happens here, what

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Speaker 10: happens in Canada, and if you get more of the

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Speaker 10: left routining or staying in power. It just sounds like

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Speaker 10: there's so much delay to that between how Trump used

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Speaker 10: the world versus then. But Trump only has less than

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Speaker 10: four years left, so we don't know what's going to

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Speaker 10: happen beyond that.

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Speaker 3: We don't.

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Speaker 4: But the front runner at the moment, and yes it's

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Speaker 4: early days, is JD.

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Speaker 3: Vance and JD.

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Speaker 4: Vans is Trump plus twenty percent is Trump, but even

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Speaker 4: more staunch in this worldview. Now, let's engage in a

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Speaker 4: bit of hyperbole. We love a bit of hyperbole on

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Speaker 4: this program. And it doesn't get more crazy than this.

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Speaker 4: This is just ridiculous carry on from some very rich,

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Speaker 4: very famous ladies who have been lucky enough to go

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Speaker 4: into space for a few minutes.

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Speaker 17: But it one, two, three, Tamiras in space.

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Speaker 4: The ladies there are singer Katie Perry, TV presenter Gail King,

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Speaker 4: you know Oprah's bestI, civil rights activists Amanda Ewan, former

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Speaker 4: rocket scientist Asha bo and filmmaker Kerrie Ane Flynn and

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Speaker 4: soon to be wife of Jeff Bezos, Laurence Sanchez. They

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Speaker 4: were all in Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin spacecraft.

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Speaker 10: There.

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Speaker 4: Let's hear from Katie.

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Speaker 3: Perry and try not to lose your dinner listening to this.

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Speaker 18: It is the highest high and it is surrender to

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Speaker 18: the unknown. Trust, and this whole journey is not just

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Speaker 18: about going to space. It's the training, it's the team,

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Speaker 18: it's the whole thing. I could recommend this experience more.

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Speaker 18: This is like up there with all the you know,

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Speaker 18: different tools that I've learned in my life, from meditation

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Speaker 18: to the Hoffmann process. This is up there because what

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Speaker 18: you're doing is you find you're like really finding the

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Speaker 18: love for yourself because you've got to trust in yourself

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Speaker 18: on this journey. And then you're feeling the love when

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Speaker 18: you come down for sure, and you're feeling that strength.

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Speaker 18: So I feel really connected to that strong, divine feminine

667
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Speaker 18: right now.

668
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Speaker 3: I warned you it wasn't good.

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Speaker 4: Laurence Sanchez was also reduced to tears by the experience.

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Speaker 18: Six women just did the same flight that.

671
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Speaker 15: Yeah he did.

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Speaker 3: I just want to keep hugging you.

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Speaker 17: It's really cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I hope I hope that more.

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Speaker 18: People get to see this because I feel I don't

676
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Speaker 18: even know how much it's going to change me.

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Speaker 4: Kosha am I being too jaded here, but I can't

678
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Speaker 4: find inspiration in this. You've got some very rich, famous

679
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Speaker 4: women who were selected because they're rich and famous, not

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Speaker 4: because they've got any understanding of science or space or

681
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: any particular passion for it, And we're supposed.

682
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Speaker 3: To be uplifted by this.

683
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Speaker 4: I think this is just so completely unrelatable to the

684
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Speaker 4: average person, for sure.

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Speaker 10: I think the cynic in methinks that it was just

686
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Speaker 10: a marketing strategy by Blue Origin, which is way far

687
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Speaker 10: behind SpaceX and the commercial private space industry, and this

688
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 10: is a way to get a lot of media and

689
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 10: attention and hate putting famous people with perfect hair like

690
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 10: up in space for two minutes in a zero gravity environment.

691
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Speaker 10: They are melodramatic. I think back to Neil Armstrong and

692
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Speaker 10: Buzz Aldrin and the types of interviews they would have

693
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Speaker 10: given back in the sixties after they accomplished what they did,

694
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Speaker 10: and it would be much more understated.

695
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Speaker 3: The astronauts were.

696
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Speaker 4: We just rescued by SpaceX after what eight nine months

697
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Speaker 4: in space.

698
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 3: When they were supposed to be there for.

699
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Speaker 4: About a week, they had less carry on and then

700
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Speaker 4: what we just saw there looks like that cured cancer.

701
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Speaker 3: So much more gracious.

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Speaker 10: And also I think it's a reflection of celebrity culture

703
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Speaker 10: where it's so much naval gazing and narcissism, where it

704
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 10: was about her and Katie Perry's meditation and her in

705
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Speaker 10: her love and all that, as opposed to thanking the

706
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Speaker 10: engineers at Blue Origin, that might be more appropriate.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, a lot of unearned privilege on display there. Before

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Speaker 4: you go, I'm interested on your take on the meeting

709
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Speaker 4: President Trump had with Bill Maher, one of his biggest haters.

710
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Speaker 3: He invited him for dinner.

711
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: Let's see what happened and why Bill Maher is now

712
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Speaker 4: being called a traitor by many on the left.

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Speaker 11: Okay, as you know, twelve days ago, I had dinner

714
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Speaker 11: with President Trump, a dinner that was set up by

715
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Speaker 11: my friend Kid Rock because we share a belief that

716
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 11: there's got to be something better than hurling insults from

717
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Speaker 11: three thousand miles away. And I know as I say that,

718
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 11: millions of liberal sphincters just tightened. Oh my god, Bill,

719
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Speaker 11: are you going to say something nice about him. What

720
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Speaker 11: I'm going to do is report exactly what happened. You

721
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Speaker 11: decide what you think about it, and if that's not enough,

722
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Speaker 11: pure Trump hate for you, I don't give a f

723
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Speaker 11: Now does Trump want respect? Of course, who doesn't. My

724
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 11: friend said to me, what are you going to wear

725
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 11: to the White House? I said, I don't know, but

726
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Speaker 11: I'm not going to dress like Zelensky. I'll tell you that.

727
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Speaker 11: I've had so many conversations with prominent people who are

728
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 11: much less connected, people who don't look you in the eye,

729
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 11: people don't really listen because they just want to get

730
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Speaker 11: to their next thing, people whose response to things you

731
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Speaker 11: say just doesn't track, like what. None of that with him,

732
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Speaker 11: and he mostly steered the conversation too. What do you

733
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Speaker 11: think about this? I know your mind is blown, so's.

734
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Speaker 3: Mine, Kasha. What do you think of that?

735
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Speaker 10: This is a cultural milestone and the arc of Trump.

736
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 10: He went from being a very popular person rap songs

737
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 10: and movie cameos to cultural kryptonite Orange Man, Bad Hitler

738
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Speaker 10: re Incarnate, and now to this. It really is such

739
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 10: a roller coaster, full circle, I think for him, and

740
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Speaker 10: it's a watershed moment in the culture.

741
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Speaker 4: And we saw that with the UFC again on the

742
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Speaker 4: on the weekend, where it wasn't just the USC fighters

743
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: that were flocking to him, there was gridiron, plash, shack

744
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: shack and O'Neil made a point of going and shaking

745
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Speaker 4: his hands. So yeah, there is this shift happening. Koshergator,

746
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your time. Pleasure still to come.

747
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Speaker 4: Colleen Harken on some of the twisted priorities of the

748
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Speaker 4: Australian school curriculum don't go away, welcome back. Joining me

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Speaker 4: now is Institute of Public Affairs Research Fellow and director

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Speaker 4: of the IPA's Schools Program, Colleen Harken.

751
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Speaker 3: Colleen, you wrote last week about.

752
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Speaker 4: Australia's bloated mathematics curriculum. You say the fact that it

753
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Speaker 4: is three and a half thousand pages long is not

754
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Speaker 4: a sign of sophistication. It's a symptom of confusion, ideological ambition.

755
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Speaker 3: And the reason.

756
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Speaker 4: It's so is because it is cluttered with politically charged

757
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Speaker 4: cross curriculum priorities such as sustainability in Aboriginal ant or

758
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Speaker 4: a Strait Islander histories and culture. Now, compare that to

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Speaker 4: Singapore's Matt's curriculum, it's only eighty pages long compared to

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Speaker 4: three and a half thousand pages.

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Speaker 3: Let's have a look at the image.

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Speaker 4: It's there on the right, and on the left is

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Speaker 4: our massive curriculum. And as you say, Singapore ranks number

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Speaker 4: one in the OECDPS results and produces some of the

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Speaker 4: world's best maths students.

766
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Speaker 3: What does that tell us, Sam.

767
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Speaker 4: We've got a model of what works, and yet we

768
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Speaker 4: seem to be doing the opposite.

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Speaker 7: Reader Thatt's photograph is a picture.

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Speaker 19: Take it on my desk. And it took us days

771
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Speaker 19: to collect that document. It's not something that you can

772
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Speaker 19: actually just readily get. We've asked a car for it

773
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Speaker 19: and they say it doesn't exist and why would.

774
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Speaker 7: You want that?

775
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Speaker 19: So it did take days to download all the content, descriptors,

776
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Speaker 19: the elaborations, all of the rabbit one that is that

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Speaker 19: becomes the maths curriculum. Wow, And as you just said,

778
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Speaker 19: I mean Singapore's curriculum is entirely different.

779
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Speaker 7: Is single sentences that tell something like.

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Speaker 19: Number and in writing and new rules and writing numbers

781
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Speaker 19: to ten million, for example.

782
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Speaker 7: And that's it.

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Speaker 19: There's no ideology, there's no politicization. It's just that is

784
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Speaker 19: the task that the teacher has to.

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Speaker 4: Surely maths should not have any sort of political ideology.

786
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Speaker 4: Maths is something that is you've got right answer, you've

787
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Speaker 4: got a wrong answer, it's not up for discussion.

788
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Speaker 7: Yeah, correct.

789
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Speaker 19: And there are extraordinary circumstances whereas teachers are expected to

790
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Speaker 19: go off and study things like how aboriginals measured footprints,

791
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Speaker 19: for example, and that's in maths. So the political activism

792
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Speaker 19: within the curriculum is right, and that's how we end

793
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Speaker 19: up with a document that is unwieldy and unusable. And

794
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Speaker 19: the amount of extra work that it puts on teachers

795
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Speaker 19: is extraordinary.

796
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Speaker 4: And the amount of work that's gone into producing those

797
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Speaker 4: three and a half thousand pages at our expense since

798
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Speaker 4: and you wonder why the expenditure in this area keeps

799
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Speaker 4: going up whilst results are stagnating or going backwards.

800
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Speaker 19: It is a bureaucratic document written for bureaucraps to keep

801
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Speaker 19: buroquts in jobs.

802
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Speaker 7: It doesn't serve any real purpose in the real world

803
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Speaker 7: of education. And you're right.

804
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Speaker 19: I mean, the increase in budget is up now about

805
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 19: seventy eight billion dollars a year in our education and

806
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 19: our results have gone backwards year on year. Our students

807
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 19: are now give or take sixteen months behind where they

808
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 19: were twenty years ago. So the doubling of the budget

809
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 19: is significant decline in our education system results.

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Speaker 4: And when it comes to universities, we know that we've

811
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 4: got a lot of junk degrees, a lot of kids

812
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 4: being sold false hope, being saddled with student debts for

813
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 4: degrees that really aren't going to get them jobs. And

814
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Speaker 4: we've got the Greens now pushing for UNI fee subsidies

815
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 4: to be increased. They basically want everything.

816
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Speaker 3: To be free, very free. How's that going to work?

817
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: And again, are we going to have people doing Universe

818
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: city degrees that they shouldn't be doing university degrees because

819
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Speaker 4: it's not in their interest to do so well.

820
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Speaker 19: It seems to be the election of everything free. You know,

821
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Speaker 19: have what you want, it's all free. But in terms

822
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Speaker 19: of entry into university courses, there's a very significant concern

823
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Speaker 19: in students who are entrying courses that they.

824
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Speaker 7: Just are not capable of doing.

825
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Speaker 19: And not only low is the standards for everyone else

826
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Speaker 19: in the course, but it means that if they eventually

827
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Speaker 19: get out into the workforce, they're not capable of doing

828
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Speaker 19: the job. University of Tasmania has accepted a student on

829
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Speaker 19: an HR score of thirty nine point five, which is

830
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Speaker 19: the bottom four percent of student results into teaching to

831
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Speaker 19: a teaching degree that's useful. So it's a double edged sword.

832
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Speaker 19: If you make it free, you're only going to lower

833
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 19: the standards and we're not encouraging students to consider the

834
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Speaker 19: course it's actually right for them and the competencies that

835
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Speaker 19: they have.

836
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Speaker 4: Now we've had an update on the University of Queensland

837
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Speaker 4: senior law lecturer who warned students first year students who

838
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Speaker 4: protested her inclusion of indigital perspectives it wasn't much of

839
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Speaker 4: a protest. They basically worked walked out of the lecture.

840
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Speaker 4: She's told them she remembered their faces and they should

841
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Speaker 4: watch out what you say and what you do if

842
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 4: they ever wanted to work in the legal fraternity or

843
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: if they wanted to get decent marks in her course.

844
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Speaker 4: The university fact completely initially, but now the Vice Chancellor,

845
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Speaker 4: Deborah Teria, says that the institution is taking appropriate action

846
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 4: after considering the student comments in the story and looking

847
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Speaker 4: further into the matter. The university acknowledges that if it

848
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 4: had been aware of the full details. We would have

849
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Speaker 4: taken steps to understand and address the concerns that have

850
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Speaker 4: come to light and better support students and staff at

851
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Speaker 4: the time, but we don't know what these appropriate measures

852
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 4: she's taking look like. I mean, this is rife throughout universities.

853
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 4: I hear so much from students that they have to

854
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 4: self censor. They have to write rubbish, they have to

855
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 4: regurgitate rubbish to get decent marks, because if they actually

856
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 4: articulate their position, even if it's backed up by facts,

857
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: the university lecturer, the academic will mark them down because

858
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Speaker 4: it doesn't match their ideology.

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Speaker 19: And they've sort of been they're playing the game in

860
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Speaker 19: order to get the score, to get out the door.

861
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Speaker 19: But it also means that it's compromising what they should

862
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 19: be learning, you know, the skills that they should be

863
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Speaker 19: gaining during that time. This situation is terrible. It sort

864
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Speaker 19: of smacks of an entire lack of integrity because had

865
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Speaker 19: they taken it seriously in the first place, they would

866
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Speaker 19: have investigated and had a good look at it. And

867
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Speaker 19: why are they indigenizing the curriculum in the first place,

868
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Speaker 19: And so now a week later to be able to say, well,

869
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Speaker 19: we're taking it seriously, well, what actually is happening, like,

870
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Speaker 19: what is the consequence of it?

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Speaker 4: Need some transparency, accountability, We need to know what is

872
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 4: this appropriate action? Is the electra going to be counseled,

873
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 4: they got a warning? Are they going to a vow

874
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Speaker 4: not to do this again? Because to have first semester,

875
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 4: first year students being told that you remember your faces

876
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Speaker 4: and you're not going to get work, you're not going

877
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: to get decent marks, watch your politics and watch what

878
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Speaker 4: you say.

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Speaker 3: That is not what university is supposed to be about.

880
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Speaker 19: A comment that they're going to support students. I mean

881
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Speaker 19: the support students needs is it needs access to an authentic,

882
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 19: uninterrupted education that is not full of activist ideology.

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Speaker 7: That's what they have a right. So that's the support

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Speaker 7: that they're there.

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Speaker 4: And that's probably what they're paying for. Colleen Harken, thank

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Speaker 4: you for your time, and that's all the time I've

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Speaker 4: got tonight.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you at eleven tomorrow. Up next, it's Newsnight,